[00:09:01] <djlewis> boodily , boodily, boodily...
[00:10:45] <djlewis> ffmpeg-dev takes some time to install on BB
[00:12:03] <djlewis> done
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[00:42:24] <hlfshell> hey guys- does anyone know if anyone has successfully gotten internet working through a usb connection to a host computer with internet
[00:42:33] <GrizzlyAdams> yes
[00:42:40] <hlfshell> GrizzlyAdams - was that in wiki? i couldnt find it
[00:42:51] <hlfshell> i have networking to the beagle through usb working - ssh'ed in right now
[00:43:04] <GrizzlyAdams> ok, you running windows on the host or linux?
[00:43:15] <hlfshell> linux - ubuntu 9.04 just like the beagle
[00:43:35] <GrizzlyAdams> you need to install bridge-utils and read up on how to bridge two networks
[00:44:01] <hlfshell> install iton both? damn i dont have internet on beagle available to apt-get it.
[00:44:11] <GrizzlyAdams> its pretty easy, you just need to set both the usb0 and eth0 to 0.0.0.0 with ifconfig, then brctl addbr br0 ; brctl addif br0 eth0 ; brctl addif br0 usb0
[00:44:22] <GrizzlyAdams> bridge-utils goes on host
[00:44:48] <GrizzlyAdams> then once your bridge is setup you either assign it a static ip, or dhcp it as you would any other interfaces.
[00:45:30] <GrizzlyAdams> http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Ethernet-Bridge-netfilter-HOWTO.html#s3
[00:45:59] <hlfshell> thanks GrizzlyAdams - here i go to fumble around with that now. :-)
[00:46:09] <GrizzlyAdams> i wish you luck
[00:48:23] <hlfshell> thanks
[00:50:51] <hlfshell> question GrizzlyAdams
[00:50:56] <GrizzlyAdams> yes?
[00:50:59] <hlfshell> why do i need to set usb0 and wlan0 to 0.0.0.0
[00:51:09] <hlfshell> this is so i understand whats happening there
[00:51:20] <GrizzlyAdams> oh you're using wifi? it might not work
[00:51:25] <hlfshell> oh. lol
[00:51:31] <hlfshell> well here goes the test for wifi then :-p
[00:51:42] <GrizzlyAdams> but 0.0.0.0 detaches the ip layer from the device.
[00:51:50] <GrizzlyAdams> you might need to setup nat instead :/
[00:52:29] <GrizzlyAdams> bridging + wifi doesn't seem to work too well thanks to all the "acceleration" features in the wifi chipsets
[00:53:20] <GrizzlyAdams> mainly outgoing packets get mangled
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[01:12:03] <djlewis> Barts__: ping
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[01:21:34] <hlfshell> so GrizzlyAdams - that disconnected me :-p. Couldn't get it working, but it doesnt matter. Im at some random tech expo and they want a beagle board set up. theyre gonna have to settle for a internetless BB
[01:22:16] <hlfshell> just thought id pop in and say thanks, since i kinda was forced to dc early there
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[01:58:04] <puppy2> http://sites.google.com/site/puppyswebsite/
[02:03:41] <bkero> sweet
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[02:57:42] <ds2> wheeeeee
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[03:00:54] <djlewis> ds2: so that was the sound of you falling into the bit bucket?
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[03:07:52] <ds2> djlewis: just the sound of running beyond the constructed information super highway
[03:08:01] <ds2> the cliff of information
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[03:28:29] <djlewis> ugh... my 22" wide LCD has developed a dark spot
[03:28:37] <GrizzlyAdams> :(
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[03:29:37] <ds2> more reason for projection ;)
[03:30:06] <djlewis> still smaller than an asterix *
[03:30:26] <djlewis> ds2: hehee. hardly
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[03:30:57] <djlewis> trying to ./configure opencv-2.0 on BB is not happening.
