• [00:00:55] <el_chapo> I guess I need to install native compiler for i686?
  • [00:01:04] <denix> run "env" and paste the output
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  • [00:02:34] <el_chapo> http://pastebin.com/dad819e7
  • [00:02:35] <denix> you said you have native 4.3.3 above... my guess you set some critical env vars (like CC) not right
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  • [00:04:11] <denix> hmm, env looks sane...
  • [00:04:41] <denix> show me "which gcc" and "which i686-linux-gcc"
  • [00:05:45] <el_chapo> user@ubuntu:~/oe$ which gcc /usr/bin/gcc
  • [00:06:00] <el_chapo> nothing for i686-linux-gcc
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  • [00:09:45] <GrizzlyAdams> hack bang slash bin slash bash
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  • [00:16:08] <denix> el_chapo: show me the beginning of config.log, before "Core tests"
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  • [00:20:18] <el_chapo> http://pastebin.com/de517bcc
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  • [00:28:06] <el_chapo> denix: I also have this one: user@ubuntu:~/oe$ which i486-linux-gnu-gcc /usr/bin/i486-linux-gnu-gcc
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  • [00:28:45] <el_chapo> probably the system can not find i686-linux-gcc and fails...
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  • [00:34:25] <denix> el_chapo: nope, for some reason your EXTRA_OECONF is empty, when coreutils gets configured...
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  • [00:36:56] <denix> el_chapo: if you check /home/user/oe/arago-tmp/work/i686-linux/coreutils-native-7.2-r0/temp/run.do_configure.XXXXX for the oe_runconf() function
  • [00:37:36] <denix> it supposed to call configure script with EXTRA_OECONF variable, which sets CC=gcc
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  • [00:42:41] <el_chapo> denix: I followed the procedure on arago-project and actually did nothing... could it be because of wrong systemconfiguration?
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  • [00:43:02] <denix> which ubuntu is it?
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  • [00:43:29] <el_chapo> 9.04
  • [00:43:39] <denix> we test with 8.04 (LTS) and it works fine
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  • [00:44:07] <denix> I believe someone tried 9.04 as well...
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  • [00:47:55] <el_chapo> denix: will you be here tomorrow? I will check with 8.04
  • [00:50:52] <el_chapo> denix: BTW - Greetings from Russia :))
  • [00:51:42] <denix> el_chapo: heh :)
  • [00:52:30] <el_chapo> Ok, I'm leavng...
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  • [01:30:21] <djlewis1> hello guys :)
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  • [02:20:25] <psykes> All of my USB to Ethernet adapters don't seem to work on a fresh build of stable 2009, however my zippy board seems fine?
  • [02:21:25] <psykes> Tested with old uImage I built about a month ago and they all seem fine?
  • [02:23:06] <psykes> stable 2009 checkout, no alterations. Kernel config shows all USB drivers built in.
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  • [02:24:36] <djlewis1> psykes: You using EHCI or OTG?
  • [02:25:04] <psykes> OTG on a rev b6 board
  • [02:25:25] <djlewis1> I ask cause last weekend I installed Demo stable and the otg is not enabled by default.
  • [02:27:08] <djlewis1> least ways, not for my revC3
  • [02:27:19] <djlewis1> EHCI kicked right in
  • [02:27:36] <psykes> djlewis1: strange I will have a look at that, I wonder why the OTG has been disabled?
  • [02:28:01] <djlewis1> might just be my case. wouldn't make sense to leave it disabled.
  • [02:29:22] <djlewis1> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 is my ehci
  • [02:31:55] <djlewis1> I was using my otg on a non demo Angstrom 2.6.30 just before.
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  • [02:33:11] <psykes> I'm using the 2.6.29 kernel from the stable 2009 release with no alterations
  • [02:33:39] <djlewis1> Linux beagle 2.6.29-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Wed Oct 21 13:11:52 CEST 2009 armv7l GNU/Linux
  • [02:34:51] <djlewis1> put it on 11/22/2009
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  • [02:38:57] <psykes> OTG is compiled into the kernel, just checked the config
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  • [03:04:24] <djlewis1> perhaps it is coming up in gadget mode?
