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  • [00:14:41] <s4wrxttcs> anyone familiar with how to install all the python packages available using the opkg command?
  • [00:15:25] <s4wrxttcs> I'm trying to get the Cherokee webserver working, It does work, but the cherokee-admin won't work without a python
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  • [00:16:04] <s4wrxttcs> so I install python, but the cherokee-admin still doesn't work
  • [00:16:18] <s4wrxttcs> but it does work on another machine with a LOT more python packages installed
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  • [00:16:43] <s4wrxttcs> none of the documentation seems to tell me which package it wants
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  • [00:17:53] <s4wrxttcs> note - this on a beagleboard using sakomans gnome for beagleboard
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  • [00:30:46] <torusle> my chilli-coke tastes really good!
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  • [01:11:21] <s4wrxtt> I really like the gnome environment on the beagleboard, but it has drawing issues
  • [01:11:30] <s4wrxtt> where it leaves patches of garbage on the screen
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  • [01:15:19] <s4wrxtt> where enlightment is faster, doesn't have drawing issues. but I hate the lack of copy and paste in the terminal
  • [01:15:25] <s4wrxtt> or I'm doing something wrong
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  • [01:28:06] <djlewis> in angstrom term you can left button hold, drag over test, right click on end of line to copy.
  • [01:28:37] <djlewis> of course let up the left button before using right one.
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  • [01:28:50] <djlewis> test = text
  • [01:30:33] <djlewis> that was for s4wrxtt
  • [01:30:39] <s4wrxtt> thanks
  • [01:30:41] <s4wrxtt> I'll try it
  • [01:31:42] <djlewis> I copy paste between my Beagle and my workstn all the time.
  • [01:32:05] <djlewis> I too prefer the gnome terminal. Multiple tabs, works great etc.
  • [01:32:39] <s4wrxtt> do you get the graphical glitches?
  • [01:33:55] <djlewis> I get some green blotches at times. sakoman is looking into it.
  • [01:34:18] <s4wrxtt> yeah thats it
  • [01:34:24] <s4wrxtt> if it was just a bit faster
  • [01:34:38] <s4wrxtt> and without the graphical glitches
  • [01:34:59] <djlewis> I'd say it performs as well as a 500Mhz with 256M ram can be expected to considering the overhead.
  • [01:35:13] <s4wrxtt> I'm using it on a C4
  • [01:35:19] <djlewis> :P
  • [01:35:20] <s4wrxtt> err, rev c4
  • [01:35:35] <djlewis> still :P
  • [01:35:37] <s4wrxtt> my c3 got stolen
  • [01:35:41] <djlewis> sorry man.
  • [01:35:54] <djlewis> I am using last years C2
  • [01:36:10] <s4wrxtt> anytime something can do a lot of things its gets stolen for someone else's project
  • [01:36:36] <djlewis> can you hunt down the scoundrel and put some hurt on em?>
  • [01:36:55] <s4wrxtt> I sorta assisted so I could get the C4 board
  • [01:37:09] <s4wrxtt> the 720MHz chip and the USB host fix seemed like a good idea
  • [01:37:09] <djlewis> ah, the truth trickles out...
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  • [01:37:45] * djlewis is waiting for the next generation before getting another.
  • [01:38:19] <s4wrxtt> *can't wait till they have a cortex a9 version
  • [01:38:26] <s4wrxtt> but that will probably be awhile
  • [01:39:10] <djlewis> I find the c2 to be a very good board. Just a little troublesome with usb webcam.
  • [01:40:01] <s4wrxtt> I'm just glad the problem has been resolved
  • [01:40:13] <fenn> is it generally much faster to copy an entire image to an sd card with "dd" than to "cp" the individual files?
  • [01:40:16] <s4wrxtt> one of those really nasty problems
  • [01:40:28] <s4wrxtt> fenn - I'd say so
  • [01:41:03] <s4wrxtt> assuming lots of files, etc
  • [01:41:49] <fenn> ok that explains why it's taking so long (over 30 mins for 600MB)
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  • [01:43:01] <s4wrxtt> *has no clue how to get php to work with cherokee
  • [01:43:21] <s4wrxtt> all I want to do is to trigger something (even like an LED) via a website
  • [01:43:27] <s4wrxtt> cherokee works
  • [01:43:30] <s4wrxtt> php is installed
  • [01:43:36] <s4wrxtt> I can configure cherokee
  • [01:43:59] <s4wrxtt> *googles for examples
  • [01:46:41] * djlewis can light a led with his rabbit 3700 board via WEB page
  • [01:47:00] <s4wrxtt> is that running linux?
  • [01:47:08] <djlewis> Hardly... heheee
  • [01:47:21] <djlewis> just a little c prog
  • [01:47:23] <s4wrxtt> yeah, doing it on a PIC was so much easier
  • [01:47:38] <djlewis> Pic with a web page?