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[03:31:46] <djlewis> opencv-1.1 ./configure works
[03:33:07] <djlewis> both ./configures work on my Ubuntu PC
[03:37:29] <djlewis> checking whether sse2 is supported... ../OpenCV-2.0.0/configure: ./configure.lineno: line 1: syntax error: 0x>>26&0x01
[03:38:11] <djlewis> but that syntax can not be found.
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[03:40:36] <ds2> thou shalt avoid autoconf
[03:41:05] <djlewis> hehee.. configure.lineno line 1: DUALCASE=1; export DUALCASE # for MKS sh
[03:42:39] <djlewis> so this tells me that the problem is not where the error msg says it is.
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[03:49:14] <djlewis> ahh.. found the error string
[03:50:19] <djlewis> if test "$((0x$edx>>26&0x01))" = 1; then
[03:56:02] <djlewis> looks like these x86 sse2 and sse3 tests are blowing it up.
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[04:02:55] <djlewis> hmmm seems './configure --disable-sse' did the trick.
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[04:12:42] <davidwang1969> How to provide much more power for USB TYPE A ? I think it can output more than 1A because TPS2061 can do if DC_5V can provide enough power. I have a USB device connected with Beagleboard USB typeA , it will consume current more than 500mA. Can I connect this USB client to this TYPE A connector? Thanks!
[04:13:14] <davidwang1969> anybody can give me some suggestion?
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[04:14:05] <davidwang1969> anybody is online?
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[04:17:12] <davidwang1969> anybody is online?
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[04:19:29] <djlewis> davidwang1969: the spec for ohc is 100mA and EHCI is 500mA
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[04:19:55] <djlewis> davidwang1969: use a powered hub and two ports of it
[04:33:00] <davidwang1969> TPS2141 is usb power distributor
[04:34:12] <davidwang1969> 5V adaptor is the input of TPS2141, the output of TPS2141 is DC_5V.
[04:34:45] <davidwang1969> so if TPS2141 can output more than 500mA, that is ok
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[04:35:58] <davidwang1969> can I paste a image ?
[04:36:04] <ds2> why are you trying to violate the US spec?
[04:36:06] <ds2> USB
[04:36:48] <davidwang1969> because my device is usb device but consume more tahn 500 mA
[04:37:13] <ds2> then you have a noncompliant USB device
[04:37:15] <ds2> fix that.
[04:37:41] <djlewis> davidwang1969: this is why little external hard drives have two usb plugs. to tap power from two 5oomA ports.
[04:37:49] <ds2> the USB bus is designed to provide a max of 500mA. for more then that, you need to self power it
[04:38:01] <ds2> djlewis: that is not kosher per the USB spec either
[04:38:31] <djlewis> but it is how manufacturers get by.
[04:38:32] <davidwang1969> extra adaptor is so complex
[04:39:18] <ds2> actually no
[04:39:21] <djlewis> ds2: I am referring to using two PC usb ports or a powered hub
[04:39:39] <ds2> it is still a violation of the spec
[04:39:41] <davidwang1969> in fact. my customer use this usb devide,no extra adaptor
[04:39:58] <ds2> that does not change the fact that it is non USBcompliant
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[04:40:23] <djlewis> sounds like it needs to be self powered.
[04:40:41] <davidwang1969> I think bb can do this
[04:41:47] <djlewis> davidwang1969: you might ask the guys that designed the BB on the mail list.
[04:41:48] <davidwang1969> do you think TPS2141 can ouput more than 500mA?
[04:42:10] <davidwang1969> I have seen the schmatic of bb
[04:42:45] <davidwang1969> how I can talk with the guy designing BB?
[04:43:16] <ds2> things that pull more then 500mA does not work on all?? PCs either
[04:43:45] <djlewis> you join the google beagleboard mail list and ask.
[04:44:23] <ds2> Neither are chargers that pull 500mA directly on the Vbus w/o any D+/D- wiring
[04:44:47] <davidwang1969> anybody can tell me how to combine two USB port power to provide much more current?
[04:44:59] <ds2> that is not a proper thing to do
[04:45:07] <ds2> self power is the only option
[04:45:27] <djlewis> the only proper option
[04:45:47] <ds2> there are tons of stuff out that is non compliant
[04:45:59] <ds2> so just because it exists....
