• [00:03:26] <mru> the curse of libtool
  • [00:03:33] <thurbad> how recently have you run opkge update?
  • [00:04:08] <Pradeep> today..
  • [00:04:28] <Pradeep> I am building it in Ubuntu 10.04
  • [00:04:47] <Pradeep> I have installed libfreetype6
  • [00:04:51] <Pradeep> but still..
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  • [02:39:11] <prpplague> NishanthMenon: hey bud
  • [02:39:32] <NishanthMenon> prpplague, hi
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  • [04:04:54] <bernard_> anybody had success with usbtty support in u-boot on the -xm boards?
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  • [04:53:01] <xxiao> anyone know ti8168 vs ti389x? what's the difference
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  • [08:24:01] <tsahee> more of an oe question - but maybe you'll know - what can provide usb gadget ethernet module?
  • [08:24:48] <tsahee> I tried bitbake kernel-module-g-ether but it didn't work (nothing provides it)
  • [08:26:20] <ynezz> and you can compile just one module in kernel?
  • [08:26:49] <ynezz> you need to build the whole kernel to get the module, bitbake virtual/kernel
  • [08:26:58] <tsahee> ok.
  • [08:27:20] <tsahee> how do i configure it to build the modules I want?
  • [08:27:44] <ynezz> vim kernel_config or bitbake -c menuconfig virtual/kernel
  • [08:28:12] <tsahee> thank you!
  • [08:28:23] <tsahee> I'll try it
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  • [09:06:45] <aholler> omg, http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/Unicode-6.0/U60-1F600.pdf
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  • [10:07:19] <tsahee> unicode smiling cat face! loi!
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  • [10:09:43] <Norritt42> :)
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  • [10:50:32] <mbonnin> ????
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  • [10:52:34] <tsahee> ynezz: thanks! I'm writing what I did in case this is logged somewhere (I remember googling some logs when facing problems) or if you have a better suggestion for next time
  • [10:52:55] <tsahee> first - bitbake -c menuconfig virtual/kernel
  • [10:53:16] <arc_mat> mbonnin: ?
  • [10:53:38] <mbonnin> arc_mat: wondering if someone has the font with smiling cats installed :-)
  • [10:53:44] <arc_mat> not here ;)
  • [10:53:45] * mbonnin doesn't
  • [10:54:50] <tsahee> then - since it wouldn't rebuild: bitbake -f -c compile virtual/kernel, then bitbake virtual/kernel, then bitbake beagleboard-demo-image got it into the image
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  • [11:07:51] <ynezz> tsahee: bitbake -c rebuild virtual/kernel
  • [11:08:59] <ynezz> tsahee: bitbake -c listtasks virtual/kernel to get the list of the available tasks
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  • [11:32:53] <andrea71> hi
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  • [11:33:45] <andrea71> anyone can help me with the libmpfr.so.1 issue of the toolchain???
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  • [12:16:02] <tsahee> ynezz: 10x again!
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  • [12:41:32] <lot> hi all
  • [12:41:59] <lot> i can asking you hoy to identify the rev of my beagleboard?
  • [12:42:07] <lot> my output is:
  • [12:42:16] <lot> Texas Instruments X-Loader 1.4.4ss (Aug 19 2010 - 02:49:27) Beagle xM Rev A Reading boot sector Loading u-boot.bin from mmc U-Boot 2010.03-dirty (Aug 20 2010 - 20:50:46) OMAP3630/3730-GP ES2.0, CPU-OPP2, L3-165MHz,
  • [12:42:31] <aholler> look at the sticker
  • [12:42:40] <lot> it says rev A but have ES2.0
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  • [12:44:13] <mru> the ES printouts from u-boot are bogus
  • [12:44:33] <aholler> from x-loader too ;)
  • [12:44:38] <mru> worse there
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  • [12:45:13] <mru> they take the revision field from the hawkeye register and index a table
  • [12:45:23] <mru> but that doesn't work properly
  • [12:45:34] <mru> the same rev code means different things on different chips
  • [12:47:34] <lot> the sticker says B, but the initial lines of output says A:
  • [12:47:39] <lot> Texas Instruments X-Loader 1.4.4ss (Aug 19 2010 - 02:49:27)Beagle xM Rev A
  • [12:48:09] <mru> the sticker is probably more accurate
  • [12:48:46] <lot> mru, why ES printouts are bogus?
  • [12:49:36] <mru> see above
  • [12:52:49] <lot> ok, maybe i don't understand.. thanks
  • [12:52:54] <lot> i have another problem, my beagleboard stop with:[ 66.282135] Kernel panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt
  • [12:53:15] <lot> with the default angstorm distribution
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  • [12:53:52] <lot> you know can i solve it?
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  • [13:03:21] <Norritt42> How are you powering your bord?
  • [13:04:23] <Norritt42> lot: or rather waht is conected?
  • [13:05:48] <lot> is connected with usb
  • [13:07:21] <Norritt42> lot: only?! Smal one or big one?
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  • [13:09:48] <lot> small USB to mi usb laptop
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  • [13:12:19] <Norritt42> lot: My kernal panict during startup when I use smal USB and powerconector together. But its an C4. I found out that its not recomended to use small USB for powering due to powerconstraints on the smal USB. http://www.openismus.com/documents/linux/embedded/beagleboard_getting_started read under Powering via USB
  • [13:12:43] <aholler> lot: paste more than the last line somewhere. Is there something like init not found?
