• [00:00:04] <emeb> link requires login to vimeo - not gonna happen
  • [00:00:33] <virginia> you guys even have a beagleboard or you're just trolling around?
  • [00:00:47] <mru> both
  • [00:02:08] <virginia> damn douches
  • [00:02:16] <emeb> virginia: you have a BB?
  • [00:02:40] <virginia> i'm asking for who has one and tested what can be done on it
  • [00:02:48] <virginia> so you go ahead and guess
  • [00:03:02] <cwillu> virginia, you're talking to people who design daughter boards for the beagle
  • [00:03:09] <cwillu> you can assume they have one around
  • [00:03:14] <mru> and video codecs...
  • [00:03:22] <cwillu> and video codecs :p
  • [00:03:28] <virginia> and they're telling me to use x264 on OMAP
  • [00:03:28] <mru> cwillu: I don't have one...
  • [00:03:29] <virginia> =rofl
  • [00:03:30] <mru> I have 8
  • [00:03:38] <cwillu> exactly
  • [00:03:44] <virginia> fking retards
  • [00:03:44] <mru> virginia: I NEVER SAID THAT
  • [00:03:47] <virginia> im out lol
  • [00:03:49] <virginia> yes u did
  • [00:03:52] <mru> good riddance
  • [00:03:54] <mru> off you go
  • [00:03:54] <cwillu> virginia, you're an idiot, see ya
  • [00:03:55] <mru> shoo
  • [00:04:01] <virginia> i hope you're proud of yourselves
  • [00:04:02] <virginia> fking assholes
  • [00:04:05] <cwillu> very <3
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  • [00:04:10] <mru> wow, two in one day
  • [00:04:12] <emeb> wow - twice in one day
  • [00:04:12] <mru> good going
  • [00:04:18] <mru> lol
  • [00:04:22] <emeb> on a roll here.
  • [00:04:31] <djlewis> hmmm
  • [00:04:50] <djlewis> not a very polite chap.
  • [00:05:08] <emeb> some folks just come in with a chip on their shoulder
  • [00:05:12] * cwillu rereads the scrollback
  • [00:05:27] <emeb> thought I was being polite...
  • [00:05:42] <cwillu> so, he came in, saying something was possible, and left claiming you're a retard for saying it was possible even though you didn't
  • [00:05:50] <cwillu> oy
  • [00:05:54] <cwillu> (oi?)
  • [00:05:59] <cwillu> how do you spell that? :p
  • [00:06:20] <djlewis> ka sur ra sur ra...
  • [00:06:53] <djlewis> that might start with a letter k or kay or something totally different.
  • [00:07:12] * djlewis heard it in a song :)
  • [00:07:20] <mru> isn't it que?
  • [00:07:26] <mru> or something
  • [00:07:57] <cwillu> so, zippy2? :)
  • [00:08:13] <djlewis> I still dont have one cwillu
  • [00:08:16] <cwillu> :/
  • [00:08:26] <cwillu> digikey doesn't deliver on sundays? :D
  • [00:08:38] <djlewis> hehee
  • [00:08:52] <cwillu> also, anyone know if the linux source tree includes a .gitignore file for the output by default?
  • [00:08:54] <djlewis> they would have to since fedex and ups dont
  • [00:09:03] <emeb> que sera
  • [00:09:17] <djlewis> he went and googled it
  • [00:09:30] <mru> it's spanish
  • [00:09:40] * emeb speaks a bit of spanish
  • [00:09:45] <djlewis> emeb: but you are a wealth of references. :)
  • [00:09:49] <emeb> helps when you live in AZ
  • [00:09:55] * mru doesn't know much beyond "que"
  • [00:09:55] <djlewis> lol
  • [00:09:56] <cwillu> ah, good, it does
  • [00:10:12] <djlewis> Ar too now.
  • [00:10:22] <djlewis> state is filling up
  • [00:10:42] <emeb> donde esta el bano?
  • [00:11:15] * emeb dosn't know where the ~n character is on his US/English kbd
  • [00:12:15] <emeb> cwillu: any luck on the ks8851 leak?
  • [00:12:38] <mru> emeb: ??
  • [00:12:44] <mru> you can copy that next time
  • [00:12:53] <emeb> I was just going to say that...
  • [00:13:26] <emeb> need some umlauts too...
  • [00:13:31] <cwillu> emeb, gaining info, haven't nailed anything down yet
  • [00:13:50] <mru> emeb: for spanish?
  • [00:13:54] <cwillu> koen had mentioned there might be patches on linux-omap, but I haven't found much relevant in the last few months
  • [00:14:16] <emeb> nah - I speak a smidgen of german too. don't type it much tho.
  • [00:14:23] <cwillu> there was a fix for the 2.6.35 null pointer dereference though, which I'm compiling in right now in the hopes that maybe the leak was fixed elsewhere in 2.6.35 :p
  • [00:14:46] <mru> emeb: ok, here you go then ????????
  • [00:14:47] <cwillu> trying to get my build environment sane though
  • [00:15:15] <djlewis> the clock is ticking
  • [00:15:24] <cwillu> the script I pulled from my upstream does a full clean each run, which... slows things down... considerably
  • [00:15:29] <emeb> mru: thanks - saved for later. :)
  • [00:16:11] * djlewis is doing good to speaj fluent american...
  • [00:16:16] <djlewis> see
  • [00:17:07] <djlewis> time to fees the trhee amigos and get some ointment in ones infected eye.
  • [00:17:16] <djlewis> s/fees/feed
  • [00:17:16] <emeb> dog maintenance
  • [00:17:20] <djlewis> yup
  • [00:17:21] <cwillu> stop that
  • [00:17:23] <cwillu> please...
  • [00:17:26] <cwillu> Please!?
  • [00:17:31] <cwillu> I'm begging you!
  • [00:17:35] <emeb> ??
  • [00:17:44] * cwillu runs screaming from the room
  • [00:17:55] <djlewis> cwillu thats how she is.
  • [00:18:04] <emeb> pursued by a bear
  • [00:19:01] <cwillu> that's how who is?
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  • [00:23:08] <emeb> 4:33 and the ehci is still working - new record...
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  • [00:27:46] <cwillu> c3?
  • [00:28:06] <emeb> c2
  • [00:28:23] <emeb> with extra 22uf on c97
  • [00:28:55] <cwillu> ah, the dark ages
  • [00:29:07] <emeb> yep - I'm bringing up the rear
  • [00:29:17] <cwillu> don't worry, that'll be me in a year :p
  • [00:29:31] <cwillu> unless I find a supplier of industrial strength microsd :)
  • [00:29:34] <emeb> c4? that is _so_ last week...
  • [00:29:44] <cwillu> exactly
  • [00:29:51] <emeb> why not?
  • [00:30:00] <emeb> not enough room in a uSD?
  • [00:30:43] <emeb> maybe a standard->micro adapter. :)
  • [00:32:31] <emeb> cwillu: doesn't zippy have a std SD slot on it?
  • [00:32:47] <emeb> just put your logfiles on the fancy SD in there...
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  • [00:34:52] <cwillu> emeb, fair enough, although I'm not certain of the speed of that; on the other hand again, I'm not certain it'd matter for my use
  • [00:35:09] <cwillu> the nice thing about these sd cards is that I just don't have to care
  • [00:36:47] <emeb> cwillu: looking at the zippy schematic it appears to support the full-width SD/MMC bus, not just SPI mode
  • [00:36:57] <emeb> should go as fast as the main one...
  • [00:39:04] <ds2> *splat*
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  • [00:42:07] <emeb> some days you're the bug, some days you're the windshield
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  • [00:47:31] <djlewis> ya'd think I was trying to kill them, making them take their medicine :P
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  • [00:53:18] <emeb> and telling them "It's for your own good" doesn't help
  • [00:56:17] <cwillu> emeb, oh, really?
  • [00:56:37] <cwillu> the ethernet is on i2c, I thought I read that the mmc was too, but I'll be happy to be wrong
  • [00:59:51] <emeb> yep - just checked the schematic (http://www.elinux.org/images/f/f1/Zippy2_schematic.pdf)
  • [00:59:56] <jacekowski> omap has native mmc interface
  • [01:00:22] <emeb> looks like the MMC/SD slot uses the 2nd MMC/SD port direct from the omap - thoughtfully brought out by Gerald & Co.
  • [01:00:29] <emeb> on the expansion port
  • [01:00:48] <cwillu> ah, k
  • [01:00:49] <cwillu> nicre
  • [01:00:50] <cwillu> nice
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  • [01:02:06] <emeb> and the KS8851 is on SPI port 4
  • [01:02:23] <emeb> (faster than I2C by a fair margin)
  • [01:04:11] <cwillu> if only the driver didn't leak memory :p
  • [01:04:47] <cwillu> hmm; I built 4 kernels yesterday at work, but doing the same over a screen session from home, they seem to lock up consistently
  • [01:04:50] <cwillu> odd
  • [01:04:55] * cwillu turns off -j4
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  • [01:30:23] <cwillu> seems to be building now
  • [01:30:32] <cwillu> although I guess I should be waiting four times as long before I decide that :p
  • [01:34:24] <cwillu> ooo, it finished
  • [01:34:25] <cwillu> \o/
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  • [01:40:20] <cwillu> koen, so far so good; with the null pointer deref fixed, it seems like it's not leaking anymore, although I'll have to give it an hour to be more certain
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  • [01:51:25] <kd25> hi, I am a newbee trying to get my beagleboard up and running.... for which I have to buy a LCD monitor. I have no clue what HDCP is but I know that beagleboard doesnot give out HDCP output.. can I still use a HDCP compliant monitor?
  • [01:53:26] <cwillu> kd25, believe so
  • [01:53:28] <MostAwesomeDude> HDCP is just a thing on top of HDMI. You can use any HDMI monitors just fine.
  • [01:53:39] <MostAwesomeDude> Beagles output HDMI, BTW.
  • [01:53:43] <jacekowski> NO
  • [01:53:45] <jacekowski> it doesn't
  • [01:53:53] <jacekowski> RTFM
  • [01:54:02] <jacekowski> beagle output is far far far away from HDMI
  • [01:54:07] <cwillu> anything hdmi or dvi should work, although hdmi may or may not allow you to use another sound input (the beagle doesn't output sound on the hdmi, nor any control information)
  • [01:54:13] <jacekowski> it's DVI
  • [01:54:18] <cwillu> jacekowski, ... calm down :p
  • [01:54:23] <jacekowski> and HDMI is sort of compatible with DVI
  • [01:54:28] <jacekowski> but only sort of
  • [01:54:57] <kd25> Guys I am looking at this model from hp http://www.bestbuy.com/site/HP+-+18.5%22+Widescreen+Flat-Panel+HD+LCD+Monitor/9543434.p?id=1218127631989&skuId=9543434
  • [01:55:08] <kd25> they say DVI-D input as NO
  • [01:55:20] <kd25> but say DVI-D with HDCP as yes
  • [01:55:20] <jacekowski> no, because you have people that didn't even bother to read the fucking manual telling somebody some bullshit that he will repeat
  • [01:55:47] <cwillu> as opposed to people who get sworn at when they were just trying to help?
  • [01:56:06] <jacekowski> and then he will come back and he will think that we are idiots
  • [01:56:17] <jacekowski> well, that wouldn't be far from truth
  • [01:57:00] <jacekowski> so just don't say stuff just for sake of saying stuff
  • [01:57:04] <jacekowski> like i'm doing now
  • [01:57:40] <cwillu> if you yell at people to correct them, don't be surprised when people go out of their way to avoid being corrected by you
  • [01:58:06] <cwillu> you don't want "looking something up in the manual" to be associated with their head being bit off
  • [01:58:22] <jacekowski> i don't have problem with people that avoid me
  • [01:58:27] <jacekowski> i have problem with ones that don'
  • [01:58:29] <jacekowski> don't
  • [01:58:35] <jacekowski> anyways
  • [01:58:39] <jacekowski> good night
  • [01:58:53] <kd25> hey guys btw can anyone answer me please
  • [01:59:39] <ds2> think we are idiots? isn't that a safe assumption til proven otherwise? :D
  • [02:01:00] <cwillu> kd25, um, we did, if you ignore the meta conversation that happened after :p
  • [02:01:20] <cwillu> but you should read the manual too
  • [02:01:33] <cwillu> kd25, also, don't buy stuff from bestbuy :p
  • [02:02:15] <kd25> cwillu thanks ya I am trying to cope with the huge jump from Arduino to Beagleboard
  • [02:02:29] <kd25> I know that Beagleboard doesnt support HDMI
  • [02:02:35] <cwillu> kd25, but basically anything with a dvi input should work, and most things with hdmi input
  • [02:02:47] <cwillu> dvi could be analogue only, which won't work (but would be uncommon)
  • [02:02:56] <cwillu> and hdmi might act weird
  • [02:03:13] <cwillu> I have yet to find an lcd with dvi that I couldn't make work at native resolution though
  • [02:03:19] <cwillu> (although there can be tricks for that too)
  • [02:03:39] <cwillu> read the manual, and then any time you have a question, spend some time googling and searching the mailing list archives
  • [02:03:47] <cwillu> 99% of the common questions are answered there
  • [02:04:45] <kd25> so a monitor which says (dvi with hdcp) as input will work with beagle board
  • [02:05:00] <kd25> confirming this as i saw a post which says otherwise
  • [02:05:05] <kd25> sorry if i am annoying
  • [02:05:39] <prpplague> kd25: 99% of them will work
  • [02:06:29] <kd25> ok cool then I shall do an in-store thing so tht I can return if it doesnt and no hassle of mailing it :D
  • [02:10:43] <cwillu> prpplague, ah, you're here
  • [02:10:51] <cwillu> just in time for my zippy problem to have gone away :p
  • [02:10:59] <cwillu> (memory leak when using the ethernet)
  • [02:11:24] <cwillu> kd25, you won't be able to use hdcp is all
  • [02:11:26] <prpplague> cwillu doh
  • [02:11:30] <cwillu> (although why would you want to?)
