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  • [00:15:20] <prpplague> RoHS greetings
  • [00:15:24] <RoHS> hi
  • [00:15:32] <prpplague> RoHS hows life at sfe?
  • [00:15:41] <RoHS> prpplague: you wouldn't happen to be familar with processing by chance?
  • [00:16:08] <prpplague> RoHS you mean processing/wiring libs for arduino?
  • [00:16:27] <RoHS> Processing.org
  • [00:16:28] <RoHS> yeah
  • [00:16:51] <buZz> processing is java, wiring/arduino is C
  • [00:17:14] <ds2> java *choke* *gag* *cough* *scream*
  • [00:17:21] <prpplague> yep familiar enough, i've got a 75% libs for for the libs to work generically with generic embedded hardware under linux
  • [00:17:33] <RoHS> oh wait! got it.
  • [00:17:34] <RoHS> haha
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  • [00:17:49] <prpplague> RoHS there are a number of folks here that are familiar with environment
  • [00:18:10] <ds2> sorry, adverse side effect of staring at tomcat stuff
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  • [00:18:23] <RoHS> ds2 it's gonna be ok. I swear.
  • [00:18:27] <RoHS> embrace it.
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  • [00:18:44] <ds2> all those beans must be generating a lot of gas ;)
  • [00:18:49] * prpplague has his first eval board listing on digikey!
  • [00:18:51] <prpplague> http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?vendor=0&keywords=zippy2
  • [00:19:45] <buZz> congratz :)
  • [00:20:34] <prpplague> hmm, they don't seem to have it listed as beagle accessories though
  • [00:20:51] <ds2> prpplague: congrats!
  • [00:21:06] <prpplague> now if i can get the trainer and showdog on there
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  • [00:23:42] <RoHS> congrats prpplague
  • [00:23:48] <cwillu_at_work> who wants ascii art?
  • [00:24:14] <prpplague> RoHS thanks
  • [00:25:00] <RoHS> ascii art!?! been a long while since I've seen ascii art!
  • [00:25:15] <cwillu_at_work> it's 23 lines. flood it?
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  • [00:25:33] <RoHS> I remember it being mildly amusing.
  • [00:25:38] <prpplague> RoHS http://www.elinux.org/BeagleBoard_Zippy2
  • [00:26:06] * cwillu_at_work waits for explicit consent
  • [00:26:22] <RoHS> nice.
  • [00:26:26] <prpplague> RoHS be dandy if sfe carried the trainer board - http://www.elinux.org/BeagleBoard_Trainer
  • [00:27:16] <RoHS> email it to hillary@sparkfun.com.
  • [00:27:55] <prpplague> RoHS yea i think rusty is talking to sfe, but i don't they've reached any agreements yet
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  • [00:27:59] <RoHS> I know we've been selling out of beagleboards pretty quickly, but unfortunately nobody here has used one.
  • [00:28:09] <RoHS> some times I think our engineers are burnt out.
  • [00:28:31] <prpplague> indeed
  • [00:28:35] <prpplague> it happens
  • [00:28:50] <RoHS> I nearly stole one because I wanted to have it so bad, but I was good and then it sold of for like a month and a half.
  • [00:28:59] <RoHS> *out
  • [00:29:45] <prpplague> yea
  • [00:30:02] * buZz is still sad he hasn't bought the beagle instead of igepv2
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  • [00:30:15] <buZz> even though it has sweet onboard lan/wifi/bt/moar ram and flash
  • [00:30:27] <buZz> it has no tested svideo output :/
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  • [00:31:44] <RoHS> ah, crap. I have to go get my jeep from the shop...sadly it's a beagleboards worth of repairs
  • [00:31:53] <prpplague> doh
  • [00:32:03] <cwillu_at_work> http://pastebin.com/m302cec9c
  • [00:32:06] <RoHS> yep, sad. oh well
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  • [00:32:23] <RoHS> cwillu_at_work: ha
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  • [00:37:15] <cwillu_at_work> I considered adding the tps, omap and framer, but it makes the picture too busy
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  • [00:40:00] <cwillu_at_work> what does j2 do again?
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  • [00:55:29] <djlewis> good even
  • [00:55:56] <djlewis> rschmidt: did you try more than one app to test your cam?
  • [00:55:58] <ds2> evening djlewis
  • [00:56:15] <chroos> are you known to the AIS generator?
  • [00:56:34] <rschmidt> djlewis: yes, I tested VLC, mplayer, and a command-line capture app (the name escapes me right now)
  • [00:57:53] <djlewis> rschmidt: it appears your driver is launching. A black screen...
  • [00:58:03] <chroos> is it normal that AIS generator outputs a much smaller size than the .out i put in
  • [00:58:16] <rschmidt> djlewis: I'm testing with Ubuntu now
  • [00:58:17] <djlewis> usually a trashy green speckly screen is the result of a camera / driver issue
  • [00:58:30] <djlewis> rschmidt: on BB?
  • [00:58:40] <rschmidt> djlewis: yes
  • [00:59:01] <djlewis> Others have had success with UVC. I use straight webcams.
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  • [00:59:43] <rschmidt> yeah, it's not exactly my choice... I kinda had it thrown at me
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  • [01:00:32] <djlewis> UVC's cost more and are supposedly better in some ways.
  • [01:01:36] <rschmidt> do you have an example of a 'straight' webcam?
  • [01:02:04] <djlewis> I use a couple of little Logitech Chats, $18.00
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  • [01:02:31] <rschmidt> interesting... a couple? you doing stereo?
  • [01:02:40] <djlewis> Quickcam E1000 is model on box.
  • [01:02:52] <djlewis> I try. but alas it is hard on the little pup.
  • [01:03:10] <rschmidt> yeah... I can imagine
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  • [01:04:45] <rschmidt> anyway, I'm mostly trying ubuntu as a q+d way to try a newer kernel
  • [01:05:04] <rschmidt> I'm new to all this... got my beagle last Thursday.
  • [01:05:16] <djlewis> If you have a spare SD you might toss together a Angstrom 2.6.29 image to test your cam.
  • [01:05:45] <rschmidt> yeah, I tried a demo image with the stable rootfs... that's what was giving me a black screen
  • [01:05:52] <djlewis> some have had to manually launch the uvcvideo driver.
  • [01:06:05] <rschmidt> the driver loads fine, and creates /dev/video0
  • [01:06:21] <rschmidt> and it seems to return frames... but they're all black... on two different UVC cams I've tried
  • [01:06:24] <ds2> djlewis: what's the resolution on the logitech chat?
  • [01:07:25] <djlewis> hi ds2 , it claims up to 640x480 but in windows I get a clean 800x600
  • [01:08:18] <ds2> djlewis: do you know what encoding it uses? (RGB/JPEG/Bayer/etc)
  • [01:08:31] <djlewis> JPEG
  • [01:08:42] <ds2> blah
  • [01:08:48] <djlewis> you want RGB?
  • [01:08:52] <ds2> yeah
  • [01:08:58] <djlewis> figured
  • [01:09:09] <ds2> some crazy ideas relating to vision and digitizing in mind
  • [01:09:28] <djlewis> if one had RGB, using it with openCV would still be an issue for cpu
  • [01:09:30] <ds2> some other lossless method would be good
  • [01:09:45] <ds2> not going to use openCV... I'm doing my own processing
  • [01:10:02] <djlewis> its not the loss / lossless that bothers me, its cpu cycles.
  • [01:10:04] <ds2> I'll trade frame rates for less noise introduced from jpeg
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  • [01:10:21] <ds2> djlewis: openCV has compensation for the blurring from JPEG?
  • [01:10:48] <djlewis> I doth think you are oversetimating the compression ratio
  • [01:10:59] <djlewis> overestimating..
  • [01:11:30] * djlewis has given up most hope for openCV and BB at 500mHZ
  • [01:11:30] <ds2> *shrug* maybe the those cams are better... I been toying with well, toy grade, cams
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  • [01:15:02] <ds2> all I want to do is DFT it and do a simple 20x20 (roughly) matching of 2 images
  • [01:17:13] <djlewis> ds2: give me test parameters and I will try to make you a capture sample.
  • [01:17:58] <djlewis> These webcams to require sunglasses outdoors.
  • [01:18:16] <ds2> djlewis: how about a 1 sample capture of a grassy hill or a wooded lot from about 0.5miles away
  • [01:18:38] <djlewis> sure, I'll setup my telescope ;)
  • [01:18:46] <ds2> telescope?
  • [01:19:02] <ds2> think I need to rethink things then
  • [01:19:24] <djlewis> if you want any usable info other than a spot in a 20x20 at 1/2 mile then I dunno...
  • [01:19:36] <ds2> a spot is exactly what I want
  • [01:19:50] <ds2> something like be able to discern tree trunks
  • [01:20:11] <ds2> wacky image processing experiments
  • [01:20:46] <djlewis> i've seen experiments similar for robotics navigation but much closer
  • [01:20:47] <ds2> the cheaper CIF resolution cameras don't cut it ;)
  • [01:21:00] <ds2> that's not far from my goal
  • [01:21:12] <djlewis> yep, you need a X and Y for that
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  • [01:21:23] <ds2> nope
  • [01:21:39] <ds2> djlewis: I just want to be able to estimate distances
  • [01:21:57] <ds2> so 2 cameras and I work out the angle between them to a common spot and it comes simple trig
  • [01:22:06] <djlewis> that is doable with stereo.
  • [01:22:34] <djlewis> I am working on the same technique
  • [01:22:48] <ds2> and you are having luck with those cameras?
  • [01:22:57] <djlewis> more on paper
  • [01:23:12] <ds2> I want to look at distances up to 1/2m (ball park range of a cheap commercial unit)
  • [01:23:17] <ds2> 1/2mile
  • [01:23:19] <djlewis> I have some construction to do to get the webcams ready.
  • [01:23:29] <djlewis> I figure stereo and a laser
  • [01:23:41] <ds2> short range is easy
  • [01:23:53] <djlewis> I am content with < 20ft
  • [01:24:05] <ds2> why not ultrasound at that range?
  • [01:24:12] <rschmidt> painting your target with a laser is probably your best bet
  • [01:24:14] <djlewis> I dont want fixed eyes, I want to emulate human eye motion
  • [01:24:30] <djlewis> so I have some mechanics to build
  • [01:24:36] <ds2> painting with laser might be tricky in full sun
  • [01:25:09] <djlewis> a green laser is pretty bright
  • [01:25:22] <ds2> in full sun?
  • [01:25:24] <djlewis> but i dunno about on a brown tree trunk
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  • [01:25:36] <djlewis> at 1/2 mile
  • [01:26:14] <djlewis> wouldn't narrow fov lens help you there?
  • [01:26:21] <ds2> yep
  • [01:26:34] <ds2> not equipped to polish glass
  • [01:27:02] <djlewis> I have some cctv with tele lens
  • [01:28:21] <ds2> got to find a decent camera first
  • [01:28:24] <djlewis> i use a sony HAD ccd with std lens and get stars to 10 magnitude.
  • [01:28:45] <djlewis> get away form cmos then
  • [01:29:12] <ds2> you, sir, have deep pockets! :D
  • [01:29:25] <djlewis> no, I am more a collector.
  • [01:29:42] <mru> of money
  • [01:29:48] <ds2> leopard would be nice but it has only 1 camera
  • [01:29:57] <mru> get several
  • [01:30:01] <ds2> I could attempt video wall techniques with 2 leopards
  • [01:30:05] <djlewis> swapped out some security cams in a casino out west and kept the spoils.
  • [01:30:40] <ds2> djlewis: the winnings from card counters who took advantage of your ``delays'' in getting the replacement units up? ;)
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  • [01:30:49] <mru> djlewis: were those cameras by any chance in the vault? ;-)
  • [01:31:29] <djlewis> I swapped some in the teller area too but no temptation was there for me.
  • [01:32:21] <djlewis> could have been some ds2
  • [01:33:19] <ds2> but to look at the leopard option, I'd need to extract the patches from the RR SDK and they try their best to slow down one's attempts
  • [01:34:16] * djlewis was looking at Leopard but there was very little support
  • [01:34:24] <djlewis> software wise.
  • [01:34:26] <rschmidt> arrgh... this SD card is full of errors.
  • [01:34:31] <ds2> there is... the folks at RR did a great job
  • [01:34:44] <ds2> I just prefer to work with bare kernels
  • [01:34:48] <djlewis> I didnt see it at the leopard site.
  • [01:35:02] <ds2> you need to get it from RR
  • [01:35:09] <djlewis> but our next gen BB is to be leopard cam compatible
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  • [01:36:46] <djlewis> that little surveyor Blackfin cranks out some fps.
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  • [01:45:21] <djlewis> hundreds of xtals here and no 11.0592 mHZ, argh
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  • [01:45:39] <ds2> pencil lead or grind one to spec?
  • [01:46:28] * djlewis polished a xtal once to squeeze it onto the 40m novice band
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  • [02:13:33] <djlewis_> seems firefox farted me off line.
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  • [02:26:39] <rschmidt> hmmm... it seems my UVC camera works in Ubuntu with a 2.6.32 kernel
  • [02:27:06] <djlewis_> on BB?
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  • [02:27:10] <rschmidt> yup!
  • [02:27:15] <djlewis_> hmmm
  • [02:29:05] <GrizzlyAdams> i think i might have to transition to QNX for my car pc ...
  • [02:31:33] <ds2> GrizzlyAdams: why's that?
  • [02:32:41] <GrizzlyAdams> more fun / hard work :D
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  • [02:33:00] <ds2> good reasons
  • [02:33:05] <GrizzlyAdams> plus i'm going to a QNX sponsored event thursday
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  • [02:33:40] <ds2> have you also consider getting rid of your starter in the car? crank start offers such a nice workout opportunity
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  • [02:33:45] <GrizzlyAdams> would be nice to have pocket projector, beagle-in-a-box
  • [02:34:07] <GrizzlyAdams> ds2: actually... i have a better one than that, always park on a hill
  • [02:34:24] <ds2> facing uphill? ;)
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  • [02:34:31] <GrizzlyAdams> put car in 1st gear and release the brake
  • [02:34:51] <GrizzlyAdams> turn key to start
  • [02:35:01] <GrizzlyAdams> (with no starter)
  • [02:35:18] <GrizzlyAdams> i've had cars you had to start that way
  • [02:35:23] <ds2> prehaps you need to also move to the Praire states
  • [02:36:38] <GrizzlyAdams> but qnx has support for almost all of the beagleboard hardware
  • [02:37:00] <GrizzlyAdams> i can't tell but it looks like it might be missing usb-guest
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  • [04:50:34] <tejas> hello all
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  • [04:52:21] <sharief> Hello
  • [04:52:38] <sharief> I have some doubts in installing ubuntu in omap
  • [04:53:30] <sharief> somebody help me?
  • [04:57:20] <sharief> Hello
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  • [05:15:48] <sharief> can anybody hwlp me?
  • [05:18:56] <mIKEjONES> what ubuntu are you trying to install?
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  • [05:25:47] <sharief> I am trying to install xubuntu in my board
  • [05:26:32] <mIKEjONES> where did you get xubuntu from?
  • [05:27:03] <mIKEjONES> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu
  • [05:27:13] <mIKEjONES> are you doing something similar to that?
