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  • [22:10:19] <zandubalm> Is anyone aware of SDK for beagleboard?
  • [22:10:41] <koen> SDK for what?
  • [22:14:10] <zandubalm> c/c++ development
  • [22:14:28] <mru> gcc
  • [22:14:36] <aholler_> g++
  • [22:14:46] <mru> comes with gcc
  • [22:14:54] <zandubalm> i would like to utilize eclipse development environment
  • [22:15:06] <mru> we're not stopping you
  • [22:15:21] <mru> oh, I see...
  • [22:15:30] * aholler_ is now known as aholler
  • [22:15:41] <mru> you're looking for a beagle-branded copy of eclipse to help fill up your hard drive
  • [22:15:49] <djlewis_> ooh
  • [22:16:01] <mru> hey, we could sell that
  • [22:16:04] <mru> we'd be rich
  • [22:16:14] <ds2> }:-)
  • [22:16:47] <mru> are those antlers?
  • [22:18:13] <djlewis_> looks like a texas longhorn
  • [22:18:16] <ds2> why yes.
  • [22:19:03] <zandubalm> i have linux host machine and would like to install SDK on the host machine and then tranfer the program to Beagleboard
  • [22:19:55] * mru still doesn't understand what the sdk step is meant to accomplish
  • [22:20:11] * djlewis_ thinks thats a wondoze term
  • [22:20:25] <djlewis_> s/wondoze/windoze
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  • [22:21:57] <xxiao> do i need license the dsp code on beagle if i want to sell some clones?
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  • [22:22:10] <ds2> it is a reason for people to sit at their desk and do nothing til someone delivers the SDK ;)
  • [22:22:28] <mru> ds2: yes, I've used that excuse myself at times
  • [22:22:56] <mru> and once it arrived, I'd find something wrong with it
  • [22:23:20] <ds2> and repeat ad inf?
  • [22:23:31] <koen> everytime I get an 'sdk' I think 'how to I rebuild the usefull parts?"
  • [22:23:32] <mru> eventually I'd have to do something of course
  • [22:23:41] <mru> koen: +1
  • [22:24:04] <prpplague> zandubalm: you can view some of the development environments here - http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard#Development_environments
  • [22:24:47] <mru> IDE = isolated dev environment?
  • [22:24:58] <ds2> isn't that for hard drives?
  • [22:25:11] <mru> yeah, an antique model
  • [22:25:37] <mru> it's all satan drives now
  • [22:26:17] <zandubalm> prpplague: Thanks will have a look at it
  • [22:26:24] <mru> if one were to put an HD controller and an ethernet adaptor on the same board, what would it be?
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  • [22:26:45] <koen> MFM?
  • [22:26:49] <mru> SATANIC
  • [22:26:49] <djlewis_> long ago in a land far away I purchased a sdk for a company Spectrum Audio for their first cdr technology.
  • [22:26:54] <ds2> one constipated computer?
  • [22:27:28] <djlewis_> I mean first, 150K/sec
  • [22:27:40] <djlewis_> 1x
  • [22:28:49] <AlTheKiller> Anyone know off hand how to blacklist a device from the serial module w/o recompiling the kernel?
  • [22:29:05] <mru> I used to have a scsi/eth combo board
  • [22:29:39] <AlTheKiller> I've got some parport card that's based on a multi-function chip.
  • [22:29:55] <AlTheKiller> Looks like serial and parport are both trying to register it.
  • [22:29:59] <mru> qlogic isp1040 + sun "happymeal" iirc
  • [22:30:12] <ds2> S-bus?
  • [22:30:17] <mru> pci
  • [22:30:30] <ds2> for the Ultra10?
  • [22:30:37] <mru> no idea what it was for
  • [22:30:41] <mru> I used it in an alphastation
  • [22:31:00] <mru> the place I stole it had lots of sun machines
  • [22:31:08] <mru> err.. borrowed
  • [22:31:20] <ds2> were they teh one that look like a mini tower case PC?
  • [22:31:28] <ds2> with the ugly purple plastic
  • [22:31:29] <mru> they had all sorts
  • [22:31:37] <zandubalm> What is the fastest boot time if any one has achieved on BB
  • [22:31:43] <mru> this card was just lying around unused
  • [22:32:05] <djlewis_> zandubalm: depends on if you need a workable os or not ;)
  • [22:32:11] <mru> times don't have a speed, they have a duration
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  • [22:34:05] <zandubalm> http://bit.ly/dqTMWL
  • [22:34:21] <zandubalm> this quickboot achives 1 sec boot time
  • [22:34:47] <djlewis_> i can't even plug in the dc connector that fast.
  • [22:35:22] <mru> mine usually run for months on end
  • [22:35:31] <mru> if not years
  • [22:35:50] <mru> I've had a beagle running continuously for well over a year
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  • [22:36:13] <mru> then one day, it crashed
  • [22:36:18] <ds2> got to have a chat with your electric provider about day ;)
  • [22:36:29] <ds2> s/day/that/
  • [22:36:54] <mru> in the 5 years I've lived in this place, there hasn't been a single outage
  • [22:36:56] <djlewis_> heck, a beagle would run on a little solar cell with tiny battery
  • [22:37:14] <djlewis_> and I have an outage at least once a day
  • [22:37:19] <mru> it wasn't lack of power that killed it
  • [22:37:28] <djlewis_> ups's in every room.
