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  • [01:50:37] <TheLorax> what is the name of the serial device on the bb-xm? I can't get mine running atm and need ot know
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  • [02:38:30] <cwicks> Please go online, view their videos/photos and project pages and pick your favorite http://www.surveygizmo.com/s3/450171/Beagle-Board-Challenge-Voting
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  • [04:25:41] <jdv79> anyone know a good way to do servo driving, preferrably via i2c or spi...
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  • [04:56:25] <djlewis> there are i2c multi servo driver bds available
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  • [04:59:42] <djlewis> usually done with a pic or avr
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  • [05:46:28] <tewgewd> Anyone know if there is a branch of u-boot that has support for 1gb of micron nand?
  • [05:46:41] <tewgewd> 0xb3
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  • [06:59:54] <Victor__> Hi! Has anyone been able to get the Beagle Board to one of the low C-states? I have the latest demo angstrom with CPUIdle support and I can't seem to go lower than C0 :-\
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  • [07:13:38] <_av500_> what is c0?
  • [07:15:17] <Victor__> C0 is the first idle state
  • [07:15:41] <Victor__> The board recognizes 6 possible idle states C0-C5
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  • [07:22:45] <_av500_> yes, but what happens in c0?
  • [07:27:40] <Victor__> Not sure exactly. Some parts of the processor turn off, there is a slight drop off in power consumption when it is in that state (as opposed to the running state)
  • [07:27:53] <_av500_> these sleeps states are intel terms
  • [07:28:25] <Victor__> Yes, but they are sorta generalized by the Linux kernel. So it recognizes them as "states" it can give them any name
  • [07:28:38] <Victor__> at least the build I have keeps by the C# names
  • [07:29:21] <Victor__> I think the C-states have been a bit more generalized in x86/x86-64 land but not as well in ARM chips
  • [07:30:47] <Victor__> The kernel won't recognize the c-states of most chips even though the manufacture does have those capabilities built into the chip
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  • [10:43:03] <basti> hi
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  • [10:53:35] <faLUCE> is there any _serious_ project that a C++ developer can do with beagleboard?
  • [10:53:45] <av500> ?????
  • [10:54:10] <faLUCE> av500: In the website there are a lot of projects. but all of them seem hobby or fun
  • [10:54:30] <av500> yes, they have been proposed by fun lovin hobbyists
  • [10:54:44] <av500> feel free to propose a "serious" project
  • [10:55:28] <faLUCE> av500: I wonder if this board can be useful for sellable applications
  • [10:55:33] <koen> like a boost rewrite?
  • [10:55:42] <faLUCE> koen: ?
  • [10:55:58] <koen> a boost rewrite would be a serious c++ project
  • [10:56:23] <av500> faLUCE: sorry, your questions dont make sense
  • [10:56:56] <faLUCE> av500: on the contrary, it makes sense. well, it seems a great board, but usefult for what?
  • [10:57:00] <faLUCE> av500: on the contrary, it makes sense. well, it seems a great board, but useful for what?
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  • [10:57:32] <koen> av500 has a point
  • [10:57:40] <koen> it is a board that runs regular linux
  • [10:57:54] <koen> and QNX, wince, android and symbian
  • [10:58:15] <koen> so why do we need to define its usefullness for you?
  • [10:58:19] <faLUCE> koen: a lot of tablets run regular linux.
  • [10:58:26] <faLUCE> as well as netbooks
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  • [10:58:35] <faLUCE> so: for what could it be useful for?
  • [10:59:02] * koen suspects faLUCE got a homework assignment he wants others to solve for him
  • [11:00:34] <faLUCE> that's not the point... I find this board completely useless for everything. therefore I ask: what can people do with the board apart hobby and fun?
  • [11:02:38] <av500> faLUCE: one of the ideas behind this board was to make the omap3 accessible to people for hobby and fun
  • [11:03:32] <faLUCE> av500: yes, and therefore I ask: apart hobby and fun, can it be useful for othere applications?
  • [11:03:37] <av500> sure
  • [11:03:56] <av500> its a piece of HW, if you have an application where it fits, you can use it
  • [11:04:23] <faLUCE> av500: that's too generic.
