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  • [00:12:04] <steveh> Hi Everyone, I'm attempting to put Debian on my beagle. I followed Aur??lien Jarno's tutorial but am getting stuck at the screen about no kernel being found. My screen is different and doesn't allow me to continue. My only options are Retry, Select New mirror or cancel. Any help is appreciated!
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  • [00:22:54] <rcn-ee> steveh, http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian
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  • [00:33:58] <steveh> thanks rcn-ee! I will try that. I was able to download Jarno's image for Lenny and got it booted on QEMU no problem. It would be nice if there was a nice simple tutorial explaining X-loader, U-boot etc. Its a little overwhelming for newbies like myself!
  • [00:34:54] <rcn-ee> X-loader and U-boot are easy, leave X-loader alone.. (there's only ever been 2 versions on beagles) and use the latest u-boot...
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  • [00:46:15] <steveh> Robert, have you used QEMU to develop an image and then put it on an SD card? Just wondering if I have to convert the QEMU image before I can save it to SD.
  • [00:48:13] <mru> why do battle with qemu?
  • [00:48:19] <mru> there's no need to involve that
  • [00:48:47] <rcn-ee> steveh, well at one time i used qemu to build a rootfs, but i forced it to use the sd card vs a local qemu image... I've since removed the guide, but the bit-rotten version si here: http://elinux.org/index.php?title=BeagleBoardDebian&oldid=16919
  • [00:49:12] <thurbad> I tried qemu before I received the hardware.. more hassle than it was worth.. and things didn't work quite the same on the real hardware
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  • [00:53:44] <steveh> thanks guys, I will take your advice and learn by your past efforts!
  • [00:54:30] <tdh2002> hi everyone
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  • [00:56:22] <djlewis1> hi tdh2002
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  • [01:06:30] <tdh2002> some know happy farm?
  • [01:06:39] <tdh2002> someone know happy farm?
  • [01:09:42] <DanaG> https://www-a.ti.com/extranet/cm/product/wtbugaming/wtbuext/general/homepage.shtml -- argh, when I go there and log in, it gives me a zero-byte empty page.
  • [01:11:09] <DanaG> http://tiexpressdsp.com/index.php/GSG:_OMAP35x_Graphics_SDK_Overview -- ah, but that seems to work.
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  • [01:31:05] <javaJake> http://beagleboard.org/ looks sad
  • [01:32:12] <mru> looks like it always has
  • [01:32:21] <djlewis1> hi javaJake, long time, so what is sad about it?
  • [01:32:22] <mru> a bit chaotic imho
  • [01:32:44] <javaJake> djlewis1: the banner wth the price is shy :P
  • [01:32:53] <javaJake> It's off to the right
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  • [01:34:03] <mru> I don't see anything obviously wrong with it
  • [01:34:08] <mru> what browser are you using?
  • [01:34:48] <arathald> im using ff, and i see the problem here
  • [01:35:01] <djlewis1> I am using FF and I dont
  • [01:35:18] <djlewis1> v3.6
  • [01:35:42] <arathald> i may be using an old version, my hd crashed las night, and I just reloaded ubuntu 9.04, havent done upgrades yet
  • [01:35:46] <arathald> let me check the version
  • [01:35:59] <javaJake> 3.5.8 here
  • [01:36:02] <arathald> 3.0.8
  • [01:36:06] <arathald> really old...
  • [01:36:17] <DanaG> oh yeah, so now that I have the TI SDK... how do I build my own opengl stuff to run?
  • [01:36:23] <javaJake> If I had to guess.. I'd say the banner isn't clearing the links at the top
  • [01:37:00] * djlewis1 is using his windoze laptop at the moment
  • [01:37:12] <arathald> javaJake: yeah, that would explain that pretty well
  • [01:37:25] <arathald> in fact... yeah, it overlaps them vertically
  • [01:37:28] <mru> looks fine on android browser too
  • [01:37:29] <javaJake> div#promo {white-space:nowrap; padding-bottom:10px;} <-- betcha that could use a clear
  • [01:37:58] <javaJake> I don't have Firebug enabled atm... someone here want to confirm for me? :P
  • [01:37:59] <mru> ah, increasing the font size breaks it badly
  • [01:38:30] * javaJake gets off his lazy chair and sits in his fine-I'll-do-it chair ;)
  • [01:38:48] <mru> yep, adding a clear fixes it
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  • [01:38:50] <djlewis1> now that U point it out, I do see a thin white border after the banner
  • [01:39:19] <javaJake> Yessirree! A "clear:both" fixes it
  • [01:39:25] <arathald> my fine-I'll-do-it-chair has a pile of books on it atm
  • [01:39:25] <javaJake> Where do I file a website bug? :P
  • [01:39:44] * javaJake pokes around
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  • [01:39:57] <javaJake> Oh, wait, isn't jkridner managing the website?
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  • [01:41:13] <javaJake> Aha
  • [01:41:22] <javaJake> And the Twitter icon is not next to the search box like it should be
  • [01:41:51] <javaJake> #nav2's margin:0 0 0 450px;
  • [01:42:01] <mru> wtf
  • [01:42:13] <djlewis1> can you say PMS
  • [01:42:23] <javaJake> needs to lower the margin-left
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  • [01:42:25] <javaJake> djlewis1: PMS?
  • [01:42:32] <javaJake> Package Manager Specification? :P
  • [01:42:37] <djlewis1> hehee
  • [01:43:08] <javaJake> Well, when the Twitter icon wraps down it messes up pages like http://beagleboard.org/support
  • [01:43:18] <javaJake> There's a big gap between the white header and the grey body
  • [01:43:33] * djlewis1 does not do twitter or facebook.
  • [01:44:50] <djlewis1> javaJake: as it is a volunteer kept site perhaps you might volunteer to help :)
  • [01:45:02] <javaJake> How?
  • [01:45:14] <djlewis1> hmm, you mentioned jkridner
  • [01:45:19] <javaJake> Plus, I can't sign up for anything permanent. I have other responsibilities. This I just noticed and poked around for five seconds :P
  • [01:45:23] <djlewis1> I dont know who maintains it
  • [01:45:45] <javaJake> jkridner maintains /support, so he might know someone who maintains / :)
  • [01:46:02] <javaJake> Or, more specifically, /static/common.css
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  • [01:58:07] <ds2> rcn-ee: are the images you are building that gets posted there GPL'ed?
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  • [02:03:04] <cweagans> I can't seem to find a mouse or keyboard that works with the BeagleBoard. Any suggestions (or am I just doin' it wrong?)
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  • [02:04:33] * djlewis1 is using a ps2 keyboard and mouse with his ..
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  • [02:05:33] <djlewis1> along with a two port ps2 to usb adapter cable. I have used straight usb kybd and mouse without probs.
  • [02:06:08] <djlewis1> cweagans: you are using a sepf powered USB 2.0 hub?
  • [02:06:27] <djlewis1> s sepf/self
  • [02:06:34] <cweagans> no. the host port on the board can't power the device?
  • [02:07:11] <djlewis1> you must use a self powered USB 2.0 hub as Beagle ports cant talk USB1.0
  • [02:08:56] <cweagans> huh. alright
  • [02:09:33] <djlewis1> cweagans: some low powered usb 2.0 devices will work on the Beagle directly but not kybd or mouse
  • [02:10:07] <cweagans> alright, that makes sense, I guess
  • [02:10:58] <cweagans> on another power-related topic, I have a wall adaptor that puts out 650ma at 5vdc in a USB plug. When I power the beagleboard using that power source, it will not boot from the SD card and just throws the uboot startup message across serial a bunch of times. any idea why that is?
  • [02:11:58] <djlewis1> could be more pins in the usb cable than just gnd and +5 ?
  • [02:12:30] <cweagans> well, yeah, but the gnd and +5 are the only ones that have anything on them.
  • [02:13:13] <cweagans> I've opened up the power supply and it's literally just a cheap transformer, a bridge rectifier, and a couple capacitors to smooth out the current.