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[04:46:05] <bkero> mostly harddrives and optical drives
[04:46:16] <ds2> battery chargers
[04:46:20] <bkero> is usb3 still 500ma?
[04:46:33] <ds2> donno about USB3
[04:47:27] <davidwang1969> yes, I agree! but many usb device such like USB mass storage use two usb, one is communication, other is power supply.
[04:48:02] <GrizzlyAdams> which is a violation as you're not allowed to pull more than 50mA (?) without negotiation from what i remember
[04:48:14] <ds2> that is wrong and unsafe
[04:48:20] <ds2> GrizzlyAdams: 100mA
[04:48:27] <djlewis> one is data and power and the other is power only.
[04:48:31] <GrizzlyAdams> yah knew it was some piddly number
[04:48:43] <ds2> actually, they blindly parallel the Vbus lines
[04:49:12] <GrizzlyAdams> but all those usb charger cables are technically unlicensed and thus in violation of the usb trademark
[04:49:19] <davidwang1969> I think blindly parallel is unsafe
[04:49:21] <djlewis> so ther is proper USB hubs and improper usb hubs ?
[04:49:28] <ds2> indeed, that's why you see them as cheap as $1 each
[04:49:34] <ds2> djlewis: yep
[04:49:45] <bkero> 900ma in usb3
[04:49:48] <ds2> I have 2 physically similar hubs
[04:49:48] <GrizzlyAdams> i have a usb hub, it powered the +5V on my pc from the wallwart, killing my mobo :(
[04:49:52] <bkero> 5 channels of 150ma
[04:49:55] <ds2> one back drives, the other don't
[04:50:10] <davidwang1969> power hub can output more than 500mA?
[04:50:31] <GrizzlyAdams> davidwang1969: depends on the hub's design
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[04:50:55] <GrizzlyAdams> it can't negotiate more than 500mA (because of the usb spec using a byte to spec the voltage in 2mA increments)
[04:51:29] <davidwang1969> I don't think power hub can output much more current than 500mA
[04:51:45] <djlewis> if this is the case then the usb Y power cables have to have data in both
[04:51:58] <GrizzlyAdams> some vendors have implemented vendor class negotiation of high power devices (see the apple macbook air dvd drive, xbox 360 transfer kit, etc)
[04:52:09] <djlewis> to negotiate full power.
[04:52:13] <GrizzlyAdams> djlewis: they don't
[04:52:34] <djlewis> counting on dumb hubs then
[04:52:36] <GrizzlyAdams> they blindly pull what they can, hoping the port won't cut them off, and they won't blow something up
[04:52:49] <davidwang1969> in fact , my usb camera is very power consumption because of high LED light
[04:53:01] <GrizzlyAdams> magicjack scares the crap out of me for how much power it could potentially try to pull
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[04:56:15] <davidwang1969> In fact, in many embeded system, USB power control is very easy just like beagle board. only current limit swicth is used to finish current limit function
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[04:57:49] <djlewis> davidwang1969: designers: answer: the google beagleboard mail list, you join and ask. Link from beagleboard.org
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[04:58:33] <djlewis> might take a day or two to get activated.
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[04:59:28] * djlewis needs to learn more about bitbake recipes.
[04:59:41] <djlewis> this opencv make is taking a looonnnggg time.
[04:59:48] <ds2> it is only python.... :D
[05:00:05] <djlewis> no python goings on yet.
[05:00:23] <djlewis> its building the libs.
[05:00:54] <djlewis> matter of fact, python is now an option
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[05:01:14] <ds2> no, bitbake recipes are python
[05:01:21] <djlewis> oh.
[05:02:14] <djlewis> so its designed to strangle you then eat you?
[05:02:37] <ds2> Yep!
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[05:03:15] <djlewis> :-/
[05:04:04] <djlewis> time for the other side of the continent to start popping in.