  • [11:04:46] <av500> faLUCE: what are you trying to argue?
  • [11:04:51] <faLUCE> av500: if a piece of HW is a good basis for applications, this is told by the market
  • [11:04:57] <av500> if you dont think the BB suits your needs, then dont use/buy it
  • [11:05:10] <aholler> d??j?? vu
  • [11:05:16] <av500> yeah
  • [11:05:53] <faLUCE> av500: again, this is not polemic
  • [11:06:05] <av500> faLUCE: we are failing to see your point
  • [11:06:08] <Oltsu> i think it's a valid question, but the presentation is abit lacking
  • [11:06:24] <faLUCE> Oltsu: yes, sorry for the presentation
  • [11:06:44] <av500> faLUCE: there is e.g. a guy that has a thing that floats in the ocean and he is using the BB for that
  • [11:06:51] <av500> its solar powered and collects sensor data
  • [11:07:00] <faLUCE> I wander if this board is used elsewhere apart hobby and fun
  • [11:07:15] <aholler> buy a n900
  • [11:07:31] <av500> faLUCE: things is, we might not know where it is used
  • [11:07:42] <av500> not everybody who uses it registers a project or hangs out here
  • [11:08:16] <av500> but there is nothing that prevents your from doing a _serious_ project with it
  • [11:08:22] <faLUCE> av500: I see but I wander if it is used for other type of projects than fun. This is not a trivial question
  • [11:08:33] <aholler> and people who are having ideas for serious projects often don't want to give their idea away
  • [11:08:36] <faLUCE> I wonder
  • [11:08:48] <faLUCE> aholler: this is not true in the open source community
  • [11:08:58] <faLUCE> usually all the projects come out
  • [11:09:06] * DaveDavenport is using that board todo power measurements for my graduation project.
  • [11:09:08] <av500> faLUCE: this has nothing to do with open source
  • [11:09:25] <av500> you can do closed serious source projects with it
  • [11:09:32] <aholler> you are talking about a board, not software
  • [11:09:36] <av500> yep
  • [11:09:38] <faLUCE> av500: this is your supposition
  • [11:09:45] <av500> no, its a fact
  • [11:09:52] <faLUCE> av500: no, it's a supposition
  • [11:09:56] <av500> the BB hardware does not mandate open source SW
  • [11:10:33] <faLUCE> anyway, I see that you don't want to accept the inner meaning of my question
  • [11:10:42] <av500> I dont get it still...
  • [11:10:57] * DaveDavenport runs out to get some popcorn, this is fun.
  • [11:11:05] <faLUCE> that confirms, for me, that this board is a good product only for hobby and fun
  • [11:11:12] <faLUCE> like arduino, for example
  • [11:11:16] <DaveDavenport> faLUCE: education too
  • [11:11:27] <av500> and floating senser platforms
  • [11:11:31] <av500> sensor
  • [11:11:41] <faLUCE> av500: this is generic
  • [11:11:50] <av500> ?
  • [11:12:00] <DaveDavenport> they made a fancy 5 display cube here with 3 beagleboards for educational purposes
  • [11:12:00] <aholler> avrs and arduinos are used for many professional projects.
  • [11:12:17] <faLUCE> a platform with sensor, if not associated to something of specific, for me, is nothing.
  • [11:12:28] <av500> faLUCE: I told you about a specific project
  • [11:12:37] <Oltsu> i have one on my desk right now, that i'm using for development in a EU funded project, serious enough?
  • [11:12:43] <av500> that uses the BB in a floating sensor platform on the ocean to collect data
  • [11:12:57] <av500> for ocean research
  • [11:13:02] <av500> how is that generic?
  • [11:13:03] <faLUCE> Oltsu: what is it?
  • [11:13:12] <aholler> the ocean isn't serious ;)
  • [11:13:25] <Oltsu> it probably wont even end up in a finalized product, but i hardly think that was ever the intetion behind the conception of the bb
  • [11:13:28] <av500> it is fun at times :)
  • [11:13:49] <faLUCE> that are few things
  • [11:14:25] <Oltsu> faLUCE, http://sp.cs.tut.fi/mobile3dtv/
  • [11:15:23] <av500> Oltsu: do you have fun while worlking on it?
