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  • [00:30:24] <ds2> Hmmmm
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  • [00:32:59] <ben_kludged> hmmm my sentiments perxactly
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  • [00:48:25] <emeb> ds2: how's your cold?
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  • [00:55:56] <ds2> emeb: lingering cough
  • [00:56:11] <emeb> no fun. Summer colds - blech
  • [00:56:37] <ds2> yep... but then didn't think colds have a season unlike the flu
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  • [00:59:57] <emeb> true
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  • [01:04:45] <fauxreigner> any driver wizards? I'm trying to add a driver to my kernel and I'm not sure how to get it to roll into the kernel when I compile.
  • [01:05:13] <ds2> since you are an RF guy... you must know how to layout boards for multiple parallel signals in the gigahertz range with min. phase diff between them, right, emeb?
  • [01:05:33] <ds2> RTFM yet?
  • [01:06:02] <ds2> say the files underneath Documentation in the kernel?
  • [01:06:26] <ds2> or looked at the overwelming number of examples in the tree itself?
  • [01:07:17] <emeb> ds2: Haven't had to work on multiple signals in GHz range so far
  • [01:07:23] <fauxreigner> I looked at a working driver for a piece hardware similar to the one I'm using, now I'm just trying to printk("hello world")
  • [01:07:33] <ds2> oh :(
  • [01:07:41] <emeb> usually just a balanced pair
  • [01:08:08] <ds2> they would be balanced pairs for sure... probally impedenence controlled lines too
  • [01:08:09] <emeb> simple stuff - length matching, choosing boards with well-characterized impedance, etc.
  • [01:08:57] <ds2> seems to be more blackmagic to it then that
  • [01:09:22] <emeb> ds2: not in my experience. All the things we do have good rationale.
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  • [01:10:08] <emeb> knowing all the little details is the trick.
  • [01:10:31] <ds2> but materials are not uniform and you get strays all over
  • [01:11:11] <emeb> yep - so you design with materials that are mostly well behaved.
  • [01:11:22] <emeb> and use designs that aren't too sensitive to minor variations
  • [01:11:28] <ds2> that can be $$$$
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  • [01:11:50] <emeb> yep - that's engineering for you. Trade of $$$ for performance
  • [01:12:09] <ds2> =)
  • [01:12:28] <emeb> as far as strays go, design with enough clearance about the sensitive areas.
  • [01:12:36] <emeb> and keep signal integrity in mind always
  • [01:13:07] <emeb> some of our boards are vast empty for that reason
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  • [04:52:42] <_av500_> they have tumbleweed as well?
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  • [05:17:09] <emeb|mac> tumbleweed?
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  • [06:12:15] <hitlin37> does neon provides preindex for vstr ,as i only found post indexing,is there any work around
  • [06:14:47] <hitlin37> ok i got now
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  • [06:23:04] <ddd> just have a question, how to do memory management in XDAIS to configure enough memory for DSP side using? thanks
  • [06:23:29] <Animule> GIRLS!!!!
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  • [06:31:37] <emeb|mac> Animule just hit puberty
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  • [06:33:21] <killring> lol
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  • [06:36:04] <tasslehoff> :D
  • [06:38:22] <hitlin37> how do we relate 600 mhz wid 1200 mips
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  • [06:51:50] <av500> hitlin37: work in marketing
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  • [07:00:50] <_koen_> good morning all
  • [07:04:29] <mru> morning _koen_
  • [07:04:47] <mru> hitlin37: not 1200 mips, 1200 dmips
  • [07:05:02] <mru> which is the number spat out by dhrystone multiplied by 1.37 or something
  • [07:05:23] <mru> and it's a measure of how fast your strcmp() implementation is
  • [07:05:37] <mru> for that reason, arm has a very fast strcmp() included with its compiler
  • [07:06:58] <mru> with glibc you'll only reach 800 or so
  • [07:07:09] <mru> not that it has any relevance whatsoever
  • [07:07:20] <mru> it's pure benchmarketing
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  • [08:01:59] <hitlin37> not in marketing ,jus wanted to understand.
  • [08:02:22] <av500> mru explained it :)
  • [08:02:31] <hitlin37> thanks mru
  • [08:02:46] * mru knows *it*
  • [08:02:50] <av500> he
  • [08:04:37] <hitlin37> but,still,going deeper ....for example on cortex a8,do they run strcmp with neon(i think obvious),but then ur main cpu is free then,i mean,benchmarking should b lik something that can make ur all units 100%busy
  • [08:04:52] <av500> ?
  • [08:04:55] <mru> no neon in strcmp
  • [08:05:20] <mru> but it's probably hand-written arm asm
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  • [08:06:03] <mru> benchmarking should measure how fast a system is at doing realistic tasks
  • [08:06:21] <mru> dhrystone is probably the worst benchmark ever made
  • [08:06:27] <av500> there was quake
  • [08:06:44] <hitlin37> yes,agree,realistic task
  • [08:06:55] <mru> if I had hired someone and he wrote code like that, I'd fire him on the spot
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  • [08:09:45] <_koen_> and if you hired him to write benchmarketing?
  • [08:10:00] <mru> I'd still fire him
  • [08:10:07] <mru> it's so obviously flawed
  • [08:11:27] <hitlin37> i think first they invented word benchmarketing,then to make it acceptable,they modified it to benchmark;)
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  • [08:12:33] <siji> Hi All Am getting this error message while playing mp3 file using mpg123
  • [08:12:46] <siji> error: Unable to set up output device! Constraints: 44100, 22050 or 11025Hz.
  • [08:12:55] <siji> How to fix this
  • [08:13:07] <mru> play files with those sample rates
  • [08:13:17] <mru> or use a player capable of resampling
  • [08:14:04] <siji> mru, can you suggest me any player
  • [08:14:15] <av500> ffplay
  • [08:14:19] <siji> ok thanks
  • [08:14:22] <siji> let me try
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  • [08:14:47] <mru> anything using alsa will use the alsa builting shitty resampler
  • [08:14:53] <mru> -g
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  • [08:15:19] * mru wouldn't touch mpg123
  • [08:15:48] <siji> mru, u mean mpg123 -g *.mp3?
  • [08:15:56] <mru> no
  • [08:16:10] <mru> I mean there was a stray g in the line before
  • [08:16:17] <andoma> :)
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  • [08:17:53] <siji> :)
  • [08:25:46] <siji> av500, sorry for bother u , what
  • [08:25:57] <siji> what's the easiest way to install ffplay
  • [08:26:07] <siji> in Angstrom
  • [08:26:35] <mru> I'm not sure ffplay is the best choice for casual mp3 playback
  • [08:27:00] <siji> oh k
  • [08:27:11] <mru> you might try madplay
  • [08:27:17] <siji> ok
  • [08:27:17] <mru> it has alsa output
  • [08:27:28] <siji> let me search it
  • [08:27:32] <mru> should be much faster than mpg123 too
  • [08:27:39] <mru> being fixed-point
  • [08:27:49] <mru> not that it matters much for mp3
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  • [08:31:40] <siji> mru, ok
  • [08:31:46] <siji> I have installed in my device
  • [08:32:04] <siji> testing now
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  • [08:55:14] <siji> mru, i cant hear the sound
  • [08:55:21] <siji> seems like it's playing fast
  • [08:55:42] <siji> (looking into the man page)
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  • [09:27:50] <dm8tbr> koen: http://singlet.bfst.de/psfreedom.tar.bz2 - install seems to fail for some reason, so no harald quality. add it if you like it, throw it away if you don't. :)
  • [09:28:50] <mru> I don't understand all the interest in that hack
  • [09:29:01] <mru> sure, it's an interesting exploit as such
  • [09:29:08] <mru> but it doesn't really let you do anything
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  • [09:29:32] <av500> ppl seem to be more interested into "porting" the hack
  • [09:30:23] <mru> I'd understand it if it enabled pirating of games
  • [09:30:25] <mru> but it doesn't
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  • [09:40:39] <sli_> Hi all !
