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  • [00:57:11] <ds2> wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee another WiFi chipset works
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  • [01:15:02] <ojn> ds2: which one this time? SDIO-based or usb?
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  • [01:23:27] <Ira> Appologize for noob ? Whats a minimum config (cables, etc) for a C4 BB to use with desktop PC?
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  • [01:28:02] <ds2> ojn: USB
  • [01:28:08] <ds2> Realtek
  • [01:28:14] <ojn> ah, ok
  • [01:28:47] <ds2> when SDIO ones become cheap in smaller quantities, they may get more interesting
  • [01:29:09] <ojn> I guess they're all aimed at high-volume markets today. It's not like you can go buy them at fry's...
  • [01:29:14] <ojn> i.e. cell phones. :)
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  • [01:29:55] <ds2> you can buy them, they are about 4-6x higher in small quantities
  • [01:30:26] <ds2> 7" LCD, GPS, WiFi...
  • [01:38:25] <Ira> Hi was that in reference to what I need for development with a bb c4 and a desktop winn 7/linux )PC?
  • [01:45:13] <Ira> Hi I recently got a c4 as a gift so far all Ive done is blink the leds what do I need with a somewhat recent desktop pc to do development with it
  • [01:48:04] <ds2> not much, just brains
  • [01:48:26] <ds2> if you got to the point where you can blink LEDs, you have most of the physical stuff you need
  • [01:49:13] <Ira> that I can do with just usb but have ps2 kb and usb mouse on pc
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  • [01:50:23] <Ira> Im not a total idiot was systems engineeer for DIGITAL and DG but mostly sw systems person and worked with arduino & couold use pointer to getting started hardware
  • [01:51:19] <Ira> could I call you or you call me and ask some noob q's by voice?
  • [01:51:46] <Ira> ds2?
  • [01:54:32] <ds2> that'd would be considered commercial support and commercial support terms apply =)
  • [01:54:39] <Ira> Thanks
  • [01:55:12] <Ira> could you give me url of HW Noob setup
  • [01:55:23] <Ira> on non-commercial basis
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  • [01:59:44] <ds2> HW setup? take a look at the pictures from specialcomp.com
  • [02:00:09] <Ira> thanks
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  • [03:39:04] <hgs> i used dmaiperf element to find the cpu taken by dsp, it is less than 45% for h.264 BP VGA 1mpbs encoded video. so i guess moving to mpeg4 will not provide me any advantage in improving the video fluency.. any comments??
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  • [04:07:22] <_av500_> correct
  • [04:07:53] <_av500_> we discussed that already, your issue is not the dsp
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  • [04:22:23] <ds2> heheh
  • [04:25:34] <ds2> _av500_: you requested pictures? http://www.hy-research.com/tmp/beaglelcd7.jpg
  • [04:28:27] <_av500_> u have a high res digicam
  • [04:28:56] <ds2> how did you conclude I have a high rez cam?
  • [04:29:17] <_av500_> it is quite more than 220x176....
  • [04:29:24] <ds2> Oh hehe
  • [04:29:37] <ds2> it is just a phone camera
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  • [04:54:37] <ds2> _av500_: found out what the problem was... xv resizes the entire thing to the screen size THEN it crops... replaced it with a better one using imagemagik
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  • [05:07:55] <av500> ds2: what problem?
  • [05:08:23] <ds2> picture resolution
  • [05:08:38] <av500> ah
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  • [06:44:07] <paddu_> hi
  • [06:45:00] <paddu_> I get as error when using download utility to download U-boot
  • [06:45:17] <paddu_> the error says "Invalid ASIC-ID. Please reset the EVM and try again"
  • [06:45:48] <paddu_> I don't have any idea what to do with this error
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  • [07:18:26] <koen> mru: http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/05/mongoose-studios-dozen-ipod-cluster-display-is-an-expensive-way/
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  • [07:22:42] <dm8tbr> that should interest av500 too
  • [07:23:02] <av500> I guess that is why there is a comment of mine already :)
  • [07:23:08] <dm8tbr> oic :D
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  • [07:31:30] <dm8tbr> koen: can I bother you for a minute? I applied this patch http://www.openaos.org/tmp/linux_3d.patch to the archos5it kernel. I got it from av500 and it enables EGL. Problem is that regular fb now behaves weird. Am I missing something obvious?
  • [07:32:24] <dm8tbr> weird as in some things don't display at all
  • [07:32:44] <dm8tbr> and the x-server only manages to display some fonts and a limited number of icons
  • [07:35:33] <av500> makes no sense
  • [07:36:05] <av500> ah: v+ar->nonstd = OMAPFB_COLOR_ARGB32;
  • [07:36:07] <av500> err
  • [07:36:11] <av500> ah: +var->nonstd = OMAPFB_COLOR_ARGB32;
  • [07:36:33] <av500> how hackish...
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  • [07:37:31] <new2bb> hi all
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  • [07:39:50] <new2bb> koen, while building codec-engine using bitbake ti-codec-engine, i m getting following error:
  • [07:39:55] <new2bb> ERROR: Task 299 (/home/test/OE/angstrom-setup-scripts/sources/openembedded/recipes/ti/ti-dsplink_1.64.bb, do_prepsources) failed with 256
  • [07:40:26] <av500> pastebin the full log
  • [07:40:35] <av500> the full error msg
  • [07:42:25] <new2bb> following is the log error, :
  • [07:42:52] <av500> use pastebin
  • [07:42:56] <av500> .com
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  • [07:48:05] <new2bb> @av500, the full log is at: http://pastebin.com/jYcRDa3w
  • [07:49:05] <_koen_> /home/test/OE/angstrom-setup-scripts/build/tmp-angstrom_2008_1/work/beagleboard-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/ti-dsplink-1_1_64-r80h/temp/run.do_prepsources.17241: line 817: /home/test/OE/angstrom-setup-scripts/build/tmp-angstrom_2008_1/sysroots/beagleboard-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/share/ti/ti-xdctools-tree/xdc: No such file or directory
  • [07:49:26] <_koen_> new2bb: could you try 'bitbake ti-xdc-tools' ?
  • [07:50:37] <new2bb> koen , its failed
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  • [07:54:49] <av500> dm8tbr: that patch has like 3 unrelated changes, I woulld try to leave them out 1 by 1 and see where it unbreaks
  • [07:55:27] <dm8tbr> av500: mhm, I'll try that. I guess you mean the different files it touches?
  • [07:55:39] <av500> see other chnl
  • [07:56:43] <new2bb> koen, ti-xdc-tool.bb file is not there in recipe folder, that's why it failed, with following error msg:
  • [07:56:57] <new2bb> http://pastebin.com/qeciMqYV
  • [07:57:34] <_koen_> ah, right 'bitbake ti-xdctools'
  • [08:02:13] <new2bb> koen, this run successfully,
  • [08:04:45] <new2bb> after, this i have done bitbake ti-codec-engine, its again failed with same error
  • [08:05:11] <new2bb> Log data follows: | /home/test/OE/angstrom-setup-scripts/build/tmp-angstrom_2008_1/work/beagleboard-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/ti-dsplink-1_1_64-r80h/temp/run.do_prepsources.20260: line 817: /home/test/OE/angstrom-setup-scripts/build/tmp-angstrom_2008_1/sysroots/beagleboard-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/share/ti/ti-xdctools-tree/xdc: No such file or directory
  • [08:05:40] <_koen_> so my launchpad is expected to ship august 16th...