  • [11:15:47] <faLUCE> Oltsu: is that 3dtv with glasses?
  • [11:16:06] <Oltsu> with and without
  • [11:16:13] <av500> Oltsu: you talk to the dibcom guys?
  • [11:16:27] <Oltsu> the display device is only a part of the system
  • [11:16:55] <Oltsu> av500, nope
  • [11:18:01] <faLUCE> Oltsu: why don't use a common netbook or tablet, instead of a bboard, for that?
  • [11:18:14] <Oltsu> that is, havent talked to dibcom. about having fun..well, at the moment the fluctuations in my mood are caused by something else than the bb
  • [11:19:20] <faLUCE> Oltsu: again, I don't see the sense of this board instead of others, for such applications
  • [11:19:53] <faLUCE> that confirms that it's only hobby and fun stuff
  • [11:19:57] <av500> yes
  • [11:20:08] <Oltsu> faLUCE, we might need to plug some non-standard stuff in there, so the amount of connections available is nice
  • [11:20:10] <av500> happy now?
  • [11:21:06] <aholler> faLUCE: read the system manual, there you can find that this board isn't for serious usage
  • [11:21:22] <aholler> official
  • [11:21:26] <Oltsu> it's a niche product, but i wouldnt say that is a bad thing
  • [11:21:51] <faLUCE> aholler: really=
  • [11:21:53] <faLUCE> ?
  • [11:22:32] <Oltsu> if one were to actually build some mass-producted thingie with the same hardware, one would probably go to TI and get a huge batch of pure OMAP and go from there
  • [11:22:54] <av500> yes
  • [11:22:58] <faLUCE> Oltsu: that's right
  • [11:23:01] <av500> or have somebody make a BB clone
  • [11:23:07] <faLUCE> av500: exactly
  • [11:23:10] <av500> like one of the many clones that exist
  • [11:23:34] <av500> faLUCE: yes, but that still does not prevent you from usign the BB as is for a _serious_ project
  • [11:23:46] <faLUCE> av500: of course. but I can't see any.
  • [11:23:47] <aholler> faLUCE: http://beagleboard.org/static/BBSRM_latest.pdf read the first pages
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  • [11:24:09] <faLUCE> aholler: where exactly?
  • [11:24:10] <Oltsu> i could very well see the bb as the core of some limited edition, commercial product, where the amount of products on the market doesn't justify the costs of building an OMAP platform from the scratch
  • [11:24:20] <av500> faLUCE: absence of what you can see is not a proof for anything
  • [11:24:46] <Oltsu> it is kind of obvious that it can be done, so i dont think it has to be empirically proven by showing a product which does it
  • [11:24:47] <jacekowski> hmm, extension connector is 2x12?
  • [11:24:56] <av500> and as said, commercial produst are unlikely to be registered as a project on bb.org
  • [11:25:09] <aholler> atomic rays aren't existent ;)
  • [11:25:26] <faLUCE> aholler: absence shows many thing about the market
  • [11:25:42] <jacekowski> hmm, 2x14
  • [11:26:16] <aholler> which market?
  • [11:26:24] <av500> faLUCE: nice trolling, plonk
  • [11:27:00] <faLUCE> av500: when someone asks something different, that shows a problem, you call him "troll" ?
  • [11:27:58] <aholler> have a look at all the machines in big industry next to you, maybe you will get some idea for what you can use that board
  • [11:29:31] <Oltsu> it would be appropriate to pose the same question to companies like nokia, "why should one buy their products when there are rivals on the market that do x y and z", when their goal is to compete on the said market. it doesn't apply for a product like bb, that clearly isn't trying to compete with things like tablet pc:s and netbooks
  • [11:30:08] <aholler> it's a development board, like all dev-boards
  • [11:30:26] <Oltsu> it's usage in "fun and hobby" projects justifies it's existance, and the _fact_ that it is also suitable for "serious" projects is just an added bonus
  • [11:30:49] <aholler> and people who don't see serious usage in arduino's aren't serious
  • [11:30:53] <jacekowski> aholler: beagleboard is useless for most stuff like that
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  • [11:31:04] <jacekowski> aholler: too generic
  • [11:31:15] <jacekowski> nice development board but i wouldn't use it in final device
  • [11:31:51] <aholler> to develop a final device you need something to develop the final device
  • [11:32:14] <aholler> and developing final devices is serious, or isn't it?