  • [09:40:57] <sli_> I need to recover my BB rev C2 :'(
  • [09:42:06] <sli_> spent all morning. MMC??recover does not seem to work (no msg on terminal), to I fallback on UART recovery. I??manage to send the xloader, but then ukermit seem to block to send the u-boot img
  • [09:42:13] <sli_> :'(
  • [09:43:27] <sli_> When loading with pserial the x-loader bin is it directly executed from ramsh or is it flash in nand ? Do I??have to use special x-loader bin for this sequence ?
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  • [10:32:10] <jacekowski> mmc recovery should work
  • [10:32:15] <jacekowski> just prepare car as ussual
  • [10:32:24] <jacekowski> and boot it with user button pressed
  • [10:34:08] <ogra> don't forget to check the oil when preparing car ;)
  • [10:34:18] <ogra> (sorry, couldnt resist)
  • [10:34:43] * mru would like a ferrari, but ogra has hoarded them all in his garage
  • [10:34:46] <jacekowski> card*
  • [10:34:51] <jkridner> good morning all.
  • [10:35:09] * av500 would settle for a steak sandwich
  • [10:35:27] <ogra> mru, i dont drive italian cars ! you can have all ferraris out there :)
  • [10:35:30] <mru> morning jkridner
  • [10:35:41] <jacekowski> my car started to cound like 2l yesterday and now on way to work started to sound like 3l + noises of exhaust dragged under car
  • [10:36:08] <jacekowski> sound*
  • [10:36:24] <jacekowski> and it's red like a ferrari
  • [10:36:30] <ogra> that only gets worrying if you actually see sparks in the rearview mirror :)
  • [10:36:38] <jacekowski> so colour is about right
  • [10:36:41] <mru> jacekowski: probably damage to the exhaust between engine and muffler
  • [10:36:41] <jacekowski> sound is about right
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  • [10:37:03] <jacekowski> yeah, it's fixed now
  • [10:37:32] <av500> jacekowski: duct tape?
  • [10:37:37] <jacekowski> nah, welded
  • [10:37:48] <jacekowski> hopefully it's going to last a while
  • [10:37:59] <av500> i bet its now the strongest part of your car :)
  • [10:37:59] <mru> ogra: the exhaust on my mom's car once broke clean off and did fall to the ground
  • [10:38:19] <ogra> heh
  • [10:38:29] <mru> or sagged rather
  • [10:38:34] <ogra> can get expensive ... depending who drives behind you
  • [10:38:38] <mru> there was time to stop the car
  • [10:38:54] <jacekowski> av500: well, welded exhaust starts to rust a lot faster
  • [10:38:55] <mru> it didn't hit the ground while the car was moving
  • [10:39:05] <ogra> ah
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  • [10:39:17] <jacekowski> my father had a problem
  • [10:39:25] <av500> mru: these days, you would stop the car, get phone cam, then start again and utube it....
  • [10:39:27] <jacekowski> because exhaust broke of in a way
  • [10:39:39] <jacekowski> so it wasn't dragged
  • [10:39:40] <jacekowski> but pushed
  • [10:40:09] <mru> that could get badly bent rather quickly
  • [10:40:14] <jacekowski> yep
  • [10:40:24] <mru> full replacement due
  • [10:40:28] <jacekowski> yep
  • [10:41:11] <mru> so after stopping and inspecting the damage, my dad put a rope around the car and continued
  • [10:41:12] <jacekowski> and you don't even know how hard is it to get original fiat exhaust
  • [10:41:26] <av500> ask fiat?
  • [10:41:28] <mru> jacekowski: easy, drive behind one
  • [10:41:38] <jacekowski> and replacement ones are noisy
  • [10:41:53] <jacekowski> and thing is that silencers
  • [10:41:59] <jacekowski> and pipes were all still silver
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  • [10:42:11] <jacekowski> it's just welds that were rusted
  • [10:47:16] <_koen_> mru: does omapfbplay support only decoding for a certain number of frames or certain time?
  • [10:47:33] <av500> patches welcome
  • [10:47:48] <mru> what av500 said
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  • [11:10:53] <Crofton> koen, you know gcc atomics are not available on older compilers?
  • [11:14:41] <dm8tbr> mru: re the psfreedom thing. I don't really care about it. it was more an personal exercise in how to mess with bitbake files. Also it might make koen happier and I'll need his help soon enough.
  • [11:15:11] <mru> dm8tbr: didn't mean it as a personal criticism
  • [11:15:19] <dm8tbr> mru: I didn't take it as such
  • [11:15:43] <dm8tbr> Jeg har ikke selv eier en PS3:)
  • [11:15:48] <dm8tbr> wtf
  • [11:15:57] <dm8tbr> garf, google translate thingy
  • [11:16:03] <mru> if you don't have a ps3, then why bother?
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  • [11:16:43] <dm8tbr> curiosity
  • [11:16:48] <mru> weird norwegian too
  • [11:17:00] <dm8tbr> its what gtrans.pl spewed out
  • [11:17:05] <dm8tbr> so google translate
  • [11:17:21] <dm8tbr> apparently it reacted on the 'nb:'
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  • [11:17:55] <mru> "jeg eier ikke selv en ps3" would be more correct
  • [11:18:02] <dm8tbr> 'nb: I don't even own an PS3' was then translated
  • [11:18:12] * mru isn't quite sure of norwegian grammar
  • [11:18:23] <av500> and why norwegian?
  • [11:18:35] <dm8tbr> av500: nb seems to be the code for norsk bokmal
  • [11:18:57] * dm8tbr has to be more careful with gtrans :)
  • [11:19:02] <av500> ah
  • [11:19:26] <dm8tbr> http://scripts.irssi.org/html/gtrans.pl.html
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  • [11:19:55] * mru understands norwegian, so no harm done :-)
  • [11:19:57] <dm8tbr> It helps me to understand ze frensh in #openaos-fr and the finncrypt in some other channels
  • [11:19:57] <av500> dm8tbr: no thanks, i prefer to be able to know what I say
  • [11:20:15] <dm8tbr> av500: I use it 99,9% for reading
  • [11:20:45] <dm8tbr> I hate to use it for saying something. as you said I don't know what I'm saying.
  • [11:21:16] <av500> i loled at the schmidt ifa keynote where they did live DE->EN and vice versa. as it was staged, they knew when to retry the translation, but irl, you would try to order fish at the shoe store or so...
  • [11:21:46] <dm8tbr> I had someone use ukrainian->google->english on me on IRC once. that was a severe pain
  • [11:22:21] <dm8tbr> aha, what was it they were showing?
  • [11:22:32] <av500> some live translate foo
  • [11:22:37] <dm8tbr> ok
  • [11:22:43] <av500> u talk to phone, phone talks to shop clerk
  • [11:23:10] <dm8tbr> 'Ich moechte diesen Teppich nicht kaufen!' 'Prost!'
  • [11:23:15] <av500> yep
  • [11:23:50] <dm8tbr> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epRhCFauHaI
  • [11:23:54] <av500> 90% accuraccy is nothing if the other 10% gets you a knife in the ribs
  • [11:26:25] <koen> Crofton: I know, but who is using older compilers on omap3?
  • [11:26:36] <av500> 2.9.5?
  • [11:26:38] <koen> Crofton: since openscenegraph depends on the gles libs
  • [11:26:39] <av500> err 2.95
  • [11:26:49] <Crofton> I thought 4.3 did not have them
  • [11:27:14] <mru> they are a fairly recent addition on arm
  • [11:28:31] <Crofton> I don't have an issue with things not buildsing on older compilers
  • [11:28:53] <Crofton> just wanted to make sure you knew those intrinsics caused issues with bost
  • [11:29:15] <Crofton> osc looks like it isn't widely used
  • [11:29:24] <koen> Crofton: buglabs backported them: http://gitorious.org/angstrom/openembedded/commit/9ec3af92cf007aea048ac39b3c0670c6095a7aa4
  • [11:30:00] <Crofton> ok
  • [11:30:06] <Crofton> thanks for reminding me
  • [11:31:07] <Crofton> ok, that clears up one thing that has been bugging me
  • [11:31:34] <Crofton> now I need to figure out why I have a native compile error with 2010 that does not happen with the cross build
  • [11:31:40] <Crofton> involved the atomics
  • [11:37:21] <mru> 2010?
