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  • [06:37:46] <dhaval> can i get the source code of the kernal image provided by "narcissus"
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  • [06:41:06] <hrw> morning
  • [06:41:13] <hrw> dhaval: you can build it with OE
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  • [06:45:30] <dhaval> hrw: I had tried with OE, but by that way i was having errors with SGX, so koen suggested me to use online build system, that worked now I want to start dev, it requires kernal source
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  • [07:12:49] <hrw> use OE is whole answer
  • [07:12:58] <hrw> beagleboard kernel has insane amount of patches applied. OE knows order of them
  • [07:18:20] <_av500_> hrw: i guess oe patches are enough to build a kernel from them :)
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  • [07:21:28] <hrw> av500: sure
  • [07:22:17] <_av500_> linux koenel
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  • [07:30:56] <mobidev> hi to all
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  • [07:42:48] <lft> dhaval: well, technically speaking yes, because otherwise narcissus would be violating the gpl
  • [07:43:05] <lft> but I don't know who or where this narcissus is
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  • [07:54:41] <_koen_> according to Murphy it will certainly create tons of breakage :)
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  • [08:54:03] <gaurang> hello
  • [08:54:22] <gaurang> i download x11 image using online builder
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  • [08:54:47] <gaurang> what's login id and password?
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  • [09:01:11] <dhaval> koen: can i download source code of the kernal image provided by online build system "narcissus"
  • [09:01:58] <av500> dhaval: koen is on a plane
  • [09:03:01] <dhaval> av500: thanks, can i download source code for the kernal image provided by online build system "narcissus"?
  • [09:03:14] <av500> no idea, ask koen :)
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  • [09:03:28] <av500> but I guess if you start an oe build, it will download sources for you
  • [09:03:35] <av500> download and patch
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  • [09:04:18] <dhaval> av500:ok, i tried that way earlier but, i was not able to install SGX driver successfully and i was receiving errors, so i used online build system and it worked very well
  • [09:05:06] <gaurang> av500:I use online builder for X11 image,I want username and passwoard for login?
  • [09:05:39] <dhaval> now, to progress further in my project i need to setup build system, which requires linux kernal source
  • [09:06:21] <av500> dhaval: well, when you tried that earlier, it was already downloading kernel sources, no?
  • [09:07:31] <dhaval> ok, where can i locate, that source code in OE?
  • [09:09:31] <av500> dhaval: you have to comment #INHERIT += " rm_work "
  • [09:09:40] <av500> that way the sources are not deleted after building
  • [09:09:47] <av500> in local.conf
  • [09:10:22] <dhaval> ok
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  • [09:59:37] <Yool> hi all. how can i know build sequence for X in OE?
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  • [12:16:57] <crashovrd> I saw in the irc logs earlier that someone had requested source for Narcissus builds
  • [12:17:04] <crashovrd> i would like to add my vote to that request
  • [12:17:44] <crashovrd> at least for the kernel
  • [12:18:49] <crashovrd> on a different note, regarding Beagle XM: i noted that there is to be a change from regular SD to micro SD.
  • [12:19:19] <mru> yep, time to stock up on micro cards before demand rises
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  • [12:19:27] <crashovrd> i would like to express my desire for the coket to remain full size
  • [12:19:38] <mru> too late
  • [12:19:40] <crashovrd> the reason being is that i am constantly swapping out the SD card
  • [12:19:41] <mru> why?
  • [12:19:41] <buZz> microSD is slooooooooow
  • [12:19:56] <mru> same electrical interface
  • [12:19:59] <buZz> still not many producers going beyond class 2 for speed
  • [12:20:00] <mru> buy faster cards
  • [12:20:05] <crashovrd> and having it tiny and on the bottom makes that task more cumbersom
  • [12:20:21] <mru> I'm looking at some class 4 micro sd cards right now
  • [12:20:50] <DaveDavenport> *all* hail mighty mru *hail*
  • [12:21:18] <crashovrd> beagle is an experimenters board and i feel as such those needs should be given high consideration.