  • [11:33:10] <jacekowski> nah
  • [11:33:25] <jacekowski> it's ussualy just playing with device and checking if anything usefull comes out
  • [11:33:50] <faLUCE> jacekowski: for me this means : waste of time
  • [11:33:51] <faLUCE> :)
  • [11:34:10] <aholler> yes, so please don't waste our time
  • [11:36:47] <aholler> jacekowski: so what would you use to develop e.g. a controller with gui for a machine which does xy?
  • [11:37:31] <jacekowski> outsource it to india
  • [11:37:48] <jacekowski> but it all depends on quantity
  • [11:37:50] <jacekowski> and x and y
  • [11:37:56] <aholler> yeah and getting unemployed
  • [11:38:18] <jacekowski> but beagle has no IOs that can be easily used
  • [11:38:26] <aholler> buy you
  • [11:38:31] <aholler> s/buy/by/
  • [11:38:54] <jacekowski> beagle is video/media mostly
  • [11:39:24] <aholler> no, it's an arm where you can attach stuff like an lcd and other things
  • [11:40:27] <jacekowski> so how do i sample 8 waveforms @200kS/s with 16 bit resolution
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  • [11:40:51] <aholler> how do i fly using the bb?
  • [11:41:14] <jacekowski> i need some input stage + ADC + some way of connecting ADC to beagle
  • [11:41:17] <jacekowski> and that's a problem
  • [11:41:28] <jacekowski> because there is no easy way to push that amount of data to it
  • [11:41:38] <aholler> than you have bought the wrong thing
  • [11:41:41] <av500> +1
  • [11:41:59] <jacekowski> exactly
  • [11:42:05] <jacekowski> beagle isn't going to solve all problems
  • [11:42:07] <jacekowski> multimedia ones
  • [11:42:11] <jacekowski> or something like that
  • [11:42:33] <jacekowski> but you seem to present it like it will solve world hunger and poverty and everything
  • [11:42:46] <aholler> no
  • [11:42:46] <av500> lol
  • [11:43:12] <jacekowski> btw. is anybody here going to fosdem?
  • [11:43:17] <av500> yup
  • [11:43:23] <jacekowski> who?
  • [11:43:24] <Nexton> jacekowski: Can't you use FPGA as a buffer and transfer data over MMC-bus (it can do 96MB/s). You "just" need to write an alternative driver for MMC2.
  • [11:43:26] <av500> meet me at the bb booth
  • [11:43:38] <jacekowski> Nexton: more chips
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  • [11:44:21] <jacekowski> Nexton: and more code
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  • [11:45:10] <Nexton> jacekowski: Well. If you'd prefer doing things in a simple way, then it might be better idea to use some other board (..as someone else already mentioned). :P
  • [11:45:40] <Nexton> I'm just saying that it _is_ possible.
  • [11:45:48] <jacekowski> everything is possible
  • [11:46:04] <jacekowski> but if i have fpga i can just make fpga talk directly to ADC and whatever the next device is
  • [11:46:16] <jacekowski> ( in my case some sort of storage device )
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  • [11:46:44] <jacekowski> av500: where will that be?
  • [11:49:28] <av500> jacekowski: I trust you to find it out :)
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  • [11:53:13] <jacekowski> i've just noticed that my meter lead has hole in it after what i've done yesterday
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  • [12:15:54] <etek> hi
  • [12:16:38] <etek> anyone know where I can purchase flyswatter jtag inindia
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  • [12:34:22] <basti> koen: does your standard qt linuxfb gfx driver work with your beagle framebuffer?
  • [12:36:52] <koen> it's not "my" driver, but yes, it does
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  • [12:41:14] <koen> av500: so apart from a professional, you are now serious as well
  • [12:43:07] <basti> did you use the mkspec and configure parameter from the TI tutorial?
  • [12:46:48] <basti> i used the -qt-gfx-linuxfb option to configure Qt but no output is written into the fb.. even though I run the app with -display Linuxfb:/dev/fb0 .. and the debug messages tell me that the framebuffer is successfully initialized..