  • [11:42:31] <koen> angstrom 2010, that uses gcc 4.5-svn
  • [11:42:41] <koen> highly experimental as you might have guessed
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  • [11:48:02] <Crofton> you should have named it 2011
  • [11:48:41] <av500> isnt 2012 when it all ends?
  • [11:48:47] <Crofton> yeah
  • [11:48:54] <Crofton> Palin/Beck 2012!
  • [11:49:03] <mru> av500: in which doomsday theory?
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  • [12:05:14] <lilly> Hello All, I am getting following error continuously when i run android 2.1 with linux kernel 2.6.32 on beagleboard
  • [12:05:26] <lilly> error is "twl4030 operation mode cannot be changed on-the-fly"
  • [12:05:36] <lilly> what does it mean and how can i resolve it
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  • [12:44:27] <cbrake> koen: I am getting a firefox build error: http://tinderbox.openembedded.net/packages/743500/
  • [12:44:36] <cbrake> koen: do you happen to know offhand what might be happening?
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  • [13:02:54] <sli_> lilly twl 4030 is a companion chip to omap and is responsible for powering, audio, usb OTG
  • [13:03:50] <sli_> You shall see which mode is being changed and try to disable it
  • [13:05:08] <sli_> jacekowski I tried mmc first but it did not work (use sd card with FAT16 partition). nothing appeared on the terminal
  • [13:05:48] <sli_> maybe RevC2 is not concerned by mmc recovery
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  • [13:11:25] <cbrake> koen: sakoman informed me this happens if you have the same version of ff installed on the build machine
  • [13:12:08] * mru senses severely fucked up build system
  • [13:14:40] <sli_> I finally managed to restore my beagleboard by serial
  • [13:16:31] <sli_> did someone get the usb/OTG??working with USB??disk under uboot ?
  • [13:16:53] <sli_> OMAP3 beagleboard.org # usb reset
  • [13:16:53] <sli_> (Re)start USB...
  • [13:16:53] <sli_> USB: scanning bus for devices... New Device 0
  • [13:16:53] <sli_> usb_control_msg: request: 0x6, requesttype: 0x80, value 0x100 index 0x0 length 0x40 timeout 100
  • [13:16:53] <sli_> usb_new_device: usb_get_descriptor() failed
  • [13:16:54] <sli_> No USB Device found
  • [13:16:56] <sli_> scanning bus for storage devices... 0 Storage Device(s) found
  • [13:19:18] <sakoman> http://blogs.arm.com/software-enablement/using-ds5-with-gumstix-overo/
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  • [13:20:10] <sakoman> ah, sorry! I see Jason already posted that link
  • [13:20:15] * mru is not impressed
  • [13:20:25] <mru> not not by the overo
  • [13:20:49] <Kmus> why not mru?
  • [13:21:02] <Kmus> oh wait.. double negative
  • [13:21:27] <mru> the overo is impressive indeed
  • [13:23:55] <Kmus> Yea it looks a nice bit peice of kit
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  • [13:35:50] <djlewis> hmm, next to 50p and i dont have a clue how big a 50p is :P
  • [13:36:38] <mru> slightly larger than your largest coin
  • [13:37:41] <Kmus> I remember when 50p's were 30% larger.. infact i`ve still got a few :S
  • [13:37:47] <djlewis> using the connectors as reference I put it in the US nickel to quarter area
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  • [13:38:18] <djlewis> a silver dollar is pretty big
  • [13:38:26] <mru> oh, I didn't include that
  • [13:38:35] <mru> you largest _common_ coin
  • [13:38:38] <mru> your
  • [13:38:42] <mru> guess that's the quarter
  • [13:38:46] <sakoman> djlewis: iirc, the board is about 1.5" x 4" (about half the size of a Beagle)
  • [13:38:51] <mru> you have so silly names for your money
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  • [13:39:11] <av500> why a duck?
  • [13:39:17] <djlewis> we have silly names for lots of things
  • [13:39:36] <djlewis> all in an effort to be different
  • [13:39:54] <Kmus> Yea, like dropping the u from colour ;)
  • [13:40:00] <djlewis> not saying that is good or bad
  • [13:40:18] <djlewis> and I often use the u in cilour
  • [13:40:27] <djlewis> colour
  • [13:40:30] <av500> coloru?
  • [13:40:53] <djlewis> :)
  • [13:41:32] <Kmus> actually you can put the u anywhere between the c and r, still sounds the same
  • [13:41:50] <mru> cuolor
  • [13:42:07] <Crofton> koen, add a carriage return
  • [13:42:26] <av500> co
  • [13:42:28] <av500> lor
  • [13:42:33] <av500> Crofton: sound wrong
  • [13:42:36] <av500> +s
  • [13:42:45] <djlewis> do i sense a friday...
  • [13:42:58] <mru> friduay
  • [13:43:02] <djlewis> hehee
  • [13:43:06] <av500> heheeu
  • [13:43:10] <Kmus> rofl
  • [13:43:11] <djlewis> lol
  • [13:43:18] <av500> loul
  • [13:43:25] <djlewis> STOP!
  • [13:43:27] <av500> british spelling please!
  • [13:43:29] <mru> stoup
  • [13:43:42] <av500> mr: ok
  • [13:43:49] <djlewis> hehee
  • [13:44:12] <djlewis> av500: makes me spit my coffee out from laughing
  • [13:44:25] <mru> see, _there_ you're happy to use a u
  • [13:44:32] * av500 is happy irc is only text
  • [13:44:46] <mru> it can have ascii-art
  • [13:44:48] <Kmus> me too
  • [13:45:00] <djlewis> you dont want coffee spewed in your face ;)
  • [13:45:11] <av500> not from you :)
  • [13:45:28] <Kmus> I can't beleive they blocked bash.org here but IRC is fine :|
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  • [13:47:51] <mru> trouble believing? maybe you should try an Electric_Monk
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  • [13:48:12] <Kmus> I wish I knew what that meant
  • [13:48:24] <mru> read more douglas adams
  • [13:48:27] <av500> Electric_Monk believes for you
  • [13:48:36] <av500> like a vcr watches tv for you
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  • [13:52:26] <tsaaps> hey all, which kernel versions are you guys using?
  • [13:52:38] <mru> on beagle?
  • [13:52:46] <djlewis> a broad spectrum
  • [13:53:14] <mru> mostly things in the 2.6.32-33 vicinity
  • [13:53:24] <tsaaps> yep, on beagle
  • [13:53:36] <tsaaps> ah, thx
  • [13:53:37] <djlewis> 2.6.28 thru 2.6.31
  • [13:54:33] <tsaaps> i saw some differences between the kernel.org 2.6.34 and my oe-2.6.29 that I think might be important
  • [13:54:49] <tsaaps> was just wondering if maybe my kernel is hopelessly out of date
  • [13:55:03] <djlewis> not if it works for you
  • [13:55:12] <mru> .29 is a bit old
  • [13:55:16] <mru> a lot has been improved
  • [13:55:18] <av500> its fine
  • [13:55:25] <av500> :)
  • [13:55:29] <mru> and a lot has been broken
  • [13:55:37] <djlewis> I was waiting
  • [13:55:44] <tsaaps> mcbsp+dma wasn't bieng set up properly by the kernel, i have the impression. Or, I messed something up ;)
  • [13:56:08] <mru> power management has had quite a few changes
  • [13:56:23] <av500> pm is permanently under construction
  • [13:56:24] <mru> when it works, it works better
  • [13:56:30] <mru> and when it fails, it fails harder
  • [13:56:54] <mru> then dss2 has been merged
  • [13:57:06] <mru> which is nice if you need a display
  • [13:57:28] <mru> bunch usb fixes have gone in
  • [13:57:31] <mru> only a little breakage
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  • [13:58:08] <mru> .32 and later work better for most people
  • [13:58:19] <mru> but you might be one of those for whom it doesn't
  • [13:58:34] <mru> no upgrade for you in that case
  • [13:58:39] <mru> life is hard sometimes
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  • [13:59:05] <Kmus> I read a comment yesterday that beagle isnt recommended for commerial/production use
  • [13:59:10] <av500> true
  • [13:59:22] <Kmus> why is this?