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  • [13:18:28] <lot> thanks aholler, you have the full output here: http://pastebin.com/eeLyjPwx
  • [13:19:29] <mru> that's a known bug in some kernels
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  • [13:20:10] <aholler> could be the one where you have to include a gadget-driver in the kernel
  • [13:20:16] <mru> looks like it
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  • [13:21:48] <aholler> lot: using an external power supply will help with some bugs. not every kernel is ready for powering through the otg-port
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  • [13:27:49] <Crofton|work> mcr p15, 0, r0, c7, c10, 1 @ clean D / U line
  • [13:27:56] <Crofton|work> explain this
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  • [13:28:44] <mru> "Clean Data or Unified cache line by MVA to PoC"
  • [13:29:01] <Crofton|work> where would this be explained to me
  • [13:29:09] <mru> the cortex-a8 trm
  • [13:29:15] <Crofton|work> the mcr seems to be some special instruction
  • [13:29:16] <mru> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.ddi0344k/Babhejba.html
  • [13:29:28] <mru> it's a coprocessor instruction
  • [13:29:38] <mru> cp15 is the system control coprocessor
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  • [13:30:22] <Crofton|work> ah so the cache control is a coprocessor
  • [13:30:44] <mru> well, it uses the coprocessor interface
  • [13:30:50] <Crofton|work> yeah
  • [13:31:20] <Crofton|work> so p15 refers to the system control thingy
  • [13:31:29] <Crofton|work> nd c7 is the cache piece of it
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  • [13:31:47] <lot> my full output is: http://pastebin.com/eeLyjPwx
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  • [13:32:06] <lot> you know whats the problem with my kernel panic?
  • [13:32:40] <lot> I have one power supply with 5V and 2.5A. You think that 2.5 Amp is toomuch for beagleboard?
  • [13:32:57] <XorA> 2.5A nom nom nom
  • [13:33:08] <arc_mat> lot: as long as it's 5V, no problem ;)
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  • [13:45:19] <Crofton|work> _koen_, http://opendigitalradio.org/index.php/Main_Page
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  • [13:50:43] <Crofton|work> flushing the cache to ram sees painfully slow
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  • [13:59:02] <mru> Crofton|work: why did you think the cache was there?
  • [14:01:54] <Crofton|work> I need to do a little more math, but it seems like telling is to sync with ram is much slower than the l3 xfer rate
  • [14:02:21] <koen> math is hard
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  • [14:04:00] <Crofton|work> heh
  • [14:04:07] <Crofton|work> you need to study more
  • [14:04:58] <mru> Crofton|work: how are you cleaning the cache?
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  • [14:06:38] <koen> mru: your craneboard patch is being looked at now
  • [14:08:30] <Crofton|work> dma_sync_single_for_device ...
  • [14:12:18] <mru> Crofton|work: and what method does that use, mva or set/way?
  • [14:12:45] <Crofton|work> hmm
  • [14:12:50] <mru> and how much memory are you cleaning?
  • [14:15:51] <cbrake> koen: I think we have our wl17xx BT serial port wiried up backwards. It is a little confusing and I think we assumed DCE instead of DTE device.
  • [14:16:03] * cbrake needs to find panda schematics or something ...
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  • [14:17:11] <Crofton|work> outer_inv_range(paddr, paddr + size)
  • [14:17:20] <Crofton|work> 2K bytes
  • [14:18:11] <cbrake> does anyone know if pandaboard schematics are available, or something that uses the LSR WL17xx module?
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  • [14:18:43] <cbrake> ahh, found them
  • [14:18:48] <cbrake> did not scroll down far enough
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  • [14:20:40] <cbrake> yup, we have it backwards, re-work time ....
  • [14:21:15] <Crofton|work> v7_dma_inv_range:
  • [14:21:16] <Crofton|work> is where we end up
  • [14:21:46] <mru> cache-v7.S?
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  • [14:22:45] <mru> that's just invalidate
  • [14:22:52] <mru> should be reasonably quick
  • [14:23:03] <Crofton|work> weird
  • [14:23:45] <mru> that's using the mva ops btw
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  • [14:24:37] <mru> stepping through the requested range one line at a time
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  • [14:27:42] <Crofton|work> seems like it takes around 5 micro seconds
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  • [14:28:04] <mru> from where to where?
  • [14:28:22] <Crofton|work> throughthe dma_sync function
  • [14:28:43] <mru> which chip is this btw?
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  • [14:29:54] <Crofton|work> 2530
  • [14:29:57] <Crofton|work> overo tide
  • [14:30:07] <mru> 3530?
  • [14:30:20] <Crofton|work> yeah
  • [14:30:27] <mru> do you have a 37xx around?
  • [14:30:32] <Crofton|work> no :(
  • [14:30:49] <mru> it has c-a8 r3p2
  • [14:31:06] <mru> the changes in r3 include "Improved performance for Cache Maintenance operations"
  • [14:32:10] <mru> it's able to pipeline clean/invalidate operations
  • [14:32:37] * Crofton|work fumbles around the gumstix site
  • [14:33:09] <sakoman> Crofton|work: what are you looking for?
  • [14:33:20] <Crofton|work> 3730 based overo :)
  • [14:33:32] <sakoman> you won't find it yet
  • [14:33:38] <mru> don't you have a beagle-xm?
  • [14:33:42] <Crofton|work> I forget where the future product page is :)
  • [14:33:53] <Crofton|work> no xm,
  • [14:34:02] <Crofton|work> I couldn't do this measurement on the xm
  • [14:34:09] <mru> why?