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  • [05:27:38] <siv> hi
  • [05:28:03] <siv> hello
  • [05:28:37] <sharief> yes i followed that link only
  • [05:29:03] <siv> is there anyone here
  • [05:29:47] <siv> hello
  • [05:30:09] <dougztr|snoopy> yeah hi
  • [05:30:18] <siv> how are
  • [05:30:20] <siv> u
  • [05:30:27] <dougztr|snoopy> i'm testing out my beagleboard
  • [05:30:35] <siv> i am doing my Engineering
  • [05:30:45] <dougztr|snoopy> got it rockin with gentoo, xfce4, and x-chat
  • [05:30:56] <siv> can u suggest projects based on BB
  • [05:31:30] <dougztr|snoopy> how about a CNC controlled milling machine using BB and linuxCNC
  • [05:31:59] <siv> I am doing specialization in Embedded system
  • [05:31:59] <sharief> Can anybody help me please
  • [05:32:34] <dougztr|snoopy> siv, hmm, i'm a mechanical engineer, you can use beagleboard for all kinds of things
  • [05:33:01] <dougztr|snoopy> siv, you could use the GPIO outputs to control triacs and run basically anything
  • [05:33:24] <siv> i need some small projects based on BB
  • [05:34:00] <sharief> i have some graphicd problem
  • [05:34:25] <dougztr|snoopy> sharief, whats the issue?
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  • [05:34:52] <sharief> i installed ubuntu in board
  • [05:36:59] <siv> Thank i Dougztr
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  • [05:37:43] <sharief_> hello
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  • [05:40:16] <sharief_> dougztr
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  • [05:42:42] <sharief_> u there?
  • [05:44:41] <cwillu_at_work> sharief_, ask the question, don't wait for an ack on each statement
  • [05:46:46] <dougztr|BB> hey i'm running karmics 2.6.32.7-x7.1 kernel with good results on my C4
  • [05:47:25] <dougztr|BB> thought I'd mention i'm testing it
  • [05:47:56] <sharief_> it seems like my graphics drivers are not installed
  • [05:48:16] <dougztr|BB> Linux snoopy 2.6.32.7-x7.1 #1 PREEMPT Sat Feb 6 15:52:13 UTC 2010 armv7l ARMv7 Processor rev 3 (v7l) OMAP3 Beagle Board GNU/Linux
  • [05:48:51] <dougztr|BB> sharief_, black screen ? no graphics?
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  • [05:49:25] <sharief_> graphics is there..
  • [05:49:39] <sharief_> but seems like no graphics driver installed
  • [05:50:37] <dougztr|BB> you mean for the X-window system?
  • [05:51:10] <cwillu_at_work> sharief_, if stuff is just slow (scrolling, dragging windows, etc), that's normal for a processor with little acceleration for 2d work
  • [05:52:07] <cwillu_at_work> which honestly makes the whole "laptop-like performance" a bit of a crock in my opinion :p
  • [05:52:07] <dougztr|BB> cwillu_at_work, actually my system here isn't bad at all, and i'm just using stock xf86-video-fbdev
  • [05:52:37] <cwillu_at_work> dougztr, at what resolution?
  • [05:52:56] <dougztr|BB> 1024x768
  • [05:53:00] <sharief_> yes i mean X window
  • [05:53:35] <cwillu_at_work> dougztr, with full redraws on your window dragging?
  • [05:53:59] <dougztr|BB> cwillu, yeah, theres a very slight laggyness, but not bad
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  • [05:54:24] <cwillu_at_work> dougztr, there's a difference between usable and smooth :)
  • [05:55:08] <dougztr|BB> cwillu_at_work, well its not instant like my desktop radeon, but its not annoying either
  • [05:55:59] <dougztr|BB> cwillu_at_work, I can grab the firefox window and quickly shake it around
  • [05:56:58] <dougztr|BB> cwillu_at_work, I'll install xf86-video-omapfb sometime soon here and compare
  • [05:58:47] <dougztr|BB> but for a 600MHz machine, its running pretty nice IMO, maybe i can get mine working in overdrive soon too
  • [05:58:57] <sharief_> in x windoa
  • [05:59:06] <sharief_> in x window it has the problem
  • [05:59:10] <cwillu_at_work> mpurate=720000 in your boot args is all it takes
  • [05:59:14] <cwillu_at_work> sharief_, _what_ is the problem?
  • [05:59:45] <dougztr|BB> cwillu, null modem cable should be here tomorrow, so i'll add that to u-boot
  • [05:59:47] <cwillu_at_work> oops, mpurate=720
  • [06:00:01] <cwillu_at_work> dougztr, you can do it from a running system (editing the args)
  • [06:00:13] <dougztr|BB> fw_setenv?
  • [06:00:30] <dougztr|BB> it gives me a bad crc when i run fw_printenv
  • [06:00:48] <dougztr|BB> i'm scared to mess with it
  • [06:01:37] <cwillu_at_work> heh
  • [06:01:52] <cwillu_at_work> you can fix it tomorrow if you break it :p
  • [06:01:53] <cwillu_at_work> root@overo:/# cat /etc/fw_env.config
  • [06:01:53] <cwillu_at_work> /dev/mtd2 0x0000 0x20000 0x20000 2
  • [06:01:53] <cwillu_at_work> #/dev/mtd2 0x4000 0x2000 0x2000
  • [06:02:00] <cwillu_at_work> is what I'm using on c3 and c4 beagles
  • [06:02:11] <cwillu_at_work> and then fw_printenv and setenv just works
  • [06:02:28] <cwillu_at_work> ignore the # line, obviously
  • [06:02:42] <dougztr|BB> ok great, i didn't have the trailing 2
  • [06:03:25] <dougztr|BB> i need to install u-boot tools (on this system)
  • [06:03:53] <cwillu_at_work> sharief_, you're not going to get an answer if you don't ask a question :p
  • [06:04:00] <sharief_> i installed ubuntu in my board
  • [06:04:10] <sharief_> in that i have some graphics problem
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  • [06:04:20] <sharief_> i think i have to install some graphics driver
  • [06:04:30] <cwillu_at_work> sharief_, _what_ is the _exact_ graphics problem you're having?
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  • [06:04:33] <cwillu_at_work> I'm not going to ask again
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  • [06:04:45] <cwillu_at_work> "graphics problem" could mean anything
  • [06:05:00] <sharief_> in my x window it is not clear
  • [06:05:09] * cwillu_at_work drives to the mechanic and says "my car has a car problem"
  • [06:05:10] <sharief_> something colourfull i am getting
  • [06:05:20] <venkat_> hello can anybody guide me What is the meaning of SoC exactly
  • [06:05:20] <sharief_> i dont know how to explain that
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  • [06:05:34] <cwillu_at_work> venkat_, "system on chip
  • [06:05:34] <sharief_> for example
  • [06:05:52] <venkat_> system on chip means what it contains?
  • [06:06:09] <sharief_> if we didnt install graphics driver in windows os mean how it will be. It is like that
  • [06:06:14] <cwillu_at_work> venkat_, it basically means that the chip is almost self-contained. Memory/flash is stacked on it, etc
  • [06:06:42] <cwillu_at_work> sharief_, if you didn't install driver on windows, you'd be running at 800x600, very slowly, but otherwise working fine
  • [06:06:51] <cwillu_at_work> that doesn't sound like what you're describing
  • [06:07:03] <cwillu_at_work> correct?
  • [06:07:06] <venkat_> so when we are working with embedded means mostly we will be working with SoC only correct
  • [06:07:10] <cwillu_at_work> is it like display gibberish?
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  • [06:07:57] <venkat_> cwillu_ata_work answer me
  • [06:08:08] <cwillu_at_work> o_O
  • [06:08:26] <cwillu_at_work> not sure if you intended that to sound as rude as it did :p
  • [06:09:14] <venkat_> is x86 also SoC?
  • [06:09:15] <cwillu_at_work> sharief_, does it just look like garbage on the screen, or is it intelligible?
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  • [06:10:18] <sharief_> yes
  • [06:10:30] <sharief_> it looks like that only
  • [06:10:36] <cwillu_at_work> which, garbage?
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  • [06:10:52] <sharief_> wait
  • [06:13:16] * cwillu_at_work looks to dougztr for emotional support
  • [06:13:52] <sharief_> garbage means it is fully color full. and the login screen is not clear
  • [06:14:33] <dougztr> sharief_, so its all messed up and doesn't look right?
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  • [06:15:00] <sharief_> yes
  • [06:15:04] <sharief_> you are right
  • [06:15:17] <cwillu_at_work> sharief_, which version of ubuntu did you install? and did you install it via rootstock, or directly from an image?
  • [06:16:28] <sharief_> ubuntu means i installed xubuntu using sudo ./rootstock --fqdn beagleboard --login ubuntu --password temppwd --imagesize 2G --dist karmic \ --serial ttyS2 --seed xfce4,gdm,xubuntu-gdm-theme,xubuntu-artwork \ --kernel-image http://rcn-ee.net/deb/kernel/beagle/karmic/v2.6.32.7-x7.0/linux-image-2.6.32.7-x7.0_1.0karmic_armel.deb
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  • [06:17:03] <sharief_> yes i installed it via rootstock
  • [06:17:06] <cwillu_at_work> looks sane
  • [06:17:18] <sharief_> mean?
  • [06:17:21] <brendans> is this a colour depth issue? that's the other thing that would be odd in his described windows box
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  • [06:18:09] <cwillu_at_work> sharief_, sane == not crazy
  • [06:18:35] <sharief_> thas why i am confused
  • [06:19:40] <cwillu_at_work> if you hit ctrl-alt-f1, do you get a normal looking prompt?
  • [06:19:49] <venkat_> hello i want to port linux kernel 2.6.32 which is downloaded from www.kernel.org to beagle board can any body guide me how can i start here should develeop any drivers from scratch or should i configure the existing drivers
  • [06:20:04] <dougztr> sharief_, take a picture with your cellphone and post it to imageshack so we can see :-)
  • [06:21:05] <sharief_> mm
  • [06:21:55] <sharief_> i cant work with the board. I am using only serial port i my host system
  • [06:22:29] <venkat_> sherif can u answer my question pls
  • [06:23:53] <dougztr> venkat_, you should start with a omap-2.6.32 source, somebody here has a link to the ubuntu karmic test kernels and they have patches and configs right there
  • [06:23:59] <sharief_> sure
  • [06:24:15] <sharief_> sure venkat
  • [06:24:24] <dougztr> venkat_, i can upload what i have if you want
  • [06:27:17] <venkat_> my question is here almost all are downloading the kernel to target provided with beagleboard but if i want to port the kernel downloaded from www.kernel.org wtas the process
  • [06:27:21] <sharief_> if i give ctrl+alt+f1 i am going to my host system
  • [06:27:54] <dougztr> venkat_, install cross compiler, say armv7a-unknown-linux-gnueabi
  • [06:28:08] <dougztr> venkat_, then edit Makefile in top kernel dir
  • [06:28:23] <dougztr> venkat_, put "ARCH ?= arm"
  • [06:28:27] <venkat_> k
  • [06:28:32] <cwillu_at_work> venkat_, compiling, not porting. Porting a kernel to a new system is a very big undertaking, but the kernel already supports omap (i.e., beagle) quite well; the getting-started guides on beagleboard.org is really all you need to get started
  • [06:28:55] <dougztr> venkat_, put "CROSS_COMPILE=armv7a-unknown-linux-gnueabi-"
  • [06:29:05] <venkat_> k
  • [06:29:29] <dougztr> venkat_, then "make omap3_beagle_defconfig && make menuconfig && make uImage"
  • [06:29:44] <dougztr> venkat_, thats the basic procedure
  • [06:30:52] <venkat_> yeah i got it dougztr but here what we are doing is nothing not even developing the drivers. is it necessary to develop the drivers source code?
  • [06:31:08] <cwillu_at_work> no
  • [06:31:47] <venkat_> should i take care of any thing like SCHEDULER,MM,FILESYSTEMS,IPC?
  • [06:31:50] <dougztr> venkat_, what drivers do you need to develop? its already mostly done
  • [06:32:15] <cwillu_at_work> venkat_, that's what linux _is_
  • [06:32:26] <cwillu_at_work> the scheduler, the memory manager, filesystems, etc
  • [06:32:28] <dougztr> venkat_, you can run make menuconfig and tweak things if you want, sure
  • [06:32:39] <sharief_> dougztr from where we can get the omap modules?
  • [06:32:50] <cwillu_at_work> sharief_, they're in ubuntu's repository
  • [06:33:04] <cwillu_at_work> I believe it's xserver-xorg-video-omap
  • [06:33:53] <cwillu_at_work> xserver-xorg-video-omap3 or xserver-xorg-video-omapfb, not sure which
  • [06:33:59] <dougztr> cwillu, does beagle need *any* firmware (other than for my wifi dongle?)
  • [06:34:08] <cwillu_at_work> dougztr, no
  • [06:34:22] <dougztr> cool
  • [06:34:25] <cwillu_at_work> dougztr, there's no binary blobs needed
  • [06:34:33] <ds2> making a framing piece?
  • [06:34:40] <cwillu_at_work> I'm not counting sgx here
  • [06:34:49] <dougztr> yeah right
  • [06:35:07] <cwillu_at_work> nor uboot for that matter :p
  • [06:36:30] <venkat_> dear dougztranswer me should take care of memory management,IPC,scheduler ,file systems ect while configuring the kernl
  • [06:37:01] <sharief_> what is this sgx modules then?
  • [06:37:19] <cwillu_at_work> sharief_, 3d acceleration
  • [06:38:06] <cwillu_at_work> you know, I think I should make a beagle cube
  • [06:38:31] <cwillu_at_work> not sure if I should stack them, or build it face-wise
  • [06:38:45] <venkat_> please answer me should i configure memory management,IPC,scheduler ,file systems ect while configuring the kernel
  • [06:40:08] <sharief_> oh i see
  • [06:40:26] <sharief_> this is window i am getting in LCD http://yfrog.com/evimg0008aej
  • [06:41:00] <cwillu_at_work> colour depth is wrong
  • [06:41:05] <cwillu_at_work> (good call)
  • [06:41:14] <sharief_> so what to do for that?
  • [06:41:14] <cwillu_at_work> (brendans)
  • [06:42:03] <dougztr> venkat_, you don't need to if you ran "make omap3_beagle_defconfig"
  • [06:42:07] <cwillu_at_work> check your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/xorg.log files to see what depth it's using
  • [06:42:37] <cwillu_at_work> and then either set the beagle to the same in the kernel bootargs, or change/set /etc/X11/xorg.conf to the other option (either 16 or 32; I think you want to use 32)
  • [06:42:50] <sharief_> i didnt have that xorg file. because i am using karmic
  • [06:42:57] <venkat_> if i run make menuconfig then
  • [06:43:19] <dougztr> i thought 16 was typical for beagle for SGX compatibility
  • [06:43:20] <cwillu_at_work> sharief_, then so do everything I just said, but pretend I didn't say "check /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
  • [06:43:50] <sharief_> sorry o am novice
  • [06:43:55] <sharief_> i am novice
  • [06:43:59] * brendans sharief_, you might also be able to find out what you're currently running using xrandr
  • [06:44:13] <brendans> sharief_, for example "DISPLAY=:0 xrandr"
  • [06:44:35] <cwillu_at_work> sharief_, you're teachable, unlike some other people who keep asking to have their questions answered :p
  • [06:44:39] <sharief_> see. the things is i cant work on board. Just i am using the serial port.
  • [06:44:47] * dougztr needs to get openntpd installed *now*
  • [06:44:48] <sharief_> my screen standing in login scrren
  • [06:45:02] <cwillu_at_work> sharief_, you're logged into the board over a serial cable? brendans command will still work in that case
  • [06:45:31] <venkat_> what are the changes i have to make to bootloader?