  • [08:06:05] <av500> your own ubuntu bug tracker? cool!
  • [08:07:15] <new2bb> with bitbake ti-xdctools, run successfully, it didn't create xdc folder inside sysroots/beagleboard-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/share/ti/ti-xdctools-tree/xdc
  • [08:07:39] <new2bb> that's why its failed with same error
  • [08:14:15] <new2bb> koen, ti-xdctools, run successfully, after that i run bitbake ti-codec-engine, it faild with same error
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  • [08:28:08] <new2bb> av500, why is this failed even after bitbake ti-xdctools
  • [08:28:13] <new2bb> Log data follows: | /home/test/OE/angstrom-setup-scripts/build/tmp-angstrom_2008_1/work/beagleboard-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/ti-dsplink-1_1_64-r80h/temp/run.do_prepsources.20260: line 817: /home/test/OE/angstrom-setup-scripts/build/tmp-angstrom_2008_1/sysroots/beagleboard-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/share/ti/ti-xdctools-tree/xdc: No such file or directory
  • [08:28:18] * av500 has no idea
  • [08:28:24] * av500 is not oe user
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  • [08:40:34] <screwgoth> Hi, I'm using kernel 2.6.32 on beagleboard using angstrom. I want my webcam to pick the uvcview driver instead of gspca driver. Any help ?
  • [08:43:27] <dm8tbr> does your webcam even support uvc (or vice versa)?
  • [08:57:53] <new2bb> koen, i have explicitly done, bitbake -b ../sources/openembedded/recipes/ti/ti-xdctools_3.16.01.27.bb -f -c clean, and build ,
  • [08:59:03] <new2bb> after that, bitbake ti-codec-engine , failed with same error, can you plz guide me to correct this error
  • [08:59:22] <new2bb> or some link to follow to understand this error
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  • [09:26:25] <screwgoth> dm8tbr: Sorry for the late reply..... was trying out certain things. yes the cam supports uvc. I tried it on my desktop.
  • [09:28:12] <dm8tbr> screwgoth: did you try loading the uvc modules before attaching the webcam?
  • [09:31:22] <screwgoth> hmm.. I did... but I found that uvc module does not create the /dev/video0 device. It does so on my PC.
  • [09:31:55] <screwgoth> In fact I make the device using mknod, but then it spewed errors regarding permission (even after I corrently chmod and chown'd) it
  • [09:32:36] <dm8tbr> did you check if support for your webcam + uvc was enabled in the kernel config?
  • [09:32:40] * dm8tbr is random guessing
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  • [09:39:53] <_koen_> does the webcam even support uvc?
  • [09:40:01] <_koen_> gspca and uvc are different beasts
  • [09:42:43] <dm8tbr> same thought but he claims it does. wwhich surprises me
  • [09:44:04] <_koen_> there are a few "multi driver" cams
  • [09:44:21] <_koen_> but usually it boils down to people not having libv4l install
  • [09:44:35] <_koen_> since the new kernel drivers don't to colourconversion anymore
  • [09:44:39] <mru> libv4l, yuck
  • [09:44:50] * _koen_ agrees with mru
  • [09:45:23] <mru> I agree about not doing conversions in kernel
  • [09:45:33] <mru> but lib4l, oh what an ugly library
  • [09:47:26] <_koen_> I hope it isn't needed in the near future
  • [09:47:34] <_koen_> and that apps can cope with different colourspaces
  • [09:47:47] <_koen_> mru: can omapfbplay read v4l devices?
  • [09:48:26] <mru> in theory, yes
  • [09:48:32] <mru> but it won't work
  • [09:48:55] <mru> it only works with yuv420 and most cams do yuv422
  • [09:49:05] <_koen_> ah
  • [09:49:20] <_koen_> yuv422 wouldn't be a problem :)
  • [09:49:25] <av500> mru: easy, just add ...|ffmpegcolorscpace|...
  • [09:49:38] <_koen_> av500: and ! audioresample
  • [09:49:39] <mru> _koen_: fixing it isn't terribly difficult
  • [09:49:45] <mru> I just need an incentive
  • [09:50:12] <_koen_> peach cobbler?
  • [09:50:20] * dm8tbr throws mru an scoobysnack
  • [09:50:39] <mru> didn't work
  • [09:50:47] <dm8tbr> dammit
  • [09:51:02] * av500 throws mru a beer
  • [09:52:12] <_koen_> I wonder what this 'linux-2.01.something' folder is
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  • [09:52:38] <_koen_> I'm fairly sure it's 2.6.32, but TI likes to stick on arbitrary version to confuse me
  • [09:54:12] <mru> and they're not the only ones
  • [09:55:06] <av500> _koen_: http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/openofficeorg-use-gstreamer-multimedia
  • [09:55:07] <mru> I hate it when they take, say 2.6.24, apply some broken patches, and ship it as $vendor Linux 6.82.56.2383
  • [09:55:17] <av500> will we have DSP accelarated spell checking soon?
  • [09:55:31] <_koen_> blech, OOo
  • [09:56:04] <_koen_> you can't compile it for arm since one of their helper apps segfaults due to EABI alignment rules
  • [09:56:57] <mru> what?
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  • [12:24:30] <dm8tbr> is TI SGX blob/sources still that process with creating account sending emails etc?
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  • [12:24:56] <av500> that, or rapidshare
  • [12:26:25] <dm8tbr> didn't see it on there yet. but my google foo might not be that strong today
  • [12:26:48] <av500> be the 1st to make it happen
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  • [12:27:24] <dm8tbr> I don't think so Tim
  • [12:30:24] <_koen_> dm8tbr: it's self certification now
  • [12:30:33] <_koen_> dm8tbr: and soon(TM) plain old wget
  • [12:30:48] <av500> rapidshare allows wget?
  • [12:30:50] <av500> :)
  • [12:30:55] <dm8tbr> _koen_: have a pointer to an up to date process description maybe?
  • [12:31:27] * dm8tbr only finds descriptions about the original process with registering and sending emails
  • [12:32:34] <_koen_> go to the ti site
  • [12:32:39] <_koen_> follow the instructions
  • [12:32:46] <_koen_> it's not rocket science
  • [12:33:05] <dm8tbr> mkay, I'll search for the right TI page :)
  • [12:33:06] <av500> if it was, there would be export control.....
  • [12:36:57] <dm8tbr> indeed straight forward. the bit of info is "just register and then download"
  • [12:37:36] <dm8tbr> i'm sure them pesky terrorists will find a way to use an XM for missile guidance
  • [12:38:35] <av500> atm, the missile will not hit, due to mem corruption...
  • [12:38:59] <dm8tbr> w1n!
  • [12:39:11] <_troll_> the xm is banned in iran since it corrupts the memory of the youth
  • [12:39:44] <dm8tbr> right, only state propaganda is allowed to do that
  • [12:40:00] <av500> solid state?
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  • [12:40:39] <dm8tbr> I'm sure there is an export restrition on solid state drives!
  • [12:42:20] <_koen_> av500: the pics are a bit purple, was that on purpose?
