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  • [00:09:00] <DesktopMa> doesn't the otg only supply 100ma?
  • [00:09:13] <DesktopMa> or am I remembering wrong
  • [00:11:48] <ds2> OTG as in spec or the port?
  • [00:12:46] <DesktopMa> the port
  • [00:13:03] <ds2> I think the charge pump on there is limited to 100mA
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  • [00:15:01] <DesktopMa> been a while since I looked at the usb situation, but it struck me weird that one port can't take full speed devices while the other can't power many full speed devices
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  • [00:34:15] <cwillu> DesktopMa, it's only weird at a fairly superficial level
  • [00:35:48] <cwillu> pushing amps through a wire is a rather different problem than speaking multiple protocols
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  • [00:37:24] <cwillu> ouch
  • [00:37:39] <cwillu> """ESTIMATED LEADTIME IF PURCHASED TODAY IS 22-24 WEEKS"""
  • [00:38:46] <cwillu> and they also want me to order four hundred and ten units
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  • [01:05:18] <ds2> HUBs
  • [01:08:52] <cwillu> SWITCHES
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  • [01:15:48] <emeb> ROUTERS
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  • [01:25:22] <tub_girl> SPOKES
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  • [01:34:50] <ds2> Gimme wheel!
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  • [03:59:54] <coppermine> ?
  • [04:02:46] <thurbad> not sure what it does beyond putting the screen to sleep
  • [04:03:01] <coppermine> trying to see if its feasible to run it off solar
  • [04:03:13] <coppermine> 24/7
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  • [08:58:45] <hitlin37> is there a eabi cross compiler that uses armcc?
  • [09:04:59] <_av500_> ???
  • [09:05:59] <hitlin37> cs eabi cross compiler uses arm-gcc....im looking for something similar that uses armcc
  • [09:07:06] <_av500_> cs is gcc
  • [09:07:10] <_av500_> armcc is armcc
  • [09:08:18] <hitlin37> then how to generate eabi code from armcc
  • [09:08:34] <_av500_> is it not eabi?
  • [09:09:59] <hitlin37> well i generated arm/linux code using armcc+cs as a plugin
  • [09:10:21] <_av500_> plugin?
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  • [09:19:51] <hitlin37> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.dai0212a/CJGGHBDJ.html
  • [09:20:26] <hitlin37> this..leave that....but are you sure android ndk uses same abi
  • [09:21:39] <_av500_> yes, eabi
  • [09:23:34] <hitlin37> plus ..one more doubt...i have some libraries that i can only compile with armcc(because of some assembly files)..with cs linux edition..it throws error wherever ther's assembly code..i understand..but i compile the same thing with cs eabi lite edition..and it compiled successfully
  • [09:23:36] <hitlin37> why
  • [09:27:17] <hitlin37> and this page http://developer.android.com/sdk/ndk/index.html says Android-specific ABI
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  • [10:06:07] <hitlin37> going home now.....happy weekend
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  • [10:10:19] <mru> there is nothing android-specific about thumb2 or vfp
  • [10:10:40] <mru> it's all in the arm eabi
  • [10:11:14] <mru> what they probably mean is that android used to restrict the abi to v5 or v6 and now doesn't do that anymore
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  • [10:41:01] <jkridner|work1> good morning
  • [10:41:45] <mru> morning jkridner|work1
  • [10:42:02] <jkridner|work1> FYI: starting trying to publish some automated test results: http://arago-project.org/testresults/. Just C6000 right now, but should be BeagleBoard/OMAP3 soon.
  • [10:42:18] <jkridner|work1> I'm going to be out of pocket for 3 weeks for vacation. :)
  • [10:52:13] <jkridner|work1> (more time for av500 to play :) )
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  • [11:01:40] <_av500_> he
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  • [11:10:17] <steve_> Hi,
  • [11:10:21] <steve_> anyone?
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  • [11:10:59] <virals> Hi
  • [11:11:08] <virals> steve_: Hi
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  • [13:14:38] <hitlin37> thanks mru..will look into it
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  • [15:12:35] <landswipe> is it worth upgrade to xm for android development?
  • [15:13:56] <XorA> depends
  • [15:17:22] <mru> faster cpu
  • [15:17:30] <mru> you can see your apps crash even faster :-)
  • [15:17:49] <XorA> like win98, it can boot and crash at the same time
  • [15:18:11] <XorA> really depends if you need the new features
  • [15:18:20] <XorA> or whether waiting for a working panda model is better
  • [15:19:01] <mru> panda is a different beast entirely
  • [15:19:18] <landswipe> what is panda all about?
  • [15:19:24] <mru> bamboo
  • [15:19:33] <landswipe> and bamboo?