  • [06:45:39] <brendans> sharief_, when you put DISPLAY=:0 you specify that the command should work on the primary X session, on the main console (even if you're working from some other terminal)
  • [06:46:05] <brendans> sharief_: like cwillu_at_work said
  • [06:46:13] <sharief_> this is what i get
  • [06:46:14] <sharief_> ubuntu@beagleboard:/etc/X11$ xrandr Can't open display ubuntu@beagleboard:/etc/X11$
  • [06:46:26] <cwillu_at_work> sharief_, type what he said
  • [06:46:35] <cwillu_at_work> >>> DISPLAY=:0 xrandr <<<
  • [06:47:00] <sharief_> if i run this i am getting No protocol specified Can't open display :0
  • [06:47:26] <cwillu_at_work> venkat_, read this >>> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardBeginners <<< follow every step
  • [06:47:35] <brendans> hmmm... any possibility it's running on another display?
  • [06:47:48] <cwillu_at_work> brendans, karmic, it could be :p
  • [06:47:56] <cwillu_at_work> actually
  • [06:48:08] <cwillu_at_work> sharief_, >>> sudo -s<<< and then try it again
  • [06:48:23] <brendans> cwillu_at_work, good call :)
  • [06:48:25] <cwillu_at_work> probably can't connect to :0 while gdm is running
  • [06:48:41] <cwillu_at_work> brendans, we'll see if it works :p
  • [06:48:43] <sharief_> yes now i get "default connected 480x640+0+0 0mm x 0mm 480x640 70.0* "
  • [06:48:57] <cwillu_at_work> 480x640!?
  • [06:49:02] <sharief_> yes
  • [06:49:08] <brendans> well, that's interesting
  • [06:49:11] <cwillu_at_work> such a thing exists?
  • [06:49:19] <sharief_> yes
  • [06:49:53] <sharief_> so what went wrong?
  • [06:49:56] <brendans> err, I suppose if the screen is in portrait mode
  • [06:50:01] <cwillu_at_work> shush you :p
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  • [06:51:14] <sharief_> mean?
  • [06:51:20] <sharief_> please help me how to do
  • [06:51:26] <cwillu_at_work> sharief_, what does grep -i depth /var/log/Xorg.0.log say?
  • [06:52:25] <sharief_> it says " "Builtin Default fbdev Screen 0" for depth/fbbpp 16/16 (==) FBDEV(0): Depth 16, (==) framebuffer bpp 16 "
  • [06:53:15] <brendans> that's a bit strange looking for 16 bit; I'd think it should display more or less correctly (although tbh I haven't tried it in a while)
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  • [06:54:14] <sharief_> so
  • [06:54:47] <brendans> sharief_, have you tried something like:
  • [06:54:50] <cwillu_at_work> sharief_, what does cat /proc/cmdline say?
  • [06:55:02] <brendans> sharief, "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop"
  • [06:55:08] <brendans> sharief, "sudo startx"
  • [06:55:24] <brendans> and see if it still looks strange once it gets past gdm
  • [06:55:56] <cwillu_at_work> brendans, karmic and newer doesn't use /etc/init.d jobs for most things anymore, they're upstart jobs
  • [06:56:12] <cwillu_at_work> sharief_, instead of sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop, do "sudo stop gdm"
  • [06:56:22] <brendans> cwillu_at_work, good point, I'd forgotten that
  • [06:56:29] <sharief_> console=ttyS0,115200n8 mem=256M noinitrd rw rootdelay=1 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 omapdss.def_disp="dvi" omapfb.vram=0:4M,1:4M,2:4M status=1 stdin=serial "
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  • [06:56:56] <sharief_> i am using xubuntu
  • [06:57:01] <cwillu_at_work> sharief_, same thing :p
  • [06:57:02] <sharief_> so it will use xfce right?
  • [06:57:07] <sharief_> then how i can use gdm?
  • [06:57:11] <cwillu_at_work> it's still gdm driving this part of things
  • [06:57:32] <brendans> sharief_, gdm is still the standard display manager for xubuntu
  • [06:57:34] * dougztr is running xfce4 in gentoo right now on BB
  • [06:57:47] <brendans> sharief_, both xfce and gnome use the gtk framework
  • [06:57:54] <sharief_> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop says "Rather than invoking init scripts through /etc/init.d, use the service(8) utility, e.g. service gdm stop Since the script you are attempting to invoke has been converted to an Upstart job, you may also use the stop(8) utility, e.g. stop gdm gdm stop/waiting "
  • [06:58:02] <cwillu_at_work> >>> sharief_, instead of sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop, do "sudo stop gdm" <<<
  • [06:58:09] <cwillu_at_work> god I love repeating myself :)
  • [06:58:15] <brendans> sharief_, yes. cwillu_at_work was right, I forgot the new syntax
  • [06:58:24] <brendans> sharief_, my apologies for the confusion
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  • [06:58:48] <dougztr> wow, i'm getting around 35K/s over my wifi
  • [06:59:14] <cwillu_at_work> dougztr, that's faster than a 33kbaud modem! :)
  • [06:59:40] <dougztr> this is supposed to be a 802.11g compatible dongle
  • [06:59:46] <brendans> dougztr, since you're running gentoo, do you mind a quick question?
  • [06:59:53] <dougztr> cwillu_at_work, yeah a lot faster
  • [07:00:01] <dougztr> brendans, nope
  • [07:00:01] <sharief_> this sudo stop gdm says "stop: Unknown instance: "
  • [07:00:12] <sharief_> hey
  • [07:00:13] <cwillu_at_work> sharief_, yep, you already stopped it, I was just being retentive :p
  • [07:00:13] <brendans> dougztr, I'm trying to upgrade some things at the moment, and getting stuck with a masked libiconv along with some conflicts
  • [07:00:20] <cwillu_at_work> sharief_, run the sudo startx line
  • [07:00:20] <brendans> any experience with that?
  • [07:00:31] <sharief_> when i give "sudo startx" i got a home page in my LCD
  • [07:00:32] <dougztr> brendans, uclibc?
  • [07:01:23] <dougztr> brendans, what package is giving that error
  • [07:01:31] <brendans> dougztr, just re-running to get the error, just a sec
  • [07:01:48] <sharief_> "I was just being retentive :p" mean?
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  • [07:01:59] <sharief_> how to do that?
  • [07:02:05] <brendans> my beagleboard's emerging some things in the background with -j2, so it's a bit slow
  • [07:02:17] <venkat_> is there any x86 based SoC?
  • [07:02:53] <dougztr> venkat_, like a geode?
  • [07:02:57] <brendans> dougztr, it looks like it's being blocked by sys-libs/glibc and sys-apps/man-pages
  • [07:03:07] <sharief_> cwillu_at_work, what will the problem?
  • [07:03:45] <cwillu_at_work> sharief_, "retentive" is a short form of "anal retentive", meaning that I was griping about something which didn't really matter
  • [07:03:49] <brendans> dougztr, I started from the stage3 at slashorg.net, and I'm trying to update the system in general
  • [07:04:00] <sharief_> ok fine
  • [07:04:09] <cwillu_at_work> sharief_, does the home page look correct?
  • [07:04:11] <brendans> dougztr, but it's a bit out of date if I'm not mistaken, and I haven't done the gentoo thing in a few years, so it's coming back slowly
  • [07:04:25] <sharief_> no. still colour depth problem
  • [07:04:29] <dougztr> brendans, umm, grab a new stage3 from gentoo.org
  • [07:04:31] <cwillu_at_work> :/
  • [07:05:10] <brendans> dougztr, just the base arm stage3?
  • [07:05:11] <dougztr> brendans, for libc upgrades, best to do "emerge binutils && emerge glibc && emerge gcc" before anything else
  • [07:05:21] <venkat_> all ARM9 architecures are SoC only correct?
  • [07:05:28] <dougztr> brendans for beagle?
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  • [07:05:43] <cwillu_at_work> sharief_, I'm not sure; you'll probably have to play around with the kernel boot args and/or making up a custom xorg.conf file to select the driver and bitdepth
  • [07:05:52] <cwillu_at_work> sharief_, I gotta get to bed soon
  • [07:05:57] <brendans> dougztr, ah, I was trying to fix it by re-issuing the bootstrap script and then emerge -e world
  • [07:06:17] <brendans> dougztr, yeah, I got my beagleboard the other day, so I'm still finding my way around
  • [07:06:47] <dougztr> hang on i'll get a link
  • [07:06:48] <venkat_> brendans start working from scracth
  • [07:06:48] <sharief_> help me cwillu_at_work
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  • [07:07:01] <cwillu_at_work> sharief_, it's 1 in the morning
  • [07:07:10] <cwillu_at_work> 1:00am
  • [07:07:27] <brendans> thanks dougztr
  • [07:07:33] <dougztr> brendans, this works good, its what i'm using -> http://mirrors.kernel.org/gentoo/releases/arm/autobuilds/current-stage3/armv7a-unknown-linux-gnueabi/
  • [07:07:37] <brendans> venkat_, yeah, I'm beginning to think that's the most logical step
  • [07:08:03] <sharief_> this is what i get http://yfrog.com/1nimg0010anj
  • [07:08:06] <brendans> dougztr, thanks for the link, that'll make things a bit easier :)
  • [07:08:18] <sharief_> please tell me one solution for this colour problem
  • [07:08:41] <venkat_> brendans if u use the things like customised kernel,filesystesm ,boot loader u dont learn anything
  • [07:08:54] <brendans> what about for the uImage though? cross compile? (this may be an obvious question)
  • [07:08:56] <venkat_> so start from scratch
  • [07:09:15] <dougztr> brendans, i made one change and added "-mtune=cortex-a8" to the CFLAGS but thats it, it should run out of the box if you add a kernel
  • [07:09:21] <cwillu_at_work> venkat_, you're not in any position to tell people how they will and will not learn anything
  • [07:09:28] <brendans> venkat_, oh, fair enough, I used to do gentoo stage1 installs a few years ago. I just don't have a cross-compile environment set up
  • [07:10:06] <brendans> dougztr, thanks; so just cross-compile on a gentoo system and specify the right architecture when I make the kernel, right?
  • [07:10:06] <cwillu_at_work> start with something working, and then replace/rebuild the pieces from the ground up once you know how they're supposed to be assembled
  • [07:10:09] <dougztr> brendans, i have a nice uImage if you want, xcompiling a beagle kernel is a PITA
  • [07:10:15] <venkat_> what compiler u want ti use arm compiler?
  • [07:10:34] <sharief_> can anyone help me?
  • [07:10:36] <dougztr> brendans, hang on let me package it up
  • [07:10:43] <brendans> dougztr, sure, if it's not a big deal, much appreciated
  • [07:10:58] <sharief_> brendans, do you know what is wrong?
  • [07:11:03] <brendans> thanks dougztr and cwillu_at_work
  • [07:11:07] <cwillu_at_work> np
  • [07:11:18] <brendans> sharief_, just a second, let me get caught back up on your part of the discussion
  • [07:11:33] <sharief_> ok fine
  • [07:12:13] <brendans> sharief_, I'm not sure what's going on just at the moment
  • [07:12:38] <brendans> sharief_, it looks like what you might get if your system was running 8-bit colour (256 colours palletized)
  • [07:13:06] <brendans> sharief_, in that case, the rendering is often not very good, particularly when the pallet is optimized for a particular colour range
  • [07:13:22] <cwillu_at_work> brendans, according to xorg.0.log, he's running in 16 bit mode
  • [07:13:28] <brendans> sharief_, however, according to the output of your X logs, it's in 16-bit mode
  • [07:13:32] <brendans> lol, exactly
  • [07:13:35] <sharief_> yes
  • [07:13:38] <brendans> thanks xcwillu_at_work
  • [07:13:43] <venkat_> hello cwillu_at_work if i want to port ANDROID on beagle board whould i develop alla the drivers
  • [07:14:00] <brendans> so I'm not sure why it's doing that
  • [07:14:12] <sharief_> oh
  • [07:14:20] <brendans> now that you've got the graphics running, you could try re-issuing "DISPLAY=:0 xrandr"
  • [07:14:29] <sharief_> cwillu_at_work, do you know?
  • [07:14:36] <brendans> but probably X is attached to your terminal now, so that might be tricky with just the one tty
  • [07:14:46] <cwillu_at_work> sharief_, no, I would have said if I knew
  • [07:15:25] <brendans> venkat_, I believe that android has already been ported to the omap architecture, more or less, since people have been trying to get it to run on the Nokia tablets
  • [07:15:42] <brendans> e.g. the n800 and n810 are omap2, and the n900 is an omap 3430 I believe
  • [07:16:01] <sharief_> so my startx is running in serial
  • [07:16:03] <brendans> but I'm not sure of the state of that effort, just that people were looking at a while ago last time I was on the internettablettalk.com forums
  • [07:16:11] <sharief_> shall i stop and try with "DISPLAY=:0 xrandr"
  • [07:16:23] <brendans> sharief_, yeah, that makes it more difficult, since you really need two terminals
  • [07:16:40] <brendans> sharief_, do you by any chance have g_ether functionality set up?
  • [07:16:49] <brendans> i.e. usb networking
  • [07:16:50] <sharief_> whta to do for that?if iwant two terminals?
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  • [07:17:00] <sharief_> no
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  • [07:17:27] <brendans> that's the easiest way if you don't want to worry about more hardware
  • [07:17:40] <sharief_> whether i have to install OMAp graphics SDK?
  • [07:18:07] <sharief_> how to do that?
  • [07:18:28] <sharief_> now i want to work in LCD console.
  • [07:18:30] <brendans> sharief_, basically you can set up a virtual ethernet connection over the USB cable and share the ethernet connection from the host computer (the beagleboard pretends to be a network card)
  • [07:18:40] <sharief_> I should work like my host system in my board
  • [07:18:47] <brendans> sharief_, I'm not sure, I'm not working with graphics stuff just at the moment
  • [07:19:12] <dougztr> brendans, uploading stuff now, just a sec
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  • [07:19:52] <brendans> sharief_, it's just sitting beside my laptop, and I'm working over ssh at the moment via USB cable (haven't installed X yet)
  • [07:19:57] <brendans> dougztr, thanks :)
  • [07:20:14] <sharief_> mmm i see
  • [07:21:40] <sharief_> so what to do now
  • [07:22:02] <sharief_> for that what to do?
  • [07:22:16] <brendans> sharief_, for usb networking?
  • [07:22:26] <sharief_> no brendans
  • [07:22:33] <brendans> sharief_, I'm not sure under Ubuntu; likely it's already got the module installed
  • [07:22:36] <brendans> oh, k
  • [07:22:41] <sharief_> i want to use my board as my host system
  • [07:22:58] <sharief_> but when i give "lsmod" nothing is there
  • [07:23:36] <brendans> well, if you can hook up a keyboard and mouse via USB, that will at least give you the standard 6 virtual terminals on Alt+[1-6]
  • [07:23:38] <sharief_> may i ask some basic questions?
  • [07:24:07] <sharief_> when i insert USB keyboard ans mouse it is not working
  • [07:24:54] <brendans> sharief_, directly into the USB host port beside the SD card slot?
  • [07:25:01] <sharief_> yes
  • [07:25:34] <brendans> sharief_, the USB port on the Rev C3 beagleboard works, but only in EHCI (high-speed USB 2.0) mode
  • [07:25:54] <sharief_> so
  • [07:25:54] <dougztr> sharief_, 1 you need a powered 2.0 high speed hub. 2 some u-boot.bin files may not set up the EHCI port correctly
  • [07:25:58] <brendans> so that means that if you want to plug a keyboard or mouse in, you most likely need to attache a USB 2.0 hub and then plug them into that
  • [07:26:19] <brendans> plus it can source very minimal power... you *might* power a keyboard off of an un-powered hub, but an optical mouse may be tricky
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  • [07:28:09] <sharief_> mm
  • [07:28:20] <sharief_> mmm
  • [07:28:25] <dougztr> brendans, ok i have a nice beagle kernel kit at http://mechalogic.net/beaglekernel
  • [07:28:41] <sharief_> why this u-boot.bin should have the modules?