  • [12:42:32] <av500> XP2
  • [12:42:49] <_koen_> ah
  • [12:42:55] <av500> comes out any shade of black the lab wants it
  • [12:42:59] <_koen_> right
  • [12:43:02] <_koen_> since it's C41
  • [12:43:05] <av500> yup
  • [12:43:45] <av500> but the cam needs a spot meter :)
  • [12:45:35] <_koen_> that reminds me, I still need to scan the barcelona pics made with that cam
  • [12:46:11] <av500> _koen_: next time I'll use this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kodak_Retina
  • [12:46:48] <_koen_> ah, a folder
  • [12:47:00] <_koen_> but you can only see the pics on an iphone4
  • [12:47:17] <av500> yeah, got an Ia for 3???...
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  • [13:13:43] <sakoman> for those native compilation fans: http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/cluster-computing-for-overo-coms--gumstix-launches-a-stagecoach-97845544.html
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  • [13:16:04] <Crofton|work> I want to see MPI ruuning on it
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  • [13:17:36] <av500> sakoman: so, you have a huge order fron canonical?
  • [13:17:41] <_koen_> sakoman: finally!
  • [13:18:04] <sakoman> av500: well, I'm not gumstix, so no :-)
  • [13:18:37] <sakoman> but I suspect canonical is asking for freebies, since that seems to be their style
  • [13:19:04] <av500> what is that huge micrel ic?
  • [13:19:16] <sakoman> ethernet switch
  • [13:19:17] <av500> ah, eth switch
  • [13:19:54] <av500> sakoman: without 7x hdmi out, it is useless :)
  • [13:20:20] <sakoman> ah, so true
  • [13:20:31] <sakoman> perfect for video wall then :-)
  • [13:21:05] <av500> yep
  • [13:21:09] <_troll_> hey sakoman, would it be possible to fit a gumstix board in an expresscard package routing the musb to the expresscard usb interface?
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  • [13:38:00] <syl2078_> hello do you know "Mikrokopter"??
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  • [13:48:59] <av500> jkridner, jkridner1: ping
  • [13:49:22] <Crofton> anyone got a photo of a stagecoach?
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  • [13:49:31] <av500> Crofton: website
  • [13:49:37] <jkridner> av500: pong
  • [13:49:37] <av500> or gg images
  • [13:49:46] <Crofton> which one ,,,
  • [13:49:59] <Crofton> ah
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  • [13:56:30] * _koen_ looks at slashdot's cortex a9 story
  • [13:57:32] <av500> slashdot still exists?
  • [13:58:29] <av500> ...standardization of boot process...
  • [13:58:36] <av500> yeah, that will sell a lot of them....
  • [13:58:56] <av500> look granny, that one has a standard boot process....
  • [13:59:12] <av500> ...and it runs excel? well, uhm, no....
  • [13:59:50] <_koen_> canonical is finding out what we have know for years
  • [14:00:14] <_koen_> but since it's canonical, the world must know that canonical is the first to discover the problem
  • [14:00:23] <_koen_> and give them free hw
  • [14:01:06] <av500> no, they just define the "canonical form" of it :)
  • [14:01:19] <_koen_> heh
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  • [14:26:40] <Crofton> _koen_, what recipe builds a cross sdk?
  • [14:27:22] <_koen_> meta-toolchain
  • [14:28:01] <_koen_> Crofton: have a look at http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/toolchains/
  • [14:28:45] <Crofton> thanks
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  • [14:50:26] <Kmus> Is there a list of USB->Ethernet adapters that work with the beagleboard?
  • [14:51:10] <Redb3ard> Kmus, I got one from Radio Shack... it worked without dicking with it.
  • [14:51:18] <Redb3ard> I doubt you'll find one that doesn't.
  • [14:51:27] <Kmus> cool, hopefully they fairly "universal"
  • [14:51:42] <Kmus> My main use for the beagle is taking audio, compressing it and throwing it out ethernet
  • [14:51:45] <av500> as universal as the universal in USB
  • [14:51:54] <Redb3ard> Hahahaha.
  • [14:51:59] <Redb3ard> Don't joke, av500.
  • [14:52:02] <Kmus> "Fairly" universal then ;)
  • [14:52:23] <av500> if the chipset is supported, it will work
  • [14:52:23] <_koen_> iUniversal?
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  • [14:53:07] <Kmus> Can anyone give me a rough idea of the beagleboard performance? In running Linux what sort of Intel CPU would it be similar to?
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  • [14:53:27] <av500> it waits for user input with 1/10 the speed...
  • [14:54:17] <Redb3ard> It's pretty zippy.
  • [14:54:41] <Kmus> Sweet, I just looking forward to porting my app and seeing how fast she is
  • [14:54:50] <Redb3ard> I wouldn't try to do anything really heavy, but it probably outclasses an old p3 I had until a few years back by quite a margin.
  • [14:55:21] <Kmus> Cool.. thats more than I need :)
  • [14:55:21] <Redb3ard> I think it would be adequate for a low-performance workstation/desktop computer.
  • [14:55:41] <Redb3ard> Well, until the worker started goofing off and wanting to watch Youtube all day.
  • [14:55:42] <Kmus> Still I have a nice task of understanding the whole DSP side, and getting my compression algorithms to work in there
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  • [14:56:04] <Kmus> I won't have any visual interface, just a black box with stripped out linux and a web server (with GWT)
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  • [14:57:20] <Kmus> but I`ve just the small task of learning linux before I do much (given I`ve been in RTOS land for years)
  • [14:57:55] <av500> Kmus: linux will go beyond the BB ....
  • [14:59:38] <Kmus> Yea, its funny that the hardest part of my project is learning linux (or namely how to strip it out to get it lean for embedded use) and remote debugging on linux (aka GDB interactions)
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  • [15:00:29] <Redb3ard> I dunno... 8 gig cards are cheap.
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  • [15:00:43] <Redb3ard> Why bother stripping it out?
  • [15:00:56] <Kmus> because at embedded school they teach you that :(
  • [15:01:00] <Redb3ard> I did practically a full Slackware install, I only left X & KDE off.
  • [15:01:24] <Redb3ard> Dude, I'm not sure it's worth it. Unless your business model is really, really tight.
  • [15:01:48] <Redb3ard> I think 8 gig micro-sd cards were $13 last I checked (what the next-gen BB uses).
  • [15:01:55] <Redb3ard> What's the point?
  • [15:02:26] <Redb3ard> If you spend a month or two learning things well, you might be able to get the linux you want down into the hundreds of megs.
  • [15:02:35] <Redb3ard> All to save 8 bucks?
  • [15:02:44] <screwgoth> I'm not able to make my webcam use uvcview driver instead of the gpsca driver. The webcam uses this driver on my PC, so I know the cam has support. Can anyone help me
  • [15:02:56] <cfriedt1> did somebody on this list say they went to uni at linkoping a long time ago?
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  • [15:03:31] <cwillu_at_work> Redb3ard, 8 bucks across a few thousand units starts to add up :p
  • [15:05:11] <Redb3ard> Is he doing a run that big?
  • [15:05:37] * av500 is
  • [15:06:03] * av500 is debating 80?? all the time...
  • [15:06:05] <Kmus> I want the micro-sd cards to be removable for user-content, so I suspected that getting linux to live in the 128Mb flash was going to be hard
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  • [15:06:18] <Redb3ard> Besides, if it takes him another 6 months before he's ready, prices have fallen even more, and the smaller cards might not be available.
  • [15:06:21] <av500> Kmus: not really
  • [15:06:27] <Kmus> this is all good news :)
  • [15:06:29] <av500> 128MB is HUUUGE
  • [15:06:31] <Redb3ard> 128mb would be very lean.