  • [15:19:36] <ynezz> not a dog anymore
  • [15:19:43] <XorA> different dept of TI
  • [15:20:04] <XorA> panda if it ever works is cool
  • [15:20:07] <landswipe> oh, what happened at TI then?
  • [15:20:12] <dm8tbr> OMAP4, which is not even a product yet
  • [15:20:46] <mru> the panda sitting in front of me seems to be working quite well
  • [15:21:06] <landswipe> oh i see
  • [15:21:07] <ynezz> still with slow mem?
  • [15:21:41] <mru> at least it beats the beagle now
  • [15:21:48] <mru> with some clock tweaking
  • [15:21:50] <landswipe> i see...
  • [15:22:00] <landswipe> so another dept of TI competing with newer omap
  • [15:22:13] * XorA had to give back his 4430 :-(
  • [15:23:15] <landswipe> it looks like it is still early days for panda though
  • [15:23:23] <mru> they're shipping
  • [15:23:30] <ynezz> mru: so its all just a config issue?
  • [15:23:34] <mru> ynezz: no
  • [15:23:40] <mru> but overclocking helps a bit
  • [15:23:53] <landswipe> no android support ;P
  • [15:23:56] <ynezz> so we can expect another revision, right
  • [15:24:06] <mru> ES2.2 is in the works
  • [15:24:12] <mru> it should improve some things
  • [15:24:12] <ynezz> ah, so
  • [15:24:30] <ynezz> I'll wait for 3.0 then
  • [15:24:33] <ynezz> :p
  • [15:24:35] <mru> but I'm afraid part of the memory badness is inherent in the design
  • [15:24:56] <mru> something in the path between the A9 and the ddr is crippling it
  • [15:25:03] <ynezz> would be nice to compare it with the tegra
  • [15:25:19] <mru> tegra memory interface is much faster
  • [15:25:27] <mru> tegra2
  • [15:26:29] <ynezz> hm
  • [15:27:19] <XorA> will be interesting to see which ARM license comes with a properly capable CPU first :-)
  • [15:27:26] <ynezz> :)
  • [15:27:56] <XorA> cant wait until my phone/netbook/tablet are the same device
  • [15:28:07] <mru> ffmpeg with neon is still much faster on omap4 than tegra
  • [15:28:18] <ssvb> I just wonder how did TI compare memory bandwidth vs. tegra2 :) http://www.slashgear.com/texas-instruments-omap4-hands-on-0172231/
  • [15:28:35] <ssvb> "it has significantly more memory bandwidth than Tegra 2 which means it?s better at multitasking" is an interesting claim
  • [15:29:15] <ynezz> even without benchmark, hm :p
  • [15:29:47] <mru> both have ddr2 interface
  • [15:30:01] <mru> so claiming that either has "significantly more" bandwidth is bogus
  • [15:30:45] <mru> the problem with the omap4 is that even the fastest memcpy I could find only uses 13% of the full bandwidth
  • [15:30:58] <mru> if the perf counters are to be trusted
  • [15:32:11] <ynezz> looks like heavilly crippled
  • [15:32:21] <mru> exactly
  • [15:32:46] <ynezz> maybe it's intention to prevent overheating
  • [15:33:11] <mru> hopefully other parts of the chip can use the remaining bandwidth
  • [15:33:16] <mru> or at least part of it
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  • [16:34:59] <ben_kludged> beagleboardubuntu maverick on c4 cant get bb otg usb net to ubuntu pc host i tried everything, bbubuntu dont have the g_ether is there another module?
  • [16:35:36] <_av500_> g_ether or bust
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  • [16:44:57] <ben_kludged> hmmm me did the beagleboardubuntu demo install the g_ether ko gadget dont seem to be present in modules is there a full_modules.tar for this os availavle?
  • [16:49:14] <aholler> get the kernel and build it by yourself
  • [16:49:40] <rcn-ee> ben_kludged, it's builtin..
  • [16:49:51] <rcn-ee> hence no module..
  • [16:51:52] <ben_kludged> i be usin the otg port and configged the usb0 device in interfaces when boots gets address and my buntu pc shows usb0: register 'cdc_eem'
  • [16:52:18] <ben_kludged> networks are configged but no traffic
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  • [16:52:55] <rcn-ee> ben_kludged, check your config against http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking it's works just fine for 'other' users..
  • [16:53:10] <rcn-ee> config/network config
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  • [17:06:05] <ben_kludged> as the module is static then the config should be pretty much the way i get all narcissus/angstrom dists to communicate and as i see from the moko thang my config conforms
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  • [17:50:29] <ksinkar> BeagleBot: hi
  • [17:52:28] <ben_kludged> sure would rather run buntu on beagle
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  • [19:04:16] <gorillasmash> how can i autoboot a program on beagleboard running angstrom?