  • [01:47:46] <s4wrxtt> yeag
  • [01:48:07] <s4wrxtt> yeah, some of the recent ones have a netwok port
  • [01:48:27] <djlewis> yep the omap is not so straight forward where toggling gpio is concerned.
  • [01:48:44] <s4wrxtt> the gpio I can do
  • [01:48:58] <s4wrxtt> its figuring out how to get it from the webpage to the C program
  • [01:49:07] <s4wrxtt> that my knowledge has a giant hole in it
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  • [01:55:20] <ds2> fenn: are you doing it in OE? if so, that's because the default is to mount things SYNC
  • [01:56:28] <fenn> no i am just flailing around with parted and wondering what the difference is between all these disk images
  • [01:57:03] <fenn> apparently kooen's narcissus image builder doesn't install an MLO or u-boot.bin to the /boot?
  • [01:57:19] <ds2> MLO must be in the root directory
  • [01:57:34] <ds2> u-boot.bin needs to be but it is less of a must
  • [01:57:43] <fenn> that doesn't work if /boot is the bootable partition
  • [01:57:50] <fenn> or at least i dont think it would
  • [01:58:05] <ds2> Oh you are looking at it from inside the running environment?
  • [01:58:09] <fenn> no
  • [01:58:18] <fenn> i have an sd card mounted to /mnt/...
  • [01:58:20] <ds2> MLO/u-boot.bin needs to be in the first partition, FAT32, root directory
  • [01:58:36] <fenn> right
  • [01:58:43] <ds2> then?
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  • [02:07:48] <fenn> well, now it displays orange instead of half of a beagle :)
  • [02:08:15] <fenn> so at least i know it's loading something from the card
  • [02:08:17] <ds2> as in you see a citrus fruit instead of a dog mooning you? ;)
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  • [02:08:46] <fenn> humorous, but no, just the color
  • [02:12:05] <s4wrxtt> okay, so now php scripts can run via a webpage
  • [02:12:12] <s4wrxtt> so I'm close to my goal
  • [02:12:17] <s4wrxtt> I think
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  • [02:52:08] <tomatoes7> i just got my beagleboard, its missing a pin on the jtag port
  • [02:52:32] <tomatoes7> is it supposed to be missing?
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  • [03:01:14] <djlewis> tomatoes7: your bible
  • [03:01:15] <djlewis> http://beagleboard.org/static/BBSRM_latest.pdf
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  • [03:03:45] * fenn wonders why the 1939MB image won't fit on the 1949MB partition
  • [03:04:12] <fenn> fortunately i expected this to take all day/week
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  • [03:04:31] <ds2> how are you dd'ing?
  • [03:04:51] <fenn> time sudo dd if=Angstrom-Beagleboard-demo-image-glibc-ipk-2009.X-dev-20090903-beagleboard.rootfs.img of=/dev/sdb2 bs=1024
  • [03:05:06] <ds2> try bs=2048k
  • [03:05:15] <ds2> the bigger block size seems to help
  • [03:05:41] <fenn> why would that matter? (trying now)
  • [03:05:51] <ds2> not sure
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  • [03:06:18] <ds2> there seems to be some large magic numbers that sped things up last year when we were all dd'ing SD cards for ESC
  • [03:08:39] <fenn> i wonder if the demo image could be slightly less packed to the gills, as maybe all "2GB" cards are not created equal
  • [03:08:56] <ds2> definitely all 2G cards are not equal
  • [03:09:31] <fenn> ran out of space with bs=2048k
  • [03:09:34] <fenn> oh well
  • [03:09:45] <ds2> at least you knew before you went to bed ;)
  • [03:10:01] <ds2> try it... it may work to at least get somewhere
  • [03:10:11] <ds2> it all depends on how the partition table was setup
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  • [03:13:39] <fenn> i can't even mount the filesystem. i'd rather not have one more source of unexplained errors anyway
  • [03:13:59] <ds2> then you best create the SD by hand and use the tarballs
  • [03:14:05] <fenn> yeah
  • [03:14:19] <fenn> it was just taking a long time to copy files, upwards of an hour
  • [03:14:22] <ds2> it is a pretty straight forward process
  • [03:14:43] <ds2> that's probally because you have it mounted as sync...mount it by hand or use the option to disable sync mounting
  • [03:14:44] <fenn> trying a stripped down version from narcissus now
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  • [03:27:04] <djlewis> fenn: putting together a SD can be done in <= 15 minutes
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  • [03:27:15] <hinv> howdy,
  • [03:27:21] <djlewis> ho
  • [03:27:36] <hinv> anybody know the difference between the c3 and c4 beagleboards?