  • [14:34:26] <sakoman> Crofton|work: IIRC, there are supply issues with 37XX that is delaying shipments
  • [14:34:27] <mru> invalidating some cache can be done on any system
  • [14:34:48] <sakoman> Crofton|work: is there a simple test I could do on my 37XX Overo protos?
  • [14:34:49] <Crofton|work> http://pastebin.com/xCdbcMJh
  • [14:35:27] <Crofton|work> basically, I look at gpmc on the logic analyzer and so how long betrween the "dummy" writes
  • [14:35:42] <sakoman> ah, that isn't simple :-)
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  • [14:35:56] <Crofton|work> it is fairtly simple on an e100
  • [14:36:08] <Crofton|work> since we have gpmc signals on the mictor conntector :)
  • [14:37:20] <mru> Crofton|work: you can measure the time spent in that function easily enough without connecting anything to gpmc
  • [14:37:51] <Crofton|work> sure, but I am old fashioned
  • [14:38:23] <mru> is there a syscall for that operation?
  • [14:38:27] <Crofton|work> if the cache is already been sent to ram, does this happen faster?
  • [14:38:37] <Crofton|work> I do not think so
  • [14:38:48] <mru> invalidate doesn't do a writeback
  • [14:39:29] <Crofton|work> hmm
  • [14:39:34] <Crofton|work> maybe I traced the wrong path
  • [14:39:45] <Crofton|work> this should force the cache to be written to ram
  • [14:39:52] <Crofton|work> since I am about to dma from ram to gpmc
  • [14:39:53] <mru> that would be v7_dma_clean_range
  • [14:40:07] <Crofton|work> let me double check
  • [14:40:13] <mru> and that can be a bit slow
  • [14:40:31] <mru> on r1 it is fully serialised
  • [14:40:41] <bioster> Anyone know who I can talk to about issues with the mailing list?
  • [14:40:56] <mru> ask on the mailing list :)
  • [14:41:06] <bioster> can't
  • [14:42:13] <Crofton|work> invalidate jsut says ignore what is in cache
  • [14:42:19] <Crofton|work> and writeback sends cache to ram
  • [14:42:21] <mru> yes
  • [14:42:27] <mru> clean == writeback
  • [14:42:36] <Crofton|work> weird
  • [14:42:47] <Crofton|work> no
  • [14:42:49] <Crofton|work> it is ok
  • [14:42:54] <Crofton|work> it cleans
  • [14:43:00] <mru> what does?
  • [14:43:14] <Crofton|work> __dma_page_spu_to_dev
  • [14:43:22] <Crofton|work> I was misreading an if briefly
  • [14:43:31] <Crofton|work> and getting really confused :)
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  • [14:43:55] <Crofton|work> if dir is DMA FROMDEVICE
  • [14:44:08] <mru> using dma_map_area?
  • [14:44:09] <Crofton|work> invalidate otehrwise clean
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  • [14:44:35] <Crofton|work> dma_map_single
  • [14:44:44] <Crofton|work> grabbing memory by the page
  • [14:44:56] <koen> by the throat!
  • [14:45:01] <Crofton|work> pages end up mmap'ed so the user access them directly
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  • [14:52:44] <Crofton|work> thanks mru, you've helped solidify my "understanding" of wtf is happening more
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  • [14:53:18] <mru> Crofton|work: you said 5us to clean 2kB?
  • [14:53:28] <Crofton|work> yeah
  • [14:53:41] <Crofton|work> this is throught the dma_sync interface
  • [14:53:58] <Crofton|work> http://pastebin.com/xCdbcMJh
  • [14:54:09] <Crofton|work> to get from line 11 to line 14
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  • [14:57:08] <Crofton|work> is L3 faster on the 3730?
  • [14:57:18] <arc_mat> Crofton|work: just wondering, if you mmap the buffer to userspace anyway, can't you create a non-cached mapping to eliminate the clean in the first place?
  • [14:57:47] <arc_mat> Crofton|work: or is userspace doing a lot of manipulations on the buffer that benefit from the cache?
  • [14:58:08] <Crofton|work> basically, we just fill the buffer
  • [14:58:29] <Crofton|work> I do not think we "use" the cache much
  • [14:58:39] <Crofton|work> as in lots of read then write stuff
  • [14:58:44] <Crofton|work> mostly copy into it
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  • [14:59:10] <Crofton|work> in the back of my mind, I have been thinking about seeing if I can work out how to do what you say
  • [14:59:18] <mru> then you want an uncached buffered mapping
  • [14:59:24] <mru> and a dsb before the dma
  • [14:59:24] <Crofton|work> I had to do the pagesso I could mmap them
  • [14:59:37] <Crofton|work> dsb?
  • [15:00:00] <mru> a memory barrier
  • [15:00:03] <Crofton|work> ah
  • [15:00:31] <arc_mat> Crofton|work: let me see if I can dig out a code snippet for you.
  • [15:00:39] <Crofton|work> thanks
  • [15:00:55] <Crofton|work> I need to fix our test fpga so I can do the same test for the read case
  • [15:01:42] <Crofton|work> but a code snippet would be handy
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  • [15:03:55] <mru> Crofton|work: your times make sense
  • [15:04:13] <mru> by my calculations it's taking ~100 cycles per cache line
  • [15:04:23] <mru> that's a fairly typical dram latency
  • [15:04:31] <arc_mat> Crofton|work: http://pastebin.com/1a1TJxzd
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  • [15:05:05] <Crofton|work> ok
  • [15:05:06] <arc_mat> Crofton|work: it's a bit more than you will need, but basically it works inside a mmap call of a char device driver
  • [15:05:12] <Crofton|work> does that get better on the 3730?