  • [02:13:14] <djlewis1> I have powered my revC3 with both the OTG port and the DC jack and no prob.
  • [02:13:29] <djlewis1> that is not a regulated supply then
  • [02:13:44] <cweagans> oh, is that the problem?
  • [02:13:57] <cweagans> I could stick a 5 volt regulator in there...
  • [02:14:08] <djlewis1> have you measured its output? and yes it could be placing noise on the DC bus
  • [02:14:23] <cweagans> yeah, it's a pretty consistent 5VDC.
  • [02:14:34] <djlewis1> amazing for non-regulated
  • [02:14:34] <cweagans> but a meter wouldn't show the noise
  • [02:14:53] <cweagans> we have a pretty sick AC power conditioner here =P
  • [02:15:06] <cweagans> it's exactly 116VAC all the time :)
  • [02:15:25] <djlewis1> Iuse a spare USB power brick with a BB matching barrel plug.
  • [02:15:27] <DanaG> is that RMS, or peak-to-peak?
  • [02:15:57] <cweagans> djlewis1: oh, good idea. didn't even think of that =P
  • [02:16:00] <cweagans> DanaG: was that @ me?
  • [02:16:31] <djlewis1> cweagans: check the polarity, +5 is center hole(pin)
  • [02:16:37] <cweagans> kk
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  • [02:17:39] <ds2> DanaG: 116VAC peak to peak would be uh...low?
  • [02:18:39] <djlewis1> what? around 75vRMS?
  • [02:19:05] <ds2> IIRC, 116/sqrt(2) I think
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  • [02:20:25] <djlewis1> ds2: so, to use the "trainer" would require a ISP programmer just to load the bootloader which if one has the ISP then the boot loader is not needed..
  • [02:20:48] <ds2> djlewis: uh...okay
  • [02:20:50] <djlewis1> well specifically,to use the atmega 328
  • [02:21:10] <ds2> I'd recommend using other processors besides the atmel stuff
  • [02:21:19] <djlewis1> ds2: didnt you test one?
  • [02:21:23] <ds2> nope
  • [02:21:28] <djlewis1> hmmm
  • [02:21:33] <ds2> never seen one
  • [02:21:57] <djlewis1> I thought you were an official TC testor :)
  • [02:22:14] <ds2> the only TCT stuff I have is their very nice flyswatter
  • [02:22:22] <ds2> I design all my other stuff
  • [02:22:39] <ds2> IMO, a MSP430 would make a nicer companion then the Atmel's
  • [02:22:50] <DanaG> I believe 120V is RMS, actually.
  • [02:23:01] <djlewis1> I like the TCT Trainer but having to grab a ISP programmer is not to my liking.
  • [02:23:16] <ds2> djlewis1: what are you trying to accomplish?
  • [02:23:50] <djlewis1> ds2: I dont really wont to put the effort into my own design for a one time use.
  • [02:24:16] <ds2> djlewis: there are very nice and cheap MSP430 boards that you can wire up directly to the BB
  • [02:24:22] <djlewis1> ds2: the Trainer gets all the BB header pins out in the open and buffers them if needed.
  • [02:24:38] <ds2> djlewis1: why buffer if your processor can natively speak 1.8V?
  • [02:25:03] <djlewis1> ds2: my other peripherials cant speak 1.8
  • [02:25:26] <ds2> djlewis1: hmm
  • [02:25:39] <ds2> what kind of peripherals?
  • [02:26:21] <djlewis1> IR and Sonar, serial, GPIO for TTL
  • [02:26:45] <djlewis1> servo's and motors
  • [02:26:53] <ds2> what's on the GPIO? or do you really mean TTL as in 74xx logic?
  • [02:27:01] <djlewis1> yep
  • [02:27:09] <djlewis1> GPIO to TTL
  • [02:27:10] <ds2> Hmmmm
  • [02:27:16] <djlewis1> and viceversa
  • [02:27:36] <ds2> I see... seems trivial enough to build it all up on 0.1" pitched perf board
  • [02:28:21] <djlewis1> except that the time spent, orders + s/h, assembly etc would out price the Trainer
  • [02:29:19] <ds2> ratshack parts
  • [02:29:52] <djlewis1> He hee har, HARR, LOL, rofl...
  • [02:30:09] <ds2> their perf boards are quite usable! and so are their plastic cases
  • [02:30:17] <djlewis1> it is getting far more difficult to find a ratshack that still handles much in parts
  • [02:30:17] * DanaG wonders... if GMA500 is a PowerVR... then would the TI PowerVR thingy work with it?
  • [02:30:39] <ds2> DanaG: are there open drivers for the GMA500?
  • [02:31:08] <DanaG> no, I believe there are only closed drivers.
  • [02:31:14] <cweagans> I can't get to a uboot prompt and I have no idea how to even start troubleshooting this. Can somebody give me a nudge in the right direction?
  • [02:31:15] <DanaG> oR at least, half-open half-closed.
  • [02:31:39] <ds2> I suspect the GMA500 drivers is probally the same as the OMAP drivers but compiled for x86
  • [02:31:51] <djlewis1> cweagans: you are getting some message from the BB?
  • [02:31:53] <ds2> but I donno for sure unless someone will donate a GMA500 atom board ;)
  • [02:32:00] <cweagans> djlewis1: nothing over serial
  • [02:32:22] <djlewis1> cweagans: start with debugging your serial interface then
  • [02:32:40] <cweagans> djlewis1: but in this same configuration, if I plug the board into that wall adaptor that I told you about, it give the uboot startup message thing
  • [02:32:46] <djlewis1> cweagans: a stock BB will offer a prompt without a SD card
  • [02:33:16] <cweagans> djlewis1: that's what I thought..but it's not..
  • [02:33:17] <cweagans> =/
  • [02:33:27] <ds2> cweagans: any of the LEDs are on?
  • [02:33:40] <cweagans> ds2: all three are on
  • [02:33:44] <cweagans> er, four
  • [02:34:02] <ds2> cweagans: and they have all never gone off since you powered it up?
  • [02:34:22] <cweagans> sonofa....nvm...I got it
  • [02:34:52] <DanaG> hmm, so how would I take a glut app and build it to work with the sgx?
  • [02:34:52] <cweagans> my USB to DB-9 adaptor has some DIP switches on the top that were switched for a different project =/
  • [02:35:15] <djlewis1> oh, the debug your interface part ;)
  • [02:35:38] <cweagans> djlewis1: heh, yeah that
  • [02:35:55] <DanaG> cweagans: I've seen the boot loop issue when I had stuff plugged into USB host port, and BB powered only through host-usb.
  • [02:36:06] <DanaG> The fix was to plug in the barrel connector (AC adapter).
  • [02:36:13] <djlewis1> good, I'm glad yo ucan roll further along.
  • [02:36:22] <cweagans> DanaG: oh, awesome. That's helpful. Thanks!
  • [02:38:20] <cweagans> also, what's a good serial terminal to be using?
  • [02:38:35] <cweagans> I've tried minicom and cutecom, but neither of them seem to be very...um...good.
  • [02:38:41] * DanaG just uses screen.
  • [02:38:54] * djlewis1 uses gtkterm on Ubuntu
  • [02:39:03] <DanaG> As long as you don't need the fancy file-transfer stuff, you can just "screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200" (or such)
  • [02:39:22] <djlewis1> buit it has issues with simple console like top
  • [02:39:37] <djlewis1> gtkterm that is
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  • [02:47:11] <cweagans> lol, computer rebooted
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  • [03:05:07] <GrizzlyAdams> does the sdcard slot use spi bus mode, or sd/mmc multi-wire mode?
  • [03:05:44] <djlewis1> schematic shows it using data lines
  • [03:07:00] <djlewis1> so I opt for the latter
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  • [03:12:45] <cweagans> okay, so I'm receiving data using minicom, but it's not allowing me to send data from the keyboard
  • [03:12:50] <cweagans> any idea why this would happen?