  • [03:27:52] <djlewis> a 3 and a 4
  • [03:27:57] <fenn> djlewis: i'm sure it can, once you figure it out
  • [03:27:57] <djlewis> ;)
  • [03:28:36] <djlewis> fenn: I been there. built so many SD's testing I got it down. Still follow a howto I wrote though
  • [03:29:13] * djlewis has far too many "slept since then" moments :P
  • [03:30:00] <djlewis> hinv: 1 major dif, = more stable EHCI
  • [03:30:21] <djlewis> so they say
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  • [03:54:28] <djlewis> night
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  • [03:55:45] <hinv> djlewis, can you point me to where I would find the documention on this, like "release notes"?
  • [03:56:11] <hinv> I heard that the c4 is also 720MHz. Is that true?
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  • [05:17:58] <torusle> Ha! 10% speedup of my DSP code...
  • [05:18:13] * torusle celebrates.
  • [05:18:21] <ds2> remove all those sleep(1) calls don't count :P
  • [05:19:43] <torusle> I restructured my innerloops a little bit..
  • [05:21:13] <torusle> I can now demosaic a camera-image with 167 megapixels/second..
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  • [05:27:01] <torusle> funny thing btw: dsplink only initializes the DSP to use half of the caches on start...
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  • [06:27:38] <Differentkindof> Anyone using ubuntu arm?
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  • [06:28:24] <Differentkindof> Or angstrom actually... I have a few really strange questions
  • [06:28:43] <fenn> really strange questions?
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  • [06:29:00] <Differentkindof> Well here's my Linux experience in general
  • [06:29:18] <Differentkindof> Have used redhat know very minor amounts of c++
  • [06:29:34] <Differentkindof> And recently have switched to ubuntu meh
  • [06:29:35] <av500> sorry for you on both accounts :)
  • [06:29:51] <Differentkindof> Thinking of picking up an sbc
  • [06:29:59] <Differentkindof> Beagleboard seems sweet
  • [06:30:10] <Differentkindof> But since I oversimplify things
  • [06:30:12] <av500> 'tis
  • [06:30:27] <fenn> i always overcomplicate things
  • [06:30:39] <Differentkindof> I was wondering that if angstrom and ubuntu etc most distros have make
  • [06:30:48] <fenn> GNU make? of course
  • [06:30:57] <Differentkindof> And a package I wanna use employs c and tcl
  • [06:31:01] <av500> make cost extra
  • [06:31:18] <fenn> please send an envelope full of cash to my P.O. box which i'll be sending shortly
  • [06:31:18] <Differentkindof> I dint see why it would be a pain to make/build the package
  • [06:31:28] <Differentkindof> Hehe
  • [06:31:48] <Differentkindof> I mean excepting lobs that may be dependencies or some such
  • [06:32:07] <Differentkindof> Right? (here's where you say no you're stupid)
  • [06:32:10] <fenn> if its a package you don't generally need to compile anything
  • [06:32:20] <Differentkindof> I mean tarball
  • [06:32:27] <Differentkindof> Source sorry
  • [06:32:58] <Differentkindof> As I said I'm surely oversimplifying and I'm forgetting curvature of the earth or some such
  • [06:33:07] <fenn> well, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't, doesn't matter what you know
  • [06:33:10] <av500> the earth is flat!
  • [06:33:19] <Differentkindof> Doh flat earthers abound
  • [06:33:47] <Differentkindof> But let's say I make it it'll throw an error if there's something wrong eh
  • [06:33:47] <fenn> so Differentkindof did you have a question?
  • [06:34:14] <Differentkindof> Yeah will puredata extended build on angstrom or ubuntu arm on a beagleboard?
  • [06:34:49] <fenn> hm. does that require a realtime kernel or anything?
  • [06:35:04] <Differentkindof> Doesn't require but I think it's helpful
  • [06:35:15] <Differentkindof> I've run it on STD and rt kernels before
  • [06:35:26] <fenn> i dont see any reason it wouldnt work
  • [06:35:48] <Differentkindof> It's more my total unfamiliarity with arm and being told stoff needs massive work to port
  • [06:36:01] <Differentkindof> And me not getting what I must be missing
  • [06:36:31] <Differentkindof> And not being able to tell f any source is arch dependent if it's not stated x86
  • [06:37:08] <fenn> try building for x86 first then
  • [06:37:31] <Differentkindof> Right right on STD ubuntu no a problem ever
  • [06:37:56] <Differentkindof> So all should be well excepting some freaky non ported libraries I guess
  • [06:38:10] <Differentkindof> Yay pd and gephex would make life awesome
  • [06:38:23] <av500> .....versions exist for Win32, IRIX, GNU/Linux, BSD, and MacOS X running on anything from a PocketPC to an old Mac to a brand new PC
  • [06:38:37] <Differentkindof> I think DJWillis would throttle me I'd he was listening
  • [06:39:18] <Differentkindof> Yeah but pure data anywhere (PDA) is crippled hard and that's the only standard arm version I've seen around
  • [06:39:42] <Differentkindof> So I figured smarter people than I ran into problems which would mean I'd be lost
  • [06:40:39] <Differentkindof> I mean I just have to wait for sweet hardware to show up and tinker
  • [06:41:03] <Differentkindof> I was just hoping to get at least prepped
  • [06:41:09] <av500> Differentkindof: well, the BB is a tab more powerfull than your average PDA from 5ys ago...
