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  • [00:03:41] <emeb> Yep - ocotillo. Looks like a bunch of dead, dry thorny branches until it rains - then >poof< green leaves emerge. This is shaping up to be a good spring wildflower season.
  • [00:04:47] <Brokie> whats matter thurbad?
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  • [00:19:17] <djlewis_> later guys ... :)
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  • [00:26:17] <Brokie> sniffle...
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  • [00:35:10] <nlewycky> i'm trying to update my beagle from 2.6.28-oer17 to 2.6.32.9-x9.1. upon rebooting the beagle, my host can't find it over usb0 even though lsusb lists "Netchip Technology, Inc. Linux-USB Ethernet/RNDIS Gadget"
  • [00:35:19] <nlewycky> what am i missing?
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  • [00:36:19] <nlewycky> the beagle still shows usb0, the host machine doesn't.
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  • [00:39:42] <mru> how are you looking for it?
  • [00:40:32] <nlewycky> "ifconfig -a" doesn't show it, ifup usb0 complains of no such device, etc.
  • [00:42:27] <rcn-ee> nlewycky, just for kicks.. what does uname -a print?
  • [00:42:45] <nlewycky> on the beagle: Linux redgreen 2.6.32.9-x9.1 #1 PREEMPT Thu Feb 25 20:50:39 UTC 2010 armv7l GNU/Linux
  • [00:44:48] <nlewycky> so i remember a bug where the beagle would report a different device ID before and after reboot, but that doesn't seem to be the problem this time
  • [00:47:30] <rcn-ee> nlewycky, just had a reboot one of my system's, it's coming up for me with "sudo ifconfig -a" could you dump your dmesg to pastebin?
  • [00:47:47] <thurbad> nlewycky, have you done sudo modprobe cdc_ether; sudo usbnet
  • [00:48:04] <thurbad> *sudo modprobe usbnet
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  • [00:48:31] <thurbad> on the host machine
  • [00:49:24] <nlewycky> rcn-ee: http://beagle.pastebin.com/uhpih3yy
  • [00:50:02] <nlewycky> thurbad: yup. i've tried usbnet, cdc_ether, cdc_subset (note that it's a 2.6.24-series kernel). no dice!
  • [00:50:24] <rcn-ee> okay it's showing up on the beagle which is good... i've never tried to then connect the connection to another x86 linux box...
  • [00:50:53] <nlewycky> it's funny because it was working fine until i rebooted the beagle. the x86 box hasn't changed at all ...
  • [00:51:42] <thurbad> do you have usb0 defined in /etc/network/interfaces ?
  • [00:52:05] <nlewycky> yes, on both machines.
  • [00:52:17] <rcn-ee> nlewycky, except it generates a random mac/id.. dmesg | grep usb0
  • [00:52:57] <nlewycky> rcn-ee: http://beagle.pastebin.com/eRgaUAJd
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  • [00:53:07] <thurbad> and you did sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart on the host AFTER rebooting the beagle?
  • [00:53:35] <nlewycky> thurbad: no, and i'd rather not lose the rest of my networking? :-)
  • [00:54:44] <thurbad> at a minimum try sudo ifdown usb0; sudo ifup usb0
  • [00:55:25] <nlewycky> thurbad: http://beagle.pastebin.com/cwwcSd7M
  • [00:55:37] <nlewycky> and for good measure, i tried usb1 too :)
  • [00:55:45] <thurbad> why is it unregistering cdc_ether?
  • [00:56:04] <nlewycky> probably because i was ifdown'ing usb0 and ifup'ing it again on the beagle
  • [00:56:18] <nlewycky> rcn-ee: i'm not sure what you mean by "it generates a random mac/id". surely it isn't supposed to do that...?
  • [00:56:31] <thurbad> it should stay loaded, just stop working
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  • [00:57:22] <rcn-ee> nlewycky, well when you went from 2.6.28 to 2.6.32.x, the mac would more then likely change, not sure if you used those tables on the other end to enable the connection..
  • [00:58:13] <nlewycky> oh that's interesting. no, i didn't hardcode the mac address or the usb device id anywhere
  • [00:58:32] <thurbad> mac address, or ip address?
  • [00:58:46] <nlewycky> i did hardcode the ip address, but we haven't gotten that far yet.
  • [00:59:45] <thurbad> try modprobing cdc_ether and usbnet again, then try ifup usb0
  • [01:01:08] <nlewycky> no dice, same behaviour out of ifup
  • [01:01:39] <thurbad> did dmesg |tail change at all?
  • [01:02:39] <nlewycky> just "usbcore: registered new interface driver cdc_ether"
  • [01:02:56] <nlewycky> (i rmmod'd cdc_* and usbnet before re-modprob'ing them)
  • [01:03:34] <thurbad> can you also pastebin the section of /etc/networking/interfaces relevant to usb0 ?
  • [01:04:22] <thurbad> err *network
  • [01:04:52] <nlewycky> thurbad: http://beagle.pastebin.com/Spvjj8rR
  • [01:06:33] <thurbad> what's in /home/nlewycky/masg.sh ?
  • [01:06:53] <nlewycky> it sets up NAT/masquerading.
  • [01:07:11] <thurbad> ah.. I just use firestarter
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  • [01:09:43] <thurbad> have you tried without the hotplug line?
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  • [01:10:14] <nlewycky> no
  • [01:13:07] <nlewycky> so if the device id is generated anyhow, is there perhaps a kernel module option to force the device id to something else?
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  • [01:17:44] <rcn-ee> nlewycky, some: http://www.linux-usb.org/gadget/index.html
  • [01:19:02] <thurbad> hmm, I added the hotplug option and rebooted the beagle.. lost my usb0
  • [01:22:58] <thurbad> took it out and rebooted the beagle and it's back
  • [01:24:40] <nlewycky> thurbad: that's very surprising, but i can give it a shot
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  • [01:31:08] <nlewycky> yeah, booting with the old kernel i get device id 0525:a4aa which works fine, while the new kernel has 0525:a4a2 and doesn't...
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  • [01:33:26] <djlewis> interesting
  • [01:37:13] <nlewycky> i bet that if my host were running a newer kernel+usbnet, the new product id would work
  • [01:38:28] <nlewycky> aw yeah, here it is in a patch to 2.6.26: http://marc.info/?l=linux-usb&m=121392794130412&w=2
  • [01:38:35] * nlewycky sighs.
  • [01:40:31] <thurbad> do I /need/ the CodeSorcery compiler to get the ti gstreamer codec engine compiled?
  • [01:41:23] <thurbad> the Makefiles kind of imply that you do need it
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  • [01:42:10] <rcn-ee> nlewycky, according to here: http://www.linux-usb.org/gadget/index.html you can change the pid/vid on boot... haven't found a good exapmle.. (then you don't have to upgrade your host kernel)
  • [01:44:30] <nlewycky> rcn-ee: yep! i'll give that a shot, thanks
  • [01:44:48] <rcn-ee> duh.. nlewycky you can force the usb stack to load a specific driver based on vid and pid too... i did that on my sheevaplug... way easier...
