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  • [00:11:35] <Crofton> sakoman_, ping
  • [00:18:04] <sakoman_> pong
  • [00:18:11] <sakoman_> Crofton: pong
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  • [00:18:28] <Crofton> I think I found the struct
  • [00:18:30] <Crofton> for mmc
  • [00:19:16] <sakoman_> Crofton: I'm happy to look at your patch if you like
  • [00:20:59] <Crofton> ok
  • [00:21:14] <Crofton> so basically, I would just add the third entry
  • [00:21:23] <Crofton> which will likely be a copy of the second?
  • [00:21:38] <Crofton> except I have cd and wp on gpio's
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  • [00:23:53] <sakoman_> Crofton: hang on, let me take a peak
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  • [00:27:33] <sakoman_> Crofton: if your mmc is 4 bit, and uses say gpio 101 and 102 for cd and wp, and has a 3.3V supply, it would look something like this:
  • [00:27:46] <sakoman_> http://pastebin.com/m5a9ac9b6
  • [00:30:03] <sakoman_> Crofton: u-boot pin mux should already be set up for mmc3 in 4 bit mode
  • [00:30:38] <Crofton> yeah, it is 4 bit
  • [00:30:56] <Crofton> I should give that a try tomorrow
  • [00:31:06] <Crofton> do you have any idea if u-boot will just work?
  • [00:31:56] <ds2> ewwwwwww u-boot pinmuxing
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  • [00:37:23] <sakoman_> Crofton: it should just work. I'm sure you will let me know if it doesn't
  • [00:37:33] <Crofton> :)
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  • [00:41:42] <Aditya__1> aaaanyone here work with IMGLIB?
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  • [02:53:21] <arsenix> Would anyone with Allegro be willing to convert the beagle board layout file into an .ALG file? I am trying to import the layout into Altium and unfortunately it will only import .BRD files if you have Allegro.
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  • [05:08:07] <nilly> hi
  • [05:08:24] <nilly> is it possiblw to use dma from my user program?
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  • [06:15:30] <GrizzlyAdams> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3j1AlXU3sE
  • [06:18:45] <raster> qnx still lives?
  • [06:18:59] <GrizzlyAdams> yeah
  • [06:19:11] <raster> i havent seen qnx make any noise for years
  • [06:19:13] <GrizzlyAdams> its on 6.4.1 now, they plan on 6.4.2 coming out later this year
  • [06:19:18] <raster> been wondering where they have gotten to
  • [06:19:26] <GrizzlyAdams> its in a ton of new cars coming out this year
  • [06:19:32] <raster> aaaah thats where
  • [06:19:39] <raster> thats why it hasnt passed under my nose
  • [06:19:41] <GrizzlyAdams> and its running on cisco routers now
  • [06:19:57] <raster> i've been nose down-bum-up in the (smart)phone space
  • [06:20:36] <GrizzlyAdams> theres some massive cisco router cluster thing that takes up 4x 48u racks and runs on qnx with native message passing between nodes
  • [06:20:55] <raster> sure
  • [06:20:58] <raster> makes some sense
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  • [06:21:56] <GrizzlyAdams> they need to lower the cost of entry though, many of the addons are too expensive for a hobbyist to get ahold of
  • [06:23:30] <raster> last i heard of qnx was that qnx floppy
  • [06:23:41] <GrizzlyAdams> that was sooooo long ago
  • [06:23:52] <GrizzlyAdams> 1996 ish
  • [06:24:58] <GrizzlyAdams> they came out with a free version of 6.0 in 2000 i think, to sort of compete with beospe
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  • [06:26:47] <GrizzlyAdams> qnx boots and shuts down so fast its awesome (i had to slow it down to make that logo stay on the screen for the video!)
  • [06:28:07] <raster> hahaha
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  • [06:38:03] <GrizzlyAdams> i think the dvi framer in the beagle and the dvi decoder in my monitor are causing a 3 second delay in getting a picture :P
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  • [08:34:24] <_koen_> good morning all
  • [08:34:32] <av500> _koen_: gm
  • [08:36:53] <greg___> good morning
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  • [08:40:43] <eFfeM-work> hi
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  • [08:46:57] <greg___> yay just got my beagleboard running ubuntu for the first time. :)
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  • [08:48:51] <gt2000> hello
  • [08:49:34] <gt2000> i am using ti-gstreamer plugin filesystem
  • [08:50:47] <gt2000> when I play aac sample file,after some time audio is stuck.
  • [08:50:57] <gt2000> how to resolve that?
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  • [08:57:15] <av500> _koen_: http://www.zazzle.de/es_ist_im_wiki_tshirt-235464553086176307
  • [08:57:31] <av500> _roger_: gm, any info on syslink I could have=
  • [08:57:32] <av500> ?
  • [09:02:14] <_roger_> hi av500!
  • [09:02:25] <_roger_> sure I'll dig something out for you
  • [09:03:58] <av500> thx
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  • [09:41:27] <andruk> what does rootstock do?
  • [09:43:24] <andruk> well, let me ask a more pertinent question...
  • [09:44:04] <andruk> i have run rootstock, and yet nothing in my current directory has changed. does rootstock output any files or anything?
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  • [09:50:46] <sharief> Hello
  • [09:51:01] <sharief> I am trying to cross compile dbus for my omap processor
  • [09:51:07] <sharief> but i am getting some eeror
  • [09:51:12] <mru> I wouldn't recommend doing that
  • [09:51:12] <sharief> can anyone help me
  • [09:51:17] * mru is not a fan of dbus
  • [09:51:17] <XorA> possibly
  • [09:51:37] <XorA> is the error about dbus trying to run itself during build?
  • [09:51:58] <sharief> during configuration i am getting this error "checking for XML_ParserCreate_MM in -lexpat... no configure: error: Could not find expat.h, check config.log for failed attempts "
  • [09:52:13] <sharief> but i installed libexpat already
  • [09:52:21] <sharief> still i am getting this error
  • [09:53:00] <XorA> youll need to make sure your CFLAGS point to expat
  • [09:53:09] <XorA> and LDFLAGS
  • [09:53:25] <XorA> we normally suggest OE to cure cross compile headaches :-)
  • [09:53:43] <sharief> OE means?
  • [09:53:53] <XorA> www.openembedded.org
  • [09:54:09] <XorA> or if you nip to angstrom www.angstrom-distibution.org
  • [09:54:22] <XorA> you can find we already have images for beagles
  • [09:54:55] <_koen_> or use narcissus :)
  • [09:55:05] <sharief> oh
  • [09:55:23] <XorA> _koen_: didnt you link naarcissus from the homepage?
  • [09:55:30] <_koen_> I think I did
  • [09:55:42] <_koen_> XorA: I also suggested OE yesterday to sharief :)
  • [09:55:54] <sharief> really
  • [09:56:08] <sharief> _koen_ , i didnt see it
  • [09:56:11] <sharief> sorry
  • [09:56:13] <XorA> _koen_: but no-one trusts you :-)
  • [09:56:25] <XorA> _koen_: you work for the man afterall
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  • [09:59:22] <_koen_> yeah
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  • [10:02:47] <nilly> any one aware of using DMA from user program?
  • [10:02:56] <mru> yes
  • [10:03:04] <nilly> I want to use dma from user program
  • [10:03:08] <av500> use it
  • [10:03:11] <mru> oh, I could never have guessed
  • [10:03:12] <nilly> hi mru
  • [10:03:12] <av500> its feee
  • [10:03:14] <av500> free
  • [10:03:24] <mru> yes, fees are payable to me
  • [10:03:25] <av500> until 2016 at least..
  • [10:03:44] <nilly> by sysfs ?
  • [10:03:52] <av500> paypal!
  • [10:03:52] <mru> easiest way is to install the cmem and sdma modules from TI
  • [10:04:08] <av500> nilly: what mem do you want to dma to/from?
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  • [10:05:28] <andruk> XorA: http://www.angstrom-distibution.org/ <-- I do not think that goes where you think it goes...
  • [10:05:38] <nilly> want to copy data from decoder buffer to display buffer and remove memcopy...
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  • [10:05:58] <XorA> andruk: spell it right then :-)
  • [10:05:59] <mru> nilly: http://software-dl.ti.com/dsps/dsps_public_sw/sdo_sb/targetcontent/linuxutils/index.html
  • [10:06:29] <av500> nilly: no need, use decoder buffer to display
  • [10:07:02] <nilly> directly?