  • [02:11:38] <cwillu> prpplague, got a fix in 2.6.35 it seems
  • [02:11:54] <cwillu> at least, after patching it
  • [02:11:56] <prpplague> cwillu i didn't do a whole lot with the actual driver for the zippy2, micrel did most of it
  • [02:12:04] <cwillu> yep, rcn-ee was saying that
  • [02:12:12] <prpplague> cwillu i only cleaned up a bunch of the omap3 related issues
  • [02:12:36] <cwillu> well, it's fixed now anyway :)
  • [02:12:39] * cwillu does a happy dance
  • [02:13:18] <prpplague> cwillu dandy
  • [02:13:30] <rcn-ee> yeah it's a mess of a driver.. ;) i've talked to the micrel guys a couple times...
  • [02:17:25] <MostAwesomeDude> jacekowski: Sorry, was thinking of the Ozzie. You can curse more if you like.
  • [02:17:53] <emeb> cwillu: congrats!
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  • [02:18:09] * cwillu beams :)
  • [02:18:27] <emeb> seems like it's been a good weekend for BB networking.
  • [02:20:07] <emeb> now I just need to debug the FPGA/SPI ifc on my mini2440...
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  • [03:43:03] <Ulfalizer> what qemu branch has the best beagleboard support? the maemo one?
  • [03:43:22] <ddd> building OE/bitbake and CE, when run "bitbake opencv-dsp-acceleration", the following errors are posted on http://pastebin.com/Ek0DrJyd
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  • [03:59:00] <_av500_> ddd: ask ppoudel when he gets online
  • [03:59:25] <_av500_> Ulfalizer: opera done yet? :)
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  • [04:05:03] <Ulfalizer> _av500_: yeah, i'll start working there for real august 2 :)
  • [04:06:02] <_av500_> cool
  • [04:06:16] <_av500_> and where is the beagle port?
  • [04:07:03] <prpplague> sakoman_: http://www.marketwatch.com/video/asset/whooping-cough-outbreak-what-you-need-to-know-2010-07-16/7967488F-F55C-441A-B1B5-B41DDEFF8E81
  • [04:08:34] <Ulfalizer> i think i'm allowed to say this now, so: the project was about building a tiny linux system capable of supporting the opera linux sdk (used on set-top boxes and such). i did get it running on the beagleboard. might clean it up a bit and upload it somewhere once i'm done with the thesis report :)
  • [04:09:36] <_av500_> Ulfalizer: i know this sdk :)
  • [04:09:56] <Ulfalizer> _av500_: have you used it?
  • [04:10:04] <_av500_> we have, yes
  • [04:10:11] <_av500_> older version though
  • [04:10:11] <Ulfalizer> okay, where do you work?
  • [04:10:19] <_av500_> google av500 :)
  • [04:10:50] <ppoudel> hi ddd
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  • [04:11:44] <prpplague> _av500_: keeps coming back to some pr0n site
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  • [04:12:30] <Ulfalizer> _av500_: ah, ok :)
  • [04:12:34] <ppoudel> ddd: can you check your path to IMGLIB and DSPLIB in the Rules.make
  • [04:12:42] <_av500_> prpplague: must be your search preferences
  • [04:12:58] <prpplague> _av500_: hehe
  • [04:13:09] <_av500_> [x] Adult content only
  • [04:16:58] <ppoudel> ddd: Also check the path of IMGLIB in opencv-dsp-acceleration_svn.bb
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  • [04:27:07] <ddd> thanks, av500 and ppoudel, I have a zoom2 board, but not beagleboard, so i put "./oebb.sh config omapzoom2" instead of "./oebb.sh config beagleboard", is that ok?
  • [04:28:03] <ppoudel> ddd: that should be ok. You need to change the path to IMGLIB in opencv-dsp-acceleration_svn.bb
  • [04:29:27] <ppoudel> ddd: since IMGLIB need to be extracted in windows and copied to Linux, its path need to be changed.
  • [04:32:47] <ddd> thanks, ppoudel, i forget to switch it to omapzoom2....,
  • [04:33:36] <ddd> but what about DSPLIB, I did not do anything for it?
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  • [04:35:36] <alex_> Hello!
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  • [04:43:04] <ddd> ppoudel, when you mentioned Rules.make, did you mean in this folder "angstrom-angstrom-setup-scripts/opencv-dsp-acceleration/dsp_opencv"?
  • [04:44:13] <ppoudel> you don't have to do anything to Rules.make if you are using the recipe to build it. Yes, you are right.
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  • [04:52:18] <ddd> ppoudel, right now, the following error for building acceleration comes up: http://pastebin.com/w4YEah7V
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  • [04:57:54] <ppoudel> ddd: have you installed opencv?
  • [04:58:37] <CruNcher> Mips or Arm ?
  • [04:59:14] <CruNcher> what has a brighter future ;) ?
  • [05:00:09] <ddd> ppoudel, i followed the step2., bitbake -f -c compile opencv,
  • [05:00:28] <ppoudel> that should be good.
  • [05:00:50] <ddd> that bitbakes successfully
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  • [05:09:27] <ppoudel> ddd: can you add -I${OPENCV_PATH} at the end of GNU_C_FLAGS in Makefile and let me know what happens.
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  • [05:16:56] <ddd> ppoudel, I think i missed some in the above errors message, here is all : http://pastebin.com/q4Xu23Ki
  • [05:19:00] <ddd> where is the Makefile location mentioned above?
  • [05:19:35] <alex_> People, is there any way to connect VGA LCD ?
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  • [05:22:56] <ppoudel> its in dsp_opencv folder
  • [05:23:22] <ppoudel> inside /home/CE/angstrom-angstrom-setup-scripts/build/tmp-angstrom_2008_1/work/omapzoom2-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/opencv-dsp-acceleration-0+svnr113-r0/trunk/dsp_opencv
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  • [05:29:32] <ddd> ppoudel, i add -I${OPENCV_PATH} behind the GNU_C_FLAGS in Makefile, but the same errors come up, like http://pastebin.com/q4Xu23Ki
  • [05:32:02] <ppoudel> ddd: can you check if you really have the headers files at /home/CE/angstrom-angstrom-setup-scripts/build/tmp-angstrom_2008_1/work/armv7a-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/include
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  • [05:32:33] <ppoudel> ddd: you should see opencv and opencv2 folder at that path
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  • [05:40:16] <ddd> ppoudel, i have no "usr" folder inside "/angstrom-angstrom-setup-scripts/build/tmp-angstrom_2008_1/work/armv7a-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/"
  • [05:41:21] <ddd> i have no "usr" folder inside " /home/CE/angstrom-angstrom-setup-scripts/build/tmp-angstrom_2008_1/work/armv7a-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/"
  • [05:41:33] <ppoudel> I am sorry, typo. it should be tmp-angstrom_2008_1/sysroots/armv7a-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/include
  • [05:42:13] <ddd> ok, let me check it
  • [05:45:03] <ddd> ppoudel, i can not find opencv and opencv2 inside "/home/CE/angstrom-angstrom-setup-scripts/build/tmp-angstrom_2008_1/sysroots/armv7a-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/include"
  • [05:45:33] <ppoudel> ok, that's the problem.
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  • [05:46:22] <new2bb> hi, good morning all :)
  • [05:46:24] <ppoudel> can you simply run 'bitbake opencv'
  • [05:47:03] <ppoudel> good morning new2bb:)
  • [05:47:52] <ddd> in $OE_BASE?
  • [05:47:59] <ppoudel> yes
  • [05:48:29] <ppoudel> Have you already copied the opencv_core and opencv_imgproc libraries?
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  • [05:49:56] <ddd> I am running "bitbake opencv", i have not, need i do that copy?
  • [05:50:04] <ppoudel> if not, you may have to go over step 2 and 4 again.
  • [05:51:40] <ddd> ppoudel, need i do : bitbake -f -c compile opencv && svn checkout http://opencv-dsp-acceleration.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/ opencv-dsp-acceleration
  • [05:52:00] <ddd> after bitbake opencv?
  • [05:52:10] <ppoudel> you don't have to do the checkou
  • [05:52:18] <ppoudel> checkout
  • [05:52:23] <ddd> yeah
  • [05:52:48] <ddd> # make opencv_imgproc/fast # make opencv_core/fast
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  • [05:53:41] <ppoudel> this is done only after you have the opencv source and patch is applied.
  • [05:53:56] <ddd> so you mean, i need "bitbake opencv" instead of "bitbake -f -c compile opencv"
  • [05:54:32] <ppoudel> bitbake opencv will not give you the opencv source.
  • [05:54:50] <ddd> so, i need do both in order
  • [05:55:10] <Ulfalizer> i want to generate a nand image for use with qemu's bb emulation. the bb_nandflash.sh that comes with qemu-omap says "we assume that the rootfs has oob info". does that mean that simply passing in e.g. an ext2 image won't work? if so, what's a good way to add the oob info?
  • [05:56:10] <ppoudel> you can comment #INHERIT += "rm_work" in build/conf to get the source either.
  • [06:02:04] <ddd> when runing "bitbake opencv", error "ERROR: QA Issue with db: non -dev package contains symlink .so: db path '/work/armv7a-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/db-5.0.21-r0/packages-split/db/usr/lib/libdb-5.so'", but still go through
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  • [06:04:22] <ppoudel> ddd: I didnot get you. Did it go through?
  • [06:08:26] <ddd> yes, it is running, go through, but there was an error when running
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  • [06:11:53] <ppoudel> oh! I am not sure what was that about.
  • [06:12:31] <ddd> sad, in the end, it fails
  • [06:12:56] <ddd> ERROR: '/home/dli/turkey/6-CE/angstrom-angstrom-setup-scripts/sources/openembedded/recipes/opencv/opencv_svn.bb' failed NOTE: package gtk+-2.20.1-r8.1: task do_package_write_ipk: Succeeded ERROR: '/home/CE/angstrom-angstrom-setup-scripts/sources/openembedded/recipes/opencv/opencv_svn.bb' failed ERROR: '/home/CE/angstrom-angstrom-setup-scripts/sources/openembedded/recipes/opencv/opencv_svn.bb' failed
  • [06:13:59] <ppoudel> oh!!
  • [06:15:44] <ppoudel> ddd: can comment the lines in local.conf so that you dont have to force compile opencv to retain its source later.
  • [06:18:39] <ddd> you mean comment "INHERIT += "rm_work"" in "build/conf/local.conf"?
  • [06:19:40] <ppoudel> yes.
  • [06:20:34] <ddd> okay, then try "bitbake opencv" again?
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  • [06:21:37] <ppoudel> yes
  • [06:22:02] <ddd> ok, running now
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  • [06:28:42] <ddd> ppoudel, it failed again
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  • [06:29:00] <ppoudel> can you paste the error?
  • [06:29:37] <ddd> yes, wait a minute
  • [06:31:53] <ddd> here is http://pastebin.com/NW9S4K6U
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  • [06:37:01] <ppoudel> do bitbake -c clean opencv followed by bitbake opencv, given that you have commented the lines in local.conf
  • [06:37:37] <ppoudel> and follow step 4
  • [06:37:54] <ddd> yeah, forgot clean opencv
  • [06:40:20] <kukyakya> Does u-boot in mainline recognize Rev. C4 ?
  • [06:40:58] <kukyakya> i got only A/B revision messages
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  • [06:46:50] <hitlin37> where do i can find a example of ffmpeg fft?any idea
  • [06:46:51] <new2bb> can some1, tell me how, to write your own "hello-world prgm" on beagleboard DSP processor using dsplink ?
  • [06:48:24] <av500> hello new2bb :)
  • [06:50:06] <new2bb> hello av500, :)
  • [06:50:46] <new2bb> sme inputs on writing "hello world " prgm on DSP via dsplink?
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  • [06:54:02] <av500> new2bb: did you run the dsplink examples?