  • [12:21:35] <crashovrd> on a production board where the firmware is constant, micro SD is not an issue
  • [12:21:55] <crashovrd> but i feel it should be expected that an SD card would be constantly removed and replaced
  • [12:22:00] <mru> I use my beagles a lot, and yet I rarely touch the sd cards
  • [12:22:17] <DaveDavenport> I have a board now with onboard ethernet
  • [12:22:23] <DaveDavenport> love running everything from tftp
  • [12:22:49] <mru> that's how I boot my ethernet-equipped boards
  • [12:22:52] <crashovrd> if there was a stable kernel or distro, i would agree with the micro sd decision
  • [12:23:06] <crashovrd> but i replace that darn thing several times a day
  • [12:23:09] <mru> eh, there *is* a stable kernel
  • [12:23:17] <mru> and several distros
  • [12:23:30] * DaveDavenport just scp files to BB and updates with SD in place
  • [12:23:34] <DaveDavenport> if the usb does not crap out
  • [12:23:38] * mru uses rsync
  • [12:24:03] <mru> keep a mirror on the pc, rsync over updates
  • [12:24:31] <crashovrd> i still have no network connection to my beagle
  • [12:24:43] <crashovrd> i got more wifi adaptors on order to find one that works
  • [12:25:11] * buZz is happy his IGEPv2 has everything on board that i need
  • [12:25:16] <buZz> besides analog video output :P
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  • [13:22:07] <Belna> DaveDavenport: which board do you have? beagle board with expansion?
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  • [13:45:16] <Yool> hi, all. how can i know the X build sequence in OE?
  • [13:45:50] <av500> [10:59] <Yool> hi all. how can i know build sequence for X in OE?
  • [13:46:10] <Yool> av500, ?
  • [13:47:28] <av500> Yool: it might help to ask better/clearer
  • [13:47:53] <av500> it also helps to not leave irc after asking
  • [13:48:30] <Yool> i see, thx and sorry. that time i was in office. now I am in my house :)
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  • [13:50:36] <Yool> i'm poor at englist. anyway I want to know the build sequece and pkgs for X windows. Because I want to get the rootfs having only X (no gtk, no glib)
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  • [14:33:35] <djlewis> gm
  • [14:34:28] <djlewis> I too swap SD cards often. Having a regular sized SD is helpful.
  • [14:35:05] <mru> too bad there isn't an adaptor for regular cards in micro slots ;-)
  • [14:35:16] <djlewis> Heck, just keeping up with version changes requires lots of plugging of SD ;)
  • [14:35:56] <djlewis> good thing is, my collection of full sized SD's can stay with my revC
  • [14:36:13] <ogra> mru, i bet some soldering could solve that :)
  • [14:37:04] <DaveDavenport> a hamer might work
  • [14:37:21] <mru> or side cutter
  • [14:37:32] <djlewis> mru: a SD carriage / changer like for multiple audio cd's would be cool.
  • [14:38:12] <av500> djlewis: the new BB wil have ethernet
  • [14:38:20] <mru> a standard-sized adaptor 4 micro slots...
  • [14:38:21] <djlewis> using usb
  • [14:38:35] <av500> djlewis: so?
  • [14:38:43] <djlewis> what changed then
  • [14:38:43] <buZz> usb sucks power
  • [14:38:52] <av500> mru: they are called "folders"
  • [14:38:56] <mru> any eth sucks power
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  • [14:39:03] * sakoman probably writes new SD images a half dozen times a day
  • [14:39:21] <djlewis> better to have full size SD to Micro adapters
  • [14:39:47] * av500 had a customer that tried to convince us to build a 16x SD card "combiner"
  • [14:40:02] <mru> what you really need is of course an sd emulator
  • [14:40:08] <av500> to with all the 16MB sdcard that ppl had lying around...
  • [14:40:24] <DaveDavenport> I think there are 8xsd to ide converters and so
  • [14:40:27] <djlewis> an sd sized and power rated HD but nuge
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  • [14:40:32] <mru> av500: a 16G card would probably be cheaper
  • [14:40:34] <djlewis> huge
  • [14:40:36] <av500> he would not understand me telling him that a 4GB sdcard is cheaper than this combiner
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  • [14:40:59] <djlewis> customer / client education is a challenge
  • [14:40:59] <av500> did I mention he had actually had a patent....