  • [03:13:43] <djlewis1> cweagans: generally it is not wired correctly
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  • [03:14:31] <cweagans> djlewis1: okay. I only need the xmit and rcv pins, right?
  • [03:14:46] <cweagans> xmit wired to rcv, and rcv wired to xmit
  • [03:14:47] <cweagans> ?
  • [03:15:05] <djlewis1> cweagans: correct and gnd
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  • [03:15:26] <cweagans> gnd has to be wired too?
  • [03:15:39] <cweagans> oh duh
  • [03:15:40] <cweagans> ok
  • [03:15:40] <djlewis1> cweagans: tx, rx, gnd
  • [03:15:51] <cweagans> makes sense
  • [03:16:06] <cweagans> that whole 'having a complete circuit' thing would be kind of important >.<
  • [03:16:18] * djlewis1 is surprised you recieve data on console without gnd
  • [03:16:28] * cweagans too
  • [03:17:00] <djlewis1> cweagans: maybe you had your rx of bb on gnd of bb
  • [03:17:21] <djlewis1> i dunno
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  • [03:21:55] <cweagans> going home...bbbl
  • [03:21:57] <cweagans> bbl*
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  • [03:38:25] <GrizzlyAdams> anyone know of some cheap i2c interface codec / dac / adc chips? i'm looking for a cheap way to build a 16 channel analog / digital mixer board
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  • [04:03:02] <DanaG> hmm, weird, this thing never gives me any events: /dev/input/by-path/platform-i2c_omap.1-platform-twl4030_pwrbutton-event
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  • [04:19:55] <djlewis1> argh! darn c#
  • [04:20:51] <djlewis1> gn
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  • [04:27:24] <ds2> hmmm
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  • [04:39:45] <dave> hi
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  • [04:45:47] <DanaG> argh, 2 gig SD card... not big enough for Ubuntu and the SGX SDK.
  • [04:47:43] <thurbad> ouch, that sucks
  • [04:47:54] <DanaG> yeah, I'll have to get myself a bigger SD card.
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  • [04:48:06] <thurbad> how much slower than a hard drive are these SD card anyway?
  • [04:48:27] <DanaG> Depends on the SD card, partly.
  • [04:48:31] <DanaG> And the reader.
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  • [04:51:14] <thurbad> it's so bad that it actually takes less time to load a png from SD decode it and convert it to a 24 bit surface, than it takes to load a native 24bit, uncompressed surface
  • [04:51:49] <thurbad> that seems non-intuitive (at least to me)
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  • [05:13:48] <Guest83965> hi
  • [05:14:09] <thurbad> hello
  • [05:14:46] <tdh2002> hi
  • [05:14:53] <Guest83965> has anyone here had a problem with the nand ?
  • [05:15:22] <thurbad> not that I know of
  • [05:15:42] <Guest83965> hmmm
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  • [05:16:04] <thurbad> what's the problem?
  • [05:16:42] <Guest83965> i get a repeating x-loader in the terminal
  • [05:17:10] <DanaG> hmm, do you have a USB hub on the USB host port... and have the thing powered only by the mini-USB port?
  • [05:17:29] <DanaG> If so, it's probably an issue of "not enough power" -- you may need to power either the hub, or the board, through a separate power adapter.
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  • [05:18:06] <Guest83965> no i have one to a hub and the one powering the board goes to its own port on my laptop
  • [05:18:35] <thurbad> powered or unpowered hub?
  • [05:18:47] <Guest83965> powered
  • [05:18:57] <Praveen_> hello all. . . When I boot up BB it gets stuck at mmcblk0 p1 p2 for a long time ( this is the first time boot ) Is it normal ?
  • [05:19:08] <Praveen_> like for 20 mins now
  • [05:19:22] <siji> Praveen_, Something is wrong :)
  • [05:20:00] <Praveen_> thanks siji. . . I am using C4 board will it be due to that ?
  • [05:20:04] <siji> May having some prblm with ur SD card
  • [05:20:07] <siji> no not at all
  • [05:20:27] <Praveen_> okay shall redo the SD formatting one more time
  • [05:20:34] <Praveen_> thanks for your help. . . appreciated
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  • [05:22:16] <DanaG> hmm, try without the hub connected at all?
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  • [05:22:50] * DanaG really wishes somebody would make an ARM thingy that could run compiz.
  • [05:22:58] <Guest83965> yeah ive tryed with just a single line to the board and one to the serial cable
  • [05:23:06] <DanaG> Weird.
  • [05:23:11] <Guest83965> yeah
  • [05:23:20] <DanaG> Does it go past x-loader to u-boot?
  • [05:23:26] <Guest83965> yeah
  • [05:23:38] <Guest83965> only when i hold the user buttion
  • [05:23:49] <DanaG> Weird... I wonder if the u-boot in NAND is corrupt.
  • [05:24:22] <Guest83965> ah
  • [05:24:24] <Guest83965> ok
  • [05:24:26] <thurbad> hav you flashed anything into the nand yet?
  • [05:24:38] <DanaG> anyway, google for "beagleboardrecovery"
  • [05:24:59] <DanaG> or try going laptop -> usb hub (powered) -> beagleboard if it really is a power issue.
  • [05:25:26] <Guest83965> yeah ive gone through trying to recover the board and nothing seems to work
  • [05:25:32] <thurbad> could be bootargs.. I've made one board temporarily unbootable that way ~.~
  • [05:25:56] <Guest83965> ouch
  • [05:26:13] <Guest83965> what would i have to change then if you know
  • [05:27:35] <tdh2002> Guest83965:where are you from?
  • [05:28:16] <Guest83965> <tdh2002> hi
  • [05:28:31] <Guest83965> how does one talk to another privatly
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  • [05:31:04] <JB_> Hi there
  • [05:31:12] <JB_> I really would appreciate some help
  • [05:31:21] <siji> pls proceed
  • [05:31:24] <Guest83965> ok
  • [05:31:28] <JB_> we are trying to get our hands on a beagleboard
  • [05:31:32] <JB_> for a training we are doing
  • [05:31:46] <JB_> we have not succeeded finding a place to order
  • [05:31:54] <JB_> does anyone have a suggestion?
  • [05:32:00] <siji> where are you from?
  • [05:32:03] <JB_> because they seem out of stock
  • [05:32:05] <JB_> The Netherlands
  • [05:32:13] <siji> oh ok
  • [05:32:40] <tdh2002> siji:where are you from?
  • [05:32:41] <siji> Then I think you should order frm digikey i think
  • [05:32:49] <Guest83965> yeah
  • [05:32:51] <siji> India
  • [05:32:55] <JB_> digikey out of stock
  • [05:33:14] <JB_> shipment to India is also good
  • [05:33:18] <tdh2002> siji: your neme (siji) means what?
  • [05:33:29] <thurbad> digikey is almost always out of stock or on the verge :/
  • [05:33:30] <JB_> anyone can help?
  • [05:33:35] <siji> In India I used to order from IDA system
  • [05:33:41] <JB_> does anyone have a beagleboard?
  • [05:34:04] <Guest83965> i would just keep looking
  • [05:34:07] <tdh2002> our company have one
  • [05:34:12] <Guest83965> yeah
  • [05:34:17] <siji> <tdh2002>,NO idea
  • [05:34:31] <siji> Am asking the same questions to my parents for long time ;)
  • [05:34:31] <thurbad> you can look around for clones too
  • [05:34:51] <JB_> where should I look?
  • [05:34:52] <JB_> please
  • [05:34:56] <tdh2002> siji: Your real name is siji ??
  • [05:35:20] <DanaG> hmm,. also check out "sheevaplug" and such.
  • [05:35:25] <DanaG> or "openrd".
  • [05:35:38] <siji> http://www.idasystems.net/ u can give a try
  • [05:35:41] <DanaG> It's Marvell-based -- not sure what video capabilities the ones with VGA have.