  • [13:59:31] <mru> there are very few promises
  • [13:59:50] <av500> and the ppl who do it, dont do it for the money
  • [14:00:00] <Kmus> as in.. in terms of long term reliability, etc.
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  • [14:00:07] <mru> they do it for the fun
  • [14:00:07] <av500> and price
  • [14:00:16] <mru> and the more money they get, the more fun they have
  • [14:00:17] <av500> commercially it would be like $300
  • [14:00:46] <Kmus> Would it be more expensive due to profit or better PCB / components
  • [14:01:10] <av500> Kmus: it would be more due to the ppl doing it having to pay rent
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  • [14:01:13] <av500> and eat
  • [14:01:24] <Kmus> ok, so the underlying hardware would remain the same
  • [14:01:29] <av500> more or less
  • [14:01:49] <Crofton> Kmus, what do you want to do with it?
  • [14:01:52] <Kmus> I would like to use the Beagle in a commerical/production unit, due to cost / size / feature set
  • [14:02:04] <Kmus> Audio streaming (over IP)
  • [14:02:04] <av500> Kmus: there are ppl the make BB clones
  • [14:02:09] <av500> that
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  • [14:02:16] <Crofton> Kmus, look at the gumstix Overo
  • [14:02:19] <Kmus> but not using the on-board codec, high performance audio (via I2S)
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  • [14:02:50] <Kmus> yea, I`ve looked at alot of boards.. beagle was by far the most 'active' in terms of support and community..
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  • [14:03:05] <mahling> anybody there?
  • [14:03:17] <djlewis> no
  • [14:03:20] <Kmus> maybe
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  • [14:05:02] <mahling> hey i need to interface a USB-camera with Beagle board on Linux(Angstrom Distribution),please help me over this
  • [14:05:12] <djlewis> plug it in
  • [14:05:29] <mru> make sure to use matching connectors
  • [14:05:50] <mru> forcing the wrong shape of plug won't work
  • [14:06:16] <djlewis> forcing it in upside down wont help either
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  • [14:06:32] <mru> that's a special case of wrong shape
  • [14:06:33] <mahling> i don't know where the data coming from the Camera is going .. i need to get the Data and use it
  • [14:06:47] <mru> the data moves along the wires
  • [14:06:49] <djlewis> hmmm
  • [14:07:04] <mahling> hye i am serious
  • [14:07:11] <djlewis> i'm spewing coffee again
  • [14:07:12] <mru> we're not
  • [14:07:21] <av500> mahling: usb cameras work nicely with linux
  • [14:08:02] <av500> using e.g. v4l2 to access the data
  • [14:08:23] <djlewis> mplayer, ffmpeg, gstreamer
  • [14:08:33] <mahling> i want to compress the Camera Raw video data into mpeg4 and use that for live streaming
  • [14:08:48] <mahling> through wirelesscomm
  • [14:09:01] <av500> mahling: yes, but the usb + compress part is not BB specific
  • [14:09:09] <av500> its well supported under linux
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  • [14:11:56] <mahling> av500: Hey i want to send the video wirelessly to the ground station from my UAV.i want to stream it live wirelessely. so i need to inerface a camera.
  • [14:12:13] <av500> yes, so?
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  • [14:12:24] <av500> mahling: usb cameras work nicely with linux
  • [14:12:26] <djlewis> i think the hawkboard folks do that
  • [14:12:52] <mahling> ok thanks
  • [14:13:54] <mahling> do i nedd to write any specic programs to process the camera output?
  • [14:14:30] <djlewis> mahling: there is so much info out there already on what you are asking
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  • [14:15:46] <mahling> djlewis::can you please send the link?
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  • [14:16:51] <djlewis> mahling: i could google for you but then you would not have the fun ;)
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  • [14:18:28] <mahling> http://beagleboard.org/project/BeagleUAV/
  • [14:19:24] <mahling> As gshown in above link...I want to send video wirelessly using Zigbee...Not much info is given there....Any Suggesions
  • [14:20:03] <djlewis> I suggest ethernet wired or wifi
  • [14:21:22] <mru> so when an cortex-a15 chip comes out, will there be an animal board for that?
  • [14:21:29] <mahling> i want Longer Range ......i can't use wire for 2km in space for my Unmanned Air Vechicle
  • [14:21:30] <mru> if so, it should be the eagle board
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  • [14:21:55] <jacekowski> 2km
  • [14:22:09] <mru> VHF
  • [14:22:11] <jacekowski> nothing unlicensed can do it in moving vehicle
  • [14:22:26] <mru> depends on what data rate you need
  • [14:22:35] <djlewis> telemetry
  • [14:22:36] <jacekowski> you would need directional antennas to do it within 100mW power limit
  • [14:22:43] <mru> a CB radio can do the range easily
  • [14:22:49] <Kmus> and your video codec needs to be pretty good at covering up bit errors
  • [14:22:50] <jacekowski> but CB is licensed
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  • [14:23:07] * mru doesn't know US radio regulations
  • [14:23:17] * djlewis thought the fcc gave up regulating cb
  • [14:23:31] <mru> in sweden there used to be an entirely unlicensed band around 27MHz
  • [14:23:37] <av500> CB does not carry video nicely
  • [14:23:38] <mru> limited power of course
  • [14:23:44] <av500> mru: CB
  • [14:23:45] <mru> but good enough for a few km
  • [14:23:51] <b7500af1> the Xbee 900's can get a couple km.. 50mW tx
  • [14:24:11] <djlewis> arent they serial interface
  • [14:24:22] <jacekowski> b7500af1: impossible
  • [14:24:22] <b7500af1> think so
  • [14:24:47] <jevin> av500: if cb carried any video it would have to be slowscan
  • [14:24:52] <av500> yep
  • [14:24:57] <djlewis> we are talking slow scan ham bands
  • [14:25:16] <b7500af1> http://www.digi.com/products/wireless/zigbee-mesh/xbee-digimesh-900.jsp#specs
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  • [14:26:00] <jacekowski> up to
  • [14:26:03] <av500> 156 Kbps
  • [14:26:12] <av500> that will be nice video
  • [14:26:20] <jacekowski> it's all up to
  • [14:26:27] <jacekowski> so you get full speed at minimum range
  • [14:26:33] <jacekowski> and barely any speed at full range
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  • [14:27:48] <mahling> which IDE and debugger should i use for my beagle board?
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  • [14:28:04] <av500> vi and brain
  • [14:28:17] * djlewis grabs mouth
  • [14:28:28] <djlewis> darn coffee everywhere
  • [14:29:17] <av500> mahling: you dont need IDE and fancy debugger to start with the BB
  • [14:29:19] <mru> av500: I prefer a full linux system as IDE
  • [14:29:25] <mru> only vi gets a bit limited
  • [14:29:30] <av500> mru: nitpicking, are we?
  • [14:29:47] <mru> you don't need a fancy ide or debugger _ever_
  • [14:29:55] <mru> not to start, nor to continue
  • [14:29:55] <av500> mru: full GNU/Linux system?
  • [14:30:00] <mru> not even to finish
  • [14:30:17] <mru> av500: using only gnu tools wouldn't get you very far
  • [14:30:18] * djlewis listens
  • [14:30:31] <mru> so a full-gnu system is out of the question
  • [14:30:36] <mru> I doubt it could even boot
  • [14:31:01] * mru notes that util-linux is not a gnu project
  • [14:31:08] <mahling> can we use Keil DS-5 as IDE .. how's it?
  • [14:31:23] <mru> do you like hype?
  • [14:31:24] <av500> mahling: why?