  • [03:05:36] <djlewis1> shows usb-gadget startups
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  • [03:11:35] <psykes> djlewis1: I can't see that anywhere in the boot log
  • [03:14:11] <psykes> ifconfig: just slows local loopback device
  • [03:15:07] <djlewis1> I was looking in the etc/rc(x).d 's
  • [03:15:32] <djlewis1> does lsusb show anything?
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  • [03:17:21] <djlewis1> psykes: I havent tracked it down as I have the EHCI port.
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  • [07:30:25] <av500> is it?
  • [07:32:13] <ds2> it is
  • [07:32:42] <ds2> server I am connected to was an island for a while
  • [07:42:26] <GrizzlyAdams> gah, spent 4 hours cleaning up the mess after someone hacked my friend's forums
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  • [08:40:02] <mru> morning
  • [08:43:46] <av500> gm
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  • [09:02:55] <mru> morning _roger_
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  • [09:04:43] <hrw> morning
  • [09:05:26] <_roger_> morning mru!
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  • [09:10:13] <tz> why does one get a white screen on a lcd with dss2
  • [09:11:33] <adj> what color should it be? :)
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  • [11:36:37] <av500> so, my coworker just powered an usb hub with 12V, one dead mouse and one dead kbd...
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  • [11:40:28] <_koen_> good morning all
  • [11:40:33] <av500> gm
  • [11:42:55] <jkridner|work> good morning
  • [11:43:45] <_koen_> hey av500 & jkridner|work
  • [11:44:04] * _koen_ tries to imagine thankgiving in texas
  • [11:45:44] <av500> shoot, cook eat
  • [11:45:58] <jkridner|work> where does the interest in Thanksgiving come from?
  • [11:46:55] <mru> that it's this week?
  • [11:47:00] <jkridner|work> yup.
  • [11:47:04] <jkridner|work> tomorrow.
  • [11:49:48] <jkridner|work> it is a great holiday without a lot of corporate fluff...
  • [11:50:14] <jkridner|work> unless the turkeys have a death wish.
  • [11:50:42] <_koen_> jkridner|work: I only that TG is this week because my confcall schedule is surprisingly empty thursday and friday :)
  • [11:51:01] <jkridner|work> that is a good reason to give thanks. :)
  • [11:52:08] <_koen_> aye
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  • [12:31:40] <Crofton|work> gm
  • [12:32:22] <Crofton|work> Thanksgiving is the traditional beginning of the Christmas shopping season
  • [12:32:37] <Crofton|work> it is also the first holiday celebrated by the Colonists
  • [12:32:50] <Crofton|work> if you believe the old test to get naturalized
  • [12:34:13] <mru> I was in the states over thanksgiving a few years ago
  • [12:34:22] <mru> it was great, two extra days off for free
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  • [12:38:19] <Crofton|work> we are entering the annoying time of year when no one works
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  • [12:38:44] <mru> I quite like not working ;-)
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  • [12:39:19] <av500> mru: have you nonworked on tc stuff?
  • [12:40:07] <mru> yes
  • [12:40:11] <mru> now I'm trying to figure out how some asm works that I wrote a year ago
  • [12:40:15] <mru> w/o comments
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  • [12:40:31] <mru> I'm led to believe it's very clever
  • [12:40:37] <av500> at least they cant misguide you
  • [12:41:49] <mru> at least I know it works
  • [12:42:45] <mru> feel free to try understanding the h264 qpel mc neon code
  • [12:43:06] <av500> I already have a headache
  • [12:43:06] <mru> lots of functions, multiple entry points, custom calling conventions, etc
  • [12:43:53] <av500> what, not even selfmodifying?
  • [12:45:07] <mru> selfmodifying is too slow with cache flushes and whatnot
  • [12:45:43] <mru> I got odd looks at work when I wrote some code to fix the binary-only drivers at runtime
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  • [13:23:40] <Crofton|work> mru, can you look at this sometime?
  • [13:23:41] <Crofton|work> http://www.delmarnorth.com/microwave/requirements/TestCodeTutorial_neon-test_draft1.pdf
  • [13:24:06] <mru> ror
  • [13:24:07] <mru> 404
  • [13:24:23] <Crofton|work> hmm
  • [13:24:58] <Crofton|work> http://www.delmarnorth.com/microwave/requirements/TestCodeTutorial_neon-test_draft2.pdf
  • [13:25:09] <Crofton|work> :)
  • [13:26:24] <Crofton|work> I haven't looked it over yet :)
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  • [13:32:03] <tkanerva> damn, I wish there were a way to get more than 256MB memory to the beagle
  • [13:32:46] <tkanerva> my cc1 is now consuming 355M VSIZE and 160M RES and soon it gets the HUP signal. :(
  • [13:33:04] <_koen_> swap
  • [13:33:05] <tkanerva> funny thing is that i still have 390M swap left, but ...