  • [07:28:47] <brendans> dougztr, awesome, thanks for the help
  • [07:29:08] <dougztr> brendans, the patch there is karmic's beagle kernel patch that applies to a vanilla 2.6.32 source
  • [07:29:34] <dougztr> brendans, with that stuff, you should be able to duplicate the uImage there
  • [07:29:47] <dougztr> i'm running that kernel exactly right now
  • [07:29:55] <bearsh|work> hey dougztr do you ever sleep? I see you online all days ;)
  • [07:30:21] <brendans> dougztr, that's great, I'll grab a copy asap
  • [07:30:30] <dougztr> bearsh|work, sometimes, i stay up 24-48 hours and then sleep 10-12
  • [07:30:46] <bearsh|work> wow
  • [07:31:01] <dougztr> bearsh|work, i'm unemployed so anything goes
  • [07:32:02] <sharief_> brendans?
  • [07:32:14] <brendans> yep?
  • [07:32:24] <sharief_> why this u-boot.bin should have the modules
  • [07:33:15] <brendans> sorry sharief_, what I meant is that the xubuntu system you have installed probably already supports USB networking
  • [07:33:32] <brendans> I wasn't referring to u-boot.bin
  • [07:34:34] <sharief_> yes me too thinking that
  • [07:34:49] <sharief_> but when i give "lsmod" i am not getting anything
  • [07:34:54] <sharief_> i dont what went wrong
  • [07:34:54] <dougztr> sharief_, some u-boot.bin don't initialize the EHCI port correctly, so if you have no keyboard or mouse, try putting a different one on your mmc.
  • [07:35:47] <sharief_> Actually what is the job of u-boot.bin?
  • [07:36:03] <sharief_> it will only loads uImage into memory right?
  • [07:36:15] <dougztr> sharief_, its kind of like BIOS in some regards, it sets up some things on the board
  • [07:36:16] <brendans> dougztr, thanks, I've downloaded the kernel files
  • [07:36:44] <dougztr> brendans, i added MLO and u-boot.bin (both known working good)
  • [07:37:10] <sharief_> MLO?
  • [07:37:15] <dougztr> sharief_, you can try my u-boot.bin (its for a rev C4 board) if you want
  • [07:37:20] <brendans> dougztr, thanks, got it
  • [07:37:29] <sharief_> ok send it
  • [07:37:43] <bearsh|work> dougztr: your kernel is huge ;) , what put you in it? everything?
  • [07:37:44] <dougztr> sharief_, http://mechalogic.net/beaglekernel/
  • [07:38:07] <dougztr> bearsh|work, its from ubuntu karmic I didn't make it
  • [07:38:37] <sharief_> dougztr, shall i use all this content in my MMC?
  • [07:38:40] <dougztr> bearsh|work, i'll work on self-compiling one in the days to come using that patch there
  • [07:38:45] <bearsh|work> ah ok, as far as I know ubuntu they eneble everything you will never use...
  • [07:38:50] <brendans> it does strike me as a bit big; desktop ubuntu is all about modules, so it's odd that the kernel is so monolithic
  • [07:38:57] <brendans> yeah, very true
  • [07:38:58] <dougztr> sharief_, you can, its from ubuntu, and it all works together fine
  • [07:39:00] <sharief_> so that it will boot and work perfect
  • [07:39:28] <dougztr> bearsh|work, look at how huge the modules file is, its a debian generic kernel with a zillion modules
  • [07:39:46] <sharief_> dougztr, for my knowledge shall i ask some besic questions?
  • [07:40:17] <sharief_> dougztr,in this what are the things shold copy in my MMC?
  • [07:40:50] <dougztr> sharief_, all you need in the boot partition of the MMC is "MLO u-boot.bin uImage"
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  • [07:41:10] <sharief_> in that i didnt have any file system?
  • [07:41:29] <dougztr> sharief_, you copy MLO first, then u-boot.bin, then copy uImage-* and just rename it uImage
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  • [07:41:56] <sharief_> dougztr, thats what i need
  • [07:42:09] <sharief_> what about file system?
  • [07:42:20] <dougztr> sharief_, you make the filesystems like in the beagle wiki guide, a small vfat partition 1 for MLO u-boot and uImage, then part2 for your linux
  • [07:42:31] <bearsh|work> dougztr: so the kernel from my repo didn't work? only that I know it as I've never tried....
  • [07:42:39] <dougztr> sharief_, use your ubunti filesystem
  • [07:42:58] <sharief_> yes i created file system accourding to wiki. But in that i didnt see any modules running
  • [07:42:59] <dougztr> bearsh|work, no graphics with that kernel black screen
  • [07:43:10] <brendans> dougztr, not to complicate matters, but I noticed that there's an option to use ext2/3 instead of fatload
  • [07:43:31] <brendans> any idea if that makes it possible to use one partition?
  • [07:43:32] <dougztr> sharief_, the modules-*-tar.gz can be extracted into the filesystem for the kernel to use
  • [07:43:52] <sharief_> dougztr, in which directory it should extracted?
  • [07:44:02] <dougztr> sharief_, in /
  • [07:44:19] <dougztr> sharief_, it will put things in /lib/modules/2....
  • [07:44:52] <dougztr> sharief_, try it in a temp dir first if you want to see what it does
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  • [07:45:11] <sharief_> you mean in "/lib/modules/2.6.32*/"?
  • [07:45:32] <dougztr> sharief_, thats whats in that modules-* tarball yes
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  • [07:45:43] <sharief_> if i put in temp directory how it will fetched by kernel?
  • [07:45:53] <sharief_> ok file
  • [07:46:02] <dougztr> sharief_, well copy it over, i was just saying do that if you want to see whats in it
  • [07:46:10] <sharief_> do you have any ENV file?
  • [07:46:20] <sharief_> ok ok
  • [07:46:40] <sharief_> dougztr, env file?
  • [07:46:51] <dougztr> i don't know what an env file is
  • [07:47:10] <sharief_> i mean bootargs etc...
  • [07:47:31] <sharief_> bootcmd,bootargs etc..
  • [07:47:33] <dougztr> sharief_, its hardcoded in u-boot.bin, i don't have a serial cable to modify it
  • [07:47:49] <sharief_> oh
  • [07:48:14] <sharief_> soo it will work file when use all this things with the file system?
  • [07:48:15] <dougztr> sharief_, that stuff all works for me though, it all works together on a C4 beagleboard
  • [07:48:51] <dougztr> sharief_, yes you could try it with your ubuntu and see if it fixes your problems
  • [07:48:57] <brendans> sharief_, one example is the gentoo stage3 guide here: https://www.slashorg.net/51-Getting-started.html
  • [07:49:25] <sharief_> yes i will try it.
  • [07:49:29] <brendans> sharief_, another would be the angstrom examples: http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/HowToGetAngstromRunning
  • [07:49:48] <brendans> sharief_, if you want to get into modifying it yourself
  • [07:50:11] <sharief_> mmm
  • [07:50:32] <sharief_> fine thank you
  • [07:50:33] <brendans> but dougztr is using a u-boot.bin file, so you don't need to worry about the interactive serial console
  • [07:50:36] <brendans> no worries :)
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  • [07:50:43] <sharief_> ok fine
  • [07:51:03] <dougztr> i tried it on my monitor, and my hdtv using the dvi cable, works great
  • [07:51:36] <sharief_> dougztr, can you tell me your mail ID?
  • [07:51:47] <sharief_> so that if i have any doubt i will mail you
  • [07:53:01] <sharief_> dougztr, what happened/
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  • [07:55:22] <brendans> thanks dougztr, I'm going to give your u-boot.bin a go, and see if it plays friendlier with my TV than the hacked-together boot lines I'm using
  • [07:55:41] <dougztr> i still can't run fw_printenv, i get CRC errors
  • [07:56:19] <sharief_> dougztr?
  • [07:56:42] <sharief_> ok i will try it
  • [07:56:54] <sharief_> Thanks a lot
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  • [07:58:45] <dougztr> cwillu_at_work, what was your magic fw_env.conf setting again? it scrolled out of my buffer
  • [07:59:05] <brendans> This is a bit random, but is anyone here familiar with the XMOS architecture? I'm planning on hooking my beagleboard to an XMOS XC-1 board, so I'll probably be working on getting the xgdb and xrun utilities to work under ARM linux.
  • [07:59:25] <brendans> I'll be happy to write some of it up if there are others who are interested.
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  • [08:20:40] <venkat_> hello how to download the images to the beagleboard target through serial port
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  • [08:21:53] <venkat_> hello dougztr how to download the images to the beagleboard target through serial port
  • [08:22:35] <XorA> venkat_: that is covered in various wikis, google is your friend
  • [08:23:00] <venkat_> can u provide me any link pls
  • [08:24:13] <XorA> no, Im at work
  • [08:26:29] <brendans> venkat_, you could try http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard#Serial_and_USB_boot
  • [08:30:12] <venkat_> brendans i didn't understand it properly my question is how can i download the images to board through serialport
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  • [08:31:10] <venkat_> brendans u got it now
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  • [08:36:05] <brendans> venkat_, which images do you mean? the entire system, or just u-boot configuration things?
  • [08:36:31] <brendans> the links there seem to deal with u-boot and how to interact over serial port; to be honest I haven't delved very deeply into the process
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  • [08:38:57] <venkat_> brendans i wanna download entire systems
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  • [08:42:29] <brendans> venkat_, I don't know of any way to do that in particular over the serial port. It's probably doable depending on what software you're running on the beagleboard itself, but either way it would be terribly slow
  • [08:43:10] <brendans> usually it's better to assemble the SD card image on another computer to the point it can boot; you can do updates and so on from within the running beagleboard system over ethernet or usb networking
  • [08:44:05] <dougztr> I got up off the bed and made it back to my desk :-)
  • [08:44:34] <dougztr> venkat_, try the angstrom demo system, its not too shabby, and its easy
  • [08:45:46] <dougztr> venkat_, read this.. it has links to the angstrom demo system and instructions how to set it up http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardBeginners
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  • [08:51:46] <venkat_> thanks alot dougztr
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  • [08:52:24] <dougztr> venkat_, thats what i started with because i wanted to play with BB *now*
  • [08:54:11] <dougztr> which mixer control is the actual volume? theres a billion mixer controls none of which look familiar
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  • [09:01:28] <_koen_> good morning all
  • [09:02:25] <jamsen> morning
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  • [09:03:30] <mlip2> hej, just a quick question: if the beagleboard uses ttyS2 as console, I can't use it is normal serial port, can I ? (or atleast I have to change the bootargs?)
  • [09:06:51] <dougztr> hej, that sounds right i think, because it would be running a getty on that line
  • [09:07:37] <dougztr> mlip2, you can always use usb -> serial adapters, or bluetooth stuff
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  • [09:08:57] <brendans> presumably you could change the bootargs,
  • [09:09:25] <brendans> but it would probably still output the u-boot information on bootup, so you'd need a peripheral that wouldn't get confused by that
  • [09:09:56] <mlip2> thx all; will try that.
  • [09:10:29] <mlip2> brendans: it should output u-boot information, and it should also be possible to get into uboot via serial
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  • [09:10:42] <mlip2> (as last hope)
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  • [09:17:44] <brendans> yep, I've done this, it's not a big deal
  • [09:18:14] <brendans> what I meant is, even if you were to disable it as a console, it would still output uboot information at power up
  • [09:18:30] <brendans> so your serial device would have to tolerate that
  • [09:18:44] <brendans> if you were trying to run a non-tty serial device on the port
  • [09:19:05] <mlip2> ofc
  • [09:19:30] <mlip2> just using a tx only device on the port, so this should cause no problem :)
  • [09:19:42] <brendans> GPS or something similar?
  • [09:19:53] <brendans> yeah, in that case you're probably fine
  • [09:19:55] <mlip2> special sensor
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  • [09:20:00] <brendans> ah, k
  • [09:20:09] <hrw> morning
  • [09:20:23] <brendans> mind if I ask what? (just being nosy)
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  • [09:23:04] <mlip2> actually it's a sensing device used by the army
  • [09:23:13] <mlip2> can't tell more ;)
  • [09:23:44] <brendans> lol, of course then, fair enough
  • [09:26:58] <dougztr> you can put extra serial ports on the expansion bus can't you?
  • [09:27:10] <brendans> I think there's at least one extra one
  • [09:27:27] <brendans> and there might be a second multiplexed with the LVDS breakout IIRC
  • [09:27:31] <brendans> (on the newer boards)
  • [09:27:37] <brendans> err, third that is
  • [09:28:18] <dougztr> i built the case with my BB with no provision for the serial port because i don't have the adapter yet (dooh!)
  • [09:29:52] <dougztr> well distcc is up and working between BB and my phenom over the wifi. cool beans!
  • [09:30:33] <brendans> I had a USB to RS232 serial cable lying around, so I made my own null-modem cable... cost about $5 in parts, and it's overbuilt at that
  • [09:30:35] <brendans> nice...
  • [09:31:16] <dougztr> my system is basically done. nothing to do except try and get things like SGX quake running and special stuff
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  • [09:31:43] <dougztr> i guess i should get on trying to compile a kernel from source
  • [09:31:45] <mlip2> brendans dougztr: i used the extra one and bricked a bb
  • [09:32:11] <dougztr> mlip2, it might be 3.3V
  • [09:32:14] <mlip2> used kernel multiplexing and to get the 2nd uart on the expansion header
  • [09:32:21] <brendans> actually, I think it's 1.8V
  • [09:32:26] <mlip2> and touched the wrong pins with my cables :/
  • [09:32:33] <dougztr> ouch
  • [09:32:39] <brendans> oh, that's not good
  • [09:32:48] <mlip2> and its fully bricked, can't even load uboot into nand
  • [09:33:01] <mlip2> wanted to do a post on the ml about this, but didnt have time so far
  • [09:33:21] <mlip2> but i think its destroyed because the chip is getting quite hot after a few secs
  • [09:33:36] <XorA> you touched RS232 to expansion header?
  • [09:33:40] <dougztr> mlip2, send it back...
  • [09:34:52] <brendans> I may end up playing with it later, but I almost wonder if the zippy is worth it just for the breaking out of extra peripherals
  • [09:34:58] <mlip2> I dont know exactly what has been touched, because I was on a coffee break, but as far as I have been told some pin 1-2 may have been conncted
  • [09:35:02] <brendans> plus the RTC... that's kind of a major annoyance
  • [09:35:23] <XorA> zippy rocks
  • [09:35:30] <XorA> prpplague_afk: gave me one
  • [09:35:39] <brendans> works well?
  • [09:35:42] <brendans> cool
  • [09:35:58] <dougztr> my rtc on C4 seems to be working, i don't have the battery installed though
  • [09:36:01] <brendans> I may pick one up from robotcraft.ca up here, but their shipping is fairly ridiculous
  • [09:36:02] <mlip2> dougztr: why should sending it back help ?
  • [09:36:03] <XorA> well actually I havent booted it yet, waiting on SD cards arriving
  • [09:36:11] <dougztr> mlip2, just kidding
  • [09:36:18] <mlip2> dougztr: .... ;)
  • [09:36:19] <XorA> bloody play.com managed to send 4 parcels bigger than a letter box
  • [09:37:53] <brendans> one of the things I plan to do with mine is to mount it in a little tracked robot chassis and have it drive around making a nuisance of itself... but I'm debating whether I really need wired ethernet with usb gadget support as functional as it is, and a bluetooth dongle planned
  • [09:38:47] <jamsen> Does anybody know how to run setterm command at boot up to stop the blinking cursor at the angstrom prompt?