  • [06:41:17] <Differentkindof> So I don't chuck hardware towards a wall
  • [06:41:27] <Differentkindof> I assumed <g>
  • [06:41:49] <Differentkindof> The beagles just seem so cool
  • [06:42:26] <Differentkindof> Ordered one and the lucite case
  • [06:43:32] <Differentkindof> That being said I thank you all for putting up with my stupidity and I will sleep better now
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  • [07:04:51] <tushar> hi i am new to beagle board. i just purchased a board and powered it though otg
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  • [07:05:36] <tushar> power led is glowing on but USR0 and USR1 leds are not glowing. PMU STAT is blinking once in 3 sec
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  • [07:05:56] <tushar> as per http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardBeginners USR0 and USR1 should glow
  • [07:06:44] <tushar> i also tried rs232 link(using proper cable and baud rate and other settings) but not getting any response from board
  • [07:06:50] <tushar> what should i do?
  • [07:14:39] <av500> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardRecovery
  • [07:15:01] <fenn> wtf. after 4 hours of "bad input signal" on the monitor, the furnace turns on and i get a new user creation screen
  • [07:15:01] <av500> http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleboardRevCValidation
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  • [07:26:46] <adj> fenn: I must admire your patience as for most of us waiting for even 10 minutes is too long :)
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  • [08:00:35] <mobidev> hi to all
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  • [09:05:40] <XeMa> Hello everyone
  • [09:05:58] <XeMa> did anyone tried the UART recovery ?
  • [09:06:18] <XeMa> I flashed the x-load.bin
  • [09:06:21] <dhaval1> Hello everyone.. I want to do hardware accelerated decoding of video using TI Gstreamer plug-in, I downloaded angstrome image from narcissus online builder with support for TI gstreamer plug in, do i need to install DVSDK for running Gstreamer with hardware accelerated encode/decode?
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  • [09:07:07] <XeMa> but the u-boot it is not working !
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  • [09:07:23] <XeMa> Failed after 4 retries in sequence 0 - success send = 0 bytes Data transmit failed
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  • [09:37:45] <hgs> hi everyone, in omap3530 (silica 3.1), when playing videos which were downloaded to MMC (mounted as rootfile system), using wget i found the video playback to be stuttering, sometimes the following error is getting displayed , "EXT2-fs error (device mmcblk0p1): ext2_free_blocks: EXT2-fs error (device mmcblk0p1): ext2_free_blocks: bit already cleared for block 1109360bit already...",
  • [09:37:46] <hgs> but if i play the content which was already uploaded to mmc from PC, i found the issue was occuring can any one clarify this/
  • [09:38:36] <hgs> sorry small correction in the last message: but if i play the content which was already uploaded to mmc from PC, i found the issue was "not" occuring can any one clarify this
  • [09:41:50] <hgs> iam passing the following bootargs "mem=88M console=ttyS0,115200n8 noinitrd root=/dev/mmcblk0p1 rw rootfstype=ext2 rootdelay=5 $(video_arg)" am i missing something ?
  • [09:42:01] <hgs> like sync??
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  • [10:19:47] * hrw-gone-fosdem is brussels
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  • [10:20:22] <av500> you are brussels?
  • [10:21:39] <turtle_> i got my beagleboard connected to my laptop over rs232, i can't type anything at the prompt "OMAP3 beagleboard.org #"
  • [10:22:01] <hrw-gone-fosdem> in
  • [10:22:05] <av500> you connected it wrong
  • [10:22:15] <hrw-gone-fosdem> free slow wifi ate letters
  • [10:22:20] <mru> turtle_: you're using the wrong idc-dsub adaptor with a straight instead of crossover cable
  • [10:23:09] <turtle_> you mean my rx and tx lines need to cross over?
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  • [10:23:40] <hrw-gone-fosdem> time to go
  • [10:24:02] <av500> turtle_: no, as you can see the prompt one line is ok, the other is not
  • [10:24:40] <av500> so your idc-dsub adaptor is wrong
  • [10:24:56] <turtle_> damn
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  • [10:25:57] <turtle_> should i get a new null modem cable?
  • [10:25:59] <av500> http://www.klikhome.com/demos/BBSerial.jpg
  • [10:26:06] <av500> thats is what you need in the end
  • [10:26:56] <turtle_> umm ok
  • [10:27:06] <turtle_> switch the 2 and the 3?