  • [13:33:23] <tkanerva> i don't know, maybe there's something to the kernel memory management that I do not understand
  • [13:33:51] <tkanerva> btw, I'm compiling the newest ghc6 from source ;)
  • [13:33:51] <av500> host
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  • [13:35:18] <tkanerva> cpu states are 2% user, 8% sys, 89% wait
  • [13:35:43] <av500> why not compile on the pc?
  • [13:35:43] <tkanerva> so evidently more memory would help :))
  • [13:35:53] <tkanerva> i suppose that system time is mostly consumed by the kernel code that writes to the mmc
  • [13:36:08] <tkanerva> pc's are for gays
  • [13:36:42] <tkanerva> i have none. except this old laptop i'm using as a terminal. but it has 500 megabytes of hard disk so...
  • [13:37:40] <tkanerva> but i'm trying to understand what happens to that cc1 process... maybe it hits some process limits or so.
  • [13:38:03] <av500> Crofton|work: the typography of that neon pdf is .... awkward
  • [13:38:05] <av500> its not ComicSans, but close
  • [13:38:25] <av500> I expected it to teach me about King Arthur...
  • [13:38:56] <tkanerva> any way to make 'top' show the page faults?
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  • [13:52:24] <Crofton|work> heh
  • [13:52:55] <Crofton|work> av500, rev 1 wouldn't print for me
  • [13:53:15] <Crofton|work> still someone else looking at this stuff is good
  • [13:53:21] <av500> no really, it "looks" bad to me
  • [13:53:29] <av500> I have trouble to read it
  • [13:53:46] <av500> why the backgnd pattern?
  • [13:54:21] <Crofton|work> not sure, I'll meniton that
  • [13:55:08] <_koen_> khasim: ping
  • [13:55:18] <Crofton|work> I still have my glasses on so it is hard to read period :(
  • [13:55:38] <tasslehoff> If I have copied in MLO and u-boot.bin to the vfat partition, do I have to press the user-button when booting to make the beagle use it?
  • [13:56:03] <_koen_> tasslehoff: it shouldn't be needed, but it's a way to make sure :)
  • [13:57:07] <tasslehoff> _koen_: that's what I thought but now it uses nand if I don't push the button, and mmc if I do. and I'm pretty sure this has changed recently.
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  • [14:02:58] <tkanerva> tasslehoff: all that button does is to rewire the OMAP to boot in a different order.
  • [14:03:36] <tkanerva> i bet nand comes before mmc if it works the way you just described
  • [14:04:31] <av500> tasslehoff: button forces it to mmc
  • [14:04:41] <av500> default is nand then mmc
  • [14:04:50] <av500> so it depends of your nand is bootable or not
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  • [14:11:11] <tasslehoff> so if I always want to use mmc I should mess up my nand :)
  • [14:14:00] <tkanerva> just write zeroes to the first 4 blocks of your nand to disable it
  • [14:14:15] <tkanerva> (blocks=128kbytes, pages=2k)
  • [14:14:34] <av500> nand erase ...
  • [14:14:47] <tkanerva> yeah )
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  • [14:32:56] <tasslehoff> case closed. an invisible trash folder snuck in before the mlo. that's what I get for using graphical file managers now and then...
  • [14:33:23] <av500> :)
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  • [14:53:13] <jkridner|work> I think tasslehoff's issue should be reflected in the FAQ. I hope hersh finds this and makes a blog entry.
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  • [16:05:45] <mru> Crofton|work, av500: agree about the terrible font
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  • [16:11:43] <el_chapo> hello everyone :)
  • [16:12:05] <el_chapo> denix: are you here?
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  • [16:20:03] <denix> el_chapo: hey
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  • [16:21:05] <denix> el_chapo: try setting CC=gcc in your env...