  • [12:47:35] <basti> do you have an idea what I might have misconfigured?
  • [12:47:39] <av500> koen: yep
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  • [13:14:55] <koen> basti: no, I build everything using OE
  • [13:15:17] <koen> the TI tutorial is wrong in a lot of places
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  • [13:18:15] <av500> koen: seems I'm a _serious_ professional expert now
  • [13:19:31] <ericb2> hello
  • [13:19:48] <ericb2> there is something really wrong with my bb
  • [13:20:09] <ericb2> even using the null modem cable, I see nothing
  • [13:20:17] <koen> av500: I nearly fell off my chair when reading the mail you forwarded
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  • [13:20:58] <ericb2> maybe the cable is not correct ? I only connected the 2 / 3 and 5
  • [13:21:05] <basti> okay, thanks for the hint koen :)
  • [13:21:15] <aholler> try exchanging 2 and 3
  • [13:21:31] <ericb2> aholler: you mean 2 <-> 2 and 3<-> 3 ?
  • [13:21:52] <av500> ericb2: 2-3 and 3-2
  • [13:21:57] <ericb2> aholler: I did that
  • [13:21:58] <av500> tx tio rx and rx to tx
  • [13:22:21] <ericb2> av500: doing nothing at all. I got 4 gren leds
  • [13:22:22] <aholler> just exchange it, there are only two possiblilities
  • [13:22:24] <ericb2> green
  • [13:22:36] <av500> ericb2: sdcard inside?
  • [13:23:26] <ericb2> av500: yes. am I wrong ?
  • [13:23:40] <ericb2> av500: the one shipped with the BB
  • [13:24:30] <koen> "The lca-chat mailing list, which had mostly occupied itself with (1) making Brisbane's public transportation system seem much more complicated than it really is and (2) discussing the lack of toilet paper in one of the lodging choices"
  • [13:25:14] * av500 knows another channel where at least (1) might apply
  • [13:25:46] <av500> koen: is there a url scheme to search in angstrom repos?
  • [13:25:58] <av500> aka a premade query
  • [13:26:43] <koen> not sure what you mean
  • [13:27:10] <koen> but it's $releasename/$packageformat/$libc/$subarch/$feedname/foo.ipk
  • [13:27:31] <koen> most of the feeds are indexed at http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/
  • [13:28:26] <av500> yes, when I enter a search term there, I want an url that does the same
  • [13:28:47] <av500> ?pkgname= is for exact match, right?
  • [13:29:19] <av500> somethin like ?pkgquery=
  • [13:31:24] <aholler> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?pkgsearch=glx
  • [13:31:34] <aholler> just look at the source ;)
  • [13:31:36] <ericb2> av500: after some time, I got one blinking green led (nothing connected, excepted the power)
  • [13:31:57] <aholler> ericb2: then the kernel started
  • [13:33:02] <ericb2> aholler: you want to say : the kernel started to load something, or just is idle ?
  • [13:33:23] <aholler> when the kernel starts the led starts blinking
  • [13:33:23] <basti> koen: do I have to patch the Qt sources when I want to compile with OE or does OE take care of the 'wrong places' from the tutorial?
  • [13:34:03] <aholler> ericb2: but you should already see something before from u-boot on your serial
  • [13:34:56] <ericb2> aholler: ok, I'll investigate. Thanks
  • [13:35:12] <aholler> ericb2: if you use linux to look at the serial, try screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 (in case you are using an rs232<->usb-adapter)
  • [13:35:40] <aholler> ctrl-a shift-k to quit
  • [13:36:29] <av500> ericb2: do you have loopback if you connect 2 and 3?
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  • [13:36:46] <ericb2> av500: I think I did a mistake with the serial
  • [13:36:56] <ericb2> av500: I'll verify
  • [13:37:34] <ericb2> av500: I build the cable myself, so maybe something is wrong. I'll take a controler .. just in case
  • [13:40:55] <koen> basti: If you use angstrom with OE, it takes care of everything
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  • [13:41:20] <av500> basti: i even potty trained my kids!!
  • [13:41:25] <av500> basti: it even potty trained my kids!!