[05:04:40] <djlewis> better wording, other side of the earth
[05:05:01] <djlewis> but then a sphere has no sides.... hmmm.
[05:05:27] * djlewis is tired and time to hit the sack ;)
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[05:16:37] <djlewis> gn all
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[08:38:12] <reklipz> is it possible to dump from nand to mmc in u-boot?
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[09:05:05] <_av500_> gm
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[09:39:22] <reklipz> gm
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[10:57:10] <mru> morning
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[11:15:42] <puppy2> me
[11:16:46] <mru> hi puppy2
[11:17:02] <puppy2> Hi mru
[11:17:22] <puppy2> whats news
[11:17:40] <mru> still raining... but that's not news
[11:17:58] <puppy2> where are you from?
[11:18:07] <mru> actually it stopped raining, now it's just windy
[11:18:10] <mru> I'm in england
[11:18:20] <puppy2> cool.. Ontario, canada
[11:19:06] <puppy2> http://sites.google.com/site/puppyswebsite/
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[11:22:00] <mru> raining again...
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[11:22:49] <puppy2> i'm working on decoding the mystical u-boot arguments...
[11:23:09] * mru hands puppy2 a decoder ring
[11:23:29] <puppy2> takes decoder ring...ummm
[11:23:46] <puppy2> http://gitorious.org/beagleboard-default-u-boot/pages/Home
[11:24:07] <puppy2> hands a website... puppys new thing to chew on....
[11:27:40] <puppy2> mru: chewing away too...
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[11:39:39] <jpsaman> hi what exactly does this error mean:
[11:39:42] <jpsaman> kernel/built-in.o(.text+0x4f428): In function `ring_buffer_resize':
[11:39:42] <jpsaman> slow-work.c: undefined reference to `.L1020'
[11:39:51] <jpsaman> anybody?
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[11:42:21] <mru> broken compiler or assembler
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[11:44:24] <jpsaman> sure? I have gcc version 3.4.3 (MontaVista 3.4.3-25.0.30.0501131 2005-07-23)
[11:44:51] <jpsaman> and: GNU assembler 2.15.94 20041215
[11:46:58] <reklipz> has anyone tried compiling u-boot v2?
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[11:53:12] <mru> jpsaman: looks very, very broken to me
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[11:53:50] <mru> you should be using gcc 4.2.4 or 4.3.4 and binutils 2.18 or later
[11:53:55] <jpsaman> mru: the toolchain compiles older kernels fine
[11:54:02] <jpsaman> so what changed?
[11:54:09] <mru> time passed
[11:54:11] <jpsaman> ;)
[11:54:20] <mru> about 5 years of it
[11:54:41] <jpsaman> mru: know a good arm cross-compiler?
[11:54:56] <mru> I don't know any truly good compilers
[11:55:00] <jpsaman> ;)
[11:55:04] <mru> but plain gcc works fine for building the kernel
[11:55:16] <mru> codesourcery gcc is ok too
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[11:55:23] <mru> I recommend the 2009q1 release
[11:55:31] <jpsaman> well I am cross-compiling so need an arm one
[11:56:09] <mru> you can get binaries from codesourcery
[11:57:17] <adj> omg! That can't be mru. I didn't believe that he would ever say "gcc is ok" in any context
[11:57:40] <mru> that's ok as in "builds a working kernel"
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[12:13:41] <mru> wow, the sun is shining from a blue sky
[12:14:48] <adj> you just stole the blue sky from us. Morning was perfect, now it's grey and dull as usual
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[12:26:22] <mru> adj: you've had it long enough, it's our turn now
[12:39:54] <reklipz> hey all. I want to install debian on my beagleboard (to the mmc). Debian distributes an installer, a ramdisk (initrd) and a kernel (vmlinuz). Can I simply wrap this into a uimage and boot from it with u-boot?
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[13:51:42] <djlewis> umm... good coffee...
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[14:15:38] <mru> morning djlewis
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[14:28:48] <reklipz> in linux, the clock keeps resetting back to unix epoch, so fsck fails with (last mounted time is in future), and forces me to enter maintenance mode, which then causes a restart on exit.