  • [15:06:09] <Crofton|work> so the key line is 19?
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  • [15:06:52] <mru> Crofton|work: the 37xx can pipeline the cache operations
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  • [15:07:16] <mru> so it doesn't have to wait for each cache line to be fully written out before starting on the next
  • [15:07:22] <Crofton|work> ah
  • [15:07:37] <arc_mat> Crofton|work: yes, the key is line 19
  • [15:07:42] <Crofton|work> the problem is I clean write before starting the dma
  • [15:08:13] <mru> uncached mapping is probably the way to go though
  • [15:08:24] <Crofton|work> yeah
  • [15:08:31] <mru> but make sure it's buffered
  • [15:08:49] <mru> otherwise writes become very slow
  • [15:09:04] <Crofton|work> buffered in what way?
  • [15:09:17] <mru> using the store buffer
  • [15:09:50] <Crofton|work> how do you do this?
  • [15:10:04] <mru> unsure
  • [15:10:09] <Crofton|work> heh
  • [15:10:17] <Crofton|work> google uses store buffer with neon words
  • [15:10:34] <Crofton|work> http://www.design-reuse.com/articles/11580/architecture-and-implementation-of-the-arm-cortex-a8-microprocessor.html
  • [15:10:50] <mru> it's a page table flag
  • [15:10:54] <mru> just like cached
  • [15:10:59] <Crofton|work> k
  • [15:13:13] <mru> if you're interested in the guts of the a8, see http://www.arm.com/files/pdf/A8_Paper.pdf
  • [15:14:08] <arc_mat> Crofton|work: pgprot_writecombine, if I'm not totally wrong
  • [15:14:20] <arc_mat> Crofton|work: it's uncached but bufferable
  • [15:15:10] <mru> sounds about right
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  • [15:19:06] <Crofton|work> thanks guys
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  • [15:35:50] <flo_> hello guys, iam new in the beagleboard xm community and have a problem with my xM an Angstrom.it doesn't start the X System. startx only gives me the error: /usr/bin/startx: line 184: /OE/angstrom-dev/sysroots/x86_64-linux/usr/bin/mcookie: not found
  • [15:36:30] <flo_> its an Angstrom build from Narcissus with X11 and Xfce
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  • [15:42:50] <Crofton|work> hmm, I bet I could use differnt pgprot for each direction even ...
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  • [15:46:27] <ssvb> Crofton: I may be wrong, but you can't have multiple mappings with different page attributes on ARM
  • [15:49:02] <ssvb> Crofton: something like this, though I'm not sure if it is the best link - https://lkml.org/lkml/2010/10/8/473
  • [15:51:35] <ssvb> Crofton: I mean multiple mappings for the same region of physical memory
  • [15:51:50] <Crofton|work> ah yes, that setting applies to the entire vma
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  • [16:03:12] <Gundersen> hello
  • [16:03:29] <Gundersen> is this a good place to ask for help with the beagle board?
  • [16:03:54] <mru> no, this is the place where you ask to ask about the beagle board
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  • [16:04:10] <mru> we'll give you a ticket, and when it's your turn, you may ask over there -->
  • [16:05:21] <Gundersen> huh?
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  • [16:06:06] <bioster> Gundersen: he was joking, the answer is yes (though you do need to be patient as the people who can answer questions aren't necessarily watching their screens)
  • [16:06:19] <Gundersen> hehe, ok
  • [16:06:52] <Gundersen> So, does anyone have experience connecting the beagleboard to the internet over USB, via a desktop computer?
  • [16:07:14] <Gundersen> I've googled quite a bit, and it seems pretty simple (just run /sbin/ifconfig usb0 ...)
  • [16:07:32] <Gundersen> but neither the desktop nor the beagleboard finds usb0
  • [16:07:47] <arc_mat> Crofton|work: but you can have a read and a write area. nothing hinders you to create two vmas for the same physical address range
  • [16:07:55] <Gundersen> I'm probably not connecting the beagleboard correctly
  • [16:08:19] <arc_mat> Crofton|work: but what would that be good for?
  • [16:08:21] <bioster> Gundersen: I'm a newbie, and I've only connected it via network cards so far (though that does work well)
  • [16:08:35] <Gundersen> what network card did you use?
  • [16:09:15] <bioster> Gundersen: the -xM has a built-in one, and I'm using the usb hub/network card I ordered when I ordered my C4, for the C4
  • [16:09:26] <bioster> Gundersen: I ordered from Special Computing... I can look it up if you care
  • [16:09:51] <Crofton|work> there is a read buffer and a write buffer
  • [16:09:56] <Gundersen> shouldn't any standard usb network card work?
  • [16:09:58] <Crofton|work> data flows in different directions
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  • [16:10:32] <bioster> Gundersen: I imagine most/all should work, though this one does have the nifty advantage of being a usb hub as well
  • [16:10:49] <bioster> Gundersen: as long as there's support for the device in your distribution it should work just fine
  • [16:11:23] <Gundersen> hmm, maybe I should try that instead of the usb networking
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  • [16:16:04] <bioster> Then to transfer files to the machine I either put it in the rootfs of the SD card, or scp it over
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  • [16:35:07] <aholler> Gundersen: try ifconfig -a
  • [16:35:34] <aholler> than dmesg
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  • [16:41:33] <mbonnin> Gundersen: I had usb networking working with a C4 + g_cdc driver
  • [16:41:58] <mbonnin> although I did not take the time to make internet work, only local connection between the desktop and the BB
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  • [17:10:33] <prpplague> Crofton: ping
  • [17:10:37] <prpplague> Crofton|work: ping
  • [17:12:45] <prpplague> anyone tried the TXS02612 on the sd/mmc signals of the beagleboards expansion yet?