  • [10:07:06] <av500> yes
  • [10:07:29] <av500> assuming decoder buffer is YUV422
  • [10:07:38] <mru> still needs cmem
  • [10:07:49] <mru> err.. that might not be so easy
  • [10:08:02] <nilly> any way can convert it in 422
  • [10:08:12] <av500> nilly: what decoder?
  • [10:08:13] <mru> what does the decoder output?
  • [10:08:31] <av500> mru: video of cat, no?
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  • [10:08:49] <mru> The Cat?
  • [10:09:07] <mru> where did it get a video of the cat?
  • [10:09:10] <av500> u have one?
  • [10:09:56] <mru> no cat here
  • [10:10:40] <av500> no video either? :(
  • [10:11:00] <mru> not of the cat
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  • [10:14:24] <andruk> i just ran is there any reason rootstock would run without giving me any files in my current directory?
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  • [10:14:49] <andruk> here's the commands and output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/377491/
  • [10:14:59] <sharief> XorA:i am confused
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  • [10:15:47] <sharief> XorA, can you help me
  • [10:16:02] <sharief> i export CFLAG correctly
  • [10:16:18] <sharief> again i am getting nthe same erroe
  • [10:17:28] <XorA> it says it cant find expat.h which means it didnt install or CFLAGS is wrong
  • [10:18:04] <XorA> sharief: no privates Im at work
  • [10:18:07] <sharief> XorA, my prefix directory is "/mnt/omap/nfs-develop/usr/local
  • [10:18:18] <sharief> ok
  • [10:18:37] * _koen_ still suggests using OE to build stuff
  • [10:18:58] <sharief> i export CFLAG=/mnt/omap/nfs-develop/usr/local/include
  • [10:19:05] <mru> yeah, if you can't fix stuff like that yourself OE is a good choice
  • [10:19:08] <sharief> the expat.h is there
  • [10:19:29] <andruk> rootstock runs but doesnt give me a rootfs tarball: http://paste.ubuntu.com/377491/ help?
  • [10:20:06] <XorA> CFLAGS should be along the lines of -I/mnt/omap/nfs-develop/usr/local/include
  • [10:21:13] <sharief> you mean,export CFLAG=$CFLAG:-I/mnt/omap/nfs-develop/usr/local/include?
  • [10:22:15] <XorA> no, you need spaces in there
  • [10:22:22] <XorA> CFLAGS is passed direct to gcc line
  • [10:22:38] <sharief> spaces mena?where?
  • [10:22:47] <sharief> spaces mean?where?
  • [10:22:55] <XorA> sharief: you dont use linux do you?
  • [10:23:06] <XorA> sharief: I mean before you started this
  • [10:23:19] <sharief> XorA, I am learning the things
  • [10:23:35] <XorA> sharief: then go read up on gcc and CFLAGS and LDFLAGS using googe
  • [10:23:51] <XorA> sharief: Im afraid unless I charge by the hour I dont have time to do a tutorial now :-)
  • [10:24:58] <sharief> XorA,ok
  • [10:25:23] <XorA> sharief: its quite easy when you work out the tricks
  • [10:25:33] <XorA> sharief: OE is easier though as we already did the hard work
  • [10:25:43] <XorA> sharief: are you doing this for business or pleasure?
  • [10:26:04] <sharief> This is my business
  • [10:26:23] <sharief> XorA,This is my task to complete
  • [10:26:59] <sharief> XorA, But i struck from last 3days
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  • [10:27:13] <sharief> XorA, Trying to fnd the solution but i cant
  • [10:27:34] <XorA> sharief: If you were to use OE you could have a complete gnome desktop compiled for beagle in 4-8 hours, which you could spend drinking coffee
  • [10:27:54] <XorA> sharief: using narcissus it would be done in 10 mins :-) but that would be pre-compiled stuff
  • [10:28:15] <sharief> XorA, narcissus?what is this?
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  • [10:28:35] <XorA> sharief: an embedded image creator that koen wrote
  • [10:28:49] <XorA> sharief: you answer some simple questions and it gives you something to flash
  • [10:28:54] <sharief> XorA, Oh ok ok
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  • [10:29:15] <sharief> XorA, Could you please send me the the link
  • [10:29:29] <XorA> erm, guys help, I can never spell narcissus right
  • [10:29:29] <gt2000> hello,
  • [10:30:44] <sharief> XorA, Actually the problem is i have to do the work only though this.
  • [10:30:46] <gt2000> I want to use Narcissus online build utility with gstreamer-ti plugin
  • [10:30:56] <sharief> XorA, I should not got for OE
  • [10:31:05] <gt2000> which option is use for that?
  • [10:31:21] <av500> sharief: so?
  • [10:31:34] <XorA> sharief: your work actually told you to sweat bullets?
  • [10:31:48] <XorA> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/narcissus/
  • [10:32:14] <sharief> av500:thats why i didnt use OE
  • [10:32:21] <av500> why?
  • [10:32:40] <sharief> av500, its all rules
  • [10:32:46] <av500> lol
  • [10:32:57] <XorA> poor sharief you need beer man
  • [10:33:00] <av500> sharief: so you are told to not use good tools for your work? good luck
  • [10:33:30] <XorA> sharief: where are you then?
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  • [10:33:38] <XorA> sharief: in the world
  • [10:33:46] <XorA> sharief: just out of interest to know more people
  • [10:34:10] <sharief> XorA,INDIA
  • [10:35:00] <sharief> av500:I have to do work which will be not easy to do. Then only i can get more knowledge
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  • [10:35:29] <_koen_> gt2000: platform specific pakcages -> gstreamer to TI
  • [10:35:35] <sharief> XorA,what happened?
  • [10:37:23] <XorA> sharief: ahah, your learning, then your on the right path, google is your friend
  • [10:38:01] <sharief> XorA,yes but i am searching for last 3 days. I didnt get it
  • [10:38:27] <av500> sharief: from what you tell us, I conclude that youi have to take a step back
  • [10:38:28] <gt2000> thanks,any other package select ?
  • [10:38:55] <sharief> av500, step back mean?
  • [10:39:03] <av500> start simpler
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  • [10:39:32] <sharief> av500,
  • [10:39:38] <av500> not diving into crosscompiling for the BB with little knowledge about it...
  • [10:39:42] <sharief> This is task to complete
  • [10:40:10] <sharief> av500, If i get any clue definitly i can do
  • [10:40:44] <av500> sharief: sure, but walking you thru the process here is not the real fun for anybody involved...
  • [10:41:27] <sharief> av500, That i know. I just want to know what will be problem.
  • [10:48:49] <eFfeM-work> sharief, the problem is easy, who is paid more, the manager or the developer ?
  • [10:49:16] <eFfeM-work> (said the poor developer)
  • [10:49:41] <eFfeM-work> if the manager, then act like a manager and hire e.g. XorA to do the work for you :-)
  • [10:49:53] <eFfeM-work> (btw XorA as your agent you owe me 10% :-) )
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  • [10:51:49] <sharief> eFfeM-work, Now how it is possible?
  • [10:53:40] <eFfeM-work> how is what possible? that the manager earns more than the developer? Don't ask me, I'm a developer so I haven't figured that out yet. Or did you mean how to hire XorA? Just ask him how to do so :-)
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  • [10:56:27] <XorA> hiring me is easy, you goto www.slimlogic.co.uk and send an email to the contact address
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  • [10:58:26] <av500> or just join #beagle-guns-for-hire
  • [10:58:37] * XorA shoots av500
  • [10:58:50] <Vahue> is that a real channel?
  • [11:00:02] <Vahue> hmm banned
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  • [11:20:17] <jamsen> haha
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  • [11:33:55] <Nilly> mru & av500:thank you for the link....sorry my net was down...
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  • [11:34:30] <av500> Nilly: what decoder do you use?
  • [11:35:53] <Nilly> mpeg12
  • [11:36:34] <av500> arm? dsp?
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  • [12:22:38] <XTC> Hello everyone ... again.
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  • [12:27:55] <XTC> Recently I've asked about building my own kernel with OE.
  • [12:28:38] <XTC> I've managed to do so... in fact I'm bit lost in all this OE since it's something huge for me.
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  • [12:28:50] <XTC> I've managed to compile default kernel for BB
  • [12:29:20] <XTC> but looks like it's not compatibilie with my ubuntu's rootfs?
  • [12:29:51] <XTC> it boots but with lack of /dev/pty
  • [12:29:55] <XTC> and /dev/shm
  • [12:30:52] <XTC> I think I'm rather familiar with PC kernel compilation and I've got few points that I cant link together when it comes to OE.