  • [13:41:28] <av500> :)
  • [13:41:36] <basti> :D
  • [13:41:44] <basti> that's nice :)
  • [13:43:05] <Nexton> ericb2: Disconnect the cable from bb and try connecting pins 2 and 3 together. This should echo data back to your computer when you transmit something to the port.
  • [13:44:11] <Nexton> If this works, the problem is likely in the ground cable (or you have misinterpreted the pin numbers...).
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  • [13:46:22] <ericb2> Nexton: let me give it a try
  • [13:47:00] <cwillu_at_work> koen, did anything ever happen with this? http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-omap@vger.kernel.org/msg21432.html
  • [13:50:58] <ericb2> Nexton: my nude cable has one male and one female part : joining them, I see the ground ok with the ground and 2 / 3 switched as expected. Maybe a bad contact somewhere ?
  • [13:51:04] <ericb2> Nexton: something strange :
  • [13:51:24] <ericb2> when I do "tail -f /var/log/message" in another term, I see nothing
  • [13:54:10] <aholler> what do you want to see there?
  • [13:54:23] <av500> messages
  • [13:54:43] <ericb2> aholler: messages form the Linux kernel, saying I connected something
  • [13:54:49] <ericb2> s/form/from/
  • [13:54:54] <av500> no
  • [13:55:03] <av500> no message for connecting a serial
  • [13:55:06] <aholler> you will only see them if you connect something ;)
  • [13:55:06] <av500> how would it know?
  • [13:55:29] <ericb2> av500: no idea, some trace form the serial driver, or something like that
  • [13:55:41] <av500> no
  • [13:55:51] <av500> how would it know that something has been connected?
  • [13:56:18] <aholler> you will something when you connect an usb-device, but not for a normal serial
  • [13:56:27] <aholler> s/will/will see/
  • [13:56:39] <ericb2> aholler: ah, ok. I believed it was the same with all devices
  • [13:56:52] <aholler> a normal serial is always connected
  • [13:57:19] <aholler> (the chip)
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  • [14:01:11] <ericb2> other thing : is it normal that ethernet light does nothing when connected ?
  • [14:02:30] <ericb2> ah no .. .the ethernet seems to work somewhat
  • [14:02:56] <aholler> than try ssh to the box
  • [14:03:26] <ericb2> I'll read the wiki page. Thanks
  • [14:04:25] * ericb2 glad to see something is alive :-)
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  • [14:13:18] <koen> cwillu_at_work: no updates on vrfb
  • [14:13:36] <koen> cwillu_at_work: but they did add xrandr support, but that doesn't work 100% yet
  • [14:13:41] <basti> koen: is there a recipe for qt4.7.1 embedded with powervr
  • [14:13:56] <basti> or do I have to write one
  • [14:14:21] <cwillu_at_work> koen, k, thanks
  • [14:15:54] <koen> basti: no 4.7.1 with powervr yet
  • [14:15:58] <koen> shouldn't be hard to add
  • [14:16:26] <basti> okay, so the last powervr recipe is 4.6.3?
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  • [14:17:23] <koen> yes
  • [14:17:38] <koen> and powervr only makes qglwidget faster and everything else slower
  • [14:17:50] <koen> so if your app is 2d, don't use powervr
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  • [14:19:59] <basti> but the non-GLWidget Widgets are rendered without powervr and GL engine anyways, or not?
  • [14:27:47] <djlewis> gm :) so someone wanted to be serious this morning ;)
  • [14:31:19] <av500> djlewis: :)
  • [14:32:06] <koen> basti: with gl anywayws
  • [14:32:13] <koen> it's a design flaw in qt
  • [14:32:27] <koen> lighthouse is supposed to fix that, but keeps getting moved to qt +1
  • [14:36:20] <basti> okay..
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  • [14:39:33] <ericb2> searching since a while, but I don't find the default ip adress for the BB. Is dhcp used by default ?
  • [14:39:59] <djlewis> no default MAC either
  • [14:40:49] <djlewis> if you have access to your dhcp server you might check its log
  • [14:40:56] <djlewis> a serial console connection is best
  • [14:41:01] <djlewis> for diags
  • [15:01:31] <basti> koen: in the qt docs, nokia writes: "Using OpenGL ES to accelerate regular widgets as well as compositing top-level windows with OpenGL ES are not currently supported".