  • [10:27:15] <av500> no
  • [10:27:19] <nrossi> 5 = ground, 2 = Tx (of the BB) 3 = Rx (of the BB)
  • [10:27:21] <av500> [11:24] <av500> turtle_: no, as you can see the prompt one line is ok, the other is not
  • [10:28:10] <turtle_> better get out my continuity tester
  • [10:28:22] <av500> yup
  • [10:34:16] <turtle_> i'm glad i have an old cut DB9F to F
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  • [10:35:37] <turtle_> hmmm
  • [10:35:41] <turtle_> its late
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  • [10:37:29] <turtle_> av500, thanks for the help, goodnight all
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  • [12:46:29] <siji> hi all
  • [12:46:59] <siji> am trying to build angstrom for beagle with clutter support
  • [12:47:13] <siji> so anybody can mention the procedure for it
  • [12:48:11] <av500> angstrom is not cluttered enough?
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  • [12:48:46] <siji> av500, ??
  • [12:48:52] <av500> never mind
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  • [15:31:11] <ajd> list
  • [15:31:22] <av500> file not found
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  • [15:43:07] <ajd> Can the OMAP Resizer hardware be used on the beagleboard?
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  • [15:43:50] <prpplague> ajd: resizer hardware?
  • [15:44:43] <_koen_> ISP resizer
  • [15:44:44] <av500> ajd: yes
  • [15:44:52] <av500> both
  • [15:45:02] <av500> ISP and DSS resizers work
  • [15:47:52] <ajd> av500: i'm a newbie. is there a kernel module i need?
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  • [15:50:38] <av500> ajd: I think there is one
  • [15:50:46] <av500> but what do you want to resize?
  • [15:51:48] <ajd> av500: hi res imagery to be output on s-video
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  • [15:52:17] <av500> and it is in contigous memory buffers?
  • [15:52:43] <ajd> yes
  • [15:52:50] <av500> good
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  • [16:07:16] <djlewis> gm
  • [16:07:25] <av500> gm
  • [16:07:29] <djlewis> _av500_: ping
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  • [16:08:16] <djlewis> _av500_: hi, earlier you pasted a link to the BB serial image.
  • [16:08:41] <djlewis> It shows conflicting wiring to page 114 of the latest bbsrm
  • [16:09:11] <djlewis> even pins on left and odd on right.
  • [16:09:55] <djlewis> I can see it if it is the pov of the pc end
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  • [16:10:47] <av500> it is from you
  • [16:10:56] <av500> feel free to update the jpg, my bookmakr stays :)
  • [16:12:08] <djlewis> Just seems it should be labeled, connect those PC pin numbers to the header as shown.
  • [16:12:25] <djlewis> otherwise it wont help a newbie at all
  • [16:12:56] <av500> update it
  • [16:13:02] <djlewis> nope.
  • [16:13:07] <av500> wasnt it yours?
  • [16:13:10] <djlewis> nope
  • [16:13:16] <av500> ah, my bad
  • [16:13:29] <av500> i will ask china to take that server off the net
  • [16:13:54] <djlewis> and please ask them to lay off google while you are at it ;)
  • [16:14:16] <av500> sure
  • [16:14:19] <djlewis> :)
  • [16:16:03] <djlewis> time for me to get ready to join society tis day.
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  • [16:35:52] <sam_> is the beagle board wireless enabled
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  • [16:36:59] <muriani> not initially, you can add a USB wifi adapter though
  • [16:37:34] <sam_> is the USB wifi is being provided with the beagleboard
  • [16:38:23] <muriani> no
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  • [16:39:38] <sam_> does the beagleboard support video streaming
  • [16:40:13] <av500> depends
  • [16:40:31] <bgamari> Does the Beagle board driver not have any spi_board_info in 2.6.32?
  • [16:40:50] <sam_> depends on video type or ????
  • [16:41:59] <av500> video type, resolution, streaming protocoll, etc etc etc
  • [16:42:35] <sam_> ok then will u plz mention which file type does it support?
  • [16:43:22] <av500> no, got my own homework to do atm
  • [16:44:43] <djlewis> muriani: long time no see.
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  • [16:44:59] <muriani> anything you have a decoder for. The beagle has a generic DSP that can be coded how you liek.
  • [16:45:02] <muriani> ooor nevermind
  • [16:45:06] <muriani> yeah, it's been awhile
  • [16:46:13] <muriani> I'm pissed about the Wrap920 glasses not being transparent as we were promised :(
  • [16:46:35] <muriani> all my HUD dreams went away.
  • [16:46:42] <djlewis> bummer
  • [16:47:01] <muriani> ah well.
  • [16:47:18] <muriani> I'm gonna try some of these projects people have been working on
  • [16:47:22] <muriani> android, nthplayer, etc
  • [16:47:30] <djlewis> cool
  • [16:47:48] <muriani> I think I might have a winner with android on the device, given the touch-centric UI and the availability of apps
  • [16:48:18] <muriani> as much as I loathe that everything rins through a VM
  • [16:48:30] <muriani> at least it'll be as fast as the Droid :P
  • [16:48:56] <muriani> if there was a recent maemo5 release for it, I'd try that.