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  • [17:26:17] <prpplague> fyi, tomorrow is the last day to provide feedback for rev2 of the Trainer Board for use with the Beagle and Panda boards : http://www.elinux.org/BeagleBoard_Trainer
  • [17:30:01] <RobotGuy> I need to order another Beagle-xM
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  • [17:39:23] <aholler> hmm, the lkml-message about ioremap sounds scary. ;)
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  • [17:56:56] <arc_mat> aholler: ?
  • [17:57:37] <aholler> all those limitations. haven't known this
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  • [18:46:07] <prpplague> anyone remember who it was that was tracking down an issue with the zippy2 dropping ethernet connections?
  • [18:47:42] <prpplague> cwillu_at_work: ping
  • [18:47:45] <prpplague> cwillu: ping
  • [18:47:49] <cwillu> pong
  • [18:47:54] <cwillu> (both on highlight :p)
  • [18:48:22] <prpplague> cwillu: were you the one looking into a condition where the micrell part on the zippy2 was dropping connections?
  • [18:48:59] <cwillu> Wasn't exactly that symptom
  • [18:49:15] <prpplague> cwillu: ahh can you refresh my memory on it?
  • [18:49:19] <cwillu> actually, it might have been on the newer kernels
  • [18:49:44] <cwillu> and there was also a bug where a packet coming in at just the right time could take out the board
  • [18:50:25] <cwillu> I haven't tried a newer kernel in a while, but now that I think about it, I think you're right, it was losing connectivity after a little while
  • [18:50:52] <prpplague> cwillu: got any posts or references on the issue?
  • [18:51:35] <cwillu> just irc logs
  • [18:51:49] <cwillu> I still have all the hardware though, I should be able to duplicate it
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  • [18:56:18] <Crofton|work> mru, if I set write combine, do I need to use memory barriers?
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  • [18:58:38] <prpplague> cwillu: what kind of transfer rates were you getting?
  • [19:00:03] <cwillu> 1.9M/s or so
  • [19:00:19] <cwillu> that's over ssh though
  • [19:01:24] <prpplague> cwillu: just to make sure we are on the same page, 1.9MByte/s or 1.9Mbit/s ?
  • [19:01:40] <cwillu> one moment, I'm just setting up a netcat to test a bit better
  • [19:01:40] <cwillu> mbyte
  • [19:03:29] <mru> Crofton|work: yes
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  • [19:03:54] <mru> Crofton|work: a DSB forces the writes out of the store buffer
  • [19:05:06] <Crofton|work> how would that relate to the kernel memory barrier functions
  • [19:05:15] <prpplague> Crofton|work: ping
  • [19:05:27] <prpplague> Crofton|work: you have used the txs0206 on a board right?
  • [19:05:45] <Crofton|work> in the past
  • [19:05:51] <Crofton|work> did not make it to production
  • [19:05:55] <prpplague> Crofton|work: ahh
  • [19:06:03] <Crofton|work> we needed the front panel space
  • [19:06:08] <prpplague> Crofton|work: different part? or just dropped that item
  • [19:06:14] <prpplague> Crofton|work: ahh
  • [19:06:16] <Crofton|work> dropped the sd card
  • [19:06:22] <Crofton|work> for front panel space
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  • [19:06:36] <prpplague> Crofton|work: you got it working originally?
  • [19:06:42] <Crofton|work> yeah
  • [19:06:44] <Crofton|work> worked fine
  • [19:07:20] <prpplague> Crofton|work: did you have other bga/microbga on your board?
  • [19:07:32] <Crofton|work> the fpga is a bga
  • [19:07:52] <prpplague> Crofton|work: ahh ok
  • [19:10:20] <cwillu> huh
  • [19:10:37] <cwillu> prpplague, iperf reports 1.05mbit/s on udp, and 10.4mbit/s on tcp
  • [19:11:18] <cwillu> nvm, that's because the default is 1mbit
  • [19:12:03] <cwillu> 12.4 Mbits/sec on udp
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  • [19:16:30] <prpplague> cwillu: thanks
  • [19:16:41] <prpplague> cwillu: what kernel version are you testing with
  • [19:16:52] <cwillu> 2.6.35
  • [19:17:02] <prpplague> cwillu: dandy thanks
  • [19:17:43] <cwillu> later than that and I run into troubles; I'm remote to that box right now (sick at home :p), but when I get into work I'll try a newer kernel again
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  • [19:20:08] <jkridner|work> I'm planning to get Gerald on the phone over the next week to talk about some of the questions coming up on the mailing list. I'll probably spend some time going through the IRC logs for the last week as well. Any suggestions?
  • [19:20:29] <jkridner|work> I'll certainly want to talk about the USB kernel crash thing.
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  • [19:21:37] <prpplague> jkridner|work: something interesting being discussed?
  • [19:22:04] <jkridner|work> that depends, is there anything interesting you'd *like* to discuss?
  • [19:22:36] <jkridner|work> OMAP4/Panda relationship to Beagle? that might be a spark flyer.
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  • [19:23:20] <jkridner|work> What are the latest troll topics? Those always make for good talk radio.
  • [19:23:49] <jkridner|work> The future of MeeGo?
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  • [19:24:01] <jkridner|work> and Nokia.
  • [19:24:13] <cwillu> the use of beagleboards in industry!
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  • [19:24:38] <jkridner|work> That's a nice troll topic! :)
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  • [19:24:50] * jkridner|work is pretty good at inciting Gerald....