  • [12:32:05] <cwillu_at_work> XTC, rcn-xx (here or in #ubuntu-arm) has some scripts to build a kernel that works with ubuntu's userspace. Really, it's nothing more than the right set of config options, there's not really any magic to it
  • [12:32:31] <cwillu_at_work> he builds them in a qemu-img, but if you've got the toolchain built to cross compile, that works too (that's what I'm using)
  • [12:32:48] <XTC> Should I copy System.map-.... to /boot on my EXT3 root partition? The kernel itself is on FAT partition so there is no need to copy it to /boot dir?
  • [12:33:20] <cwillu_at_work> no, but make sure you've got the modules loaded into /lib/modules, and do a depmod
  • [12:33:33] <cwillu_at_work> don't think that's what you're running into though
  • [12:33:38] <XTC> cwillu_at_work: that was the first think I've tried but I've came into trouble with not patched kernel sources and configs.
  • [12:33:48] <cwillu_at_work> might be as simple as /etc/init.d/udev start or start udev depending on which version of ubuntu you're using
  • [12:33:59] <cwillu_at_work> XTC, hence my mentioning of rcn
  • [12:34:10] <cwillu_at_work> because he's tracking the necessary patches
  • [12:35:13] <cwillu_at_work> http://www.rcn-ee.net/deb/kernel/beagle/
  • [12:35:46] <cwillu_at_work> 2.6.32.7-x7.1 and later should give you a stable ehci on rev c4 (and maybe earlier, haven't tried yet)
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  • [12:41:36] <Nilly> hi av500
  • [12:42:19] <Nilly> av500:sorry my net is not wrking propely so i am connecting and disconnecting to the group....
  • [12:43:13] <Nilly> In sdam code dma transfer code is not present...
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  • [12:44:41] <XTC> cwillu, ok, maybe I'll look at that but for now I want to settle some things down... I've just switched to OE and I don't have reason to drop it since my previous tries using QEMU failed.
  • [12:45:34] <XTC> I don't know if lack of /dev/pty and /dev/shm is crucial to my problem - my ubuntu boots just like in single-user mode.
  • [12:45:35] <cwillu_at_work> XTC, well, if you're using an ubuntu userspace anyway, you might as well use an already-known-to-be-working-kernel
  • [12:46:01] <XTC> It can't mount rootfs but then after loging in I can remount it with RW option ...
  • [12:46:27] <cwillu_at_work> ah, you don't have a battery on your beagle, do you
  • [12:46:28] <XTC> then when I do "init 2" I've got console and can even start my XFCE4
  • [12:46:33] <XTC> nope
  • [12:46:40] <cwillu_at_work> seriously, just use rcn's kernel packages, it'll make your life easier :p
  • [12:47:08] <XTC> no way - I've heard EXACTLY the same statement advertising OE as "ultimate solution" :D
  • [12:47:14] <cwillu_at_work> no, you didn't
  • [12:47:43] <cwillu_at_work> if you're using an ubuntu userspace, then using oe to build the kernel is just asking for trouble
  • [12:48:01] <cwillu_at_work> not that you can't do it, as I said, I build my kernel's using a toolchain built that way
  • [12:48:19] <cwillu_at_work> but if all you want is a properly booting ubuntu userspace, just use a properly ubuntu'ized kernel
  • [12:48:29] <cwillu_at_work> you'll be up and running in ten minutes
  • [12:49:13] <XTC> Yes - with standard kernel it was straightforward, the problem arised when I wanted to change some MUX to activate SPI
  • [12:49:18] <cwillu_at_work> I don't understand why _so_ many people try to do things the hard way the first time
  • [12:49:44] <XTC> then I needed kernel sources for my own wersion, then get into trouble :(
  • [12:49:50] <cwillu_at_work> okay, but you're still in a world of mixing approaches :)
  • [12:50:03] <cwillu_at_work> don't mix your approaches until you're familiar with both of them free-standing
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  • [12:50:48] <cwillu_at_work> all that said, you're using the config out of /proc/config.gz when you configure right?
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  • [12:51:08] <cwillu_at_work> where /proc/config.gz is from a working boot even if it doesn't have the feature you want enabled
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  • [12:51:20] <hrw> morning
  • [12:51:34] <cwillu_at_work> stabbity stab
  • [12:52:33] <XTC> I don't think so since I do crosscompile on my machine and enable config.gz in kernel by default
  • [12:52:45] <XTC> my defconfig is based on OE scripts for beagleboard
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  • [12:53:48] <XTC> I don't want deb kernel image... I want to be able to compile my own kernel - so I took OE toolchain.
  • [12:54:21] <XTC> anyway I wouldn't mind dropping ubuntu and setting up standard debian distribution like lenny
  • [12:54:53] <XTC> but for now it's way above my knowledge what can I really do in OE.
  • [12:55:17] <hazamin> good day
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  • [13:00:54] <XTC> ok, but could anyone point me in some direction? What sould I look for?
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  • [13:01:41] <XTC> "take this" is not a solution for me since I'm bit tired of trying... I'd prefer to know what I should do and what's going on...
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  • [13:07:56] <XorA> beagle kernel config from OE has muxing disabled
  • [13:09:51] <XTC> XorA - I know but that's the reason I've selected to use OE to build my kernel - to have it's sources that I can modify - as well as config itself.
  • [13:10:33] <XorA> muxing is so much easier in u-boot :-)
  • [13:10:45] <XTC> first of all I'm bit supprised why at boot my EXT3 partition is detected and can't be mounted properly although I can remount it easily in rw mode.
  • [13:10:52] <XorA> but Im lost as to what you are actually asking, I tried reading back and dont get your drift
  • [13:11:08] <av500> XorA: now you just need to add a way for the kernel to call uboot for runtime muxing....
  • [13:11:24] <XTC> I've tried to set it in uboot - with no result
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  • [13:11:53] <XTC> ok - everything comes to "build your own kernel" ... fine - I'm trying to do just that
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  • [13:12:25] <XTC> I've build standard OE bb kernel to test if it boots (without MUX changes etc).
  • [13:12:50] <XorA> get your kernel source. do make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=/path/to/angstrom/angstrom-arm-linux- oldconfig
  • [13:13:07] <XorA> make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=/path/to/angstrom/angstrom-arm-linux-
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  • [13:15:11] <XTC> I've tired this and the result was kernel that didn't boot...
  • [13:15:37] <XTC> then I've came here and I heard "drop it all - don't look for the trouble - get OE"
  • [13:16:03] * XorA has never had an issue building a kernel like that
  • [13:16:38] <XTC> but what distribution You use? Angstrom? I need something bigger so I've chosen ubuntu.
  • [13:16:58] <XorA> XTC: host distro doesnt matter
  • [13:17:24] <XorA> XTC: if your talking distro on beagle Ubuntu is probably always the wrong choice
  • [13:17:52] <XTC> Yes - I'm talking about distro on BB not on host.
  • [13:18:06] <XTC> on host I use Debian Lenny but I do understand it doesn't matter.
  • [13:18:14] <cwillu_at_work> XorA, an interesting opinion :p
  • [13:18:35] <XorA> cwillu_at_work: Ubuntu is next to useless on x86, I wouldnt recomend it to my worst enemy
  • [13:18:42] <buZz> i'm running gentoo on both host as my IGEPv2
  • [13:18:52] <cwillu_at_work> XorA, which screens off your opinions of it on any other platform :p
  • [13:18:57] <XorA> I was just about to say gentoo is very popular here
  • [13:19:05] <buZz> using icecream for distributed compilation
  • [13:19:22] <XorA> cwillu_at_work: Well its fucked on a platform it supports, I hate to think how bad it is on a platform it doesnt
  • [13:19:27] <XTC> superb... all I needed was some small war on distributions... :[
  • [13:19:35] <cwillu_at_work> heeh
  • [13:19:48] <buZz> hrhr
  • [13:21:04] <XorA> XTC: I can understand the need/want for something that is not Angstrom, I would probably choose in order Gentoo, Debian, Fedora
  • [13:21:23] <cwillu_at_work> I'm not intending a war, but it's a valid point that if you already think x is useless, than saying x is useless for y in particular isn't really surprising. It doesn't add any additional weight, you've already made the strongest point you can by saying it's useless in general.
  • [13:21:26] <buZz> i'm kinda intimidated by angstrom
  • [13:22:29] <cwillu_at_work> it's like saying vb is useless for writing operating systems when you've already stated that vb is useless in general
  • [13:22:54] <av500> guys, distro wars are in #meego
  • [13:23:02] <av500> catch it live now
  • [13:23:08] <XorA> I thought meego was a distro in itself :-)
  • [13:23:20] <av500> not an image?