  • [09:39:22] <_koen_> write an initscript and update-rc.d that
  • [09:41:32] <jamsen> I tried that, but it doesnt seem to run in the correct terminal
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  • [09:44:53] <mlip2> brendans: you disabled the console for debuging ?
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  • [09:45:04] <mlip2> i tried just remove the serial and console variables from bootargs
  • [09:45:23] <brendans> no, haven't tried that yet, I'm using the serial console at the moment
  • [09:45:23] <mlip2> the board booted, kernel output has been omitted, but i still got a login
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  • [09:45:29] <mlip2> ah ok
  • [09:45:51] <brendans> I would think you could adjust which gettys get spawned though
  • [09:45:56] <dougztr> mlip2, take the serial getty out of /etc/inittab
  • [09:46:36] <mlip2> i see
  • [09:47:19] <brendans> I'm off all, cheers
  • [09:47:26] <brendans> thanks for the help dougztr
  • [09:47:35] <dougztr> good luck
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  • [09:50:06] <mlip2> dougztr: thx works, but then i guess i dont have to change the bootargs; just disable the getty that is spawning
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  • [09:50:33] <mlip2> (for a sending only device)
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  • [09:52:36] <dougztr> do i need a special assembler to compile neon instructions?
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  • [09:56:12] <XorA> you need noble gas :-)
  • [09:56:57] <tsaaps> good morning everyone :)
  • [09:57:09] <dougztr> trying to compile xf86-video-omapfb and i'm getting {standard input}:110: Error: bad instruction `vld1.u8 {d0},[r8]!'
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  • [09:57:41] <XorA> what gcc?
  • [09:57:53] <dougztr> gcc version 4.3.4 (Gentoo 4.3.4 p1.0, pie-10.1.5)
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  • [09:58:13] <XorA> should be late enough as long as its been told about armv7a
  • [09:58:24] <dougztr> its running on my beagleboard
  • [09:58:48] <XorA> sounds like your gentoo build isnt the right architecture
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  • [09:59:24] <dougztr> i highly doubt that
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  • [10:00:35] <XorA> well that xorg module compile using Angstrom compilers
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  • [10:05:47] <venkat_> Hello iam bit confusing about SoC all ARM architectures are SoC only can i say 8051 is also SoC?
  • [10:08:26] <XorA> 8051 isnt a System its CPU only
  • [10:10:02] <venkat_> but it contains some pheriperals internally right?
  • [10:10:27] <XorA> nope
  • [10:11:37] <venkat_> so 8051 is only CPU where can i use term SoC
  • [10:12:02] <XorA> when there are peripheral controlls inside the same die as the CPU
  • [10:12:07] <XorA> controllers
  • [10:12:48] <venkat_> if i take OMAP3550 is it SoC?
  • [10:12:53] <XorA> yes
  • [10:13:15] <venkat_> so all ARM controllers are SpC only right?
  • [10:13:22] <venkat_> SoC
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  • [10:14:00] <XorA> they used to make some non SoC onces many years ago I think, but I think they are all SoCs now
  • [10:14:05] <venkat_> XorA answer me
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  • [10:14:32] * XorA works only in the SoC field so doesnt know much about arms outside that field
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  • [10:15:34] <venkat_> so all ARM controllers are SoC is there any x86 based SoC?
  • [10:15:40] <XorA> yes
  • [10:15:58] <XorA> Ive used 80186 and 80286 SoCs
  • [10:15:59] <venkat_> what is the x86 SoC?
  • [10:16:11] <hrw> vortex86(sx/dx/mx) are SoC
  • [10:16:12] <venkat_> ok i got it
  • [10:16:17] <XorA> and some of the new atoms Intel is chucking out are Socs
  • [10:16:19] <hrw> for example
  • [10:16:39] <venkat_> SoC are the latest trend now
  • [10:17:03] <XorA> depends, they are useful to keep chip count down, but limit you on possibilities
  • [10:17:29] <venkat_> if i take my desktop PC that is not SoC?
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  • [10:17:33] <XorA> useful for us embedded guys, less wires to solder
  • [10:18:01] <XorA> venkat_: that is correct, youve got a CPU then a north/southbridge to control the peripherals
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  • [10:19:45] <venkat_> so if i consider cpu in SoC or stand alone processor features are same right?
  • [10:21:06] <XorA> venkat_: effectively yes
  • [10:21:36] <XorA> venkat_: in reality I think they take some short cuts with the wiring, but if your looking at it as boxes on the diagram thats ok
  • [10:21:51] * XorA isnt a hardware designer
  • [10:22:50] <venkat_> and i need help on how can i download imazes to beagle board using serial port
  • [10:23:42] <XorA> venkat_: you have booted into u-boot? or you need to feed MLO/u-boot to board using serial
  • [10:24:47] <venkat_> i had all imazes like boot loader,kernel,fs i wanna download to board through serial port
  • [10:25:03] <venkat_> when iam working 1st time with beagleboard
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  • [10:25:54] <jamsen> I can stop the cursor blinking with 'echo 0 > /sys/devices/virtual/graphics/fbcon/cursor_blink' but how can I stop the screen from blanking or timing out?
  • [10:27:56] * XorA doesnt know how to do the mlo/u-boot magic from serial
  • [10:28:49] <venkat_> what is minicom
  • [10:29:26] <XorA> serial console program
  • [10:29:45] <venkat_> how can i use to download the imazes to target
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  • [10:29:55] <sharief> Hello
  • [10:30:16] <sharief> I am having problem in booting ubuntu kernel in my omap processor
  • [10:30:25] <sharief> can anyone help me
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  • [10:31:59] <sharief> i fetched the kernel but not booting
  • [10:32:25] <sharief> anybody knows what will be the problem?
  • [10:32:33] <virals> sharief: put output on pastebin & send in link
  • [10:33:02] <sharief> 3610172 bytes read ## Booting kernel from Legacy Image at 80000000 ... Image Name: 2.6.32.7-x7.1 Image Type: ARM Linux Kernel Image (uncompressed) Data Size: 3610108 Bytes = 3.4 MB Load Address: 80008000 Entry Point: 80008000 Verifying Checksum ... OK Loading Kernel Image ... OK OK Starting kernel ...
  • [10:33:10] <sharief> after this not going
  • [10:33:20] <sharief> standing in starting kernel
  • [10:33:24] <XorA> console= line correct?
  • [10:33:51] <sharief> yes correct
  • [10:34:00] <XorA> kernel is buggered then
  • [10:34:15] <sharief> so what have to do now?
  • [10:34:27] <XorA> use the Angstrom kernel
  • [10:34:41] <XorA> that is known good
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  • [10:36:15] <sharief_> XorA, could you please send me the link
  • [10:36:30] <XorA> www.angstrom-distribution.org
  • [10:36:37] * XorA always builds his own kernels
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  • [10:37:10] <sharief_> if i use another kernel i am getting this "mount: unknown filesystem type 'devpts' mountall: mount /dev/pts [465] terminated with status 32 mountall: Filesystem could not be mounted: /dev/pts"
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  • [10:37:47] <XorA> then you .config misses the devpts options
  • [10:38:17] <sharief_> actually the kernel works fine
  • [10:38:21] <sharief_> before
  • [10:38:23] <sharief_> but now
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  • [10:38:29] <sharief_> it is making some problem
  • [10:39:13] * XorA only recomends Angstrom for beagles anyway :-)
  • [10:39:55] <sharief_> whether this kernel will work in omap ubuntu?
  • [10:40:19] <XorA> I actually have no idea, but at least it will start booting
  • [10:40:27] <XorA> I avoid ubuntu like plague
  • [10:40:43] <_koen_> not like prpplague ?
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  • [10:41:59] <sharief_> ok thank you fine
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  • [11:03:57] <JDuke128> hi , i ve spent my days , how can i disable mouse X cursor on boot ? i couldnt find any way to stop it showing ?
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  • [11:08:52] <dougztr> JDuke128, there's a way to set it to a 1 pixel black dot using xcursor, you have to define a cursor bitmap and masks, not too hard, google it up
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  • [11:13:16] <sharief> hi
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  • [11:16:16] <sharief> mu kernel is not booting
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  • [11:17:31] <sharief> Hello
  • [11:18:07] <dougztr> sharief, which one? the one from my site?
  • [11:18:47] <buZz> JDuke128: there are X programs to hide it aswell
  • [11:19:02] <buZz> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/X11/contrib/utilities/unclutter-8.README
  • [11:19:28] <sharief> yes
  • [11:19:34] <sharief> yes dougxtr
  • [11:19:43] <sharief> sorry yes doudztr
  • [11:20:08] <dougztr> what revision is your board?
  • [11:20:22] <sharief> rev C4
  • [11:20:38] <dougztr> sharief, it should work, mine is a C4 too
  • [11:20:43] <sharief> Actually it works fine before
  • [11:20:56] <sharief> but once i changed another kernel and checked
  • [11:21:07] <sharief> after that it is not getting boot
  • [11:21:58] <sharief> it is standing in "Starting kernel". after that it is not going
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  • [11:26:19] <sharief> do you know what will be the problem?
  • [11:28:54] <JDuke128> unclutter ?
  • [11:29:00] <buZz> JDuke128: yes
  • [11:29:30] <JDuke128> i ve heard that someone told me to add argument better solution on Xserver ?
  • [11:29:54] <buZz> oh that could be
  • [11:30:00] <buZz> there is usually many roads to rome ;)
  • [11:30:19] <JDuke128> this : /etc/X11/Xserver
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  • [11:38:31] <sharief> it should work but its not working
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  • [12:27:07] <sharief> Hello
  • [12:27:51] <sharief> can anyine help me on booting the kernel
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  • [12:28:54] <sharief> i think the problem might be with the env
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  • [12:35:35] <anunakin> Any help on have ubuntu? after rootstock finished ... whats the mkimage commando to build my uImage?
  • [12:36:27] <sharief> anunakin, follow this http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#Create_U-Boot_boot_image
  • [12:37:24] <sharief> sorry anunakin, follow this http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#Create_uImage_for_U-Boot
  • [12:38:10] <dougztr> sharief, i'm out of ideas for your problem, sorry. i'm kind of new to this all myself
  • [12:38:43] <dougztr> sharief, it took me several days of messing around to bring my board up to 100%
  • [12:39:00] <sharief> dougztr i have some basic doubts. can you clear me?
  • [12:39:08] <dougztr> i can try
  • [12:39:29] <anunakin> sharief: thanks!
  • [12:39:29] <sharief> i created the uimage from this link http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#Create_uImage_for_U-Boot
  • [12:39:52] <sharief> anunakin,welcome
  • [12:40:12] <anunakin> sharief: I need some directions on Maemo 5, for beagleboard ...
  • [12:40:35] <sharief> when the kernel boots it gives some information like "eading uImage 3610172 bytes read ## Booting kernel from Legacy Image at 80000000 ... Image Name: 2.6.32.7-x7.1 Image Type: ARM Linux Kernel Image (uncompressed) Data Size: 3610108 Bytes = 3.4 MB Load Address: 80008000 Entry Point: 80008000 Verifying Checksum ... OK Loading Kernel Image ... OK OK "
  • [12:40:38] <anunakin> I have sbox installed, with all packages for Fremantle
  • [12:40:48] <dougztr> ShadowJK, the only thing that might be a problem is the video res, you could try 1024x768MR-16@60 that almost always works
  • [12:40:58] <sharief> so i think the problem might be with "bootm" in environment
  • [12:41:03] <dougztr> oops mis-tell that was for you sharief not ShadowJK
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  • [12:41:29] <dougztr> sharief, you're trying to bring up a console on the hdmi right?
  • [12:41:49] <sharief> yes. but now i got an another issue. My uImage is not booting
  • [12:42:14] <dougztr> sharief, you did cross-compile it right?
  • [12:42:42] <sharief> i followed this link "http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#Create_uImage_for_U-Boot"
  • [12:43:01] <buZz> sharief: you could add a console=ttyS0 or something
  • [12:43:08] <buZz> to at least see the kernel msgs on serial
  • [12:43:20] <dougztr> ^- good idea
  • [12:43:22] <sharief> yes i have this already
  • [12:43:31] <buZz> oh :(
  • [12:44:23] <sharief> i am already using "console=ttys0" in bootargs
  • [12:44:40] <dougztr> should be ttyS2 from what i can see
  • [12:45:28] <dougztr> hardly anybody has the extra serial ports installed, if it says use /dev/ttyS2 they probably mean it
  • [12:45:53] <dougztr> and ttys2 is not the same as ttyS2
  • [12:45:54] <buZz> oh i'm not sure which serial port you should/could use on beagle ..
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  • [12:46:03] <buZz> its ttyS2 on igep also
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  • [12:47:36] <sharief> "bootcmd=mmcinit;fatload mmc 0:1 0x80000000 uImage; bootm 0x80000000" i think this will be the problem
  • [12:48:28] <sharief> is this correct"
  • [12:48:33] <XorA> sharief: more likely your bootargs is wrong
  • [12:48:41] <hrw> definitelly
  • [12:48:42] <XorA> your log proves bootcmd is right
  • [12:49:12] <hrw> sharief: erase uboot environment partition, reset to get defaults and do not touch it
  • [12:49:14] <dougztr> sharief, mmc init; fatload mmc 0:1 0x80300000 uImage; bootm 0x80300000 is in the guide
  • [12:49:30] <XorA> dougztr: the exact address isnt too important
  • [12:49:34] <dougztr> oic
  • [12:49:38] <hrw> "console=ttyS2" is default and is the only working one if you do not have extensions
  • [12:49:41] <XorA> dougztr: anyway his log shows it works
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  • [12:49:54] <sharief> mmm
  • [12:50:08] <sharief> shall i format my u-boot environment?
  • [12:52:00] <dougztr> i don't even think i have an environment, i get crc error with fw_printenv, and i never used the serial console ever
  • [12:52:22] <hrw> dougztr: so yo have default probably
  • [12:52:26] <dougztr> yeah
  • [12:52:36] <hrw> fw_printenv from uboot-utils can be wrongly configured too
  • [12:52:54] <dougztr> i have it set according to /proc/mtd
  • [12:54:13] <dougztr> it always gives (running it now..) Warning: Bad CRC, using default environment
  • [12:57:25] <dougztr> proc/mtd has -> mtd1: 001e0000 00020000 "U-Boot" and mtd2: 00020000 00020000 "U-Boot Env"
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  • [13:27:17] <anunakin> All time I log on Ubuntu I need to change my pass, "You are required to change your password immediately (root enforced)" any help on how remove this ?
  • [13:28:06] <Stskeeps> fix your rtc
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  • [14:11:00] <anunakin> My USB Host (A female) not working on Ubuntu? any help? the mini A/B OTG is working! :-/
  • [14:11:34] <hrw> anunakin: usb2.0 device?
  • [14:12:16] <anunakin> yes
  • [14:12:33] <anunakin> a 2.0 usb powered hub
  • [14:12:56] <anunakin> this worked on Angstron
  • [14:13:22] <anunakin> and working on OTG port with my ZHost cable
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  • [14:17:33] <rcn-ee> anunakin, is this a c4 board? and did you leave uboot alone?
  • [14:17:53] <anunakin> yes its C4
  • [14:18:22] <anunakin> rcn-ee: I changed only uBoot on SC Card
  • [14:18:58] <rcn-ee> anunakin, what did you change it too? Only the factory C4 and koen's latest versions turn on the power rails for the ehci...
  • [14:19:40] <anunakin> rcn-ee: I got uBoot from http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/
  • [14:20:04] <anunakin> and put on SD Card no more ...