  • [14:31:34] <mahling> no
  • [14:31:36] <av500> mahling: you can edit your code and type make
  • [14:31:50] <mahling> i want it to be simple
  • [14:31:52] <av500> heck, you can even put "make" on F3
  • [14:32:02] <mru> ds5 is but gcc in ide clothing
  • [14:32:19] <av500> mahling: simple? buy a finished product
  • [14:32:31] <mru> simple? go far away from any IDE
  • [14:33:22] <djlewis> simple, leave computer technology now
  • [14:33:33] <mahling> mru: so you mean i should write code using VI and compile it on Linux?
  • [14:33:53] <mru> write code using your favourite editor and compile it with your favourite compiler
  • [14:34:03] <mru> I use mostly emacs and gcc
  • [14:34:04] <djlewis> load and run
  • [14:34:15] <mru> sometimes vi and sometimes other compilers
  • [14:34:19] <mru> never an IDE
  • [14:34:26] <djlewis> notepad would do
  • [14:34:36] <mru> that's not a very good choice
  • [14:34:46] <djlewis> hehee
  • [14:34:58] <mru> at least get something with syntax highlighting and automatic indentation
  • [14:35:09] <mru> on windows notepad++ is a half-decent editor
  • [14:35:15] <mru> or emacs of course
  • [14:35:21] <djlewis> if writing and compiling local on BB I like Geany
  • [14:35:23] <mahling> mru: which is the best language(dont' tell me english) to wrtie program for linux?
  • [14:35:31] <mru> assembler :-)
  • [14:35:58] <djlewis> this assumes you are a asm guru like mru
  • [14:37:14] <mahling> i would like to write my code in C language .. is it possible?
  • [14:37:32] <mru> C is often a good choice
  • [14:37:37] <mru> depends on what you want to do
  • [14:37:52] <djlewis> and the more common choice
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  • [14:39:41] <mahling> any good link on C programming for Linux(BB)?
  • [14:39:59] <koen> what's beagleboard specific about C?
  • [14:40:04] <djlewis> me is thinking on a BK Precision 2709B to replace his 25 year old Hickok mx-333 DMM
  • [14:40:53] * mru recommends ISO 9899:1999
  • [14:41:42] <djlewis> $100 - $150US limit here
  • [14:42:14] <djlewis> still have many other tech tools on list
  • [14:43:12] <av500> djlewis: I would stay away from stuff that has "precision" in the name
  • [14:43:22] <av500> better have precision in what it does
  • [14:43:34] <av500> $150 should get you a good used fluke
  • [14:43:44] <djlewis> av500: I do understand where you are coming from.
  • [14:43:51] <mru> you mean a well-used one
  • [14:44:03] * koen has a used fluke and loving it
  • [14:44:04] <djlewis> Would the Fluke include up to 60mf capacitor measurement?
  • [14:44:21] <mru> unless by some fluke you manage score a nice specimen
  • [14:44:34] <djlewis> Yeah, these lowend Flukes are over $200 starting
  • [14:44:36] <av500> djlewis: do you need that?
  • [14:44:40] <av500> http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Fluke-117-Multimeter-DMM-w-EXTRA-SMD-CLIP-/400149867971?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d2aca6dc3
  • [14:44:44] * mru has used a fluke and it seemed nice
  • [14:44:49] <av500> its already close to $150
  • [14:44:57] <av500> and new
  • [14:45:00] <djlewis> I service power supplies and such with large caps.
  • [14:45:27] <djlewis> thats a bid only
  • [14:45:32] * mru checks large caps with ohm meter
  • [14:45:53] <mru> should show low resistance at first, then turn high as it charges up
  • [14:45:56] <djlewis> well if you add a sine wave and a timer you can compute the capacity
  • [14:46:22] <av500> djlewis: buy it now is 169
  • [14:46:23] <mru> with large ones all you usually care about is good or bad
  • [14:46:26] * djlewis is tired of testing that way
  • [14:46:39] <mru> bad usually meaning they leak
  • [14:46:45] <mru> which is easily detected with an ohm meter
  • [14:46:47] <mahling> What will be the data rate of the MPEG-4 Encoded video coming out of BB
  • [14:46:48] <djlewis> Not in these new pwm power supplies, things get more critical
  • [14:46:50] <av500> bad means they are all over the psu
  • [14:47:02] <djlewis> sometimes
  • [14:47:04] <mru> av500: or that
  • [14:47:12] <av500> bad also means they are not from japan :)
  • [14:47:27] <djlewis> you got your countries mixed up
  • [14:47:36] <djlewis> oh you got it right
  • [14:47:38] <mahling> What will be the data rate of the MPEG-4 Encoded video coming out of BB.
  • [14:47:59] <av500> djlewis: http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Fluke-17B-Multimeter-DMM-w-EXTRA-SMD-CLIP-/250693900998?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a5e855ac6
  • [14:48:10] <djlewis> mahling: too many variables to compute
  • [14:48:51] <av500> djlewis: ebay is just to get some price points....
  • [14:49:08] * jevin also has a used fluke, got it for $200 but it was calibrated!
  • [14:49:15] <djlewis> yeah, I google and see what turns up
  • [14:50:09] <djlewis> av500: the $100 BK actually got a decent review in that price range
  • [14:50:11] <jevin> i got a fluke 8840a
  • [14:50:34] <djlewis> and BK has been around in US since I was a young fart
  • [14:50:42] <mahling> Video Res: 320x240 and 30fps Raw Video when coded in MPEG-4 format....gives what data rate(in kbps/Mbps)??
  • [14:51:37] <djlewis> if you start with a camera that outputs raw so there is no early conversion . .
  • [14:51:42] <mahling> djlewis: Video Res: 320x240 and 30fps Raw Video when coded in MPEG-4 format....gives what data rate(in kbps/Mbps)??
  • [14:51:43] <mru> 0.2 bits per pixel is rough estimate for decent-quality mpeg4
  • [14:52:36] <av500> djlewis: yellow fluke looks cooler still!
  • [14:52:56] <djlewis> mahling: i think we can olny offer theoritical results as there are many parameters that enter the eq
  • [14:53:08] <djlewis> or ideal results
  • [14:53:15] <mru> we could guess
  • [14:53:20] * mru guesses 54
  • [14:53:23] <djlewis> av500: yes, the fluke is cool and rugged
  • [14:53:41] <mahling> djlewis: K....Thanks...That was helpful.
  • [14:53:45] <av500> djlewis: ok, we settled that then, NEXT!
  • [14:53:52] * mru fails to think of a nice submarine joke
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  • [14:54:55] <jevin> what is this wizardry? gfx in emacs? http://julien.danjou.info/google-weather-el.html
  • [14:55:30] <djlewis> mahling: i might add that BB rev c4 and below are only getting about 10fps avg in the 640x480 range
  • [14:55:43] <djlewis> on a very good day
  • [14:56:10] <av500> jevin: 16x16 pngs
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  • [14:56:19] <djlewis> av500: I like weller for solder stations
  • [14:56:53] <djlewis> once again mine has been great but is obsolete and cang get parts
  • [14:57:03] <djlewis> s/cang/cant
  • [14:57:38] <djlewis> an old EC2000
  • [14:57:44] <dm8tbr> magnastat <3
  • [14:57:46] <av500> djlewis: http://www.flickr.com/photos/av500/4976466501/
  • [14:58:09] <mahling> djlewis: Is there any command line software where we can customize the video quality (Resolution, fps, etc..).....so that we can finally get a low bit rate video with descent quality.
  • [14:58:27] <djlewis> i gotta make a fresh pot of coffee if I am gonna get to drink sny today :(
  • [14:58:49] <djlewis> av500: is that yours?
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  • [14:59:05] <av500> oops, it still has a uni property tag on it...
  • [14:59:11] <Kmus> you may have missed the sponge a few times..
  • [14:59:34] <av500> Kmus: a few hundred students before me
  • [14:59:45] <av500> in the times when student still soldered
  • [15:00:05] <av500> that institute switched to matlab solvering
  • [15:00:13] <mahling> djlewis: Is there any command line software where we can customize the video quality (Resolution, fps, etc..).....so that we can finally get a low bit rate video with descent quality.