  • [01:46:07] <rcn-ee> something like: http://www.plugcomputer.org/plugwiki/index.php/Load_Serial_Drivers_Automatically_Using_udev but using cdc eth
  • [01:47:04] <ds2> nlewycky: you are changing the config
  • [01:47:11] <ds2> either use RNDIS or CDC
  • [01:47:13] <nlewycky> oh interesting, udev can do it? that means that some piece of the linux kernel knows full well how to set this thing!
  • [01:47:21] <nlewycky> ds2: i'd rather use CDC
  • [01:47:46] <ds2> nlewycky: then compile your kernel appropriately
  • [01:47:59] <nlewycky> ds2: i got the kernel from rcn-ee
  • [01:48:01] <ds2> different modes have different product ids so it can be associated with the right driver
  • [01:48:40] * nlewycky passes the blame right along ;-)
  • [01:49:15] <nlewycky> okay, so you're saying i can't just override the product id. that makes more sense than having randomly scrambled productids :-/
  • [01:51:03] <Ceriand|work> does x-load expect the first partition to start at a particular sector when mmc booting?
  • [01:51:18] <Ceriand|work> or does it actually parse the partition table to get the start?
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  • [01:51:41] <thurbad> supposedly MLO has to start at 0
  • [01:51:59] <Ceriand|work> it finds MLO fine, it x-load that doesn't find u-boot.bin
  • [01:52:06] <Ceriand|work> *it's x-load
  • [01:52:06] <nlewycky> ds2: do you know if rndis vs. cdc is configurable from user-space? or must it be in the kernel config?
  • [01:52:54] <thurbad> u-boot should be the second thing you load on the partiaion
  • [01:53:36] <Ceriand|work> yes, I know. However, using a compiled from source x-load, it doesn't find u-boot.bin
  • [01:53:50] <Ceriand|work> nm, found it
  • [01:54:21] <Ceriand|work> it's set to look at a hard coded value of lba=63 as the start of the fat partition
  • [01:54:30] <Ceriand|work> that's stupid
  • [01:55:16] <thurbad> does anyone know if the TI gstreamer codec engine can be built without codesourcery?
  • [01:55:35] <ds2> nlewycky: might be as a module param but I donno off hand
  • [01:55:48] <ds2> those product ids are NOT randomly scambled. they are by design
  • [01:57:26] * nlewycky nods.
  • [01:57:34] <nlewycky> i noticed it was 1 bit away, which suggests careful planning
  • [02:02:41] <tdh2002> anyone know whick omap board have smsc9220 eth card except TI'evm?
  • [02:04:56] <thurbad> does angstrom qualify as gnu/Linux or uCLinux?
  • [02:05:56] <mIKEjONES> it's not uclinux
  • [02:06:01] <mIKEjONES> at all
  • [02:07:30] <ds2> look at the source, it explains it all
  • [02:07:46] <ds2> *ahem* it is not gnu/Linux... it is Linux
  • [02:08:03] <ds2> if you choose to use GNU stuff in your user land, so be it but the kernel is not from the GNU project.
  • [02:10:17] <thurbad> codesourcery wants me to choose one of those for an evaluation
  • [02:11:07] <ds2> not the uCLinux path as that assumes no MMU
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  • [02:11:59] <thurbad> I've wasted so much time today it would have paid for a license, if I could have just gotten this damned thing working
  • [02:15:31] <mIKEjONES> you are aware that linux is GPL'd right?
  • [02:15:49] <mru> eh?
  • [02:15:51] <thurbad> what's the recommended version of codesourcery?
  • [02:15:56] <mru> 2009q1
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  • [02:38:59] <djlewis> gotta shutdown, surrounded by lightning.
  • [02:39:07] <ds2> Yikes
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  • [03:01:05] <djlewis> That blew by fast.
  • [03:03:05] <ds2> still got a roof?
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  • [03:08:35] <djlewis> yep :) i think so. its night out
  • [03:08:56] <djlewis> had some hail
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  • [03:13:41] <ds2> for the folks with USB Mouse problems, prehaps this model might do better - http://www.instructables.com/id/Mouse-Mouse!
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  • [03:44:37] <tdh2002> who can give a angstrom's kernel config of BB?
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  • [04:51:44] <thurbad> heya brokie.. what compiler did you use for the TI codec engine?
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  • [05:00:17] <Brokie> ?
  • [05:00:27] <Brokie> You cannot compile the TI codecs, bro
  • [05:00:37] <Brokie> they are binaries
  • [05:00:58] <thurbad> the codec engine isn't compiled is it?
  • [05:01:27] <thurbad> and if that's the case how do you install them?
  • [05:01:39] <Brokie> I didn't compile anything
  • [05:02:07] <Brokie> installed according to the wiki reference for Angstrom
  • [05:02:50] <thurbad> there wasn't anything about installing them in the link you gave me earlier
  • [05:03:31] <Brokie> http://markmail.org/message/4w6twumokzhnaapi
  • [05:03:34] <Brokie> Lookie thar
  • [05:04:27] <Brokie> http://ossie.wireless.vt.edu/trac/wiki/BeagleBoard_CodecEngine And thar
  • [05:08:50] <thurbad> cool, checking them now
  • [05:14:58] <|nfecteD> YAWN!
  • [05:15:02] <|nfecteD> mornin'
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  • [06:08:13] <andruk> im getting an "Unhandled fault: external abort on non-linefetch (0x1018)" error after following these instructions: http://automatica.com.au/blog/2009/10/howto-ubuntu-on-the-beagleboard/ how do i fix this?
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  • [06:22:06] <default__> Mornin |nfecteD
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  • [06:23:33] <tdh2002> Morning
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  • [06:24:33] <tdh2002> when i choose omap2/3 FB framebuffer, after compile the kernel runing with fault :omapfb omapfb: no displays
  • [06:24:34] <tdh2002> omapfb omapfb: failed to setup omapfb
  • [06:24:34] <tdh2002> omapfb: probe of omapfb failed with error -22
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  • [06:39:14] <Brokie> hmm, that seems strange
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  • [06:51:42] <yann361> good morning all
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  • [07:11:14] <yann361> anyone ever encountered input output error on i2c-2 bus ?
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  • [08:03:15] <adj> yann361: how are you using the bus?
  • [08:05:50] <yann361> with i2c-tools got i/o error
  • [08:06:21] <yann361> on the line i can see the address but after that the lines goes high and nothing
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  • [08:07:11] <adj> slave never responds?