  • [06:55:29] <new2bb> yes, with lpmON OFF, before each test
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  • [06:55:56] <new2bb> dsplink-example work,
  • [06:58:04] <av500> so why not take one example and modify it?
  • [06:58:13] <av500> put in a printf "hello world"
  • [07:00:39] <new2bb> av500, Can i follow this link, for that :http://maltanar.blogspot.com/2010/05/modifying-dsplink-examples-and.html
  • [07:01:05] <av500> sure
  • [07:01:12] <ddd> ppoudel, it was built
  • [07:01:12] <av500> i dont see why not
  • [07:01:28] <ppoudel> ddd: great
  • [07:01:28] <av500> new2bb: did you just try the examples or were you able to recompile them?
  • [07:01:35] <ddd> yeah,
  • [07:02:12] <ddd> so do i need patch again: patch -p0 < OE_BASE/opencv-dsp-acceleration/dsp_opencv/patch/opencvdsp.diff
  • [07:03:08] <new2bb> av500:, i have just tried the dsplink-examples
  • [07:03:20] <av500> well, then try to re.cimpile them now :)
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  • [07:03:31] <av500> once you are able to do that, you can modify or make a new one
  • [07:03:57] <new2bb> yes, i'l do Thanks :)
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  • [07:04:54] <ppoudel> ddd: yes follow step 4 onward
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  • [07:08:26] <ddd> I think do not need svn co, since it is already over there, just cd $OPENCV_BASE and path it , righ
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  • [07:20:05] <ppoudel> yes ddd
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  • [07:25:50] <ddd> ppoudel, yeah, i can find opencv and opencv2 inside the folder "tmp-angstrom_2008_1/sysroots/armv7a-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/include"
  • [07:32:26] <ddd> thx, ppoudel, i think "bitbake opencv-dsp-acceleration" fine now.
  • [07:32:44] <ppoudel> thats great ddd
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  • [07:35:59] <ddd> so use "bitbake opencv" in step2 and comment "INHERIT += "rm_work" in "build/conf/local.conf" is necessary?
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  • [07:42:13] <mru> http://xkcd.com/768/
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  • [07:44:16] <ddd> ppoudel, so the kernel is 2.6.32, where can i find it, or I need build it separately, i can use angstrom narcissar for filesystem, right?
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  • [07:45:10] <ppoudel> yes u can
  • [07:46:12] <ddd> I supposed bitbake can build it in step 1.
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  • [07:47:21] <cwillu_at_work> mru, so, uh, who's the dev?
  • [07:48:17] <koen> ppoudel: uncommenting rm_work is the wrong thing to do
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  • [07:49:27] <ppoudel> koen: how to retain source and install the header + libraries ?
  • [07:49:52] <koen> the headers and libs are in sysroots
  • [07:50:04] <koen> you don't need more than is in there
  • [07:50:11] <koen> since it's the output of make install
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  • [07:51:08] <ppoudel> seems like bitbake -f -c opencv didnot installed the libraries and header files, so I suggested to comment that line. I was wrong.
  • [07:51:19] <ppoudel> thanks for the information.
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  • [07:51:39] <ppoudel> typo, that was bitbake -f -c compile opencv
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  • [07:55:22] <koen> -c populate_sysroot
  • [07:55:25] <koen> compile only compiles
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  • [07:55:37] <koen> actually you can just do 'bitbake opencv'
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  • [07:56:41] <ppoudel> koen: Does 'bitbake opencv' retains the source files?
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  • [08:22:33] <av500> _koen_: http://www.flickr.com/photos/av500/sets/72157624533739048/
  • [08:23:57] <harbaum> Hi. Does anyone know where to get this demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24TXpqa9jG0 ?
  • [08:24:23] <harbaum> It's not in the package with all the other demos
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  • [08:24:38] <av500> harbaum: ask imagination technologies
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  • [08:24:58] <harbaum> Ok ...
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  • [08:30:06] <koen> av500: cute
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  • [08:30:33] <av500> koen: what is the name of that pre zoom2 thingy? labrador? or is that all zoom2/3?
  • [08:30:42] <av500> also, the 2 SDPs how do you call them really?
  • [08:30:46] <dm8tbr> dsc25 that's really old
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  • [08:30:53] <av500> dsc21 is older :)
  • [08:31:05] <dm8tbr> what was that? jbmm?
  • [08:31:09] <av500> yup
  • [08:31:34] <av500> I'll update the pics with the products
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  • [08:33:28] <koen> av500: labrador is zoom1
  • [08:33:45] <koen> but labrador gets used for other zoom derivates as well
  • [08:33:50] <ddd> koen, if uncommenting "rm_work", when do 'bitbake opencv', the following error was given: "/home/CE/angstrom-angstrom-setup-scripts/sources/openembedded/recipes/openccv/opencv_svn.bb failed"
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  • [08:34:48] <koen> and it told you some more as well
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  • [08:39:56] <av500> koen: OK, and what about the 2 SDPs?
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  • [08:41:38] <koen> no idea on that
  • [08:41:45] <koen> never worked with those
  • [08:41:55] <av500> k
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  • [08:51:24] <new2bb> does someone hv idea on how to recompile the modified ti-dsplink-examples, it doesn't seems to be straight forward, when i m compiling its not taking the modification,?? which other file should I need to modify to recompile it?
  • [08:51:51] <ddd> koen, what is wrong with opencv_svn.bb ?
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  • [08:55:22] <_koen_> new2bb: it picks up your changes if you added your patches to the SRC_URI, no?
  • [08:55:35] <_koen_> ddd: nothing it wrong with that recipe, it builds fine over here
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  • [09:20:26] <ddd> koen, ppoudel, if uncommenting "rm_work", after bitbake opencv, "opencv" file won't be inside folder "/home/CE/angstrom-angstrom-setup-scripts/build/tmp-angstrom_2008_1/work/armv7a-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/opencv-2.1.0+svnr3241-r1/", then where can do "patch"
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  • [09:23:30] <_koen_> of course it's gone
  • [09:23:40] <_koen_> you only need the headers and libs in sysroots
  • [09:23:47] <_koen_> if you have a patch, add it to the recipe
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  • [09:24:13] <ddd> oh, how to add it to the recipe
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  • [09:25:42] <av500> _koen_: wrt new2bb, for development of stuff you dont expect people to add a patch for every line changed? so what is the preferred way to come up with the patch?
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  • [09:26:15] <_koen_> I edit the files I need and then do -c compile -f
  • [09:26:38] <_koen_> and generate patches at some point
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  • [09:27:44] <ddd> still need do -c compile -f ?
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  • [10:22:16] <Ralph_> hi, where can I get the libraries for opencv on the bb?
  • [10:22:32] <woglinde> opkg install?
  • [10:22:46] <Ralph_> I havent it connected to the internet
  • [10:23:00] <woglinde> copy it
  • [10:23:06] * koen gets a bit of a deja vu
  • [10:23:20] <koen> didn't I add the headers and libs option to narcissus for you last week?
  • [10:23:27] <av500> yes
  • [10:23:48] <Ralph_> yes, and i've got the include files but I think I havent' the libs
  • [10:26:55] <Ralph_> I'm getting this problem:
  • [10:26:56] <Ralph_> root@beagleboard:~/OpenCV# g++ test.c -o test -I /usr/include/opencv/ -L /usr/li b -lcxcore -lcv -lhighgui -lcvaux -lml /usr/lib/gcc/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/4.3.3/../../../../arm-angstrom-linux-gne collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
  • [10:27:26] <Ralph_> I don't think I have any of those libs
  • [10:29:25] <koen> ls /usr/lib | grep high
  • [10:29:49] <koen> and rejoice about the opencv dudes renaming all their libs
  • [10:30:57] <Ralph_> root@beagleboard:/lib# ls /usr/lib | grep high libopencv_highgui.so libopencv_highgui.so.2.1 libopencv_highgui.so.2.1.1
  • [10:31:11] <Ralph_> but what does that mean?
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  • [10:32:46] <_koen_> -lopencv_highgui
  • [10:33:17] <woglinde> use pkg-config
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  • [10:33:34] <_koen_> or that :)
  • [10:33:45] <av500> mru: he said pkg-config!
  • [10:34:42] <woglinde> hehe
  • [10:34:46] <woglinde> PKG_CHECK
  • [10:34:49] <woglinde> *g*
  • [10:34:55] <mru> some people have SM tendencies
  • [10:34:58] <mru> that's fine by me
  • [10:35:14] <woglinde> I mostly use whats easy
  • [10:35:41] <woglinde> and I took the half day to read the autotools doku
  • [10:35:54] <mru> lol
  • [10:36:01] <woglinde> yeah
  • [10:36:06] <woglinde> only a half day
  • [10:36:17] <woglinde> and we didnt have so worse stuff
  • [10:36:51] <SQlvpapir> sittin' on an arm, building a kernel.. so that eeevery mouth can beeee feeeed... uhhh, uhhh, israelite
  • [10:36:51] <mru> trololol
  • [10:37:16] <woglinde> o.O
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  • [10:37:27] <av500> looks like yesterdays friday extends well into today...
  • [10:37:39] <woglinde> av500 this bad?
  • [10:37:48] <av500> not yet...
  • [10:37:51] <Ralph_> I tried this but it didn't work ... root@beagleboard:~/OpenCV# g++ test.c -o test -I /usr/include/opencv/ -L /usr/li b -lopencv_cxcore -lopencv_cv -lopencv_highgui -lopencv_cvaux -lopencv_ml /usr/lib/gcc/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/4.3.3/../../../../arm-angstrom-linux-gne collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
  • [10:38:47] <woglinde> use pkg-config
  • [10:39:09] <Ralph_> I don't know how to use that
  • [10:39:55] <woglinde> type pkg-config
  • [10:40:01] <woglinde> is that to hard?
  • [10:40:21] <Ralph_> root@beagleboard:~/OpenCV# pkg_config -sh: pkg_config: not found
  • [10:41:04] <woglinde> yeah minus and underscore is hard
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  • [10:41:23] <woglinde> Ralph_ you come from visualbasic?
  • [10:41:44] <Ralph_> no, only a bit of c++
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  • [10:43:12] <cwillu_at_work> woglinde, "is that too hard" is too hard, eh? :)
  • [10:43:51] <Ralph_> so what do I put after pkg-config?
  • [10:43:58] <cwillu_at_work> Ralph_, --help :p
  • [10:44:35] <woglinde> ralph you know what cflags are=
  • [10:48:13] <Ralph_> no
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  • [10:49:07] <woglinde> cflags are flags for the compiler
  • [10:49:10] <woglinde> e.g -I -L
  • [10:49:17] <Ralph_> ok
  • [10:49:21] <woglinde> args
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  • [10:49:26] <av500> aaargh!
  • [10:49:28] <Ralph_> I think I do
  • [10:49:30] <woglinde> -L is flag for linker
  • [10:49:36] <woglinde> sorry
  • [10:49:51] <av500> woglinde: which one is better to use: argc or argv?
  • [10:50:02] <woglinde> o.O?
  • [10:50:23] <av500> :)
  • [10:50:36] <cwillu_at_work> Ralph_, be aware that none of this is really beagle specific. Not saying that you can't ask questions, just that you may not be looking in the right places for answers (google terms, etc)
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  • [10:52:27] <cwillu_at_work> but all of the basics have answers discoverable on google if you know which things are beagle/omap specific, and which are more general
  • [10:54:22] <woglinde> ralph btw. there is the gsoc project which make use of the dsp for opencv
  • [10:56:47] <Ralph_> Ok I made it compile by only using -lopencv_highgui, not sure if this is what I wanted but it seemed to work
  • [10:58:11] <_koen_> woglinde: btw, opencv switched to cmake...
  • [10:58:24] <woglinde> koen hm
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  • [10:59:13] <woglinde> cannt remember when I did my 2.1 debian package
  • [10:59:54] <_koen_> they have both now, but the autotools stuff is broken
  • [11:00:06] <_koen_> I wonder why they just haven't deleted it
  • [11:00:34] <_koen_> woglinde: did you see my openjdk mail to the oe-devel list this morning?
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  • [11:00:48] <_koen_> according to Robert you are the -cacao expert :)
  • [11:00:56] <woglinde> mom
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  • [11:01:03] <woglinde> cacao worked fine here
  • [11:01:08] <woglinde> its not perfect yet
  • [11:01:23] <woglinde> we may nee to chip our own jvm.cfg
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  • [11:04:02] <woglinde> koen install openjdk-shark-vm and openjdk-cacao-vm
  • [11:04:24] <hitlin37> if i'm compiling usind code sourcery with option o3 ,will it b neon optimized by default?
  • [11:04:32] <av500> no
  • [11:04:38] <av500> not even with -O42
  • [11:04:51] <woglinde> av500 not?
  • [11:04:52] <woglinde> hm
  • [11:04:54] <mru> at -O3 it pessimises though
  • [11:05:10] <mru> unless you also use -fno-tree-vectorize
  • [11:06:07] <_koen_> woglinde: read that email again :)
  • [11:06:16] <_koen_> -054 ?
