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[02:10:01] <djlewis> prepareing to fire up the ol BB after several months of being dormant...
[02:13:04] <djlewis> so far so good with a gold dvi display and a good serial console
[02:14:03] <djlewis> ol, cool. u-boot shows the trainer
[02:27:22] <emeb|mac> djlewis: training?
[02:27:41] <djlewis> hehee, yep, getting my feet wet anyways
[02:28:06] <djlewis> now to learn how to talk with the booger in the fs
[02:28:12] <emeb|mac> did the c97 patch fix yer EHCI?
[02:28:24] <djlewis> havent plugged any usb in yet
[02:28:58] <djlewis> got a bunch of usb goodies right here though
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[02:30:00] <emeb|mac> mine works fine with the wifi dongle
[02:30:07] <emeb|mac> but doesn't like a cheap hub
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[02:33:54] <djlewis> my bb seems warmer than before
[02:34:50] <djlewis> seems i never tweaked my wifi on this fs
[02:35:20] <djlewis> or is it waiting on me to log onto gui :)
[02:35:37] * djlewis plugs in ps2 mouse and kybd
[02:35:51] <emeb|mac> ps2->usb gadget?
[02:35:52] <djlewis> oh, need power for usb
[02:35:54] <djlewis> hub
[02:35:57] <djlewis> yes
[02:36:43] <djlewis> perhaps the walwart on the usb hub will cool BB down
[02:41:05] <djlewis> my cyberpower hub may be in the cheap class
[02:41:24] <emeb|mac> its hard to tell good from bad
[02:42:03] <djlewis> hmm getting usb reset error -71
[02:42:16] <djlewis> came up fine first time on bb power
[02:46:25] <djlewis> hmm, comes up in gadget mode
[02:48:17] <djlewis> ok, ehci is up again after several reboots
[02:48:23] <djlewis> and a belkin hub
[02:49:53] <djlewis> i feel so powerful working to systems and two screens ;P
[02:54:30] <djlewis> this ps2 2 usb Chesan has worked very well
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[02:54:52] <djlewis> Chesen Electronics Corp. PS/2 Keyboard+Mouse Adapter
[02:55:19] <emeb|mac> I've got a cheap one. Used it for a while.
[02:55:42] <emeb|mac> It would reset periodically - all the kbd leds would flash and I'd lose a few chars
[02:55:45] <djlewis> looks like I will have to do my usal evil hacking to get wifi working.
[02:55:56] <djlewis> s/usal/usual
[02:56:39] <emeb|mac> always fun
[02:56:55] <djlewis> oops, i overlooked my essid
[02:57:04] <emeb|mac> minor detail
[02:57:09] <djlewis> hehee
[02:58:50] <emeb|mac> lousy neighbor cats outside yowling at eachother for the last few hours
[02:59:10] <djlewis> hmmm, gonna have a good time to night :)
[02:59:21] <emeb|mac> gonna get the hose soon
[03:00:02] <djlewis> hmm, associated and dropped it
[03:00:44] <emeb|mac> >plonk<
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[03:01:46] <djlewis> if I could type inthe correct info i'd be dangerous
[03:02:02] <emeb|mac> as it is, merely cautionary
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[03:04:00] <djlewis> hmm dns is fighting me
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[03:05:05] <daurnimator> what happens if you use a null modem with the xm?
[03:05:11] <djlewis> this must be a narcissus I got, no apps listed
[03:05:21] <djlewis> daurnimator: you wont get serial to work
[03:05:50] <djlewis> XM is straight thru so a usb to serial dongle can connect directly
[03:05:55] <daurnimator> right, cause I only have a male-male serial cable >.<
[03:06:10] <djlewis> you using a real serial port?
[03:06:13] <djlewis> on pc
[03:06:21] <daurnimator> (and a female=>female null modem)
[03:06:21] <daurnimator> yeah
[03:06:40] <djlewis> 2 - 2 , 3 - 3, 5 - 5
[03:07:15] <daurnimator> huh?
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[03:09:46] <daurnimator> djlewis: huh?
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[03:10:03] <djlewis> the wires from pc to XM
[03:10:10] <djlewis> straight thru
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[03:11:22] <daurnimator> yeah well I can't seem to find the cables to do that >.<
[03:11:48] <daurnimator> silly -xm for having a female serial port... wtf
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[03:13:09] <djlewis> the design is to make our lives easier :)
[03:13:30] <djlewis> so much hand holding for beginners with the crossover on earlier models
[03:14:01] <djlewis> turns out there is still much trouble for new users with this config
[03:14:29] <djlewis> reboot that bb and see what happens
[03:14:43] * djlewis is speaking of mine
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[03:22:18] * djlewis wonders if issue is wifi signal too weak for this adapter I have in this room
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[03:27:40] <djlewis> emeb|mac: do you recall why my wifi might be deauthenticating ?
[03:33:12] <emeb> djlewis: no clue
[03:33:24] <emeb> has this dongle worked with other machines?
[03:33:31] <emeb> (incompatible with your router?)
[03:33:56] <emeb> or do you have a WEP/WPA password problem?
[03:34:58] <djlewis> yes, no, no
[03:35:15] <djlewis> it has worked fine with this BB but not on this fs
[03:35:34] <djlewis> looks like network manager is setting things up properly
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[03:35:48] <emeb> ah.
[03:36:03] <emeb> so an earlier/different kernel & rootfs worked.
[03:36:28] <djlewis> yes, about to verify now
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[03:42:05] <djlewis> whoa, my main screen just flashed to black and back :(
[03:45:59] <emeb> loose cable?
[03:49:29] <djlewis> its working fine on 2.6.29
[03:49:57] <djlewis> i supose i'l shutdown network manager and grab it by the units
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[03:51:51] <emeb> that's always worked for me
[03:52:08] <djlewis> i had new hopes for this fs
[03:52:21] <emeb> go straight to /etc/network/interfaces and be done with it.
[03:52:41] <djlewis> i have always done that. it works :)
[03:52:49] <emeb> netman even gives me problems on my wired desktop Fedora system.