  • [08:07:29] <yann361> can't see anything except adresse on the line
  • [08:07:36] <yann361> my atxmega never interrupt
  • [08:08:20] <adj> my guess would be misconfiguration at the atmega side, but that's only a guess
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  • [08:19:26] <tdh2002> HI everyone, when i use the default_confgi for BB, there is on one deivce /dev/fb0 here. But when I chang the FB set to omap 2/3 framebuffer , there is even no /dev/fbX at all. someone konw why?
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  • [08:26:17] <nani> afternoon to all
  • [08:26:42] <nani> I am using C3 version of beeagle board.
  • [08:27:09] <nani> I loaded xunbuntu froom http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu
  • [08:27:41] <nani> my problem is. i am able to booot it but keeybooarrd and moouse arree noot wworrking
  • [08:27:46] <nani> any suggeestioonos
  • [08:28:23] <tdh2002> nani:insert a usb gadget module
  • [08:29:00] <nani> Thanks for the reply. But where can I find it and how to insert it?
  • [08:31:01] <nani> Can you provide me any link concerning with this problem.
  • [08:31:05] <tdh2002> nani: /lib/modules/kerne-version/kernle
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  • [09:46:35] <re0x4> hi
  • [09:47:09] <re0x4> I get jffs2 image file by processing the directory with the mkfs.jffs2
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  • [09:47:49] <re0x4> Can beagleboard work with filesystem, if image was made from the archive (rootfs.tar.gz)?
  • [09:48:39] <tdh2002> oh yeas ! smsc911X works
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  • [10:10:20] <yatin> hi
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  • [11:38:18] <hrw> morning
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  • [11:45:06] <cwillu_at_work> stabbity stab
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  • [12:32:20] <kerute> hello
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  • [13:24:47] <hrw> is there a tool to play with omap3 gpio lines?
  • [13:26:23] <av500> sysfs
  • [13:28:08] <hrw> in sysfs I have only few gpio listed
  • [13:28:49] <av500> the ones that are brought out on the BB, no?
  • [13:29:01] <hrw> I play with bugbase 2.0 not bb now
  • [13:29:08] <av500> k
  • [13:29:22] <av500> I guess it is the board file that needs to expose them
  • [13:30:09] <adj> no it doesn't
  • [13:31:23] <adj> just echo the gpio number to /sys/class/gpio/export
  • [13:32:28] <kerute> anybody used http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/narcissus/ ?
  • [13:33:00] <adj> hrw: http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/msg/c623a16637625685
  • [13:33:18] <hrw> thx
  • [13:33:20] <kerute> to generate an angstrom image ?
  • [13:33:35] <XorA> lots of people have
  • [13:34:43] <kerute> i have the rootfs
  • [13:34:54] <kerute> but i didnt get the boot.scr or the uimage
  • [13:35:42] <kerute> the .img at the end of the page is empty, just has the partition table
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  • [13:44:38] <XorA> uImage is in the rootfs
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  • [13:54:37] <mcgeagh> having issues with networking on ubuntu beagleboard... it doesnt seem to enumerate the usb-to-ethernet device, but does recognise it...
  • [13:54:55] <mcgeagh> i.e dmesg and lsusb tells me its detected an apple usb to ethernet device
  • [13:55:12] <mcgeagh> but ifconfig eth0/1/2/etc up says no such name
  • [13:55:26] <_koen_> and ifconfig -a ?
  • [13:55:36] <mcgeagh> and last line of dmesg says usbnet: exports duplicate symbol usbnet_resume
  • [13:56:44] <mcgeagh> -a gives lo and usb0.... no eth
  • [13:57:19] <mcgeagh> ive always had a usb0 so assume its not it (did try dhclient it, with no luck)
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  • [14:01:31] <mcgeagh> i also tried 2 diff usb-to-eth adapters... my next step is to configure kernel, see if its got builtin support
  • [14:01:39] <mcgeagh> unless theres a simpler answer
  • [14:08:32] <ppotera> if it tells you it's an apple usb to eth device that means it enumerated...
  • [14:08:47] <ppotera> usbnet can be compiled into the kernel, there a config entry for that
  • [14:08:56] <mcgeagh> hmm, think it is to do with kernel support... found an adapter that gives me an ethX
  • [14:09:24] <ppotera> what's the first byte of the MAC addr of the problematic device?
  • [14:09:25] <mcgeagh> ive got 4 adapters, an apple, davicom, moschip, and some unknown (according to lsusb), but only the davicom gives me an ethX
  • [14:09:51] <ppotera> so your usbnet should be ok...
  • [14:11:01] <mcgeagh> perhaps... but why doesnt it give me an ethX for say the apple adapter?
  • [14:11:21] <muriani> you may not have support for those chipsets in the kernel.
  • [14:11:26] <ppotera> usbnet is a bunch of drivers...snap
  • [14:11:32] <mcgeagh> thats my thinking
  • [14:11:39] <muriani> hm
  • [14:11:41] <ppotera> what's the first byte of the mac?
  • [14:12:26] <mcgeagh> how do i find the mac?
  • [14:12:34] <ppotera> there's a magic bit there that determines if this will come up as usb0 or eth0, but I'm pretty positive all of these should come up as eth0
  • [14:12:42] <ppotera> I was hoping it'd be printed on the dongle itself
  • [14:12:57] <ppotera> s/eth0/ethX
  • [14:13:20] <mcgeagh> i got idvendor,no to it being printed on them,
  • [14:13:31] <ppotera> too bad then
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  • [14:14:23] <mcgeagh> yep, atleast i got one up... its slow but will do for now
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  • [14:56:56] <siji> How to increase the video ram size
  • [14:57:51] <siji> etenv bootargs 'console=ttyS2,115200n8 console=tty0 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootwait rootfstype=ext3 rw vram=0:16M omapfb.mode=dvi:1280x720MR-16@60'
  • [14:58:06] <siji> but still it's showing 1.8 MB only
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  • [15:19:15] <johannes_> hi, is there another board planned, using cortex a9 processors?
  • [15:19:24] <av500> maybe
  • [15:20:03] <johannes_> sounds good :-D
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  • [15:28:58] <Brokie> Cannot build angstrom beagle demo image, because www.geocities.ca/ part is "410 GONE"
  • [15:30:02] <Brokie> NOTE: Task failed: Fetch failed: http://ca.geocities.com/jefftranter@rogers.com/eject-2.1.5.tar.gz
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  • [15:30:12] <av500> it got ejecged?
  • [15:30:16] <av500> it got ejected?
  • [15:30:22] <sakoman_> _koen_: udev build fails for me after your udev/scsi commits: http://pastebin.com/2AgA0DrJ
  • [15:30:26] <Brokie> appatrently
  • [15:30:54] <Brokie> is the git back up?