  • [14:20:40] <_koen_> factory uboot == koen's uboot in the C4 case :)
  • [14:20:43] <anunakin> Ubuntu loads ver well, but USB Host not working... mini USB works like Host
  • [14:20:44] <rcn-ee> anunakin, don't do that.. only "2009.11-rc1-00601-g3aa4b51" (factory) and koen's latest uboot.bin will work...
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  • [14:22:26] <anunakin> then can I remove uboot from my SD Card?
  • [14:22:49] <anunakin> for Angstron I used uboot from angstron site
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  • [14:23:30] <rcn-ee> yes, use koen's build from the angstrom site.. You don't need a uboot.bin on your sd card, unless your testing a later version, or you just don't like flashing over the factory one in nand..
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  • [14:24:30] <anunakin> rcn-ee: Thanks, I just got my BB board... and tring all ways...
  • [14:25:48] <rcn-ee> anunakin, cool.. the c4's are still relatively new, so there are a lot of wiki's that need to be updated...
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  • [14:28:30] <anunakin> rcn-ee: And there are many confusing information
  • [14:30:41] <dougztr> i ran into the EHCI problem like 2 days ago? very confusing until i traced it to u-boot
  • [14:31:11] <dougztr> i thought it was kernel problems until i did some sherlock holmes work
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  • [14:32:29] <dougztr> anunakin, I have collected working kernel 2.6.32 and u-boot, everything for your boot partition on rev C4 here -> http://www.mechalogic.net/beaglekernel/
  • [14:33:12] <anunakin> dougztr: thanks!
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  • [14:33:31] <dougztr> anunakin, i'm running that stuff there on my BB rev C4 with gentoo right now, its been up for about 12 hours with no problems
  • [14:33:42] <anunakin> I getting this error on ubuntu... "[ 28.686218] Unhandled fault: external abort on non-linefetch (0x1018) at 0x4033e000"
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  • [14:34:28] <anunakin> dougztr: Im a Gentoo user too, can you share your rootfs/stage4
  • [14:34:31] <anunakin> ?
  • [14:34:36] <dougztr> anunakin, the stuff on my site is a development kernel from ubuntu and the u-boot from angstrom demo
  • [14:35:12] <dougztr> anunakin, i suppose so, there might be some rough edges though
  • [14:35:27] <anunakin> rcn-ee: I removed uboot.bin, and now USB Host (A - female) is working
  • [14:35:32] <dougztr> hang on a sec let me post it
  • [14:35:50] <_av500_> _koen_: did not get to meet nic d., when we were done it was dark and all gone ...
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  • [14:36:43] <rcn-ee> anunakin, that error on ubuntu is normal for karmic.. (never traced what package it was) but it shouldn't stop your from gettting to a login prompt..
  • [14:36:48] <anunakin> dougztr: whats your rootfs size for Gentoo?
  • [14:37:29] <_koen_> _av500_: did you bring a blazer for me?
  • [14:37:46] <dougztr> anunakin, about 1.2GB uncompressed
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  • [14:37:55] <_av500_> _koen_: i will let you look at it
  • [14:38:05] <anunakin> I thinking about if we can run iPhone OS or iPad OS on BeagleBoard ...
  • [14:38:14] <_av500_> and it can play the videowall video nicely
  • [14:38:28] <_av500_> anunakin: no, that will brick it
  • [14:38:37] <_av500_> the only way to brick a bb....
  • [14:38:41] <anunakin> dougztr: nice...
  • [14:38:54] <anunakin> _av500_: hahahuahauhahuau
  • [14:39:13] <anunakin> _av500_: this can binck the user too!
  • [14:39:16] <anunakin> :P
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  • [14:40:24] <dougztr> anunakin, ok this is a stage5, root password is "beagle" its also tar.lzo so be forewarned
  • [14:41:15] <dougztr> anunakin, it has firefox, x-chat, xfce4
  • [14:41:30] <dougztr> anunakin, wpa_supplicant is installed
  • [14:41:53] <dougztr> anunakin, there's a squashfs of portage in /usr/portage too
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  • [14:41:54] <anunakin> dougztr: nice
  • [14:42:22] <dougztr> and it uses the sqlite portage db module
  • [14:42:36] <anunakin> dougztr: without squashfs for portage ... this can be a BIG problem on my 4GB SD card
  • [14:43:09] <anunakin> dougztr: "sqlite portage db module" I never used it
  • [14:43:12] <dougztr> yeah, once i had booted the image, i added a usb hard drive and put /var /home and /usr/portage on the hard drive
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  • [14:43:51] <anunakin> I think on use a pen-drive
  • [14:43:58] <dougztr> anunakin, it cuts /var/cache/edb down by about 60% and speeds up emerge calculating dependencies a lot
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  • [14:44:56] <dougztr> anunakin, but for light compiling my system should work, there isn't much else to really merge unless you want OOo or something
  • [14:45:35] <dougztr> it should be almost done uploading...
  • [14:46:01] <anunakin> ok
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  • [14:47:16] <dougztr> its kind of preconfig'd so you're gonna have to change hostname and stuff, its not packaged for generic distribution
  • [14:47:54] <anunakin> ok
  • [14:47:55] <dougztr> i'm gonna make a release version at some point
  • [14:48:05] <anunakin> like on stage4 ... files
  • [14:49:10] <anunakin> The max resolution is 1280x720? or can I get more?
  • [14:49:22] <dougztr> ok its ready, look in the gentoo subdir
  • [14:49:34] <anunakin> dougztr: Many thanks
  • [14:49:53] <dougztr> anunakin, let me know when you got it
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  • [14:51:19] <anunakin> dougztr: downloading
  • [14:51:52] <anunakin> dougztr: But my link is 1MB/s this going to take about 1:30h
  • [14:52:14] <dougztr> ok no problem, i'll leave it up for a day or two
  • [14:53:02] <anunakin> dougztr: ok
  • [14:53:07] <dougztr> unless the power goes out you should be ok, my server doesn't auto-start
  • [14:55:00] <dougztr> anunakin, hey that kernel patch there should bring vanilla 2.6.32 to the same version as there, i'm gonna try it later
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  • [14:56:37] <rcn-ee> dougztr, it should, as that's what i diff'ed it against.. ;)
  • [14:56:48] <Josh2> hi all, i know its a little off topic, but is anyone redboot savy?
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  • [14:57:55] <dougztr> rcn-ee, i stole it from some ubuntu karmic omap-2.6 git tree
  • [14:58:19] <dougztr> i think you recommended it
  • [14:58:37] <dougztr> or somebody here did, i forget now, it works nice in any case
  • [14:59:19] <rcn-ee> yeap, that's mine.. ;) that's the best version yet, as far as musb stability...
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  • [14:59:55] <dougztr> anunakin, you might have to provide some firmware if you need it for a wifi dongle or something, all thats there is rt73.bin for my wifi
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  • [15:00:12] <anunakin> hum
  • [15:00:38] <anunakin> dougztr: I have a old Dlink 122, usb dongle
  • [15:00:42] <dougztr> i think you can just copy the firmware from any 2.6.32 kernel tree
  • [15:01:03] <dougztr> its not arm-specific
  • [15:01:16] <anunakin> yes
  • [15:01:32] <jamsen> my angstrom distro is hanging at the angstrom splash screen (the one with the loading bar) has this happened to anyone else?
  • [15:01:40] <dougztr> that kernel has a billion modules :-)
  • [15:01:44] <jamsen> it boots to the command prompt after a while
  • [15:02:28] <rcn-ee> dougztr, yeah... just wait till i get it more in sync with ubuntu's config... ;)
  • [15:03:10] <anunakin> On lunch hour! back in soon
  • [15:03:36] <dougztr> rcn-ee, its a flexible kernel for sure. seems to run well for me so far
  • [15:03:40] <anunakin> dougztr: can you post the md5sum for roorfs file?
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  • [15:03:52] <dougztr> yeah hang on
  • [15:04:29] <rcn-ee> dougztr, yeap, it's good for everyone, and anyone who knows how to build kernels will tweak it anyways from the same source..
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  • [15:14:33] <kblin> hey rcn-ee
  • [15:15:32] <rcn-ee> hey kblin, hows the samba stuff going? we just tested another musb fix in 2.6.32.7-x7.1 if you were seeing corruption past 2 gig's.. ;)
  • [15:15:49] <kblin> rcn-ee: from some more long-time testing, it seems like with 2.6.31.5-x5.3 musb still dies occasionally. just less frequently than before
  • [15:15:52] <kblin> ah, I see
  • [15:16:53] <kblin> rcn-ee: I've updated my C2 to 2.6.32.7-x7.1 two days ago, so far so good :)
  • [15:16:58] <dougztr> musb is the OTG port?
  • [15:17:04] <kblin> yeah
  • [15:17:18] <rcn-ee> yeah i was seeing that too.. (turned out i also had a bad usb ethernet device) so it took a little time to filter out those errrors.. )
  • [15:18:16] <dougztr> my rt73 is working, transfer rates are poor though, i'm only seein ~30K/s with it
  • [15:18:50] <jamsen> how can you save variables in a u-boot env aagin? eg ${loadaddr}
  • [15:19:08] <rcn-ee> that's pretty bad, i still haven't got my rt73 to connect to my router... (on any computer... atleast)
  • [15:19:26] <dougztr> do you have the rt73.bin firmware?
  • [15:19:58] <jamsen> ah never mind, forgot the ' ' around the string
  • [15:20:15] <rcn-ee> yeah i do... but my netgear router has been flacky even on windows machines...
  • [15:20:43] <kblin> rcn-ee: ok, my C2 was dying every couple of days, the B6 was more stable. which is interesting, as I'd expect the B6 box to see more traffic. I'm planning to run some more stress tests on the C2 the next few days
  • [15:21:05] <dougztr> weird, i bought my rt73 device after reading its linux works reviews, its been a no-brainer
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  • [15:22:21] <dougztr> it just needs mac80211 and cfg80211, and rt73, wpa supplicant uses -Dwext then
  • [15:23:49] <rcn-ee> i've read those too... i'm really think it's my wndr3300 router thou, only a couple devices ever connect to it.. even from windows... just haven't found a moment to put dd-wrt on it..
  • [15:26:13] * kblin likes plain old ethernet :)
  • [15:26:23] <_av500_> poe
  • [15:26:31] <_av500_> popoe
  • [15:27:53] <rcn-ee> a poe usb-ethernet adapter with 5volt out would be very usefull for a beagle...
  • [15:28:30] <_av500_> but it would need to backfeed the bb over ehci :)
  • [15:28:39] <rcn-ee> or maybe a zippy3.. ;)
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  • [15:30:29] <dougztr> somebody said zippy2 should be out this week
  • [15:30:45] <XorA> cant be far, Ive seen one
  • [15:30:46] <_av500_> zippy3 ftw!
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  • [15:32:24] <_koen_> will zippy3 have gbit ethernet over spi?
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  • [15:32:59] <rcn-ee> with poe.. ;)
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  • [15:35:57] <_av500_> over i2c, no?
  • [15:36:23] <dougztr> bah just hook a tesla coil to beagle and let it power itself by sucking lighning bolts out of the air :-)
  • [15:36:28] <XorA> GigE over sneakernet
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  • [15:37:46] <dougztr> never underestimate the bandwidth of a tractor-trailer full of SD cards
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  • [15:38:19] <XorA> dougztr: packet re-ordering is a bit more difficult after a crash though :-)
  • [15:39:05] <dougztr> you'd need a hopper to dump them in with a feeder / loader thats all
  • [15:39:38] <XorA> Connection reset by cow!
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  • [15:45:59] <prpplague> greetings earthlings
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  • [15:51:29] <_koen_> oh dear, the texans have woke up
  • [15:52:08] <XorA> hehe
  • [15:52:14] <XorA> move their timezone
  • [15:54:13] <prpplague> hehe
  • [15:54:30] <prpplague> _koen_: worked late last night on some pxa310 stuff so slept a little this morning
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  • [15:57:33] <pokemonhxh> How can i start the beagleboard if i dont have RS232
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  • [16:22:53] <kanru> hi, anyone tried ubi with recent kernel?
  • [16:24:03] * kanru keep getting errors
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  • [16:25:11] <dougztr> dooh! i formatted my ipod and installed beagle angstrom on it :\
  • [16:25:32] <mobidev> :-o
  • [16:25:37] <dougztr> i don't think my ipod will boot it :-)
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  • [16:26:51] <mobidev> dougztr, where you find software for angstrom+iPod?
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  • [16:27:20] <dougztr> mobidev, i didn't
  • [16:27:30] <cwillu_at_work> he made an iPop!
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  • [16:30:44] <dougztr> i hope winamp can fix this, gtkipod isn't doing so well
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  • [16:43:21] <jamsen> Is it possible to disable power management in the linux kernel for beagle?
  • [16:43:30] <jamsen> i dont want my screen to turn off ever
  • [16:43:48] <cwillu_at_work> jamsen, in x?
  • [16:43:58] <jamsen> sorry, no console
  • [16:44:15] <jamsen> im running full screen raw graphics demos and the screen shuts off after 10 minutes
  • [16:45:08] <prpplague> jamsen: uh sounds like you are running X
  • [16:45:20] <prpplague> jamsen: the uart console doesn't support graphics of course
  • [16:45:34] <mru> fb console has graphics
  • [16:45:34] <cwillu_at_work> prpplague, not everybody uses x to draw things on the screen :p
  • [16:45:47] <prpplague> cwillu_at_work: indeed but it is the most common
  • [16:46:39] <prpplague> jamsen: if you are just using a fb console via the dvi , then there are some utilities that are available to adjust the screen blanking
  • [16:46:50] <prpplague> jamsen: screen blanking is not tied to power management
  • [16:46:50] <cwillu_at_work> jamsen, I think you just need setterm
  • [16:46:54] <jamsen> I have tried to use them
  • [16:46:59] <jamsen> here is my problem
  • [16:47:32] <jamsen> I need to auto run a demo which should keep active for 8+ hours
  • [16:47:50] <jamsen> but any setterm command i run at startup doesnt seem to work
  • [16:48:37] <jamsen> I have to manually type it in on the board.
  • [16:49:00] <cwillu_at_work> how are you running it on startup?
  • [16:49:28] <prpplague> jamsen: most likely the controlling tty that is calling the command on start up isn't set for the console
  • [16:50:06] <jamsen> I created a script in /etc/init.d called pmoff then made it active by typing 'update-rc.d pmoff defaults'
  • [16:50:17] <jamsen> prpplague: thats what i was thinking
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  • [16:50:30] <cwillu_at_work> setterm just outputs a control string to stdout. If it's not run on the console you care about, it won't do anything
  • [16:51:36] <jamsen> any idea how i can automate it?
  • [16:51:49] <mru> cwillu_at_work: that's not how setterm works
  • [16:51:58] <cwillu_at_work> mru, that's what the manpage says
  • [16:52:10] <cwillu_at_work> """setterm writes to standard output a character string that will invoke the specified terminal capabil???
  • [16:52:10] <cwillu_at_work> ities."""
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  • [16:52:37] <cwillu_at_work> I take no responsibility for inaccurate or incomplete documentation :p
  • [16:53:58] <mru> it uses various ioctl calls
  • [16:54:06] <mru> probably through tcsetattr
  • [16:55:18] <mru> never trust documentation
  • [16:57:42] <jamsen> is there anything in /sys/ is can set to stop the screen blanking?
  • [16:58:43] <prpplague> jamsen: easiest is just to make sure that setterm gets run on the console tty
  • [16:59:02] <jamsen> how?
  • [16:59:15] <mru> use setterm
  • [17:00:04] <mru> setterm -blank 0
  • [17:00:11] <mru> on a text console
  • [17:00:24] <mru> if you're using X, xset s off dpms 0 0 0
  • [17:01:00] <jamsen> i need to do this with startup scripts as I have my demo running as soon as i switch on the board
  • [17:01:16] <mru> so do that in the startup script
  • [17:01:45] <jamsen> I have, and its not working...