  • [15:06:43] <Kmus> Yea.. from an embedded side its massive, but I`ve no idea of linux's bloat-factor
  • [15:06:52] <av500> there is no bloat factor
  • [15:07:05] <Kmus> Is Redb3ard saying linux would need to be very lean to get into 128Mb?
  • [15:07:06] <av500> linux is exaclty what you decide to put
  • [15:07:09] <Redb3ard> Not so bad, bloat-wise... as long as you know which libraries you need.
  • [15:07:38] <Kmus> and drivers?
  • [15:07:49] <av500> drivers?
  • [15:07:51] <Redb3ard> Drivers will be less than a meg.
  • [15:07:56] <av500> they sit front left
  • [15:07:56] <Kmus> technically I will know what hardware (ethernet) is going in the box, so I suspect that will be small
  • [15:08:07] <Redb3ard> Unless you're wanting to be able to plug in random USB things and have them work.
  • [15:08:15] <Kmus> God no.. :)
  • [15:08:20] <Redb3ard> Even then, just a few megs.
  • [15:08:21] * prpplague 's normal build is less than 10mb
  • [15:08:31] <av500> same here
  • [15:08:32] <Kmus> Nice!
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  • [15:09:42] <Redb3ard> Are you ever going to shell into the thing, and do random sysadmin stuff?
  • [15:10:16] <Redb3ard> If not, then you need a minimal userland environment on it.
  • [15:10:26] <Redb3ard> Or, really none at all, I guess.
  • [15:10:42] <cwillu_at_work> might as well through a busybox on it though :p
  • [15:10:59] <Kmus> the board will boot directly into user code
  • [15:11:06] <Redb3ard> Trouble is, I don't know what I will need on mine...
  • [15:11:25] <Redb3ard> And once they're out in the middle of nowhere, I have to spend $3 per megabyte uploaded to them.
  • [15:11:39] <Redb3ard> So I'd rather have everything reasonable on them, waiting in case I need it.
  • [15:11:51] <av500> and they do what?
  • [15:12:57] <Kmus> Quick question, if I store linux in the 128Mb flash.. can I easily flash a new version whilst Linux is running?
  • [15:13:23] <av500> no
  • [15:13:47] <Kmus> So how do people do remote upgrades?
  • [15:13:57] <cwillu_at_work> They update the flash while linux is running
  • [15:14:04] <cwillu_at_work> I think av500 is smoking something
  • [15:14:10] <Kmus> So yes?
  • [15:14:57] <jkridner> yes.
  • [15:15:02] <av500> ok, yes
  • [15:15:03] <av500> :)
  • [15:15:13] * cwillu_at_work updates av500 while av500 is running
  • [15:15:14] <Redb3ard> Kmus, you'd shell into it with ssh, wget some binaries, install them.
  • [15:15:27] <Kmus> cwillu_at_work - make sure you apply all the patches :)
  • [15:15:34] <Redb3ard> Then force a reboot (really only if you needed a new kernel, which you probably shouldn't).
  • [15:15:41] <cwillu_at_work> Kmus, hardly, I'm removing security patches so you all can play too
  • [15:15:51] <jkridner> Kmus: do you have a system to play on to simply try some of these things out?
  • [15:15:51] <cwillu_at_work> well, a kexec at least
  • [15:15:58] <Redb3ard> For that reason, you should probably be running sshd on your system.
  • [15:16:17] <Kmus> I`m baord should be with me in the next day or 2, but I`m just spitting out the ideas for now
  • [15:17:05] <Redb3ard> You could get an old system, get linux installed on it. Pretty much everything will work the same when you get your beagleboard.
  • [15:17:12] <Kmus> My current version of this product takes the firmware from a user process (written to RAM) then writes this to flash.. Users don`t want to worry about FTP, Telnet or SSHD.. they want a web interface that says "upload firmware" :S
  • [15:17:37] <Kmus> Redb3ard - one of the major reasons Linux is sounding like the future for my development stuff
  • [15:17:39] <Redb3ard> That'll be fairly easy to do as well.
  • [15:17:52] <Kmus> Does the flash simply appear as memory mapped?
  • [15:18:00] <Redb3ard> You've got some experience writing webapps?
  • [15:18:10] <Kmus> Yea.. Jack of all trades :)
  • [15:18:16] <Kmus> GWT stuff mainly
  • [15:18:27] <Redb3ard> The flash can be mounted, I think. Shows up as a directory on the "hard drive".
  • [15:18:41] <Redb3ard> Though, for a BeagleBoard, that really means the SD card, unless you're doing something fancy.
  • [15:19:02] <Kmus> my system will probably not have a SD card, unless a user wants to add additional audio content
  • [15:19:09] <Kmus> so I have to fit everything into the 128Mb Flash
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  • [15:19:48] <Redb3ard> Pretty sure it will show up as the hard drive, actually. I've never bothered to mount that in my fstab though.
  • [15:20:35] <Kmus> so you guys use the SD card for keeping the linux image? rather than the on chip flash?
  • [15:20:41] <Redb3ard> I do.
  • [15:20:43] <av500> most do
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  • [15:21:03] <Kmus> but this is really just a uBoot thing (i.e. where it pulls linux and the root file system from)?
  • [15:21:06] <dm8tbr> apparently dealing with mtd isn't peoples most favorite
  • [15:21:17] <Redb3ard> 128 megs would be tough for me. I doubt I could get what I need down below about 400 megs, even if I was very careful.
  • [15:21:23] <Kmus> mtd?
  • [15:21:54] <av500> Redb3ard: what do you do?
  • [15:22:03] <Kmus> Given my 'embedded' use, I think I could get away with 128Mb.. I use only about 8mb on true embedded platforms (RTOS)
  • [15:22:20] <Redb3ard> Our company makes agricultural sensor products.
  • [15:22:29] <Kmus> dm8tbr - why would I have to deal with the mtd?
  • [15:22:32] <av500> and that needs 400MB?
  • [15:22:40] <Kmus> pictures of tractors and cows :P
  • [15:22:42] <Redb3ard> They tell you when to irrigate to use the minimum needed water, things like that.
  • [15:22:55] <dm8tbr> Kmus: nand shows up as mtd?
  • [15:23:03] <Kmus> I`ve no idea :S
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  • [15:23:44] <Redb3ard> Ok, here's an example. Each unit has a cell phone modem in it.
  • [15:23:55] <av500> calling tractor 15...
  • [15:24:00] <av500> tractor 15....
  • [15:24:10] <Redb3ard> I have pppd installed, but damned if I can remember how to use it, I've had broadband for 11 years now.
  • [15:24:28] <Redb3ard> Every tutorial I find wants wvchat, a software package.
  • [15:24:38] <Redb3ard> That wanted 3 libraries I'd never heard of.
  • [15:24:59] <Redb3ard> Finally got the cell modem working, but only after about 8 or 9 megs.
  • [15:25:14] <ezuniga> hi, I have just started a project developing with the Beagle XM board, I would like to know what kind (if any) of media storage does it have? I recall that Beagle board has NAND, what about Beagle XM? Thanks
  • [15:25:30] <av500> MMC/SD
  • [15:25:31] <jacekowski> ezuniga: similiar sort of thing
  • [15:25:34] <jkridner> ezuniga: only microSD.
