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  • [00:20:48] <nndhawan> quick question: for angstrom, is there way to download packages to your host machine and install it to the sd card?
  • [00:21:07] <nndhawan> that would be a lot easier than having to use bitbake or even opkg install
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  • [00:46:24] <ds2> yes, opkg install can install from SD
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  • [02:43:20] <beagle2> m goal in the next two hours:
  • [02:43:32] <beagle2> get opencv WORKING on my bagle
  • [02:43:39] <beagle2> or at least my Ubuntu machine...
  • [02:43:46] <beagle2> 'think i can doit? anyone, anyone?
  • [02:46:43] <beagle2> 'quie night...
  • [02:46:47] <beagle2> quiet*
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  • [03:22:37] <nndhawan> do you gusy know a way to get gedit on to Angstrom without internet connection or bitbake?
  • [03:22:56] <nndhawan> Is there a package that I can unpack in my fs?
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  • [03:26:41] <vadmium> nndhawan: can you attempt to download it with opkg or whatever Angstrom uses, and then look at the url that fails and manually download it your own way?
  • [03:27:23] <vadmium> i'm just guessing cos I haven't used angstrom, but I've done this on other computers
  • [03:27:38] <nndhawan> ummm I guess I could
  • [03:27:46] <nndhawan> probably not a bad idea
  • [03:27:52] <nndhawan> just saw the gedit address
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  • [03:29:54] <nndhawan> i just downloaded gedit
  • [03:30:04] <nndhawan> will it know how to install itself?
  • [03:30:13] <nndhawan> or does opkg do local installs too?
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  • [03:42:42] <vadmium> nndhawan: i'd assume it would do local installs
  • [03:44:02] <vadmium> have a look in the help, I have ipkg here which says you can use "ipkg install <file.ipk>"
  • [03:46:24] <djerome> ngstrom
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  • [05:09:06] <NotTooDumb3> av500, Hi..I want to write a simple driver for omapfb, if that needs single driver(as i want it to be very simple) for whole of dss with minimal functions, I do not know how and where to start..any help for me?
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  • [05:40:52] <Russ> NotTooDumb3, you confuse me so much...
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  • [05:43:11] <NotTooDumb3> Russ, i am not doing that wantedly..I do not know how to impletement fb driver on dss and beagle..
  • [05:43:32] <Russ> its already implemented already
  • [05:43:41] <Russ> you don't need to write your own driver
  • [05:44:09] <NotTooDumb3> it is implemented, but i am asked to write one simple one myself so that i can learn fb better..
  • [05:44:44] <Russ> ...so that you can write some other fb driver?
  • [05:44:49] <Russ> then just write the other fb driver
  • [05:45:28] <Russ> the omap3 is a complex beast, if you want to write your own driver, start by reading the TRMs
  • [05:45:33] <Russ> you have read the TRMs, right?
  • [05:45:59] <NotTooDumb3> you mean all other fbs will be simpler than that of omapfb..I have to do omapfb only..
  • [05:46:10] <NotTooDumb3> yes i have TRMs..
  • [05:46:16] <Russ> who wants to you rewrite a driver that already exists?
  • [05:46:31] <NotTooDumb3> i am just thinking if implementing dispc and venc will allow me to get tv out
  • [05:46:36] <Russ> because if you want to learn to write a linux fb driver, teh omap is not a good choice
  • [05:47:28] <NotTooDumb3> i tried one for dm6446, now i am asked to do on omap..
  • [05:47:47] <Russ> if your goal is to learn to write an fb driver, you'll waste 95% of your time instead learning omap hardware
  • [05:48:00] <NotTooDumb3> i am just thinking if implementing dispc and venc will allow me to get tv out..is this thinking and understanding completely wrong?
  • [05:48:04] <Russ> 5% is the linux interfaces, 95% is understanding the omap hardware and reading TRMs over and over
  • [05:48:30] <Russ> why are you so intent on wasting so much of your time?
  • [05:49:05] <ds2> it is more exciting that way
  • [05:49:21] <Russ> I know, I need to know how to program FPGAs for my research
  • [05:49:28] <NotTooDumb3> I do not want to..but i can not do anything when my supervisor tells me that he wants a simple omapfb driver from me..
  • [05:49:43] <Russ> to learn, I'm not creating an FPGA that can do facial recognition and interface with all kinds of specialized chips
  • [05:50:03] <Russ> I'm just doing my damned research, because my research has nothing to do with facial recognition
  • [05:50:08] <ds2> there are too many fb drivers for the omap's already
  • [05:50:21] <Russ> NotTooDumb3, just tell him you'll learn as you go
  • [05:50:30] <NotTooDumb3> ds2, i am not doing for excitement...i do not what reason i can tell my boss when he says i can write a bare minimal omapfb to see a window on tv
  • [05:50:43] <Russ> there are plenty of books, documents, examples, etc, to go off of while programming linux kernel stull
  • [05:50:45] <Russ> er, stuff
  • [05:51:05] <Russ> NotTooDumb3, that isn't really the point of linux...just plug the damn thing in and get a window on a tv
  • [05:51:08] <Russ> thats what I did
  • [05:51:21] <NotTooDumb3> ds2, btw you suggested me that i can test omapfb inplace of omap2fb right? sadly i did not succeed in that too..i was getting some errors..
  • [05:51:25] <Russ> what the hell charge code does he expect you to bill to?
  • [05:51:31] <aholler> Russ: he needed 4weeks for that
  • [05:51:47] <ds2> there are more then that around
  • [05:52:03] <ds2> tell him he is a damn imbicle and walk away.
  • [05:52:22] <ds2> there is nothing more to be said.
  • [05:52:24] <Russ> so easy to say on IRC, so much more difficult to your own boss...
  • [05:52:32] <Russ> the charge code thing is a much easier way to go
  • [05:52:49] <ds2> done that before :P
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  • [05:54:57] <ds2> when people make dumb requests, they need to be told. w/o feedback people won't know they make dumb requests
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  • [05:57:19] <Russ> NotTooDumb3 may work in a country where you cannot disagree with your boss because they are your senior
  • [05:57:41] <ds2> that needs to change.
  • [05:57:48] <ds2> truth > *
  • [05:58:40] <Russ> I know, but some countries, like south korea, seniority is boss
  • [05:58:57] <ds2> goes back to it needs to change.
  • [05:59:18] <ds2> seniority is meaningless unless it is justified with facts.
  • [05:59:45] <aholler> what happens if the senior says the world is flat?
  • [05:59:49] <Russ> given his user name, I think he works for vayavya labs, which is in India. I don't know much about India's corporate culture
  • [06:00:33] <Russ> aholler, it gets communicated with very subtle body language.
  • [06:04:27] <Russ> aholler, "Therefore saying `YES` in a negative answer means `I heard you but not necessarily agree with you`. They never tell you `NO` or would disagree with you for that matter."
  • [06:04:38] <Russ> and "Non-verbality is also one of the important traits of their communication while western communication is more word-based."
  • [06:06:13] <aholler> and that makes the world flat?
  • [06:06:43] <Russ> no, but it makes the response, 'YES'
  • [06:07:01] <_av500_> NO!
  • [06:07:12] <_av500_> watch my body language :)
  • [06:07:13] <Russ> hey, that's conflict, we can't have that!
  • [06:07:51] <_av500_> grrrrr
  • [06:08:20] <Russ> I had the hardest time in college interacting with some eastern students because I always assumed that 'YES' meant both "I understand" and "I agree"
  • [06:08:20] * _av500_ throws chairs around the room
  • [06:08:55] <aholler> and currently we have the hard time
  • [06:08:56] * dm8tbr starts chanting: developers! developers!
  • [06:09:17] * _av500_ throws developers around the room
  • [06:09:23] <Russ> oi, I have a co-worker who actually threw a chair once
  • [06:09:24] <ds2> it doesn't get better outside of school
  • [06:09:37] <Russ> I think it had to do with configuration management or bug tracking
  • [06:10:01] <ds2> and the answer is either that means "I understand and concur" or they will not be working on what I am working on. anyone that does not know how to say no and/or debate will not be worked with
  • [06:10:14] <ds2> they are less then useless
  • [06:10:46] <Russ> it just takes a while getting used to and reading the body language instead of the words
  • [06:11:17] <Russ> they must think westerners are the rudest, meanest, and most arrogant people they have ever met
  • [06:11:23] <ds2> that don't work when the team is scattered across the globe
  • [06:11:28] <aholler> Russ: how you do that over phone, per mail or similiar?
  • [06:11:39] <Russ> not a friggin clue, I think you are then screwed
  • [06:12:02] <dm8tbr> asking questions that don't require a no for a negative answer?
  • [06:12:26] <aholler> stop asking
  • [06:12:56] <ds2> if someone cannot say now, it either means they are the wrong person or it can be automated out of the way :D
  • [06:13:03] <ds2> s/now/no/
  • [06:13:17] <Russ> I still feel bad looking back at how some teams interacted in college
  • [06:13:22] <aholler> simple elisa: yes
  • [06:14:10] <NotTooDumb3> hey all..what is the discussion going on about? communication among team members?