  • [22:37:40] <mru> kernel died
  • [22:37:42] <mru> don't know why
  • [22:37:58] <mru> it was .32-rc6+stuff
  • [22:38:02] <mru> iirc
  • [22:38:09] <ds2> timer wrap issues?
  • [22:38:32] <mru> don't think so
  • [22:38:36] <djlewis_> hmmm .32-rc6, must have done a reboot at least
  • [22:38:53] <djlewis_> when did you get .32-rc6?
  • [22:39:03] <prpplague> fyi for anyone interested, TinCanTools will be doing a production run of RevB Trainer Boards, if anyone has feedback on changes needed please submit them by the end of the week http://www.elinux.org/BeagleBoard_Trainer
  • [22:39:12] <mru> djlewis_: I may be confusing two beagles here
  • [22:39:18] <djlewis_> hehee
  • [22:39:22] <mru> I know some of mine ran .32-rc6 for a long time
  • [22:39:41] <ds2> a tail of 2 beagles... it was the best of times, it was the worse of times...
  • [22:40:06] <djlewis_> mru: just say you are on your own progression path, I'll believe ya :)
  • [22:41:21] * mru checks logs
  • [22:41:31] <mru> 2011-01-11 14:17 < mru> hmm, after 418 days uptime this poor beagle seems to have given up
  • [22:42:05] <mru> .32-rc6 was tagged 2009-11-03
  • [22:42:32] <djlewis_> well, I stay in the dark ages with fs versions.
  • [22:43:17] <djlewis_> perhaps it ran out of flash writes
  • [22:43:36] <mru> all nfs
  • [22:44:09] <mru> sometimes kernels just die, you know
  • [22:44:14] <djlewis_> you live fancy
  • [22:44:56] <mru> it was running continuous ffmpeg testing all that time too
  • [22:45:09] * djlewis_ is impatiently waiting for a laptop to update to vista sp1
  • [22:45:23] <ds2> neon-vfp co-existance issue?
  • [22:45:27] <mru> and it was a rev C0 prototype
  • [22:45:27] <djlewis_> worked the processor really good then
  • [22:46:57] <zandubalm> which one would be faster to develop GUI application: QT or GTK.?
  • [22:47:10] <ds2> Xlib
  • [22:47:21] <djlewis_> pixel poking
  • [22:48:30] * djlewis_ found it easy to do gtk with geany on bb
  • [22:51:08] <zandubalm> is it less resource intense compared to a QT application/.
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  • [22:53:16] <djlewis_> i didnt try QT
  • [22:53:43] <djlewis_> a lot of gnome apps are gtk based
  • [22:59:12] <aholler> you don't want to use gtk for a gui
  • [22:59:32] <aholler> at least not if you know c++
  • [23:00:04] <ds2> GUIs get gooey
  • [23:02:40] <zandubalm> is there a GTK form designer as in QT?
  • [23:05:13] <djlewis_> looks like gtkmm ia part of Angstrom
  • [23:05:47] <djlewis_> is under linux
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  • [23:08:41] <Plaui> anyone know how to write a file to the first (boot) FAT partition?
  • [23:09:09] <aholler> man cp
  • [23:12:11] <Plaui> well--i believe I copied the file to the first partition--does X-loader have to reside in specific sectors?
  • [23:12:43] <djlewis_> MLO first then the others is usuallt the order of the day
  • [23:12:57] <djlewis_> s/usuallt/usually
  • [23:13:05] <aholler> thats a myth
  • [23:13:28] <Plaui> any1 know a good source of instructions--most places I've come across have broken links--
  • [23:13:41] <Plaui> the place I am at now says to do X-loader first
  • [23:13:59] <djlewis_> you can read the mkcard script on the demo site
  • [23:14:44] <Plaui> Actually--X-loader and U-boot already came on the NAND from factory
  • [23:15:03] <djlewis_> seems the mkcard script only sets up the card anyway
  • [23:16:28] <Plaui> do u guys have beagleboards hooked up?
  • [23:17:05] <djlewis_> hmm, i feel so bad, mine is in a antistatic bag on the shelf atm
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  • [23:17:30] <Plaui> i am sitting at terminal--the current coming into the board is 357mA --and the chips are getting hot--is this normal?
  • [23:18:19] <djlewis_> you using too high input voltage, turn it off and test power source
  • [23:18:38] <Plaui> i did--power source is regulated 5V
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  • [23:18:53] <djlewis_> regulated A.C. ?
  • [23:19:01] <Plaui> regulated DC
  • [23:19:06] <djlewis_> :)
  • [23:19:13] <djlewis_> hot is not cool
  • [23:19:34] <ds2> what exactly is getting hot?