  • [19:05:12] <topfs2> usually depends on when you want to autoboot it. i.e. at what time of the boot
  • [19:05:20] <topfs2> After gnome you do it in gnome somewhere
  • [19:05:26] <topfs2> after kernel you do it elsewhere
  • [19:05:50] <mru> you say that as if gnome were a given
  • [19:06:18] <gorillasmash> after kernel i want to autoboot a program
  • [19:06:36] <gorillasmash> do i just move the executable file to a specific directory?
  • [19:06:36] * mru wouldn't call that "boot"
  • [19:06:49] <mru> do you mean you want to start something when booting the system?
  • [19:07:54] <gorillasmash> yeah
  • [19:08:02] <gorillasmash> start a program i wrote
  • [19:08:12] <mru> what system?
  • [19:08:16] <gorillasmash> that way i don't have to log in and use terminal
  • [19:08:19] <gorillasmash> angstrom
  • [19:08:30] <mru> and sort of program is this?
  • [19:09:01] <gorillasmash> its a c++ program that takes input from the keyboard and outputs to the gpio ports
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  • [19:13:45] <dm8tbr> does angstrom have rc.local?
  • [19:14:01] <gorillasmash> What I normally do to run it is this: 1. Login, 2. Open terminal, 3. "./PROGRAM". what would be the easiest way to just have the program run as soon as it boots, without the need to log in
  • [19:14:08] <mru> dm8tbr: sounds like the wrong place
  • [19:14:17] <mru> gorillasmash: is this a gui app?
  • [19:14:34] <gorillasmash> no, it runs in the terminal
  • [19:14:50] <mru> do you want it to run in xterm or similar?
  • [19:14:51] <topfs2> mru, pfft. gnome is always given :) (and I just wanted to point out how much it can differ :) )
  • [19:14:55] <mru> or directly on the console?
  • [19:16:08] <gorillasmash> the program runs a couple "system(commands)", I don't need to see any output... In fact I won't have a screen connected
  • [19:16:22] <topfs2> I usually put stuff like that in rc.local but its mainly because I'm lazy.. its usually wrong :)
  • [19:16:51] <mru> but you say it reads input from the keyboard?
  • [19:17:02] <mru> by keyboard, do you mean stdin?
  • [19:17:50] <gorillasmash> yes it reads input from the keyboard using the curses library
  • [19:18:07] <aholler> that won't work without an login
  • [19:18:36] <gorillasmash> is there a way to have it automatically log in?
  • [19:18:37] <dm8tbr> well he could bind it to the tty from inittab
  • [19:19:10] <mru> yes, inittab is underrated
  • [19:19:28] <mru> just replace one of the getty commands
  • [19:19:50] <aholler> but than don't forget the environment will be complete empty
  • [19:21:02] <aholler> a passwordless login and starting the prg in .login or something could be better
  • [19:21:50] <dm8tbr> you can have a getty autologin
  • [19:21:57] <gorillasmash> aholler, would that be easily accomplished?
  • [19:22:19] <gorillasmash> so a getty autologin and starting the program in .login would work?
  • [19:23:03] <dm8tbr> IIRC mingetty can do the automatic login
  • [19:23:31] <mru> reading getty man pages is always fun
  • [19:23:40] <mru> all that talk about modems and baud rates
  • [19:25:52] <aholler> gorillasmash: use .profile, I always got confused when it comes to .login, .bashrc, o.profile or whatever, but .profile should work
  • [19:26:04] <thurbad> in angstrom it's .profile that runs when you login
  • [19:26:16] <mru> that depends on the shell
  • [19:26:20] <thurbad> yes
  • [19:26:22] <aholler> you can read up that in the shell
  • [19:26:40] <mru> bash looks for .bash_profile, .bash_login, and .profile
  • [19:26:47] <mru> when it's a login shell
  • [19:26:54] <mru> a non-login bash runs .bashrc
  • [19:26:59] <aholler> for bb .profile works
  • [19:27:16] <mru> also /etc/profile on login of course
  • [19:27:36] <aholler> (bb = busbox)
  • [19:29:49] <gorillasmash> so if I understand correctly: .profile is the shell startup file, like autoexec.bat in windows, correct?
  • [19:30:00] <mru> no
  • [19:31:06] <gorillasmash> alright, back to reading then :P
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  • [19:48:45] <gorillasmash> is there a way to see the booting up process take place instead of the loading bar and splash screen in angstrom?
  • [19:52:05] <ds2> a
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  • [20:32:01] * koen stabs US goverment sites
  • [20:32:19] <koen> the consulate site has dead links to the esta site
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  • [20:34:48] <mru> esta, is that the visa-in-all-but-name thing?