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  • [19:24:59] <jkridner|work> that is a softball I can throw at him. :)
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  • [19:25:08] <prpplague> jkridner|work: hehe not a difficult task indeed
  • [19:25:29] <jkridner|work> I didn't say it was hard, just that I'm good at it.
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  • [19:26:10] <jkridner|work> Any good Yocto troll questions?
  • [19:26:18] <ynezz> there was something interesting on the mailing lists recently?
  • [19:27:39] <jkridner|work> there was Koen's new almost release candidates for updating what gets shipped with the BeagleBoards.
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  • [19:39:38] <Crofton|work> mru, looks like that approach reduces the gap dramatically
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  • [20:03:59] <bioster> ok, so I'm trying to cross-compile a c++ 'hello world' for my beagle board, but when I go to install it, it complains that libstdc++6 is missing (it's a dependency)
  • [20:04:08] <bioster> How do I fix that?
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  • [20:07:17] <wmat> bioster: $ opkg install libstdc++6 libstdc++-dev
  • [20:07:48] <bioster> Where would I get them from?
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  • [20:08:23] <thurbad> opkg downloads them inf you have network set up
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  • [20:09:50] <bioster> I have the network+intertubes set up, but I get errors like this when I use try to do that:
  • [20:09:54] <bioster> opkg_install_cmd: Cannot install package libstdc++6.
  • [20:10:16] <bioster> Unknown package 'libstdc++6'.
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  • [20:10:48] <bioster> Do I have to configure opkg with a repository or something?
  • [20:11:37] <thurbad> have you run opkg update yet?
  • [20:12:04] <bioster> hmm, I don't recall
  • [20:12:06] <bioster> I'll do that now
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  • [20:12:41] <bioster> looks like no, thanks
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  • [20:25:38] <fredim> Where can I buy lcd touchscreen for beagle? I need different resolutions, resolution >= 7''
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  • [20:26:30] <prpplague> freddy: only commercial lcd products i've seen for the beagle are smaller displays such as the psp style display
  • [20:26:55] <mmarker> Ok, I've got an xM, and getting throroughly confused on how to program for the DSP on the thing. I've seen different wiki subjects on the matter. Is there a "this is the guide, follow this and be enlightened"
  • [20:27:03] <prpplague> fredim: https://specialcomp.com/beagleboard/BeagleLCD2.htm
  • [20:27:32] <prpplague> fredim: http://www.liquidware.com/shop/show/BB-BT/BeagleTouch
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  • [20:29:38] <fredim> prpplague, I need to buy in large amounts
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  • [20:30:06] <fredim> Do you know other places?
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  • [20:35:09] <cwillu> define large amounts
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  • [20:38:20] <lechago> Nooo...After 12 hours bitbaking base-image console-image i got a error. I am using angstrom-scripts since this morning and the first bitbake i did it without the script oebb.sh as wrapper
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  • [20:38:48] <lechago> the error i got is the following http://pastebin.com/fRgqDZQ5
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  • [20:39:32] <lechago> please someone can tell me if i can recover this build or i shoul start from zero again ?
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  • [20:47:04] <prpplague> lechago: #
  • [20:47:05] <prpplague> ERROR: Function 'do_compile' failed (see /home/fer/bb/angstrom/setup-scripts/build/tmp-angstrom_2008_1/work/armv7a-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/libnl2-1_2.0-r1/temp/log.do_compile.11488 for further information)
  • [20:47:18] <prpplague> lechago: check that log to see why the compile failed
  • [20:47:53] <aholler> just look at line 20
  • [20:48:56] <lechago> prpplague: the log is printed out as well after that line you wrote
  • [20:49:46] <lechago> | make[1]: Entering directory `/home/fer/bb/angstrom/setup-scripts/build/tmp-angstrom_2008_1/work/armv7a-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/libnl2-1_2.0-r1/libnl-2.0/lib' | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `route/pktloc_grammar.y', needed by `route/pktloc_grammar.c'. Stop.
  • [20:49:47] <aholler> maybe a dependency is missing. you could try to install bison or yacc
  • [20:53:27] <lechago> buff guys i cannot follow you. i'm a newbie in this world
  • [20:54:11] <mru> aholler: that message is saying the .y file is missing
  • [20:54:21] <mru> installing yacc isn't going to help with that
  • [20:54:47] <aholler> how knows, maybe it's missing because it isn't created
  • [20:55:09] <mru> yacc doesn't write the code for you
  • [20:55:16] <mru> the .y is the input to yacc
  • [20:55:18] <lechago> could be problem from downloading a source ?
  • [20:55:23] <lechago> or a recipe?
  • [20:55:47] <aholler> but something else could write that and that something isn't called because now compiler compiler was found
  • [20:55:58] <aholler> s/now/no/
  • [20:56:02] <mru> no, that's not how make works
  • [20:56:29] <mru> make decided that it wanted to create the .c from the .y (presumably by calling yacc), but the .y file isn't there
  • [20:56:29] <aholler> makefiles never have bugs
  • [20:56:36] <mru> and make doesn't know how to create it
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  • [20:56:59] <mru> a missing yacc would be noticed only once make tries to run the command
  • [20:57:14] <mru> which it doesn't do until it has worked out the full dep tree
  • [20:57:21] <aholler> and autofoo/configure and all the accompanying scripts are rock-solid too
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  • [20:58:05] <mru> even the buggiest makefile can never get make to do things it cannot do
  • [20:58:21] <aholler> it can
  • [20:58:34] <mru> no
  • [20:58:46] <aholler> just skip the step to create that y
  • [20:58:55] <mru> I'm assuming it's not triggering a buffer overflow and injecting code into make
  • [20:59:01] <aholler> if that is automagically created
  • [21:01:17] <mru> there is no .y, nor is there supposed to be one
  • [21:01:24] <mru> that .c file is created by lex from .l
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  • [21:06:34] <prpplague> jkridner: i can't seem to get cathy on the phone
  • [21:06:55] <jkridner> she travels a lot..