  • [13:23:22] <cwillu_at_work> some people get drunk and start trolling. I stay up 20 hours and drink coffee and do what comes naturally :)
  • [13:23:43] <XorA> meego you stay :-)
  • [13:24:03] <XTC> yea yea yea... "take this it will work"... sorry for that but spare me advices like this. My question is plain and simple. What can cause inability to mount / EXT3 partition during boot, mounting it read only and causing the lack of /dev/pty and /dev/shm ... my system goes then in something like single user mode - then after root login I can remount my / in RW mode and even start my XFCE4.
  • [13:24:06] <cwillu_at_work> av500, I'm waiting for the promised distro-on-distro action
  • [13:24:16] <av500> gee
  • [13:24:22] <av500> pls dont ask you money back :)
  • [13:24:47] <cwillu_at_work> XTC, the lack of a real-time-clock, coupled with a known issue where ext thinks it's been decades since the mount was fsck'd
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  • [13:25:00] <XorA> XTC: misconfigured udev and fstab
  • [13:25:28] <XTC> ok...this sounds like clue.
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  • [13:25:35] <jj> what are the peripherals required for beagleboard
  • [13:25:48] <dougztr> XTC: I'm trying to come up with a workaround for that
  • [13:25:53] <XorA> udev should manage most of /dev but I think you still need to mount devpts and devshm on top of that
  • [13:26:02] <XorA> but I could be out of date
  • [13:26:05] <dougztr> XTC: read a file very early in the boot process and set the clock
  • [13:26:53] <cwillu_at_work> if you mount it ro initially, the fsck will run (on every single boot), and then things will get remounted rw on success iirc
  • [13:27:06] <cwillu_at_work> not really useful, that :p
  • [13:27:27] <XorA> is ubuntu maybe using devtmpfs in karmic? Ive never looked?
  • [13:27:32] <ogra> note that ubuntu in lucid requires devtmpfs support in the kernel
  • [13:27:36] <dougztr> XTC: what I do now from a poweroff is set the date "date -s "2010-02-16 08:27" then "hwclock -w" then reboot
  • [13:27:42] <XorA> ogra: hah snap :-D
  • [13:27:48] <ogra> (in case XTC is using lucid :) )
  • [13:28:12] <ogra> karmic didnt need it, lucid needs it for the boot speed specs
  • [13:28:19] <XorA> _koen_: hurry up and finish yah devtmpfs Angstyrom work :-)
  • [13:29:17] <ogra> note also that ubuntu works around that in initramfs ... i.e. if you use an initramfs you are good without it in the kernel
  • [13:29:45] <_koen_> XorA: it's already in :)
  • [13:29:45] <dougztr> thats what i need to set up here, i have gentoo with openrc
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  • [13:30:27] <XorA> XTC: see you need the distro war to wake people up :-D
  • [13:30:36] <dougztr> i'm not real good with initramfs
  • [13:30:49] <XorA> dougztr: OE can make them :-D
  • [13:31:03] <mru> all this talk about lucid is confusing
  • [13:31:09] <dougztr> XorA: yeah i should install the OE kit one of these days
  • [13:31:25] <dougztr> XorA: its always good to have more tools
  • [13:31:30] <mru> but I guess nobody remembers the original lucid nowadays
  • [13:31:39] <XorA> zImage + initramfs makes first bringup easier :-)
  • [13:31:43] <ogra> initramfs in ubuntu is easy ... man update-initramfs
  • [13:31:52] <ogra> you just need the runes for uboot :)
  • [13:32:22] <dougztr> can't you just stick the initramfs right into the kernel?
  • [13:32:41] <XorA> dougztr: you can, thats what I do quite often
  • [13:32:55] <XorA> OE even has a utility class to make that easy
  • [13:35:03] <dougztr> XorA: I've done it before, idk i might be able to get around it even by using a top priority init script
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  • [13:47:23] <dougztr> ls --full-time /var/log/messages | cut -f6,7 -d' ' | cut -f1 -d'.' | date -s - && hwclock -w
  • [13:47:47] <dougztr> that would get the job done maybe, or something similar
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  • [13:50:21] <kk> what are the common peripherals needed for beagleboard
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  • [13:52:25] <ajd> kk: google beagleboard shopping list
  • [13:54:03] <hrw> Guest40776: power and serial - nowthing more ;D
  • [13:54:30] <dougztr> Guest40776: at least get the 5V wall plug barrel plug power supply, don't try using usb for power
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  • [14:07:41] <arsenix> Would anyone with Allegro be willing to convert the beagle board layout file into an .ALG file? I am trying to import the layout into Altium and unfortunately it will only import .BRD files if you have Allegro.
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  • [14:39:09] <dougztr> ok gentoo with openrc has a "swclock" boot service that saves/restores the time in a file, "rc-update add swclock boot" and del hwclock should be all it takes
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  • [14:43:59] <sharief> hello
  • [14:44:14] <sharief> XorA,
  • [14:44:25] <sharief> u there?
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  • [14:44:52] <XorA> hey ShadowJK
  • [14:44:55] <XorA> hey sharief
  • [14:44:58] <XorA> sorry ShadowJK
  • [14:45:15] <prpplague> XorA: greetings earthling
  • [14:45:44] <sharief> XorA, Do you know this error while cross compilaing cairo "configure: error: recommended PNG functions feature could not be enabled "
  • [14:45:52] <sharief> XorA,hai
  • [14:46:53] <sharief> XorA, are you there?
  • [14:47:21] <XorA> sharief: most likely you need to compile libpng first
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  • [14:47:35] <sharief> XorA, Oh i see. I thought
  • [14:47:57] <sharief> XorA, anyway i found the reason for the lat problem which we discuss
  • [14:48:24] <sharief> XorA, That is because of wrong path of LDFLAGS
  • [14:48:39] <XorA> sharief: cool
  • [14:48:58] <sharief> XorA,
  • [14:49:17] <sharief> When i compile libpng i get this error "checking for zlibVersion in -lz... no configure: error: zlib not installed "
  • [14:49:36] <sharief> so i have to install zlib first
  • [14:49:46] <XorA> yres
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  • [14:51:43] <sharief> XorA, but
  • [14:51:56] <sharief> XorA, I get Some error when installing zlib
  • [14:52:00] <sharief> XorA,
  • [14:52:22] <sharief> XorA,cd: 5: Illegal option -- cd /mnt/freescale/nfs-develop/usr/local/share/man/man3; rm -f zlib.3 mkdir: unrecognized option '--host=arm-linux-gnu' Try `mkdir --help' for more information. make: [install] Error 1 (ignored) mkdir: unrecognized option '--host=arm-linux-gnu/lib' Try `mkdir --help' for more information. make: [install] Error 1 (ignored) cp zlib.h zconf.h /mntomap/nfs-develop/usr/local/include cp: cannot create regula
  • [14:52:40] <sharief> XorA,cd: 5: Illegal option -- cd /mnt/freescale/nfs-develop/usr/local/share/man/man3; rm -f zlib.3 mkdir: unrecognized option '--host=arm-linux-gnu' Try `mkdir --help' for more information. make: [install] Error 1 (ignored) mkdir: unrecognized option '--host=arm-linux-gnu/lib' Try `mkdir --help' for more information. make: [install] Error 1 (ignored) cp zlib.h zconf.h /mntomap/nfs-develop/usr/local/include cp: cannot create regula
  • [14:52:54] <sharief> XorA, do you know what will be the problem?
  • [14:53:50] <sharief> XorA, confused?
  • [14:54:13] <dougztr> sharief: are you using OE ?
  • [14:54:32] <sharief> dougztr, no
  • [14:54:44] <XorA> looks like mkdir was called with the arguments for configure
  • [14:55:18] <sharief> XorA, ok for that why it shows error?
  • [14:55:38] <XorA> error is self explanatory
  • [14:55:45] * XorA isnt familiar with zlib building
  • [14:55:48] <sharief> XorA, I am getting this error even i give sudo
  • [14:56:11] <sharief> XorA, ok Xora no probs
  • [14:56:21] <sharief> XorA, ok XorA no probs
  • [14:56:48] <sharief> anybody knows?
  • [15:00:56] <sharief> i think i wont get answer here
  • [15:02:09] <av500> the answer is: "use oe"
  • [15:03:00] <av500> the 2nd answer is "get more linux knowledge before you attempt stuff like crosscompling by hand"
  • [15:03:12] <av500> the 3rd answer is "no"
  • [15:03:20] <XorA> 3rd is read the LFS howto :-)
  • [15:03:33] <XorA> df -h
  • [15:03:51] * eFfeM-work is inclined to paste a random error from one of his builds and ask what is wrong without giving any context.