  • [20:34:53] <koen> ye
  • [20:34:54] <koen> s
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  • [20:40:09] * XorA cant wait to get nekkid in the US again
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  • [20:45:32] <Crofton> hmm
  • [20:45:45] <Crofton> XorA, you frighten me
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  • [20:46:54] <XorA> Crofton: ???
  • [20:47:09] <XorA> Crofton: I went through the back scatter doohickeys ages ago
  • [20:47:10] <Crofton> getting nekkid in the USA
  • [20:47:14] <Crofton> ah
  • [20:47:19] <XorA> before all the fus
  • [20:47:22] <XorA> I quite like them
  • [20:47:40] <Crofton> we are going to propose research into creating android gropers
  • [20:47:50] <XorA> google gropers?
  • [20:47:50] <Crofton> based on the table Josh made last night
  • [20:47:58] <Crofton> that I posted on facebook
  • [20:48:01] <XorA> I saw
  • [20:48:11] <XorA> google search getting a bit personal
  • [20:48:14] <Crofton> no working out sexual orientation of people
  • [20:48:15] <Crofton> heh
  • [20:48:51] <Crofton> I've updated alsa-plugins and utils, checking to see if this puts the knobs back on
  • [20:49:10] <XorA> keep you knobs to yourself and the back scatter :-)
  • [20:49:26] <Crofton> you just enjoy flashing the guy in the booth
  • [20:49:32] <koen> Crofton: aren;t the knobs defined by the kernel?
  • [20:49:40] <Crofton> the big headache is the waste of money
  • [20:49:42] * XorA should get a prince albert for fun
  • [20:50:01] <Crofton> yeah, but I think alsamixer does not use them properly
  • [20:50:08] * Crofton clutches his groin
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  • [21:34:15] <PsyX> hey, quick question
  • [21:34:33] <mru> maybe
  • [21:34:37] <mru> try and see
  • [21:34:41] <mru> it depends
  • [21:34:55] <PsyX> and I wish it was hypothetical. So C101 pretty much exploded due to running 11.1V to the beagleboard. What are the chances that I can just replace it and get the BB working again?
  • [21:35:20] <mru> not even 12V... what has the world come to?
  • [21:35:28] <PsyX> lipo batteries :P
  • [21:35:51] <PsyX> but no really, seeing as it's a capacitor, any chance that it is the only component damaged?
  • [21:36:02] * mru recommends liion, king of batteries
  • [21:36:09] <mru> try and see
  • [21:36:16] <mru> which beagle rev?
  • [21:36:22] <PsyX> c4
  • [21:36:40] <PsyX> I was wondering if that cap was supposed sort of do that to protect it from overvoltage
  • [21:36:49] <PsyX> a breaker or fuse of some sort
  • [21:36:50] <mru> C101? that's nowhere near the power circuits
  • [21:37:04] <PsyX> hmm, let me double check
  • [21:37:05] <mru> xm has overvoltage protection
  • [21:37:14] <mru> it was added because of people like you
  • [21:38:53] <PsyX> well, not to not blame myself, but the rotor hit the temporary circuit on the breadboard causing a short, bypassing the 5v regulator
  • [21:39:18] <mru> oops
  • [21:39:33] <mru> anyway, C101 looks like it's mounted between +5 and GND
  • [21:39:46] <mru> so it would be exposed to whatever you connect
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  • [21:40:57] <mru> how long was the overvoltage connected?
  • [21:41:25] <mru> I've heard of beagles miraculously surviving rather brutal assaults by high voltage
  • [21:42:00] <PsyX> um, 1 second or so
  • [21:42:09] <PsyX> yeah, its part of the USB circuitry ithink
  • [21:42:24] <PsyX> our beagle did in fact handle an overvoltage similar to this before
  • [21:42:26] <PsyX> for a good 5 seconds
  • [21:42:28] <PsyX> and survived
  • [21:42:41] <PsyX> however, this time, there were sparks
  • [21:42:42] <PsyX> lots of em
  • [21:42:57] * mru likes fireworks
  • [21:44:33] <PsyX> yeah, poking the capacitor pretty much crumbled it... no need for desoldering :P
  • [21:45:25] <mru> I've seen components fried so badly one couldn't even say how may pins they'd had
  • [21:46:43] <PsyX> I've had a modem get fried because lightning hit the phone lines nearby
  • [21:46:49] <PsyX> one component literally had a hole in it
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  • [22:25:07] <djlewis> well, if the beagleboard was shorted, then the lpo would have blown into flames and toxic gasses.
  • [22:25:16] <djlewis> s/lpo/lipo
  • [22:26:55] <djlewis> but any decent ipo can put out far more current than a beagleboard component can withstand
  • [22:27:02] <djlewis> not counting the metal parts
  • [22:27:48] <djlewis> my 3c 2A rated lipo can deliver 25Amps easily.
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