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  • [16:28:41] <el_chapo> I've got it running :)
  • [16:31:00] <el_chapo> the problem was that during first run of bitbake it askes for the BUILD_PREFIX and I set it to arm-linux-none-gnueabi-
  • [16:31:26] <el_chapo> and it seems that it was overriding native compiler
  • [16:31:33] <denix> ah, good
  • [16:32:23] <el_chapo> I just removed BUILD_PREFIX from toolchain-csl.conf and now it's working
  • [16:32:32] <denix> yes, you should not set any extra vars
  • [16:33:14] <denix> if bitbake complains something is not set (CCACHE, BUILD_PREFIX etc), it usually means problems with setup :)
  • [16:33:44] <el_chapo> so how to set BUILD_PREFIX?
  • [16:34:02] <denix> why do you need it? it's set by oe automatically
  • [16:34:30] <denix> and only for target packages, i.e. cross compile
  • [16:35:02] <el_chapo> there was an error message telling that no prefix is set for c++
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  • [16:35:48] <denix> show the error message - bitbake messages are often confusing... :)
  • [16:36:24] <el_chapo> now everithing is running, so no error messages anymore :) I will check later
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  • [16:38:17] <denix> you may want to subscribe to the mailing list
  • [16:38:48] <el_chapo> is it mentioned on arago web page?
  • [16:39:20] <denix> yes
  • [16:39:22] <el_chapo> and is it possible to post questions there?
  • [16:39:41] <denix> of course
  • [16:40:32] <el_chapo> great! Thanks for your support and talk to you later :)
  • [16:40:51] <denix> you are welcome
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  • [17:25:18] <_koen_> there, e17 gl works on beagleboard now :)
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  • [17:26:44] <denix> _koen_: gl?
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  • [17:29:37] <Crofton> opengl?
  • [17:29:54] <super__> hello, i can connect to bb with ssh in linux, but i cant connect to it in windows with hyperterminal or telnet. is it just not going to work in windows?
  • [17:30:27] <Crofton|work> super__, the default images do not support telnet
  • [17:30:32] <Crofton|work> try ssh using putty
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  • [17:32:39] <super__> Crofton|work: okay cheers ill look into it :)
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  • [17:34:37] <super__> Crofton|work: it works great :)
  • [17:34:40] <denix> Crofton: I was asking if it's full gl or not
  • [17:34:53] <Crofton> ah
  • [17:35:08] <denix> Crofton|work: btw, some builds/distros use telnet instead of ssh :)
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  • [17:39:05] <Crofton|work> I am sure they do, but I think the common ones don't
  • [17:39:18] <Crofton|work> well the ones beginners may find easily
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  • [17:50:53] <Crofton|work> jkridner, do you need a google wave invite?
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  • [17:54:59] <Crofton|work> you need an invite?
  • [17:55:33] <av500> not sure :)
  • [17:55:45] <denix> Crofton|work: you got one?
  • [17:55:58] <Crofton|work> I have several
  • [17:55:58] <av500> we could all colab on BB FAQ :)
  • [17:56:00] <Crofton|work> pm me a gmail address
  • [17:56:12] <Crofton|work> heh, I am not actually convinced how good it is yet
  • [17:58:12] <denix> gobby instead?
  • [17:59:35] <Crofton|work> heh
  • [17:59:37] <Crofton|work> yeah
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  • [18:19:15] <koen> denix, Crofton|work: opengl|ES to be exact
  • [18:22:50] <ds2> morning!
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  • [18:29:33] <mru> morning ds2
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  • [18:31:42] <ds2> Got a measure of how many acre feet of water is left?
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  • [18:44:23] <mru> no floodings at all in my area
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  • [18:45:20] <sakoman__> no flooding here either :-)
  • [18:45:49] <sakoman__> sunny and 70F
  • [18:45:57] <ds2> 70F
  • [18:45:59] <ds2> ?
  • [18:46:01] <ds2> @%$#&@(*&$(@#$
  • [18:46:29] <ds2> it is 60F out here up from the 50's
  • [18:48:43] <sakoman__> ds2: heh, I lied. It is actually 76F now!
  • [18:49:23] <ds2> you and your rocks with the thermal mass #@!$!@#@
  • [18:49:24] <sakoman__> we don't have the Bay cooling things down
  • [18:49:48] <ds2> sure it ain't the local volcano acting up? ;)
  • [18:50:08] <sakoman__> :-) It has a beautiful coat of snow
  • [18:50:13] <sakoman__> Shasta too
  • [18:50:31] <sakoman__> and the Trinity Alps too for that matter
  • [18:50:39] <ds2> well, St Helens has a glacier on top so...