  • [15:04:00] <av500> eFfeM-work: 42!
  • [15:04:06] <eFfeM-work> obviously giving the command would be too easy and give too much away :-)
  • [15:04:21] <buZz> mkdir: unrecognized option '--host=arm-linux-gnu'
  • [15:04:24] <buZz> lol, sweet
  • [15:04:57] <av500> $(CROSS)mkdir
  • [15:05:15] <eFfeM-work> av500: you sound like one of my colleagues :-)
  • [15:05:27] <av500> gee
  • [15:05:49] <XorA> eFfeM-work: check his IP maybe he is your colleague :)
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  • [15:06:15] <eFfeM-work> nah he has a .de address
  • [15:06:26] <eFfeM-work> sharief: suggest you read this: http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596002220
  • [15:07:05] <XorA> heh even an epub version
  • [15:07:08] <eFfeM-work> actually here is the e-version: http://www.kerneltravel.net/downloads/Building.Embedded.Linux.Systems.pdf
  • [15:07:17] <eFfeM-work> yeah was still typing
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  • [15:08:18] <eFfeM-work> there is also an epub version of the book of Greg KH but he told at fosdem he prefers that people buy paper copies (at least if i recall things correclty)
  • [15:09:25] <XorA> probably gets stiffed on royalties of e versions
  • [15:09:50] * XorA has learned to love his ebook reader though
  • [15:11:20] <prpplague> XorA: i was thinking of getting one to use just for pdf datasheets
  • [15:11:32] <XorA> prpplague: get a big one them
  • [15:11:40] <_koen_> prpplague: you'd need an 8' or larger then
  • [15:11:45] <XorA> prpplague: Ive got the prs-600 and its a touch too small for A4
  • [15:11:56] * _koen_ loves his 5" ereader, but would like a 10" one for pdfs
  • [15:12:17] <_koen_> XorA: is that the one with the glaring ts?
  • [15:12:22] * XorA did reduce a 400M pdf to 28M epub though and was pleased
  • [15:12:37] <XorA> _koen_: doesnt seem at all bad to me, and the ts is nice
  • [15:12:53] <XorA> just need openinkot to support it :-)
  • [15:12:55] <prpplague> XorA: yea the one i was looking at is 6" http://www.coolreaders.com/
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  • [15:15:38] <sharief> fine
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  • [15:31:45] <prpplague> av500 / _koen_ i think we have finalized the features and schematic for the ShowDog
  • [15:31:58] <cwillu_at_work> prpplague, oooo?
  • [15:32:14] <av500> prpplague: cool, can I add my changes then :)
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  • [15:33:20] <prpplague> av500 / _koen_ red led, yellow led, green led, and 5 buttons connected via tca6408 i2c gpio expander, 800x480 18-bit lcd with tsc2007 i2c ts controller, and expansion connector passthrough
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  • [15:33:41] <ahmedammar> hello
  • [15:33:43] <prpplague> av500: now would be the time
  • [15:33:49] <av500> prpplague: 24bit pleeeeeease
  • [15:33:53] <ahmedammar> anyone here using dsplink?
  • [15:34:20] <av500> occasionally
  • [15:34:26] <ahmedammar> I can't get omapdmaifbsink to work with X
  • [15:34:32] <ahmedammar> av500, had any success with that?
  • [15:34:41] <prpplague> av500: 24-bit presents a whole host of problems
  • [15:34:42] <av500> that is not a dsplink related question
  • [15:34:46] <av500> like?
  • [15:34:49] <_koen_> prpplague: looks nice
  • [15:34:59] <_koen_> prpplague: where can I buy one?
  • [15:35:34] <prpplague> av500: price for the lcd and needed data/gpio lines are the primary items
  • [15:35:41] <ahmedammar> ok let me rephrase: anyone manage to get omapdmaifbsink to work with X?
  • [15:35:46] <av500> data lines are there, no?
  • [15:35:46] <prpplague> _koen_: hehe, i'm sure rusty will need a beta tester, hehe
  • [15:36:10] <ahmedammar> I get a segfault: #0 0x402e742c in pthread_mutex_lock () from /lib/libpthread.so.0
  • [15:36:10] <ahmedammar> #1 0x407cde60 in gst_omapfbsink_event_thread (omapfbsink=0x120c08)
  • [15:36:10] <ahmedammar> at omapfb.c:246
  • [15:36:10] <av500> 18bit looks really crappy for video, believe me
  • [15:36:26] <prpplague> av500: yea, but if we want to have the expansion connector pas through we need to only use what is available on the lcd header
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  • [15:36:37] <av500> ?
  • [15:36:54] <av500> so you prefer crappy video over that?
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  • [15:37:40] <prpplague> av500: i got about 75% response rate for people who said 18-bit was good enough vs. 24-bit
  • [15:37:52] <av500> and they have seen an 18bit one?
  • [15:37:57] * _koen_ will take any bits he can get
  • [15:38:10] <cwillu_at_work> av500, I'd imagine a good portion of that 75% has no plans to do video
  • [15:38:10] <prpplague> av500: i doubt it
  • [15:38:11] * av500 passes _koen_ a 0 bit
  • [15:38:14] <_koen_> all my 'embedded' lcds are 16bit
  • [15:38:22] * djlewis assumes it is all for dev work anyway. One can build their own production units.
  • [15:38:23] <_koen_> although I suspect the archos one isn't :)
  • [15:38:47] <av500> 24
  • [15:39:39] <av500> djlewis: yes, as most ppl just love to look at their (blinking) X cursor, I think we can go with 16bit :)
  • [15:39:53] <prpplague> av500: 18-bit
  • [15:40:08] <av500> jaja
  • [15:40:52] <prpplague> with the expansion bus pass through you'll be able to plug a trainer board or zippy/zippy2 board into the back along with the ShowDog
  • [15:40:53] <_koen_> 18bit is a huge improvement over 16bit for things like grays
  • [15:41:10] * _koen_ stabs 5-6-5
  • [15:41:46] <ahmedammar> can anyone help with my problem?
  • [15:41:57] <prpplague> i think the only remaining question we have is how to place the buttons, navigation star, or in a single line
  • [15:42:43] <av500> ahmedammar: #gst_ti
  • [15:42:54] <ahmedammar> i've tracked the problem down to : GST_OBJECT_LOCK (omapfbsink);
  • [15:42:57] <_koen_> prpplague: depends on where they are
  • [15:43:17] <ahmedammar> av500, well from the #beagle logs this subject has come up here before
  • [15:43:19] <_koen_> prpplague: if they are below the lcd -> line, if they are next to it you can go for either line or star
  • [15:43:25] <ahmedammar> gst_ti is dead.
  • [15:43:35] <prpplague> _koen_: yea we were discussing have them below the lcd in a line
  • [15:43:39] <av500> _koen_: ^^^^^^^^^^^^
  • [15:43:54] <av500> ahmedammar: yes, I see that...
  • [15:43:56] <_koen_> av500: people forget texans wake a 10am :)
  • [15:44:38] <av500> ahmedammar: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  • [15:44:42] <djlewis> but while we are begging, 24bit plus alpha channel would be nice :)
  • [15:44:58] <ahmedammar> _koen_, ok :)
  • [15:45:12] <av500> djlewis: alpha?
  • [15:45:13] <ahmedammar> so would anyone know why that lock would be failing?
  • [15:45:18] <av500> you want a transparent lcd?
  • [15:46:24] <av500> ahmedammar: #gst_ti (later today...)
  • [15:46:40] <djlewis> chroma key options
  • [15:46:43] <ahmedammar> av500, ok ok!
  • [15:47:35] <prpplague> <av500> _koen_: ^^^^^^^^^^^^
  • [15:47:38] <prpplague> av500: ???
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  • [16:16:06] <prpplague> av500 / _koen_ one item we were discussing was if we should use the tsc2007 or the tsc2004 for the touchscreen
  • [16:16:53] <prpplague> av500 / _koen_ the tsc2003/tsc2004 have 2 aux analog inputs, and 2 battery sample inputs, where as the tsc2007 only has a single aux analog input
  • [16:17:26] <prpplague> av500 / _koen_ think anyone would want to use the battery input features of the tsc2003/tsc2004 ?
  • [16:18:04] <_koen_> dunno, how hard would it be to add another i2c chip on the expansion board to do the same?
  • [16:18:39] <prpplague> easy
  • [16:19:40] <_av500_> no need
  • [16:20:48] <_koen_> prpplague: there you have your answer :)
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  • [17:23:26] <newb> does anyone know where i can find the mlo_recovery file? the link @ http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardRecovery is broken
  • [17:24:17] * prpplague looks
  • [17:32:50] <newb> does anyone know if mmc recovery work if i can't even get "40T" to show up on my terminal?