  • [06:14:30] <Russ> inter-culture norms and communication
  • [06:14:32] <aholler> hopeless ;)
  • [06:14:56] <Russ> NotTooDumb3, you should really suggest a different activity to your boss as a better use of your time
  • [06:15:28] <NotTooDumb3> Russ, "may work in a country where you cannot disagree with your boss because they are your senior" yes and no for this..I need to convince senior very strong to make them believe that work given is really tough
  • [06:15:36] <ds2> getting back OT, the drivers you see in the tree are just 2 of the better known video drivers
  • [06:15:45] <ds2> there are @%@$#@!$@#$#@$#@$#@@ more then those 2
  • [06:16:04] <NotTooDumb3> back OT? OT for??
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  • [06:17:17] <NotTooDumb3> Russ, I have to be on fb..that's for sure.and there are not many boards with video facility available..only beagle we found amongst what's availabe here..
  • [06:17:44] <NotTooDumb3> ds2, you mean omapfb drivers themselves there are tooo many? or fbs generally??
  • [06:17:56] <Russ> right, but what do you actually have to get done to deliver for a customer right now?
  • [06:18:17] <aholler> try reading a book
  • [06:18:45] <Russ> there really isn't that much on the linux side of an fb driver
  • [06:18:59] <Russ> modesetting is about the bulk of it, and even that isn't very complex
  • [06:19:16] <Russ> its the hardware you interface with that is complex and different for every driver
  • [06:19:21] <ds2> NotTooDumb3: omap framebuffer drivers
  • [06:20:18] <NotTooDumb3> ds2, where can i find the simplest omap fb driver for omap3 so that i can get an idea rather than this fully developed dss? any idea??
  • [06:20:57] <Russ> NotTooDumb3, again, looking at those drivers would give you a feel for omap hardware, not linux fb
  • [06:21:09] <ds2> there is no "simpliest"
  • [06:21:32] <Russ> just look at drivers/video/skeletonfb.c
  • [06:21:33] <NotTooDumb3> Russ, if i have to learn omap hardware, I will and i have to...
  • [06:21:57] <Russ> do you need to learn omap hardware or linux fb?
  • [06:22:07] <ds2> if you want linuxfb, look at the vesafb or the virtual fb drivers
  • [06:22:43] <Russ> its like saying, I need to learn to build a digital clock, VCRs have clocks, I'll build a VCR
  • [06:22:48] <NotTooDumb3> i want to make a fb to work on omap hardware..i have an idea about fb..
  • [06:23:06] <Russ> and "what's the simpliest VCR with a clock I can build?"
  • [06:23:10] <aholler> I have a dream
  • [06:23:45] <ds2> :D
  • [06:23:50] <Russ> NotTooDumb3, if you already understand linux kernel programming, then working with fb drivers when it comes to it will be straightforward
  • [06:24:41] <Russ> NotTooDumb3, have you not seen the thousands of pages of TRM that correspond with the omap?
  • [06:25:03] <NotTooDumb3> I understand linux kernel programming to some extent...fb on omap hardware does not appear straight forward as dss has many blocks..
  • [06:25:22] <Russ> vs the 1000 line skeletonfb.c driver that explains everything you need to know about linux fb
  • [06:25:36] <NotTooDumb3> Russ, i have..i got scared with full trm so downloaded again only dss trm..:)
  • [06:26:11] <Russ> that should tell you something, and be sure to know, no TRM stands by itself
  • [06:26:47] <Russ> drivers/video/omap2 has 17408 lines of kernel code, is that really a "starter project"?
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  • [06:27:31] <Russ> for comparison, the strongarm fb driver has 943 lines of code
  • [06:27:32] <NotTooDumb3> 17K is a starter project?
  • [06:27:47] <Russ> apparently to you it is
  • [06:28:29] <ds2> sure it is. :D
  • [06:28:33] <NotTooDumb3> Russ, please don't make fun of me..! I am not even sleeping thinking how i can do omapfb on bb..
  • [06:28:46] <ds2> compared to some other flavors...
  • [06:29:17] <NotTooDumb3> ds2, but it supports all the functionalities..I do not want 99% of them..I just want to display plain windows on tv..
  • [06:29:29] <NotTooDumb3> other flavors meaning?
  • [06:29:45] <NotTooDumb3> Russ, what is that stronarm fb? it's not there in my source code
  • [06:29:53] <Russ> drivers/video/sa1100fb.c
  • [06:30:06] <Russ> sa1100, a simpler time...
  • [06:30:22] <NotTooDumb3> does that run on bb and omap by any chance?
  • [06:30:43] <Russ> no, but it will run on a LART, or maybe tuxscreen
  • [06:31:19] <NotTooDumb3> I do not have those boards available
  • [06:31:58] <Russ> I'm still confused, you really want to write an omapfb driver, which is probably 99% an exercise in learning omap internals
  • [06:32:18] <Russ> how many times have you read the dss TRM?
  • [06:32:22] <ds2> go write the driver for the OSK ;)
  • [06:33:06] <NotTooDumb3> Russ, i will learn omap internals...
  • [06:33:14] <Russ> how many times have you examined the bb schematic?
  • [06:33:33] <NotTooDumb3> Russ, registers i went through few times and other part of dss once or few parts twice
  • [06:33:51] <NotTooDumb3> ds2, osk meaning?
  • [06:33:51] <Russ> then where is your confusion? You should have all the information you need
  • [06:35:07] <NotTooDumb3> Russ, ok my very first confusion is dss itself is taken as a platform driver and omapfb as another platform driver...do i need two platform drivers to write beginner omapfb to display windows?
  • [06:35:31] <Russ> then your confusion lies in linux device drivers
  • [06:35:41] <Russ> do you have any references on linux device drivers?
  • [06:36:01] <NotTooDumb3> yes i have o'Reilly book with me
  • [06:36:02] <Russ> have you read Documentation/driver-model/? specifically platform.txt?
  • [06:36:21] <NotTooDumb3> no..i have not..
  • [06:38:16] <NotTooDumb3> Russ, i know those probe concepts of platform driver..
  • [06:38:32] <Russ> Then who cares what the current omapfb drivers do
  • [06:38:38] <Russ> just write what you need
  • [06:39:09] <Russ> there is no absolutely correct driver model for any given application
  • [06:39:11] <NotTooDumb3> i think that is where i am getting scared..! looking at very huge fully developed dss source code..
  • [06:39:33] <Russ> because omaps are complex and varied beasts
  • [06:40:06] <NotTooDumb3> yes you have been warning me about the omap's complexity...
  • [06:40:31] <NotTooDumb3> what actually is making omap so complex?
  • [06:40:50] <Russ> the vast amount of features
  • [06:41:11] <NotTooDumb3> i do not want to implement 99% of them..
  • [06:41:24] <Russ> right, but you need to tell the device what you want it to do
  • [06:41:45] <Russ> for an unconfigured omap, most of the pins aren't even connected to anything internally
  • [06:42:09] <NotTooDumb3> configuring omap? how is that done??
  • [06:42:39] <Russ> well, see, there is this thing called the TRM see...
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  • [06:43:08] <ds2> then there is the clocking
  • [06:43:18] <Russ> the power management
  • [06:43:34] <ds2> PM can be ignored as many kernels have done
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  • [06:44:11] <Russ> and nothing happens in a vacuum, while the chip can have say 5000 features, it can only support a small subset of those simultaneously because so many used shared logic
  • [06:44:45] <Russ> ds2, I've tried on omap, which stuff gets powered by what when ends up being important, especially if the boot loader configured stuff in a funky way
  • [06:46:04] <ds2> Russ: usually you run into problems with that if you try to use PM
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  • [06:47:37] <NotTooDumb3> but when dss2 runs fine, doesn't that mean all these configurations are up?
  • [06:48:25] <Russ> yes, thanks to thousands of lines of code
  • [06:49:09] <NotTooDumb3> Russ, you mean..dss2 may work fine and the simplest driver i am planning to write might now work?
  • [06:49:38] <NotTooDumb3> Russ, thousands of lines of code of dss2?? are all these configurations does with in source code of dss2?
  • [06:49:39] <Russ> well, if you write your own driver, you are throwing out those thousands of lines of code , aren't you?
  • [06:50:02] <NotTooDumb3> yes..true
  • [06:50:18] <Russ> well, there is the dss part, the displays part, the omapfb part, the glue, the arch stuff, the board stuff, etc, etc, etc
  • [06:51:17] <NotTooDumb3> i did not get to know the file names itself in displays part
  • [06:51:34] <Russ> ok, there is not some special magical "make us go" piece
  • [06:51:39] <Russ> it all works together
  • [06:52:18] <NotTooDumb3> arch parts meaning? arch/arm/mach-omap2/ from main source code dir?
  • [06:53:29] <NotTooDumb3> Russ, I think now i am getting to know the complexity...if not pm, atlease clocks i need to configure..but clocks i understood lclk and pclk to be 1 and 4 parts of fclk..i know where to configure this
  • [06:54:16] <Russ> well, good luck to you on your omap clocking issues, and good luck to me on my virtex-6 clocking issues
  • [06:55:42] <av500> NotTooDumb3: 1) its a platform driver and a fb driver because thats how its done in linux, go back to linux 2.2 if you want it to be simple
  • [06:56:15] <av500> 2) for you simple driver from scratch, nothing will save you from having to read the TRM and/or existing code and *understand*, we cannot help you there
  • [06:57:50] <av500> 3) you spent like 5weeks now to get to this point. if you are doing that as a hobby, reconsider. if you are doing this as a job, I will mail you my rates
  • [06:58:14] <NotTooDumb3> av500, I am going through dss trm and dss2 sourc code..