  • [15:02:51] <basti> this is different when the pvr driver is used?
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  • [15:32:38] <xxiao> how to play the media clips included in TI's froyo2.2 prebuilt images? i can see the photos fine, but don't know how to play the video clips there
  • [15:32:52] <xxiao> do I need install some apk to play it
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  • [15:35:38] <ericb2> ok, got the USB mouse, and the keyboard working
  • [15:35:57] <ericb2> remains the DVI ..
  • [15:36:45] <ericb2> just to be sure: I connected the HDMI / DVI cable to the BB before to put the power on, as described in the doc. Is it correct ?
  • [15:37:21] <ericb2> maybe the DVI displays nothing because i tested on my TV, and not on a simple LCD screen
  • [15:37:47] <aholler> yes, there is no support for edid, you have to define the resolution using boot.scr
  • [15:37:48] <ericb2> the TV is high resolution 1900 x something or so
  • [15:38:13] <muriani> 1980x1080?
  • [15:38:29] <muriani> 1280x720 will usually work
  • [15:38:41] <ericb2> no idea . I say that from memory (when I bought the TV, approx. one year ago )
  • [15:38:50] <muriani> and yeah, it needs to be defined in uboot
  • [15:38:55] <muriani> either manually or via boot.scr
  • [15:39:11] <muriani> well, technically it's manual either way
  • [15:39:11] <ericb2> boot.scr is a file, and I need to edit it, right ?
  • [15:39:43] <aholler> you'll have to use mkimage, check the tutorials
  • [15:39:55] <muriani> IIRC, you need to strip the header, edit, and then use mkimage to remake it
  • [15:40:00] <ericb2> aholler: I'll do. Anyway, I think I progressed today :)
  • [15:40:16] <koen> jkridner: ping
  • [15:40:39] <ericb2> the only thing I need to figure out, is why oh why the serial does not work. I tester with the multimeter, and it should work
  • [15:40:43] <aholler> I would prefer uEnv.txt, but my patch still waits for an ack ;)
  • [15:40:47] <ericb2> maybe my Linux is wrong
  • [15:41:07] <ericb2> s/tester/tested/
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  • [16:02:55] <djlewis> Animule: you keeping warm up there?
  • [16:03:17] <GrueMaster> Does anyone know the changes between the BeagleXM A2 and Rev B boards? beagleboard.org doesn't have any updated documentation, and I already know that DVI out is now controlled by a previously unused gpio starting with A3. Need to know what other changes are there so Ubuntu users can continue using the boards.
  • [16:04:06] <koen> only a new revision of the CPU
  • [16:04:11] <koen> no sw changes needed
  • [16:04:38] <GrueMaster> Ok. Still it would be nice to have that in the SRM so others won't ask.
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  • [16:08:01] <rcn-ee_at_work> hey koen any chance do you have an eta, whch the "Rev C" should be showing up, GrueMaster might need that one usb change..
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  • [16:16:02] <koen> rcn-ee_at_work: not sure, the sw isn't done yet afaik
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  • [16:18:49] <basti> koen: so in case of using the pvr plugin, why can't the raster engine render into that context?
  • [16:19:30] <xxiao> anyone is using rowboat here for Beagle?
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  • [16:20:32] <xxiao> can you checkout the manifest fully? i had to change the gallery3D to gallery3d to checkout the source, reported a bug on this, but maybe i'm missing sth?
  • [16:20:48] <av500> maybe ask in #rowboat
  • [16:21:00] <xxiao> rowboat is a dead channel
  • [16:21:12] <av500> says a lot about the project, no?
  • [16:21:36] <xxiao> it's an obvious bug to me, but nobody ever acked, and it's in TI's official release too, i don't get it
  • [16:22:21] <xxiao> av500: while rowboat is not responsive, i think there are a small team sponsored by TI that is working with it
  • [16:22:49] <xxiao> av500: which sadly, when it's sponsored, it's not a very good community
  • [16:23:21] <av500> xxiao: might be, but said team does not hang out here either
  • [16:23:47] <xxiao> more like paid-contractors i feel, anyway
  • [16:24:07] <av500> xxiao: I have seen rowboat announces on the BB ml, maybe reply to them there?