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  • [17:42:07] <prpplague> newb: the mmc should work even if you don't have your terminal configured
  • [17:42:14] <prpplague> newb: i'm not seeing any broken links
  • [17:42:24] <prpplague> newb: can you point me to the link that is broken?
  • [17:42:37] <newb> http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/downloads/detail?name=MLO_restore&can=2&q=#makechanges
  • [17:42:58] <prpplague> newb: where is that url listed on the wiki page?
  • [17:43:26] <newb> Thus, you have to use a special (?) MLO for recovery to get a U-Boot prompt. Replacing MLO used above on MMC/SD card with this recovery MLO we get a U-Boot prompt while pressing the user button at power up:
  • [17:43:39] <newb> "this recovery MLO" is where the link is
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  • [17:45:35] <rattubhai> WHY ISN'T my board keep saying NO MMC FOUND ?
  • [17:45:47] <rattubhai> Why God Why
  • [17:46:25] <rattubhai> the thing reads from the mmc and loads u-boot from mmc, but not the damn uImage
  • [17:46:42] <rattubhai> Wrong Image
  • [17:46:49] <rattubhai> Just so frustrating
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  • [17:47:00] <rattubhai> Trying to get this thing to work for four days
  • [17:47:04] <rattubhai> FML
  • [17:47:10] <newb> pprplague: see what i mean?
  • [17:47:42] <prpplague> newb: refresh your page and try again
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  • [17:48:25] <rattubhai> I set the environment variables as required .. to load uimage from mmc and on 80300000 and bootm from that
  • [17:48:28] <newb> pprplague: so it is just the normal rev C version off mmo?
  • [17:48:36] <newb> *MLO
  • [17:48:37] <rattubhai> and set the kernel to grab the filesystem from the second partition
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  • [17:48:49] <rattubhai> yea
  • [17:49:02] <rattubhai> MLO's on my SD card (thats where im trying to boot from)
  • [17:49:17] <rattubhai> its the first file I copied after creating a fresh msdos partition 1
  • [17:49:24] <newb> rattubhai: sorry, i was asking pprplague
  • [17:50:09] <rattubhai> ok then ... glad im not being noticed
  • [17:50:15] <prpplague> newb: yea - http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleboardRevCValidation
  • [17:50:55] <rattubhai> rev c3 files SHOULD work on c4 shouldnt they? coz theres hardly a difference between them in the revision history
  • [17:51:30] <rattubhai> coz i tried c4 files and they were more miserable than when i loaded c3 files .. the c3 files at least have me the beagle logo of the dog
  • [17:52:13] <rattubhai> im hoping installing win CE would be easier .. since thats my plan B of getting an OS running on the board
  • [17:52:27] <rattubhai> anyone know exactly how to get ce on the board?
  • [17:52:56] <newb> pprplague: i tried this MLO already and it will not boot into x-loader even with the user button pressed
  • [17:53:48] <newb> rattubhai: try http://beagleboard.org/project/evmonbeagle/
  • [17:55:21] <newb> my terminal will not even show "40T" and it is not configured incorrectly, it works fine on the other beagleboard i have and it worked fine before i bricked this one
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  • [17:56:48] <Crofton> gm
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  • [17:58:16] <rattubhai> newb: hey i tried looking at that .. on that im no developer and i would need further details .. mind help making sense of that link you sent me just for a sec bud?
  • [17:59:38] <newb> rattubhai: i'm not a developer either, i just noticed that on the beagleboard.org site
  • [17:59:47] <rattubhai> http://evmonbeagle.codeplex.com/ says to install the ce6 r2 source from http://www.microsoft.com/windowsembedded/en-us/products/windowsce/default.mspx ... i don't get it .. what source? where is it?
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  • [18:01:19] <newb> i'm guessing you just download windows CE in the top right corner of the page
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  • [18:02:40] <rattubhai> right .. well i guess ill have to scratch my head a bit more and play around with visual studio ..
  • [18:03:26] <newb> ok, good luck
  • [18:03:39] <rattubhai> thx anyway ..
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  • [18:06:54] <newb> can anyone give some advice? my board is bricked such that i'm getting no activity over UART terminal, will not recover from MMC, no activity over USB, just the PWR LED is on
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  • [18:16:50] <eFfeM> new there is a recovery procedure described on www.elinux.org
  • [18:21:18] <djlewis_> gm
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  • [18:26:31] <_av500_> gm
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  • [18:38:44] <torpor> does anyone know if there is a beagle 'distro' thats set up already with 3D drivers and so on,that i can easily start adding MAME and other EMU's to?
  • [18:38:54] <torpor> or does anyone have a cool image that they want to share?
  • [18:43:10] <prpplague> newb: was your uart working before?
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  • [18:44:50] <dougztr> torpor: i think the SGX stuff is do it yourself right now
  • [18:47:14] <rcn-ee> torpor, it can't be done, read the TI license for the SGX stuff...
  • [18:50:37] <torpor> i get it
  • [18:50:44] <torpor> we have to download an extra package, right?
  • [18:50:58] <torpor> i just wish there were stable distro for the beagle that had everything working ..
  • [18:53:02] <rcn-ee> there is... it's called angstrom.. you just need the ti sgx/dsp stuff downloaded before you issue the bitbake command...
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  • [19:10:04] <Crofton> anyone remember the number for the TRM?
  • [19:10:20] <koen> spruf98[abc]
  • [19:11:00] <koen> oh, there's even a 'd' now
  • [19:11:41] <Crofton> thanks
  • [19:11:44] <Crofton> I forgot the f
  • [19:11:50] <Crofton> spruf
  • [19:12:03] <Crofton> I was searching spru98
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  • [19:26:14] <sakoman_> Crofton: any luck with mmc3?
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  • [19:27:38] <sakoman_> torpor: I have a gnome image that has the SGX stuff included: http://www.sakoman.com
  • [19:28:27] <koen> you can also check the 'powervr drivers' box in narcissus
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  • [19:31:07] <sakoman_> koen: did the eZ430-Chronos stuff ever get released for inclusion in OE?
  • [19:32:11] <_koen_> sakoman_: not yet, but we do have more of those at the office now and marketing now seems to want an "open source" demo for it on TI arm platforms
  • [19:32:25] <sakoman_> cool!
  • [19:32:33] <Crofton> sakoman_, no
  • [19:32:40] <_koen_> will probably take a while to get done since all the people involved are swamped with other stuff
  • [19:32:42] <Crofton> I poked a little and nothing exciting happened
  • [19:32:50] <Crofton> testing important stuff now
  • [19:33:09] <sakoman_> _koen_: perhaps some external folks could help ;-)
  • [19:33:21] <sakoman_> Crofton: good luck!
  • [19:33:38] <prpplague> Crofton: hardware looking good?
  • [19:33:39] <_koen_> sakoman_: I think so, but releasing stuff also takes time :(
  • [19:34:11] <sakoman_> _koen_: understood. I used to work for big companies, so I know how it is
  • [19:34:20] <Crofton> prpplague, yeah
  • [19:34:29] <prpplague> Crofton: dandy
  • [19:34:41] <_koen_> Embedded World demos are taking up a lot of time now
  • [19:34:51] <prpplague> _koen_: i think we are going to do the buttons in a line across the bottom of the lcd
  • [19:35:08] <prpplague> _koen_: the leds across the top along with the reset button at the top
  • [19:35:18] <_koen_> prpplague: sounds good
  • [19:35:27] <_koen_> gpio leds or using some i2c gizmo?
  • [19:35:40] <prpplague> _koen_: i2c gpio expander
  • [19:35:53] <_koen_> sakoman_: did you ever apply a patch to map palo43 keys and buttons?
  • [19:35:55] <prpplague> _koen_: variation of the pca953x that is in the kernel
  • [19:36:14] <_koen_> prpplague: cool, I like controlling leds with the ledclass :)
  • [19:36:15] <prpplague> _koen_: we decided to go with 3 red leds rather than 3 different colored leds
  • [19:36:28] <sakoman_> _koen_: no
  • [19:36:59] <prpplague> _koen_ you'll be able to plug any expansion boards that you normally use with the beagle into the back of the showdog
  • [19:37:01] <_koen_> sakoman_: ok, I'll drag up my old one, although I suspect my boardrev might not support what I want
  • [19:37:20] <prpplague> _koen_: so you can use a zippy or bugboard with the showdog
  • [19:37:21] <_koen_> prpplague: that's nice, although it does force me to port sakomans board ID stuff to beagle :)
  • [19:37:41] <prpplague> hehe
  • [19:37:49] <sakoman_> _koen_: it's on my to do list if you can wait a couple of days
  • [19:38:31] <_koen_> sakoman_: awesome!