[03:53:27] <djlewis> its been pretty good on this Ubuntu 10.04
[03:53:34] <emeb> Works ok on my Ubuntu netbook too
[03:53:57] <emeb> which I've taken all over the world and used w/ various public & private wifis
[03:55:03] <djlewis> i was using only cabled but here at the "new workbench" ;) i use wifi
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[03:57:10] <djlewis> cool i added nano to this fs
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[03:59:32] <emeb|mac> never used that much
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[04:05:11] <djlewis> its not registering my statis ip
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[04:07:51] <hitlin37> how do i boot into u boot to change the resolution
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[04:11:56] <djlewis> hmm, shot a night with this darn wifi issue
[04:20:05] <djlewis> arg, no dns
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[04:30:43] <djlewis> hmmm, dns is now resolving ip to name but no ping
[04:31:03] <djlewis> ping 192.168.1.104
[04:31:06] <djlewis> sorry
[04:32:12] <emeb|mac> 64 bytes from 192.168.1.104: icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=1.624 ms
[04:32:17] <emeb|mac> :)
[04:32:32] <djlewis> oh yeah ... :)
[04:33:05] <djlewis> actually: 64 bytes from 192.168.1.104: seq=0 ttl=64 time=43.518 ms
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[04:33:35] <emeb|mac> ah - that's what my MacBook says - syntax slightly different
[04:33:41] <djlewis> made a little progress by stopping network manager and wpa_supplicant.
[04:34:12] <djlewis> it is still not reading /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/resolv.conf
[04:34:19] <emeb|mac> odd
[04:34:26] <djlewis> have to pound in ip manually
[04:34:48] <emeb|mac> maybe something you need to start up in /etc/init.d?
[04:34:49] <djlewis> but wifi stays up
[04:35:00] <djlewis> hmmm
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[04:35:37] <djlewis> perhaps I should start over with the latest demo image
[04:35:53] <emeb|mac> I've been having good luck with them.
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[04:36:13] <djlewis> i thought you were using narcissus
[04:36:13] <sakoman> djlewis: networkmanager and hand editing of /etc/network/interfaces do not play well together
[04:36:33] <djlewis> hi sakoman, i stopped networkmanager
[04:36:54] <djlewis> Linux beagle 2.6.32 #1 PREEMPT Thu Apr 15 12:05:47 CEST 2010 armv7l GNU/Linux
[04:37:08] <sakoman> that is one approach, the other is to just use the networkmanager gui to set it up the want you want
[04:37:23] <sakoman> way you want :-)
[04:37:31] <djlewis> tried that numerous times and wifi would not stay associated
[04:38:33] <emeb|mac> djlewis: I've done both demos and narcissus. Both seem pretty decent lately
[04:38:35] <sakoman> in that case I have no further advice :-) always works for me
[04:39:09] <djlewis> sakoman: thanks for the advice. it had been working for me too. I can't remember where I got this image
[04:39:25] <djlewis> it has never worked on this image, forst try tonight
[04:39:50] <djlewis> just pulled it out to see if it would see the trainer, which uboot does :)
[04:40:09] <djlewis> I want to do some work with the trainer board
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[04:41:05] <djlewis> well, there is always tomorrow. its almost midnight here :)
[04:41:53] <emeb|mac> get some sleep - you're keeping the dogs up. :)
[04:42:15] <djlewis> lol
[04:42:43] <djlewis> and I was just about to place the SD into my wkstn :)
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[04:57:43] <djlewis> not a good sign, this is the latest demo by name
[05:01:20] <djlewis> gn guys
[05:01:26] <emeb|mac> gn
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[05:11:12] <_av500_> gn
[05:17:21] <dm8tbr> gm
[05:17:59] <_av500_> gm
[05:29:34] <hitlin37> which one is the optimized player on bb to play .mpg
[05:29:58] <_av500_> ffplay
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[05:30:40] <hitlin37> how do i get it,i already have ffmpeg-dev
[05:32:00] <_av500_> mplayer?
[05:32:22] <hitlin37> yes i ahve mplayer
[05:32:27] <hitlin37> *have
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[05:33:39] <hitlin37> can i make mplayer to read from a file continously,if i'm keep adding data to the file
[05:34:06] <_av500_> man mplayer
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[05:36:27] <hitlin37> ok
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[05:48:55] <emeb|mac> is it monday already?
[05:49:16] * emeb|mac still has 1:10 of sunday left
[05:49:31] <_av500_> enjoy
[05:51:29] <emeb|mac> _av500_: you coming across the pond shortly?
[05:55:21] <tassleho1f> koen: morning. which oe-recipe must I build to get the qt4-embedded-plugin-gfxdriver-gfxpvregl ipk?
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[05:55:30] <tassleho1f> everyone else: morning
[05:55:42] <emeb|mac> gm
[06:00:05] <_av500_> emeb|mac: yup
[06:00:13] <ds2> Hmmm
[06:00:16] <_av500_> 20th
[06:00:26] <emeb|mac> whee - long plane rides.
[06:00:43] <_av500_> 10h is ok
[06:00:56] <ds2> nonstop?
[06:01:05] <_av500_> 20 sucks
[06:01:12] <_av500_> ds2: yep
[06:01:21] <emeb|mac> airport security, Take yer Shoes of Agency, etc
[06:01:27] <_av500_> yeah
[06:01:29] <emeb|mac> s/of/off/
[06:02:14] <_av500_> my shoes need the cargo xray :)
[06:02:24] * emeb|mac "loves" that disconnected feeling you have for the first day after a long trip
[06:02:58] <emeb|mac> one of these days they'll hand you a hospital gown when you get to the airport.
[06:03:38] <_av500_> id prefer full narcosis for the duration..
[06:03:58] <emeb|mac> I saw a proposal for that in Aviation Week a while back.
[06:04:25] <emeb|mac> all the passengers loaded into transparent coffins and stacked like cordwood
[06:04:34] <_av500_> great
[06:05:50] * _av500_ must play angry birds now...
[06:13:47] <hitlin37> one doubt i have,how do i boot into u boot to change the resolution
[06:15:28] <hitlin37> during boot up it does not take if i press any key to stop auto boot
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[06:42:31] <koen> good morning all
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[06:46:26] <raster> koen: koman!
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[07:10:14] <koen> hey raster
[07:10:22] <koen> how's korea treating you?