  • [23:19:36] <Plaui> well--they are a bit warmer than warm--should they be ambient?
  • [23:19:55] <ds2> are you using a USB coffee warmer or?
  • [23:20:21] <Plaui> i can keep my fingers on them--they are about as hot as a transformer on a consumer product like mobile phone gets
  • [23:20:23] <aholler> take them out of the sun
  • [23:20:25] <djlewis_> warm not equal hot
  • [23:20:40] <Plaui> they are somewhere in between warm and hot
  • [23:20:47] <djlewis_> XM?
  • [23:20:52] <Plaui> RevC
  • [23:21:17] <djlewis_> my revC2 only gets just barely warmer than ambient when it is running
  • [23:21:39] <djlewis_> now if it were overclocked
  • [23:21:55] <Plaui> so u think something is wrong?
  • [23:22:12] <djlewis_> like ds2 asked? which chips are hot/warm/warmer than ambient?
  • [23:22:37] <Plaui> i feel as if it goes in cycles--sometimes it gets hotter than other times--but its always sitting at terminal
  • [23:23:10] <Plaui> all of them get a bit hot--but i am mostly focusing on the OMAP and the other 2 large chips
  • [23:23:28] <ds2> 2 large?
  • [23:23:38] <djlewis_> :)
  • [23:23:40] <ds2> QFP410 and TPS65690/TWL4030?
  • [23:23:44] <Plaui> yes--i think 1 is the DSP and 1 is the power chip
  • [23:24:07] <ds2> if you have a sep DSP chip., you been swindled
  • [23:24:31] <Plaui> well--maybe not--i thought i remember there being a DSP chip--its some TI chip
  • [23:25:24] <ds2> is it a PQFP chip?
  • [23:25:24] <Plaui> whats weird is that there are scratches on top of the silver S-video and USB sockets--as if the board has already been used
  • [23:25:26] <ds2> or a BGA?
  • [23:26:52] <Plaui> the 3 largest chips--1 has the pins coming from the sides--the other two have the pins coming through the bottom
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  • [23:27:33] <Plaui> 2 BGA -- 1 PQFP
  • [23:27:51] <ds2> the PQFP is the DVI xmitter, it is known to get hot
  • [23:28:12] <ds2> the TWL4010 might get hot if you have stuff sucking power
  • [23:28:26] <ds2> do you have data lines conflicting? maybe stuff on the expansion ports?
  • [23:28:45] <ds2> as for the OMAP3/POP stack, it depends on what you are doing.
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  • [23:29:00] <Plaui> all thats connected is the UART to terminal screen
  • [23:29:04] <ds2> hard crunching with VFP/NEON/ARM along with DSP and SGX could get it warm
  • [23:29:14] <Plaui> there is nothing else happening
  • [23:29:15] <ds2> 347mA is not out of line for a non PM kernel though
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  • [23:29:48] * djlewis_ is obviously not working his BB hard enough to break a sweat :)
  • [23:30:50] <ds2> my notes says I recorded 333mA w/o any PM at all, i.e. in Uboot
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  • [23:31:15] <ds2> so 357mA is not too far out of line
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  • [23:31:39] <Plaui> well--i should be honest i suppose--but i really don't think this makes a difference--I had a 14V power supply running through a 7805 regulator--multimeter read 5V at the regulator output even with testing a couple resistor loads--it was plugged in for a minute when I noticed the regulator was REALLY hot--i unplugged everything--the regulator still works
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  • [23:31:43] <ds2> which rev of the board is it?
  • [23:31:46] <Plaui> C4
  • [23:32:17] <ds2> the 7805 has built in thermal shutdown
  • [23:32:24] <Plaui> that episode couldn't have damaged the board?
  • [23:32:35] <ds2> I doubt it
  • [23:32:37] <Plaui> I read that it does--but i've also read the thermal shutdown failing
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  • [23:32:42] <djlewis_> not likely
  • [23:32:48] <ds2> how are you measuring 357mA?
  • [23:32:56] <AlTheKiller> Sounds like about the right result for dump 9v over a 7805 :)
  • [23:33:00] <Plaui> 35.3mV across J2
  • [23:33:05] <djlewis_> a 7805's thermal shutdown consists of smoke
  • [23:33:38] <ds2> that's within 10% of my 333mA figure...chaulk it up to crummy non PM kernels ;)
  • [23:34:56] <ds2> Plaui: if you want to see my notes - http://www.hy-research.com/blog/beagle.html; RevB but it shouldn't have changed too much other then doubling the memory
  • [23:35:10] <djlewis_> and speed
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  • [23:35:46] <ds2> speed is the same
  • [23:36:00] <ds2> xM is what changes the speed but that is a die shrunk part
  • [23:36:01] <Plaui> ok thanks
  • [23:36:08] <mru> C4 is 720MHz
  • [23:36:14] <mru> C3 and earlier 600
  • [23:36:17] <djlewis_> isn't the C4 up to 700mHZ?
  • [23:36:23] <djlewis_> ok
  • [23:36:31] <ds2> right, C4...I was thinking of just plain vanilla C's
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