  • [15:25:38] <Redb3ard> Now, if I was going with an intel board, I could just build packages to install, no development environment on it.
  • [15:25:59] <jkridner> ezuniga: the xM has no on-board NAND and only supports microSD, not full size MMC/SD.
  • [15:26:01] <cwillu_at_work> jkridner, xm doesn't have nand anymore?
  • [15:26:01] <Redb3ard> But with the arm board, I develop on it because I'm lazy and don't want to screw with a cross-compiler.
  • [15:26:09] <av500> cwillu_at_work: no
  • [15:26:20] <jkridner> cwillu_at_work: correct. see http://beagleboard.org/hardware-xM
  • [15:26:28] <av500> Redb3ard: fine, but that is suiting your dev needs, not the final product needs
  • [15:26:48] <Kmus> I thought the NAND was package-on-package, above the ARM.. weird they would take it off
  • [15:26:58] <av500> Kmus: you can not put it
  • [15:27:01] <ezuniga> How do I handle the u-boot env settings?
  • [15:27:06] <av500> omg
  • [15:27:16] <av500> save them on the sd
  • [15:27:30] <av500> or compile them in
  • [15:27:47] <ezuniga> duh,makes sense...thanks :P
  • [15:27:55] <Kmus> Redb3ard - I will probably do the same, develop on the board - for the board
  • [15:28:18] <Kmus> Whats the boot time of the board (til the first prompt)
  • [15:28:23] <Redb3ard> I'm also writing alot of the daemon code in perl. Should I spend extra time writing it in C, so I can compile it to binary and not need perl on the final product?
  • [15:28:24] <av500> depends
  • [15:28:34] <av500> Redb3ard: 400MB for pearl?
  • [15:28:48] <av500> and who said you cant write perl on a PC?
  • [15:29:02] <av500> its not like perl/arm is different from perl/x86...
  • [15:29:12] <Redb3ard> Not for it alone.
  • [15:29:18] <jacekowski> perl sucks regardless from platform
  • [15:29:21] <Redb3ard> Lots of little things though.
  • [15:29:23] <jacekowski> regardless of*
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  • [15:49:22] <Kmus> Is there not a problem with linux using the NAND flash (or even SD card) where it will wear out some of the cells? Reading that some chips have about 100k write cycles, and if the root file system is hosted on this won`t alot of writes be occuring in the background as linux does it house keeping tasks?
  • [15:49:39] <Kmus> or is it copied to ram
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  • [15:50:09] <mru> you should use a wear-levelling filesystem
  • [15:50:13] <mru> such as ubifs
  • [15:50:30] <av500> +1
  • [15:50:40] <Kmus> ok, so linux will be writting to the flash in the background? (at random times almost)
  • [15:50:42] <av500> also, large parts of your root are never written to
  • [15:51:00] <av500> and some parts can live in /tmpfs aka ram
  • [15:51:05] <cwillu_at_work> Kmus, wear levelling is a bigger problem on cheap sd cards where you can't control the wear levelling
  • [15:51:10] <av500> so only few parts need constant writing
  • [15:51:24] <mru> cwillu_at_work: but cheap sd cards are cheap to replace when they die
  • [15:51:33] <Kmus> ok, thats one for the to-do list.. most people will be expecting 5+ years of 24/7 from these boxes
  • [15:51:36] <av500> not for deployed units..
  • [15:51:42] <cwillu_at_work> mru, assuming you can predict when they die, and not lose anything vital :p
  • [15:51:56] <mru> or never keep anything vital on them in the first place
  • [15:52:06] <av500> put all in ze cloudz
  • [15:52:16] <Kmus> why use ubifs over jiff2?
  • [15:52:20] <mru> it's better
  • [15:52:21] <cwillu_at_work> mru, I wish I lived in your world where you didn't have to deal with important data :p
  • [15:52:41] <mru> I have important data too, but I don't keep the only copy on an sd card
  • [15:52:58] <av500> mru: you also keep a printout? :)
  • [15:53:32] <cwillu_at_work> Kmus, you can get hold of microsd cards which have decent wear levelling and slc flash in them, but they're not cheap
  • [15:53:37] <mru> yes, in a safe deposit box
  • [15:54:14] <Kmus> My problem is I have to use the NAND for linux and its root file system.. the SD card won`t be present
  • [15:54:24] <Kmus> or it will contain a few MP3's at most
  • [15:54:25] <cwillu_at_work> av500, also, you get better wear levelling if you migrate existing data that's never written to
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  • [15:54:39] <cwillu_at_work> Kmus, you can do far better with raw nand than you can do with an sd card
  • [15:54:42] <av500> Kmus: that is like every android phone out there....
  • [15:54:58] <av500> so you are not the 1st one to do it like that
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  • [15:55:38] <cwillu_at_work> the only reliability improvement sd provides is the ease of replacement when it fails
  • [15:56:04] <Kmus> Good point :P
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  • [16:42:23] <wroberts1> has ti's website taken a shit today?
  • [16:44:04] <mru> I assume it has
  • [16:44:06] <mru> it does most days
  • [16:44:29] <cwillu_at_work> ...healthy websites make a point to do that daily...
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  • [16:48:14] <wroberts1> i gather that the i2c ports on omap35x are not 3.3v tolerant
  • [16:49:06] <prpplague> wroberts1: pretty much all I/O on the OMAP3 and OMAP4 series are driven at 1.8v
  • [16:49:41] <wroberts1> i mean when driven by other chip to omap, where other chip is on 3.3v
  • [16:50:13] <wroberts1> or in the case of i2c: pulled up to 3.3.v
  • [16:50:39] <prpplague> wroberts1: you will need level shifters
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  • [16:51:26] <prpplague> wroberts1: if you are planning to use the beagle with some hardware hacking that requires 3.3v compliant TTL levels, i suggest you get a Trainer board to make things easy
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  • [16:52:41] <cwillu_at_work> ... says the guy who made the trainer? :p
  • [16:53:24] <cwillu_at_work> arguments screens off authority of course, and presumably conflicts of interest too :)
  • [16:53:30] <cwillu_at_work> er, argument
  • [16:54:27] <prpplague> cwillu_at_work: indeed
  • [16:54:30] <wroberts1> oh. i have a mistral omap3evm
  • [16:54:34] <prpplague> wroberts1: i'm biased as i designed the trainer
  • [16:54:45] <prpplague> wroberts1: ahh
  • [16:55:20] <cwillu_at_work> but the bias doesn't matter if he's right
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  • [16:57:36] <prpplague> wroberts1: the trainer still could be used with the omap3evm, but you'd have to wire it in manually
  • [16:57:52] <prpplague> wroberts1: just not so easy compared to using it with the beagle
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  • [17:00:31] <wroberts1> is it this http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard_Trainer
  • [17:00:37] <prpplague> indeed
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  • [17:48:22] <sakoman> prpplague: hmm . . . it seems that the panda kernel might be relying on u-boot/x-load to do some setup for the hdmi framer?
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  • [17:49:12] <sakoman> no image with my u-boot, but it seems to be getting proper sync and clocks!