  • [18:51:10] <sakoman__> let's just hope those guys stay slumbering!
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  • [18:52:21] <mru> yellowstone ftw
  • [18:52:56] <ds2> it is only melted rocks
  • [18:53:05] <ds2> the folks on hawaii seems to be okay with it
  • [18:54:02] <sakoman__> time to go outside and enjoy the day
  • [18:54:21] <sakoman__> ds2: I'll pick a tomato for you ;-)
  • [18:55:17] <sakoman__> later . . .
  • [18:55:53] <ds2> later
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  • [19:07:23] <djlewis_> gm, speaking of yellowstone: http://www.nps.gov/archive/yell/OldFaithfulcam.htm
  • [19:07:34] <djlewis_> bbl, gotta reboot.
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  • [19:23:44] <Crofton|work> this make any sense to anyone?
  • [19:23:53] <Crofton|work> http://twitpic.com/qwgzg
  • [19:24:52] <mru> looks like a piece might be missing
  • [19:25:19] <mru> everybody makes a mistake once in a while
  • [19:25:21] <mru> except me
  • [19:25:30] <tcpip40001> an interesting plastic arrangement
  • [19:25:52] <Crofton|work> yeah
  • [19:26:16] <likewise> now go experiment :-)
  • [19:26:46] <denix> it's lead free! :)
  • [19:27:18] <tcpip40001> can you imagine the infinite possibilities?
  • [19:27:51] <denix> you can do anything (and I mean _anything_) with it!
  • [19:27:53] <likewise> denix: you beat me by 1 second :-)
  • [19:28:09] <Crofton|work> koen, can OE build working images for the l137 evm?
  • [19:29:43] <likewise> I don't understand their product line; why does that L138 have a SATA port (where the OMAP has not)?
  • [19:29:44] * mru runs gentoo on l137 evm
  • [19:29:59] <mru> omap-l1x is actually a davinci
  • [19:30:00] <denix> Crofton|work: should work
  • [19:30:47] <Crofton|work> yeah
  • [19:30:52] <denix> afaik sata is not on soc...
  • [19:30:54] <Crofton|work> I need to try it
  • [19:31:36] <denix> Crofton|work: but I doubt it will work on the L138 from the picture...
  • [19:32:02] <Crofton|work> yeah
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  • [20:00:19] <jkridner|work> likewise: it is on the SoC.
  • [20:00:39] <jkridner|work> The OMAP-L138 has a SATA port on the device itself.
  • [20:01:22] <jkridner|work> with SATA and Ethernet on the SoC, it seems like it would make a pretty great NAS.
  • [20:01:52] <jkridner|work> plus, a floating-point DSP for audio/video processing.
  • [20:02:10] <likewise> jkridner|work: I know it's on the SoC, but why not on the OMAP3?
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  • [20:04:06] <Crofton|work> what is the difference between the 137 and the 138?
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  • [20:07:01] <_koen_> Crofton|work: it can for the 138 evm, need to check if 137 works as well
  • [20:07:08] <jkridner|work> oh, because cell phones don't typically have SATA drives.
  • [20:07:08] <jkridner|work> I'd expect it to show up on future Cortex-A8-based TI devices though.
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  • [20:07:24] <likewise> jkridner|work: so it is intended to compete with NAS SoCs?
  • [20:07:24] <likewise> for pure NAS, it's lacks GbE I assume. But I'm sure it will find it's way in niche applications.
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  • [20:07:45] <jkridner|work> we are starting to do more mass-market first devices, but most of these were originally developed targeting specific markets.
  • [20:07:45] <jkridner|work> Some of the other TI product lines have been more mass-market oriented already.
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  • [20:08:06] <jkridner|work> note that AM3517/AM3505 have 10/100 Ethernet directly in the SoC, whereas OMAP3515/OMAP3503 do not.
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  • [20:10:30] <Crofton|work> _koen_, I'm going to try booting my l137 "soon"
  • [20:11:34] <Crofton|work> I'm going to have to break down and work out the dsp stuff
  • [20:11:36] * jkridner|work looks at http://wiki.davincidsp.com/index.php/C674x/OMAPL1x_Introductory_Information#What_is_the_difference_between_OMAP-L13x_and_C674x.3F
  • [20:13:53] <Crofton|work> the 137 block diagram link fails
  • [20:16:30] <jkridner|work> I think the best way to report it is to add a comment, so I did so.