  • [07:00:06] <NotTooDumb3> my target linux is not 2.2, so going through omap's source code of that might now help me much
  • [07:01:10] <arc_mat_> well, well
  • [07:03:35] <Russ> I feel like I'm having one of those conversions with someone who is younger and misses all the cultural references from the 80's
  • [07:03:50] <arc_mat_> :)
  • [07:04:02] <Russ> no strikes against you though NotTooDumb3, someone who is now isn't expected to remember the 2.2 series, strongarms, etc
  • [07:04:10] <Russ> (s/now/new/g)
  • [07:05:19] <NotTooDumb3> av500, why dss and omapfb-main are taken as two seperate platform drivers?
  • [07:05:44] <av500> because they are two different things
  • [07:05:54] <av500> you can run the omap3 without a framebuffer
  • [07:06:02] <Russ> my wife is only 3 1/2 years younger and I mentioned captain eo at disneyland and got a blank stare
  • [07:06:02] <av500> and still use the dss for e.g video output
  • [07:06:21] <Russ> then thriller, same blank stare
  • [07:06:47] <arc_mat_> captain eo?
  • [07:06:52] <av500> :)
  • [07:06:53] <arc_mat_> :D
  • [07:07:02] <Russ> its like thriller, only with aliens instead of zombies
  • [07:07:05] <Russ> and its in 3d
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  • [07:07:17] <NotTooDumb3> av500, i remember i did that..uImage was formed but when bringing up board, it hangs at omaplfb.o not found....is that what you are suggesting me to run and test?
  • [07:07:21] <arc_mat_> I know captain future
  • [07:07:32] <arc_mat_> and super kevin
  • [07:07:39] <Russ> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kBeD1L_nd4
  • [07:07:40] <NotTooDumb3> I am not interested in dss, i am interested only in omapfb
  • [07:07:53] <av500> too bad that omapfb uses dss
  • [07:07:55] <Russ> NotTooDumb3, good luck with that
  • [07:11:02] <Russ> I'd like to drive a car, but I'm only interested in the making it go part, not with the steering
  • [07:11:10] <av500> steering is overrated
  • [07:11:29] <Russ> so is dss, I mean come on, you actually want the pixels to go somewhere?
  • [07:11:53] <av500> heaven forbid
  • [07:12:17] <av500> fun game, who can tell wtf this sw does from looking at this page: http://www.zeroc.com/icee/index.html
  • [07:12:38] <Russ> in circuit emulator?
  • [07:12:55] <av500> running an a pda, neat :)
  • [07:13:38] <Russ> is it like soscoe?
  • [07:13:51] <Russ> http://www.boeing.com/bds/soscoe/index.html
  • [07:14:10] <NotTooDumb3> av500, one broad question, for my simple driver, does configuring dispc and venc allow me to see a window on tv?
  • [07:14:19] <av500> Russ: I have no idea what it is... that is my point
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  • [07:15:05] <Russ> NotTooDumb3, I don't know, I didn't read the TRM.
  • [07:15:08] <Russ> what does the TRM say?
  • [07:15:23] <av500> NotTooDumb3: you also need a framebuffer with the pixels
  • [07:15:35] <Russ> av500, same thing with soscoe, it does everything so really, it does nothing
  • [07:16:10] <av500> ah
  • [07:16:23] <av500> well, the name "middleware" says it all :)
  • [07:16:23] <NotTooDumb3> Russ, TRM says only those 2 blocks for tv out, others for lcd out
  • [07:16:27] <Russ> have you read Documentation/arm/OMAP/DSS?
  • [07:16:57] <av500> Russ: lol@ "If you do not have Adobe Acrobat Reader for reading PDF files, it is available for free from Adobe"
  • [07:17:02] <av500> its 2011 after all...
  • [07:18:17] <NotTooDumb3> Russ, i did not read the Documentation from kernel source..i am going through only trm..
  • [07:18:51] <NotTooDumb3> av500, yes i will take a buffer for a max W and H..what i meant was without other blocks of dss like dsi etc.,
  • [07:19:00] <Russ> NotTooDumb3, your questions are not very useful, you really need to just read the TRM and think
  • [07:19:12] <Russ> the TRM doesn't tell you how to put things together, just what the pieces are
  • [07:19:19] <Russ> and there are A LOT of pieces
  • [07:19:50] <av500> the dss2 source code tells you how to put the pieces together
  • [07:20:14] <NotTooDumb3> ok..
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  • [11:46:56] <aholler> /
  • [11:48:15] <woglinde> no
  • [11:50:55] <av500> \\
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  • [11:59:13] <mru> s/\\/\//g
  • [12:00:00] <aholler> //
  • [12:01:17] <woglinde> c:\
  • [12:03:09] <mru> General Failure reading drive C:. Abort, Retry, Curse?
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  • [12:13:56] <rv6502> is the audio latency normally very high in linux on the BB or something's messed up with the ubuntu 10.10 demo ?
  • [12:15:08] <koen> my bet would be ubuntu
  • [12:15:19] <koen> ubuntu is made to 10GHz desktops with 16 cores
  • [12:15:21] <rv6502> I've got around 750ms delay and the async callbacks arent working in the drivers
  • [12:16:11] <woglinde> pulse?
  • [12:16:23] <rv6502> could be pulse audio ..
  • [12:16:29] <woglinde> dont use it
  • [12:16:53] <aholler> ubuntu works fine on my netbook
  • [12:17:58] <rv6502> ah-ha! yup, pulseaudio's in the process list
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  • [12:24:05] <rv6502> .. gotta find how to disable it now
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  • [12:43:29] <jkridner|work> do we have any people here wanting to go to ELC that aren't already setup to go?
  • [12:44:08] * jkridner|work is trying to figure out if we need to try to get some passes.
  • [12:44:24] <woglinde> hm
  • [12:44:40] <woglinde> args
  • [12:44:47] <woglinde> forget it
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  • [12:44:57] <woglinde> why I always mis elc and elce
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  • [12:46:58] <ynezz> elce is in prague this year, quite close for you :)
  • [12:47:05] <woglinde> I know
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  • [12:47:51] <mru> jkridner|work: _now_ you offer to hand out passes...
  • [12:48:04] <jkridner|work> :(
  • [12:48:14] <jkridner|work> and still not flights.
  • [12:48:21] <mru> whatever, it's only 70 bucks
  • [12:48:33] <woglinde> flight or pass?
  • [12:48:37] <mru> pass
  • [12:48:45] <mru> flight is 700 or so
  • [12:48:54] <ynezz> oops
  • [12:49:00] <mru> from uk
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  • [12:57:37] <aholler> mru: you will end up there: http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/constitution/6771-fbi-announces-creation-of-biometric-database
  • [12:58:33] <mru> what makes you believe that?
  • [12:59:00] <aholler> its existense
  • [12:59:44] <aholler> or do you think they don't put in all the fingerprints they colloect from travelers?
  • [12:59:56] <mru> I've never been fingerprinted in the US
  • [13:00:00] <mru> nor anywhere else
  • [13:01:55] <aholler> when do you were the last time in the US? I've read they require those from everyone
  • [13:02:28] <jannau> even from us citizens?
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  • [13:03:05] <aholler> don't know, don't think so, there aren't any american terrorists :/
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  • [13:04:04] <whatnick> aholler: there are plenty of those
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  • [13:04:34] <aholler> <sarcasm/>
  • [13:04:46] <whatnick> they can also collate from other places where they also fingerprint you, I have particularly fancy experience of long queues in Indonesia
  • [13:04:55] <djlewis> security takes one look at mru 's stature and figures he is no threat ;)
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  • [13:05:27] * whatnick is still trying to talk to the avr on the tincan board
  • [13:05:34] <whatnick> and it keeps telling me 0x20
  • [13:05:49] <aholler> outer spacer
  • [13:05:50] <mru> aholler: I was in the US in october last year
  • [13:05:55] <mru> on a US passport of course
  • [13:06:17] <mru> do you think I'm stupid enough to go there on a foreign passport?
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  • [13:08:01] <jkridner|work> whatnick: I just got my Trainer-xM and will try booting it as well.
  • [13:08:17] <whatnick> thanks jkridner|work
  • [13:08:38] <whatnick> the i2c gpio stuff gets registered which is good news
  • [13:08:49] <djlewis> the trainer on my revC2 just worked with the avr.
  • [13:09:07] <djlewis> yeah, have to keep up with the i2c2 stuff.
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  • [13:13:40] <av500> jkridner|work: I need air ticket and pass
  • [13:14:23] <jkridner|work> hmmm... new xM doesn't come with stand-offs?
  • [13:14:31] <jkridner|work> av500: how about a pass only?
  • [13:14:51] <av500> i pass on that
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  • [13:17:56] <koen> jkridner|work: did any xM come with standoffs?
  • [13:18:09] <mru> not mine
  • [13:18:14] <mru> not even a mexican one
  • [13:18:16] <av500> not here
  • [13:18:33] <jkridner|work> oops, I meant Trainer-xM
  • [13:18:46] <jkridner|work> Trainer boards used to come with standoffs.