  • [16:49:01] <av500> muriani: you can program native code nicely
  • [16:49:08] <av500> on android
  • [16:49:29] <av500> use java for the ui and jni for the grunt
  • [16:49:32] <muriani> and package it as .apk?
  • [16:49:42] <av500> sure
  • [16:49:44] <muriani> I've not really dug into android.
  • [16:49:53] <muriani> huh, I wonder why more people aren't doing that.
  • [16:50:08] <muriani> davlik's fast, but it's not native fast.
  • [16:50:26] <av500> muriani: ppl do that
  • [16:50:33] * djlewis has to head to the office, later guys...
  • [16:50:41] <av500> you think all the nav guys rewrote their engines in java?
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  • [16:50:48] <muriani> hm. I don't know that I've seen any examples of it
  • [16:51:01] <av500> I have
  • [16:51:11] <muriani> oh, I've not looked at any nav stuff outside stock maps
  • [16:51:32] <av500> same for a lot of guys that existed on other platforms before
  • [16:51:46] <muriani> I'll have to give that a look-see later
  • [16:52:12] <muriani> I'm mostly gonna be running Pandora on it if I can :P
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  • [18:42:49] <ds2> morning
  • [18:42:57] <tahsin> can anyone help me? i recently compiled an image with rootstock.. and the username doesnt show up in gui login
  • [18:43:33] <tahsin> and running xfce4
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  • [18:50:29] <tahsin> can anyone help me? i recently compiled an image with rootstock.. and the username doesnt show up in gui login
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  • [18:54:57] <torusle> hi everyone.
  • [18:55:14] <tahsin> hey
  • [18:55:20] <tahsin> can anyone help me? i recently compiled an image with rootstock.. and the username doesnt show up in gui login
  • [18:55:29] <torusle> no idea..
  • [18:55:55] <tahsin> hmm this is the first time i am having this problem too
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  • [18:56:14] <torusle> I don't even know what rootstock is...
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  • [18:58:17] <tahsin> i see
  • [18:58:37] <ds2> please STOP repeating
  • [19:00:03] <tahsin> ok
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  • [19:01:37] <ogra> tahsin, come over to #ubuntu-arm for rootstock questions
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  • [19:05:06] <torusle> does anyone know if the DSP of the OMAP3530 still has the MAR-registers, or have they been removed in favor to some MMU settings?
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  • [19:16:42] <torusle> to answer my own question: They still exist.
  • [19:20:10] <torusle> Grrrrr and they aren't set up properly..
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  • [19:40:07] <torusle> Oh the subtle differences between DaVinci and OMAP3530...
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  • [19:41:40] <chroos> does anyone know about programming the arm core on the omap lowlevel?
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  • [19:43:22] <prpplague> chroos: almost everyone you are going to meet are using an OS on the omap3, the only developers who will be running in a lowlevel mode are those doing development work on x-load and u-boot
  • [19:44:13] <prpplague> chroos: if you want look at how those are built, that might give you some ideas
  • [19:44:36] <prpplague> chroos: is there a specific reason you don't want to run an OS on the omap3 ?
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  • [19:46:07] <chroos> prpplague i want to use it as an development board
  • [19:46:28] <prpplague> chroos: and you are unable to do that running an OS?
  • [19:47:02] <ds2> write u-boot applets
  • [19:47:11] <chroos> no, but i just dont want to use an OS
  • [19:47:34] <prpplague> chroos: well you are going to find you will be re-inventing alot of stuff to make it work
  • [19:47:52] <chroos> thats what i want
  • [19:47:53] <prpplague> chroos: easiest would be start out looking at u-boot and how it is built
  • [19:48:14] <ds2> u-boot is not an OS
  • [19:48:53] <prpplague> ds2: was that a statement for me or chroos ?
  • [19:50:22] <chroos> but whats so wrong in not using an os?
  • [19:50:46] <ds2> prpplague: more for chroos
  • [19:51:12] <chroos> if i am able to programm the arm core, its a standard microcontroller and i already have access to the dsp core
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  • [19:51:42] <prpplague> chroos: the cortex-a8 really isn't considered a microcontroller
  • [19:52:16] <prpplague> chroos: just that in order to take advantage of many of the features for the OMAP3 you are going to have to do _alot_ of work
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  • [19:52:48] <prpplague> chroos: if you are limiting it to just some very basic features, then you probably could get away with it
  • [19:53:11] <chroos> i use an omap-l138 with arm9 core
  • [19:54:21] <chroos> prpplague what do you mean ?