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[07:43:57] <raster> koen: aaagh busy
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[08:02:38] <daurnimator> djlewis / anyone: finally, went past uni and made myself a male-male db9 adaptor, I can see serial now :D
[08:03:02] <daurnimator> now... crap, I see a kernal panic
[08:03:39] <daurnimator> http://codepad.org/LmEpGYpq
[08:04:21] <hitlin37> it should be called user panic as it makes user panic!
[08:05:09] <daurnimator> so.... what causes that one?
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[08:09:26] <hitlin37> what r u trying to do
[08:09:50] <daurnimator> well that was booting the validation image...
[08:10:15] <hitlin37> how r u powering up the board
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[08:10:59] <daurnimator> usb, I don't have a dc connector that fits in >.<
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[08:13:08] <hitlin37> ok,actually i got the same error once i was booting with usb power.it works fine if u have 5v adapter
[08:13:35] <hitlin37> for usb there's different uImage....which i don't have with me
[08:13:45] <daurnimator> do I always need to have DC power? or. oh okay
[08:13:57] <hitlin37> asl koen
[08:14:01] <hitlin37> *ask
[08:15:56] <koen> have you read the text at http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/ ?
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[08:23:04] <tolo> hi all
[08:23:15] <tolo> Ive a problem with beagle board
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[08:23:21] <tolo> Im trying to insall debian (net installation)
[08:23:30] <tolo> and the keyboard doesnt work
[08:23:36] <tolo> do u have any idea?
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[08:24:27] <av500> my BB does not even have a keyboard....
[08:24:50] <tolo> mmm
[08:25:03] <tolo> u say i cant use a KB?
[08:25:34] <av500> how is it connected?
[08:25:47] <av500> assume we are not standing behind you
[08:26:07] <tolo> trough a usb hub
[08:26:36] <av500> that should work
[08:26:41] <tolo> yes..
[08:27:03] <tolo> but I try to use ubuntu and debian, and no one works
[08:27:16] <av500> usb hub on otg or ehci port?
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[08:27:38] <tolo> mmm the big one
[08:27:47] <av500> ehci
[08:28:01] <av500> and the serial log says what?
[08:28:14] <tolo> I try to use serial, but is not working
[08:28:26] <tolo> i dont know why
[08:29:05] <tolo> rs232 to 10 pins serial, and then to USB
[08:29:33] <tolo> then I use minicom
[08:29:47] <tolo> with all settings like the wiki
[08:29:56] <tolo> and it still unworking
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[08:32:21] <tolo> what u think?
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[08:32:44] <av500> get serial working 1st
[08:33:35] <tolo> all right, but which is the problem with serial?
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[08:33:47] <daurnimator> sorry, webchat died
[08:33:54] <daurnimator> djlewis / koen ping?
[08:34:17] <daurnimator> whats the -gether binary there?
[08:36:33] <tolo> what do u think about serial?
[08:36:47] <daurnimator> also is there a mirror of that angstom site somewhere? I'm getting 512B/s....
[08:37:10] <av500> tolo: serial works, you are doing something wrong
[08:37:23] <tolo> I supose...
[08:37:32] <av500> check you cabling
[08:37:40] <av500> 10pin to db9 could be wrong
[08:37:41] <tolo> I buy it
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[08:39:51] <tolo> I use this cable in other device, it works
[08:40:08] <av500> which one?
[08:40:13] <av500> which cable?
[08:40:24] <tolo> db9 - 10pin
[08:40:34] <tolo> and the 10pin usb
[08:40:45] <av500> and the 10pin layout is the same on the other device?
[08:41:09] <av500> and your flow control is OFF?
[08:41:40] <tolo> I supose 10pin layout is the same, it gps module
[08:41:48] <tolo> and flow control is off
[08:42:00] <av500> dont suppose
[08:42:15] <tolo> how can be diferent?
[08:42:23] <av500> it can, check it
[08:42:33] <dm8tbr> there are two possible ways to wire that cable
[08:42:41] <dm8tbr> you most likely have the other
[08:43:14] <tolo> mm
[08:43:17] <av500> there are 3628800 way to wire a 10 pin connector
[08:43:19] <tolo> ok i will chec
[08:43:22] <tolo> thanks
[08:44:08] <daurnimator> so... anyone? the angstrom site isn't working
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[08:53:31] <tolo> Im seaching wich is the correct way of wiring the cable
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[09:16:20] <ds2> LB indicators work so much better when the ADC ref is not proportional to the battery input
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[12:02:28] <tasslehoff> koen: what do I build to get qt4-embedded-plugin-gfxdriver-gfxpvregl? Are any manual steps required to make it happen?
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[12:04:36] <Crofton|work> tasslehoff, I tried grepping recipes for it ...
[12:04:37] <Crofton|work> failed
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[12:06:04] <_koen_> tasslehoff: you build the -gles variants
[12:06:45] <tasslehoff> _koen_: I built qt4-embedded-gles_4.6.3, but still didn't get it. Rebuilding now to be sure.
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[12:09:09] <Crofton> _koen_, shouldn't I find the name via grep?
[12:09:14] <Crofton> or is it constructed?
[12:09:39] * Crofton|work contemplates ordering a panda
[12:10:36] <_koen_> Crofton|work: constructed
[12:10:41] <Crofton|work> ah
[12:10:56] <Crofton|work> I was suspecting you of forgetting to push something :)
[12:11:24] <_koen_> check qt4.inc
[12:11:33] <_koen_> that packages up gfxdrivers automagically
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[12:29:28] <tasslehoff> thanks. how do I make my image use qt4-embedded-gles instead of qt4-embedded when I have included only the libraries I need in my rootfs.bb?
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[12:42:19] <Crofton|work> mini a to mini b is what I need to use OTG as host? and with ehci connector on overo ...
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[12:45:00] <av500> ?
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[12:55:49] <Crofton|work> I am ordering cables from digikey
[12:55:59] <Crofton|work> should I get Al or Brass spacers ....
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[13:00:08] <jkridner|work> good morning all
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[13:03:55] <_koen_> hey jkridner|work
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[13:06:27] <hitlin37> what did happened?