  • [14:41:12] <mru> lol
  • [14:41:21] <buZz> they give patents for every fart nowadays
  • [14:41:35] <av500> buZz: no, only if there is no prior fart
  • [14:41:37] * mru has a patent on buzzing
  • [14:41:47] <djlewis> on trolling
  • [14:42:02] <mru> didn't ibm file for a patent on patent trolling?
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  • [14:42:34] * DaveDavenport has a troll called patent
  • [14:42:36] <djlewis> you mean like when I google and there are all these patentt links
  • [14:43:03] <av500> mru: they tried, but somebody patented filing a patent on patent trolling
  • [14:43:38] <djlewis> Hey, I hear a patent coming
  • [14:43:56] <buZz> luckily paper holds no authority over sound minds ;)
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  • [14:44:12] <djlewis> I'll patent your patent and raise you two ;P
  • [14:44:23] <av500> djlewis: you cant, thats patented
  • [14:44:28] <DaveDavenport> yep
  • [14:44:31] <djlewis> :(
  • [14:45:30] <djlewis> a round og Jack Daniels for all :)
  • [14:45:34] <djlewis> of
  • [14:45:43] <mru> eees
  • [14:45:44] <mru> w
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  • [15:05:18] <prpplague> djlewis: hehe, i know the feeling
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  • [15:14:51] <sakoman> good morning
  • [15:15:26] <sakoman> I'm in the process of setting up some automated testing for my regular image builds
  • [15:15:27] <prpplague> sakoman: greetings earthling
  • [15:15:54] <sakoman> Any suggestions on standard performance/conformance tests that would be suitable?
  • [15:16:17] <sakoman> So far I am running ltp, gtkperf, and iozone
  • [15:17:59] <sakoman> if anyone is interested in what the test results look like: http://www.sakoman.com/OMAP3/gnome-r11-test-results.html
  • [15:18:22] <djlewis> gm sakoman , if I hear you right, how about the tests in hardinfo
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  • [15:19:26] <sakoman> djlewis: thanks! I'll look into hardinfo
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  • [15:20:29] <djlewis> I dont know if it is built for arm yet.
  • [15:21:27] <sakoman> looks fairly "intactive" I'll have to see if it is at "automateable"
  • [15:21:35] <sakoman> interactive that is :-)
  • [15:21:38] <djlewis> after running it presents you with a nice html file of system specs, os specs and benchmark
  • [15:22:16] <djlewis> yep, it does ask a question or two before executing.
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  • [15:22:58] <djlewis> I use it to get benchmarks of most every high end PC I build or service.
  • [15:24:36] <djlewis> sakoman: note: the benchmarks might choke a BB.
  • [15:25:38] <djlewis> I've seen 2Ghz P4's sweat on them
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  • [15:26:11] <sakoman> some of the ltp benchmarks choke an OMAP3, but the test developers seem willing to modify the tests so that they don't exceed the platform capabilities
  • [15:26:38] <sakoman> should have said ltp tests, since it is a conformance test suite
  • [15:27:37] * djlewis notes sakoman might need another cup of his exotic coffee ;)
  • [15:28:11] <sakoman> indeed! it is still early here :-)
  • [15:28:20] <djlewis> thought so..
  • [15:28:53] <djlewis> heck, even prpplague is up already, whats going on people ??
  • [15:29:48] <prpplague> djlewis: ??, i'm always in the office by 9cst
  • [15:30:15] <djlewis> I wuz kidding ya dude :)
  • [15:30:50] <prpplague> djlewis: hehe
  • [15:31:11] <prpplague> djlewis: although this morning was pretty tough getting in to the office
  • [15:31:20] <djlewis> somedays logins are earlier than others ....
  • [15:31:48] <prpplague> djlewis: i've been working 7 days a week for about 6 weeks trying to finish up that prius project, so this was the first weekend in a while that i didn;'t come in to the office
  • [15:32:33] <djlewis> prpplague: yep, I been noticing.
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  • [15:35:15] <SplasH> has somebody running dspbridge under angstrom and 2.6.29 kernel?