  • [15:00:18] <av500> ffmpeg
  • [15:00:20] <djlewis> mahling: most of the existing programs I listed earlier have args
  • [15:00:45] <av500> mahling: I would propose you get a usb webcam and hook it to your linux pc and play with that 1st
  • [15:01:10] <djlewis> try the different programs available
  • [15:01:11] <dm8tbr> av500++
  • [15:01:11] <av500> once you have all that working you can move to the BB
  • [15:01:35] <av500> most of your questions are generic and not BB related
  • [15:01:40] <djlewis> then be prepared for a big slow down
  • [15:01:57] <av500> djlewis: 320x240 should be manageable
  • [15:02:18] <dm8tbr> some usb-cams already deliver mjpeg output IIRC
  • [15:02:24] <dm8tbr> no need for reencoding
  • [15:02:26] <av500> even better then
  • [15:02:30] <djlewis> av500: reminds me of my first colour computer display monitor
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  • [15:02:48] <av500> djlewis: it had solder holes?
  • [15:03:03] <djlewis> it has 350x200 rez
  • [15:03:06] <av500> ah
  • [15:03:12] <djlewis> Hercules mode
  • [15:04:07] <djlewis> actually that is wrong, I used a Text displayon composite first
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  • [15:07:10] <mru> it's strange with computers, as tiny as they were back then, they were still as much fun as anything you can get today
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  • [15:07:45] <djlewis> tiny? my second in 81 is rack mountable
  • [15:07:53] <mru> logically tiny
  • [15:08:03] <djlewis> oh, yes
  • [15:15:31] <djlewis> av500: you can see the old weller (ot as old as yours) far right http://imagebin.org/113526
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  • [15:18:50] <av500> djlewis: I have some nwer wellers here too :)
  • [15:19:22] <av500> but you have a fireplace next to workbemch, nice
  • [15:19:55] <djlewis> Yes, reason for placing the bench there. I have to use the fp more to save utility costs
  • [15:20:37] <djlewis> three months last winter ran about $300US and i kept the temp set at 50 to 60F
  • [15:20:38] <av500> I'll try that argument on the boss :)
  • [15:20:49] <djlewis> $300 each
  • [15:21:39] <djlewis> here I get a pickup ( american std size) bed of wood, a rick for about $60 to $80 depending
  • [15:23:25] <djlewis> av500: i am kinda thinking on this cheapy but I dont expect it would last years like a weller
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  • [15:23:35] <djlewis> http://www.electronickits.com/kit/complete/kita/VTSSC40NU_Deluxe_Soldering_Station.htm
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  • [15:25:59] <Kmus> Home time, l8r all
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  • [15:26:20] <av500> djlewis: I also have one of these: http://www.artisan-scientific.com/66104.htm
  • [15:26:47] <djlewis> hmm rework, I was considering that option too.
  • [15:27:23] <av500> the suction thing is a bit obosolete these days...
  • [15:27:32] <av500> but the heat gun is nice (not pictured)
  • [15:27:53] <djlewis> heat blowers with assorted nozzles seem handy
  • [15:28:20] * av500 needs to order more nozzles
  • [15:28:40] <djlewis> i was looking at rework station with heated smd tweezers
  • [15:29:45] <av500> yes, I should get these too
  • [15:30:01] <av500> atm is just use 2 irons
  • [15:30:20] <av500> or i just blow 'em off the pcb ...
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  • [15:31:50] <djlewis> also I see they only show smd removal with the tweezers but it seems they would work to apply as well.
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  • [15:32:18] <djlewis> with a tool in the other hand to hold the component down when removinfg tweezer
  • [15:32:25] <hatten|> they do, I use them often
  • [15:32:43] <djlewis> hatten|: cool
  • [15:33:17] <hatten|> and yes, I recommend holding them down :)
  • [15:33:30] <av500> djlewis: all use cases that involve 2 hot metal tips
  • [15:33:40] <av500> cattle branding
  • [15:33:54] <djlewis> bug roasting
  • [15:34:10] <djlewis> maybe not, that would be smelly
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  • [15:35:09] <djlewis> the LCD monitors I rework use SMD mostly for small components but larger thru hole semi's, caps, coils and such
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  • [15:46:45] <emeb> djlewis: nice bench!
  • [15:47:12] <djlewis> emeb: thanks and gm to you
  • [15:48:41] <emeb> djlewis: needs a BB on it tho.
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  • [15:49:15] <djlewis> emeb: i'll move the BB onto it this weekend :)
  • [15:49:35] <av500> djlewis: need a forklift?
  • [15:49:54] <emeb> tonka forklift?
  • [15:50:42] * djlewis just discovered a blank external usb 2.5" sata drive in a box, cool
  • [15:50:50] <djlewis> 250GB
  • [15:51:36] <emeb> nice
  • [15:52:21] <emeb> djlewis: you also need something like this: http://www.lightbulbemporium.com/satco_77_437_77_437.asp
  • [15:52:33] <emeb> handy for close-up soldering...
  • [15:52:59] <djlewis> emeb: yes, I have a big Luxo upstairs
  • [15:53:05] <emeb> better still
  • [15:53:12] <djlewis> I use it a lot thses days
  • [15:53:18] <djlewis> need new glasses
  • [15:53:42] <emeb> yep - can't focus up close like I used to.
  • [15:53:56] <djlewis> but I dont have a bench clamp for it. I made a stand from a block of 2x4 screwed to the workbench upstairs
  • [15:54:11] <emeb> the clamps _always_ reek
  • [15:54:27] <djlewis> emeb: have you used thatr unit?
  • [15:54:40] <emeb> I've got one that looks much the same
  • [15:54:45] <emeb> black tho
  • [15:55:03] <djlewis> id be concerned of the cheap knock offs having distorted lense
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  • [15:55:15] <emeb> hmmm - lens isn't bad
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  • [15:55:35] <emeb> but then it's hard to mess up a big thing like that...
  • [15:55:42] <djlewis> am I reading the unit is $15.29 or the bulb for it?
  • [15:56:00] <emeb> they are very inexpensive
  • [15:56:06] <emeb> one might say 'cheap'
  • [15:56:09] <djlewis> not like the Luxo
  • [15:56:28] <emeb> Luxo = $$$ (name kinda implies that)
  • [15:56:38] <emeb> but I assume they're well made
  • [15:56:39] <djlewis> I bet I could make a 5" fast fl telescope from the luxo lens ;)
  • [15:57:16] <emeb> Cheap swing-arms always start drooping after a while - springs or joint friction gives out
  • [15:57:35] <djlewis> yep, other big prob
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  • [15:59:48] <emeb> bbib
  • [16:00:05] <djlewis> me too
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  • [16:20:23] <Jake_213> greetings. I'm trying to get my BB to output alternating frames, say one black, one white, extremely quickly and without tearing. But I seem unable to achieve either. I've tried GL, DirectFB, QT, and I get obvious tearing issues (plus, it seems like it should be able to blaze through two solid frames, so I'm assuming it's not double buffering and just swapping each frame) -- has anyone worked with VSYNC/double buffering issues?
  • [16:22:11] * mru points at omapfbplay
  • [16:22:29] * av500 points at google VSYNC
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  • [16:24:36] <Jake_213> hm... omapfbplay is a good idea, thanks. And av500, what's google? I've never heard of it.
  • [16:25:11] <mru> ah, maybe you're still using lycos
  • [16:25:27] <av500> http://search.lycos.com/?query=google
  • [16:25:27] <Jake_213> webcrawler ;-)
  • [16:26:11] <av500> Jake_213: buy latest issue of internet yellow pages...