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  • [17:50:51] <vsm> hello, my internet doesn't seem to work. I have rev c3 running kernel 2.6.32. DNS doesn't seem to be working
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  • [18:07:47] <prpplague> vsm: 1. the "internet" is not the same as "network interface" 2. we need to know what interface you are using, i.e wireless, wired, usb device, usb gadget
  • [18:08:41] <vsm> I'm using a wired usb eth0 connection
  • [18:09:12] <vsm> I'm using the otg port as the host port
  • [18:09:16] <prpplague> vsm: connecting to your host pc via USB or are you using a usb->ethernet
  • [18:09:42] <vsm> usb to ethernet using a trendnet usb to ethernet adapter
  • [18:10:13] <prpplague> vsm: host pc running linux or windows?
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  • [18:10:55] <vsm> windows
  • [18:11:50] <vsm> I'm sorry, It seems like I am directly connected to internet service provider
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  • [18:53:21] <vsm> I'm using rev C3 with Angstrom 2.6.32, and have switched otg port to host mode. Can someone explain why my internet doesn't connect
  • [18:55:02] <koen> the avian carriers were tired
  • [18:55:37] <Jefro> vsm: can you ping the gateway?
  • [18:57:22] <vsm> I can ping, but I can't use nslookup, wget, or traceroute
  • [18:59:28] <Jefro> have you put dns servers into /etc/resolv.conf?
  • [19:00:07] <vsm> I did, and it also seems like they are automatically generated by NetworkManger. I'm not sure what that does.
  • [19:00:21] <Jefro> what happens if you ping the dns servers?
  • [19:00:47] <vsm> it works
  • [19:00:49] <Jefro> (and are they local to you? you might simply be having difficulty getting through your gateway, for which I'd suspect a firewall issue)
  • [19:01:01] <Jefro> but no traceroute? that seems weird
  • [19:01:36] <vsm> Let me rephrase, traceroute gets to the first step, then astricks on the rest of the steps
  • [19:02:29] <Jefro> hm - first step would be your gateway, everything else would need to come back through. does your gateway (dsl router perhaps?) have a firewall?
  • [19:03:22] <vsm> I'm pretty sure no
  • [19:03:49] <Jefro> might be worth checking out. it sounds like bits are not getting outside your LAN.
  • [19:05:57] <vsm> I shall check that out, but I don't have access to the router at this point.
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  • [19:07:25] <Jefro> it is very possible that your BB simply needs to be given access. meanwhile, you can make the BB share your host's network connection by creating a bridge.
  • [19:08:13] <vsm> I'm not connected to the host computer, I have the otg port on host port. So that should mean that BB is the host, I believe
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  • [19:09:41] <Jefro> yes, it does - the BB is a new arbitrary host on your LAN, just as if you had plugged in a new system. But if the router doesn't enable arbitrary machines on the LAN to access the outside world, you're sunk. :)
  • [19:11:02] <Jefro> one way to test it would be to carry the BB to a location with publicly accessible Internet access, maybe a public library? Some of them have places where you can plug in a wire to get access. If that works, then the issue is the router.
  • [19:11:31] <vsm> Are you suggesting that my problem is that I haven't enabled the BB on the router?
  • [19:12:48] <Jefro> I suppose so. Actually, I am suggesting that the router is set to only enable traffic for known systems, not that you neglected anything you should have done.
  • [19:14:08] <Jefro> If the router is not under your control, it doesn't sound like you can do anything about it.
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  • [19:15:23] <vsm> hmmm. I'll have to wait until I get control to try your solutions, but thanks!!
  • [19:15:40] <Jefro> you bet - good luck
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  • [19:18:36] <prpplague> koen: ping
  • [19:22:32] <Crofton|work> prpplague, I believe he is in mouring
  • [19:22:48] <prpplague> Crofton|work: ??
  • [19:22:48] <Crofton|work> mourning, based on some fb/twitter traffic I saw
  • [19:23:03] <Crofton|work> I believe .nl may be in the football final ....
  • [19:23:16] <prpplague> oh
  • [19:23:41] <Redb3ard> lawndartlobotomy
  • [19:23:57] <Redb3ard> Shit. Guess I need to change that password now.
  • [19:24:46] <prpplague> doh
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  • [19:35:14] <djlewis_> Redb3ard: I do that all the time :)
  • [19:35:35] <djlewis_> great way to force me to do a pwd update.
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  • [19:49:47] <koen> prpplague: pong
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  • [19:50:01] <koen> Crofton|work: they won? crap
  • [19:50:12] <prpplague> koen: thoughts on a showdog version that uses that he qi display?
  • [19:50:13] * koen wonders why the ghetto is so quiet
  • [19:50:27] <Crofton|work> koen, not sure
  • [19:50:27] <prpplague> koen: would be expensive, around $375
  • [19:50:33] <koen> prpplague: someone was asking about that earlier
  • [19:50:37] <Crofton|work> I saw some confusing posts on fb
  • [19:50:53] <koen> it would be nice, but as you say, the qi is $275 for the lcd alone
  • [19:51:40] <eFfeM> Redb3ard: if it is your irc pw, most clients can authenticate automatically for you (at least pidgin can and mirc on pc too)
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  • [19:53:05] <koen> prpplague: I'm still interested in a regular showdog :)
  • [19:53:28] * koen curses java
  • [19:54:19] <prpplague> koen: yea still working on the logistics
  • [19:54:30] <prpplague> koen: buying that many lcd's at one time can be costly
  • [19:55:23] <koen> yeah
  • [19:58:16] <emeb> +1 nl
  • [19:58:21] <koen> hmmm, the ghetto is noisy again
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  • [19:58:30] <koen> emeb: did you get your launchpad already?
  • [19:58:41] <koen> emeb: mouser said mine will ship in august
  • [19:58:44] <emeb> koen: not yet
  • [19:58:59] <emeb> haven't even gotten a notice of shipment.
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  • [19:59:13] <emeb> did get a backorder tho
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  • [20:01:19] <emeb> nl++
  • [20:01:39] <emeb> that was fast...
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  • [20:02:57] <prpplague> koen: http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=BLK-OE-A736-R&cat=NBB
  • [20:03:07] <prpplague> koen: i wonder how many of those they have
  • [20:03:20] <prpplague> koen: you could make a retrofit kit to plug a beagle into it
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  • [20:05:03] <emeb> prpplague: that's cute...
  • [20:08:47] * prpplague wonders if TSA would give me trouble with my toughbook retrofited with an OMAP
  • [20:09:39] <emeb> depends on how many loose wires you have protruding from it...
  • [20:10:01] <warflyr> prpplague doubt it
  • [20:10:39] * emeb has gone through security with rats-nest prototypes & no trouble.
  • [20:10:42] <warflyr> prpplague ive gotten through security a few times (carry on luggage) with some overo boards in packaging and in a custom enclosure
  • [20:11:07] <prpplague> interesting
  • [20:11:08] <koen> drat, I broke my java3d install
  • [20:11:24] <koen> prpplague: just show them your original birth certificate
  • [20:11:37] <prpplague> koen: ??