[13:09:41] <hitlin37> where could i find the patches for building kernel for XM.whatever source i have ,it worked for bb but not forXM,plus i saw post regarding this too that some patches are there for XM
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[13:10:45] <_koen_> hitlin37: use the angstrom-setup-scripts, those will build a working kernel for xM
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[13:14:08] <hitlin37> ok,im in the process of doing it
[13:14:28] <mouse-_> _koen_: do you have a url for that script? :)
[13:14:59] <hitlin37> its given here http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom
[13:15:05] <_koen_> mouse-_: is google broken today?
[13:15:10] * mouse-_ new to beagleboard xm, having hard time finding images other than the angstrom validation/demo to work
[13:15:21] <mouse-_> i don't thinkl so.
[13:15:41] <mouse-_> thanks hitlin37
[13:17:23] <hitlin37> not me ,thanks to koen
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[13:21:38] <julianoliver> mouse-_: i also can't seem to get anything other than Angstrom up and running well on my Rev B6. seems to be no video output with various versions of Ubuntu..
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[13:35:25] <hitlin37> sh oebb.sh config beagleboard-->i suppose it remains same for xm
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[13:51:57] <BusError> whats the most efficient "distro" for beagelboard ? ie the one that uses the OMAP to it's best ? I'm trying to run midori in ubuntu, with fbdev-omap xorg, but's it's rather sluggish
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[13:55:19] <_koen_> BusError: angstrom
[13:57:11] <ynezz> well, if it's C4, it might be sluggish even in angstrom :)
[13:57:28] <BusError> it's a C3, stock
[13:58:13] <ynezz> so, midori-elinks might work :]
[13:58:32] <_koen_> with angstrom you'll get NEON, SGX and dsp support
[13:58:53] <_koen_> with recent ubuntu you'll only get sgx
[13:59:15] <av500> but you have purple windows background!!
[13:59:20] <ynezz> does neon/sgx matter in case of midori?
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[13:59:59] <woglinde> ynezz javascript?
[14:00:01] <ynezz> bitbake more-ram-or-xm
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[14:03:27] <_koen_> ynezz: neon matters a lot, since Xorg uses it for 2d accel
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[14:05:54] <ynezz> _koen_: without the precise definition of "sluggish", it might be anything :)
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[14:06:32] <BusError> whats a precise definition of sluggish anyway ? huh
[14:06:47] <BusError> do you have a sluggish unit of sort ?
[14:06:49] <buZz> like a slug (snail)
[14:07:52] <ynezz> BusError: what webpage it was for example
[14:08:18] <ynezz> BusError: using javascript, flash etc. we don't have the crystal ball here (yet)
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[14:09:14] <Crofton|work> shmat is making my life miserable ...
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[14:09:32] <BusError> just html animations -- can't show unfortunately. tested on fbdev on a Joggler (atom poulsbo, pretty lame) and it works fine... so I suspect the webkit browser on the omap/buntu is not optimized...
[14:12:20] <ynezz> hm, "just" html animations
[14:12:33] <av500> tiny wee bit of javascript
[14:12:38] <ynezz> comparing c3 to poulsbo, hm
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[14:14:36] <BusError> pousbo doesn't have a dsp unit, nor a (usable) graphic acceleration. the omap claims to do h264 720p, and the poulsbo is nowhere near capable of that
[14:15:04] <av500> ???
[14:15:11] <av500> poulbo has HW accell
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[14:15:27] <av500> and it does 1080p
[14:15:54] <BusError> it's "Intel" binary blob that works only on 31th of february every year, if you have the correct 2 years old xorg
[14:16:03] <av500> ?
[14:16:10] <av500> still the HW has it
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[14:16:50] <BusError> but, I said I did my tests on a fbdev on it; no acceleration at all
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[14:28:13] <dabrutha> good morning
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[14:32:38] <dabrutha> has anyone had any luck compiling u-boot with angstrom 4.5.2?
[14:33:25] <dabrutha> or rather, a working compilation?
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[14:40:40] <Crofton|work> what do you mean
[14:40:57] <Crofton|work> I just cross compiled u-boot using the toolchian in sysroot
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[14:45:55] <_pseudonym> jkridner: any update on the UT board shipments?
[14:46:13] <jkridner|work> _pseudonym: have they not all gone out?
[14:46:14] <_koen_> what the hell is angstrom 4.5.2?
[14:46:24] * jkridner|work pings cwicks.
[14:46:35] <_pseudonym> jkridner|work: I still don't have one
[14:46:56] <dabrutha> and maybe that's my problem ;)
[14:47:06] <woglinde> koen I ask me that too
[14:48:18] <dabrutha> the compiler on my toolchain reads: arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc-4.5.2
[14:48:33] <djlewis> gm
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[14:48:56] <djlewis> hmm, opkg update is very slow this morning . . .
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[14:49:08] <djlewis> might be my weak wifi connection
[14:49:40] <dabrutha> i'm able to compile uboot, but when i load it, all i get is garbage on the console
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[14:55:51] <dabrutha> i've done a lot of clock exploration and debug with jtag with no luck
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[14:56:18] <dabrutha> same code runs with the 4.3 version of the compiler
[14:56:39] <Crofton|work> hmm
[14:56:50] <Crofton|work> I will test mine then :)
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[15:02:41] <Crofton|work> dabrutha, mine loads ok
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[15:03:02] <Crofton|work> there are some other funny issues, but it seems like the compiler is OK
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[15:11:17] <dabrutha> Crofton: thanks for checking that
[15:12:39] <dabrutha> it could be something specific to the board - which is beagleboard-ish
[15:12:48] <dabrutha> and running on 37xx
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[15:17:12] <ravi> can any one give me link to download huwai e220 driver
[15:17:54] <ravi> any one here
[15:18:34] <av500> is google down?
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[15:25:54] <johnnyg> av500: nope
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[15:59:00] <ssakhars> Hi
[15:59:28] <b7500af1> ssakhars, hello
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[16:01:23] <ssakhars> Hi can anybody help me figure out, how can i bring analog signal from 3 microphones in the beagleboard ?
[16:01:50] <djlewis> use audio mixer
[16:02:50] <ssakhars> is there any cheaper solution? can i somehow make use current beagle HW?