  • [20:17:30] <Crofton|work> looks like l138 has SATA and 137 does not
  • [20:17:47] <jkridner|work> it is so funny that the page says there aren't commercial operating systems for the C6000, when there are, including Linux commercial offerings.
  • [20:19:25] <jkridner|work> wow, these comparison graphics are horrible: http://wiki.davincidsp.com/index.php/File:OMAP3xVsOMAPL1x.JPG
  • [20:19:33] <jkridner|work> many of the comments aren't fair at all.
  • [20:19:42] <jkridner|work> "not code compatible"
  • [20:19:57] <jkridner|work> I wish someone would actually review these things.
  • [20:20:08] <Crofton|work> heh
  • [20:20:28] <Crofton|work> stuff like this is why wikis drive koen crazy :)
  • [20:20:48] <jkridner|work> I think OMAP3 will run ARMv4 instructions just fine. Yes, OMAP-L1x won't run ARMv7, but ack!
  • [20:20:55] <Crofton|work> yeah
  • [20:21:17] <Crofton|work> and I will use the same tool to build a rootfs for both :)
  • [20:21:28] <jkridner|work> ~1/2 performance....
  • [20:21:33] <jkridner|work> guess there is some way to justify that.
  • [20:21:55] <jkridner|work> has a better performing DSP per cycle and lower performing ARM per cycle.
  • [20:22:28] <jkridner|work> it can do video, but doesn't have video accelerators.
  • [20:22:40] <jkridner|work> and doesn't have a great display subsystem.
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  • [20:41:14] <likewise> jkridner|work: thanks for the run-down. Might indeed be a nice SoC when it matches the application.
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  • [20:49:08] <koen> jkridner|work: I have something for you to add to the beagle news feed: http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/cms/comparing-enlightenment-opengl-es-to-xlib-on-an-omap3
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  • [20:52:42] <jkridner|work> there are a lot of points with + missing
  • [20:55:04] <koen> that's the "Crashing is also a strong point of the GL engine since it segfaulted halfway." bit
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  • [21:01:15] <ds2> crashing depends on your prospective
  • [21:01:28] <ds2> prehaps the spec sheets needs to be updated to define that behavior ;)
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  • [21:04:15] <ds2> so is anyone writting the BB Vision app to automatically track a turkey and take a shot when it appears clear? :D
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  • [21:11:28] <djlewis_> ds2: yep gotta it set up in my dome outside.
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  • [21:16:05] <jkridner|work> The Free Electron guys did a Beagle-specific training now.
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  • [21:18:57] <ds2> "Heal Rover, Heal!"
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  • [21:25:04] <jkridner|work> http://www.techradar.com/news/world-of-tech/future-tech/open-source-hardware-is-ready-to-go-mainstream-652461
  • [21:25:24] <jkridner|work> No mention of Beagle, but they did mention the OMAP3-based Frankencamera.
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  • [21:27:18] <ds2> but the question that hasn't been asked but should be is will the OMAP3 remain available to the opensource folks
  • [21:28:28] <ds2> with the current trend, it winding up in allocation is a possibility :(
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  • [21:46:04] <jkridner|work> in allocation?
  • [21:46:14] <jkridner|work> it will continue to be available through distribution.
  • [21:46:19] <jkridner|work> for years to come.
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  • [21:48:09] <jkridner|work> demand for the units in systems like Palm Pre, Nokia N900, Motorola Droid, etc. has been very high, but production will catch up with demand at some point and the units won't be so hard to get, if that is what you mean. BeagleBoard availability is currently limited by TFP410 parts, not OMAP3 parts.
  • [21:50:41] <ds2> jkridner|work: no, my concern is it will fall into the 20week leadtime group... then when it comes back, it'll get allocated to the higher volume guys
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  • [21:51:16] <ds2> the TFP410 is the current gating one but I been following some other parts and one by one they disappeared (20+ week lead time)
  • [21:51:34] <ds2> so at the moment, I am abit ansi about using any TI parts :(
  • [21:52:42] <ds2> and let's just say I am getting tired of redoing boards for alternative parts only to find they too have vanished after a few weeks :(
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  • [21:53:12] <jkridner|work> I wonder if Free Electrons only gives the lab disk contents to attendees. Guess that makes sense.