  • [15:31:24] <Brokie> wow, the git pull was uber fast today
  • [15:32:49] <sakoman_> Brokie: you can snatch a copy of the tarball/md5 from my site to get past that: http://www.sakoman.com/feeds/unstable/sources/
  • [15:33:12] <sakoman_> just copy to your oe source cache and you will be good to go
  • [15:33:45] <_koen_> sakoman_: it seems it needs different scsi headers, but I just did a build from scratch and don't see the error anymore
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  • [15:34:22] <sakoman_> _koen_: hopefully I won't need a clean build to work past this :-(
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  • [15:35:34] <av500> err, wasnt geocities closed like 1 year ago or so? http://geocities.yahoo.com/index.php
  • [15:36:06] <av500> http://projects.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-devel/2009-November/014303.html
  • [15:36:18] <av500> "http://sources.openembedded.org/eject-2.1.5.tar.gz"
  • [15:38:14] <sakoman_> av500: correct, the current OE recipe fetches from that url. I wonder why Brokie's setup is going elsewhere
  • [15:39:43] <XorA> stable branch?
  • [15:39:53] <sakoman_> perhaps
  • [15:40:04] <XorA> but it should still fall back to OE mirror anyway
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  • [16:09:51] <prpplague> anyone using the McBSP's on the beagle's expansion header?
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  • [16:10:38] <XorA> prpplague: erm, we went over this :-)
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  • [16:11:00] <prpplague> XorA: hehe yea
  • [16:11:11] <XorA> I can even point you to a git tree
  • [16:11:14] <prpplague> XorA: just shopping around to see how many people are actually using it
  • [16:12:08] <prpplague> XorA: just curious how many people are actually using the beagle with the McBSP's rather than the alternate expansion header functions
  • [16:12:23] <XorA> prpplague: ah :-)
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  • [16:13:19] <XorA> prpplague: http://git.slimlogic.co.uk/cgi-bin/cgit.cgi/ads117x-oe.git/ which has the fixes to u-boot and a driver :-)
  • [16:15:18] <prpplague> XorA: ahh thanks
  • [16:15:39] <prpplague> XorA: other than you, i've not found anyone who admits to using the McBSP's on the expansion header
  • [16:15:57] <XorA> prpplague: there is at least one other person as he asked me about it on here
  • [16:16:24] * XorA cant remember the nick though
  • [16:18:29] <XorA> anyway offski
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  • [16:18:34] <prpplague> XorA: later
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  • [16:33:14] <Brokie> prpplague: the McBSP's are exposed, but only the slowest ones
  • [16:33:23] <Brokie> the good ones are not exposed
  • [16:33:47] <prpplague> Brokie: right, the question is who, if anyone, is actually using them
  • [16:33:56] <Brokie> its like...
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  • [16:34:23] <Brokie> Lets expose the useless McBSP's, and celebrate that we have them
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  • [16:34:46] <prpplague> Brokie: indeed
  • [16:34:58] <prpplague> Brokie: what would have been your choice on the header?
  • [16:35:31] <Brokie> McBSP-1
  • [16:35:36] <Brokie> but its not exposed
  • [16:36:07] <av500> why useless?
  • [16:36:35] <prpplague> Brokie: hmm, i thought McBSP1 was exposed
  • [16:36:44] <prpplague> isn't it 1 and 3 on the beagle?
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  • [16:37:51] <jkridner> updating http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard/GSoC/Ideas is moving really slow and I need to try to identify mentors today and file the application tomorrow.
  • [16:38:18] <prpplague> jkridner: what are you needing?
  • [16:38:39] <jkridner> right now, I think I primarily need mentors.
  • [16:39:02] <jkridner> then, the mentors can try to follow the templates I'm setting up to better flesh out their ideas.
  • [16:39:12] <Brokie> Mentor* Describe
  • [16:39:21] <jkridner> I could also use some thoughts on how to best categorize the ideas.
  • [16:39:56] <jkridner> Mentor = someone who helps a student define the project, answers the student queries, and gives them a pass/fail performance rating.
  • [16:40:21] <Brokie> What certification do you need for mentors?
  • [16:40:22] <jkridner> It isn't a super-tough job, but you have to be available to the student.
  • [16:40:32] <Brokie> I'm always available
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  • [16:41:07] <jkridner> No certification. See http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors.
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  • [16:55:47] <sakoman_> _koen_: I tracked down the scsi header issue
  • [16:56:33] <sakoman_> it seems that kernel scsi headers are not liked by many user space packages -- they want libc scsi headers
  • [16:57:14] <sakoman_> so I had to rebuild glibc and all was well once glibc overwrote the kernel scsi headers
  • [16:57:30] <_koen_> ah
  • [16:57:41] * _koen_ wonders why those headers are different
  • [16:57:49] * sakoman_ shrugs
  • [16:58:09] <sakoman_> but it explains why they were removed in the previous version of the recipe
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  • [16:58:51] <_koen_> sakoman_: they were only remove for the .ipk, not for the staging pkg
  • [16:59:04] <sakoman_> ah
  • [16:59:05] <_koen_> sakoman_: but with the move to new-style staging do_install is used for staging
  • [16:59:28] <_koen_> and they weren't even removed for all versions, only some
  • [17:00:59] <sakoman_> perhaps it worked just due to a package build ordering
  • [17:01:52] <_koen_> yes
  • [17:02:05] <_koen_> and they got removed from my staging due to the PR bump in linux-libc-headers
  • [17:02:12] <_koen_> so I had no headers
  • [17:02:54] <sakoman_> and now the rebuild of linux-libc-headers overwrites the glibc versions and breaks user space apps :-)
  • [17:03:10] <sakoman_> some days you can't win!
  • [17:04:08] <_koen_> indeed
  • [17:04:17] <_koen_> maybe XM patches will get into you git today ;)
  • [17:06:21] <sakoman_> this scsi issue cropped up while trying to get a u-boot build going :-)
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  • [17:20:02] <_koen_> sakoman_: kernel patches are mirrored at http://gitorious.org/angstrom/angstrom-linux/commits/beagleboardXM
  • [17:20:41] <_koen_> sakoman_: I need to tweak the top commit a bit, a8 + dsp crashes on load, a8 only is rock solid
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  • [17:27:07] <ynezz> huhu 1.2GHz
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  • [17:43:09] <sakoman_> _koen_: have you done u-boot recipe mods to incorporate the gpsign step for the XM?
  • [17:47:45] <ppotera> sakoman_: what's the gpsign step?
  • [17:48:35] <sakoman_> something new for the XM: http://omappedia.org/wiki/E-MMC_boot#You_can_boot_omap3630_without_x-loader
  • [17:49:27] <ppotera> ah, to make IROM happy
  • [17:49:28] <jkridner> ppotera: it is what is used to configure the device by the ROM bootloader to allow a boot image to load directly into external memory.
  • [17:49:38] <jkridner> yeah.