  • [17:01:56] <cwillu_at_work> from the same script that runs the demo"?
  • [17:02:06] <jamsen> yes
  • [17:02:37] <prpplague> jamsen: sysinit scripts aren't run with a controlling tty
  • [17:02:49] <mru> if the console is set to serial it won't work like that
  • [17:03:18] <jamsen> do i need to set my uboot args to run on tty0?
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  • [17:10:01] <jamsen> OK, that seems much more promising. I have set the console environment variable to tty0 and all of my startup output appeared on the screen and there was no error after any setterm command. I'm going to run a test now to see if PM is disabled. Cheers :)
  • [17:12:42] <dougztr> man i think my ipod is beagled! winamp reformatted it but its just blinking silently at me
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  • [17:19:43] <jamsen> brilliant, it worked!
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  • [17:28:00] <mru> _av500_: is that like the baseball world cup?
  • [17:28:25] <_av500_> yes
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  • [17:35:00] <jamsen> is it possible to auto login as root under angstrom? I've been wondering this wor a while
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  • [17:35:26] <_koen_> jamsen: it's linux, I bet google has some suggestions on how to do that
  • [17:36:06] <_av500_> _koen_: is there a way to root and jailbreak angstrom?
  • [17:38:24] <_koen_> _av500_: only is you have some acid, a needle and some patience to break the TPM chip
  • [17:40:07] <_av500_> aciiid!
  • [17:40:23] <dougztr> drop acid, shoot up with the needle, and then smack the TPM chip with a hammer?
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  • [17:49:02] <_av500_> jailbricked!
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  • [18:16:11] <Hoonse> hi guys
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  • [18:24:47] <Hoonse> i know its a stupid question but for what project do you use your beagles? =)
  • [18:25:16] <_av500_> youtube: fosdem videowall
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  • [18:42:43] <ds2> Morning
  • [18:42:59] <_koen_> hrw|gone: latest xinput-calibrator git breaks everything, it doesn't recognize any ts anymore :(
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  • [18:43:16] <prpplague> _koen_: lordy lordy
  • [18:43:35] <_koen_> it's adds a check on XI_TOUCHSCREEN
  • [18:43:56] <_koen_> and XI_TOUCHSCREEN is something that doesn;t work on all my devices here
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  • [18:58:20] <hrw|gone> koen: Tias is open for suggestions
  • [19:00:25] * _koen_ doesn't have a device where any version of xinput-calibrator does something usefull
  • [19:00:41] <hrw|gone> so do not complain
  • [19:01:00] <_koen_> xf86-input-tslib works fine on all of them
  • [19:01:06] <hrw|gone> tslib suxx balls
  • [19:01:16] <hrw|gone> xf86-input-tslib I mean
  • [19:01:21] <_koen_> so I want to move to evdev
  • [19:01:47] <hrw|gone> basically with TS devices there is no easy way now
  • [19:01:48] * hrw|gone is now known as hrw
  • [19:02:00] <_koen_> it seems people working on Xorg either have no clue or a nokia tablet
  • [19:02:20] <prpplague> _koen_: indeed
  • [19:02:28] <hrw> you can use xf86-input-tslib if tslib works for you but you need raw FB calibrator to run first.
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  • [19:02:32] * mru has two nokia tablets and still doesn't work on xorg
  • [19:02:43] <mru> long time since I did any work on that
  • [19:03:09] <hrw> you can also try xf86-input-evdev but this is lottery. some drivers will work out-of-box without even calibration required, some will give noise
  • [19:03:30] <hrw> and tslib driver is hard when you have more then one TS attached
  • [19:03:37] <_koen_> on zoom2 it uses relative axes -> no use
  • [19:03:45] <mobidev> hi to all
  • [19:03:55] <_koen_> on smartq5 it switches y axes and uses relative movement on X -> no use
  • [19:04:14] <_koen_> on touchbook I can't see what it does, but it's broken
  • [19:04:36] <Crofton> denix, you around?
  • [19:04:44] <denix0> yup
  • [19:04:53] <_koen_> prpplague: hurry up with that 7" showdog so I can bitch that evdev doesn't work on that as well ;)
  • [19:04:56] <hrw> on at91sam9263ek works oob. on bug evdev is near to unusable but I did not tried .dev builds yet
  • [19:05:05] <Crofton> how bad is it up there?
  • [19:05:06] <prpplague> _koen_: hehe
  • [19:05:28] <prpplague> _koen_: i have 3 lcd's here and i'm looking at how the best way to mount everything
  • [19:05:53] <hrw> prpplague: showdog with 3lcds? nice
  • [19:05:59] <_koen_> gaffatape and tiewraps
  • [19:06:05] <denix0> Crofton: yeah, quite bad
  • [19:06:12] <prpplague> hrw: hehe, no just 3 showdog boards
  • [19:06:20] <prpplague> hrw: three different prototypes
  • [19:06:35] <_koen_> that om-gta01 on beagle thing looks neat
  • [19:06:46] <prpplague> _koen_: yea
  • [19:06:49] * _koen_ has a useless omgta01 to use for that
  • [19:07:06] <Crofton> my friend near Annapolis has posted some pictures of the snow
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  • [19:07:07] <prpplague> _koen_: my main problem is i'm either getting no feedback or feedback that is widely varied
  • [19:07:08] <hrw> mine gta01 helps shr development now
  • [19:07:27] <denix0> Crofton: schools are closed all week, government offices too, many businesses...
  • [19:07:39] <prpplague> _koen_: basically its boild down to just the lcd and touchscreen, with a pass through for the expansion header
  • [19:08:31] <Crofton> we can get around, but I think poeple will start losing power due to wind
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  • [19:10:14] * _av500_ gives prpplague widely varying feedback: make smaller, larger and cheaper
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  • [19:11:01] <denix0> hunderds of thousands people lost power during weekends storm, we'll se about today...
  • [19:11:06] <prpplague> _av500_: thats about what i'm getting
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  • [19:11:49] <_av500_> prpplague: hand cranked bb power uspply seems to be more needed, no?
  • [19:11:54] <prpplague> _av500_: 10% want just the lcd and ts, 20% want buttons , 20% want 320x240, 20% want 800x480, 25% want a pass through for the expansion bus
  • [19:12:12] <prpplague> _av500_: hehe i have one here
  • [19:13:00] <prpplague> _av500_: uses the base from this - http://www.surpluscomputers.com/348891/neiko-12-super-bright-led.html
  • [19:13:54] <prpplague> _av500_: runs the beagle with a few options for about 45 minutes on one minute of cranking
  • [19:14:05] <cwillu_at_work> will it help you to choose my options if I say I love you? :p
  • [19:14:55] <prpplague> cwillu_at_work: only if you are a tall brunet with 38-DD's
  • [19:15:02] <_av500_> prpplague: ok, but i dont get why they buy an oversized wall clock ....
  • [19:15:06] <cwillu_at_work> I'm tall and brunette
  • [19:15:25] <cwillu_at_work> partial credit? :p
  • [19:15:30] <prpplague> _av500_: ??
  • [19:15:58] <prpplague> _av500_: oh you mean the surplus place? because they have bulk warehouse deals
  • [19:16:07] <prpplague> _av500_: they have to purchase the whole lot
  • [19:16:14] <_av500_> i thought it is stuff ppl buy in winter for power out :)
  • [19:16:25] <_av500_> like tool, lamps etc :)
  • [19:16:37] <_av500_> x-fi card...
  • [19:16:49] <prpplague> _av500_: ahh you mean the "customers also purchased"
  • [19:16:54] <_av500_> yup
  • [19:16:58] <_av500_> :)
  • [19:16:59] <prpplague> _av500_: right, no clue on that
  • [19:17:03] <ds2> i want a 2048x2048 LCD ;)
  • [19:17:06] <prpplague> cwillu_at_work: what features did you want?
  • [19:17:10] <prpplague> ds2: hehe
  • [19:17:21] <cwillu_at_work> I'll go with ds2's suggestion :)
  • [19:17:29] <cwillu_at_work> but I'm a vote for the 800x480
  • [19:17:40] <ds2> 800x480 is no fun
  • [19:17:43] <ds2> too small
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  • [19:18:05] <prpplague> cwillu_at_work: showdog with 800x480 at $149USD, that is reasonable for you?
  • [19:19:53] <_av500_> ds2: I have 3840x3072 lcd
  • [19:20:13] <ds2> _av500_: an actual LCD, not a plasma or other variants?
  • [19:20:23] <_av500_> the videowall :)
  • [19:20:33] <ds2> cheater :P
  • [19:20:45] <cwillu_at_work> prpplague, yep
  • [19:20:53] <cwillu_at_work> prpplague, that's a touchscreen?
  • [19:20:55] <_av500_> it hasa nonuniform pixel distribution
  • [19:20:59] <prpplague> really the item i keep getting stuck on is adding things like buttons and such
  • [19:21:08] <prpplague> cwillu_at_work: yea 4-wire via a tsc2007
  • [19:21:12] <cwillu_at_work> okay
  • [19:21:20] <cwillu_at_work> buttons are easy enough to do myself
  • [19:21:21] <_av500_> prpplague: then dont
  • [19:21:28] <ds2> 24bit?
  • [19:21:32] <prpplague> yea
  • [19:21:51] <ds2> so you will be stealing expansion connector signals to do that then?
  • [19:22:34] <cwillu_at_work> I suppose that's what that means, eh... problem?
  • [19:22:35] <_av500_> prpplague: just make sure you have expansion stuff on solder pads if you use it
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  • [19:23:39] <prpplague> ds2: i haven't decided yea
  • [19:23:50] <prpplague> ds2: i was considering limiting it 18
  • [19:23:56] <_av500_> no
  • [19:24:08] <_av500_> looks crap
  • [19:24:11] <ds2> prpplague: ah... I really wish they put a GPIO there instead of leaving 1 pin unused
  • [19:24:30] <_av500_> ah, not the lcd 18bit :)
  • [19:24:34] <_av500_> me stupid
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  • [19:25:27] <ds2> cwillu_at_work: do you care what size the LCD is?
  • [19:25:58] <cwillu_at_work> ds2, physical size? not terribly, although I'm definitely in favour of higher resolutions
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  • [19:26:08] <_av500_> ds2: no, as long it is 800x480
  • [19:26:23] <ds2> this could get interesting ;)
  • [19:26:38] <_av500_> if ppl want to run meamo they need 800x480
  • [19:26:52] <prpplague> 7" 800x480 seems to be the sweet spot in pricing
  • [19:26:52] <_av500_> same for all current android stuff
  • [19:26:59] <_av500_> prpplague: hmm
  • [19:27:06] <ds2> alrighty
  • [19:27:12] <cwillu_at_work> 7" is good for me
  • [19:27:16] <ds2> it shall be done...
  • [19:27:16] <_av500_> i guess they are a lot of 7" from the car nav world
  • [19:27:28] <ds2> it is available in different sizes
  • [19:27:30] <prpplague> _av500_: hehe that was exactly what i was about to type
  • [19:27:44] <ds2> cwillu_at_work: when are you willing to take delivery? :D
  • [19:27:53] <cwillu_at_work> ds2, how soon can I have it?
  • [19:27:54] <prpplague> _av500_: all the 800x480 i have available that are relatively inexpensive are all from autos
  • [19:28:12] <ds2> cwillu_at_work: what if I say in 1 week or less? :D
  • [19:28:15] <_av500_> prpplague: they have not caught you yet?
  • [19:28:22] <prpplague> _av500_: ??
  • [19:28:29] <cwillu_at_work> ds2, you're not prpplague. is there something I'm missing here?
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  • [19:28:39] <_av500_> we are borg
  • [19:28:56] <prpplague> cwillu_at_work: ds2 does a design for a lcd board on the beagle
  • [19:28:58] <ds2> cwillu_at_work: I also produce LCD interface boards :D
  • [19:29:03] <cwillu_at_work> ah :)
  • [19:29:06] <cwillu_at_work> ds2, link?
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  • [19:29:26] <_av500_> ds2, bridge?
  • [19:29:31] <prpplague> _av500_: http://www.rad-tech-labs.com/images/PICCture_Board.jpg
  • [19:29:47] <ds2> cwillu_at_work: this is the current 480x272 stuff- http://www.hy-research.com/beagle_lcd2.html
  • [19:29:58] <prpplague> _av500_: one of my custom boards running with the prius 800x480 7" lcd
  • [19:30:11] <ds2> if there is a desire for 800x480, that can be done for that
  • [19:30:21] <_av500_> i hope you did not steal it from woz's prius...
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  • [19:30:31] <prpplague> _av500_: herhe
  • [19:30:40] <ds2> ewwwwww road hazards
  • [19:30:49] <prpplague> _av500_: i have pretty much an entire prius electrical system on a desk here
  • [19:31:00] <cwillu_at_work> ds2, 800x480 is definitely preferable from my perspective
  • [19:31:13] <prpplague> ds2: that seems to be the main focus for people
  • [19:31:17] <ds2> cwillu_at_work: and what I am saying is I can turn that into 800x480
  • [19:31:22] <cwillu_at_work> ds2, how much?
  • [19:31:30] <ds2> prpplague: I mean the prius's
  • [19:31:41] <ds2> cwillu_at_work: same ball park
  • [19:31:46] <prpplague> ds2: the 800x480 seems to be the main focus for people
  • [19:32:05] <ds2> prpplague: I know... I haven't been dormant for the last few months ;)
  • [19:32:32] <prpplague> <ds2> if there is a desire for 800x480, that can be done for that
  • [19:32:47] <prpplague> ds2: right, just making the comment that there seems to be the desire
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  • [19:33:00] <_av500_> ds2: maybe you speak in your sleep?
  • [19:33:05] <ds2> prpplague: that's the talk... want to see some $$ behind those claims ;)
  • [19:33:07] <cwillu_at_work> ds2, 150 or so?
  • [19:33:13] <ds2> cwillu_at_work: yeah
  • [19:33:22] <prpplague> ds2: indeed
  • [19:33:30] <cwillu_at_work> prpplague, 140?
  • [19:33:56] <ds2> prpplague: right now, the way I see it is there are about as many folks who will say they need 1024x600 (or some other random resolution)... money talks louder
  • [19:33:56] <prpplague> cwillu_at_work: the showdog with 800x480 will retail for $149
  • [19:34:04] <prpplague> ds2: indeed
  • [19:34:05] <cwillu_at_work> this "playing one off the other" thing works better if you go along with it :)
  • [19:34:45] <ds2> cwillu_at_work: don't worry... we'll each have unique features to make your life complicated ;)
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  • [19:38:35] <_av500_> prpplague: will have RG display, ds2 will have GB, I offer RB...
  • [19:38:43] <prpplague> _av500_: nope not woz's prius - http://www.rad-tech-labs.com/images/PICCture_Board2.jpg
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  • [20:05:38] <cwillu_at_work> prpplague, ds2, <3
  • [20:05:44] <cwillu_at_work> just talked to my bosses
  • [20:06:03] <cwillu_at_work> I can has 7" 800x480 beagle expansion board in a week you say?\
  • [20:07:01] <ds2> won't be a 7" in a week... 4-5" range
  • [20:07:14] <cwillu_at_work> when can I get a 7"?
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  • [20:07:56] <ds2> that might be a bit further out... I don't have a ETA on that
  • [20:08:46] <mru> 7" takes longer to grow
  • [20:09:07] <ds2> its needs to be aged properly like fine wine
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  • [20:12:00] <cwillu_at_work> do you have an eta on the eta?