  • [11:06:46] <_koen_> woglinde: http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-devel/2010-July/021763.html
  • [11:07:00] <hitlin37> someone gave me this info:I can't tell what version of gcc you are using from the information above (gcc --version), but in recent versions, using '-O3' implies '-ftree-vectorize'
  • [11:07:16] <hitlin37> that means this is wrong
  • [11:07:45] <hitlin37> -O3 never impiles vectorize
  • [11:07:54] <woglinde> koen hm ah
  • [11:08:01] <woglinde> koen when did you build?
  • [11:08:18] <mru> hitlin37: -O3 does enable -ftree-vectorize
  • [11:08:19] <woglinde> xerces changed some stuff last week for llvm
  • [11:08:24] <mru> the problem is that -ftree-vectorize is horribly buggy
  • [11:08:32] <mru> it makes code slow and wrong
  • [11:08:50] <woglinde> but I will add linpack to the tests to be run
  • [11:09:00] <mru> linpack lol
  • [11:09:24] <hitlin37> thanks mru,got it now
  • [11:09:39] <_koen_> I didn't say I was verifying benchmarks that make sense, only benchmarks I was asked to verify
  • [11:09:46] <_koen_> "those android peoplel run linpack a lot"
  • [11:10:16] <mru> linpack is stupid as a benchmark
  • [11:10:26] <woglinde> hm we tested caffeine-embedded
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  • [11:10:36] <woglinde> mru if the vm suckz out its okay
  • [11:10:53] <mru> _koen_: it's not even written in standard C
  • [11:11:05] <av500> mru: they run the java version of course
  • [11:11:18] <av500> which is non std C in a way....
  • [11:11:31] <mru> never seen a java version of linpack, only of scimark
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  • [11:11:36] <_koen_> yes, linpack java
  • [11:11:38] <mru> which is an equally stupid benchmark
  • [11:11:58] <_koen_> the java version comes with a warning that it actually measures how sucky the vm is
  • [11:12:07] <_koen_> and I can confirm that :)
  • [11:12:16] <_koen_> jamvm gets 3mflops, cacao 16
  • [11:12:21] <mru> who the hell would do sci computations in java?
  • [11:12:23] <_koen_> on the same beagle
  • [11:12:30] <_koen_> who the hell would use java?
  • [11:12:38] <woglinde> koen hm
  • [11:12:39] <mru> google would
  • [11:12:40] <woglinde> root@bug20:~/linpack# java -cacao Linpack
  • [11:12:40] <woglinde> Mflops/s: 14.61 Time: 0.05 secs Norm Res: 1.43 Precision: 2.220446049250313E-16
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  • [11:12:58] <av500> lol 2.220446049250313E-16
  • [11:13:00] <mru> what? there _is_ a java linpack?
  • [11:13:05] <_koen_> yes
  • [11:13:12] <mru> I though that was a joke
  • [11:13:12] <_koen_> that's what those android people use
  • [11:13:16] <_koen_> no....
  • [11:13:17] <av500> wasnt that used to show off the JIT?
  • [11:13:19] <woglinde> shark is bad
  • [11:13:20] <mru> oh dear
  • [11:13:21] <woglinde> tough
  • [11:13:38] <_koen_> woglinde: a complete build from scratch from a stock .dev doesn't work
  • [11:13:47] <_koen_> unless there are more RDEPENDS wrong
  • [11:13:58] <av500> http://androidandme.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/2010-05-11-12.22.12.jpg
  • [11:14:00] <_koen_> since the postinst will insert a blank line into the cfg
  • [11:14:13] <_koen_> which will trigger a warning everything you run java
  • [11:14:22] <woglinde> koen yes I know
  • [11:14:27] <av500> and the exact same precision, down to the last digit....
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  • [11:14:47] <_koen_> woglinde: and since you don't have that warning, it looks like you tweaked the install :)
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  • [11:15:00] <woglinde> no I delete the blank line
  • [11:15:03] <woglinde> *g*
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  • [11:17:01] * woglinde will look at the scripts again
  • [11:18:39] <woglinde> koen maybee the llvm-features xrandby played with, have to do with it
  • [11:18:47] <woglinde> but not for cacao
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  • [11:49:50] <_koen_> I'm in need of a professional
  • [11:50:09] <_koen_> he needs to generate 54MHz from 2 26MHz oscilators
  • [11:50:43] <av500> oi
  • [11:51:37] <XorA> 25% out of phase and xor them
  • [11:51:48] <_koen_> but only on fridays
  • [11:52:14] <av500> XorA: and how do you make the additional 2Mhz?
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  • [11:52:28] <XorA> av500: thats within acceptable error :-)
  • [11:52:39] <av500> you are not a professional
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  • [11:53:21] <woglinde> *g*
  • [11:54:26] <new2bb> av500:, can you tell me the steps to follow to build the modified examples? i m getting some do_patch 256 failed error
  • [11:54:27] <new2bb> ?
  • [11:54:52] <av500> new2bb: I never built dsplink examples and I never built them using oe/bb either
  • [11:56:09] <av500> but do_patch sounds like the build system tried to reapply some patches...
  • [11:56:36] <av500> there should be a command that just recimpiled, but oe is to coemplicated for me....
  • [11:56:41] <av500> recompiled
  • [11:57:05] <av500> I am not mature enough for it
  • [11:58:33] <new2bb> ok, i will check
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  • [12:06:27] <mrcan> i have a problem. i compiled my qt project, and i transfered it to my arm board. when i execute it, it says illegal instruction. how can i fix this?
  • [12:06:40] <av500> gdb
  • [12:06:48] <mrcan> gdb?
  • [12:06:53] <av500> gdb
  • [12:07:36] <koen> or turn on neon in your kernel
  • [12:07:38] <mru> you can change the instruction or you can change the law
  • [12:07:44] <mru> which do you think is easier?
  • [12:08:01] <mru> if koen is right, that would be changing the law
  • [12:08:10] <mrcan> how can i change instruction or law?
  • [12:09:06] * koen stops shouting guesses
  • [12:10:16] <av500> mrcan: we guess you code uses NEON and that might need to be enabled in your kernel
  • [12:10:33] <av500> or your code does other bad things, then gdb might be helpfull
  • [12:10:46] <woglinde> using armv4
  • [12:10:49] <woglinde> haha
  • [12:10:59] <av500> as for your questions: instruction: vi, law: politics
  • [12:11:17] <mrcan> woglinde why haha?
  • [12:11:36] <woglinde> mrcan hm forget it
  • [12:11:39] <mrcan> i ll search for neon
  • [12:11:41] <woglinde> I tried to make a joke
  • [12:12:34] <ssvb> mrcan: if you used omap3_beagle_defconfig when compiling your kernel, it has neon disabled
  • [12:12:39] <ssvb> that's a known issue
  • [12:12:55] <av500> good that defconfigs are going out :)
  • [12:13:14] <mrcan> i didnt compiled kernel i downloaded it
  • [12:13:31] <_koen_> are people actually using the in kernel defconfigs?
  • [12:13:55] <_koen_> every board I dealt with the past 6 years had a utter useless defconfig in the kernel
  • [12:13:56] <av500> it seems a lot of people are constantly updating them
  • [12:14:00] <mru> mrcan: get a core dump, run gdb and give it the command "x/i $pc"
  • [12:14:19] <av500> _koen_: some arm people use them to autobuild a lot of archs
  • [12:14:43] <ssvb> _koen_: maybe yes? there has to be some initial configuration to start tinkering from
  • [12:14:58] <mrcan> im sorry for taking for your time and my asks, how can i get core dump? :)
  • [12:14:59] <mru> ssvb: I always use the one from my previous kernel build
  • [12:15:20] <mru> mrcan: run the program so it crashes in a directory where you have write permission
  • [12:15:26] <av500> ssvb: the initial config should be the result of a make menuconfig and selecting arch and board
  • [12:15:31] <mru> mrcan: might need "ulimit -c unlimited" in the shell before
  • [12:15:59] <mru> av500: isn't that what's been under discussion for some time?
  • [12:16:02] <av500> yes
  • [12:16:10] <av500> thats what they are doing now or so
  • [12:16:31] <mru> good
  • [12:16:45] <mrcan> mru: thanks im in searching and i ll try
  • [12:17:01] <ssvb> av500: I'm too lazy for this, it's easier to fix a few broken things in the existing config :)
  • [12:17:31] <mru> ssvb: that's the attitude that got us into this mess
  • [12:17:36] <av500> ssvb: yes, but you wont get it past linus any more :)
  • [12:17:45] <XorA> this is the reason Linus decided to delete all defconfigs
  • [12:18:23] <_koen_> they won't get deleted
  • [12:18:23] <ssvb> XorA: but AFAIK he did not, they just got stripped down for now
  • [12:18:30] <new2bb> koen, can you suggest any link to follow to understand how to build the modified dsplink-examples on beagleboard?
  • [12:18:32] <_koen_> linus applied a patch that removed the default settings
  • [12:18:41] <_koen_> have a look at other recipes
  • [12:19:03] <ddd_> koen, after bitbake ti-codec-engine, where to "patch -p0 < OE_BASE/opencv-dsp-acceleration/dsp_opencv/patch/opencvdsp.diff"
  • [12:19:32] <ddd_> if unmount mr_work
  • [12:19:42] <_koen_> you add the patch to the recipe
  • [12:19:55] <_koen_> you need to bug ppoudel for opencv-dsp stuff
  • [12:19:57] <woglinde> ddd what soft you are patching?
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  • [12:20:11] <woglinde> koen what?
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  • [12:22:56] <hitlin37> any replacement for push/pop overhead between function(C and assembly)
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  • [12:25:01] <ddd_> oh, i will ask ppoudel
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  • [12:25:46] <mru> hitlin37: huh?
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  • [12:29:00] <mrcan> mru: i didnt add architecture model for compile, that can be problem? (used arm gcc 4.3.2, qt everywhere 4.6.2)
  • [12:29:15] <mru> no
  • [12:30:17] <mrcan> mru: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/toolchains/ so here, why seperate compilers?
  • [12:30:32] <mru> ask koen
  • [12:30:37] <av500> because x86 code runs badly on ARM
  • [12:31:00] <mrcan> mru: ok thanks
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  • [12:31:02] <hitlin37> since neon is a separate unit,does arm cpu works in parallel with neon or is it like only one can worrk at a time
  • [12:31:08] <woglinde> there are people which dont compile on there beagleboard
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  • [12:31:28] <hitlin37> yes,true,x86 runs badly on ARM because of alignment issues
  • [12:31:32] <av500> hitlin37: it can run in parallel somewhat
  • [12:31:49] <hitlin37> hmm
  • [12:31:50] <av500> but its not a fully separate cpu/unit
  • [12:32:04] <av500> you need to issue neon commands from the arm
  • [12:32:22] <av500> then some neon commands run in parallel with your next arm instruction
  • [12:32:31] <woglinde> hm qemu on the beagleboard?
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  • [12:32:46] <hitlin37> ya,both share common pipeline initially then arm sends neon related commands to neon pipeline ,if i'm correct
  • [12:33:07] <foobar> I got angstrom installed onto my beagleboard and have a shell. What's the easiest way to hook up an LCD screen? I have a DVI cable connected from the port into an extra LCD I own, but I assume I need to install or setup something to view anything on it?
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  • [12:34:29] <hitlin37> ?
  • [12:34:44] <av500> !
  • [12:34:47] <_koen_> ^
  • [12:34:51] <notzed> !
  • [12:35:00] <notzed> oh damn
  • [12:35:03] <hitlin37> !?
  • [12:35:04] <woglinde> o.O
  • [12:35:17] <woglinde> buy same cables?
  • [12:35:21] <hitlin37> enough of football
  • [12:35:28] <_koen_> I guess it's the heat that makes friday last 4 days
  • [12:37:21] <djlewis> gm
  • [12:37:26] <foobar> woglinde, I have the DVI cable already connected. I don't see anything. I've been looking for a tutorial on the subject. Thought it might have been plug and play >_>
  • [12:37:57] <notzed> assuming it's dvi-d it should be, more or less
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  • [12:37:59] <av500> foobar: what resolution did you setup?
  • [12:38:13] <av500> and does your angstrom image have any X11 stuff?
  • [12:38:30] <woglinde> av500 without X no terminal-console?
  • [12:38:31] <av500> and did you read all on beagleboard.org?
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  • [12:38:54] <koen> (gdb) bt
  • [12:38:54] <koen> #0 zip_open (path=<value optimized out>) at zip.c:214
  • [12:38:54] <koen> #1 0x4021de48 in suck_add (classpath=<value optimized out>) at suck.c:176
  • [12:38:58] <av500> woglinde: console on dvi? no idea
  • [12:39:01] <koen> so java really sucks
  • [12:39:29] * djlewis gets a reminder from an optics refinisher that I didn't send him my mirror :(
  • [12:39:50] <koen> woglinde: according to gdb java -cacao Linpack segfaults in zip_open
  • [12:40:03] <woglinde> strange
  • [12:40:03] <av500> djlewis: btw, did you get updated on these TI lunchpack thingies?