[16:03:51] <djlewis> well, its a stereo line in so there are two channels
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[16:04:25] <ssakhars> ya that is the problem.. i need I/P from 3 mics
[16:04:45] <av500> get rid of the background singer
[16:05:00] <b7500af1> heh
[16:05:03] <ssakhars> LOL
[16:05:12] <av500> just make her move to the musics...
[16:05:15] <av500> or him
[16:05:19] <av500> lets be PC today
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[16:06:05] <djlewis> prpplague: ping
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[16:07:50] <ssakhars> Does anybody have any idea about this?
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[16:08:08] <av500> add another codec
[16:08:25] <prpplague> djlewis: pong
[16:08:31] <djlewis> audio is not so difficult, make your won mixer unless you need three discrete channels
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[16:08:55] <djlewis> prpplague: gm, where can i find the def hex add'y of the trainer published?
[16:09:09] <djlewis> or what is it?
[16:09:16] <prpplague> djlewis: hex address?
[16:09:27] * prpplague is not sure what djlewis is refering to
[16:09:39] <djlewis> ok, uboot detects it, doesnt it probe i2c addy's?
[16:10:04] <djlewis> I might be confused
[16:10:17] <djlewis> i know about the prom
[16:10:25] <djlewis> or serial eerpom
[16:11:27] <av500> i2s address
[16:11:31] <av500> i2c
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[16:13:07] <prpplague> djlewis: ahh you are refering the i2c eeprom
[16:13:19] <djlewis> prpplague: simplified... if I runt he i2cdetect -F a_bus_num what should I see and on what i2c bus?
[16:13:22] <prpplague> djlewis: the i2c eeprom for all beagle accessories should be the same
[16:13:29] <djlewis> I get values on bus 2 and 3
[16:14:14] <djlewis> 50h and 52h on bus 2, 37h and 50h on bus 3
[16:14:30] <prpplague> djlewis: http://www.elinux.org/BeagleBoardPinMux#Hardware_2
[16:15:32] <djlewis> well that looks the same as http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardPinMux#Board_IDs and that did not list it
[16:16:32] <djlewis> all the chart shows is vendor and device id so is that what i should expect for a i2c address?
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[16:17:30] <prpplague> djlewis: http://www.elinux.org/BeagleBoardPinMux#Hardware_2 shows the bus as i2c2 and that the eeprom should be at 0x50
[16:17:58] <emeb> that agrees with what I did on my FPGA board
[16:18:11] <emeb> (which is also recognized by uboot)
[16:18:41] <djlewis> and 0x50 agrees with my probe on 1c2c
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[16:18:45] <djlewis> ic2c
[16:18:58] <djlewis> and it shows on i2c3
[16:19:23] <djlewis> arg, transposing
[16:19:42] <ssakhars> Hi, I am trying to figure out how to bring 3 mic intput into the beagle board.. any ideas?
[16:20:07] <djlewis> prpplague: thank you, then i can count on it being 0x50 on 1c2c
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[16:20:58] <djlewis> which translates with ic2detect -F 2
[16:21:19] <djlewis> or i2cdetect -F -y -r 2
[16:21:43] <djlewis> emeb: ^^^ ?
[16:21:54] <emeb> djlewis: sounds right to me
[16:21:59] <djlewis> cool :)
[16:22:02] <emeb> I'll boot my own BB and check
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[16:22:31] <djlewis> then i can say to myself, "self... i2cdetect seems to be working" :)
[16:22:42] <ssakhars> Hi, I am trying to figure out how to bring 3 mic intput into the beagle board.. any ideas?
[16:22:43] <djlewis> for externals
[16:22:47] <emeb> BB docs show I2C3 is on the DVI/HDMI conn
[16:22:59] <emeb> so that's not the droid you're looking for...
[16:23:10] <djlewis> and i get one addy on it of 0x50
[16:23:25] <djlewis> wrong, I get a 37 also
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[16:25:43] <emeb> interesting. I2C3 only hooks to the DVI/HDMI and S-Video connectors
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[16:26:28] <emeb> so seeing more than 1 device on that bus suggests your monitor responds to more than one address
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[16:26:46] <djlewis> perhaps a reboot without monitor?
[16:26:54] <djlewis> might tell a story on that bus?
[16:27:04] <emeb> would be interesting to see what responds w/o monitor hooked up
[16:28:02] <emeb> my BB sees nothing on I2C3 w/o monitor connected
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[16:28:22] <emeb> and sees devices @ 17, 38 and 50 due to my FPGA board.
[16:28:26] <emeb> on I2C2
[16:29:07] <djlewis> so without a trainer 0x50 on i2c2 is valid for something else
[16:29:36] <emeb> 0x50 is the addr of the ID prom per 'standard'
[16:29:44] <djlewis> i can verify no devices on ic3c without monitor
[16:30:00] <emeb> cool - wonder what the two devices are?
[16:30:05] <djlewis> so one asks the id prom for its id and dev info
[16:30:14] <emeb> yes
[16:30:33] <djlewis> i am getting 0x50 and 0x52 on i2c2 without monitor
[16:30:36] <emeb> see here: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardPinMux#Expansion_boards
[16:31:08] <djlewis> yep, thanks i have that linked every which way
[16:31:20] <ynezz> djlewis: tried the same in u-boot?
[16:31:40] <djlewis> not yet, i needed a addy to start with
[16:31:49] <ynezz> sorry, addy?
[16:31:56] <djlewis> i could not see how to do a wildcard probe in uboot
[16:32:02] <djlewis> address
[16:32:27] <ynezz> there's probe command in u-boot, it's wildcard
[16:32:48] <djlewis> ok, i'm getting confuzzed
[16:32:55] <djlewis> i'll re do that
[16:32:57] <ynezz> if the output from u-boot and from linux differs, then it's some driver in linux
[16:33:26] <djlewis> ]]
[16:33:36] <ynezz> (probably)
[16:34:02] <ynezz> I've seen weird stuff from i2cdetect on beagle :p
[16:34:17] <djlewis> i2c probe: Valid chip addresses: 48 49 4A 4B
[16:34:31] <djlewis> just lists the BB's
[16:35:12] <ynezz> it's on i2c2?