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  • [15:45:35] <sakoman> djlewis: I was able to build hardinfo with no issues
  • [15:45:40] <sakoman> even seems to run
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  • [15:46:17] <av500> SplasH: only few ppl here run the dsp, fewer even using bridge as oe comes with a preference for dsplink
  • [15:46:22] <djlewis> sakoman: Wow!
  • [15:47:46] <djlewis> is sweat beading up on the little omap ;)
  • [15:48:24] <mru> it's funny that... animals sweat when they are hot, objects sweat when they are cold
  • [15:48:50] * djlewis has seen silicon bubble just before BOOM!
  • [15:50:09] <sakoman> djlewis: the system is a bit sluggish when the cpu benchmarks are running
  • [15:50:47] <sakoman> but they d complete
  • [15:50:50] <sakoman> do
  • [15:51:11] <djlewis> hmm, pastebin?
  • [15:51:31] <SplasH> av500: I found a simple example which sends data between the dsp and the arm. But it uses dspbridge. And I don't want to spend a lot of time into the dsp to get it running, because I don't have much time until the robot competition
  • [15:51:40] <djlewis> sakoman: you arent using a BB at present are you?
  • [15:51:59] <sakoman> no, mine died. using an overo
  • [15:52:09] <av500> SplasH: the dsplink stuff from ti has examples that do the same for dsplink...
  • [15:52:27] <sakoman> I'll paste the results when it completes generating a report
  • [15:52:30] <av500> SplasH: and not being able to spend time on the dsp, what use will it then be in the robot competition?
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  • [16:00:02] <SplasH> av500: I'll have a look at dsplink. I don't want to spend much time to get the dsp working, but if an example program works, then it isn't very much work anymore
  • [16:02:19] <av500> SplasH: I know that Crofton_|work got some dsplink stuff working
  • [16:02:30] * av500 pokes Crofton_|work
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  • [16:08:14] <sakoman> djlewis: http://www.sakoman.com/testresults/hardinfo_report.html
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  • [16:27:46] <djlewis> sakoman: cool, It did a good job of parseing the system.
  • [16:29:00] <djlewis> benchmark performance appears bout where it should.
  • [16:32:38] <sakoman> djlewis: I like the 3d plots from iozone: http://www.sakoman.com/testresults/iozone-read-r11.gif
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  • [16:34:49] <djlewis> sakoman: nice. When it comes to presentation pictures sell better than cryptic numbers ;)
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  • [16:47:59] <wandern> sakoman: related to your testing question
  • [16:48:21] <wandern> sakoman: is it possible to save all the tests from 'make test' and package them separately?
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  • [16:48:36] <wandern> as you can't run make test when cross-compiling
  • [16:48:58] <wandern> but there are all those perfectly good tests created by the package developer
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  • [16:49:16] <sakoman> wandern: good question
  • [16:49:34] <sakoman> I imagine the answer varies from package to package :-(
  • [16:49:35] <wandern> I think it could be useful for QA of a package... obviously, you wouldn't want to package them with the product for end-users
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  • [16:49:55] <wandern> but I noticed you save off the debug info into a separate package
  • [16:50:14] <wandern> Just something I wondered while poking around with bitbake builds, etc.
  • [16:50:45] <sakoman> I may take a look at a package or two to see what's possible
  • [16:51:10] <sakoman> I want to start with a number of standard tests first
  • [16:51:34] <sakoman> since they are probably low hanging fruit (i.e. not too much work)
  • [16:52:21] <wandern> Just a thought I had... wouldn't want to run them / package all the time
  • [16:52:39] <wandern> hardly ever, actually... but useful for that last QA check; run all the tests on a development board
  • [16:52:44] <wandern> make sure everything compiled correctly
  • [16:52:59] <wandern> still easier (probably) then a native compile / make test
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  • [16:53:44] <sakoman> we'll see :-)
  • [16:54:03] <sakoman> sometimes the simplest things turn out to be major time sinks!
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  • [16:55:37] <wandern> agreed
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  • [17:33:40] <prpplague> <sakoman> sometimes the simplest things turn out to be major time sinks!
  • [17:33:43] <prpplague> amen to that
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  • [17:35:59] <crashovrd> like TV out!