  • [17:52:10] <av500> sakoman_: that is not new, no? 3630 has same rom code as before
  • [17:52:49] <ppotera> thanks sakoman_ and jkridner
  • [17:52:50] <av500> jkridner: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  • [17:52:50] <sakoman_> av500: only new to those of us not previously using the 3630 :-)
  • [17:53:09] <av500> but it would have worked the same on 3430/3530
  • [17:53:37] <jkridner> sakoman_: av500 is right, the same solution could be used on OMAP3530.
  • [17:53:48] <sakoman_> av500: never knew that
  • [17:54:05] <av500> sakoman_: ti does not tell you all s3cr3ts :)
  • [17:54:05] <sakoman_> then why have we been suffering with x-load?
  • [17:54:14] <jkridner> so, the solution can be back-ported.
  • [17:54:15] <av500> sakoman_: cargo cult
  • [17:54:28] <jkridner> no one took the time to figure out the magic bits.
  • [17:54:33] <sakoman_> sheesh!
  • [17:54:36] <jkridner> it is documented in the TRM, I believe.
  • [17:55:07] <jkridner> instead of figuring out where to put the bits, we just used code to configure the RAM and put in a dummy header.
  • [17:55:20] <jkridner> it is the same header we were throwing onto x-load.
  • [17:55:31] <jkridner> that can have signatures, etc.
  • [17:55:59] <sakoman_> I guess this is the something new you learn every day
  • [17:56:17] <jkridner> getting to all the right information can sometimes be difficult, because some of the ROM bits are proprietary, so on a small team at TI can see them.
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  • [17:56:31] <jkridner> s/on/only/
  • [17:56:45] <av500> jkridner: yes, but configuration header info is public within ti, no?
  • [17:57:09] <Ceriand|work> It's section 25.4.8 in the TRM
  • [17:57:26] <jkridner> i think so. if you'd have asked me a year ago, i would have said that it is possible to figure out what to set the magic bits to, but that it hasn't been validated.
  • [17:57:56] <av500> jkridner: well, you fired the people that knew it :)
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  • [17:59:20] <jkridner> av500: buy more parts quicker next time!
  • [17:59:39] <sakoman_> using this approach does mean that there is a custom u-boot per ram config
  • [18:00:15] <sakoman_> since the magic bits are different for 128/256MB and the various flavors of 512MB
  • [18:00:23] <jkridner> indeed, at least custom .bin.ift file.
  • [18:00:35] <av500> sakoman_: sure, but uboot does not depend on it, they are orthogonal
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  • [18:00:48] <jkridner> they can be the same up to the post processing.
  • [18:01:11] <sakoman_> well, from a user perspective there will be different downloads, so in there mind there will be different versions
  • [18:01:40] <av500> err, but how does xloader handle that?
  • [18:01:53] <av500> there is only 1 xloader today, no?
  • [18:02:21] <ppotera> iirc, the current xloader would not init sdrc properly for xm
  • [18:02:30] <ppotera> mem config regs
  • [18:03:12] <av500> so, same issue
  • [18:03:31] <av500> mem setup is board specific
  • [18:04:47] <sakoman_> av500: of course, but today there are only 128/256 beagles and overos so one size fits all
  • [18:05:01] <sakoman_> that will change in the coming months
  • [18:05:21] <sakoman_> I was just pointing that out
  • [18:05:23] <av500> it will be .ift hell :)
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  • [18:05:30] <sakoman_> indeed
  • [18:05:50] <av500> but at least, xm will have serial connector, so we can swap serial for ift questions :)
  • [18:06:02] <sakoman_> it might be possible to figure out ram config in x-load and auto-configure
  • [18:06:18] <av500> yes
  • [18:06:27] <sakoman_> but I haven't found a client that wants to pay for that and it is not my idea of fun :-)
  • [18:06:44] <av500> most clients hw is pretty fixed, no?
  • [18:06:57] <sakoman_> until it isn't, yes :-)
  • [18:07:31] <sakoman_> just look at Beagle!
  • [18:08:43] <av500> get ti as customer then
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  • [18:10:25] <sakoman_> well, back to work. one of those paying clients needs some attention
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  • [18:17:16] <RHKratos> I'm trying to compile beagleboard-demo-image w/ bitbake and I'm getting a error in libwnck-2.24.0, and the log is saying configure: error: "gdk-pixbuf-csource executable not found in your path - should be installed with GTK"
  • [18:17:47] <Guest94894> hello to all!
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  • [18:20:24] <anunakin> any help on how to build mplayer with omapfb?
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  • [18:23:29] <Guest94894> it seems that nobody is on-line!!
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  • [18:30:26] <mamin> hi. I have Beagle Rev.c2+ angstrom+ busybox. I set usb0 interface with the ifconfig command, but when did ping I got the message "ping: sendto unreachable host", or someth. like that
  • [18:31:13] <mamin> does that mean the kernel doesn't support ethernet?
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  • [18:31:36] <mamin> Ip and netmask adresses are set properly
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  • [18:39:59] <thurbad> mamin, a nameserver/dns server configured
  • [18:40:30] <thurbad> this should be configured in /etc/resolv.conf
  • [18:41:16] <thurbad> and to make sure it sticks across reboots, you need to delete /etc/resolv.conf first, then vi a new copy
  • [18:41:50] <thurbad> then there's the HOST os side of things
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  • [18:42:17] <mamin> excuse me, but I don't address the machine by name. I do just "ping 172.16.11.200" from Beagle, or "ping 172.16.11.99" from host. "host is unreachable" in both cases.
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  • [18:42:34] <mamin> please, correct, If I am arguing wrongly
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  • [18:43:25] <thurbad> ok, then fix the host OS configuration first
  • [18:43:30] <thurbad> what is your host OS?
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  • [18:44:05] <mamin> Ubuntu 9.10 (or 9.04). I haven't that compuer here right now
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  • [18:46:19] <mamin> do I still need to edit "/etc/resolve.conf". I was able to transfer files on my previous configuration ... But here I get this error messages
  • [18:47:34] <thurbad> not if you have an ip address
  • [18:48:38] <thurbad> but... if you want to use like 'ping google.com' that file tells the computer how to find google.com
  • [18:49:07] <thurbad> by host I mean the computer at the other end of your USB cable
  • [18:49:27] <mamin> :)
  • [18:49:39] <thurbad> and there's no e on resolv... intentionally misspelled I guess you could say
  • [18:49:58] <mamin> I know what the host is, and what purposes /etc/resolve needs for
  • [18:50:01] <mamin> thank you
  • [18:50:18] <thurbad> ok, just being thorough
  • [18:50:19] <mamin> ah,ok
  • [18:50:37] <ds2> Morning!