[14:28:54] <reklipz> how can i keep this from happening?
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[14:32:58] <eFfeM> reklipz: there is no hw clock so you either should add a rt clock (e.g. by buying a zippy board), or add a network dongle (wired or wifi) and set the time with ntp
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[14:33:17] <eFfeM> but I never had problems with fsck
[14:33:28] <torusle> doesn't the TWP-whatnot analog companion chip has a realtime clock that can be battery buffered?
[14:33:54] <reklipz> if there is no hwclock, why is there a place for a battery on revc?
[14:33:59] <reklipz> err rev c3
[14:34:30] <torusle> reklipz, wait a moment. I'll take a look at the data-sheet.
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[14:34:46] <eFfeM> reklipz: maybe that is possible, I have an earlier C
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[14:35:09] <reklipz> RTC in TPS65950
[14:35:14] <torusle> The TPS65950 has a RTC.
[14:35:16] <eFfeM> but still even without clock my system boots fine
[14:35:21] <reklipz> agreed
[14:35:24] <eFfeM> (angstrom)
[14:35:32] <torusle> works for me as well..
[14:35:41] <reklipz> I'm using the kernel from here: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian
[14:35:48] <reklipz> s/from/referenced
[14:35:48] <torusle> make gets confused every once in a while, but that's something I can work around.
[14:35:50] <reklipz> must be the kernel
[14:36:16] <reklipz> oh, lookie there, in the known issues, no rtc support
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[14:36:34] <reklipz> but that still doesn't explain how to get around fsck...
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[14:37:03] <torusle> one could hook up a I??C RTC-chip on the expansion header... If you use a common chip the kernel may even detect and use it.
[14:37:41] <cnanda> I have bought a new beagleboard, on powering on it keep printing 'Texas Instruments X-Loader 1.4.2 (Feb 19 2009 - 12:01:24)' So what could be the problem
[14:37:43] <cnanda> ?
[14:38:12] <reklipz> cnanda, that is a _good_ sign
[14:38:31] <reklipz> that is the second stage boot loader, loading
[14:39:01] <reklipz> if you hold the user button while booting, you should see some other jazz printed (similar to " 40V ")
[14:39:12] <reklipz> thta is the first stage boot loader (boot rom) sending an ASIC ID
[14:39:19] <reklipz> which, would also be a good sign
[14:40:23] <cnanda> Yes, I can see different messages while pressing USER button
[14:40:54] <cnanda> But still U-Boot promt does not appear?
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[14:41:54] <torusle> cnanda, there are tutorials out there how to get u-boot loaded.. I did that twice, but I have forgotton how it works.
[14:42:16] <reklipz> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard#BootRom
[14:43:08] <cnanda> I think, there should be a preloaded u-boot image in the board itself .. isn't it?
[14:43:11] <reklipz> the easist method is to boot from MMC (via boot rom), which will then boot x-loader (from mmc), which will then load u-boot (from mmc), from which you can then flash NAND with u-boot
[14:43:27] <reklipz> cnanda: I believe so as well.
[14:43:37] <torusle> reklipz, that's how I've done it.
[14:43:39] <reklipz> http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BootingBeagleBoard
[14:43:55] <reklipz> cnanda: follow that guide, that should fix your issue
[14:44:05] <reklipz> "issue"
[14:44:43] <reklipz> it would be wise to familiarize yourself with the boot sequence as well, if you ever plan to muck with the board beyond being in the kernel
[14:44:54] <cnanda> Ok, thanks ... i will be back with the updates
[14:45:27] <cnanda> Yeah ... i am just starting now ..
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[14:45:41] <torusle> reklipz, RTC on C3 Beagle: http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/05a7a83b8378d272
[14:45:55] <reklipz> reading...
[14:47:18] <reklipz> torusle, thanks
[14:47:30] <torusle> no problem..