  • [13:19:01] <av500> no trainer here
  • [13:19:18] <koen> jkridner|work: the xm version uses a different height
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  • [13:19:38] <koen> I "reused" the standoffs from the bug adapter board
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  • [13:22:40] <whatnick> jkridner|work: mine did
  • [13:23:27] <koen> whatnick: there seems to be some confusion about bootloaders, did you try to flash it with the ISP?
  • [13:23:37] <whatnick> i have screwed them on -> http://www.flickr.com/photos/whatnick/5555258855/
  • [13:23:54] <whatnick> koen: nope i don't have an ISP
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  • [13:24:19] <whatnick> it does send me responses when avrdude tries to talk to it
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  • [13:25:17] <whatnick> will this do as an ISP http://littlebirdelectronics.com/products/pocket-avr-programmer
  • [13:25:30] <whatnick> that + an adapter
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  • [13:29:58] <koen> whatnick: that's the exact same as I have
  • [13:30:25] <koen> mine came with a funky cable, though
  • [13:30:25] * whatnick goes ahead and orders it
  • [13:30:56] <whatnick> that + http://littlebirdelectronics.com/products/avr-icsp-adapter + http://littlebirdelectronics.com/products/4wd-arduino-powered-mobile-platformwith-romeo
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  • [13:40:36] <aholler> mine: http://www.fischl.de/usbasp/
  • [13:41:59] <av500> I like the fish pcb
  • [13:42:04] <av500> it could be the fishboard
  • [13:43:06] * whatnick has the whole arm menagerie on the desk
  • [13:43:12] <whatnick> fishboard is too generic
  • [13:43:22] <whatnick> it needs to be piranhaboard
  • [13:43:38] <whatnick> or narwhalboard or kreelboard
  • [13:44:16] * whatnick is considering building a hadoop cluster with all the arm boards :P
  • [13:44:38] <whatnick> it will perform terribly badly I know ..
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  • [13:48:57] <Wayne_> Quick question, would OMAP35x be able to cope with three separate Ethernet controllers?
  • [13:49:05] <Wayne_> Obviously via additional ICs on an expansion board.
  • [13:49:43] <aholler> mine consist of a homebrewn pcb without any solder resist. was a pain to soldier that ;)
  • [13:51:14] <aholler> the 8. on the fishl-page (usbasp_gr.rar)
  • [13:52:00] <whatnick> Wayne_: mine works fine with the base USB Ether and Usb hub based ethernet
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  • [13:52:23] <whatnick> the one on-board the xM is via the USB hub anyway
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  • [13:53:55] <av500> koen: mms://a988.v101995.c10199.e.vm.akamaistream.net/7/988/10199/3f97c7e6/ftvigrp.download.akamai.com/10199/cappuccino/production/publication/Autre/Autre/2011/S12/J5/240316_HD_1214_20110325.wmv
  • [13:53:57] <av500> 11:50
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  • [14:00:13] <Wayne_> *whatnick that was what I was thinking on doing, I could look at using two SMSC usb to Ethernet devices that should give me my extra Ethernet ports.
  • [14:01:08] <av500> Wayne_: you can just plug 4 more usb2eth into the XM
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  • [14:01:24] <aholler> almost any usb2eth would work
  • [14:02:14] <aholler> the question would be why one want that?
  • [14:02:23] <av500> moar speedz
  • [14:02:31] <Wayne_> av500: I was going to do that in the short term, just wanted to check before I ordered a couple of dongles. Longer term I would like to reduce the footprint
  • [14:02:52] <av500> aholler: you can make a very expensive and slow eth switch
  • [14:05:10] <jkridner|work> whatnick: where do I find the hex image? per http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard_Trainer, do I need to build it?
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  • [14:05:32] <whatnick> jkridner|work: what hex image ?
  • [14:05:45] * whatnick looks at the page
  • [14:05:48] <jkridner|work> ATmegaBOOT_168_atmega328_pro_8MHz.hex
  • [14:05:52] <whatnick> some things are out of date
  • [14:06:07] <whatnick> ah it is in the arduino install
  • [14:06:15] <av500> jkridner|work: you have to ask in ti e2e for it
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  • [14:06:42] <whatnick> i have been looking for it online for it and google pointed me to the arduino zips
  • [14:06:53] <whatnick> (google searches inside zips too lol)
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  • [14:07:18] <whatnick> so I performed a locate on my own machine and found it
  • [14:07:28] <Wayne_> aholler: I have three separate networks, two carrying multicast traffic with the other speaking to a database
  • [14:07:49] <av500> Wayne_: and why a beagle in the middle of that?
  • [14:08:22] <aholler> I have 4 or 5 on one cable ;)
  • [14:09:56] <jkridner|work> instructions seem to be wrong about usbtiny.
  • [14:10:05] <aholler> just do ifconfig eth0:1 oneIP; ifconfig eth0:2 anotherIP ;)
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  • [14:11:04] <Wayne_> av500: I have this setup on x86, I am looking to move to an embedded solution, proof of concept at the moment, just looking to see what is possible
  • [14:11:11] <av500> sure
  • [14:11:15] <jkridner|work> whatnick: oh, it is expecting me to do this first with a PC or ISP programmer?
  • [14:11:17] <av500> its linux after all
  • [14:11:20] <koen> av500: lots of french :)
  • [14:11:20] <av500> so it can be done
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  • [14:11:37] <av500> koen: yeah, but you see the paris dev dungeon
  • [14:11:47] <av500> and Virginie
  • [14:11:48] <koen> whatnick: I used the arduino IDE to burn the bootloader, that had the bootloader included
  • [14:11:59] <whatnick> jkridner|work: well that's what koen and I have been debating whether it has a bootloader or not
  • [14:12:13] <whatnick> my expermensts so far have shown that it does not
  • [14:12:18] <jkridner|work> I think newer versions were supposed to ship with the bootloader.
  • [14:12:24] <jkridner|work> k.
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  • [14:12:37] <jkridner|work> either way, there should be instructions on how to put the bootloader on it.
  • [14:13:06] <whatnick> jkridner|work: well i compiled a blink.hex and have tried to load it with all baudrates in avrdude and I keep getting wrong response errors
  • [14:13:34] <whatnick> when I unplug the jumper i.e. power off the arduino avrdude gets no response
  • [14:14:16] <whatnick> so the arduino bootloader or whatever is listening to the serial port is indeed responding but not doing what avrdudes and gals expect
  • [14:14:17] <Wayne_> aholler: I'd be looking to measure bandwidth so this might cause me some problems, but I will look into your suggestion, as the two multicast ports don't need to be streaming at the same time
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  • [14:16:21] <beagle2_> hey, is anyone around to help me with opencv on the beagle please...?
  • [14:16:27] <beagle2_> i am getting kinda desperate...
  • [14:16:40] <xxiao> koen: narcissus builds fast, are you using -j N, or ccache, to speed things up? it's always good to have the build done quickly
  • [14:17:21] <aholler> Wayne_: bandwidth? where do the stuff come from you want to stream?
  • [14:17:57] * jconnolly|away is now known as jconnolly
  • [14:20:29] <Wayne_> aholler: At the moment I'm streaming video using VLC to a blackbox and monitoring bandwidth using iperf, I'm looking to change fthe streaming from x86 to
  • [14:20:37] <Wayne_> arm
  • [14:21:08] <aholler> and vlc gets its data from where?
  • [14:21:22] <Wayne_> m2t file
  • [14:21:28] <Wayne_> mpeg
  • [14:21:38] <av500> what aggregate bandwidth do you need?
  • [14:21:41] <av500> in+out
  • [14:21:48] <Wayne_> just out
  • [14:22:55] <Wayne_> av500: packet loss rate, line speed are the main pieces of data
  • [14:23:23] <av500> line speed?
  • [14:23:52] <aholler> I wonder how fast your vlc spits out data ;)
  • [14:27:00] <koen> xxiao: narcissus only uses .ipk files
  • [14:27:32] <Wayne_> av500: I mean bandwidth, Mbps, the device receiving the stream is supposed to be under test and is running the iperf server its to ensure QoS
  • [14:28:03] <Wayne_> *server, it's to ensure QoS
  • [14:28:32] <xxiao> koen: i c, cool
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  • [14:30:40] <av500> Wayne_: what bandwidth are we talking about?
  • [14:31:34] <koen> jkridner|work: joining the call?
  • [14:35:52] <Wayne_> av500: network
  • [14:36:04] * av500 gives up
  • [14:36:14] <av500> 1mbit? 10mbit? 100mbit?
  • [14:36:25] <Wayne_> 100 sorry
  • [14:36:26] <av500> how much data goes over the wire?
  • [14:37:32] <Wayne_> upto 70mb per loop of the stream
  • [14:37:58] <aholler> 70mb/pl ;)
  • [14:38:14] * av500 really gives up
  • [14:41:52] <aholler> Wayne_: if you going from a to b by bicycle a higway won't make you faster
  • [14:42:09] <aholler> s/going/driving/
  • [14:43:44] <beagle2_> i know this is a stupid question, but is the beagleboard 32-bit or 64-bit processor?
  • [14:44:44] <Wayne_> aholler: I understand, are you saying why do I need a 100mbit line?