[16:35:36] <ynezz> numbering of buses in u-boot starts from 0 I think, in kernel it's from 1
[16:36:09] <djlewis> si i would i2c dev 1 ? then i2c probe
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[16:36:48] <djlewis> yeah that works
[16:37:19] <djlewis> it returns addresses 0c50 and 0c52
[16:37:24] <djlewis> s/c/x
[16:37:47] <ynezz> and with monitor plugged in?
[16:37:59] <ynezz> I wonder how it could affect i2c2 anyway
[16:38:07] <djlewis> that was with monitor plugged in
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[16:38:31] <ynezz> for monitor it is i2c dev 2 = i2c3 :)
[16:38:59] <djlewis> returns 37, 50, 7e on dev 2
[16:39:06] <djlewis> with monitor
[16:39:38] <ynezz> and without?
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[16:40:23] <djlewis> zero, nada, none
[16:40:31] <ynezz> hm, interesting, what monitor it's that?
[16:40:46] <djlewis> samsung SyncMaster 731B
[16:41:18] <emeb> what's your probe command again?
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[16:41:32] <emeb> I just use "i2cdetect -r 2" to read bus 2
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[16:42:20] <djlewis> emeb: im at boot in uboot
[16:42:27] <emeb> ah.
[16:42:39] <djlewis> in fs i was using i1cdetect
[16:42:44] <djlewis> i2cdetect
[16:43:04] <emeb> so uboot must number stuff differently
[16:43:13] <ynezz> yep, from 0
[16:43:15] <emeb> "the nice thing about standards...."
[16:43:36] <emeb> the folks who wrote i2cdetect must have been fortran users
[16:43:41] <djlewis> hehee
[16:43:56] <djlewis> i enjoyed fortran back in the college days
[16:44:06] <ynezz> emeb: s/i2cdetect/linux drivers/
[16:44:21] <emeb> ynezz: true.
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[16:45:06] <djlewis> well, my fun has to stop here so I can get to the big city , get a plate lunch and go to work :)
[16:45:21] <emeb> drive safely
[16:45:25] <djlewis> tnx
[16:46:27] <djlewis> this eve i might have time to find my i2c dev on a bus ;)
[16:48:09] <djlewis> emeb: btw: replacing u-boot and uImage stablilzed my wifi
[16:48:29] <djlewis> still running in manual config
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[16:50:35] <emeb> djlewis: interesting - something odd in the kernel setup
[16:51:12] <djlewis> emeb: i was using may versions now latest posted
[16:51:38] <emeb> nice when newer versions work better.
[16:51:42] <djlewis> unless powering off the BB all night fixed it?
[16:51:52] <emeb> errr - heat?
[16:52:09] <djlewis> dunno, this new uImage sets it up at 600Mhz best I can tell
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[16:58:54] <djlewis> emeb: I couldn't resist: http://imagebin.ca/view/APRvRs1z.html
[16:59:35] <ynezz> nice mod
[16:59:52] <djlewis> now I can run at 400vDC
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[17:10:27] <emeb> har!
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[18:08:00] <ninksink> _av500_, FYI. Have GUI working. Pretty simple. Problem was our first acquired touch screen. Hooker her up HDMI-HDMI screen, and "startx" and tada. Sooo cool. Now trying to get browser video feed back perform better. Thx for all your help sir.
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[18:19:45] <ninksink_xM> Question: suggested parameters for a lucid build (ie swap_file), that would improve video playback in a browser?
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[18:41:21] <djlewis_> sakoman: regarding yesterdays strange wifi issues, using the later uboot and uImage seems to have worked. was using May 2010 versions.
[18:44:38] <sakoman> djlewis_: I'm glad you are back in business
[18:48:42] <djlewis_> prpplague: hi again, if it was a snake it would have bitten me.
[18:49:07] <djlewis_> prpplague: I see now the 12c address is 0x50 under Hardware.
[18:49:49] <djlewis_> prpplague: but it states "he I2C address can be configured to I2C address 0x50", not very definite.
[18:49:59] <djlewis_> s//he/the
[18:51:06] <djlewis_> prpplague: then it mentions the conflict with edid. edid is on the third bus, Trainer eeprom is on 2nd bus, is this still a conflict?
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[19:28:28] <mouse-_> pardon my noob question, but does the beagle XM have a NAND boot like the regular beagle?
[19:28:47] <koen> it doesn't
[19:29:32] <mouse-_> so that's why the basic instructions ('unzip this file to sd card, boot with memory stick, install, reboot') for 0xdroid don't work here
[19:29:45] <mouse-_> it would install to the nand
[19:30:24] <mouse-_> (i am guessing? :)
[19:31:07] <koen> dunno
[19:31:10] <koen> I don't do android
[19:31:41] <mouse-_> nod. i was looking at android due to their native flash support
[19:33:34] <dm8tbr> in theory there is flash for other things too. I tried to apply for the binaries, TI never responded. so I guess that meant FU we we're not interested in puny FOSS projects.
[19:34:19] <jkridner|work> Jefro: ping
[19:34:26] <mouse-_> yep. i couldn't even create an account on ti's website to download what they claimed was a flash library
[19:34:32] <mouse-_> it kept bouncing me, saying i didn't fill in proper forms
[19:35:35] <koen> dm8tbr: that's 99% adobe's fault
[19:35:50] <koen> I'm still trying hard to get an exemption to put it in the default xM filesystem
[19:36:01] <dm8tbr> koen: so the requests on that TI website are forwarded to macrobe for approval?
[19:36:07] <koen> although it's still extremely crappy, even on a 1GHz a8
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[19:36:54] <koen> dm8tbr: no, but there isn't a real incentive to approve downloads
[19:37:03] <koen> kinda like the sgx stuff 1.5 years ago
[19:37:27] <_av500_> dm8tbr: hmm, i applied and got it 1 day later
[19:37:28] <koen> and I bet it's a single dude sitting behind that form and he won't be working fulltime on it
[19:37:35] <dm8tbr> I'm not really interested in it _personally_, but I would have liked to try and be able to say, 'yes it works'
[19:37:35] <_av500_> really?
[19:37:40] <koen> again, like the sgx stuff
[19:37:45] <_av500_> not a bot?