  • [05:35:52] <siji> <tdh2002>,Siji Sunny
  • [05:36:02] <tdh2002> http://www.embedinfo.com/en/index-en.html
  • [05:36:56] <JB_> thanks
  • [05:36:59] <JB_> but is anyone
  • [05:37:12] <JB_> interested in selling their beagleboard to me?
  • [05:39:08] <JB_> or renting?
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  • [05:39:18] <JB_> So I return after the training
  • [05:39:22] <JB_> anyone?
  • [05:39:45] <tdh2002> http://www.embedinfo.com/en/index-en.html
  • [05:39:50] <tdh2002> you can see this
  • [05:40:03] <JB_> looking at it now
  • [05:40:04] <tdh2002> yesterday a guy buy
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  • [05:47:11] <tarikk> hey guys
  • [05:47:35] <tarikk> i dont hav a beagleboard yet.. so im just doin some research.. regarding android
  • [05:47:48] <tarikk> ne1 alive?
  • [05:47:56] <thurbad> only halfway
  • [05:48:16] <tarikk> lol
  • [05:48:37] <tarikk> i'm assuming most modules i'd be using would be connected via the usb hub right
  • [05:48:38] <tarikk> ?
  • [05:48:57] <tarikk> say .. a camera.. or gps
  • [05:49:58] <tarikk> what would be the driver support for these like?? do i need to implement specific drivers for the kernel?
  • [05:50:10] <thurbad> unless you have some other way of connecting them
  • [05:51:07] <tarikk> usb is fine for now. but im jus worried bout what's actually supported
  • [05:51:44] <thurbad> you're probably gonna need a powered hub for any heavy power items like webcams
  • [05:52:29] <tarikk> oh i see
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  • [06:03:22] <JB_> anyone who can help me
  • [06:03:44] <JB_> with getting my hands on a (secondhand and or clone) beagleboard?
  • [06:04:50] <JB_> anyone please?
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  • [06:08:47] <tdh2002> -.-
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  • [06:39:13] <yann361> good morning all
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  • [08:01:40] <siji> Hi All
  • [08:01:55] <siji> Some conclusion of my Experiments which i had done
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  • [08:04:43] <siji> Beagle Board + Ubuntu +Clutter ,giving better performance than any other OS
  • [08:05:46] <av500> doing what?
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  • [08:21:18] <adj> better idle performance?
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  • [08:29:41] <yann361> someone use CONFIG_OMAP_MUX and tps rtc ?
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  • [08:41:15] <siji> av500,adj , Yes Idle performance
  • [08:42:31] <siji> i tried with both ubuntu and Angstrom
  • [08:42:57] <siji> And in that ubuntu gave me better performance with less effort
  • [08:43:37] <av500> idle performance?
  • [08:43:59] <adj> aargh :)
  • [08:47:09] <mlip2> ;)
  • [08:49:08] <siji> :)
  • [08:49:21] <siji> I Mean good performance
  • [08:49:28] <av500> doing what?
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  • [08:49:34] <siji> OR can say Excellent
  • [08:49:41] <av500> cursor blinks faster?
  • [08:49:59] <lilly> can any one tell me what does this flag mean "CONFIG_OMAP2_DSS_MIN_FCK_PER_PCK" and how PCK and FCK co relate with each other
  • [08:50:17] <siji> Animations , Actor movement , Text rendering
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  • [08:54:43] <av500> lilly: did you consult the TRM?
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  • [08:55:42] <lilly> hi av500 : no
  • [08:55:44] <jeff1> hi. I changed ramdisk_size in my u-boot. But it doesn't really changed the size of disk ,when kernel has been loaded.
  • [08:56:08] <jeff1> do I need some sort of "formatting" the disk? or what?
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  • [08:56:59] <av500> lilly: then I recommend you do that 1st
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  • [09:02:25] <lilly> av500 : i am confused about TRM ?n
  • [09:02:27] <jeff1> :)
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  • [09:11:24] <av500> lilly: omap3 technical reference manual
  • [09:12:18] <av500> e.g. http://focus.ti.com/pdfs/wtbu/SWPU114I_PrelimFinalEPDF_06_10_2008.pdf
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  • [09:33:56] <tasslehoff> I'm testing on a beagleinspired board with twice the ram/flash, and 720MHz cpu. Any obvious things I need to change in the configuration of my OE/Angstrom-build?
  • [09:36:01] <jkridner> good morning all
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  • [10:07:42] <tasslehoff> Will "#CONFIG_MTD_NAND is not set" in defconfig enable my beagle to boot without using the nand?
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  • [10:20:15] <siji> How to change VRAM conf
  • [10:20:28] <siji> I tried to change it frm bootarg
  • [10:20:38] <siji> but failed
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  • [10:25:35] <topi`> off topic, but avaaz.org is running a campaign to get a million signatures to petition a moratorium on GM crops in EU. i know we have EU citizens on this channel, please sign it and spread the word.
  • [10:26:12] <topi`> if there will be any genetical engineering of our most important crops, then please let it be open source engineered.
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  • [11:00:58] <tasslehoff> http://pastebin.ca/1842202 <- anyone got an idea what this could be? Like I mentioned, I'm trying to boot a beagle-like board with twice the sdram and flash
  • [11:03:00] <siji> jkrindner, Can you pls tell me where are wrong
  • [11:03:01] <siji> setenv bootargs 'console=ttyS2,115200n8 console=tty0 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootwait rootfstype=ext3 ro omapfb.vram=0:4M,1:4M omapfb.mode=dvi:1280x768MR-16@60'
  • [11:03:10] <siji> this is my boot arg
  • [11:03:26] <siji> and till it's shoing vram=1.2MB
  • [11:03:32] <siji> after booting
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  • [11:21:48] <buZz> siji: in /proc/cmdline ?
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  • [11:22:30] <siji> the same
  • [11:22:33] <av500> tasslehoff: and you changed something for the 2x sdram?
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  • [11:23:11] <av500> looks to me like you 1st access to sdram fails
  • [11:23:14] <tasslehoff> av500: no, I'm digging now to find out where to change it.
  • [11:23:20] <tasslehoff> av500: ah. "cool" :)
  • [11:23:21] <buZz> siji: maybe add omapfb.debug=yes omapdss.debug=yes to see whats happening
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  • [11:23:27] <av500> anyway you run only with 80+128
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  • [11:24:11] <siji> buZz,as bootarg?
  • [11:24:29] <buZz> siji: yeah, add it behind bootargs
  • [11:24:34] <siji> ok
  • [11:24:36] <siji> let me try
  • [11:25:24] <tasslehoff> av500: do you know where I set the amount of sdram?
  • [11:27:08] <tasslehoff> can I modify my bootargs and run only from mmc?
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  • [11:34:36] <tasslehoff> av500: nevermind the first Q. we actually have the same amount of sdram
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  • [11:35:09] <ry_> does omap support 8 bit parallel raw camera sensor
  • [11:35:44] <av500> yes
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  • [11:38:34] <tasslehoff> av500: u-boot says that I only have 128MB DRAM, and that the size of the bank at 0x88000000 is 0. can't be good?
  • [11:38:40] <ry_> isp.c has a list of formats support and it doesnt list 8 bit raw, it lists only 10 bit raw
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  • [12:37:47] <juan__> I have a question...could anybody use the gpio interrupts'
  • [12:37:49] <juan__> ?
  • [12:38:10] <Crofton|work> I have used them in a kernel driver
  • [12:38:25] <juan__> great! thats what im trying to do..
  • [12:38:37] <Crofton|work> it is fairly sraight forward
  • [12:39:11] <juan__> mmmm...im quite new developing kernel drivers..
  • [12:39:18] <juan__> i get the following error
  • [12:39:27] <Crofton|work> http://github.com/balister/linux-omap-philip/commit/f13c2ef7489044a491c72114b4e69ef93806bf45#diff-0
  • [12:39:37] <Crofton|work> poke around in this
  • [12:40:30] <juan__> error: declaraci??n impl??cita de la funci??n ???omap_request_gpio???