  • [12:40:26] <djlewis> av500: no news from ti for me.
  • [12:40:40] <av500> same here
  • [12:40:49] <djlewis> emeb either
  • [12:41:16] <_koen_> nope
  • [12:41:30] <_koen_> the only news about those lunchpacks came from drinkcat today
  • [12:41:56] <djlewis> hmm. reading the bottom of the lunchpak wiki where others have posted, some folk are getting them.
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  • [12:43:04] <djlewis> it's not like I dont have enough to keep me occupied without them. but...
  • [12:43:16] <djlewis> once something is ordered the wait begins
  • [12:43:27] <djlewis> anticipation.... carlie simon
  • [12:43:33] <av500> djlewis: speaking of old HW: http://www.flickr.com/photos/av500/sets/72157624533739048/
  • [12:45:01] <djlewis> I never had any of those, the smdk2410 evm loooks cool though.
  • [12:45:57] <foobar> av500, Is this related to the boot arguments? I just found a wiki page on the subject. One moment.
  • [12:46:35] <_koen_> djlewis: get a mini2440, much cheaper, same slow cpu
  • [12:46:47] <djlewis> hehee
  • [12:48:02] <av500> _koen_: at that time it was fast...
  • [12:48:55] <djlewis> and lst but least, the ol reliable av500 dev board. The only one that looks really used.
  • [12:49:06] <av500> yeah
  • [12:49:24] <av500> it was a rig to mount the prototype
  • [12:49:35] <av500> and be able to stick wires into it from all sides.... ouch
  • [12:49:59] <djlewis> yes indeed, it does look like a wide open archetecture ;)
  • [12:50:17] <av500> _koen_: in fact, it was faster than the cpu we ended up with in the end...
  • [12:50:39] * djlewis likes the av500 pinch kybd :)
  • [12:51:01] <av500> yeah, we even had pinch zoom on the pinch kbd
  • [12:51:31] <djlewis> did your screen get broken, there in the lower right corner... :(
  • [12:51:58] <av500> no, thats my head
  • [12:52:14] <_koen_> av500: there's something slower than a armv4t?
  • [12:52:19] <av500> reflected light rays etc..
  • [12:52:37] <djlewis> koen: mighe be my 6502
  • [12:52:38] <mru> _koen_: armv3
  • [12:52:45] <av500> _koen_: there was a 150mhz omap1....
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  • [12:52:57] <av500> which was 25% slower than the samsung
  • [12:53:09] <djlewis> but alas I drift from the arm category
  • [12:53:21] <av500> because the 200Mhz DM310 turned out to have .... um... issues
  • [12:53:37] <_koen_> for most things armv5te is loads faster at the same mhz, dunno how the 1x10 omaps performed
  • [12:54:15] <av500> anyway, TI did not like us marrying the samsung to a DM270...
  • [12:54:31] <av500> texans were against such interracial bonds
  • [12:54:39] <djlewis> sounds right
  • [12:54:45] <mru> arranged marriages..
  • [12:55:09] <djlewis> mostly shotgun weddings
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  • [12:55:28] <av500> so TI proposed the all new DM310,...
  • [12:55:47] <av500> which had one tiny issue....
  • [12:55:51] <av500> the MMU was special
  • [12:56:21] <av500> you had to write code that never ever crosses a page boundary....
  • [12:56:40] <mru> don't cross the pages...
  • [12:56:44] <av500> yup
  • [12:56:49] <mru> but what do you mean?
  • [12:56:59] <av500> what I said, the MMU was brokeb
  • [12:57:01] <av500> n
  • [12:57:21] <mru> but not cross how?
  • [12:57:51] <av500> cpu steps from one page to the next reading code
  • [12:58:00] <av500> it should look up the next phyiscal page
  • [12:58:02] <av500> but it did not
  • [12:58:41] <mru> the cortex-a8 has such a bug too
  • [12:58:58] <av500> but this one did not have the right fix-it-bit
  • [12:59:00] <mru> if a thumb2 32-bit branch instruction straddles a page boundary
  • [12:59:09] <mru> nor does this one
  • [12:59:19] <av500> mru: this one broke on every page boundary
  • [12:59:19] <mru> they've added workarounds to the compilers
  • [12:59:27] <mru> yeah, sounds worse
  • [12:59:36] <av500> well, the MMU was unuseable
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  • [13:02:12] * av500 is a professional now
  • [13:02:19] * av500 knows IT
  • [13:02:50] <woglinde> *g*
  • [13:03:02] <woglinde> certified?
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  • [13:03:24] <av500> no, not IT, *IT*
  • [13:03:35] <av500> *it*
  • [13:04:39] <av500> is a .config file considered part of a kernel GPL release?
  • [13:05:21] <_koen_> yes
  • [13:05:34] <_koen_> you can argue wether it's source or buildsystem, but gpl covers both
  • [13:05:34] <djlewis> av500: are you certifiably certified? ;)
  • [13:06:05] <av500> I never said certified
  • [13:06:12] <_koen_> av500: CONFIG_IK_CONFIG=y CONFIG_IK_CONFIG_PROC=y to add it to the kernel image
  • [13:06:42] <djlewis> woglinde: egged me on..
  • [13:08:21] * djlewis looks for best durable cardboard box to ship $1000.00 US piece of glass.
  • [13:09:13] <av500> or 1000 1$ piecec
  • [13:09:47] <djlewis> no, if it breaks to pieces there wont be any piece worth a single cent
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  • [13:23:28] <jacekowski> djlewis: insure this shit
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  • [13:28:18] <foobar> quick question. How do I set the boot args for angstrom if I can't get to that omap console from minicom. I've already set up the SD card with angstrom so when I do the minicom thing I just get taken to the beagleboard login. Can I set the resolution and make the DVI LCD screen work from within angstrom?
  • [13:28:49] <foobar> It doesn't seem to be showing anything on the LCD like I mentioned before.
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  • [13:44:46] <foobar> hmm odd. When I minicom to my beagleboard I can't type anything. I was able to just a moment ago. Now whenever I restart it goes to the login and I can't type. Anyone know why or have a guess?
  • [13:45:06] <jacekowski> flow control?
  • [13:45:11] * av500 now waits for stnbl to come back....
  • [13:45:51] <foobar> I have hardware flow control on and software off
  • [13:45:56] <foobar> that's correct I thought?
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  • [13:46:07] <_koen_> no
  • [13:46:08] <av500> no
  • [13:46:11] <av500> off and off
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  • [13:47:22] <freech> Hello , newbie's coming :-)
  • [13:47:27] <foobar> woot thanks. Hmm still can't see anything on my DVI screen. You mentioned a screen resolution.
  • [13:47:55] <freech> Was thinking about replacing my HTPC with a beagleBoard XM
  • [13:48:08] <av500> dont
  • [13:48:20] <freech> but not sure about the fiability of the Software I could find
  • [13:48:30] <av500> no 1080p on the BB
  • [13:48:34] <freech> Like a basic mplayer based media center
  • [13:48:50] <freech> thx av500 for this good info
  • [13:48:55] <av500> if you can live with mostly SD res, then yes
  • [13:49:00] <av500> otherwise no
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  • [13:49:16] <freech> you're right 1080p is a must have now
  • [13:49:24] <av500> up to you to decide
  • [13:49:41] <freech> isn't xm BB will 1080 p ? I couldn't see details about it
  • [13:49:42] <av500> and it has to be at least 3D as well...
  • [13:49:47] <av500> no
  • [13:50:51] <foobar> Do I have to format the SD card to set the screen resolution? Are the bootargs like immutable?
  • [13:50:51] <freech> It seems to have the 3D power
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  • [13:51:01] <freech> but maybe no codecs implementation in the DSP ?
  • [13:51:14] <av500> no 1080p
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  • [13:51:52] <freech> If anyone has other suggestions for a smarttop HD .... I have freescale and marvell products on my list
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  • [13:56:27] <tcmichals> I read that some one has a Leopard CCD board working with BeagleBoard-xM, there was something with the pin out?
  • [13:57:10] <_koen_> the different sensors use different data pins
  • [13:57:26] <_koen_> e.g. the vga one uses the MS 8, the 3m one the LS 10, etc, etc
  • [13:57:32] <_koen_> leopard imaging has info on that
  • [13:57:33] <tcmichals> is there some write up one which one to use?
  • [13:57:43] <av500> ask your wallet
  • [13:58:10] <_koen_> the vga and 3M work
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  • [13:59:37] <Ralph_> Hi, I'm getting an error that sais: Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
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  • [13:59:43] <Ralph_> when executing
  • [13:59:44] <Ralph_> #include "highgui.h" int main( int argc, char** argv ) { // cvLoadImage determines an image type and creates datastructure with appropriate size IplImage* img = cvLoadImage( argv[1]); // create a window. Window name is determined by a supplied argument cvNamedWindow( argv[1], CV_WINDOW_AUTOSIZE ); // Display an image inside and window. Window name is determined by a supplied argument cvShowImage( argv[1], img ); // wait
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  • [13:59:53] <Kmus> pastebin
  • [13:59:57] <_koen_> have you google that error?
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  • [13:59:59] <tcmichals> Item #: LI-5M03
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  • [14:00:42] <Ralph_> cvNamedWindow( argv[1], CV_WINDOW_AUTOSIZE ); cvShowImage( argv[1], img );
  • [14:01:01] <tcmichals> Oh the 3M pixel one... LI-LBCM3M1
  • [14:01:09] <Stecchino> Hi all. I just ordered the TI DLP pcio projector kit v2.0 from digikey. Anyone know when the xM beaglboard will be available
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  • [14:01:24] <Stecchino> the backorder page listed march 2011, which seems unlikely
  • [14:02:54] <_koen_> Stecchino: check beagleboard.org/buyxm
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  • [14:04:15] <foobar> Okay there I set setenv bootargs 'console=ttyS2,115200n8 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rw rootwait omapfb.mode=dvi:1024x768MR-16@60' then the other command and saveenv and it saved it then I restarted. Still nothing on the screen.
  • [14:04:15] <hrw> _koen_: where we have x-loader in OE?
  • [14:04:31] <_koen_> recipes/x-l<tab>
  • [14:04:54] <hrw> ah.. missed that
  • [14:04:55] <hrw> thx
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  • [14:07:19] <foobar> woah my DVI screen works hmm not sure why it just randomly worked. meh Thanks guys :)
  • [14:08:15] <Ralph_> any ideas on why am I getting this error?? Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
  • [14:08:36] <_koen_> have you google that error?
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  • [14:09:07] <Ralph_> ye
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  • [14:09:18] <hrw> ~curse igep for forking xloader
  • [14:09:27] <_koen_> the first link that came up had the answer
  • [14:09:36] <_koen_> the second and third link as well
  • [14:09:40] <_koen_> didn't check further
  • [14:09:41] <mru> ~curse xloader for existing in the first place
  • [14:09:50] <mru> sector 63...
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  • [14:09:53] <mru> or was it 54?
  • [14:10:07] <hrw> ;D
  • [14:10:12] <mru> av500's xloader probably reads from sector 54
  • [14:10:27] <av500> yes, from sector 26+26
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  • [14:11:23] <mru> add sector 26 to itself?
  • [14:11:56] <av500> dont be unprofessional
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  • [14:13:27] <djlewis> cuttin and busting foam board, what joy :(
  • [14:13:45] <djlewis> coffee break :)
  • [14:15:37] <mrcan> [root@EmbedSky /dev]# mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
  • [14:15:38] <mrcan> yaffs: dev is 8388609 name is "sda1"
  • [14:15:39] <mrcan> yaffs: passed flags ""
  • [14:15:40] <mrcan> yaffs: Attempting MTD mount on 8.1, "sda1"
  • [14:15:42] <mrcan> yaffs: dev is 8388609 name is "sda1"
  • [14:15:43] <mrcan> yaffs: passed flags ""
  • [14:15:45] <mrcan> yaffs: Attempting MTD mount on 8.1, "sda1"
  • [14:15:47] <mrcan> mount: mounting /dev/sda1 on /mnt failed: Invalid argument
  • [14:15:47] <av500> pastebin
  • [14:15:54] <mrcan> im trying to mount usb disk
  • [14:16:16] <Ralph_> export DISPLAY=:0 doesn't work for me. Did you see any other relevant solution?
  • [14:16:27] <mrcan> how can i mount it ?
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  • [14:19:12] <_koen_> Ralph_: do you have an x server running?
  • [14:19:22] <_koen_> since you're trying to use an X app, I would hope so :)
  • [14:19:34] <Ralph_> oh
  • [14:20:02] <Ralph_> would that be something I could tick on narcissus?
  • [14:20:24] <_koen_> it's a dropdown, but yes
  • [14:20:35] <Ralph_> x11?