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  • [18:13:32] <Crofton> if I do unaligned load/store to NEON, will that work ok
  • [18:13:37] <Crofton> I understand it may be slow
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  • [18:22:59] <_av500_> yes
  • [18:23:17] <_av500_> but you can set constraints
  • [18:23:22] <_av500_> iirc
  • [18:26:02] <mru> a load/store with alignment hints takes one cycle
  • [18:26:13] <mru> without takes two
  • [18:26:24] <mru> whether or not the address is aligned
  • [18:27:56] <_av500_> so hint gains one cycle on aligned
  • [18:28:06] <mru> and crashes on unaligned
  • [18:28:20] <_av500_> fair deak
  • [18:28:23] <_av500_> fair deal
  • [18:28:27] <mru> promise would be more accurate than hint
  • [18:28:40] <mru> break your promise, cpu gets pissed off
  • [18:29:03] <_av500_> dont cross the cpu :)
  • [18:29:39] <emeb> when the cpu aint happy, aint nobody happy
  • [18:29:42] <dm8tbr> and may the schwartz be with you
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  • [18:36:43] <djlewis_> the master processor is a control freak
  • [18:37:48] <djlewis_> you guys are making me think of tron for some reason...
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  • [18:56:53] <Josephhh> Hello.
  • [18:58:04] <Josephhh> Can someone help me with installing android on a beagleboard?
  • [18:58:12] <_av500_> google?
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  • [18:59:34] <Josephhh> Well, I am following this: http://labs.embinux.org/index.php/Android-Eclair_porting_guide_to_BeagleBoard
  • [18:59:53] <Josephhh> But for some reason I cannot checkout from that repo.
  • [19:00:06] <Josephhh> fatal: read error (Connection reset by peer) fatal: cannot obtain manifest
  • [19:00:11] <Josephhh> Is this a known issue?
  • [19:01:55] <_av500_> yes
  • [19:01:59] <_av500_> use 0xdroid
  • [19:02:04] <_av500_> or rowboat
  • [19:02:54] <koen> or put yoghurt in a freezer
  • [19:03:10] <Josephhh> _av500_: Is there a url with instructions for those?
  • [19:03:21] <mru> google.com
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  • [19:13:13] <Josephhh> Would you recommend one over the other?
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  • [19:14:40] <mru> I don't like yoghurt much, so I recommend google.com
  • [19:15:35] <emeb> yoghurt doesn't usually return very good search results
  • [19:15:58] <emeb> but google is fairly low in calcium and other nutrients
  • [19:16:00] <mru> in some of them you might find some fruit
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  • [19:16:35] <koen> sounds like friday
  • [19:16:54] <emeb> kinda predictable...
  • [19:19:54] <Josephhh> ...
  • [19:20:11] <_av500_> Josephhh: #android
  • [19:20:15] <_av500_> and #rowboat
  • [19:20:21] <_av500_> might have better answers
  • [19:21:07] <Josephhh> Alright.
  • [19:21:19] <Josephhh> Thanks.
  • [19:21:37] <koen> oh look, it's beer o'clock
  • [19:21:59] <_av500_> yup
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  • [19:26:24] <djlewis_> i need to set my clock to the beer time clock
  • [19:26:48] * _av500_ is down to one cold bottle, needs to restock
  • [19:27:05] <mru> _av500_: cellar empty?
  • [19:27:32] <harsh> is anyone having embinux source ?
  • [19:27:42] * djlewis_ tries to keep a 30 pack in the fridge
  • [19:29:08] <_av500_> mru: no, need to go down
  • [19:29:29] <mru> _av500_: not much of an issue then
  • [19:29:30] <djlewis_> oh, but trolls hang out in cellars
  • [19:29:37] <mru> hmm
  • [19:29:44] * mru contemplates a raid...
  • [19:29:49] <djlewis_> hehee
  • [19:29:49] <_av500_> djlewis_: also under bridges
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  • [19:29:55] <emeb> suddenly mru's alter ego becomes clear
  • [19:30:05] <mru> I know where he lives...
  • [19:30:16] <djlewis_> yes... yes... :)
  • [19:30:32] <_av500_> mru: just tell me so i can stock up good
  • [19:31:02] <mru> well, I'm in .de this month
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  • [19:33:26] <mru> and your weekends are probably more regulated than mine
  • [19:33:32] <emeb> no good beer in .de, or no cellar
  • [19:33:38] <Ceriand|work> anyone ever tried to get the ECHI ports working in u-boot?
  • [19:33:54] <Ceriand|work> *EHCI
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  • [19:34:02] <schick> hello
  • [19:34:28] <emeb> Ceriand|work: are you the one who had an x-loader that could boot the kernel?
  • [19:34:29] <schick> is there a way to access the gmpc on the beagleboard?
  • [19:34:35] <Ceriand|work> emeb: yea
  • [19:34:47] <emeb> is that still maintained/current?
  • [19:34:51] <schick> I would like to a connect the 16bit port to an fpga
  • [19:34:54] <Ceriand|work> trying to get it to boot of USB now
  • [19:34:55] <mru> rom can boot a kernel if set up properly
  • [19:35:02] <Ceriand|work> emeb: for my board it is
  • [19:35:06] <mru> or packaged, whatever
  • [19:35:23] <Ceriand|work> beagle might need a little bit of work
  • [19:35:36] <Ceriand|work> I also added in support to boot off of mmc2
  • [19:36:55] <Ceriand|work> I got DPLL5 setup and everything muxed correctly, but the u-boot EHCI driver doesn't detect anything plugged in
  • [19:37:24] <Ceriand|work> I copied most of the setup from the Linux ECHI OMAP driver
  • [19:37:46] <Ceriand|work> *EHCI
  • [19:40:44] <Ceriand|work> mru: rom can do ATAGs and machine ID setup?
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  • [19:45:11] <Crofton_|work> after a few weeks of screwing with intrinsics, I'm going to end up sounding like mru
  • [19:45:29] <djlewis_> oh no, not that, anything but that !
  • [19:45:36] <djlewis_> ;)
  • [19:45:37] <mru> Crofton_|work: I told you it was a waste of time
  • [19:45:55] <Crofton_|work> oh thats ok
  • [19:46:00] <Crofton_|work> they are a crutch
  • [19:46:15] <Crofton_|work> but one I need to use atm
  • [19:46:18] <mru> Ceriand|work: hmm, maybe it can only load u-boot, not the kernel
  • [19:46:21] <Crofton_|work> kind of like my friend
  • [19:46:31] <Crofton_|work> how messed his foot up
  • [19:47:22] <Ceriand|work> mru: yea, linux requires a little extra setup to get the memory map, command line, and machine id setup before you jump to it
  • [19:47:50] <Ceriand|work> you could probably do it with a little assembly tacked on the front of the image though
  • [19:50:18] <Ceriand|work> emeb: I also added support for loading the kernel command line from a file in my x-load, FWIW
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  • [20:05:35] <_av500_> cmd line can be compiled in
  • [20:05:51] <_av500_> and i guess mach id as well
  • [20:10:55] <emeb> Ceriand|work: (sry - afk) sounds cool. Did you remember to set the GPIO bit that turns on the EHCI phy?
  • [20:11:26] <Ceriand|work> emeb: I'm actually doing this on my own custom board
  • [20:11:48] <emeb> ah - not dealing w/ BB idiosyncrasies
  • [20:11:54] <Ceriand|work> yea
  • [20:12:10] <emeb> so that also means your x-loader prolly wouldn't work out-of-box on BB
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  • [20:12:36] <Ceriand|work> I had it working on the BB before we got boards back
  • [20:12:53] <Ceriand|work> It might need a little work on the BB board file, but not much
  • [20:13:05] <emeb> ok - plus BB not so unique for simple NAND & MMC stuff
  • [20:13:22] <Ceriand|work> I haven't rebased with sakoman's git in awhile
  • [20:13:44] <emeb> no idea how volatile the x-loader stuff is
  • [20:14:03] <Ceriand|work> not very, the only changes were for the xM IIRC
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  • [20:25:29] <emeb> Ceriand|work: do you use the setup header stuff that the ROM bootloader supports?