  • [14:44:53] <av500> Wayne_: we do not know
  • [14:45:03] <av500> since you wont tell us the bandwith
  • [14:45:47] <woglinde> av500 50k
  • [14:45:49] <Wayne_> transmit bandwidth 2048k
  • [14:46:15] <av500> Wayne_: that is not a bandwith
  • [14:46:24] <av500> its measured in bytes *per* second
  • [14:46:27] <av500> not in bytes
  • [14:46:44] <av500> woglinde: 54
  • [14:46:54] * av500 checks date
  • [14:47:02] <woglinde> right 26k+26k
  • [14:47:05] <av500> yep
  • [14:47:07] <aholler> fridate
  • [14:49:15] <Wayne_> av500: Sorry, I thought I had mentioned it has 100mbps
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  • [14:49:28] <Wayne_> as not has
  • [14:49:46] <woglinde> 100?
  • [14:49:49] <woglinde> wuah
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  • [14:50:08] <woglinde> hd with double 3d?
  • [14:50:33] <b7500af1> heh, 6d
  • [14:51:30] <Wayne_> or 12.5MB/s
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  • [14:52:55] <xxiao> beagle2_: 32
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  • [14:55:24] <av500> Wayne_: that is the maximum bandwidth of a 100bit ethernet connection, do you use all that?
  • [14:56:35] <baddu> i get segmentation fault for every dynamically linked binary when i try to install android to beagle. does anyone know why ?
  • [14:56:41] * av500 goes to solder a bit ...
  • [14:57:36] <woglinde> baddu?
  • [14:57:43] <baddu> woglinde: yes
  • [14:58:01] <woglinde> baddu you did something wrong
  • [14:58:11] <baddu> ok ?
  • [14:59:36] <jay_> Where is the best place to find beagleboard related board design services and Linux porting services? Is there is a list somewhere? Need help asap.
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  • [15:01:49] <woglinde> hi khem
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  • [15:09:10] <whatnick> jkridner|work: any luck ?
  • [15:09:32] <jkridner|work> effort was over 10 minutes, so got distracted. :(
  • [15:09:41] <jkridner|work> on a work call now.
  • [15:10:31] <jkridner|work> I started downloading the command-line makefile so I could try to build my own dummy 'blink' app....
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  • [15:18:23] <whatnick> i got one prebuilt but getting the toolchain is handy
  • [15:18:50] <whatnick> eventually you will tire of arduino simplicity and want to build your own bootloader
  • [15:19:07] <djlewis> beagle2_: whats the prob, i gotta run soon
  • [15:23:10] <djlewis> times up,
  • [15:23:11] <av500> koen: what is "your device" in spanish
  • [15:23:18] * djlewis is gone...
  • [15:23:19] <av500> device as in gadget
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  • [15:24:08] <koen> tu gadget?
  • [15:24:17] <av500> yes, but not gadget
  • [15:24:21] <av500> "device"
  • [15:24:55] <koen> aparato
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  • [15:25:25] <koen> or juguete if it's a toy
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  • [15:26:14] <av500> koen: the BB is a toy, remember :)
  • [15:26:46] <koen> :)
  • [15:27:35] <koen> a scary toy: http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/5552784196/
  • [15:33:57] <muriani> Gah! The tentacle arises!
  • [15:36:01] <beagle2_> does anyone know of a good app on the beagle for seeing video from a webcam?
  • [15:36:18] <av500> cheese
  • [15:37:39] <prpplague> koen: hey you got a good list of stuff to buy to get started doing that makebot stuff?
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  • [15:45:50] <aholler> do you need tentacles? ;)
  • [15:47:17] <beagle2_> is it normal for the beagle to run quite slow with a webcam connected, even if i'm not running any software for it?
  • [15:49:44] <av500> define slow
  • [15:49:54] <aholler> 10mb/pl
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  • [15:52:18] <beagle2_> av500: cheese freezes when i open it, and is fixed when I unplug my webcam, any hints?
  • [15:53:55] <av500> no idea
  • [15:54:37] <mru> keep it unplugged :)
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  • [15:55:12] <beagle2_> mru: i am seriously considering swtiching over to an Aurduino, for all this pain-and-suffering... :'(
  • [15:55:14] <emeb> opening cheese is an endothermic process?
  • [15:55:37] <beagle2_> emeb: what does that mean?
  • [15:56:03] <beagle2_> (note: cheese works fine with the same webcam on this Ubuntu machine i'm on...
  • [15:56:03] <emeb> it's a joke.
  • [15:56:08] <beagle2_> i thought so, j/c
  • [15:56:30] <av500> beagle2_: the arduino has webcam support?
  • [15:56:46] <emeb> beagle2_: if you can use an Arduino for this project then you should. It's smaller, cheaper and easier to use.
  • [15:57:11] <beagle2_> av500: certain variants do, as i have seen projects briefly when i perused it
  • [15:57:19] * av500 wonders how fast opencv on arduino is
  • [15:57:50] <beagle2_> emeb: i am starting to agree with you...but do you think it is not too late to change over?
  • [15:57:55] <beagle2_> i really only have 2 weeks left...
  • [15:57:56] <mru> emeb: well, you don't want too exothermic software either, those just dump core
  • [15:58:06] <beagle2_> av500: i only need some REALLY basic stuff in opencv...
  • [15:58:10] <av500> mru: hose it with seawater
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  • [15:58:32] <mru> the trick is to use only isothermic algorithms
  • [15:58:39] * emeb has visions of self-cooking pre-packaged food...
  • [15:58:44] <Russ> all of my software is exothermic...
  • [15:58:46] <beagle2_> let me go see if my hobby lab has an arduino with USB real quick...
  • [15:59:12] * av500 has SW that is endemic
  • [15:59:14] <emeb> next trick - adiabatic algorithms...
  • [15:59:21] <av500> or epidemic?
  • [15:59:59] <aholler> talking about a slow bb and wanting to switch to an avr?
  • [16:00:17] <emeb> heh - he proposed it as an alternative.
  • [16:00:22] <whatnick> beagle2_: not much ram on the arduino to buffer video it will definitely blow up http://www.arduino.cc/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1226951266
  • [16:00:23] <mru> aholler: maybe he's trying to reach absolute zero
  • [16:00:24] <emeb> if it works, go for it...
  • [16:00:45] * emeb is skeptical tho
  • [16:00:53] <whatnick> i have run 2 webcams on the beagle without trouble
  • [16:01:06] * av500 lols at the sparkfun "serial" camera
  • [16:01:08] <aholler> the avr is missing an fb, no fun ;)
  • [16:01:39] <av500> ah no, its not that one
  • [16:01:46] <av500> but they had one that made JPGs over serial
  • [16:01:53] <whatnick> hehe usb is serial too
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  • [16:03:15] <av500> http://www.sparkfun.com/products/10061
  • [16:03:20] <av500> its back in stock!!
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  • [16:05:00] <woglinde> hehe
  • [16:05:39] <beagle2_> whatnick: ya...upon closer inspection it appears that pretty much all the aurduino projects have a PC in the mix of their design, which I'm sure is cheating the whole buffering thing...
  • [16:06:04] <beagle2_> as we cannot have a PC for our project due to modility constraints, i am thinking i should keep trucking with the beagle...?
  • [16:06:14] <av500> what is your project?
  • [16:06:24] <beagle2_> i figure i've already bought the stupid $160 paper-weight anyway...
  • [16:06:35] <beagle2_> um, basically we want a lawn-maintainenece robot,
  • [16:06:56] <whatnick> beagle2_: that's blasphemy in the #beagle channel
  • [16:06:56] * av500 would love a law-maintainence robot
  • [16:07:04] <beagle2_> but it is looking more like a parking-lot maintenence robot, by which i mean i am trying to see the 'green' of weeds in asphalt cracks,
  • [16:07:07] * aholler has one
  • [16:07:23] <beagle2_> then send high signal to persalopen the solenoid valve for herbicide dis
  • [16:07:25] <whatnick> it is by no means a paperweight (the code you are running on it probably is)
  • [16:07:26] <av500> ah, a crack-check-bot
  • [16:07:51] <beagle2_> whatnick: code has weight to it?
  • [16:08:03] <beagle2_> just kidding, but yes...it is a glorified crack-checking robot
  • [16:08:16] <woglinde> *g*
  • [16:08:21] <beagle2_> though i'd like to get into more complex algorithms, really all i need is color-differentiation...
  • [16:08:33] <av500> woglinde: go imagine
  • [16:08:48] <woglinde> hm the serial camera rocks
  • [16:08:53] <av500> yeah
  • [16:08:58] <whatnick> beagle2_: here is my experiment with 2 cameras on the beagle for stereo http://whatnicklife.blogspot.com/2010/05/beagle-has-2-eyes-opencv-stereo-on.html
  • [16:09:00] <woglinde> yo you have one?