  • [21:07:05] <jkridner> did you try e-mail as well?
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  • [21:07:15] <jkridner> copy me when you e-mail her.
  • [21:07:52] <prpplague> jkridner: i was just about to send email, thought i'd try her on the phone first as an introduction
  • [21:08:19] <prpplague> jkridner: boards are ready
  • [21:08:27] <prpplague> jkridner: so now we are jsut waitning on po
  • [21:08:29] * jkridner is looking at what it would take to patch koen's rootfs.dd.img with dd to make it bootable, namely to see if dd can be used to put MLO to be read in "RAW" mode.
  • [21:09:02] <jkridner> did she already get an invoice? I don't recall ever seeing one.
  • [21:09:12] <jkridner> she might need it to generate the PO.
  • [21:09:22] * XorA sneaks in and alters the delivery address for new boards to his flat
  • [21:09:41] <jkridner> XorA, you looking for Trainer boards?
  • [21:10:02] <prpplague> XorA: dont you already have a trainerboard?
  • [21:10:07] <XorA> jkridner: Ive got one, I was just kidding and stealing your boards :-)
  • [21:10:13] <prpplague> bad XorA
  • [21:10:28] <XorA> prpplague gave me one ages ago
  • [21:10:41] * XorA should be getting a beagle XM at the weekend
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  • [21:14:04] <DaveDavenport> /me would like an XM or better a pandaboard
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  • [21:16:51] <jkridner> xM's are quite easy to get now.
  • [21:17:09] <jkridner> just ignore the 0 available and you'll get one quick anyway.
  • [21:17:15] <jkridner> "hand to mouth"
  • [21:18:45] * jkridner reads signGP.c and think that implies MLO starts with a Configuration Header, but I can't parse it doing hexdump MLO.
  • [21:19:38] <prpplague> jkridner: basically the header is just the size of the MLO code and the location to load it
  • [21:20:57] <jkridner> reading from the TRM, Table 26-41, the assertion is that the first 4 bytes are the start of a TOC.
  • [21:21:47] <DJWillis> XM's seem easy to get, are pandaboards easy to get?
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  • [21:22:35] <prpplague> jkridner: which signGP.c are you looking at?
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  • [21:22:42] <prpplague> jkridner: there are a number of variations
  • [21:23:10] <jkridner> I was just checking that it was trying to write a config_header....
  • [21:23:13] <jkridner> MLO must have one....
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  • [21:23:29] <jkridner> the thing that bothers me is that MLO doesn't seem to match the TRM.
  • [21:23:37] <jkridner> er, that I haven't figured out how to read the TRM.
  • [21:23:45] <prpplague> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBQQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fbeagleboard.googlecode.com%2Ffiles%2FsignGP.c&rct=j&q=signgp.c&ei=UsxmTbadI9H3gAfS0ZXLCg&usg=AFQjCNEQ4hgiNcZExa4-ENfj8Wla-Pq2YQ&cad=rja
  • [21:24:36] <jkridner> and the one in http://gitorious.org/x-load-omap3
  • [21:24:44] <jkridner> I know there are a bunch of places to look
  • [21:25:24] <prpplague> jkridner: yea if you look at the one i pasted, its the bare min for MLO
  • [21:25:31] <prpplague> jkridner: len and location
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  • [21:26:43] <jkridner> I'm looking at koen's MLO file in what he recently put up on the mailing list.
  • [21:27:24] <jkridner> it looks a bit more complicated for some reason.
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  • [21:28:11] <prpplague> jkridner: yea there are some additional features you can use
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  • [21:28:27] <jkridner> the ROM code seems it will load from sector 0 or sector 256...
  • [21:28:42] <jkridner> just looks for a config header, gp header, blah, blah...
  • [21:28:47] <beagle2> hey all, can anyone help me get my USB keyboard talking to my Beagle?
  • [21:28:47] <jkridner> should be what is in the MLO file.
  • [21:29:04] <jkridner> I was looking to see if there was some place I could fit it in...
  • [21:29:15] <mmarker> Anyone? Am I just dense, or is there a really good canonical idiot's guide to how to use the DSP on the xM?
  • [21:29:17] <jkridner> koen's current format seems to have stuff at sector 256...
  • [21:29:34] <jkridner> and I wasn't sure if I could keep the MBR required stuff in sector 0
  • [21:30:10] <jkridner> mmarker: canonical the company or definitive? either way, not so much as there are competing DSP software stacks.
  • [21:30:12] <prpplague> jkridner: i'm sure it can be done, but it would be pretty tricky
  • [21:30:49] <jkridner> mmarker: personally, I recommend the C6Run instructions on the eLinux wiki that Mark Yoder posted for using it with a pre-built Angstrom image.
  • [21:31:19] <jkridner> mmarker: Mark Yoder provide a link to a pre-built set of C6Run tools and instructions for installing the TI tools to work with it.
  • [21:31:46] <jkridner> mmarker: http://elinux.org/ECE597_Installing_DSP_Development_Tools_c6run
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  • [21:32:27] <aholler> beagle2: which bb?