  • [12:41:45] <juan__> thanks! i think that tutorial will help me
  • [12:41:49] <Crofton> check your includes
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  • [12:49:14] <juan__> I added all the includes but i still have problems with the function omap_request_gpio
  • [12:50:44] <Crofton|work> grep for the function in the include dir
  • [12:50:59] <Crofton|work> the error means it does not match the definition in the header
  • [12:51:01] <juan__> In the document you have just passed me it does not use it...it uses request_gpio instead...maybe it has changed (I took it from a beagleboard forum)
  • [12:51:10] <Crofton|work> could be :)
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  • [12:52:18] <XorA> omap_request_gpio???
  • [12:52:27] <XorA> that sounds wrong
  • [12:53:36] <Crofton> yeah, I am pretty sure they are getting rid of the omap specific functions, at least exported for use by drivers
  • [12:54:15] <XorA> omap is completely gpio lib so read Documentation/gpio
  • [12:54:32] <XorA> shouldnt be using any omap specific functions
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  • [12:57:32] <hrw> request_gpio() works fine for me with 2.6.31/bug20
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  • [13:01:57] <juan__> yeap...thats the function i found
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  • [13:29:17] <hrw> XorA, Crofton: do you know did someone fixed 'Buffer I/O error on device mtdblock0' errors on omap3?
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  • [13:34:02] <XorA> hrw: dont try and mount it :-)
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  • [13:34:48] <hrw> ?
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  • [13:36:51] <hrw> XorA: you meant 'dont try *to* mount it'?
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  • [13:38:43] <XorA> hrw: maybe
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  • [13:40:52] <tasslehoff> Where can I find that nice shellscript for creating u-boot scripts for boot and writing x-loader/u-boot to nand?
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  • [14:25:43] <davilla> j/ #ubuntu-arm
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  • [14:28:33] <tasslehoff> When I compile u-boot for beagle, the bootcmd is not what I see in omap3_beagle.h in the u-boot source. It no longer tries loadbootscript, but just uses precompiled bootargs. Anyone else seeing this?
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  • [14:36:47] <tasslehoff> or, it uses "mmc init; fatload mmc 0 0x80300000 uImage1; bootm 0x80300000", which I can't find in the u-boot source at all...
  • [14:42:01] <adj> tasslehoff: did you remember to wipe u-boot env from nand?
  • [14:42:36] <adj> u-boot uses the default env only if env cannot be loaded from env area at nand
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  • [14:43:32] <tasslehoff> adj: this is our own beagle-like board, so I hope the nand is empty :)
  • [14:43:45] <adj> aah :)
  • [14:46:15] <av500> tasslehoff: the nand might have some data from the previous customer that returned it :)
  • [14:47:18] <adj> if infinite number of flash memory vendors were to manufacture flash memories, they would in finite time eventually produce a flash memory containing valid u-boot environment
  • [14:47:25] <tasslehoff> av500: hah. I bet that's the case :)
  • [14:48:06] <adj> (provided that they didn't erase memories before shipping them)
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  • [15:11:32] <jkridner> I might as well ask in public if anyone know of anyone putting an OMAP35x in a 19" touchscreen monitor (I'm not saying that I do or don't, just trying to see if anyone here wants to let me know they are working on such a thing).
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  • [15:15:23] <ynezz> jkridner: hm, how do you mean that? I do have beagle in 22" touchscreen (it's a 22" NEC LCD with a Touchkit touchscreen in a custom case)
  • [15:16:10] <jkridner> I'm looking for someone who's putting them in plastics and looking to ship them at reasonable volume, not just being able to put one together.
  • [15:16:46] <jkridner> not sure of the quality of your custom case.
  • [15:17:00] <av500> custom quality!
  • [15:17:12] <ynezz> it's a laser cut on CNC, 22 pcs. sold already :)
  • [15:17:29] <jkridner> :)
  • [15:17:42] <av500> ynezz: pics!
  • [15:17:45] <jkridner> where are you selling them?
  • [15:17:46] <_koen_> pics!
  • [15:18:11] <_koen_> jkridner: that plexiglass.tv casing looked nice as well
  • [15:18:41] <ynezz> jkridner: just to my employer, but I'm now working on something public
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  • [15:19:59] <ynezz> _koen_: it's nothing to see there, it's just 22" case 1:1 in metal, in crappy yellow color for their customer
  • [15:21:15] <ynezz> I would rather post pictures of the next gen design which use brushed stainless steel and looks awesome :)
  • [15:22:13] <ynezz> the guy doing Inventor stuff for me is going married this saturday, so it will be little be delayed
  • [15:22:27] <ynezz> but I still hope for end of march...
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  • [15:34:34] <tasslehoff> adj: you were right. someone else tried to get the board running yesterday, and had saved a weird environment to nand :)
  • [15:35:32] <adj> heh :)
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  • [15:37:11] <av500> tasslehoff: slap him with a wet fish!
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  • [15:37:55] <tasslehoff> adj: it was my boss, so probably not the best idea :)
  • [15:38:05] <tasslehoff> av500: ^^
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  • [15:56:10] <_av500_> tasslehoff: he will understand in the end...
  • [15:57:25] <ry_> i write a cam driver and i see image is very dark, any idea about cfa here
  • [15:57:36] <ry_> cfa coefficents in isp
  • [15:57:45] <tharvey> does tps4030 have any midi support?
  • [16:00:08] <mru> don't think so
  • [16:00:14] <mru> run a softsynth instead
  • [16:00:21] <mru> the omap3 has more than enough power
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  • [16:01:23] <muriani> indeed.
  • [16:01:27] <muriani> tmidity!
  • [16:01:41] <muriani> er, timidity
  • [16:02:03] <XorA> timidity in the DSP :-)
  • [16:02:11] <|nfecteD> Anyone have any idea why im just getting hissing and crackling audio in snes9x in angstrom?
  • [16:02:36] <muriani> timidity in the DSP with the Fluid or Unison soundfont :-)
  • [16:02:49] <mru> |nfecteD: you've probably forgotten, but that's what the snes actually sounded like :-)
  • [16:02:56] <|nfecteD> hurr hurr
  • [16:03:34] <tharvey> mru, you have a recomendation for a softsynth thats in OE?
  • [16:03:55] <mru> is timidity there?
  • [16:04:20] <mru> I don't use those things anymore
  • [16:04:30] <mru> I have ample space for real music now
  • [16:04:33] <tharvey> don't see it
  • [16:04:42] <_av500_> mru: u have an adlib card now?
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  • [16:04:57] <tharvey> was looking for something simple to play tones - alsa speakertest does it but strangely they don't seem to allow you to control the duration of the tone
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  • [16:05:36] <mru> if all you need is a tone generator I'm sure there are better options
  • [16:06:26] <_av500_> tharvey: hack alsaspktest
  • [16:06:47] <tharvey> ya, thats what my plan was - just figured there would be a midi solution already out there
  • [16:07:07] <_av500_> play pcm
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  • [16:17:34] * _koen_ wonders why 'git am' and 'git am -3' break horribly while 'patch -p1' only reports fuzz
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  • [16:26:20] <mru> _koen_: add -v and find out
  • [16:26:37] * mru suspects git am accepts less fuzz by default
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  • [16:31:32] <XorA> do patch, do git diff, put the new diff in place of the old one in email then git am it :-)
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  • [16:36:19] <_koen_> XorA: that's what I did in the end
  • [16:36:30] * _koen_ has a nicely patched pixman now
  • [16:40:02] <mru> what nice stuff did you patch it with?