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  • [19:38:57] <sakoman_> _koen_: you will have to do the testing though since I don't have a working beagle
  • [19:39:00] * _koen_ put the v4l sensor stuff for the XM on hold
  • [19:39:13] <robtow> Good morning.
  • [19:39:35] * _koen_ kicks qt 4.6.2 while it's still down
  • [19:39:37] <prpplague> sakoman_: the eeprom for the showdog will be on the i2c3 bus instead of the i2c2, this way it doesn't interfere with the detection of the eeprom for expansion boards
  • [19:40:01] <robtow> Hi sakoman, ***_koen, prpplaque, Crofton
  • [19:40:13] <Crofton> gm
  • [19:40:16] <sakoman_> hey robtow!
  • [19:40:16] <_koen_> sakoman_: btw, do you plan on upstreaming your uboot patches?
  • [19:40:19] <_koen_> hey robtow
  • [19:40:22] <prpplague> robclark: greetings
  • [19:40:40] <sakoman_> _koen_: yes, after I get dirk2's blessing
  • [19:40:55] * _koen_ goes to watch some TV while qt (re)builds for the Nth time today
  • [19:40:57] * sakoman_ hates the whole u-boot patch submission process
  • [19:41:12] <_koen_> it's better now Tom is managing it
  • [19:41:14] <robtow> I'm trying to breath deeply, despite frustration. Having more USB problems with rev C4 boards and gPhoto2.
  • [19:41:30] <robtow> And I left my reworked C3 board in California.
  • [19:41:37] * _koen_ needs to secure a C4 to complete his collection
  • [19:42:51] <robtow> After taking a small n of pictures with my attached Canon G10, the USB driver fails, freezes the camera and both the Beagle board and the camera have to be rebooted.
  • [19:45:58] <sakoman_> robtow: musb or ehci? or does it fail with either?
  • [19:48:07] <robtow> ehci
  • [19:48:36] <robtow> I grabbed the new uBoot a couple of weeks ago from Koen's site
  • [19:49:08] <robtow> I don't have the cabling to try musb, never have used that port.
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  • [19:49:30] <robtow> Is anyone else having USB/ehci problems with C4?
  • [19:49:56] <cwillu_at_work> robtow, c4 is the first one I I've been able to run ehci stable for days on
  • [19:50:06] <cwillu_at_work> robtow, needed the right set of kernel patches though
  • [19:50:17] <robtow> New kernel as well?
  • [19:50:23] <robtow> Hmm.
  • [19:50:26] <cwillu_at_work> just a config setting I _think_
  • [19:50:49] <sakoman_> robtow: it would be very interesting to see if musb would yield different results. could help narrow down where the issue is
  • [19:51:13] <robtow> So would musb simply require a different cable?
  • [19:51:19] <sakoman_> yes
  • [19:51:35] <robtow> double headed mini cable.
  • [19:51:36] <cwillu_at_work> <rcn-ee> cool the musb port just passed my stress test..., cwillu_at_work, give http://rcn-ee.homeip.net:81/dl/linux-image-2.6.32.7-x7.1_1.0cross_armel.deb a try... (load the beagle at 100% and transfer many gigs..) make sure "dmesg | grep fifo" returns 5...
  • [19:51:38] <sakoman_> and you would likely need to use a hub too
  • [19:51:59] <robtow> I have a Belkin powered hub
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  • [19:52:23] <sakoman_> then you would just need the cable
  • [19:52:25] <robtow> I'm running 2.6.29
  • [19:52:51] <sakoman_> a more modern kerenl would likely be a good idea too
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  • [19:58:12] <robtow> I started from Koen's "demo image
  • [20:00:35] <robtow> How much more modern?
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  • [20:10:50] <robtow> sakoman - I tried your Gnome image that you gave me a while back, it had even worse USB problems.
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  • [20:14:55] <torpor> sakoman_, thanks for that, i'll check it out ..
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  • [20:18:35] <robtow> uImage-2.6.29-r47-beagleboard.bin is latest one in http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/
  • [20:18:41] <robtow> Any pointer to a leter one?
  • [20:18:44] <robtow> later?
  • [20:19:14] <_koen_> get an image from narcissus and use the kernel that's in /boot
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  • [20:19:55] <torpor> sakoman_, does your image have SGX?
  • [20:20:01] <torpor> or is it easy to install into it ?
  • [20:20:18] <torpor> i'm trying to find an image i can use to set up a beagle as a MAME machine, but i don't want to have to hassle around with it if i can avoid it
  • [20:20:26] <torpor> building Angstrom is not my favourite thing to do ..
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  • [20:23:04] <_koen_> (20:28:27) koen: you can also check the 'powervr drivers' box in narcissus
  • [20:23:14] * _koen_ feels like he's repeating himself
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  • [20:32:06] <robtow> _koen_ sorry to cause uyou to repeat!
  • [20:32:35] <robtow> "from narcissus"?
  • [20:33:00] <mru> we should get koen a parrot for his next birthday
  • [20:33:36] <robtow> narcissus image builder?
  • [20:33:56] <_koen_> robtow: it was meant for torpor, but the quit right before
  • [20:34:24] <robtow> _koen_ so for my own problem, I should try a later kernel from Narcisus image builder as well?
  • [20:34:56] <_koen_> yes
  • [20:35:19] <robtow> It doesn't care about C3 vs C4?
  • [20:35:43] <robtow> Stable or unstable?
  • [20:35:57] <mru> .32-omap1+fixes seems to work over here
  • [20:36:44] <ds2> morning
  • [20:38:13] <robtow> Hello ds2
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  • [20:42:19] <robtow> mru - work for C4 USB?
  • [20:43:29] <mru> didn't try C4
  • [20:43:41] <mru> worked fine on C3
  • [20:43:52] <mru> only used it for networking
  • [20:48:50] <robtow> I left my C3 in california
  • [20:48:50] <prpplague> _koen_: feature creap.........
  • [20:49:15] <_koen_> feature crap :)
  • [20:49:20] <prpplague> _koen_: rusty wants to add a second connector on the showdog show you can use either the 800x480 or 480x272 display
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  • [21:03:12] <Crofton> hmm
  • [21:03:35] <Crofton> without the microsd card, mmc init says no mmc card found
  • [21:03:45] <Crofton> even if I have one in mmc3
  • [21:03:50] <Crofton> mmc init 3
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  • [21:09:42] <_koen_> Crofton: no CD gpio?
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  • [21:12:56] <prpplague> Crofton: might check with a multimeter to make sure the CD signal on your socket is working properly
  • [21:13:44] <prpplague> Crofton: and easy way to test that of course is to disable the mmc driver in the kernel, boot up and export the gpio, you should be able to see it toggle the gpio in sysfs when you insert and remove the card
  • [21:14:42] <ds2> check the pinmux to make sure it is setup as a GPIO with the input stuff enabled!
  • [21:14:46] <prpplague> Crofton: additionally, i find that alot of small proto runs that standard size sd card sockets CD and WP mechanics can get dirty and/or bent so that they don't make good contact
  • [21:15:58] <ds2> or just fake it
  • [21:16:15] <ds2> some el-cheapo MMC sockets don't really have a CD signal :D
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  • [22:10:15] <newb> prpplague: yes, my UART was working before and works on my other non-bricked beagleboard
  • [22:10:18] <sakoman_> Crofton: to be honest I have no idea if u-boot is set up to work with mmc3, I'd have to look in the code
  • [22:10:42] <sakoman_> I take it that linux *doesn't* work?
  • [22:11:14] <djlewis_> going down for reboot...
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  • [22:16:24] <prpplague> newb: bummer
  • [22:16:31] <prpplague> newb: did you short something out?
  • [22:16:40] <prpplague> newb: or use the wrong voltage wal-wart?
  • [22:20:35] * Crofton reads the scroll back
  • [22:21:06] <newb> no, the PWR led still comes on
  • [22:22:15] <newb> pprplague: i think i created the problem by pulling the SD card out while the board was powered
  • [22:23:24] <Crofton> does u-boot need the cd signal?
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  • [22:31:37] <florian> newb: This shouldn not matter... worst case you might get an inconsistent filesystem on this card. Bricking a Beagleboard is more or less impossible.