  • [16:24:36] <xxiao> i replied there twice, filled out bug report on their homepage, nothing
  • [16:25:13] <mru> bogomips, is that another name for the loongson?
  • [16:25:16] <xxiao> i'm going to knock the release engineer's door if the weather is nice
  • [16:25:36] <av500> xxiao: sure
  • [16:25:57] <av500> xxiao: if a project "smells" dead, it mabye just is
  • [16:26:38] <koen> "it's not dead, it just smells funny"
  • [16:26:46] <xxiao> av500: in the android-for-beagle scenario, that seems the only option though, and TI's release is based on that solely.
  • [16:27:07] <xxiao> av500: i just think they're too busy, but still....
  • [16:27:43] <av500> xxiao: well, hope dies last....
  • [16:28:27] <av500> actually, rowboat is quite interesting as they replaced bridge codecs with link ones in android, I would have needed that one year ago :)
  • [16:28:32] <xxiao> actually i was thinking about this the other day, is TI too india these days?
  • [16:29:00] <xxiao> the chip, the software, it's more like an india company daily
  • [16:29:04] <xxiao> all made there
  • [16:29:18] <av500> xxiao: parts of it are too much "ti" these days...
  • [16:29:33] <mru> Texas India?
  • [16:29:47] <mru> cowboys & indians
  • [16:29:51] <koen> TII is their offical acronym
  • [16:29:54] <xxiao> i mean the highend, the 8168 is designed in india, usually the low-to-median chips are outsouced
  • [16:29:59] <xxiao> mru: that's a good one
  • [16:30:18] <av500> yeah, most of TI stuff is outsourced to MicroChip
  • [16:30:23] <mru> no disrespect to indians
  • [16:30:26] <mru> or texans
  • [16:30:30] <av500> and to Maxim for the unavailable parts
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  • [16:31:07] <xxiao> unless they grasp the core tech locally, it's hard to compete with nvidia,etc later on.
  • [16:31:08] <mdp> xxiao, rowboat is an opportunity...waiting for maintainers
  • [16:31:29] <xxiao> mdp: where did you see that? i could help if needed actually
  • [16:31:42] <aholler> porting android to the beagleboard?
  • [16:31:53] <xxiao> aholler: it's ported mostly
  • [16:31:59] <aholler> ah ;)
  • [16:32:19] <mdp> xxiao, I'm just saying...I know the team and they are buried in some other work..so little time
  • [16:32:35] <aholler> I just wanted to say the P-word ;)
  • [16:32:39] <koen> I wish someone would port android to beagle
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  • [16:33:37] <mdp> xxiao, if they don't take patches, ask for write access
  • [16:34:39] <av500> if they dont listen, ask for shout access :)
  • [16:34:55] <xxiao> just read TI's release, 3730's suspend power consumption is 85mW
  • [16:35:51] <av500> offmode?
  • [16:36:00] <xxiao> av500: kind of
  • [16:36:19] <av500> sounds wrong
  • [16:36:38] <xxiao> well it's in their 'known issues' list
  • [16:36:54] <xxiao> that's the best power mgmt they can get in this new release
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  • [16:49:45] <jacekowski> as in ready made working package
  • [16:51:35] <av500> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?pkgname=mono
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  • [22:17:50] <mikkelbg> does anyone know of a good tutorial on how to use i/o on the beagleboard xm?
  • [22:18:40] <djlewis_> a lot is hidden amongst the logs of this IRC channel and the mail list
  • [22:19:19] <mikkelbg> Is the maillist the one I can find at google groups?
  • [22:19:29] <djlewis_> yes
  • [22:20:23] <djlewis_> look up pinmux
  • [22:20:43] <mikkelbg> okay thanks
  • [22:20:53] <djlewis_> there is some older inof here: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardPinMux
  • [22:21:10] <mikkelbg> is it the same as for older versions of the board?
  • [22:22:11] <mikkelbg> hey, thats a great link - just what i've been looking for :)
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  • [23:56:17] <k3nt> is there a popular choice for an touch lcd screen with the xM
  • [23:58:13] <buZz> i guess the beagletouch could come to mind