  • [16:09:04] <av500> no
  • [16:09:11] <av500> last time i ordered there it was out of stock
  • [16:09:17] <whatnick> with some indicative times
  • [16:11:57] <woglinde> av500 now is your time
  • [16:12:11] <whatnick> also for picking up grass I would recommend a 850nm IR filter in front of the cam
  • [16:12:26] <whatnick> grass is very emmissive at near infra red
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  • [16:13:05] <whatnick> http://www.flickr.com/photos/whatnick/4643483105/in/photostream/
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  • [16:14:36] <av500> maybe digital grass: http://www.flickr.com/photos/whatnick/4652884095/in/photostream/
  • [16:15:31] <whatnick> well I am doing a phd on how radar interacts with grass and other things
  • [16:16:16] <whatnick> fieldwork -> http://www.flickr.com/photos/whatnick/4922393288/in/photostream
  • [16:16:41] <woglinde> whatnick why do you want to radar grass?
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  • [16:17:30] <av500> the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence
  • [16:17:37] <av500> so with the quadcopter he can get there
  • [16:19:40] <beagle2_> whatnick: sweet project
  • [16:20:02] <beagle2_> and yes, we did consider IR, but realistically with our budget and the time-constraints we decided against
  • [16:20:04] <beagle2_> it*
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  • [16:20:35] <beagle2_> in particualr, we were originally going to have this thing on the lawn to find dandelions and to 'protect' the normal turf grass
  • [16:21:09] <beagle2_> i.e. IR would've DEF been the way to go, but we couldn't get results with anything less then 5 um filters or so...
  • [16:21:21] <beagle2_> the results were pretty sweet though, i can send you some pics sometime
  • [16:22:08] <beagle2_> anyway ya...the grass is a pain to find strictly by looking for 'green', but i am hoping to impliment a physical hood that should help control the view a little more
  • [16:22:14] <av500> super-jumob?
  • [16:22:16] <av500> super-jumbo?
  • [16:22:20] <av500> it just landed
  • [16:22:25] <beagle2_> but enough about the finer details
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  • [16:22:58] <beagle2_> whatnick: your project looks awesome, but sadly there is no tutorial present for how to actually get opencv up and running...
  • [16:23:15] <aholler> emerge opencv
  • [16:23:25] <beagle2_> whatnick: do you think you could give me a few pointers, or atleast direct me to a tutorial that helped a lot?
  • [16:23:34] <beagle2_> aholler: thanks, let me look it up...
  • [16:23:36] <aholler> just compile it native
  • [16:23:59] <aholler> untar and call cmake;make or something like that
  • [16:25:16] <beagle2_> alright...i'll try to do that
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  • [16:25:45] <beagle2_> when you say compile native, you mean on the beagle as opposed to on my Ubuntu machine and transferring it over, right?
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  • [16:27:08] <aholler> beagle2_: exactly
  • [16:27:14] <beagle2__> aholler: sorry, unplugged my router :(
  • [16:27:39] <woglinde> beagle2 to get inet on the beagleboard?
  • [16:27:48] <beagle2__> so it sounds like i understand the general concepts alright, i am thinking it is just a matter of learning how to use a makefile
  • [16:28:04] <woglinde> O.o
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  • [16:28:41] <beagle2__> which i assume is where it takes care of actually linking the various libs and headers and stuff...?
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  • [16:29:13] <djlewis_> beagle2__: I installed opencv this week and somehow the lib's naming has been screwed with since before.
  • [16:29:52] <djlewis_> So while programs will compile, they wont link in the lib's properly without some massaging.
  • [16:29:52] <beagle2__> djlewis_: meaning what, exactly?
  • [16:29:58] <beagle2__> that i have to make some manual changes to them?
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  • [16:30:19] <woglinde> djlewis_ O.o?
  • [16:30:31] <djlewis_> beagle2__: i feel your fs is not like mine as nothing seems to work right for you?
  • [16:30:43] <beagle2__> 'fs'?
  • [16:30:53] <djlewis_> filesystem
  • [16:30:58] <djlewis_> linux
  • [16:31:01] <beagle2__> oh, um...
  • [16:31:08] <beagle2__> i think it is ext3...?
  • [16:31:10] <beagle2__> how do i check?
  • [16:31:22] <woglinde> what has the fs to do with opencv?
  • [16:31:30] <beagle2__> (it is a sakoman OS, like you suggested, i believe...)
  • [16:31:54] <djlewis_> woglinde: he couldn't get opencv to even install iirc
  • [16:32:00] <koen> beagle2__: you mean angstrom?
  • [16:33:16] <djlewis_> i think he is referring to sakoman's "not proper Angstrom", yes :)
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  • [16:34:38] <beagle2__> djlewis: sakoman is a derivation of Angstrom, basically?
  • [16:34:48] <beagle2__> and i have gotten opencv 'installed',
  • [16:35:00] <beagle2__> by which i mean i ran 'opkg install opencv' :)
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  • [16:36:37] <djlewis_> beagle2__: I havent had time to find a simple solution for the lib prob.
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  • [16:36:53] <djlewis_> might be something like an export lib thingy.
  • [16:36:56] <beagle2__> :'(
  • [16:37:57] <av500> last time I checked sakoman was a Shape-Shifting Reptilian Alien
  • [16:38:08] <sakoman> he still is
  • [16:38:33] <beagle2__> djlewis_: i will take a look at it, continuously this weekend...
  • [16:38:54] <beagle2__> just confirming: i 'should' be using EXT3 for my fs, right?
  • [16:39:00] <djlewis_> beagle2__: if i have time I will try to sort it out. I am close/
  • [16:39:09] <djlewis_> yes, ext3 is good
  • [16:39:14] <beagle2__> that'd be much appreciated
  • [16:39:25] <beagle2__> k, i will check on the ext3 when i go back to lab
  • [16:39:39] <beagle2__> and now i must go on to another project meeting, yay...
  • [16:39:58] <djlewis_> beagle2__: send me your email add'y pm
  • [16:40:04] <ds2> use any FS you feel like using.
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  • [16:40:53] <beagle2__> it is 'aamailhot@gmail.com', and what do you want me to add?
  • [16:41:32] <djlewis_> that was your address over a persopnal message, PM here in the irc, but nevermind
  • [16:41:48] <djlewis_> s/persopnal/personal
  • [16:42:14] <beagle2__> s/persopnal/personal
  • [16:42:20] <av500> djlewis_: sold already
  • [16:42:24] <beagle2__> wait, how does the pm work on here? lol
  • [16:42:35] <av500> /q <nick>
  • [16:42:41] <beagle2__> av500: don't do anything mean with my email...
  • [16:42:46] <av500> too late
  • [16:43:08] <aholler> this channel is logged, get a new one
  • [16:43:10] <beagle2__> :'(
  • [16:43:12] <av500> you just inherited 10mio ...
  • [16:44:45] <woglinde> djlewis_ what excatly was wrong?
  • [16:44:59] <beagle2__> what is 10mio?
  • [16:45:41] <av500> 10million $
  • [16:45:47] <av500> read the emails
  • [16:45:56] <beagle2__> :'(
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  • [16:47:26] <woglinde> lol
  • [16:48:30] <ds2> btw, some count died in Nigeria and needs your help to free up his fortune
  • [16:48:36] <djlewis_> woglinde: not certain but there are more than one version of each lib and no without a version number attached to the name.
  • [16:49:04] * djlewis_ is patiently waiting for his million to arrive :)
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  • [16:49:24] <av500> djlewis_: did you sent the transaction fee?
  • [16:49:29] <djlewis_> yes :)
  • [16:49:35] <ds2> djlewis: you need to wire 1mil to cover the transfer fees first
  • [16:49:44] <av500> 50k will do
  • [16:49:54] <djlewis_> yeah, in their dreams
  • [16:50:16] <djlewis_> but some stupid lawyers here in Little Rock, AR, USA made the local news for doing just that.
  • [16:52:35] <woglinde> djlewis_ you probaly has lying an older lib around
  • [16:52:59] <djlewis_> woglinde: fresh fs and opencv install
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  • [16:53:31] <woglinde> djlewis you proably want to report this to koen or oe to get it solved
  • [16:57:53] <aholler> Hmm, I wonder how g* could keep honeycomb closed while devices are already get sold.
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  • [17:01:55] <aholler> maybe they bribe everyone who demands the source, so getting a zoom and doing such could pay ;)
  • [17:02:32] <woglinde> aholler buy a xoom and ask
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  • [17:03:06] <aholler> its friday
  • [17:03:09] <muriani> hm
  • [17:03:11] <av500> aholler: why?
  • [17:03:18] <av500> aholler: I bet the kernel is in the git
  • [17:03:28] <muriani> I thought the source was out, there's been ports to other phones like the Evo and G2/Desire Z already
  • [17:03:29] <av500> we are talking the non-gpl code here
  • [17:03:41] <aholler> I bet about 80% of honeycomb is gpl
  • [17:03:42] <av500> muriani: no, they port by copying the binary libs
  • [17:03:44] <woglinde> muriani you donated to xda?
  • [17:03:45] <muriani> ah
  • [17:03:55] <muriani> woglinde: ..no?
  • [17:04:08] <woglinde> see av500
  • [17:04:10] <Russ> 80% is GPL only if 80% is the kernel
  • [17:04:31] <Russ> almost all (or all) userspace android code is BSDish
  • [17:04:40] * koen wishes opencv users would understand that opencv is a collection of libs, not an app
  • [17:05:09] <aholler> ah, done like apple
  • [17:05:10] <av500> koen: where can I the opencv app? pls explain step by step
  • [17:05:18] <djlewis_> :)
  • [17:05:19] <woglinde> koen delete the demo packages
  • [17:05:28] <aholler> so they might choose fbsd as the next kernel ;)
  • [17:05:34] <av500> yup
  • [17:05:36] <av500> but no need
  • [17:05:40] <av500> linux does just fine
  • [17:05:46] <djlewis_> yeah, they should notice that no app is installed with the pkg.