  • [20:11:37] <emeb> the screeners in Dallas seemed pretty familiar with EE stuff
  • [20:11:38] <koen> that will show you're not a terrorist
  • [20:11:46] * koen jokes with prpplague
  • [20:11:50] <prpplague> koen: ahh
  • [20:12:33] * koen is printing this: http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=BLK-OE-A736-R&cat=NBB
  • [20:12:36] <koen> ehm
  • [20:12:39] <koen> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2865
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  • [20:12:55] <koen> I wonder how tsa likes bits of plastic and screws
  • [20:13:16] <prpplague> koen: i'm a trusted traveler - http://www.tsa.gov/approach/rt/index.shtm
  • [20:13:26] <emeb> mmm - cupcakes
  • [20:13:55] <koen> prpplague: I always get in trouble for telling the truth
  • [20:14:01] <prpplague> koen: hehe
  • [20:14:07] <mru> I'm always a little worried someone will take issue with my pile of beagles, but so far nothing has happened
  • [20:14:13] <koen> "is this your laptop?" "No, it isn't"
  • [20:14:23] <koen> "It's property of TI"
  • [20:14:24] <prpplague> koen: yea i always laugh at the movies with the bad guys have bombs, they always have blinking lights and beepers
  • [20:14:43] <prpplague> koen: and they give you trouble for that?
  • [20:15:02] <koen> yes, since everyone lies about that
  • [20:15:42] <warflyr> in bitbake; whats the difference between php and php-native (it appears building php builds php-native package first (which just has different configure options i believe)
  • [20:15:50] <prpplague> koen: interesting
  • [20:15:52] <koen> 10 minutes later I decided lying would be better and that got me thru faster
  • [20:16:07] <emeb> koen: they're not asking the question they mean to ask.
  • [20:16:19] <prpplague> koen: you attending CELF in october?
  • [20:16:21] <koen> prpplague: it's part of the "did you accepts stuff from suspicious people?" playbook
  • [20:16:30] <koen> prpplague: seem likely (celf)
  • [20:16:35] <emeb> the question should be "Is this laptop you're responsibilty?"
  • [20:16:38] <koen> warflyr: php-native runs on your host
  • [20:16:47] <emeb> s/'re/r/
  • [20:17:03] <prpplague> emeb: that would be way too logical for a governmental organization
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  • [20:17:11] <warflyr> koen ah
  • [20:17:12] <jacekowski> koen: hmm, i have to try that trick with a laptop
  • [20:17:39] <koen> and if your spouse packed your suitcase, don't tell the truth about that as well
  • [20:17:54] <emeb> prpplague: yep - brainhurt
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  • [20:18:18] <prpplague> is it just me or has the beagleboard mailing list been very quiet lately?
  • [20:18:23] <emeb> koen: the world depends on pretty lies
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  • [20:18:54] <koen> prpplague: still a dozen mails a day
  • [20:19:16] <emeb> prpplague: check your spam filter. :)
  • [20:19:47] <prpplague> koen: tony signed off on the panda support
  • [20:19:55] <prpplague> koen: should make in the window now
  • [20:20:49] <koen> I saw that
  • [20:20:51] <koen> congrats!
  • [20:21:05] <prpplague> koen: now i have to start making plans for the rest of the board support
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  • [20:21:32] * djlewis_ wonders if the BLK-OE-A736-R netbook would make a good embedded board and if the screen would work on beagleboard....
  • [20:21:53] <prpplague> djlewis_: most likely it would would work
  • [20:22:01] <prpplague> djlewis_: it is either raw signals, or LVDS
  • [20:22:11] <prpplague> djlewis_: either way, you can interface that to the beagle
  • [20:22:40] <koen> hmmm
  • [20:22:44] <koen> explosions
  • [20:22:51] <prpplague> koen: ??
  • [20:23:10] <koen> prpplague: I live in a ghetto and I suspect .nl won the soccer match
  • [20:23:21] <prpplague> hehe
  • [20:23:24] <koen> I'm not calling it fireworks, since it sounds like explosions
  • [20:23:42] <emeb> burning cars?
  • [20:23:53] <koen> it's not france
  • [20:23:57] <emeb> or LA
  • [20:24:04] <cfriedt> or Toronto ?
  • [20:24:10] <djlewis_> is koen a happy camper now?
  • [20:24:29] <djlewis_> yep. .nl won it
  • [20:24:38] <koen> emeb: my coworkers from paris weren't comforted when I said that in berlin they torch a car every other night as well when we went for dinner during linuxtag
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  • [20:24:47] <koen> djlewis_: I hate soccer
  • [20:24:52] <cfriedt> man... i'm not going to be in germany until the 24th... it could be de vs nl
  • [20:24:55] * koen lives next to a soccer stadium
  • [20:25:03] * djlewis_ has two coworkers.boss's that are watching it all day :(
  • [20:25:12] <koen> a few miles from the german border as well
  • [20:25:23] <cfriedt> could be tense!
  • [20:26:07] <emeb> koen: :)
  • [20:26:50] <koen> when I got back from linuxtag I went shopping during a soccer match downtown
  • [20:26:59] <koen> there were *more* germans than in berlin
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  • [20:28:04] <emeb> psychic octopus predicts victory for spain
  • [20:28:29] <koen> it would be funny if .nl wins the cup
  • [20:28:50] <koen> an energy company has been promissing free electricity for a year when that happens
  • [20:28:58] <emeb> oi
  • [20:29:44] <janneg> koen: number of burnt cars in berlin went down this year and alledgedly many are insurance frauds
  • [20:30:26] <janneg> http://www.brennende-autos.de/
  • [20:31:03] <koen> janneg: I got my info from harald welte
  • [20:31:16] <koen> to be fair, only the front half of his car was burnt
  • [20:31:28] <koen> the gsm base station in the trunk was still ok
  • [20:31:41] <cfriedt> janneg: I had no idea that it was a national pasttime
  • [20:31:53] <janneg> but his car was only colleteral damage
  • [20:31:53] <cfriedt> s/pasttime/passtime
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  • [20:33:10] <koen> janneg: yeah, don't park next to a porsche
  • [20:34:08] <janneg> koen: porsche is not in the top five on http://www.brennende-autos.de/
  • [20:34:56] <janneg> but I guess it would in relation to the number of cars
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  • [20:47:38] <vsm> I suspect that it is a problem with the DNS. Can someone tell me how to configure it properly?
  • [20:48:00] <koen> your dhcp server should be giving your the right config
  • [20:48:10] <djlewis_> vsm: you said your network manager is over writing your resolv.conf
  • [20:48:19] <vsm> yes
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  • [20:52:36] <vsm> ping works, but wget, nslookup don't. traceroute doesn't seem to get past the first step
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  • [20:54:28] <djlewis_> ping by name or ip or both?
  • [20:54:36] <vsm> both
  • [20:54:55] <djlewis_> my isp blocks traceroute
  • [20:55:10] <warflyr> vsm, what can you ping?
  • [20:55:23] <djlewis_> Oh heck, it might be my firewalls. I forget.
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  • [20:55:27] <warflyr> [14:57] * Dns resolved google.com to 74.125.227.20
  • [20:55:34] <warflyr> try pinging that IP
  • [20:55:50] <vsm> I know that pinging ip works, google.com works as well
  • [20:56:07] <warflyr> but wget doesnt... what about ftp or ssh?
  • [20:57:04] <warflyr> try to telnet google.com on port 80
  • [20:57:23] <warflyr> type GET then press enter
  • [20:57:25] <vsm> Tried that, but seems like there is no ftp program
  • [20:58:00] <warflyr> you get database when you telnet 80 and GET?
  • [20:58:05] <warflyr> err, *get data back
  • [20:58:06] <Redb3ard> I don't believe this to be a Beagle-specific question... but on the other hand, you have the opportunity to make me look like a fool if you hear it: if I've fsck'd the damned sd card, and it comes up clean, then why the hell does it insist that there's an error every time I boot it, and only let's me have single user, read-only mode.