  • [14:20:51] <_koen_> yes
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  • [14:21:13] <Ralph_> ok I'll try that, thankx
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  • [14:25:34] <Ralph_> do I need a desktop environment?
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  • [15:19:11] <Ralph_> ok I've installed o11 and I'm getting the same problem Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0
  • [15:19:18] <Ralph_> *x11
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  • [15:19:51] <Ralph_> is there something else I need to do for this to work?
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  • [15:20:32] <mru> I guess start the X server
  • [15:20:43] <Ralph_> and how do I do that?
  • [15:20:46] <mru> but that's just a guess, a ver unprofessional one
  • [15:20:50] <mru> *very
  • [15:21:02] <mru> Ralph_: what distribution are you using?
  • [15:21:20] <mru> do you have a text console login?
  • [15:21:29] <Ralph_> I downloaded an image from narcissus
  • [15:21:34] <Ralph_> yes
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  • [15:21:58] <mru> try "startx" at the shell prompt
  • [15:22:16] <Ralph_> startx not found
  • [15:22:23] <mru> try just X
  • [15:22:33] <Ralph_> not found
  • [15:22:36] <av500> gdm?
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  • [15:22:46] <mru> if X ain't there it ain't there
  • [15:22:53] <mru> probably forgot to select it in narcissus
  • [15:23:58] <Ralph_> hmmm
  • [15:24:18] <Ralph_> I selected x11 ... was there something else I should of selected?
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  • [15:25:24] <Ralph_> x control tool?
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  • [15:26:19] <Ralph_> gdm?
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  • [15:28:34] <Ralph_> any ideas?
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  • [15:39:59] <Ralph_> why do I get errors when building an image with narcissus?
  • [15:40:21] <Ralph_> by errors I mean red Xs
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  • [15:46:57] <ghoti> Ralph_: some packages don't seem to be available. I've never gotten gsm* included in packages I've built. What's missing for you?
  • [15:48:48] <ghoti> I've got a getty running on ttyS2, but my terminal only sees a y with two dots over it as output. Looks like the wrong bitrate, but it's not. Anyone know what could be causing this, or how to debug?
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  • [15:50:21] <Ralph_> I was trying to build an image for the bb with x11, GNOME, X11 Contol tool, toolchain, openCV, openCVheaders&libs and I got red Xs on opencv files
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  • [15:54:55] <ghoti> Ah - well, you can just install opencv after the fact with opkg, if you like.
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  • [15:55:13] <ghoti> beagleboard:~# opkg list-installed opencv
  • [15:55:13] <ghoti> opencv - 2.1.0+svnr3241-r1.5
  • [15:55:30] <Ralph_> I can't get the board connected to the internet yet
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  • [15:55:46] <ghoti> That's a bit more of a problem. Why not? Do you have a USB Ethernet dongle?
  • [15:55:54] <Ralph_> yep
  • [15:56:02] <ghoti> And....?
  • [15:56:18] <Ralph_> I wouldn't have a clue how to get it working
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  • [15:56:34] <adj> plug it in and hope for the best :)
  • [15:56:39] <ghoti> You start by plugging it in. Then perhaps reboot for good measure, see if it starts up.
  • [15:57:01] <Ralph_> I think I need to configure some proxy setting first
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  • [15:58:36] <ghoti> so ... you're running on a network without NAT?
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  • [16:00:27] <Ralph_> hmmm not sure what u mean by NAT but I need to connect through a proxy to get to the internet
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  • [16:02:40] <efriendabhishek> hello
  • [16:02:46] <av500> world
  • [16:03:01] <emeb> gm professionals
  • [16:03:08] <av500> hi emeb
  • [16:03:32] <emeb> av500: how's your long friday going?
  • [16:03:47] <av500> it spilled into monday morning
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  • [16:03:53] <efriendabhishek> Hey people i want to know about interfacing graphics LCD panel to beagle board
  • [16:03:57] <efriendabhishek> can you help me
  • [16:04:33] <mru> hmm, "long friday" is the swedish literal name for good friday
  • [16:04:42] <efriendabhishek> i have 16 bit data line LCD
  • [16:04:55] <ghoti> mru, Swedish has a lot of odd names for things.
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  • [16:06:05] <ghoti> for example, nipples are "chest warts", and areola translates literally as "wart yard".
  • [16:06:48] <av500> emeb: it is still friday....
  • [16:06:50] <mru> I see you've studied all the important anatomical words
  • [16:07:00] <ghoti> Indeed. :)
  • [16:07:03] <av500> and he hangs on to them
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  • [16:09:22] <Ralph_> can someone tell me what I need to get xserver running (maybe something I can tick on the narcissus page).
  • [16:10:00] <torpor> Ralph_, tick a desktop environment on the narcissus page
  • [16:10:07] <torpor> any desktop includes X.
  • [16:10:18] <Ralph_> thanks
  • [16:10:34] <mru> torpor must be a professional to give such solid advice
  • [16:10:44] <ghoti> Ralph_: NAT is Network Address Translation. It's what you use on a normal home router, usually instead of a proxy that has to be configured in your browser. I haven't checked to see how OPKG deals with proxies.
  • [16:11:15] <Ralph_> Oh ok, I'm not at home, I'm in a college
  • [16:11:50] <ghoti> And you have a private IP address? That is, 10.x.x.x, 192.168.x.x, or 172.(12-16).x.x?
  • [16:12:26] <Ralph_> I think it's like 192
  • [16:12:34] <ghoti> er, 172.(12-31).x.x
  • [16:13:02] <ghoti> okay, if it's 192.168.x.x, then it's private, and you do need a proxy. You know the proxy server's IP address and port?
  • [16:13:19] <Ralph_> ye
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  • [16:13:30] <torpor> mru must be a keen observer of expertise to have noticed
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  • [16:14:41] <mru> torpor: apologies for dragging you into the joke of the week
  • [16:15:20] <torpor> mru: no sweat off my back at all, just answering the Q:
  • [16:15:36] <torpor> be a good t-shirt: ".. must be a professional .."
  • [16:17:07] <Ralph_> actually my ip's more like 134.226
  • [16:17:21] <Ralph_> if that means anything
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  • [17:09:15] <ghoti> Ralph_: 134.226/16 appears to belong to Trinity College in Dublin. If your IP's in that range, you have a public IP. If you can't browse without a proxy, it's due to firewall rules.
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  • [17:11:08] <ghoti> ARRgh. I connected a 22uF capacitor between pins 1 and 28 on the header, and I'm STILL getting USB dropouts.
  • [17:11:20] <Ralph_> hmm,
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  • [17:11:57] <ghoti> Ralph_: opkg documentation is online. You should probably search it for instructions on how to use it with a proxy.
  • [17:12:30] <Ralph_> I'm onto it
  • [17:12:34] <emeb> ghoti: interesting news re ehci stability - I put a usb/wifi dongle in the ehci yesterday and it's been running w/o trouble since.
  • [17:12:47] <Ralph_> apparently I first need to figure out how to set up a network
  • [17:12:49] <ghoti> Ralph_: It *may* be as simple as setting an environment variable like "export http_proxy=134.226.blah.blah:8080" before running opkg.
  • [17:13:10] <emeb> prior to that the ehci wouldn't work for more than a few minutes before going belly-up with a wired usb/ethernet dongle
  • [17:13:11] <Ralph_> yes so I've read
  • [17:13:56] <Ralph_> but how do I configure it's ip address
  • [17:14:27] <ghoti> emeb, I've got my EHCI plugged into a hub. Problem is, I need *two* devices, and I'm leery of committing the OTB port by soldering J6.
  • [17:15:04] <ghoti> Ralph_: that's more of a general Linux thing. See what the scripts in /etc/network/ do.
  • [17:15:30] <ghoti> in particular, see what other scripts they slurp in to populate important variables.
  • [17:15:33] <emeb> ghoti: can't you get a proper OTG host cable? that's what I've got & it works fine.
  • [17:16:35] <Ralph_> yes I've got one of them
  • [17:16:44] <ghoti> emeb, there are NO cables with mini-A plugs anywhere in Toronto, I think. I've been on this quest for a week. Many folks at least understand what I'm asking for once I show them pictures, but nobody has cables or adapters. Even the scary parts warehouses just out of town.
  • [17:16:48] <ghoti> And Digikey is out of stock.
  • [17:17:02] <emeb> special computing?
  • [17:17:36] <emeb> https://specialcomp.com/beagleboard/order.htm - USB Mini-A to USB A Female OTG Cable (6-in).
  • [17:17:55] <ghoti> I'll try 'em. I'm thinking I should just mangle a device cable with a mini-B on one end. I have a USB A gender changer...
  • [17:18:08] <emeb> that works too...
  • [17:18:45] <Crofton> is the expansion connector for the Beagle XM the same?
  • [17:18:54] <mru> should be
  • [17:19:13] <emeb> ghoti: my original point was that some ehci problems are device dependent.
  • [17:19:29] <emeb> no idea if it's the drivers or power consumption, etc. tho
  • [17:19:57] <ghoti> ah
  • [17:20:18] <ghoti> Hmm. I'll see if any of my wifi dongles will work.
  • [17:20:27] <mru> connecting ehci via powered hub to 5 beagles over g_ether works fine on my C3...
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  • [17:20:54] <mru> I guess that's not a typical use case though
  • [17:21:12] <emeb> mru is a corner case
  • [17:21:22] <ghoti> If it's a device problem, would the problem necessarily be with the device that's directly connected (the hub)? Or could it be a device along the chain that's causing the USB shutdown?
  • [17:21:33] <emeb> excuse me - _professional_ corner case :)
  • [17:21:43] * ghoti tosses mru a nickel
  • [17:21:44] <ddd> hey, woglinde, sorry, i just found your reply, i supposed to patch opencv
  • [17:21:45] <mru> emeb: _edge_ I'd agree with.. but corner? come on...
  • [17:22:02] <ghoti> mru: that just means you're double-edged. :)
  • [17:22:43] * emeb often sits in the corner
  • [17:23:00] <ghoti> It would be really totally cool if I could get my serial console running again.
  • [17:23:02] <ghoti> :(
  • [17:25:28] <ghoti> Oh, weird! Serial console works when I disconnect the 22uF capacitor!
  • [17:26:33] <ghoti> oh. intermittently.
  • [17:26:34] * ghoti sighs
  • [17:26:55] <Ralph_> is it normal for the bb to take ages to boot if you put a gui on it?
  • [17:26:57] <mru> power management somehow interferes with the serial port
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  • [17:27:01] <ghoti> What is "?" over the serial console?
  • [17:27:04] <mru> by shutting it down
  • [17:27:11] <mru> that's 0xff
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  • [17:27:23] <mru> in latin1 at least
  • [17:27:36] <robtow> Ralph_ please use better units than "ages".
  • [17:27:37] <ghoti> ah - \377.
  • [17:27:50] <emeb> Ralph_: is this the first boot?
  • [17:28:08] <mru> right boot or left boot?
  • [17:28:20] <emeb> jackboot?
  • [17:28:21] <ghoti> I wonder what it means, though. I see a lot of ? when I boot. The box comes up, but without usable serial.
  • [17:28:29] <Ralph_> 5 min and still waiting
  • [17:28:41] <mru> ghoti: wrong terminal settings perhaps
  • [17:28:51] <ghoti> mru, it worked the last boot. Same terminal, same settings.
  • [17:28:56] <mru> hmm
  • [17:29:06] <sakoman_> Ralph_: yes, that is normal. watch the serial console to see what is going on during that time
  • [17:29:12] <Ralph_> yea first boot
  • [17:29:19] <ghoti> asuming the serial console works. ;)
  • [17:29:26] <emeb> Ralph_: you're fine then
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  • [17:29:41] <emeb> Angstrom is busy configuring itself 1st time through
  • [17:29:51] <emeb> subsequent boots will be much quicker
  • [17:29:58] <Ralph_> cool
  • [17:30:23] <ghoti> mru, could I have *damaged* the serial controller by putting the capacitor on to solve the USB failures?
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  • [17:30:35] <mru> ghoti: anything is possible
  • [17:30:46] <ghoti> ya, but some things are more likely.
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  • [17:31:57] <ghoti> Argh. I plug in a monitor to the HDMI port, and now serial console works again.
  • [17:32:04] <ghoti> This is bizarre.
  • [17:32:06] * emeb remembers street signs in London warning one is "liable to be fitted with a wheel clamp" - in the US we call that a boot too
  • [17:32:37] <ghoti> emeb: also, the trunk of a car is called the boot in the UK.
  • [17:32:54] <mru> no, the boot of the car is called the trunk in the US
  • [17:33:00] <ghoti> ah, right...
  • [17:33:12] <emeb> hood <-> bonnet
  • [17:33:25] <mru> and petrol
  • [17:33:43] <emeb> yeah - gas doesn't make much sense...
  • [17:34:02] <Ralph_> does this sound like a problem I should be concerned with?