  • [17:05:47] <av500> and the android patches are public
  • [17:06:04] <koen> woglinde: the sample apps are there to spot link problems :)
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  • [17:06:12] <woglinde> funny some helpdesk from htc claimed kernel is apache licsensed
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  • [17:06:34] <woglinde> koen yeah at oe-time
  • [17:06:35] <koen> woglinde: the "problem" is that opencv changes their libnames every release, but don't update every wiki on the internet
  • [17:06:36] <aholler> haven't had a closer look at android, I've just seen many packages from 3 parties
  • [17:06:46] <woglinde> koen its a wiki?
  • [17:06:58] <koen> debian shlib renaming takes care of parallel installing quite well
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  • [17:07:14] <av500> aholler: yes, but they are more or less stock
  • [17:07:22] <av500> nothing much to see there
  • [17:07:25] <koen> woglinde: I postulate that 90% of incorrect info on the internet is either in a forum or in a wiki
  • [17:07:59] <aholler> yes, forum users learned to use wikis ;)
  • [17:08:48] * av500 heads home
  • [17:08:55] <woglinde> koen 95% are in blogs
  • [17:09:16] <woglinde> and hence
  • [17:09:25] <woglinde> you cannot change the blog as a wiki
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  • [17:16:14] <djlewis_> woglinde: it appears koen is already aware of the opencv issues ..
  • [17:16:18] * aholler just replaced the rechargeable of one the best wireless phones ever made, a sony bone ;)
  • [17:17:24] * djlewis_ still has his first cellphone, a sony of 1998
  • [17:18:14] <djlewis_> not being used of course
  • [17:18:52] <woglinde> lol
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  • [17:49:19] <aholler> such one: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:SonySPP_E100_CT1+04_res.jpg
  • [17:50:43] <djlewis_> later...
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  • [19:29:42] <Alex_> I'm having trouble compiling opencv code: corrupt jpeg data bad huffman code is the error i'm getting
  • [19:30:37] <Alex_> has anyone here experienced this?
  • [19:30:46] <Alex_> more specifically: http://pastebin.com/Pg0Szsmx
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  • [20:15:40] <aholler> since when is such as compile problem?
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  • [21:08:57] <rzyz> hello, does this channel talk a little bit about craneboard?
  • [21:09:49] <woglinde> hm not really
  • [21:10:04] <woglinde> and its silent anyway
  • [21:10:10] <woglinde> its friday
  • [21:10:30] <mru> rzyz: go ahead
  • [21:10:52] <woglinde> oh mru is awake
  • [21:11:03] <woglinde> I had pointet to him
  • [21:11:18] * mru is awake as long as the sun shines on the british empire
  • [21:11:43] <woglinde> hm should be dark at the isle now too
  • [21:11:52] <mru> canada has daylight
  • [21:12:04] <woglinde> oh
  • [21:12:28] <mru> last I checked, they were still part of the empire
  • [21:12:30] <rzyz> We are starting with the craneboard, we want to use the CAN BUS...
  • [21:12:43] <_av500_> that you can do
  • [21:12:57] <_av500_> koen: can he?
  • [21:13:12] <rzyz> but, the command ip link set can0 type can bitrate isn't working..
  • [21:13:31] <rzyz> ip doesn't know the setting "bitrate"...
  • [21:13:53] <_av500_> i think koen is the only one that tried can here
  • [21:14:12] <mru> don't we have a canned response for these questions?
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  • [21:14:31] <_av500_> I can't recall
  • [21:15:03] <rzyz> mru a canned?
  • [21:15:11] <_av500_> rzyz: sorry, not reall a can forum here
  • [21:15:35] <woglinde> rzyz what you want do over canbus?
  • [21:15:36] <_av500_> usual debugging rules apply, like googling the error message and reading the source code
  • [21:16:29] <rzyz> _av500_, ok, thanks... i done some search, and every things say the command " ip link set can0 type can bitrate"....
  • [21:16:56] <woglinde> hm its busybox ip
  • [21:17:00] <rzyz> woglinde, use it ! by a user software...
  • [21:17:06] <mru> my man page suggests it should be "ip link add can0 type can ..."
  • [21:17:07] <woglinde> maybee that knows nothing abput canbus
  • [21:17:39] <_av500_> man ip has no bitrate param
  • [21:17:46] <mru> correction: ip link add link can0 type can ...
  • [21:17:55] <rzyz> woglinde, interesting !!, this call my second question tonight....
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  • [21:18:57] <rzyz> _av500_, it can, ip cmd use netlink protocol to talk to kernel...
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  • [21:20:12] <rzyz> second question, is does the embedded distribution is the same between craneboard and beagle board?
  • [21:20:24] <_av500_> if you use the same, yes
  • [21:20:30] <woglinde> *g*
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  • [21:20:53] <rzyz> yeah! , thanks. But the default one inside...?
  • [21:20:55] <_av500_> rzyz: is bitrate maybe numeric param?
  • [21:21:09] <_av500_> rzyz: i have no idea what us inside
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  • [21:21:15] <_av500_> is
  • [21:21:35] <mru> magic smoke is what's inside
  • [21:22:07] <rzyz> _av500_, yes it is : bitrate 125000
  • [21:22:29] <woglinde> is can now canbus or something else
  • [21:22:36] <_av500_> yes
  • [21:22:44] <_av500_> crane has a can controller
  • [21:22:55] <_av500_> can you not see that?
  • [21:24:06] <rzyz> _av500_, ..??? yes craneboard has CAN BUS , with the inside AM35 controler : HECC
  • [21:24:43] <woglinde> I can believe
  • [21:24:53] <_av500_> yes, we can
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  • [21:25:19] <woglinde> hm today a saw a funny picture
  • [21:25:28] <rzyz> for information, the exact cmd: ip link set $IFACE type can bitrate 125000 triple-sampling on
  • [21:25:41] <_av500_> and the error msg?
  • [21:26:14] <_av500_> ah: ... "ip" utility help - ensure you are using iproute2 utility as only that supports CAN interface.
  • [21:26:22] <_av500_> http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/Sitara_AM35x_CAN_%28HECC%29_Linux_Driver
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  • [21:26:24] <_av500_> are you?
  • [21:26:56] <woglinde> a jehova witness and a vitnamese zigarette dealer talking at the entry of the subtrain station
  • [21:27:05] <woglinde> vietnamse even
  • [21:28:30] <rzyz> error, message is doesn't know the bitrate parameter (dont have board here...at work behind irc firewall ;)).
  • [21:28:44] <_av500_> rzyz: is that a full ip or the one from busybox?
  • [21:29:00] <woglinde> av500 I already hinted that
  • [21:29:04] <_av500_> right
  • [21:29:12] <rzyz> how be sure?
  • [21:29:13] <_av500_> it got lost in the can do
  • [21:29:24] <rzyz> i use the default one inside...
  • [21:29:24] <woglinde> opkg update
  • [21:29:33] <woglinde> opkg list | grep iproute
  • [21:29:42] <rzyz> we are at the start, doesn't understand every things...
  • [21:29:48] <woglinde> ls -la /usr/bin/ip
  • [21:30:46] <rzyz> ok... i will check it tomarrow at job....but if it isn't this one...?
  • [21:30:50] <woglinde> how the hell rim makes 5.6 billion dollars
  • [21:30:54] <woglinde> rim should rip
  • [21:31:17] <_av500_> woglinde: you would not believe it
  • [21:31:26] <_av500_> totally hip for the 16-24crowd in the us
  • [21:31:31] <_av500_> because its cheap texting
  • [21:31:57] <_av500_> since they pay for stuff like incomming sms
  • [21:32:00] * dm8tbr has XMPP for cheap texting on his n900
  • [21:32:15] <_av500_> and not so long ago there was not cross carrier texting
  • [21:32:46] <woglinde> hm I couldnt say stupid people
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  • [21:33:44] <woglinde> hm I should search for chrome bugs
  • [21:33:50] <woglinde> that makes money
  • [21:34:05] <_av500_> go find yourself a ferrari
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  • [22:01:48] <Flipo> Hello, is there a special version of mplayer I need for the xm under ubuntu to get hw acceleration ?
  • [22:02:43] <_av500_> yes
  • [22:02:46] <woglinde> if you would use angstroem you would have all the goodies
  • [22:02:47] <_av500_> but it does not exist
  • [22:03:18] <Flipo> but there's a video on youtube showing smooth 720p playback with mplayer under ubuntu
  • [22:03:36] <woglinde> sure it isnt a fake video?
  • [22:03:52] <Flipo> why would someone take the pain of faking that
  • [22:04:12] <_av500_> what video?
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  • [22:04:15] <Flipo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZPAuUSYxis
  • [22:04:35] <woglinde> why would some one build an only 7m height wall agains tsunami
  • [22:05:47] <_av500_> Flipo: no audio
  • [22:06:38] <Flipo> _av500_: that's why the framerate is good ?