  • [20:58:48] <warflyr> Redb3ard in your fstab, make sure the last two numbers are: 0 1
  • [20:59:15] <Redb3ard> q
  • [20:59:21] <vsm> warflyr, how did you telnet port 80
  • [20:59:30] <warflyr> $ telnet google.com 80
  • [21:00:36] <vsm> It's not returning anything
  • [21:00:39] <vsm> no prompt
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  • [21:02:00] <Crofton> koen, yep CNN confirms .nl is in the final
  • [21:02:24] <_av500_> Crofton: tool them 30 minutes?
  • [21:02:27] <_av500_> took
  • [21:02:37] <Redb3ard> Thanks, war. Looks like it checks out though.
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  • [21:02:43] <warflyr> vsm, you see: Trying 74.125.45.103...
  • [21:02:43] <warflyr> ?
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  • [21:02:56] <warflyr> then it should say something like: Connected to google.com.
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  • [21:03:24] <Redb3ard> I've also got the fat partition mounted in fstab, that couldn't screw it up, could it?
  • [21:03:35] <vsm> warflyr, no, not getting anything
  • [21:03:52] <warflyr> Redb3ard, just have noauto in the options for the FAT partition
  • [21:04:12] <Redb3ard> I don't know what I'm screwing up here.
  • [21:04:41] <warflyr> vsm, can you ping 8.8.8.8?
  • [21:05:07] <vsm> yes
  • [21:05:23] <warflyr> $ echo "nameserver 8.8.8.8" > /etc/resolv.conf
  • [21:05:30] <warflyr> then try to telnet google.com 80 again
  • [21:05:31] <Redb3ard> I'm using the Angstrom kernel. It has support for ext3, so I should be good.
  • [21:06:18] <warflyr> Redb3ard, put the sdcard in a dev machine, mount, remount readonly, unmount, boot the beagle to see if you get that error
  • [21:07:11] <vsm> no change in output
  • [21:07:40] <warflyr> vsm, type $ route
  • [21:08:12] <warflyr> is the Gateway to the right of default your router ip address?
  • [21:08:51] <Redb3ard> Hah.
  • [21:09:04] <Redb3ard> I spelled mmcblk0p2 wrong.
  • [21:09:14] <warflyr> Redb3ard ahh that would explain it ;)
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  • [21:10:12] <Redb3ard> I feel like a tard. That's not something that should take me hours to get right.
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  • [21:10:26] <vsm> warflyr, yes it is
  • [21:10:57] <Redb3ard> Now if I could just figure out why half the USB devices that work fine on an intel machine crap out on this.
  • [21:11:21] <Redb3ard> I'm kind of scared there, basically if it needs something out of /lib/firmware, it screws up.
  • [21:12:03] <koen> Crofton: so how many of those ettus approved stagecoaches do you have at home?
  • [21:12:07] <warflyr> vsm, i think your firewall is blocking something
  • [21:12:24] <Crofton> none
  • [21:12:28] <warflyr> vsm, to be sure, you can try: $ sudo iptables -L
  • [21:12:58] <warflyr> vsm, its possible there are some preconfigured iptables rules that are causing this issue; but i highly doubt it
  • [21:13:15] <vsm> ok, give me a sec to check it out
  • [21:14:20] <vsm> [ 69.904815] ip_tables: (C) 2000-2006 Netfilter Core Team Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination
  • [21:15:23] <vsm> In short, everything looks like it is accepting
  • [21:15:52] <warflyr> hmm
  • [21:16:18] <warflyr> most have something to do with your firewall...
  • [21:16:28] <vsm> I have no firewall
  • [21:16:51] <warflyr> how is it connected?
  • [21:17:12] <warflyr> by firewall i suppose i mean router in most cases
  • [21:17:32] <vsm> I connected with a trendnet usb connector with a powered hub using the otg port as host
  • [21:18:27] <warflyr> ah
  • [21:18:37] <warflyr> wired or wireless?
  • [21:18:40] <vsm> wired
  • [21:19:10] <warflyr> hm
  • [21:19:28] <warflyr> anything weird showing up in $ dmesg ?
  • [21:20:16] <vsm> If you mean errors, then not that I can see
  • [21:21:17] <warflyr> rgr
  • [21:21:33] <vsm> ??
  • [21:21:59] <warflyr> im not exactly sure since it appears youre getting traffic ( the usb card is functional)
  • [21:23:49] <vsm> Okay, I'll try to test out with a different router and see if that does anything
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  • [21:23:56] <vsm> But thanks so much for your time!!!!
  • [21:23:57] <warflyr> yeah, thats your best bet
  • [21:24:01] <warflyr> yeah, good luck
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  • [22:56:33] <ora> whats the biggest sd card bb c4 accepts?
  • [22:56:54] <ora> Thanks
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  • [22:58:12] <djlewis_> zoom, its a plane, its a frog, No, its ... its ...
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  • [23:01:07] <Ira> How big a SD card can I buy to connect to c4 BB?
  • [23:02:37] <Ira> will it take 8GB>?
  • [23:03:20] <rcn-ee> yes, it supports SDHC.. the biggest issue with the cheap big SD cards is that a lot of them are slow...
  • [23:03:46] <Ira> Thanks
  • [23:04:17] <djlewis_> rcn-ee: i heard the record slow down when you emphasised slow...
  • [23:04:55] <ds> what is the purpose of "Only cachepolicy=writeback supported on ARMv6 and later\n"? Is that a Linux limitation or ARM v7?
  • [23:05:06] <rcn-ee> then it worked.. ;) i was trying to be nice by saying 'slow'.. ;)
  • [23:05:09] <Ira> Linux or angstrom
  • [23:05:16] <mru> ds: where did you read that?
  • [23:05:44] <Ira> Would there be any difference between slow 4GB and slow 8GB say regular sandisk?
  • [23:06:19] <rcn-ee> Look at the Class ratings.. (Class 6 is faster then Class 2)
  • [23:06:42] <Ira> on package of SD>?
  • [23:07:07] <ds> mru: arch/arm/mm/mmu.c
  • [23:07:10] <rcn-ee> on the actual package not likely, look at the box or where you ordered it from..
  • [23:07:55] <rcn-ee> or ignore flash, and stick a nice hardrive on usb-sata.. ;)
  • [23:08:21] <Ira> Thanks
  • [23:09:03] <Ira> But if I go to wallyworld and buy a regular 4gb or 8gb Sandisk SD it should work?
  • [23:09:52] <rcn-ee> it should, i've had good luck with sandisk..
  • [23:10:14] <Ira> http://www.walmart.com/ip/SanDisk-8GB-SDHC-Memory-Card/10660682 for example
  • [23:11:14] <rcn-ee> "Class 2 speed performance rating" your not going to like it.. unless you don't move data around...
  • [23:11:28] <Ira> thanks
  • [23:12:07] <rcn-ee> Ira, table for reference http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital#Speed_Class_Rating
  • [23:13:06] <Ira> Thanks
  • [23:13:34] <Ira> for 20 bucks and I can buy tonight may be goiod enough much thanks for your help
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  • [23:15:37] <Ira> Thank You Robert
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  • [23:17:32] * djlewis_ needs to order more SD's form NewEgg
  • [23:20:09] * rcn-ee needs to stock up on micro-sd's before the big rush..
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  • [23:23:12] <djlewis_> yep
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