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  • [16:40:48] <XorA> that magic accellerator what means it can do 2160p :-)
  • [16:41:44] <_koen_> mru: a scaler branch that makes it faster on x86 (but slower on arm) and the overlapped blt stuff that helps scrolling
  • [16:42:09] <_koen_> pixman master merged the flags branch that makes it take the slow paths less
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  • [17:22:20] <djlewis_> prpplague: everything I read points to a requirement for a ISP programmer initially even to load the atmega bootloader
  • [17:23:33] <prpplague> djlewis_: we are shipping the trainer with the arduino bootloader loaded
  • [17:24:10] <prpplague> djlewis_: you'll only need the ISP programmer if you fudge up the bootloader
  • [17:24:37] <djlewis_> prpplague: cool :)
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  • [17:27:19] <djlewis_> prpplague: has this been tested, it includes a 6pin cable? http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9231
  • [17:27:34] * prpplague looks
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  • [17:27:54] <prpplague> yep works fine from linux
  • [17:28:15] * djlewis_ reads that using the ISP frees up to 4kB flash for user.
  • [17:28:30] <prpplague> yea
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  • [17:29:51] <djlewis_> nad allows placing code anywhere in atmega flash
  • [17:30:00] <djlewis_> s/nad/and
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  • [17:37:36] <ds2> Morning!
  • [17:37:57] <djlewis_> gm ds2
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  • [17:59:11] <jkridner> good morning ds2
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  • [17:59:30] * jkridner wonders if anyone has touched http://tinyurl.com/bbgsoc
  • [18:00:25] * muriani touches it
  • [18:00:30] <muriani> oooh, it's all tingly.
  • [18:02:25] <XorA> phzzzzzt, ow that stings!
  • [18:02:40] <jkridner> :)
  • [18:05:04] <djlewis_> what's that smell?
  • [18:05:17] <GrizzlyAdams> that smell that surrounds you?
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  • [18:08:25] <djlewis_> Oh, it was just the parmesean cheese on the pizza :P
  • [18:12:54] <ds2> jkridner: that list of ideas is almost as bad as the contest list at the moment :(
  • [18:13:28] <ds2> either that or the audience/target is different from what I am expecting
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  • [18:16:47] <jkridner> ds2: it is bad.
  • [18:17:11] <jkridner> they could look at it at any time, so it would really help if it was beefed up in any wya.
  • [18:17:15] <jkridner> s/wya/way/
  • [18:17:53] <ds2> not sure where to begin to edit it
  • [18:18:19] <ds2> a lot are nice ideas but I don't think belongs here...then there are the hard/medium/easy classifications which seems way off
  • [18:20:12] <wroberts1> will there be omap4 beagle?
  • [18:20:14] <prpplague> jkridner: ping
  • [18:20:37] <jkridner> pong
  • [18:20:55] <ds2> I think it would be a really bad idea if I touch the document; I cannot understand the scale the use to identify the complexity
  • [18:20:55] <prpplague> jkridner: you guys still planning to populate the expansion headers on the XM?
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  • [18:29:00] <jkridner> prpplague: yeah.
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  • [18:29:13] <jkridner> all female on the expansion connectors.
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  • [18:30:12] <jkridner> ds2: then just leave the scale off.
  • [18:30:35] <ds2> jkridner: prehaps I should ask, what do you need done to the document?
  • [18:31:03] <ds2> the only edits I was thinking of was notes on possible implementation and maybe hints on pitfalls
  • [18:31:50] <jkridner> possible kernel and bootloader improvements.
  • [18:32:20] <ds2> why bootloader? aren't there too many bootloader variants already?
  • [18:32:31] <jkridner> hints on pitfalls and implementations would be great.
  • [18:32:38] <ds2> I'd almost suggest removing the bootloader idea/projects
  • [18:34:36] <jkridner> ds2: but I think those are ones that are very direct.
  • [18:34:55] <jkridner> and provide reuse across a ton of users.
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  • [18:38:06] <ds2> but we have too many forks of U-boot by itself already (leopard version, hawk board version, the flavors on the beagle, the version used on the other dev boards and that's just with the ARM processor boards from one semi. company); wouldn't it not be more productive to do a consolidation BEFORE doing any feature add...preferablly working with the main U-boot folks to commit like what was done with the Beagle stuff?
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  • [18:40:58] <mru> so make a gsoc project to merge all the omap forks into one
  • [18:41:16] <jkridner> ds2: I think that is a good gsoc project.
  • [18:41:28] <ds2> I think I will write that up
  • [18:42:30] <ds2> we (the Beagle community) really appear to be forking off on our own for too many things :(
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  • [18:43:12] <jkridner> agreed.
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  • [18:46:19] * DanaG wants a picture of the "XM"
  • [18:47:25] <jkridner> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jadon/4436189602/
  • [18:48:42] <DanaG> oh yeah, is it possible to get a usb-gadget usb-serial function?
  • [18:48:47] <DanaG> or how about usb gadget audio?
  • [18:49:05] <DanaG> ooh, ethernet. and is that USB 3.0?
  • [18:49:12] <jkridner> USB 2.0.
  • [18:49:25] <DanaG> And where'd the SD card slot go?
  • [18:49:43] <djlewis_> mini sd
  • [18:49:54] <DanaG> Mini? That's weird.
  • [18:50:00] <DanaG> It should be either full-size or micro.
  • [18:50:02] <jkridner> microsd.
  • [18:50:04] <DanaG> ah.
  • [18:50:07] <jkridner> microsd on the bottom.
  • [18:50:12] <DanaG> "mini" are hard to find. =??
  • [18:50:17] <jkridner> indeed.
  • [18:50:28] <djlewis_> my bad, wrong terminology
  • [18:50:31] <jkridner> no NAND flash.
  • [18:50:32] <DanaG> hmm, I also see that there's a second expansion-slot on the left.
  • [18:50:46] <DanaG> no NAND? where do u-boot and u-boot env go?
  • [18:50:54] <jkridner> microSD.
  • [18:51:07] <DanaG> U-boot can store its environment on a file system?
  • [18:51:52] <jkridner> don't think so. :(
  • [18:52:00] <ds2> no NAND?!
  • [18:52:03] <ds2> blah
  • [18:52:06] <Guest77043> script?
  • [18:52:07] <_av500_> use boot.scr, no?
  • [18:52:10] <Guest77043> ah crap
  • [18:52:10] <jkridner> but, you can put a boot.scr file.
  • [18:52:24] <DanaG> Bleh.
  • [18:52:35] <DanaG> I like having uboot-envutils functionality.
  • [18:52:38] <Guest77043> rebewt
  • [18:52:50] <jkridner> interesting...
  • [18:53:04] <ds2> so effectively you loose the SD slot...sigh
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  • [18:53:05] <jkridner> worth patching u-boot?
  • [18:53:16] <_av500_> patches welcome :)
  • [18:53:56] <DanaG> now, is that 10/100 ethernet, or gigabit?
  • [18:54:01] <sakoman_> the u-boot crowd (IIRC) does not take kindly to writable file systems
  • [18:54:22] <sakoman_> so such a patch would face an uphill battle to be approved
  • [18:54:35] <_av500_> writing to a fs is still magic in 2010?
  • [18:54:36] <ds2> the environment thing is secondary
  • [18:54:36] <jkridner> k
  • [18:54:52] <ds2> as long as u-boot can kick off a uImage file, it has done its job
  • [18:54:58] <_av500_> you can still store the env in an unused sector, co fs involved
  • [18:55:04] <ds2> the effective lost of the sd slot is much more concern
  • [18:55:05] <_av500_> no fs..
  • [18:56:02] <_av500_> ds2: on what device?
  • [18:56:07] <_av500_> I missed the start
  • [18:56:24] <ds2> _av500_: on the XM.... if they are doing away with NAND...that means you can't really use the SD slot as a removeable media anymore
  • [18:56:41] <_av500_> and y no nand?
  • [18:56:52] <ds2> having NAND and doing away with the SD slot would been more useful, IMO...but that ship has sailed
  • [18:57:09] <DanaG> no, that would also be useless.