  • [22:07:08] <_av500_> no sound means no sync to audio
  • [22:07:19] <_av500_> so you dont know if its 24fps or only 22
  • [22:07:23] <Flipo> so I'd be better off with angstrom
  • [22:07:31] <_av500_> that will not change mplayer
  • [22:08:10] <Flipo> so better option would be gstreamer
  • [22:08:13] <_av500_> the BB was playing that clip at 600mhz, so the added 400mhz of the XM can handle the memcpy to x11
  • [22:08:39] <_av500_> mru: does -vo vx work for omap?
  • [22:08:44] <_av500_> er, xv
  • [22:08:59] <_av500_> Flipo: gstreamer will use the same lavc decoder
  • [22:09:11] <_av500_> maybe it can write a xvideo sync
  • [22:09:13] <_av500_> er, sink
  • [22:09:23] <_av500_> or a v4l2 one
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  • [22:10:22] <mru> last I heard, the omap xv driver was broken
  • [22:10:33] <mru> and it's dreadfully slow regardless
  • [22:10:50] <Flipo> it's still strange, he must have tweaked his distro because with the same file on mine it's reeeally slow using the same command line
  • [22:11:20] <_av500_> no idea
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  • [22:11:55] <Flipo> so from what I understand angstrom would be a better bet to play videos
  • [22:12:32] <_av500_> not really
  • [22:12:43] <_av500_> angstrom would give you gst_ti with dsp codecs but only for SD
  • [22:12:45] <woglinde> av500 wah?
  • [22:12:46] <_av500_> no 720p
  • [22:12:50] <woglinde> ah right
  • [22:12:59] <_av500_> for playing 720p both are as bad
  • [22:13:09] <Flipo> so basically I'm screwed ? :P
  • [22:13:54] <_av500_> nah
  • [22:14:05] <_av500_> just modify your SW to output video efficiently
  • [22:14:13] <woglinde> *g*
  • [22:14:25] <_av500_> directly for /dev/fb1 or via v4l2
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  • [22:14:33] <_av500_> but somebody has to do it :)
  • [22:14:57] <woglinde> av500 would directfb help a bit?
  • [22:15:12] <_av500_> woglinde: /dev/fb1 is pretty direct, no?
  • [22:15:22] <_av500_> mru: because xv will still memcpy, rigt?
  • [22:15:50] <_av500_> you dont get a pointer to the real mem?
  • [22:15:54] <woglinde> av500 whats /dev/fb0 than?
  • [22:16:01] <_av500_> woglinde: gfx
  • [22:16:10] <mru> xv has an unoptimised yuv format converter
  • [22:16:15] <woglinde> hm I hate this stuff
  • [22:16:26] <_av500_> woglinde: them ui pixels go to fb0
  • [22:16:37] <_av500_> video pixels go to yuv overlay in fb1
  • [22:16:38] <woglinde> mixing gfx and video and all this shit
  • [22:16:45] <_av500_> woglinde: I love that
  • [22:18:56] <woglinde> but both fb are shown on the same display?
  • [22:19:02] <_av500_> yes
  • [22:19:09] <_av500_> dss combines gfx and vid
  • [22:19:22] <_av500_> either vid on top of gfx or under and alpha used to blend
  • [22:19:23] <woglinde> its dss2?
  • [22:19:30] <_av500_> its the dss in the omap
  • [22:19:40] <_av500_> the driver rewrite got named dss2
  • [22:19:41] <woglinde> hm dss2 was only the driver
  • [22:19:44] <woglinde> yeah
  • [22:19:59] <woglinde> okay so I am not that all nottoodumb4
  • [22:20:05] <_av500_> :)
  • [22:20:13] <_av500_> I'd have put you as 2
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  • [22:20:23] <artzz> hi everybody
  • [22:20:32] <Flipo> and would it be easier to play hd video with the pandaboard instead ?
  • [22:20:34] <woglinde> hi artzz
  • [22:20:39] <artzz> hi woglinde
  • [22:20:40] <_av500_> Flipo: yes
  • [22:20:45] <_av500_> panda plays 1080p
  • [22:20:55] <woglinde> av500 over ivan?
  • [22:21:00] <woglinde> or what it was calles
  • [22:21:02] <woglinde> called
  • [22:21:06] <_av500_> ivanhd
  • [22:21:10] <_av500_> -n
  • [22:21:21] <Flipo> _av500_: thanks, think I will go with that and keep the beagleboard for audio only projects
  • [22:21:28] <artzz> I am trying to create an image with qt4-x11-free-gles 4.7.1, and I was able to compile it fine, but when I want to create the image I gett errors like OSError(2, 'No such file or directory') when it is trying to copy ipk files that DO exist. any idea?
  • [22:21:42] <woglinde> artzz oe.dev has 4.7.2
  • [22:21:46] <_av500_> Flipo: or you play lower resolution clips
  • [22:21:56] <_av500_> and let the dss upscale them
  • [22:22:17] <Flipo> _av500_: yeah the museum where we're installing the videos won't like that :P
  • [22:22:33] <_av500_> dont tell them
  • [22:22:38] <artzz> woglinde, oh, that is strange. but suppose I have 4.7.1 and it compiled fine, I cannot understand that error
  • [22:23:14] <woglinde> artzz and you dont really need the image
  • [22:23:22] <woglinde> the ipk is enough
  • [22:23:37] <artzz> woglinde, yes, but I wanted to make a pre-install into an image, such as the qt4-free-image
  • [22:23:57] <artzz> because it takes ages to install ipk files in the board
  • [22:24:13] <woglinde> use a faster sdcard
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  • [22:28:07] <aholler> rzyz: update ip
  • [22:28:36] <rzyz> aholler, i don't know how do it for the moment..? how do it?
  • [22:28:48] <aholler> compile it yourself
  • [22:29:09] <rzyz> aholler, you sure?
  • [22:29:28] <aholler> or whatever, depends on your distro
  • [22:29:59] <woglinde> aholler no need to compile
  • [22:30:02] <woglinde> opkg update
  • [22:30:05] <aholler> rzyz: no, don't know which version you are using. look at it yourself
  • [22:30:10] <woglinde> opkg list | grep iproute
  • [22:30:16] <woglinde> opkg install iproute
  • [22:30:21] <woglinde> or iproute2
  • [22:30:39] <rzyz> aholler, i done nothing for moment with craneboard with distrib.. i doesn't understand it for the moment...:(
  • [22:30:44] <aholler> but for the socketcan-stuff you need something which isn't too old.
  • [22:30:50] <woglinde> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?pkgname=iproute2
  • [22:32:12] <rzyz> the default distrib inside craneboard?, i can direct done it this commands inside: opkg list | grep iproute && opkg install iproute
  • [22:32:35] <aholler> rzyz: the one from busybox doesn't work, if you are using that
  • [22:32:37] <woglinde> av500 what are you running on the panda?
  • [22:33:48] <rzyz> aholler, i don't have the board now....i use the one that is ship with craneboard..
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  • [22:36:50] <rzyz> we have both bought this kit : http://www.logicpd.com/products/development-kits/zoom-am3517-evm-development-kit
  • [22:36:51] <rzyz> h?h?
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  • [22:51:45] * woglinde is reading ducati_for_dummies
  • [22:51:48] <aholler> one should think the one shipped with the craneboard should understand that ;)
  • [22:53:43] <woglinde> and it dont points to mkcard.sh
  • [22:53:47] <woglinde> what a pitty
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  • [23:09:08] <artzz> woglinde, is qt4-gles supposed to work fine with gfx?
  • [23:09:51] <woglinde> artzz sorry I never tested it
  • [23:09:59] <artzz> oh ok, thanks anyways
  • [23:10:05] <woglinde> but it should
  • [23:10:17] <woglinde> but dont ask me how to set the graphic system inside qtapp
  • [23:10:35] <woglinde> to profit from it
  • [23:11:13] <artzz> yes. well, there is an example basic app, which doesn' t run now on my system
  • [23:11:26] <artzz> but powervr & gfx are working with x11 because I can run the examples
  • [23:13:04] <woglinde> its another point on my neverending todo and test list
  • [23:15:11] <woglinde> you can start qt ap with -graphicsystem
  • [23:17:09] <artzz> it is not caring about that parameter, which is -graphicssystem according to qt
  • [23:17:18] <artzz> does the same regardless of what I do
  • [23:17:24] <artzz> I will try to see if there are packages missing, I am not sure now
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  • [23:28:02] <woglinde> haha
  • [23:28:06] <woglinde> thats for mru
  • [23:28:07] <woglinde> http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/03/25/qstrings-and-unicode-optimising-qstringfromutf8/#more-3909
  • [23:28:39] <mru> seen it already
  • [23:28:48] <mru> what a pointless execise
  • [23:28:50] <mru> +r
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  • [23:29:16] <woglinde> hm why?
  • [23:29:16] <mru> if charset conversion is a bottleneck you're doing something seriously wrong
  • [23:29:53] <mru> unless your app is a bulk converter of some kind
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  • [23:30:35] <mru> a sane design converts to whatever internal format on input and from it on output
  • [23:30:50] <mru> both input and output are io-bound
  • [23:31:02] <mru> so optimising the conversion is a waste
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  • [23:31:20] <woglinde> like pulse?
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  • [23:38:41] <woglinde> good nite
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