  • [20:12:16] <ds2> I am hoping to know early march
  • [20:12:21] <mru> a meta-eta, or a meta
  • [20:12:43] <ds2> now if someone were to order a large batch, the scheduling could change ;)
  • [20:13:11] <cwillu_at_work> define large batch
  • [20:13:16] <mru> 32"
  • [20:13:19] <ds2> 100? 200?
  • [20:13:36] <cwillu_at_work> can't go that big
  • [20:13:43] <ds2> 50?
  • [20:13:45] <cwillu_at_work> at least, not yet
  • [20:13:51] <cwillu_at_work> more than one? :)
  • [20:14:06] <cwillu_at_work> bad time of year for big purchases
  • [20:14:08] <mru> a large-valued one?
  • [20:14:21] <ds2> not enough to move a sched
  • [20:14:27] <ds2> organize a group buy ;)
  • [20:14:56] <cwillu_at_work> prpplague, eta on showdog once the specs get sorted out?
  • [20:15:30] <prpplague> cwillu_at_work: 20-30 days for pre-production, 45-60 for retail
  • [20:15:46] <prpplague> cwillu_at_work: i have a number of prototypes in hand now
  • [20:17:25] <cwillu_at_work> prpplague, I would take a 7" basically the moment it was available, and if we get it working correctly, probably a dozen over the next 6 months. I'm not suffering under the delusion that this isn't enough to really shift your priorities, but ya :)
  • [20:18:04] <prpplague> yea the showdog is going to be completed soon one way or another, just trying to finilize the details
  • [20:19:17] <muriani> hm
  • [20:19:19] <muriani> $150
  • [20:23:34] <prpplague> cwillu_at_work: we are commited to doing 1k unit run for the showdog, so it will be available soon
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  • [20:23:49] <cwillu_at_work> great
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  • [20:35:18] <dougztr> usually thats how manufacturing goes, you can order 1 for $10000 each or 1000 for $10 each :-)
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  • [20:36:43] <buZz> are those beagle lcd kits easily moddable for igepv2? :)
  • [20:36:56] <ds2> buZz: kits?
  • [20:37:28] <buZz> boards :)
  • [20:37:30] <ds2> they might work as is assuming no physical issues
  • [20:37:44] <ds2> buZz: I have boards, and an older design I was liquidating as kits
  • [20:38:38] <buZz> ah, they use the normal beagle expansion port
  • [20:38:44] <buZz> afaik thats pin compatible, nice :)
  • [20:39:20] <ds2> no, it uses the LCD header
  • [20:39:36] <ds2> but AFAIK, the IGEPv2 has the same pin out different mechanical location
  • [20:39:39] <ds2> am I mistaken?
  • [20:40:14] <buZz> i believe the LCD header has a different pinout .. lemme find it
  • [20:40:24] <ds2> the first rev used a flexible connection to the header and that can be mod'ed pretty easily
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  • [20:45:18] <buZz> yeah totally different position for the connector anyway
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  • [20:47:00] <buZz> pinout is different aswell :/
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  • [21:14:22] <umass_sdp> need help with beagleboard gpio, anyone familar with it?
  • [21:16:06] <umass_sdp> cant write pins high or low, trying to make an LED flash on and off
  • [21:17:02] <ds2> buZz: neither of which is an issue with the first design
  • [21:17:17] <ds2> buZz: if you really want to attempt...
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  • [21:20:51] <svosusr3> does anyone have firefox-3.6 debian packaged uploaded some place?
  • [21:21:36] <cwillu_at_work> svosusr3, debian and ubuntu hav firefox-3.6 packaged in their repositories
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  • [21:22:44] <svosusr3> cwillu_at_work : oh is it.I searched packages.ubuntu.com under karmic.could not find one.I could find 3.5
  • [21:23:23] <rcn-ee> svosusr3, yeah, it's the ports server.. ports.ubuntu.com...
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  • [21:53:25] <svosusr3> rcn-ee: i couldnt find it.i tried karmic ,updates,security ,backports in port.ubuntu.com. i looked for firefox-3.6
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  • [22:05:22] <rschmidt> svosusr3: these guys have FF 3.6 built as a deb: http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ubuntuzilla/index.php?title=Main_Page
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  • [22:08:54] <nhg> Please note that this event will be held tomorrow for anyone who might be interested: http://omapzoom.org/zoomtraining.html
  • [22:10:41] <cwillu_at_work> svosusr3, check launchpad for mozillateam'sbuilds
  • [22:11:53] <brendans> on a new gentoo stage3 install, I can't seem to get the serial console to come up; the boot messages show, but the agetty doesn't activate properly
  • [22:12:17] <brendans> anyone know if there's something I need to do besides adding "s1:12345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 115200 ttyS2 vt100" to /etc/inittab?
  • [22:12:36] <mru> that looks correct
  • [22:12:51] <ds2> have you checked to see if you have agetty installed?
  • [22:13:34] <_av500_> home....
  • [22:13:49] <ds2> ~ not found.
  • [22:14:05] <brendans> hmmm... that's a very good point ds2, I'll take a look
  • [22:14:08] <brendans> thanks
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  • [22:17:12] <_av500_> beer
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  • [22:20:45] <brendans> ds2, it appears to be in /sbin, I just checked
  • [22:20:55] <brendans> but good thought; that hadn't even occurred to me
  • [22:23:43] <prpplague> brendans: btw, the trainer board might be a better choice than the zippy if all you want to do is some hardware hacking/interfacing
  • [22:24:11] <brendans> prpplague, that has a prototyping area and atmega168 onboard, right?
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  • [22:25:49] <prpplague> brendans: yea
  • [22:27:13] <brendans> actually, that could be pretty handy... the lack of RTC is driving me a bit crazy just at the moment, but that wouldn't be too difficult to add on the I2C bus now that I think about it
  • [22:27:54] <brendans> do you know if there's an estimated price yet? I know the zippy comes in around $100 CAD, but I'm not sure how much of that is the ethernet phy
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  • [22:28:28] <brendans> either way, thanks for the heads up prpplague
  • [22:28:41] <prpplague> np
  • [22:28:51] <prpplague> brendans: the trainer will be available by the end of the month
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  • [22:39:25] <brendans> incidentally, I figured out the login problem; it was the lack of sulogin lines
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  • [22:51:52] <djlewis> prpplague, Hi, you mentioned a coming avr programmer. is one required for the Trainer?
  • [22:52:32] <prpplague> djlewis: if you want to change the default application on the avr yes
  • [22:52:45] <prpplague> djlewis: small investment that is reusable
  • [22:52:57] <djlewis> oh, the news slips out, there is some software in it?
  • [22:53:21] <prpplague> djlewis: just a small test app that basically makes the avr a gpio expander
  • [22:53:25] <prpplague> djlewis: nothing major
  • [22:53:43] <prpplague> djlewis: i really wrote it as a test app to use during production
  • [22:53:58] <djlewis> I do know the atmega 168 has a lot of functionality
  • [22:54:43] <djlewis> seems it will have to be programmed to utilize all Trainer features related to the 168?
  • [22:54:53] <brendans> prpplague, have you considered installing something like the Arduino bootloader on it, so that it could be programmed via the serial port?
  • [22:55:01] <brendans> IIRC it's about 1-2 kB
  • [22:55:03] <djlewis> oooh cool
  • [22:55:55] <prpplague> brendans: yea i did consider that, however i need to look at the rules on that, the arduino folks have some odd license requirements iirc
  • [22:55:59] <brendans> and it can bootload normal AVR executables just fine on a Linux toolchain, so you're not locked into wiring
  • [22:56:06] <brendans> k
  • [22:56:21] <prpplague> brendans: i'm not against it, just need to look into it
  • [22:56:44] <brendans> my impression is that it's GPL, but fair enough :) don't get sued
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  • [22:57:20] <prpplague> brendans: the code is GPL, but the license for saying "arduino bootloader" is a trade mark
  • [22:57:41] <djlewis> i could live with that prompt ;)
  • [22:58:01] * djlewis wants easy...
  • [22:58:25] <prpplague> "These are boards whose manufacturers work with the Arduino team to ensure a good user experience, compatibility with the Arduino software, and a quality product. In return for their status as official boards, the manufacturers pay a licensing fee to the Arduino team to support the further development of the project. "
  • [22:58:35] <prpplague> "In general, we try to restrict use of the name ???Arduino??? to the official boards. If you find a product under a different name but described as ???Arduino compatible???, it???s probably not an official board and doesn???t fund continued work on the project. "
  • [22:59:22] <brendans> prpplague, yeah, I can see why you'd want to be careful of it
  • [22:59:49] <prpplague> brendans: i think we can use the bootloader, but call it arduino compatible
  • [22:59:58] <prpplague> brendans: but i would need clarification for legal purposes
  • [23:00:06] <djlewis> that part about "insuring a good user experience" probably they all get one free ;)
  • [23:01:13] <ds2> use a MSP430 instead
  • [23:01:46] <ds2> or one of the punier ARMs
  • [23:02:01] <djlewis> or a 8051 version with the ISP ;)
  • [23:02:24] <ds2> not many cheaper programmers for the 8051 variants :/
  • [23:02:32] <prpplague> ds2: avr/arduino is too popular to go against for such things
  • [23:02:45] <djlewis> only need a serial port with the ISP bootloader
  • [23:03:00] <ds2> prpplague: prehaps... I am just not convinced the AVR is a good choice for most things
  • [23:03:10] <prpplague> ds2: it isn't
  • [23:03:27] <prpplague> ds2: but since when does that make a difference to people buying stuff
  • [23:03:37] <prpplague> ds2: you have to cater to what people want to buy
  • [23:03:55] <ds2> prehaps
  • [23:03:59] <prpplague> ds2: and the arduino/avr crowd want to use the beagle, but they want to keep using what they are familiar with
  • [23:04:14] <ds2> I just don't see that much real demand (measured in $$$$) for that stuff
  • [23:04:23] * djlewis was just kiddin around about 8051
  • [23:04:44] <ds2> djlewis: 8051's are a fine core
  • [23:04:47] <djlewis> but they do have a bootloader variety :)
  • [23:04:55] <prpplague> ds2: we already have a commitment for 400 pieces from a single buyer, so.....
  • [23:05:05] <djlewis> cool prpplague
  • [23:05:15] <ds2> prpplague: great... you can keep the monopoly ;)
  • [23:07:10] <prpplague> ds2: i research the !@#% out of what people are asking for before we build
  • [23:07:58] <ds2> prpplague: I am not arguing it is a bad idea to fleece as much $$ ;)
  • [23:08:17] <_av500_> prpplague: 400 avr supercluster?
  • [23:08:19] <ds2> I might think otherwise when they come in the smaller packages
  • [23:08:29] <prpplague> ds2: i did not understand your statement
  • [23:08:57] <ds2> prpplague: just saying... it is a fine idea if all you want to do is squeeze cash out of people
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  • [23:09:56] <prpplague> ds2: ?? that is kind of an odd statement, that gives the impression that i'm selling snake oil
  • [23:09:56] <djlewis> ds2: the 14 year ld Dallas DS5k 8051 variant has a serial bootloader and its nvram battery is still holding.
  • [23:10:34] <ds2> prpplague: not snake oil... not an insult at all... it is a business thing; I prefer to build on the technical merit
  • [23:10:56] <ds2> djlewis: is that one in a really tall DIP-40?
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  • [23:11:24] <djlewis> I see prpplague products to be perfectly sound technically and market wise.
  • [23:11:33] <djlewis> ds2 yep the big ol black one
  • [23:11:41] <prpplague> ds2: yea me too, but i'll chose money in the bank anytime over technical merit
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  • [23:12:37] <djlewis> ds2, one cant do a parallel re program of a 8050 flavor in circuit?
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  • [23:12:51] <ds2> djlewis: not the original ones
  • [23:12:53] <djlewis> all lines go to other devices
  • [23:12:56] <ds2> they require high voltages
  • [23:13:20] <ds2> easiest is the ezUSB stuff...next is the SiLab stuff
  • [23:13:25] <djlewis> yea I lifted the /EA line for 12vDC on one inckt.
  • [23:13:42] <ds2> why not just get a SiLabs chip?
  • [23:13:45] <djlewis> trying to get to it serialy but it wont echo
  • [23:14:04] <djlewis> I dont want to spend cash when I have weekends to burn ;)
  • [23:14:08] <ds2> I think I used a variant of that dallas chip but with an external EEPROM
  • [23:14:20] <ds2> toolstick + board is sub $30 the last I check
  • [23:14:46] <djlewis> the ds5k is upstairs counting 0 - 254 binary on LEDS atm.
  • [23:15:26] <ds2> there are quite a few neat embedded 8051 cores
  • [23:15:35] <djlewis> it needed a task after 14 yrs in a box.
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  • [23:17:39] <venkat_> hello where i can find the linux kernel for beagleboard
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  • [23:26:28] <venkat_> hello where can i get softwres for beagleboard
  • [23:29:06] <djlewis> start at beagleboard.org
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  • [23:29:52] <venkat_> can u give me any link
  • [23:30:08] <djlewis> sure, try beagleboard.org
  • [23:31:13] <venkat_> i know dat link but i didn;t find any softwares
  • [23:31:53] <djlewis> that link takes you to every most every place you might need to go for your BeagleBoard.
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  • [23:33:33] <djlewis> hmm
  • [23:34:21] <muriani> android boots!
  • [23:34:22] <muriani> \o/
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  • [23:34:46] <muriani> just loaded up the Eclair I built yesterday
  • [23:34:47] <djlewis> ya gotta love Android to really appreciate that ;)
  • [23:34:54] <muriani> heh
  • [23:35:06] <ds2> how many sticks of butter did you use? :D
  • [23:35:13] <muriani> or just have a specific purpose in mind, for which Android is the easiest solution.
  • [23:35:42] <djlewis> use the right tool for the job, i always say.
  • [23:35:54] <ds2> which is almost always never android ;)
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  • [23:36:01] <djlewis> hehee
  • [23:36:04] <muriani> almost always, yes.
  • [23:36:07] <muriani> however.
  • [23:36:19] <ds2> why would you want to use a hacked up kernel in a nonstandard userland?
  • [23:36:22] <muriani> there happens to be a Pandora app for Android.
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  • [23:36:57] <ds2> there are plenty of choices for a nice userland (ready to and documented)
  • [23:36:58] <muriani> and I don't know of any non-flash-requiring way of accessing Pandora on such a system.
  • [23:37:11] <muriani> oh, I had Angstrom on it previously
  • [23:37:25] <ds2> muriani: "a Pandora app for Android" <--- what is pandora in this context?
  • [23:37:44] <muriani> I actually just built up a Narcissus image the other day since my old one was, well, old.
  • [23:37:54] <muriani> ds2: www.pandora.com
  • [23:38:04] <muriani> personalized streaming internet radio
  • [23:38:12] <ds2> ah
  • [23:38:17] <ds2> vs pandora the hw device
  • [23:38:24] <ds2> or the music group or ....
  • [23:38:25] <muriani> vs the OpenPandora, yes.
  • [23:39:07] <muriani> I'm not familiar with the music group.
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  • [23:39:34] <muriani> Just the radio service, the box, and the planet containing copious amounts of unobtanium.
  • [23:40:02] <djlewis> ds2 u use a free compiler for 8051?
  • [23:40:12] <ds2> djlewis: sometimes
  • [23:40:15] <djlewis> sofar I have tried sdcc
  • [23:40:24] <ds2> unless I am trying to use vendor code then it is quicker to use their tools
  • [23:40:39] <djlewis> u-huh ...
  • [23:40:42] <ds2> sdcc works fine
  • [23:40:53] <ds2> djlewis: I am not porting a wireless stack to another compiler.
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