[19:37:51] <dm8tbr> _av500_: with your archos email address?
[19:37:58] <koen> where the dude would go on holiday for 2 weeks and noone would get approved
[19:38:26] <_av500_> dm8tbr: with my myti account
[19:38:29] <_av500_> so prolly
[19:38:52] <dm8tbr> I got at least 2 complaints on my openaos.org blog post that they requested it immediately and never heard back
[19:39:07] <dm8tbr> I only requested it a week ago when those complaints came in
[19:39:16] <_av500_> hmm
[19:39:30] <_av500_> and i never even downloaded it ...
[19:39:30] <koen> it really sounds like the ex sgx dude got a new job at the flash dept :)
[19:39:44] <dm8tbr> so, yes, thanks TI for saying FUCK YOU to people genuinely interested in it
[19:40:01] <mouse-_> heh
[19:40:03] <_av500_> dm8tbr: well, its still flash
[19:40:14] <dm8tbr> _av500_: _we_ know *it*
[19:40:20] <koen> tbh, I wouldn't give the current stuff out to people, way to emberrassing
[19:40:34] <koen> can't do 240p youtube on a 1GHz a8
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[19:40:49] <dm8tbr> I wouldn't want to use it for flash video anyway
[19:40:50] <ynezz> oops
[19:41:19] <_av500_> dm8tbr: when i put froyo on the phone, i forgot to install flash until somebody told me
[19:41:19] <dm8tbr> even if it would do it with some dsplink/dspbridge/syslink/whatchamacallit magic
[19:41:31] <_av500_> dm8tbr: gen6
[19:41:56] <dm8tbr> gen6 flashlite uses dsp?
[19:42:01] <_av500_> ocourse
[19:42:05] <dm8tbr> neat
[19:42:35] <dm8tbr> someone also mentioned that the froyo flash supports DSP
[19:42:42] <_av500_> yes
[19:42:48] <_av500_> it talks omx
[19:42:52] <_av500_> so plug any omx
[19:43:10] <dm8tbr> mh, gen7 isn't omx, that will work with gen8 only, right?
[19:43:19] <dm8tbr> unless someone dares to backport
[19:43:30] <_av500_> forget it
[19:43:39] <dm8tbr> that's what I thought
[19:44:14] <_av500_> koen: btw, i start to like bridge a bit
[19:44:19] <dm8tbr> might be interesting to try gen8 kernel and userspace though
[19:44:38] <dm8tbr> btw: any 101's yet?
[19:44:45] <koen> _av500_: to bad it's dead
[19:44:55] <_av500_> dm8tbr: backportin the basic functionality to gen7 is not too hard imho
[19:44:59] <dm8tbr> _av500_: besides the pile you're sitting on
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[19:45:27] <jannau> and the mini videowall
[19:45:29] <dm8tbr> ok, well I'll see how much time I'll have outside of work
[19:46:10] <_av500_> koen: async sending of buffers to the dsp is nice
[19:46:17] <_av500_> it makes the arm overhead 0
[19:46:29] <koen> I know
[19:46:29] <_av500_> i guess syslink will have that too
[19:46:33] <koen> it will
[19:47:06] <koen> I'm trying to get syslink for omap3 public
[19:48:08] <dm8tbr> oh, nice
[19:48:51] <koen> I bet jkridner|work is going to love that confcall tomorrow at 7:30 am :)
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[19:49:46] <jkridner|work> typical
[19:50:11] <jkridner|work> Hi Jefro!
[19:51:13] <koen> jkridner|work: lots of beagle related calls tomorrow morning...
[19:51:25] <koen> charge your battery overnight :)
[19:52:54] <ynezz> no video, in 2010?
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[19:54:50] * ynezz wonders who's that Lioric guy
[19:55:26] <jkridner|work> Jefro, koen: http://beagleboard.org/linux_education/
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[19:55:38] <jkridner|work> still working through it. sorry so late.
[19:56:38] <koen> the call is tomorrow, so you're early
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[19:57:41] <jkridner|work> where should we upload the agenda? is that something we can put on eLinux.org? I'm thinking of using a Google Doc. Perhaps a template for providing agenda items.
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[19:59:02] <koen> gdoc would be fine
[20:00:20] <Jefro> jkridner|work - cool, will try to look today. not sure I can make an early call tomorrow but will try.
[20:01:29] <Jefro> gdoc works ok, but I'd prefer a wiki for agendas & such as it is more easily shared, as we did with gsoc.
[20:01:57] <_av500_> jkridner|work: Jefro what is your eta on gsoc SFO?
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[20:03:55] <Jefro> _av500_ I'm still working on possibly making it for dinner Sunday eve, but I'm not coming to the conference itself
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[20:08:28] <_av500_> ok
[20:08:40] <_av500_> sunday eve im in the plane :)
[20:08:55] <_av500_> need to be in tel aviv the next evening :)
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[20:11:10] <_av500_> damn, I hate ordering at Conrad
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[20:13:32] <jkridner|work> _av500_: SJC at 11:22 a.m. on Friday.
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[20:18:23] <_av500_> k
[20:18:32] <_av500_> make it 11:22:33
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[20:27:45] <jkridner|work> _av500_, koen, Jefro, rcn-ee, mru, others: any topics for the spreadsheet/agenda list linked from http://beagleboard.org/linux_education
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[20:42:26] <rickdisco> hi all
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[20:44:24] <djlewis_> yo
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[20:45:03] <koen> sakoman: note that udev 162 changes a lot, it deprecates most of the udev rules (e.g. NAME= won't work anymore)
[20:45:26] <sakoman> koen: bummer :-(
[20:46:03] <sakoman> sounds like the recipe will need some work then :-)
[20:48:09] <koen> sakoman: udev is yielding more and more to the kernel
[20:48:15] <koen> so less code and bugs in userspace
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[21:03:02] <topfs2> koen, working on deprecating hal aswell for angstrom?
[21:03:24] <koen> yes
[21:03:42] <koen> but hal will be around for a while, too much legacy sw
[21:04:03] <topfs2> yeah sounds sane
[21:04:22] <topfs2> I really don't liked coding for hal tbh
[21:04:27] <topfs2> was so annoying
[21:04:27] <kblin> more code and bugs in the kernel? ;)
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[21:15:52] <GatorBoz> ds2: ping
[21:16:28] <ninksink_xM> Question on touch screens. How would one control an external touch screen? I see the beagle touch connects to LCD expansion pins (I think), but how would we attach an external screen?