  • [17:34:03] <Ralph_> Configuring gnome-terminal.00000] Inode-cache hash tab [ 843.952575] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0p2, logical block 68574 [ 843.959045] lost page write due to I/O error on mmcblk0p2 [ 843.964508] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 1367915 [ 843.970458] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0p2, logical block 68575 [ 843.976928] lost page write due to I/O error on mmcblk0p2 [ 843.982360] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcbl
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  • [17:34:14] <emeb> normal
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  • [17:38:08] <ghoti> Does the bgb's getty try to autodetect bits and parity on the serial port? The first time I try to log in on it, I often get a few weird characters, and see things like "PASS???D".
  • [17:38:37] <ghoti> And the "r" of root comes back as "?".
  • [17:39:17] <mru> that sounds like the PM issue
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  • [17:40:50] <ghoti> PM?
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  • [17:41:10] <emeb> power management
  • [17:41:16] <ghoti> Again?
  • [17:41:34] <emeb> still?
  • [17:41:44] <ghoti> Did I just get a dud beagleboard?
  • [17:41:47] <emeb> noooo
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  • [17:41:58] <mru> ghoti: no, it's a kernel thing
  • [17:42:05] <emeb> on some kernels the PM shuts down the UART and causes all sorts of fun
  • [17:42:08] <mru> hit enter a few times
  • [17:42:12] <mru> eventually it will come back
  • [17:42:15] <ghoti> Ah.
  • [17:42:37] <emeb> if that works, get a different kernel
  • [17:42:51] <ghoti> Well, shutting down the UART is probably a good thing in general. If only USB wouldn't get shut down... Or if there was some way to reactivate it without rebooting....
  • [17:44:59] <emeb> haven't heard of PM shutting of the USB tho
  • [17:45:19] <emeb> s/of/off/
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  • [17:56:17] <sesha> hi is anyone online
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  • [18:00:53] <mru> guess not
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  • [18:01:19] <ds2> morning
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  • [18:01:41] <mru> morning ds2
  • [18:02:30] <emeb> gm ds2
  • [18:03:04] <Ralph_> help ... how do I login on the first boot
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  • [18:03:21] <emeb> Ralph_: what do you see?
  • [18:03:37] <Ralph_> a login button
  • [18:04:06] <emeb> did you click it?
  • [18:04:10] <Ralph_> and the user name & then password
  • [18:04:16] <Ralph_> *then
  • [18:04:38] <emeb> try root?
  • [18:04:46] <Ralph_> with what password?
  • [18:04:55] <emeb> how about none, or root
  • [18:05:04] * emeb guesses unprofessionally
  • [18:05:10] <Ralph_> authentification failure
  • [18:05:11] <_av500_> try 54
  • [18:06:08] <Ralph_> 54?
  • [18:06:16] <mru> 26+26
  • [18:06:25] <emeb> + epsilon
  • [18:06:48] <mru> they finally found the value of epsilon?
  • [18:07:32] <koen> login over serial, set passwd for root and/or adduser yourself
  • [18:07:57] <koen> or edit custom.conf like jason mailed to the beagle list last month
  • [18:08:24] <ds2> why are we bothering with passwords? don't everyone have iButtons customized for login yet? :D
  • [18:08:29] <emeb> having a serial connection for 1st boot (and subsequent too) is _really_ a good idea
  • [18:08:43] <Ralph_> ok thanks
  • [18:09:10] <emeb> ds2: we should all use encrypted IR badges
  • [18:09:20] <emeb> or fingerprint scanners
  • [18:09:25] <emeb> etc etc
  • [18:09:34] <ds2> exactly ;)
  • [18:09:41] <mru> brain wave pattern matching
  • [18:09:54] <emeb> wouldn't work for me - brainless
  • [18:09:59] <mru> only works if you're alive
  • [18:10:16] <mru> fingerprint scanners don't generally require the finger to be attached to the right body
  • [18:10:20] <mru> or any body, for that matter
  • [18:10:20] <emeb> actually not - I've got MRIs to prove I have a brain
  • [18:10:46] <mru> hmm, I've never had myself checked...
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  • [18:11:06] <emeb> like spending an hour inside a trashcan while someone beats on it with a baseball bat
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  • [18:20:24] <qball> actually there are finger print readers that check for blood flowing
  • [18:20:32] <qball> they can still be fooled easily
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  • [18:47:04] <b7500af1> #gnuradio
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  • [19:07:22] <_av500_> #no
  • [19:07:39] <_av500_> #GN/LinuxRadio
  • [19:07:43] <_av500_> +U
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  • [19:09:38] <xMDKx> what?
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  • [19:14:21] <Crofton|work> b7500af1 is having typing issues
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  • [19:19:52] <koen> and _av500_ is having rms issues
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  • [19:22:54] <_av500_> root mean square?
  • [19:23:06] <_av500_> koen: remeber, i know *it*
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  • [19:24:42] <koen> stallman
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  • [19:32:34] <emeb> just be mature and don't tell everything that comes to your mind
  • [19:40:56] <mru> koen: :-)
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  • [19:52:38] <Redb3ard> Well, I got these chinese CDMA aircards... and they come in Communist Red.
  • [19:52:50] <Redb3ard> Even managed to get usb-modeswitch to work, though not easily.
  • [19:53:59] <_av500_> do they run 54mbit?
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  • [19:54:33] <Redb3ard> But I don't even think they use the correct frequencies for the US.
  • [19:54:42] <Redb3ard> Nah, they're CDMA cell modems.
  • [19:54:50] <Redb3ard> Like for use with Verizon.
  • [19:55:08] <_av500_> koen: mru: emeb: btw, i asked gerald
  • [19:55:15] <_av500_> and it is of course like we said
  • [19:55:28] <_av500_> and he has no idea himself why the 2 footprints are the same
  • [19:56:10] <Redb3ard> Though, if I ship my Beagleboard to Shanghai, chances are it'll be able to connect.
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  • [20:11:07] <djlewis_> ghoti: just asking, how did you connect the polarity of the capacitor to you BB?
  • [20:11:32] <djlewis_> negative to ground, the other to your 1.8vDC?
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  • [20:12:06] <_av500_> polarity?
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  • [20:13:24] <djlewis_> enquiring minds want to know :P
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  • [20:16:08] <_av500_> what i got for ehci fix was not polar
  • [20:16:40] * mru uses circularly polarised cap
  • [20:16:51] <mru> circular is better with digital, right?
  • [20:17:06] <_av500_> yes
  • [20:17:14] <djlewis_> rolling 1's and 0's
  • [20:17:17] <_av500_> its better with any modern light meter
  • [20:17:43] <mru> is there a good usb-connected light meter?
  • [20:17:54] <_av500_> not that i know of
  • [20:18:12] <mru> damn, guess we need to wait for light-speed usb
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  • [20:19:23] <Redb3ard> Seriously?
  • [20:19:39] <mru> professionally serious
  • [20:19:46] <Redb3ard> Yes, I found one for about $50 that just does ADC and has a photodiode or something hooked up to it.
  • [20:19:57] <mru> Redb3ard: I'm joking
  • [20:20:30] <_av500_> http://www.cpfreviews.com/Gossen-Mavolux-5032-B-USB-Lightmeter.php
  • [20:20:31] <Redb3ard> Well, I need all kinds of dumb stuff like that, so if you ever see me ask, I'm probably not joking.
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  • [20:21:09] <_av500_> mru: i found you one
  • [20:21:11] <Redb3ard> Ouch. Yeh, I keep running across lab equipment like that.
  • [20:21:25] <Redb3ard> Makes it difficult to find what I want most of the time.
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  • [20:22:36] <emeb> _av500_: so we were guessing professionally!
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  • [20:25:58] <_av500_> hmm, amazon has it for $790, a steal
  • [20:27:42] <Redb3ard> Yeh, that's pretty cheap, and this one isn't even the size of half a desk like most of the usb lab equipment type stuff I see.
  • [20:28:08] <Redb3ard> Though what the point of it being usb is, I dunno, since it has its own display and buttons.
  • [20:28:12] <_av500_> its the small version, the large one is 1500
  • [20:28:34] <_av500_> Redb3ard: you take a gazillion readings per day
  • [20:28:59] <emeb> well, > 24 hours uptime on the ehci port with rtl wifi dongle. New record!
  • [20:29:21] <Redb3ard> emeb, why does it drop when it does?
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  • [20:29:35] <_av500_> missing y1a
  • [20:29:54] <emeb> Redb3ard: this is a C2 w/ flaky EHCI - hasn't worked in the past with wired ethernet dongle
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  • [20:30:06] <_av500_> Redb3ard: i guess the ehci issue
  • [20:30:17] <_av500_> emeb: you added the cap?
  • [20:30:18] <Redb3ard> Just wondering.
  • [20:30:30] <koen> emeb: happy camper?
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  • [20:30:37] <emeb> _av500_: yes. I've got an extra 22uf @ C97
  • [20:30:43] <_av500_> k
  • [20:30:44] <emeb> koen: indeed.
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  • [20:31:09] <emeb> only 1 wall wart needed to run my BB now.
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  • [20:31:48] <emeb> and the rtl driver seems to behave a lot better than the davicom one.
  • [20:32:09] <emeb> despite being 'staging'
  • [20:32:27] <koen> must be the pci
  • [20:32:42] <emeb> :)
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  • [20:41:28] <_av500_> fellow professionals, i wish you all a pleasant morning, afternoon or evening
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  • [20:44:01] <emeb> likewise
  • [20:44:30] <RobotGuy> Has anyone gotten Android 2.2 onto a Beagle?
  • [20:46:43] * bkero got android 2.2 on a beagle-like device.
  • [20:47:29] <ghoti> djlewis_: was the capacitor supposed to be polarized? The one I have isn't marked, but it's in a package the looks like a Tantalum, sort of like this: http://www.it.ca/~paul/capacitor.jpg .. It's marked "22u / 10V / T 3 / PHILIPS" (slashes are newlines), with a vertical "++k" to the right of that text. Bad?
  • [20:47:30] * djlewis_ wonders what the children will look like
  • [20:47:34] <RobotGuy> bkero: What is your device?
  • [20:48:19] <bkero> RobotGuy: an OSWALD, a handheld device based off the beagle.
  • [20:48:43] <RobotGuy> bkero: Does it use a BeagleBoard as its base?
  • [20:48:51] <bkero> RobotGuy: http://beaversource.oregonstate.edu/projects/cspfl
  • [20:49:10] <RobotGuy> bkero: I live in Oregon.
  • [20:49:21] <bkero> RobotGuy: come visit osu
  • [20:49:29] <emeb> RobotGuy: my condolences. :)
  • [20:49:31] <djlewis_> mru: _av500_ , any input for ghoti ?
  • [20:49:37] * emeb used to live in OR
  • [20:49:44] <ds2> Mmmm blackberries
  • [20:49:54] * bkero is in the bay area now. Wish I were in Oregon. :(
  • [20:49:54] <bkero> Too much humanity here.
  • [20:49:55] <koen> Is there a state called AND?
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  • [20:50:05] <ghoti> koen: you beat me to it.
  • [20:50:12] <mru> xoregon...
  • [20:50:32] <koen> nandizona
  • [20:50:47] <ghoti> Is the state *shaped* like an OR? That would make it an oregon, wouldn't it?
  • [20:51:09] * emeb sometimes misses rain
  • [20:51:11] <mru> derived from polygon...
  • [20:51:12] <mru> hmm
  • [20:52:01] <bkero> RobotGuy: If you're in Portland, they have a booth at OSCON going on right now.
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  • [20:53:38] <ds2> emeb: but you get a whole lot more sunshine in exchange!
  • [20:54:19] <emeb> ds2: true. nice to have a little break from that every now & again
  • [20:54:54] <emeb> we had a nice thunderstorm last night - lasted about 1/2 hour. First rain in 3 mo
  • [20:55:27] <ghoti> mru, any capacitor advice? (~20 lines ago)
  • [20:55:49] <djlewis_> ghoti: _av500_ says he used a non polarized cap. I have'nt.
  • [20:55:52] <emeb> ghoti: hard to say from your description. Sounds like it might be a polarized cap though.
  • [20:56:09] <mru> ghoti: sorry, I haven't had to use one
  • [20:56:10] <emeb> would be good to get an actual picture of it
  • [20:56:11] <mru> don't know what works
  • [20:56:20] <mru> and guessing would be unprofessional
  • [20:56:27] <ghoti> The only thing distinguishing the pins is that one of them comes out of a blob of casing that's slightly larger than the other.
  • [20:56:31] <ghoti> I'll take a picture. one sec...
  • [20:56:33] <djlewis_> ghoti, could have a mark near one leg or a + sign.