  • [18:51:42] <thurbad> you need to set up the host OS to do NAT translation/masquerading still
  • [18:52:36] <thurbad> first, on the host OS do sudo modprobe cdc_ether; sudo modprobe usbnet
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  • [18:53:34] <thurbad> edit /etc/network/interfaces on the host OS if you haven't already then do sudo ifup usb0 on the host OS
  • [18:53:53] <thurbad> for the actual NAT stuff, I'm lazy and use firestarter
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  • [18:54:57] <mamin> Thank you very much! I'll try! And one more noob question: sometimes I get all messages on the host console, sometimes just on the beagle dvi console, sometimes on both of them. U-boot env. variable "console=ttyS2" is for messages to be outputed on the host console, ttyS1 - on the beagle console, ttyS0 - both of them. Am I right?
  • [18:58:25] <XorA> mamin: no
  • [18:58:32] <XorA> mamin: ttyS2 for serial
  • [18:58:39] <XorA> tty0 for framebuffer
  • [18:58:54] <XorA> you can do console=ttyS2,tty0 to get both
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  • [18:59:54] <mamin> thank you!
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  • [19:11:57] <anunakin> any help on how to build mplayer with omapfb?
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  • [19:13:53] <_koen_> use OE and it will be built with omapfb support by default
  • [19:15:11] <ds2> heheh
  • [19:16:32] <_av500_> ds2: gm
  • [19:18:17] <ds2> _av500_: any progress on covering the swiss alps or equiv with video? :D
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  • [19:20:07] <_av500_> i covered the austrian alps last week
  • [19:22:48] <kerute> are opengl apps supposed to work on ubuntu ?
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  • [19:54:35] <|nfecteD> Brokie: found my sound yet?
  • [19:54:46] <Brokie> no
  • [19:54:53] <Brokie> Working on something else
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  • [20:05:34] <janneg> _koen_, eFfeM1: I suppose you didn't tried to build mythtv svn past r23525 for the BB? this patch is needed http://pastebin.ca/1834299
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  • [20:14:57] <Brokie> |nfecteD
  • [20:15:13] <|nfecteD> yo
  • [20:15:22] <Brokie> |nfecteD, use ./snes9x -fix romname
  • [20:16:16] <Brokie> or
  • [20:16:37] <Brokie> ./snes9x -r 6 -fix romname
  • [20:17:42] <Brokie> lemme know if this fixes it
  • [20:18:00] <|nfecteD> just have to reboot it...
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  • [20:19:22] <damunix> hi
  • [20:19:36] <|nfecteD> Brokie: still crackling away
  • [20:19:42] <|nfecteD> strange
  • [20:22:30] <damunix> does anyone have informations about beagleboard power consumption ? I would be very interesting in data like power consumption at different frequency, etc. I read what I've found on the web, but I could not find any numbers
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  • [20:33:32] <jevin> damunix: i found some figures somewhere, let me see if i can find them again
  • [20:34:20] <jevin> damunix, http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard#Power_management
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  • [20:39:01] <damunix> jevin: I read this, but I'm looking for numbers on different configurations
  • [20:39:13] <torusle> moin
  • [20:39:19] <torusle> aeh. hi.
  • [20:40:41] <robby> Can anyone tell me the limitations (if any) in using this BeagleBoard in a commercial (medical) instrument?
  • [20:41:22] <jevin> robby, is it life-critical?!
  • [20:41:53] <robby> It has potential to be used int he ER, so yes.
  • [20:43:25] <jevin> i would think that youd have to certify the beagleboard as "safe" in some manner
  • [20:43:28] <torusle> robby, I don't know in which country you live.. at least in germany you need a certificate of the hardware if it's connected to a human being in some way. You can of course get such a certificate for the beagle, but it is not cheap.
  • [20:44:19] <jevin> do you need any old embedded linux system? i wonder if there are any firms that produce such a system that has been verified for medical use
  • [20:44:56] <torusle> robby, the usual way to get around this is to buy a certified interface (probe or whatever) that connects to the human and use a optical link to interface with it. That makes it a lot cheaper.
  • [20:45:05] <jevin> i wonder if linux has been deemed safe for any sort of life-critical system
  • [20:45:25] <robby> I'm in the US, but these instruments would be used world-wide. It would, however, not be connected directly to a patient. It would only be used to run diagnostic tests, which would then be used to determine the correct action.
  • [20:45:39] <robby> It would also be running WinCE
  • [20:45:57] <torusle> robby, why not use a wince device that is certified?
  • [20:46:02] <jevin> Ah. Does microsoft provide any vetting of CE for medical use?
  • [20:46:30] <eFfeM1> janneg is that patch needed for 23525? that is the version we have right now
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  • [20:46:55] <robby> I'm more curious from a legal/licensing standpoint being that this is an opensource design and would be sold in a commercial instrument
  • [20:48:04] <janneg> eFfeM1: yes, including r23525. that was the ffmpeg sync and it's actually http://pastebin.ca/1834347
  • [20:49:01] <torusle> robby, that shouldn't be much of a problem. Even if the beagle disqualifies for commercial use you can always use one of the non open source alternatives that don't have the problem. They are 99% code-compatible.
  • [20:49:28] <eFfeM1> janneg: ok, didn't really bump into an issue with 23525 but didn't do in-depth testing
  • [20:50:00] <janneg> eFfeM1: it should have failed to conmpile
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  • [20:50:38] <eFfeM1> it didn't, i'm pretty sure I tested that
  • [20:50:51] <eFfeM1> but will bump to 23710 and add the patch
  • [20:51:26] <robby> torusle, we are trying to reduce the cost as much as possible and are indeed looking at non opensource "off the shelf" solutions as well. But at $150, the beagle is very competitive
  • [20:53:05] <janneg> I pretty sure it fails without the patch. and ubuntu complained. I'll commit it as soon as I have a confirmation that it compiles
  • [20:53:59] <janneg> my OE build is out of date and will take a while to actually compile mythtv
  • [20:55:03] <robby> Another question I had is say that I wanted to design my own SBC based off the beagleboard and in doing so, I modify the existing design and layout to add/remove certain features as necessary. Would that be acceptable, again with respect to legal nature?
  • [20:57:05] <Brokie> |nfecteD, remove the -fix and change the numbers for -r
  • [20:58:01] <eFfeM1> janneg, i have some issues and cannot test it right now
  • [21:01:53] <janneg> np, in a couple of hour's my build tree will probably start to build mythtv
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  • [22:56:28] <exxar> Can anyone answer a few quick questions?
  • [22:57:14] <exxar> No one? :(
  • [22:57:46] <Brokie> sure
  • [22:57:48] <Brokie> Ask away
  • [22:58:19] <Brokie> Better to ask the question, as if you think everyone is paying attention to you, that way, if someone comes in, and can answer it, they will...
  • [22:58:38] <Brokie> not everyone sits here staring at the screen waiting for someone to ask a question
  • [22:59:07] <Brokie> but, most us check in from time to time, and read the previous questions / conversations...