  • [21:33:47] <mmarker> jkridner: more like "These are the instructions to follow" instructions
  • [21:34:03] <mmarker> Using maverick on the board, but not scared of kicking a kernel in the teeth.
  • [21:34:54] * prpplague pokes jkridner in the eye with a sharp stick
  • [21:35:16] <jkridner> ah, Maverick. I have less of an answer with Maverick and will walk away quietly for the moment.
  • [21:35:28] * jkridner thanks prpplague
  • [21:35:51] <prpplague> jkridner: this maybe the thread - http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/a554a9f714afa19d/ebef9afc903cc139?lnk=gst&q=header#ebef9afc903cc139
  • [21:36:18] <mru> why do people buy a _development_ board and assume there will be step by step instructions for _exactly_ what they want?
  • [21:36:48] <aholler> ask ms ;)
  • [21:37:13] <jkridner> prpplague; nope
  • [21:37:21] <aholler> install an ide, click some buttons, and there you go ;)
  • [21:37:22] <mmarker> mru: Because I've seen a few differnt pages on the subject, all semmingly a tad bit different, and not knowing if anything is up to date. Leads to a tad bit of confusion.
  • [21:37:43] <prpplague> mru: hehe probably because thats how the arduino folks do things
  • [21:39:24] <mru> if you don't know how to bootstrap a board, you shouldn't be buying one
  • [21:39:51] <mru> it's of course reasonable to assume boot loader and kernel exist somewhere
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  • [21:43:36] <prpplague> jkridner: hmm i dont see anything that jumps out, i'll re-read this evening
  • [21:44:01] <jkridner> I'm searching my personal mail now...
  • [21:44:09] <aholler> I've recently saw a dsp for dummies-guide. I think someone posted an (ti-)url to such here.
  • [21:44:27] <jkridner> somewhere in some e-mail I was copied on, someone was complaining they broke pin off of the VGA adapter or something like that.
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  • [21:45:01] <mnemoc> aholler: http://focus.ti.com/dsp/docs/dspsplash.tsp?contentId=52451
  • [21:45:18] <mmarker> I think the C6Run stuff looks to be the most painless...will give that a shot and see what's underneath it all
  • [21:45:59] <aholler> mnemoc: thanks, mmarker: there you have it ;)
  • [21:46:58] <aholler> hmm, but that isn't what I meant. Anyway, reading books is good too ;)
  • [21:47:01] <mmarker> Yea, thanks
  • [21:50:02] <mnemoc> aholler: that's the only *i* know :-/
  • [21:51:02] <jkridner> prpplague: argh. can't find it. I know someone was complaining about it recently.
  • [21:52:00] <jkridner> if I could figure out what MLO has around the end of the first sector, I could figure out if I could adjust it to accept the MBR fields.
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  • [22:25:11] <jkridner> I'll figure out later where it falls. :)
  • [22:25:44] <jkridner> probably right in the middle of FAT tables.
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  • [22:29:11] <jkridner> way I read it, koen's partition wasn't even marked bootable. :(
  • [22:29:17] <beagle2> how long should 'opkg upgrade' take on a fresh Angstrom load?
  • [22:29:58] <jkridner> if it is quite fresh, not too long. I'd expect it to take less than 30 minutes.
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  • [22:30:03] <jkridner> how long did the update take?
  • [22:33:52] <beagle2> um, the update was like 2 min
  • [22:34:06] <beagle2> alright, it's def been more than 15 min for the upgrade, but not more than 30...
  • [22:34:07] <jkridner> how long has the upgrade been going?
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  • [22:34:25] <jkridner> are you sure it was "fresh"?
  • [22:34:38] <beagle2> i made it myself, from the Angstrom tutorial
  • [22:34:41] <jkridner> you might be starting new with Angstrom, but do you know the image was produced by a recent Angstrom?
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  • [22:35:00] <jkridner> as in, you built it with bitbake?
  • [22:35:55] <beagle2> I untarred the demo image actually, sry*
  • [22:35:56] <beagle2> from
  • [22:36:18] <beagle2> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/
  • [22:36:35] <beagle2> do you recomend bitbaking for a cleaning install?
  • [22:36:46] <beagle2> bare in mind i am fairly new to linux and Beagles...
  • [22:37:04] <beagle2> i just need a good environment to run C++ code on, none of this extra stuff
  • [22:37:13] <jkridner> yeah, that isn't fresh.
  • [22:37:19] <jkridner> so, it could take a while.
  • [22:37:58] <jkridner> head for dinner, which is what I'm about to do.
  • [22:39:40] <beagle2> doh, alright
  • [22:40:01] <beagle2> i feel nervous just leaving it laying around, especially since i put my robot on fire a few days ago...
  • [22:40:40] <beagle2> and do you recommend bitbake for compiling code on it with OpenEmbedded?
  • [22:40:51] <beagle2> that sounds like what my fellow students are doing
  • [22:40:58] <beagle2> I obviously have a lot to read up on...
  • [22:41:12] <beagle2> but just getting internet on the board is a nice victory ^^
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  • [22:58:39] <jkridner> beagle2: no, I wouldn't recommend running bitbake *on* the board.
  • [22:58:45] <jkridner> use 'gcc'.
  • [22:58:57] <jkridner> or, python, ruby, or perl.
  • [22:59:05] <jkridner> or openjdk.
  • [22:59:16] <jkridner> or node.js.
  • [22:59:49] <ds2> actually, do use bitbake on the board ... do a page write up on there
  • [23:00:07] <ds2> it'd be another step toward getting rid of the x86 parasite
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