  • [18:57:11] <ds2> having SD and no NAND is about as useful as having a socketed NAND
  • [18:57:16] <DanaG> nand is to small for much for anything.
  • [18:57:24] <ds2> SD can be replaced with a USB device...NAND cannot
  • [18:57:29] <_av500_> ds2: i can live with it
  • [18:57:34] <ds2> NAND too small?!?
  • [18:57:42] <_av500_> put a large SD and you can boot from and use as mass storage
  • [18:58:00] <ds2> what are you doing? Even the Android beast fits nicely in NAND with room to spare
  • [18:58:03] <jkridner> file systems can go on USB sticks?
  • [18:58:06] <ds2> sure
  • [18:58:07] <jkridner> (might be too slow?)
  • [18:58:14] <ds2> depends on your USB stick :D
  • [18:58:24] <_av500_> ds2: android beast want loooooots of nand
  • [18:58:28] <ds2> the PC folks do it all the time with DSL/Puppy Linux/etc
  • [18:58:35] <_av500_> so using sd for it makes sense
  • [18:58:39] <ds2> _av500_: it runs fine on a RevC in NAND
  • [18:58:50] <_av500_> ds2: yes, today
  • [18:58:52] <ds2> and that frees up the SD slot for real removeable media usage
  • [18:59:01] <_av500_> but look at nand size evolution in android phones
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  • [18:59:19] <_av500_> jkridner: btw, we do the same :)
  • [18:59:21] <ds2> _av500_: well... there is a reason why Android phones are not even considered... ;)
  • [18:59:42] <_av500_> ds2: and luckily enough you are not the template buyer ;)
  • [19:00:17] <ds2> _av500_: :D
  • [19:00:32] * _av500_ has to give a little talk here, bbl...
  • [19:00:42] <DanaG> Okay, without nand, then... what do you get if you power up the board with no SD card?
  • [19:00:55] <ds2> Heheh
  • [19:00:56] <_av500_> it explodes
  • [19:00:58] <jkridner> nada.
  • [19:00:59] <DanaG> oh, and what's that smaller black expansion port?
  • [19:01:04] <jkridner> USB/serial boot.
  • [19:01:15] <jkridner> DanaG: camera.
  • [19:01:16] <DanaG> Can it boot from usb-stick?
  • [19:01:17] <ds2> DanaG: camera is my guess
  • [19:01:23] <DanaG> And the 2x4 pin non-soldered header in the center?
  • [19:01:28] <jkridner> DanaG: no.
  • [19:01:28] <_av500_> usb
  • [19:02:05] <jkridner> yup, USB. same as P14.
  • [19:02:38] <ds2> Am I correct in assuming the reason for the lack of NAND was due to the density of the RAM used?
  • [19:03:00] <_av500_> or $$
  • [19:03:09] <jkridner> yeah, because we want a roadmap to 1GB.
  • [19:03:18] <jkridner> not $$ necessarily.
  • [19:03:42] <jkridner> the parts w/o NAND become more available first.
  • [19:03:44] <ds2> so in theory, one could take the open sourced design docs and have a board stuffed with a different POP P/N to get back NAND, right?
  • [19:03:45] <DanaG> Is it still powervr?
  • [19:03:53] <jkridner> ds2: sure.
  • [19:03:53] <_av500_> DanaG: yes
  • [19:04:10] <_av500_> ds2: you can solder it like pop tarts
  • [19:04:21] <jkridner> _av500_: you are a pretty good multitasker when giving talks. :)
  • [19:04:28] <_av500_> im not on yet :)
  • [19:04:35] <DanaG> HMM, what sort of interface does the camera use?
  • [19:04:39] <DanaG> usb? spi? proprietary?
  • [19:04:46] <_av500_> 565
  • [19:04:49] <DanaG> bleh. my gripe with powervr is not so much the non-openness... but more that I don't think you can do compiz with it. =??
  • [19:04:51] <ds2> it uses a standard camera interface :D
  • [19:04:51] <_av500_> raw data
  • [19:05:01] <_av500_> raw parallel data
  • [19:05:17] <djlewis_> jkridner: so with that litle camera header I do see the leopard Board camera should plug right in?
  • [19:05:30] <DanaG> what's "leopard board"?
  • [19:05:36] <_av500_> google
  • [19:05:50] <ds2> this is going to nicely dwarf the USB camera driver problems ;) he he he he he
  • [19:05:52] <jkridner> DanaG: it is raw parallel. i think the only standards are for inside of cell phones, so it isn't a "standard" per se, but lots of sensor modules would connect.
  • [19:06:01] <_av500_> jkridner: right
  • [19:06:25] <djlewis_> ds2: thats my hope
  • [19:06:32] <_av500_> 8-10 bit dat,a clock, sync
  • [19:06:49] <ds2> djlewis: I think you misunderstood me...unless you really like having useless hardware around
  • [19:06:50] <_av500_> see the TRM :)
  • [19:07:22] <djlewis_> ds2: hmmm....
  • [19:07:31] <jkridner> ds2: I suspect that there will just be a handful of sensor modules with camera drivers released, so it is a different class of problem. modules will have zero customers without some drivers.
  • [19:07:31] <DanaG> uart serial in an audio jack? how weird.
  • [19:07:43] <_av500_> jkridner: image pipelines :)
  • [19:07:46] <djlewis_> I am thinking this camera interface should out perform the usb
  • [19:07:54] <_av500_> djlewis_: for sure
  • [19:08:04] <jkridner> DanaG: seems to be a popular thing to do in Asia for debug boards (as far as I've seen).
  • [19:08:08] <ds2> jkridner: even the leopard folks are way behind in getting camera drivers out and AFAIK, only the RR folks are working on it
  • [19:08:16] <_av500_> jkridner: popular in france too :)
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  • [19:09:06] <jkridner> would an I2C EEPROM for u-boot env vars fix most NAND flash concerns?
  • [19:09:19] <jkridner> or, do we need enough boot memory for u-boot itself....
  • [19:09:41] <jkridner> is it all about being able to boot without a specific format on the card?
  • [19:10:06] <ds2> the problem I see is, it is going to be very difficult to use the removeable media slot as a removeable media
  • [19:10:10] <DanaG> without NAND, where do you put u-boot? In the boot sector?
  • [19:10:25] <jkridner> ds2: yeah, you'll pretty much need to use USB for that.
  • [19:10:27] <DanaG> Heck, even just having TWO micro-sd slots would be enough of a fix.
  • [19:10:48] <jkridner> with 4 USB ports, the idea is that you can connect SD adapters, HDDs, etc.
  • [19:10:53] <ds2> jkridner: so why bother with the expense of SD? you can get eMMC cheaper and it'll be smaller footprint
  • [19:10:55] <ppotera> isn't there an add-on of sorts for a second slot?
  • [19:11:24] <jkridner> ppotera: yeah, but I know I don't like to mess with add-ons.
  • [19:11:31] <ppotera> sure
  • [19:11:34] <DanaG> eMMC? micro-sd is more standard -- or at least, I've never seen ads for eMMC cheaply.
  • [19:11:35] <ds2> ppotera: yes but you burn up half your resources on the slot for that
  • [19:11:39] <ppotera> but if you *must* have a second slot
  • [19:11:40] <DanaG> Micro-SD goes chap all the time.
  • [19:11:42] <ds2> DanaG: eMMC is soldered on
  • [19:11:45] <ds2> no socket
  • [19:12:21] <jkridner> if we were to tie up another MMC/SD port, I'd rather it be to a socket than to a soldered down part.
  • [19:12:25] <ds2> the other thing is this design burns the 1 and only SD port on the OMAP that can do non 1.8V I/O w/o level translators
  • [19:13:09] <DanaG> Are there any ports where you could have on-board (but not on-chip) NAND?
  • [19:13:17] <DanaG> or some sort of u-boot flash.
  • [19:13:21] <jkridner> ds2: those level translators are a big reason there isn't a second slot, as well as the fact that the second port is brought to the expansion header.