  • [17:36:07] * crashovrd is still bitter
  • [17:38:31] <crashovrd> sakoman, i still need to coordinate with you on getting a proper patch made for that
  • [17:38:36] <crashovrd> just dont have much free time at the moment
  • [17:41:25] <buZz> could anyone help me get my fw_env.config proper?
  • [17:41:34] <buZz> what i'm doing : http://pastebin.com/m69b87560
  • [17:41:46] <buZz> contents of the mtd partition : http://pastebin.com/m218ab020
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  • [17:48:05] <sakoman> crashovrd: the patches will have to be submitted to the linux-omap list for comment & approval
  • [17:48:32] <sakoman> otherwise you will be maintaining an out-of-tree patch for the rest of your life :-)
  • [17:49:02] <crashovrd> i have no fear of rejection so i am fine with that. i just am not into the know with whole patch on mailing list thing
  • [17:49:08] <crashovrd> and its really outside the scope
  • [17:49:31] <crashovrd> so i was hoping to find someone who could help me (submit for me) the patch
  • [17:49:53] <crashovrd> all i need is an acceptable tree to make the patch against
  • [17:49:59] <crashovrd> then i can produce the diff
  • [17:50:10] <crashovrd> but beyond that i am in dragon territory
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  • [18:15:39] <djlewis_> gm again
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  • [18:37:08] <ds2> morning
  • [18:38:30] <av500> gm ds2
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  • [18:39:05] <sakoman> crashovrd: I can submit the patches to the list for you
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  • [22:25:38] <Differentkindof> So I see people getting pure data anywhere running just fine on the beagleboard but I was wondering if pd extended could be built from the source?
  • [22:25:45] <Differentkindof> I'm assuming I'm
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  • [22:26:09] <Differentkindof> Missing a glaringly apparent reason it can't due to architecture
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  • [23:00:08] <philo> hi
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  • [23:02:15] <djlewis_> "Your system is low on virtual memory"
  • [23:02:31] <djlewis_> :P
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  • [23:05:04] <djlewis_> tnx mru
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  • [23:06:11] <ds2> mru is living in a virtual reality?
  • [23:06:32] <mru> it's enough that djlewis_ is
  • [23:06:33] <djlewis_> we're all living in the bit bucket.
  • [23:07:35] <djlewis_> well, that was pretty cryptic... hmmm.
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  • [23:07:53] <djlewis_> sometimes the internet feels like a big ol bitbucket eo me.
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  • [23:10:45] <ds2> did Ian's Neon tutorial slides ever get posted?
  • [23:11:29] * mru would like to see them too
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  • [23:16:07] <buZz> anyone here with a beagleboard handy? :P
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  • [23:16:30] <mru> depends
  • [23:16:37] <buZz> i wonder if pin 1 and 2 of the svideo connector are connected together
  • [23:16:44] <buZz> or i need to know, more like it :D
  • [23:16:57] <mru> check the schematics
  • [23:17:05] <buZz> oh, good point :D
  • [23:18:47] <buZz> sweet, they are \o/
  • [23:19:08] * buZz adding svideo output to his IGEPv2 ;)
  • [23:19:10] <djlewis_> buZz: there is a schematic in the BBSRM
  • [23:19:18] <buZz> yeah, found it
  • [23:19:41] <djlewis_> sorry, my auto scroll was up a few.
  • [23:19:49] <buZz> :)
  • [23:24:12] <ds2> okay, guess I will bug Ian to get a copy of the slides
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  • [23:24:42] <mru> I asked him once but that mail must have got lost
  • [23:24:47] <mru> or he ignore it ;-)
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  • [23:25:23] <ds2> he can't afford to have you show him off ;)
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  • [23:42:37] <Zaay> Hello everyone ! Does beagleboard offer any USB Touchscreens for order ? I am searching for 4inch usb touchscreens to connect with beagle board. Does anyone know where can I buy it ?
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  • [23:49:43] <ds2> USB no, SPI ones, sure
  • [23:52:57] <buZz> hmm
  • [23:53:07] <buZz> do beagleboards show the u-boot output on svideo?
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