  • [19:54:25] <chroos> with a lot of work
  • [19:55:30] <ds2> chroos: in that case, start with the ARM-ARM then look at the TRM
  • [19:55:37] <ds2> or vice versa
  • [19:55:44] <prpplague> chroos: for example, if you wish to use a SD card on your device, you will need to write a SD card driver from scratch, or perhaps you want to communicate with a peripheral via SPI, then you will need to write code for that
  • [19:56:30] <chroos> prpplague yes, that how it works on embedded systems and that what i want to do
  • [19:56:42] <chroos> im not new to that stuff just new to omap
  • [19:57:29] <prpplague> chroos: the comparison you are probably thinking of is more for microcontrollers, working with Systems-on-Chips is a totally different ball park
  • [19:57:48] <prpplague> chroos: but hey, whatever floats your boat
  • [19:57:56] <chroos> i bought it because of the dsp.. and i thought it would be nice to have the arm as nice co-core
  • [19:58:29] <chroos> i know some nice synthesizers that are made with that dsp
  • [19:59:19] <chroos> and ti says its a full dsp PLUS the arm core, so i dont think i am that much restricted
  • [20:03:32] <torusle> chroos, if the user-mode restrictions come into the way you can always put the stuff into a kernel-module..
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  • [20:44:06] <SM1> and i am getting errors like Multiple packages (ti-dsplink-module and ti-dsplink-module) providing same name.
  • [20:44:06] <SM1> Installing ti-dsplink-module (1613-r46a.1) to root...
  • [20:44:06] <SM1> Collected errors:
  • [20:44:06] <SM1> * Package ti-dsplink-module md5sum mismatch. Either the opkg or the package in.
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  • [21:14:01] <torusle> damn!
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  • [22:55:37] <gregoiregentil> Ping felipec?
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  • [22:57:13] <felipec> gregoiregentil: pong
  • [22:57:30] <gregoiregentil> felipec: I have a question regarding gst-dsp
  • [22:57:38] <gregoiregentil> and that may interest other people so I'm posting here
  • [22:57:52] <gregoiregentil> Can jpeg images be decoded by DSP with libomxil-bellagio on the userspace side, plus the right code in DSP? Does libomxil-bellagio depend on libomxil-ti? I guess that I don't need at all gst-openmax. Could it conflict with gst-dsp?
  • [22:58:23] <awozniak> test
  • [22:58:40] <felipec> gregoiregentil: libomxil-bellagio and libomxil-ti are independent
  • [22:59:16] <gregoiregentil> OK. libomxil-bellagio has some libjpeg libraries, so I guess that it can decode jpeg images. Moreover, it's mentioned on the website
  • [22:59:30] <gregoiregentil> but I don't understand what is doing the link (=the call) to the DSP side?
  • [22:59:30] <felipec> there's a dsp jpeg decoder, but I haven't used it either with gst-dsp or gst-openmax
  • [22:59:44] * prpplague is now known as prpplague_afk
  • [22:59:51] <gregoiregentil> So I have two questions:
  • [23:00:06] <felipec> gregoiregentil: yeah, but most problably it's using libjpeg... so it's the same as GStreamer's jpegdec
  • [23:00:08] <gregoiregentil> do you know what is doing the link bewteen liboxmil-bellagio and the DSP side?
  • [23:00:24] <felipec> gregoiregentil: bellagio doesn't use the DSP
  • [23:00:52] <gregoiregentil> OK. that clarifies the situation...
  • [23:01:30] <gregoiregentil> so two more questions ;-)
  • [23:01:45] <gregoiregentil> are you aware of a project that is using dsp jpeg image decoding?
  • [23:02:38] <gregoiregentil> And have you ever seen the jpegdec_sn.dll64P in the 3.x binaries release or is it only in the 4.x binaries release?
  • [23:02:59] <gregoiregentil> the bonus question being: have you managed to make work the 4.x binaries with gst-dsp?
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  • [23:03:38] <felipec> gregoiregentil: no, I don't know of anyone using the DSP jpegdec
  • [23:03:55] <felipec> gregoiregentil: and no, I've only seen the binaries from 0.3.5 working... that's it
  • [23:04:09] <felipec> I heard TI was supposed to make a release about these days
  • [23:04:41] <_ANY__> felipec I have a couple of question too :)
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  • [23:05:11] <gregoiregentil> felipec: Thanks for the answer I appreciate (I'm disappointed!)
  • [23:05:28] <gregoiregentil> felipec: Please keep posed gst-dsp mailing list if you see working 4.x binaries
  • [23:05:31] <_ANY__> If I use the DSP to dcode a video I will get the mpeg data or they go directly on the screen?
  • [23:05:45] <felipec> gregoiregentil: it shouldn't be that difficult to add support for jpegdec to gst-dsp
  • [23:05:58] <felipec> _ANY__: you get the data back
  • [23:06:15] <gregoiregentil> so you would go it through gst-dsp. Interesting...
  • [23:06:38] <gregoiregentil> but obviously, we need to have the jpegdec dll, so it means that we have to wait to make work 4.x. Am I correct?