  • [22:59:13] <Brokie> most of us*
  • [22:59:46] <Brokie> exxar: whats your question?
  • [22:59:49] <jacques> lol
  • [22:59:53] <exxar> working on it hold on
  • [23:00:00] <exxar> A little difficult to explain clearly
  • [23:00:07] <Brokie> type slower exxar, you are making me dizzy
  • [23:00:32] <Brokie> lol
  • [23:00:36] <exxar> I'm working on a project that will use two RFID sensors (USB)
  • [23:00:46] <Brokie> whats funny jacques?
  • [23:01:24] <exxar> they need to be attached to the board, and a program will be run on the processor that detects the passage of RFID tags over the sensors
  • [23:01:32] <Brokie> ok
  • [23:01:41] <Brokie> what rfid sensors do you plan to use?
  • [23:01:59] <jacques> that whole exchange was funny
  • [23:02:12] <Brokie> exxar and me?
  • [23:02:27] <exxar> Haven't really decided, one of my questions was which RFID readers are compatible with BeagleBoard?
  • [23:02:50] <Brokie> all if you finger out how to interface them...
  • [23:03:06] <Brokie> You can make the beagleboard wash dishes, if you add the right interfaces
  • [23:03:18] <exxar> Fantastic that was going to be my next question
  • [23:03:20] <jacques> yep
  • [23:03:22] <Brokie> it all depends how motivated you are
  • [23:03:49] <exxar> What kind of sampling rate can the board reasonably handle between two RFID readers?
  • [23:04:27] <ds2> depends on how you wire it
  • [23:05:01] <exxar> More clearly, it needs to be able to detect RFID tags passing over two different readers with a reasonable sampling rate (several times a second)
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  • [23:05:24] <ds2> 0.0000001 per second if you use turtles to transfer the bits between sensor and board; up to much faster if you use other interfaces
  • [23:05:45] <jacques> he did say USB earlier
  • [23:05:49] <exxar> USB
  • [23:06:15] <exxar> Can you give me an idea of the sampling rate I could expect from each sensor? Or am I being too vague
  • [23:06:21] <Brokie> USB, you can use select() and poll for changes on the USB device...
  • [23:06:29] <ds2> it still depends on how you wire it up at the USB side
  • [23:06:31] <Brokie> then it would become an event
  • [23:06:42] <jacques> exxar: do these sensors appear as USB HID devices?
  • [23:06:46] <ds2> for all I know you have a touch pad to detect bits carried by a turtle
  • [23:07:09] <ds2> USB itself has 3 fundamental speeds
  • [23:07:10] <exxar> what do you mean jacques
  • [23:07:30] <Brokie> 12, 240, 480MBPS
  • [23:07:33] <ds2> no
  • [23:07:36] <Brokie> lol
  • [23:07:40] <Brokie> was a shat guess
  • [23:10:33] <Brokie> 1.5Mbps, 12Mbps, and 480Mbps?
  • [23:12:45] <ds2> LS, FS, HS
  • [23:12:52] <Brokie> jacques: can you give a link to the devices you are using? it would help determine methodology
  • [23:12:53] <ds2> but those are the numerical values
  • [23:13:23] <Brokie> as I understand it, the beagle only supports LS and FS through hubs, correct?
  • [23:13:59] <Brokie> Just making sure I didn't hit the crack pipe too hard this morning
  • [23:13:59] <ds2> no
  • [23:14:04] <Brokie> LOL?
  • [23:14:09] <ds2> OTG supports all 3
  • [23:14:12] <Brokie> oi
  • [23:14:16] <ds2> EHCI is well, just EHCI
  • [23:14:20] <Brokie> me and my dang clone
  • [23:14:24] <jacques> I was asking what USB class the devices are
  • [23:14:36] <jacques> HID makes most sense I think
  • [23:14:36] <Brokie> sorry
  • [23:14:53] <Brokie> exxar: can you give a link to the devices you are using? it would help determine methodology?
  • [23:14:54] <jacques> speed is also important to know
  • [23:15:10] <Brokie> yes, most hid devices are LS
  • [23:15:34] <jacques> my guess is that the sensor dynamics will be the limiting factor
  • [23:15:44] <jacques> not USB
  • [23:15:47] <jacques> nor the BB
  • [23:15:51] <Brokie> yep
  • [23:16:04] <ds2> unless the USB interface on the sensor is foo-bar'ed
  • [23:16:10] <jacques> true true
  • [23:16:20] <jacques> I shoulda said "in a sane world"
  • [23:16:31] <Brokie> ya, I have a lib_usb device that just plain dont work...
  • [23:16:46] <Brokie> it works fine on PC, but not on beagley
  • [23:17:19] <Brokie> its an in house license dongle (AVR based)
  • [23:17:50] <exxar> unfortunately I'm probably too far in over my head to give any meaningful help to my own questions
  • [23:18:00] <Brokie> not necessarily
  • [23:18:03] <Brokie> exxar...
  • [23:18:12] <exxar> but the things you've said will be helpful definitely
  • [23:18:17] <Brokie> Please show us what RFID device you intend to use
  • [23:18:21] <jacques> that's interesting. I've messed a bit with USB devices on non-PC platforms. libusb(s) should have endian and alignment issues worked out by now (finally)
  • [23:18:37] <exxar> I don't have a link to it, I'm not 100% sure on the device
  • [23:18:47] <Brokie> make a straight up guess...
  • [23:18:50] <exxar> I've used it in the past but I can't remember the type/brand :(
  • [23:18:53] <jacques> exxar: docs for the device should tell the max rate
  • [23:18:57] <Brokie> guess
  • [23:19:10] <Brokie> planning is 90% speculation
  • [23:19:20] <exxar> Ok, so generally, the sampling rate depends more on the sensor itself than the board used?
  • [23:19:30] <Brokie> yessir
  • [23:19:33] <Brokie> Generally
  • [23:19:40] <jacques> the sensor / antenna / controller
  • [23:19:43] <Brokie> RFID is a slow protocol / iface
  • [23:20:12] <exxar> The sensors are available but I don't have access to them atm
  • [23:20:18] <Brokie> its designed to work in worst case scenarios
  • [23:20:22] <exxar> but that fact is very helpful
  • [23:20:53] <Brokie> Lets speculate...
  • [23:20:58] <Brokie> http://www.parallax.com/Store/Accessories/CommunicationRF/tabid/161/ProductID/517/List/0/Default.aspx?SortField=ProductName,ProductName
  • [23:21:02] <Brokie> Say you used this device...
  • [23:21:24] <Brokie> its a serial device (no new driver needed)
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  • [23:21:34] <Brokie> it sends data to the board at 2400bps
  • [23:21:52] <ds2> uh...errr
  • [23:21:54] <jacques> hmm, I may have been wrong about HID then - USB serial makes more sense
  • [23:22:07] <ds2> Plese use HID and not USB serial
  • [23:22:45] <exxar> Why?