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[21:17:53] <ninksink_xM> I have been reviewing lilliput screens, but so far, of the screens I have reviewed, they have "touch screen control". As you can see I am somewhat clueless on how to accomplish our mission with our xM.
[21:18:02] <jacekowski> ninksink_xM: serial
[21:18:04] <jacekowski> ninksink_xM: or usb
[21:18:18] <jacekowski> ninksink_xM: depends on screen
[21:20:03] <ninksink_xM> Ooops, the lilliput has "touch screen control as VGA"
[21:20:33] <ninksink_xM> jacekowski, any suggestions on a screen brand?
[21:20:49] <jkridner|work> ultimately, you need A/D converters.... you can connect to those converters via serial or USB--and there might be some processor tied to the converters--but at the lowest level you need those A/D converters.
[21:21:11] <jkridner|work> I've heard good things about the lilliput....
[21:21:50] <jkridner|work> I'm sure the BeagleTouch is nice as well....
[21:21:52] <ninksink_xM> jkridner, aaa, what is A/D converters... sorry for my noobness.
[21:22:25] <ninksink_xM> Our ultimate goal is a 7 to 10" screen. The beagle touch is cool, but too small for our purposes.
[21:22:51] <jkridner|work> I have a Xenarc....
[21:23:03] <jkridner|work> and *almost* got the touchscreen working, but never quite finished.
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[21:23:25] <jkridner|work> A/D converters... hmmm... gonna have to suggest google on that one.
[21:23:50] <ninksink_xM> Will we be rolling our own drivers for the lilliput?
[21:24:02] <ds2> touch screens? they just work :D
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[21:24:15] <jkridner|work> this is my Xenarc: https://www.xenarcdirect.com/product.php?productid=16194 (really overpriced and I don't like the big block that drives it).
[21:24:45] <jkridner|work> ninksink_xM: I think we'd need to get a few more lilliput screens into the right hands to make that happen.
[21:24:47] <ninksink_xM> Aaaa man I hate when my boss says: "it should just work"..... arrrrrgh.
[21:25:02] <ds2> but they do!
[21:25:05] <jkridner|work> if anybody wants to buy a few, I can suggest the right hands to put them in to get it to work.
[21:25:25] <ds2> the tsc2046 is a great chip
[21:25:27] <jkridner|work> ds2: everything just works to you.... you are a kernel hacker.
[21:25:52] <ds2> jkridner|work: it just works on all the other boards too!
[21:26:19] <ninksink_xM> jkridner, our company may have to go down that direction, the "right hands to put them in" to get our project to work.
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[21:26:21] <jkridner|work> assuming you *know* how to hook up an LCD panel.
[21:26:39] <ds2> services to do that is available :D
[21:27:30] <ninksink_xM> Are there larger versions of the beagle touch?
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[21:29:43] <ninksink_xM> So far, we have succeeded nicely in installing lucid, X, and made it work. Tinkering with builds (ie swap_file size and what not). Seems that perhaps the pandaboard may be our option.
[21:30:01] <ninksink_xM> Well folks, gotta go, wife calling.
[21:30:04] * jkridner|work can't remember where he found a better article talking about touchscreens than http://computer.howstuffworks.com/question716.htm
[21:30:25] <ninksink_xM> Thx to Jkridner and jacekowski.
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[21:31:33] <ds2> a touch screen controller is nothing more then a simple DMM with some scaling
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[21:33:04] <koen> or without scaling if you have a crappy one
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[21:33:41] <jkridner|work> dmm? multimeter? that's how you describe a/d conversion for novices?
[21:33:54] <ds2> a DMM is something you can touch and see
[21:33:59] <jacekowski> besides, it's more than DMM
[21:34:20] <ds2> a second step would be to get some of the black static foam and foil to setup a demo with a DMM
[21:34:34] <ds2> you can work out the location from the readings on a white board
[21:34:45] <ds2> jacekowski: not really
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[21:36:42] <ds2> problem with telling novices it is an A/D is then you got to explain ohm's law and/or current and voltage sources
[21:38:09] <emeb> and then you have to explain algebra
[21:38:41] <ds2> you have to anyways...isn't that part of the NCLB program? :D
[21:39:11] <jacekowski> if somebody doesn't understand ohms law then he's stupid and doesn't deserve to use beagle board
[21:39:26] <emeb> nah - NCLB just assumes math is irrelevant
[21:39:37] <ds2> if we go down that route, I can say the same thing about touch screens and the kernel ;)
[21:39:56] <ds2> <-- surrounded by non EEs :(
[21:40:00] <emeb> and we all know where that ends up...
[21:41:04] <emeb> ohms law: v=ir
[21:41:14] <emeb> coleslaw: thinly slice cabbage
[21:46:36] <sklnd> lol
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[21:51:49] <djlewis_> oh, just give em a wiki link ;)
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[22:19:04] <GooglyGabe> Hi everyone. If I've installed Ubuntu using the Lucid image on http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu do I have to rebuild a new image to use the svideo port? Or can I switch it at boot time?
[22:19:29] <GooglyGabe> That page says I have to change the bootargs in uboot but I'm not quite sure how to go about that.
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[22:43:59] <ds2> so it is early bird gets the beagle, isn't it? :D
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[22:47:09] <mru> it's a bird dog
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[22:52:58] <djlewis_> are the applications in gdm showing up for anyone with the lastest Angstrom Demo?
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[22:53:40] <djlewis_> not the rxx extensions.
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[23:04:07] <djlewis_> later...
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[23:28:17] <daurnimator> power connector is centre positive?
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[23:29:34] <daurnimator> yes, it is
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[23:46:30] <djlewis> and only 5Vdc
[23:47:03] <daurnimator> yep, got that much working now
[23:47:08] <daurnimator> but can't get ubuntu to boot >.<
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[23:47:31] <daurnimator> (working from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAPMaverickInstall )
[23:48:22] <daurnimator> anyone here used ubuntu on an -xm before?
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