  • [23:06:51] <felipec> gregoiregentil: indeed
  • [23:08:00] <_ANY__> felipec: you know where i can find a simple mpeg (video) player source that use the DSP? i need study how it work and gst is too big to learn basic stuff
  • [23:10:43] <felipec> _ANY__: have you looked at gst-dsp? you don't need to be familiar with GStreamer for most of the code
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  • [23:12:47] <_av500_> gregoiregentil: looking to speed up the touchbook? :)
  • [23:12:51] <_ANY__> to be honest i didn't look at it :)
  • [23:14:08] <gregoiregentil> _av500_: Yup! I had an interesting request for a big Touch Book bulk order but the guy wants to decode 1024x576 JPG in 80 ms. I'm wondering how I can speed up for this.
  • [23:14:25] <_ANY__> felipec: the rootfs you released is based on what? can I update it in an easy way (read apt-get or opkg)?
  • [23:15:45] <gregoiregentil> _av500_: I'm in competition against the JooJoo. The whole community should help me so that OMAP wins!!!
  • [23:15:53] <felipec> _ANY__: I used buildroot... so nope, it's supposed to be built once
  • [23:16:59] <_av500_> gregoiregentil: i can help you more on the dsplink/codec engine side
  • [23:17:10] <_ANY__> felipec: Thanks i'll go to look at gst-dsp source
  • [23:17:26] <gregoiregentil> _av500_: I woud love to... This thread is interesting: http://e2e.ti.com/support/dsp/davinci_digital_media_processors/f/99/p/6199/23288.aspx
  • [23:17:27] <_av500_> felipec: i build buildroot all the time, not just once :)
  • [23:17:57] <_av500_> gregoiregentil: the commercial jpeg decoder we have here does like 10mpixel per second i think
  • [23:18:24] <gregoiregentil> At least, if you can give me some numbers, I would be very interested
  • [23:18:33] <gregoiregentil> to understand if I can achieve this or not...
  • [23:18:58] <ds2> _av500_: so your thing can play high res MJPEG's at full speed?
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  • [23:19:31] <_av500_> vga it does I think
  • [23:20:01] <ds2> this is DCT jpeg only, right?
  • [23:20:16] <_av500_> the one that decodes holiday snaps...
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  • [23:20:46] <ds2> I guess that is DCT only... donno of many (any?) J2K based cameras around
  • [23:21:02] <_av500_> right, no 2k
  • [23:21:14] <_av500_> we never came across a single sample in the wild
  • [23:21:20] <_av500_> no user complained
  • [23:21:26] <ds2> I knew some folks who were looking for a J2K accelerator
  • [23:22:04] <_av500_> i dunno how much neon there is already in arm side jpeg decoders, e.g ffmpeg
  • [23:22:26] <_av500_> ill aks mru tomorrow
  • [23:22:36] <ds2> i thought ffmpeg uses libjpeg for stills?
  • [23:22:45] <Yuvi> idct, jpeg doesn't have anything else worth writing in NEON I think
  • [23:22:47] <_av500_> i doubt it
  • [23:22:58] <_av500_> Yuvi: right
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  • [23:23:06] <_av500_> did benchmarks on a8
  • [23:23:09] <_av500_> ??
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  • [23:23:38] <_av500_> ds2: ppl say u dont want to use libjpeg :)
  • [23:23:51] <Yuvi> iirc for ~1000x1500 or so I got around 10 fps on my beagle, but it's been a while
  • [23:24:06] <Yuvi> probably less
  • [23:24:14] <ds2> _av500_: Hmmmm
  • [23:24:20] <_av500_> 10fps would meet gregoiregentil demands already
  • [23:24:31] <_av500_> is 100ms for twice the res
  • [23:25:32] <ds2> _av500_: tangential question here.... does your thing handle very very large JPEGs properly? i.e. a 10240x10240 JPEG viewed a bit at a time through a 800x480 (or smaller) window that can scroll around?
  • [23:25:43] <_av500_> ds2: yup
  • [23:26:00] <ds2> _av500_: seriously?
  • [23:26:02] <_av500_> dunno what the limit was, maybe not 100mpixel :)
  • [23:26:07] <ds2> oh
  • [23:26:12] <_av500_> lemmy check
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  • [23:27:19] <ds2> _av500_: been looking for a small thing that can view DRGs (Basically high res scans of 1:24000 topo maps) and they are roughly that size
  • [23:27:25] <_av500_> ds2: ill get back to you on that
  • [23:27:37] <_av500_> what is DRG?
  • [23:28:16] <ds2> Digital Raster Graphics
  • [23:28:29] <ds2> http://topomaps.usgs.gov/drg/
  • [23:28:30] <ds2> that stuff
  • [23:29:16] <ds2> USGS provide them as huge tiff's.. one way around them is to chop them into tiles but it would be nice to view the original scan with the collar (border area)
  • [23:30:24] <_av500_> ds2: ok, the dsp codec has max res 16k x 16k
  • [23:30:53] <ds2> hmm
  • [23:31:18] <_av500_> ds2: send me a jpg, i can try
  • [23:31:22] <DaveDavenport> :D
  • [23:35:07] <ds2> _av500_: they are in TIFF natively, you need to run them through imagemagik or equiv
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