  • [19:13:38] <jkridner> ds2 will just need a Zippy-like board.
  • [19:13:44] * jkridner must run for now.
  • [19:13:52] <ds2> building the board is not a problem
  • [19:13:58] <jkridner> thanks for all the extra input.
  • [19:14:02] <ds2> I just don't see this as a good use of resources
  • [19:14:02] * jkridner will check the logs later.
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  • [19:14:54] <DanaG> yeah, and with ethernet onboard, zippy2 will be somewhat redundant.
  • [19:15:25] <ds2> it is trivial to design a board
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  • [19:16:05] <DanaG> Oh heck, it would be convenient enough even just to have an onboard USB-SD thingy.
  • [19:16:13] <DanaG> though, that probably couldn't do SDIO.
  • [19:16:24] <ds2> not really
  • [19:16:35] <DanaG> I have a samsung netbook that has this funky usb-sd thingy where it's not spring-loaded.
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  • [19:18:16] <DanaG> hmm, does omap have provisions for SATA?
  • [19:18:29] <mru> no
  • [19:18:38] <mru> it's a mobile chip
  • [19:18:41] <mru> phones don't have sata
  • [19:19:15] <ds2> OMAP does have provisions for SATA
  • [19:19:18] <ds2> the OMAP3 doesn't.
  • [19:20:28] <DanaG> =??
  • [19:20:48] <_koen_> there's sata on my omap-l138
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  • [19:23:03] <DanaG> oh yeah, so with u-boot on SD card... where on the SD card does it actually go?
  • [19:23:10] <DanaG> And where does the environment go?
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  • [19:26:54] <ds2> the environment is optional
  • [19:27:26] <ds2> just spend some time with a broken U-boot that can't write to flash and you'll get use to that ;)
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  • [19:29:15] <DanaG> oh yeah, speaking of u-boot... there are so many different branches, some of which are old and yet have "newer" dates. Which source is recommended for use on the beagleboard?
  • [19:29:43] <_koen_> the one OE builds
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  • [19:33:51] <DanaG> hmm, is that source in a git tree somewhere?
  • [19:33:57] <DanaG> I don't care to set up openembedded.
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  • [19:37:35] <Crofton> DanaG, read the recipe
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  • [19:38:31] <oneshel> is it possible to copy the kernel from nand to mmc?
  • [19:38:40] <oneshel> in u-boot of course
  • [19:38:58] <mru> no
  • [19:39:09] <oneshel> mru: nuts, ok thanks
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  • [19:57:26] <GrizzlyAdams> lies, it is possible to copy from nand to mmc quite easily
  • [19:57:30] <GrizzlyAdams> oh wait n/m
  • [19:57:49] <GrizzlyAdams> i'm stupid, the standard u-boot doesn't support write to fat fs
  • [19:58:05] <_av500_> back
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  • [19:58:29] <_av500_> jkridner: u dont need an i2c eprom
  • [20:00:40] <_av500_> before you add hw to save the uboot env, you teach uboot to write to the sd card...
  • [20:01:58] <DanaG> oh yeah, you said "read the recipe" -- is there somewhere I can find that one file online?
  • [20:03:37] <DanaG> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard#U-Boot
  • [20:03:38] <DanaG> ah
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  • [20:13:54] <Crofton> cgit.openembedded.org
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  • [20:22:52] <tasslehoff> How can I configure/modify my kernel to leave out the audio-part of tps65950?
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  • [20:26:07] <GrizzlyAdams> wonder why noone has ported CFE to the beagle board yet...
  • [20:26:32] <GrizzlyAdams> its BSD licensed, has a usb stack
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  • [20:33:30] <DanaG> weird.. I thought this would be NEWER than the stock u-boot:
  • [20:33:31] <DanaG> http://www.sakoman.net/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=u-boot-omap3.git;a=summary
  • [20:34:02] <DanaG> And I still can't figure out where in the source that orange color comes from.
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  • [20:37:51] <DanaG> That u-boot says I have revision Ax/Bx.
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  • [20:47:37] <Brokie> yippee
  • [20:47:55] <djlewis_> yie yo kaiyea
  • [20:49:46] <DanaG> ah. the color is FF8000
  • [20:49:57] <DanaG> it's a rather acidic orange. nice.
  • [20:55:30] <tasslehoff> hm. can I get rid of the audio part by just blacklisting a module?
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  • [21:06:13] <muriani> tasslehoff: recompile the kernel minus support for it?
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  • [21:07:03] <muriani> if you want to remove it from an existing system, you could rmmod <modulename>
  • [21:07:11] <muriani> provided you have a binary for rmmod
  • [21:12:55] <tasslehoff> muriani: the plan is to recompile, I just don't know kernel-land well enough to know where to subtract the support for it :)
  • [21:13:14] <muriani> ah
  • [21:13:30] <muriani> I just poke around until I find something that works
  • [21:13:33] <muriani> :P
  • [21:14:00] <tasslehoff> :)
  • [21:16:34] <ds2> just disable sound
  • [21:16:39] <ds2> simpliest
  • [21:17:31] <muriani> This is true.
  • [21:17:49] <ds2> now if you can't find the option to disable sound in menuconfig....
  • [21:18:06] <djlewis_> then rip its guts out ;)
  • [21:18:33] <tasslehoff> hehe.
  • [21:18:40] <ds2> I suppose you could also use the secure mode stuff to prevent sound hw from being accessed...
  • [21:19:01] <ds2> but then you could also swat flys with a backhoe ;)
  • [21:19:29] <tasslehoff> never heard of menuconfig before. is it a frontend that ends up making changes to defconfig?
  • [21:19:37] <ds2> *nod*
  • [21:19:46] <ds2> get out of the silly OE rubber room!
  • [21:20:17] <ds2> download kernel. apply patches. copy in config; make menuconfig; make; copy out uImage onto device. iterate as needed.
  • [21:22:51] <ds2> but if you must, I believe OE leaves droppings containing the patched kernels as a tarball
  • [21:23:25] <tasslehoff> ds2: I have modified the defconfig of my oe recipe before, so I'll see if I can't disable audio there as well
  • [21:24:18] <ds2> do not edit the raw config file unless you know exactly what you are doing
  • [21:24:38] <ds2> the Kconfig for some option have rules that enable or disable other things or prevent conflicts
  • [21:25:58] <tasslehoff> I seldom know exactly what I'm doing :)
  • [21:26:25] <ds2> then menuconfig or xconfig is the safest
  • [21:28:59] <tasslehoff> thanks
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  • [21:49:16] <ds2> _av500_: how went the talk?
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  • [22:00:23] <djlewis_> i'm in vista hell :(
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  • [22:02:51] <_av500_> ds2: nice
  • [22:09:46] <muriani> I like menuconfig
  • [22:15:17] <ds2> so it did not result in a torches and pitch fork mob chasing you?
  • [22:15:28] <buZz> ah cool
  • [22:15:30] <buZz> http://myigep.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1250#p1250
  • [22:15:37] <buZz> ISEE had some idea ;)
  • [22:15:44] * buZz gonna try tomorrow
  • [22:19:13] <djlewis_> ds2: I see what you said bout leopard Borard drivers, I can't seem to find any.
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  • [22:31:55] <_av500_> ds2: no. only ppl asking for rebates...
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  • [22:32:34] <ds2> djlewis: it is unfortunate that drivers are such a pain with those devices
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  • [22:38:29] <djlewis_> ds2: I like the project but it seems stagnant.
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  • [22:38:46] <ds2> djlewis: the leopard? there is still quite a bit of activity on the list
  • [22:38:54] <ds2> not as much as the BB list
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  • [22:48:34] <sakoman_> buZz: I'm glad it was hw and not sw :-)
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  • [22:49:46] <ds2> sakoman_: has everything popped in you area yet?
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  • [22:57:40] <djlewis_> heading home guys... :)
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