  • [20:28:04] <Ceriand|work> no, just the simple load address version
  • [20:28:28] <Ceriand|work> same as the normal x-load
  • [20:28:59] <emeb> yep - just curious if that would be any help at all in scrunching x-loader size, or speeding boot times
  • [20:29:18] <Ceriand|work> probably not by much
  • [20:29:31] <Ceriand|work> you'd get much better size by using thumb instructions
  • [20:29:38] <Ceriand|work> and better speed by turning on the caches
  • [20:29:38] <koen> Ceriand|work: do you know about the config header feature?
  • [20:29:44] <Ceriand|work> yea
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  • [20:30:35] * emeb just read about that the other day
  • [20:31:08] <koen> emeb: did you see the mini6410 already?
  • [20:31:33] <_av500_> emeb: if you need fast boot, do a snapshot boot
  • [20:31:33] <emeb> koen: no - does that use a newer Samsung CPU?
  • [20:31:41] <koen> yes, the s3c6410
  • [20:31:43] <koen> arm11
  • [20:31:55] <_av500_> that still exists?
  • [20:31:58] <emeb> kewl - nicer than the arm9 in the 2440
  • [20:32:00] <koen> arm1176 to be exact
  • [20:32:15] <koen> that should have thumb2
  • [20:32:24] <emeb> _av500_: don't need fast boot, just interested in how to streamline things
  • [20:33:03] <_av500_> emeb: conf header + a prebooted kernel in nand should be fast :)
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  • [20:33:27] <emeb> _av500_: ought to be. Have you tried it?
  • [20:33:44] <_av500_> no
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  • [20:34:01] <_av500_> since supsend works fine, boot is not much of a concern
  • [20:34:23] <emeb> true
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  • [20:35:08] <_av500_> i think i saw some ELC slides about snapshot booting
  • [20:35:36] <emeb> wonder if the config header covers enough I/O regs to support that.
  • [20:35:57] <emeb> or if kernel then needs to do some additional housekeeping to get in a runnable state
  • [20:35:59] <_av500_> i guess they are generic mem addresses
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  • [20:36:15] <emeb> _av500_: Ok, so the header could be _huge_
  • [20:36:16] <_av500_> emeb: all you need is to setup a few clocks and sdram
  • [20:36:18] <koen> crap, need to write elc presentation
  • [20:36:41] <_av500_> then you can jump into ao a lodr code that does the rest
  • [20:36:47] <_av500_> into a loader...
  • [20:37:16] <emeb> yep - but then it's not much different from a kernel with x-loader on the front
  • [20:37:27] <_av500_> true
  • [20:37:48] <_av500_> all depends on how much loader you need
  • [20:38:33] <emeb> just to load & run the kernel prolly not much.
  • [20:39:05] <emeb> that's why Ceriand|work's stuff is interesting...
  • [20:43:39] * emeb googles mini6410
  • [20:45:30] <emeb> looks like the I/O connectors are completely different
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  • [20:53:25] <florian> emeb: Just pushed support for these into OE
  • [20:54:12] <emeb> florian: cool - have you got one working w/ Angstrom?
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  • [20:55:18] <florian> emeb: yes works... I was about to write some lines about it but its quite easy
  • [20:55:23] <florian> the kernel is ugly
  • [20:55:35] <_av500_> ugly vender kernel
  • [20:55:50] * emeb has seen the FriendlyARM kernels before
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  • [20:56:28] <emeb> lot's of demo drivers for the on-board HW. Not pretty tho
  • [20:56:38] <florian> a really ugly one... I still need to find out which eats up almost 50MB of ram. its not the 2.5mb framebuffers
  • [20:57:21] <emeb> does the SPI driver for the 6410 use DMA?
  • [20:57:37] <emeb> s3c2440 SPI driver is still PIO last I checked
  • [20:57:48] <emeb> ssssllllloooooowwwww......
  • [20:58:28] <_av500_> florian: double buffering to the max?
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  • [21:00:15] <florian> _av500_: maybe... must be something like this
  • [21:00:42] <_av500_> having 20 framebuffer makes it 9999% flicker free
  • [21:00:49] <florian> heh
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  • [22:33:53] <djlewis_> customer picked up his computer and had it infected again in 15 minutes.. argh!
  • [22:34:42] <djlewis_> but, he did call as soon as he noticed something odd and the infection was not yet embedded.
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  • [22:42:01] <_av500_> djlewis_: i hope you are paid per incident
  • [22:43:37] <mru> _av500_: where did you think the infection came from?
  • [22:44:19] <_av500_> that tiny usb stick
  • [22:45:18] <djlewis_> har har
  • [22:49:12] <djlewis_> its a windows thing... Security Scanner or some such name. Flew right past his AVGFree9.0
  • [22:49:17] <djlewis_> go figure ...
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  • [22:54:11] <emeb> djlewis_: shoulda used McAfee - they're owned by intel so they _must_ be good. :P
  • [22:54:44] <djlewis_> emeb: ya think Intel has done a makeover yet ;)
  • [22:55:05] <emeb> lipstick + pig = ???
  • [22:55:11] <djlewis_> Lol
  • [22:55:20] <mru> a sticky pig
  • [22:55:29] <djlewis_> a stinky pig
  • [22:56:06] * emeb used clamav to disinfect the nephew's netbook a few months ago
  • [22:56:11] <emeb> seemed to work OK
  • [22:56:48] * mru does not fix people's computers
  • [22:56:55] <djlewis_> we get asked dailey which is the best antivirus etc... THer is not one easy answer
  • [22:57:19] <emeb> mru: I should have called in ignorant years ago too
  • [22:57:29] <emeb> but the precedent has been set.
  • [22:57:34] <mru> djlewis_: common sense
  • [22:57:53] <djlewis_> Customer asks how can their computer not get infected. Answer, dont turn it on and if you do dont get on internet or allow any media or device to touch it
  • [22:58:17] <mru> tl;dr
  • [22:58:21] <_av500_> running obscure OS might help
  • [22:58:28] <emeb> that's my sol'n
  • [22:58:58] <emeb> I don't browse the web with my lone WinXP system (needed for dsPIC programming)
  • [22:59:00] <djlewis_> I run windows XP, Vista and Linux and stay clean without antivirus protection installed. knock on wood.. :)
  • [22:59:35] <djlewis_> aside from cookies anyway
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  • [22:59:40] <mru> I've never seen an antivirus program actually flag anything in time
  • [22:59:50] <mru> cookies do not eat your files
  • [22:59:55] <djlewis_> there in lies the problem
  • [23:00:15] <emeb> any viruses on android? The flood of new tablets etc in trouble if so...
  • [23:00:17] <mru> I've managed to remove a few infections after the fact
  • [23:00:19] <djlewis_> and some flag the user too much and the user has no clue to allow or deny.
  • [23:00:37] <mru> that's mostly firewalls
  • [23:00:49] <_av500_> emeb: trojan apps more likely
  • [23:01:03] <emeb> yep
  • [23:01:05] <_av500_> since ppl dont readn android permissions when they install...
  • [23:01:17] <emeb> watch out for the marketplace
  • [23:01:19] <djlewis_> av500: yep apps are too easy, everyone wants something cute on their computer
  • [23:01:36] <mru> _av500_: but _everything_ requires access to "personal data" etc
  • [23:01:49] <_av500_> mru: see the problem :)
  • [23:02:14] <mru> there's too much lumped into that category
  • [23:02:49] <mru> and most things need network too
  • [23:02:52] <mru> for obvious reasons
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  • [23:02:57] <_av500_> spread
  • [23:03:02] <emeb> "hmm... pr0nvue2011 wants access to your keyring. OK"
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  • [23:03:51] <djlewis_> oh i'd love to continue this talk. But alas I gotta head home and let my big ol dog out.
  • [23:04:30] <mru> does it have access to your personal data?
  • [23:05:21] <djlewis_> yep, he knows all my passwords. How do you think I can keep up with them all?
  • [23:05:23] <djlewis_> :)
  • [23:05:29] <djlewis_> later guys... gotta go..
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  • [23:05:33] <emeb> l8r
  • [23:05:35] <_av500_> bye
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