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  • [22:53:47] * ds2 offers a sledge hammer to prove otherwise
  • [22:56:14] <newb> florian: what should i try? i attempted the MMC recovery and got nothing
  • [22:56:25] <prpplague> Crofton: the bootrom, x-load and u-boot don't look at the CD iirc
  • [22:57:20] <florian> newb: hmm... try a different card
  • [22:58:17] <newb> the card works fine, i have another beagleboard that i've used it on
  • [22:58:36] <prpplague> ds2: i was going to be funny and point you to the sledge hammer wiki page on elinux. but i forgot i deleted it
  • [22:58:55] <ds2> prpplague: hehe
  • [22:58:57] <prpplague> newb: when you boot the beagle you are holding down the user button, correct?
  • [22:59:02] <newb> yes
  • [22:59:13] <newb> nothing happens on my UART terminal
  • [22:59:19] <newb> not even 41T
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  • [23:00:04] <ds2> 40T is what I'd expect... if you see 41T...
  • [23:00:28] <newb> i don't see anything
  • [23:00:49] <ds2> newb: what rev of the board is this again?
  • [23:01:13] <newb> C4
  • [23:01:34] <ds2> how are you powering it?
  • [23:01:44] <prpplague> newb: i'm wondering if the db9 might have a solder problem
  • [23:01:48] <GrizzlyAdams> http://www.case-mod.com/lilliput-869gl80npct-touch-screen-lcd-monitor-p-4786.html <- that i believe is my final screen :D
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  • [23:02:08] <ds2> i.e electrodes being dragged across cat fur, treadmill, etc
  • [23:02:25] <newb> i have tried powering it via the 5V barrel connector and the USB OTG
  • [23:03:09] <ds2> what kind of power did you apply to the 5V barrel?
  • [23:03:24] <GrizzlyAdams> i applied 8v to mine :D
  • [23:03:33] <GrizzlyAdams> magic smoke went EVERYWHERE
  • [23:03:50] <newb> i have a usb to barrel connector cord that i got from that beagleboard store
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  • [23:04:02] <ds2> beagleboard store?
  • [23:04:08] <ds2> anyways...
  • [23:04:12] <newb> specialcomp
  • [23:04:14] <ds2> has the serial port ever worked for you?
  • [23:04:15] <newb> whatever its called
  • [23:04:17] <ds2> Ah that one
  • [23:04:19] <newb> yes
  • [23:04:28] <ds2> and are you using the exact same cable?
  • [23:04:29] <newb> again, i have another beagleboard working fine
  • [23:04:31] <newb> yes
  • [23:04:39] <ds2> 115200 8N1?
  • [23:04:43] <newb> this board used to work
  • [23:04:46] <newb> yes
  • [23:04:56] <ds2> no flow?
  • [23:05:28] <newb> nope
  • [23:05:35] <newb> no flow is what i have
  • [23:06:44] <ds2> okay, what does it do if you have no MMC card and you just power it on?
  • [23:07:04] <newb> same thing, pwr led and nothing on the UART
  • [23:07:32] <ds2> what kind of terminal software are you using?
  • [23:07:38] <newb> tera term
  • [23:07:43] <ds2> ewwwww windows
  • [23:07:56] <ds2> can you use a sane OS with a sane terminal software
  • [23:08:01] <ds2> i.e. Linux with kermit? :D
  • [23:08:21] <newb> yeah, i guess i'll try that
  • [23:08:42] <ds2> I have had issues with terminal software (mostly hyperterm but nevertheless) on windows
  • [23:08:50] <ds2> guessing this is a USB to serial adapter?
  • [23:08:55] <newb> i'm new to lunux
  • [23:09:11] <newb> no
  • [23:09:15] <newb> i have a serial port
  • [23:09:33] <ds2> as in COM[1234]?
  • [23:10:13] <newb> yes
  • [23:12:18] <newb> is it possible that the first stage loader on the beagleboard got corrupted?
  • [23:12:41] <ds2> yes
  • [23:12:57] <ds2> but it needs to be corrupted in a very very specific way
  • [23:13:15] <newb> is there a remedy for that?
  • [23:13:53] <ds2> yes, you change the state of the boot pins to tell it to pull that off something else
  • [23:13:59] <ds2> IOW, use the userbutton!
  • [23:14:54] <newb> so the user button is hardware configured to change the boot sequence, no matter how corrupted the software?
  • [23:15:05] <ds2> yes
  • [23:15:15] <ds2> see the schematics and confirm with the datasheet/trm
  • [23:15:44] <newb> that's discouraging
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  • [23:16:30] <ds2> sure your USB port is providing sufficient power?
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  • [23:16:53] <newb> well it works fine on my other beaglboard
  • [23:17:27] <ds2> are they both C4's?
  • [23:17:29] <dougztr> buZz: are you having lockup problems with the USB driver not being able to reset itself for long periods on the igep?
  • [23:18:02] <newb> the other thing i tried was pressing the user button with the usb cable attached... i used to have my computer recognize the beagleboard when i powered on in that state, but not anymore
  • [23:18:08] <newb> yes
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  • [23:19:04] <buZz> dougztr: not that i've been aware of
  • [23:19:14] <buZz> it seems to me usb devices just stay working, np
  • [23:19:25] <newb> i'm not able to get on the linux machine at the moment, should i use VMware?
  • [23:20:24] <ds2> have you done this: hold down both reset and user with 2 fingers. release reset after about 10 seocnds. keep user held down for another 30 seconds while watching the serial port?
  • [23:20:33] <dougztr> buZz: I get kernel messages right after the lockups hub 1-1.4:1.0: Cannot enable port 4. Maybe the USB cable is bad?
  • [23:20:43] <newb> i'll try that now
  • [23:20:45] <buZz> dougztr: what kernel are you running?
  • [23:20:58] <dougztr> buZz: and hub 1-1.4:1.0: cannot reset port 4 (err = -71)
  • [23:21:11] <buZz> i dont think i get errors like those
  • [23:21:20] <buZz> are you sure its not your usb hub?
  • [23:21:33] <dougztr> buZz: this is with every kernel that i've tried, no idea its a brand new powered hub
  • [23:22:00] <buZz> on the ehci only port? or the other one?
  • [23:22:12] <buZz> i have some old usb 2 hub, but it works fine
  • [23:22:16] <dougztr> buZz: ehci, i don't have a cable for the otg port
  • [23:22:17] <buZz> hardly use it on igep though
  • [23:22:23] <buZz> not much use for it :P
  • [23:22:32] <buZz> well, maybe usb hd ..
  • [23:22:48] <buZz> but ehm
  • [23:22:55] <buZz> maybe the first three ports are fine?
  • [23:23:01] <buZz> or the hub only has 3 ports?
  • [23:23:08] <buZz> its complaining about port 4
  • [23:23:13] <dougztr> this is an 8 port hub
  • [23:23:22] <buZz> did you try the ports?
  • [23:23:36] <dougztr> umm nope
  • [23:23:50] <dougztr> probably should test port 4 then
  • [23:23:58] <newb> nothing
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  • [23:28:12] <newb> ds2: is there any obvious spot i can probe on the board to check for a hardware failure?
  • [23:28:28] <ds2> newb: not really... the UART is the easiest
  • [23:28:43] <GrizzlyAdams> i'm just astounded by the stupidity behind using java in a installshield executable
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  • [23:29:59] <GrizzlyAdams> trying to install a DDK and in order to unzip the ddk to C:\ it has to find java (ooh, i dunno, try looking in the %JAVA% environment var ?) but it takes 30 minutes to search my drives and tell me it can't find java
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  • [23:32:04] <dougztr> buZz: now it won't enumerate the hub at all
  • [23:32:19] <buZz> :/ not on any ports?
  • [23:32:24] <dougztr> nope
  • [23:32:29] <buZz> got another powered hub?
  • [23:32:50] <buZz> or some usb device with builtin hub
  • [23:33:53] <dougztr> i have one in use on another machine, guess i could power it down and try it
  • [23:34:13] <buZz> usb is hotpluggable :P
  • [23:34:14] <buZz> hehe
  • [23:34:21] <buZz> simetimes
  • [23:34:33] <dougztr> its hdd is on the usb hub
  • [23:34:52] <buZz> ah :)
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  • [23:35:13] <dougztr> i've had bad luck with usb hubs, this is the 2nd one that is suspect
  • [23:35:45] <dougztr> what is it about them that fails?
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  • [23:38:53] <dougztr> i have one belkin hub that seems rock solid
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  • [23:43:30] <newb> ds2: txd is at 5.6V DC
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  • [23:52:52] <dougztr> buZz: rebooting fixed the problem (for now). I think my usb-ehci-omap driver is failing
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