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  • [21:59:45] <likewise> jkridner|work: their training is online?
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  • [21:59:58] <jkridner|work> the slides are.
  • [22:00:09] <jkridner|work> I think the content may require attendance.
  • [22:00:16] <jkridner|work> that is, the hard drive content.
  • [22:00:23] <jkridner|work> source files for the labs.
  • [22:00:31] <jkridner|work> I'm not sure though.
  • [22:01:33] <likewise> jkridner|work: you mean this: http://free-electrons.com/docs/omap/?
  • [22:02:09] <jkridner|work> no, this: free-electrons.com/blog/beagle-labs/
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  • [22:04:49] <ds2> would anyone be willing to travel to Blackrock, NV for Beagle related stuff?
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  • [22:10:06] <vlad_> ok, I am totally stumped
  • [22:10:34] <vlad_> if I have... ldr pc, [r12, #424]! (such as what gcc might generate in the PLT)
  • [22:10:56] <vlad_> and if *(r12+424) is a thumb address (low bit set to 1), I end up jumping off into crazyland
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  • [22:14:57] <vlad_> under what conditions will that instruction.. well, it's not that it's not changing the instruction mode, but..
  • [22:15:28] <vlad_> as I said, stumped :)
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  • [22:28:30] <ds2> Chronos watch delayed yet more
  • [22:32:53] <djlewis_> the buffalo are lazily grazing at yellowstone..
  • [22:33:13] <djlewis_> ?me is stuck at the office, alone, for 1/2 hour more.
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  • [22:33:42] <ds2> Mmmmm roast bison
  • [22:34:09] <bkero> Bison? Are you in Montana or something?
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  • [22:34:54] <vlad_> grumble, this was just a case of gdb lying to me
  • [22:34:56] <vlad_> like a lying liar that it is
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  • [22:38:05] <ds2> there are bison even out in the midwest
  • [22:38:29] <ds2> IIRC, there is a herd at Argonne labs grounds
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  • [22:42:05] <djlewis_> we even have a herd here south of Little Rock, AR.
  • [22:42:35] <djlewis_> I was referring to the herd on the webcam at yellowstones Old Faithful.
  • [22:43:33] <bkero> Hah, alright. I'm from Montana, and haven't had bison outside of it's borders.
  • [22:43:49] <ds2> it is good tasting meat
  • [22:44:46] <djlewis_> gonna have fun with this laptop, client converted his system32 folder to a file.
  • [22:45:29] <ds2> and it boots?!
  • [22:46:00] <djlewis_> hardly! there seems to be some trouble locating system files :P
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  • [22:46:11] <djlewis_> during boot attempt
  • [22:46:24] <djlewis_> Doh!, slap forhead and all that :)
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  • [22:46:53] <jkridner|work> http://www.ecnmag.com/News/2009/11/Top-Ten-Electronic-Things-To-Be-Thankful-For-in-2009/ <-- BeagleBoard is #7.
  • [22:47:06] <djlewis_> the customer did admit he knew nothing of computers and software.
  • [22:47:20] <jkridner|work> ds2's allocation concern is #10. :)
  • [22:47:22] <djlewis_> He shouldn't be allowed to use one.
  • [22:48:02] <ds2> hehehe
  • [22:48:14] <ds2> see, I am not the only one concenred about reality :D
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  • [22:55:41] <Crofton|work> I have an EPROM write that includes the UV eraser
  • [22:56:25] <ds2> early attempt at flash? :D
  • [22:56:42] <Crofton|work> heh
  • [22:56:55] <Crofton|work> I picked up used many years ago, just in case
  • [22:58:59] * djlewis_ gave away his eprom eraser in 96
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  • [22:59:40] <djlewis_> Was a 18" bio lamp in a black light fixture :)
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  • [23:00:55] <djlewis_> only have a 1k and 2k eprom programmer left, it is a S-100 card.
  • [23:01:35] <ds2> nice thing about eeproms is it is a lot harder for the software folks to brick
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  • [23:04:18] <djlewis_> yep.
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  • [23:16:44] <ds2> whoa.... $80 ARM9 Netbook
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  • [23:18:25] <ds2> hmmm throw a case and a LCD around a hawkboard and....
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