  • [23:22:48] <ds2> USB serial can have a zillion different potential drivers
  • [23:22:55] <ds2> HID is a single class driver
  • [23:23:02] <jacques> yeah good point
  • [23:23:05] <Brokie> I was speculating
  • [23:23:09] <Brokie> ...
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  • [23:24:56] <Brokie> http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8852 this one is FTDI (Driver good)
  • [23:25:32] <Brokie> all the hid based ones I have found are $65 and up
  • [23:25:43] <exxar> yeah cost is an issue
  • [23:26:25] <Brokie> most kernels for BB will see the above one as ttyUSBX where X is the number of USB tty's it has
  • [23:26:46] <Brokie> */dev/ttyUSBX
  • [23:27:44] <Brokie> not disagreeing with ds2 on purpose, but if the cost factor is as pertinant as me thinks it may be, the above sensors are the best bang for your compatible buck
  • [23:28:22] <exxar> we already have sensors, not sure if they will work for our goals but those are good alternatives if they dont
  • [23:28:52] <exxar> We will definitely be using RFID... at this point it's just a matter of finding a board that is relatively cheap, can handle a two-sensor system, and run a simple program which will detect tags as they pass over each sensor. It has to maintain a sampling rate of at least a few samples/second on each reader, and it has to be able to run for about 8 hours a day, 5-6 days a week. Basically, it should be as simple as turning it on in t
  • [23:28:53] <Brokie> if I had more information on the sensors you intend to use... I could speculate in interface models better...
  • [23:28:58] <exxar> sorry for the wall of text
  • [23:29:03] <Brokie> where?
  • [23:29:12] <exxar> I wish I could give you them but I honestly don't know ><
  • [23:29:17] <Brokie> np
  • [23:29:22] <Brokie> You will know eventually
  • [23:29:30] <exxar> that I will
  • [23:29:45] <Brokie> starting a week ago, I live in this room...
  • [23:29:53] <Brokie> i set up a cot in the corner...
  • [23:30:36] <Brokie> so... if you want help... I aim to please....
  • [23:31:52] <exxar> <3
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  • [23:32:24] <exxar> the wall of text I sent is basically a summary of what it is I'm trying to do, in completely non-technical terms
  • [23:32:53] <exxar> so we're basically trying to decide which microcontroller to use based on those "specifications"
  • [23:33:37] <Brokie> BB will work
  • [23:33:50] <Brokie> So will prolly any MC with USB host or OTG
  • [23:34:44] <Brokie> look into MSP430
  • [23:34:48] <Brokie> or beagle
  • [23:35:02] <exxar> that's fantastic. if that's the case than cost is the only issue, and BB is relatively inexpensive. My teammate who handles the technical aspects of setting up BB with our program/readers will be able to ask better questions and respond without looking like an idiot
  • [23:35:18] <exxar> but he's not here ATM :(
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  • [23:40:12] <djlewis_> hi guys
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  • [23:40:37] <Brokie> hi djlewis_
  • [23:41:18] <djlewis_> a little pricey but another rfid alternative.. I2C: http://www.roboticsconnection.com/p-99-redbee-rfid-reader.aspx
  • [23:42:08] <djlewis_> also a bit large and bulky but with a good handsaw ;)
  • [23:42:34] <djlewis_> 335 of 348MB dnld'd
  • [23:42:54] <exxar> a handsaw I have
  • [23:42:55] <exxar> thank you
  • [23:43:04] <andruk> i followed the BeagleBoardUbuntu page and im getting "Unhandled fault: external abort on non-linefetch (0x1018) at 0x40..." errors on booting my BBrC4 help?
  • [23:43:11] <djlewis_> probably could search and find all sort of rfid
  • [23:43:40] <exxar> definitely... we have RFID sensors which will probably work, just looking for the right microcontroller :)
  • [23:44:24] <djlewis_> exxar: you mention steady running. might be some need for a user reset or power switch :)
  • [23:45:07] <djlewis_> bb C4 is supposed to rectify our flakey usb issues, but I dunno, I dont have one.
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  • [23:45:20] <exxar> Well, ideally it shouldn't need to be reset throughout the day, only activated/deactivated at the beginning/end of the day... but if something goes wrong, it should definitely be as simple as that
  • [23:45:42] <djlewis_> yeah! 348MB dnld'd
  • [23:48:32] <djlewis_> burning data cd :)
  • [23:48:56] <djlewis_> Oh, was I not supposed to mention flakey usb :P
  • [23:49:40] <jacques> since you mentioned it ...
  • [23:49:45] <andruk> djlewis_: my BBrC4 is fine with USB. the only issues ive had with it are software.
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  • [23:50:21] <Brokie> is there any way to modify pre c4 revs, to fix USB issues?
  • [23:50:53] <Brokie> besides using a brick?
  • [23:50:59] <jacques> I have seen many posts about USB on C4 - the validation process specifically calls for connecting keyboard and mouse to hub before plugging it in - this works, but USB is supposed to hotplug, and ppl are complaining about the case where devices are plugged into the hub after hub is plugged into board
  • [23:51:06] <jacques> this case does not work for me either
  • [23:51:44] <jacques> but ppl talk in circles - USB doesn't work - works for me following validation procedure -
  • [23:52:07] <Brokie> if the hub is plugged preboot, I can see new devices plugged into the hub, but if I plug in the hub after booting... all shell breaks loose
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  • [23:53:18] <jacques> I can plug in hub post-boot - board enumerates it and sees 7 ports (correct) - when I then plug a USB device into the hub (tried mouse, keyboard, flash stick), the hub disconnects and the USB host port is disabled until reboot
  • [23:53:37] <jacques> this always happens
  • [23:53:53] <Brokie> does changing the debouce cap fix this?
  • [23:54:07] <jacques> I have done no hardware changes to the board as of yet
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  • [23:55:03] <jacques> it could be software - let's say the kernel used in the validation procedure doesn't properly turn on power to the port - bootloader does, but when device is plugged into port, kernel tries to reset device, something goes wrong, and power is disabled / not re-eneabled properly
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  • [23:55:29] <jacques> s/port/hub/
  • [23:56:01] <jacques> I haven't tried a newer kernel yet (not had time)
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  • [23:57:43] <jacques> also, there is never a message from the kernel about disabling the port - on other machines I have seen the EMI ? disabling port message, but not on my BB
  • [23:57:43] <djlewis_> Well I hope exxar reads this, I see he has left.
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  • [23:58:40] <jacques> the kernel in the validation procedure is from before the C4 board. so I cannot see it knowing how to turn on usb host port power
  • [23:59:04] <jacques> as the power is on initially, I assume u-boot did it