  • [20:56:35] <emeb> yes - the new mantra is "we don't know"
  • [20:56:45] * sakoman_ lived in Corvallis for 8 years
  • [20:57:00] * emeb went to OSU for 2 yrs
  • [20:57:09] <djlewis_> before trimming, one lead could be longer than the other
  • [20:57:16] <djlewis_> ghoti: ^^^
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  • [21:02:16] <ghoti> They came from a box of identical caps, all with short leads... I'm wondering if the "++k" on the right might be an indicator, but it's far from the wire. Here's a photo, with my addition of wire to get it into the header: http://www.it.ca/~paul/cap-real.jpg
  • [21:02:53] <djlewis_> i would hang th e+ on 1.8vDC
  • [21:03:00] <emeb> concur.
  • [21:03:02] <djlewis_> the +
  • [21:03:19] <djlewis_> the fat leg side
  • [21:03:43] <emeb> looks like a tantalum - those will pop rather spectacularly if reverse biased.
  • [21:03:56] <ghoti> Great, thanks. Lucky for me it didn't pop, then...
  • [21:04:21] <djlewis_> if you have another, replace it if it was reversed
  • [21:04:40] <emeb> the problem you have is that with those long leads you may be reducing its effectiveness.
  • [21:04:43] <ghoti> I do.. I've been buying two of everything for the last 2 weeks...
  • [21:04:55] <ghoti> emeb, 1.8V and ground are a whole expansion header apart.
  • [21:05:00] <emeb> leads = inductance which impairs RF performance.
  • [21:05:07] <RobotGuy> bkero: I am going to OSCON, but maybe not today. I actually live in Beaverton.
  • [21:05:15] <emeb> ghoti: understood. that's why using the expansion connector is sub-optimal.
  • [21:05:22] <djlewis_> emeb: can a gnd be found near 1.8?
  • [21:05:25] <bkero> Cool, that's where I'm moving in a few months. Doing an internship down at Mozilla now.
  • [21:05:31] <emeb> C97 sol'n is best.
  • [21:05:35] <djlewis_> yep
  • [21:05:44] * bkero is playing with nVidia build platforms and an actual _SmartBook_.
  • [21:05:59] <koen> does it have neon?
  • [21:06:21] <ghoti> Hmm. You know what? I *did* have this plugged into the expansion header with the + side on pin 1.
  • [21:06:24] <emeb> djlewis_: good question.
  • [21:06:37] <bkero> It's a Tegra, not sure if they have neon. I'm porting Linux onto it right now, it's running Windows CE 6 crap.
  • [21:06:57] <mru> tegra has no neon
  • [21:07:00] <djlewis_> emeb: reviewing my BO notice for the lunchbox dated June23..
  • [21:07:42] <emeb> looks like pins 1&2 of S2 near the expansion connector are GND
  • [21:08:21] <ghoti> So ... if I'm going to solder a different 22uF capacitor onto C97, what kind makes sense? tantalum? electrolytic? I'll only do this once (if I get my nerve up), so what's the best one?
  • [21:08:44] <djlewis_> yu can piggyback that same kind
  • [21:08:45] <emeb> djlewis_: learn anything? I haven't heard from them
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  • [21:09:02] <djlewis_> emeb: I dont think I have been charged yet.
  • [21:09:08] <ghoti> Ooh, exp header to S2 would be way easier to solder.
  • [21:09:46] <emeb> ghoti: yep.
  • [21:10:09] <emeb> & cut the leads of the cap as short as you can.
  • [21:11:00] <emeb> be careful too - not sure which pins on S2 are 1 & 2. Test first w/ DMM.
  • [21:11:21] <ghoti> The other wrinkle is that my soldering iron. It's not temperature controlled, just 30W.
  • [21:11:35] <RobotGuy> bkero: I just want to get Android 2.2 onto my Beagle C3 right now. I might get a LiquidWare Tablet Pack for my Beagle.
  • [21:11:42] <ghoti> er, grammar fail.
  • [21:11:48] <ghoti> The other wrinkle is that my soldering iron is not temperature controlled, just 30W.
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  • [21:15:06] <emeb> ghoti: if you're careful that won't matter. Just don't overheat things.
  • [21:15:23] <djlewis_> keep yout tip clean ;)
  • [21:15:44] <emeb> RobotGuy: koen mentioned that Liquidware was shipping systems with Android. Do you know what version they're using?
  • [21:16:31] <ghoti> emeb, just testing whether pins on S2 are shorted to ground should be sufficient, right? I can't see pin numbers either, though it looks as if GND should be the outside two pins on each switch (closer to the edge of the board).
  • [21:16:55] <macdonalder> ok, so I got a board today (rev c4), made an sd card using instructions from http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/LinuxBootDiskFormat and put MLO, uImage and u-boot.bin in the first partition... when the board booted from nand it was using x-loader 1.4.2 and u-boot 2009.11-rc1
  • [21:16:55] <ghoti> (looking at the screens at the end of the service manual.)
  • [21:16:58] <emeb> ghoti: yep - just test continuity to gnd
  • [21:17:03] <ghoti> THANKS.
  • [21:17:16] <ghoti> Okay, off to the store. See y'all in an hour or two. :)
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  • [21:17:56] <macdonalder> from the mmc I made, it would attempt to load MLO, stop after i2C: ready, this was with the MLO from http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/
  • [21:18:16] <djlewis_> macdonalder: your nand MLO is too old
  • [21:18:20] <emeb> macdonalder: this is a know incompatibility between the MLO in NAND and on the SD.
  • [21:18:24] <macdonalder> ok, that's what I thought too
  • [21:18:34] <djlewis_> user button should work
  • [21:18:59] <RobotGuy> emeb: No, I don't, but I need to find out.
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  • [21:19:15] <djlewis_> macdonalder: press and hold user button, press and release reset then release user button.
  • [21:19:31] <emeb> RobotGuy: hmmm - haven't spotted details on any of their sites yet...
  • [21:19:31] <RobotGuy> emeb: I know they ship an SD Card with "LiquidWare Linux"
  • [21:19:47] <macdonalder> so I removed the u-boot from my sd card, booted to a prompt from nand, ran the instructions from the readme (http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/README.txt) but now I just get junk serial data
  • [21:20:01] <emeb> RobotGuy: gotta have source - it's the law.
  • [21:20:46] <RobotGuy> emeb: I'm sure Liquidware supplies full sources to what they create.
  • [21:21:06] <emeb> RobotGuy: yep - just a matter of finding where they hide it.
  • [21:21:25] <emeb> everything I've seen so far is just talking about Angstrom
  • [21:21:34] <RobotGuy> emeb: I know. Sometimes stuff is real hard to find on Liquidware.
  • [21:21:37] <macdonalder> djlewis_: unless I'm getting the timing wrong, that sequence doesn't seem to do much
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  • [21:22:07] <RobotGuy> Right now, I just want to get Android 2.2 onto my Beagle C3.
  • [21:22:09] <djlewis_> macdonalder: didnt work on my C2 either but is supposed to.
  • [21:22:25] <djlewis_> macdonalder: I had to update my nand's MLO
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  • [21:22:47] <RobotGuy> I should go to OSCON today. I need to get out of here for awhile.
  • [21:22:56] <djlewis_> macdonalder: I used the readme at the bottom of the demo page.
  • [21:23:01] <emeb> RobotGuy: a lot of folks come here asking about 'porting' Android to Beagle. It's been done over & over. Question is which version.
  • [21:23:11] <djlewis_> macdonalder: same as the readme.txt
  • [21:23:42] <macdonalder> djlewis_: yeah, I copied that a line at a time
  • [21:24:22] <djlewis_> macdonalder: which MLO and the rest are you using, from where?
  • [21:24:41] <macdonalder> from http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/
  • [21:24:48] <djlewis_> same as me.
  • [21:25:19] <macdonalder> I was pretty diligent with checking md5 sums along the way too
  • [21:25:20] <djlewis_> It has been a couple months since I did that to mine.
  • [21:25:41] <emeb> RobotGuy: interesting - this page doesn't mention Android: http://www.liquidware.com/shop/show/BB-SD4/Liquidware+BeagleBoot+SD+Card
  • [21:25:56] <djlewis_> I simply grabbed MLO, uboot.bin and uImage from the page
  • [21:26:56] <RobotGuy> emeb: Exactly. Nobody says which version they ported. Anyway, I am going to go to OSCON today, so need to go get ready.
  • [21:27:06] <emeb> have fun
  • [21:27:19] <RobotGuy> I will. I went last year too. :) Bye for now!
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  • [21:29:17] <koen> emeb: i was an old, old oxdroid on the card
  • [21:29:50] <koen> emeb: the liquidware guys were surprised it was on there, I suspect I got one of their test cards
  • [21:29:59] <koen> as it came with a presoldered beagle
  • [21:30:00] <emeb> koen: hah!
  • [21:30:03] <prpplague> koen: you looked into the omap EHCI drivers?
  • [21:30:22] <emeb> too bad RobotGuy just left.
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  • [21:32:16] <koen> prpplague: no
  • [21:32:35] <prpplague> koen: know of anyone that has?
  • [21:32:50] <koen> not from the top of my head
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  • [21:50:25] <ds2> ewwwwwwwwwwww leaded parts
  • [21:50:36] <djlewis_> yum, lead.. :)
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  • [21:55:16] <koen> ds2: that's for a good lead time
  • [21:55:20] <emeb> be happy with what you have to be happy with
  • [21:55:25] <macdonalder> quick question... does the beagleboard normally ship with a bootable linux install in nand?
  • [21:56:06] <koen> it doesn't
  • [21:56:10] <koen> only MLO and uboot
  • [21:56:28] <koen> the xM will ship with a bootable sd card, though
  • [21:56:32] <koen> when it ships
  • [21:56:41] <macdonalder> ahh, ok
  • [22:00:21] <Crofton> koen, how is the xm coming along?
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  • [22:05:50] <koen> Crofton: jason and/or gerald will post an update soon
  • [22:06:04] <koen> I've only been "working" on the sw
  • [22:07:20] <koen> now that the vga and 3m sensors work the bulk of the work has been completed
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  • [22:12:27] <djlewis_> yea! onboard cameras... :)
  • [22:13:01] <macdonalder> djlewis_: ok... I have no idea how, but somehow its booting again, but only with the sd card in, and without me pushing the user button
  • [22:13:18] <macdonalder> without the card in, it doesn't load the bootloader
  • [22:13:20] <djlewis_> cool
  • [22:13:38] <buZz> does anyone here know of a nice&cheap armv5 or armv7 device with sata or pata connector?
  • [22:13:52] <buZz> i'm looking for a small NAS setup, single drive
  • [22:14:17] <djlewis_> usb to sata adapter??
  • [22:14:26] <djlewis_> works for me
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  • [22:14:52] <buZz> reliable?
  • [22:15:02] <djlewis_> on a c2's ehci LOL
  • [22:15:08] <buZz> able to do 24/7 full bandwidth?
  • [22:15:41] <djlewis_> I did watch a 45 minute video off a cdr
  • [22:16:23] * djlewis_ should try the cap fix
  • [22:16:39] <buZz> well i was looking at the freecom device
  • [22:16:46] <ds2> Hawk Hawk Hawk
  • [22:16:49] <buZz> oh no
  • [22:16:57] <buZz> seagate freeagent dockstar
  • [22:16:58] <buZz> that one
  • [22:17:25] <buZz> comes for about 54 euros to my door
  • [22:17:46] <ds2> and 50 of which are taxes? :D
  • [22:18:21] <djlewis_> argh
  • [22:19:57] <buZz> ds2: hehe probably :)
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  • [22:22:33] <macdonalder> ok, I've got it loading the MLO and u-boot off the sd card, I'm going through the flash instructions but 'nand unlock' is no longer a command?
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  • [22:23:38] <sakoman_> macdonalder: correct, it is no longer required
  • [22:23:50] <macdonalder> excellent, ty
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  • [22:44:43] <macdonalder> killer, now have angstrom up and running... where might I find information about this angstrom demo and what's included? I'm mostly looking for information about what I can install (need jamvm...)
  • [22:48:16] <macdonalder> ahh nm, I think I've got it
  • [22:51:18] <djlewis_> do opkg update first
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  • [22:56:33] <macdonalder> djlewis_: for the time being I don't have a network connection so I was just going to put packages on the sd card, but yeah, now that you mention it, it may be better to wait until I have a chance to get my ethernet dongle from home...
  • [22:57:21] <djlewis_> macdonalder: you can have lack of depends being setup installing locally
  • [22:57:59] <djlewis_> macdonalder: not relevant for all installs
  • [22:58:45] <djlewis_> macdonalder: ei; I built nano and geany with OE and they took just fine.
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  • [23:00:36] <macdonalder> I'm familiar with OE (I've played with a gumstix) but I was just going to see how far I could get tonight in a hurry... I'll set up some networking tomorrow and update its repositories as what I'd like to install will likely need at least a few dependencies
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  • [23:05:12] <djlewis_> later...
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  • [23:12:01] <emeb> similar to the turkish work for hell, but not quite...
  • [23:12:22] <emeb> multi-culti is such fun...
  • [23:13:26] <emeb> ah - got it.
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