[14:47:36] <reklipz> :P
[14:47:47] <reklipz> kernel doesn't have rtc support (at least this rtc)
[14:47:51] <reklipz> but I will keep that in mind
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[14:48:21] <torusle> hm. shouldn't be to hard to add it as a module.. it's just a RTC after all.
[14:48:49] <mru> C3 only needs a battery
[14:49:24] <torusle> I wonder if my B4 has a RTC as well...
[14:49:46] <mru> all boards have an rtc
[14:49:58] <mru> before C3 there was no way to attach a battery
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[14:50:25] <torusle> Ah! so it's just a question of getting the backup voltage to the analog companion chip, right?
[14:50:31] <mru> yes
[14:51:15] <torusle> hm. and let me guess: the pins are buried deep down under the chip and there is no way to solder a wire to them..
[14:51:25] <mru> probably
[14:51:29] <torusle> :-)
[14:51:53] <reklipz> I have a nice fat trace running across the top of my board, :)
[14:52:34] <reklipz> with a zero ohm jumper between it and gnd...
[14:52:49] <reklipz> heh, that would explain that thread you sent, torusle
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[14:53:49] <reklipz> and of course, this is all documented in the SRM, hopefully he read it before he installed thebattery
[14:55:18] <torusle> hey - does anyone has a documentation of the I2C registers of the TPS65950 btw?
[14:55:50] <reklipz> you mean this: http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tps65950.pdf ?
[14:56:45] <torusle> reklipz, will have a look.. but the pdf looks promising.
[14:58:47] <reklipz> torusle: it doesn't appear to have what you're looking for, sorry
[14:59:08] <torusle> reklipz, strange... I haven't found any documentation of the registers so far...
[14:59:21] <torusle> reklipz, any souce seems to be the bits and pieces from the linux kernel.
[14:59:53] <reklipz> http://focus.ti.com/lit/ug/swcu050d/swcu050d.pdf
[14:59:56] <reklipz> success
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[15:01:56] <reklipz> does the chip provide more i2c buses then?
[15:02:46] <reklipz> from what I'm reading, the only i2c goodies are for as slave
[15:03:31] <torusle> reklipz, somehow you have to configure it...
[15:04:10] <reklipz> torusle: correct, all of those registers are available in the TRM (http://focus.ti.com/lit/ug/swcu050d/swcu050d.pdf)
[15:04:28] <reklipz> sorry for the misunderstanding
[15:04:42] <torusle> reklipz, jep! there they are! thank you...
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[15:18:04] <reklipz> configuring my $10 802.11n card..
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[15:20:14] <reklipz> hmm... how do i get kernel modules for my kernel?
[15:24:18] <torusle> reklipz, compile it :-)
[15:24:30] <torusle> reklipz, what kernel are you using btw?
[15:24:51] <reklipz> torusle: If I'm using debian, isn't that sposed to be taken care of for me?
[15:25:06] <reklipz> torusle: I
[15:25:09] <torusle> reklipz, in theory yes...
[15:25:19] <reklipz> I'm trying to boto debian, following this guide, http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian
[15:25:30] <reklipz> so currently I'm using a kernel supplied by that author
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[15:25:44] <torusle> reklipz, I haven't tried out debian yet.. I use the angstrom distribution and I'm happy with it.
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[15:36:48] <reklipz> so, i'll have to compile the rt2870sta module manually?
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[17:47:00] <Delivereath> Hi
[17:47:03] <Delivereath> anyone here ?
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[17:54:07] <eFfeM> 148 people here :-)
[17:55:51] <prpplague> not me i left
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[18:01:38] <adj> and my wife just took some blueberry-banana pie out of the owen so in 0.001 seconds I won't be here either
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[18:27:27] <adj> oops :D
[18:30:55] <eFfeM> adj already finished that pie ?
[18:34:12] <adj> I wasn't allowed to eat the whole pie, had to leave some of it for others
[18:37:07] <eFfeM> :-)
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[20:04:03] <djlewis> Ok, I think I have blocked all entrances to my pickup truck's heat/air blower system.
[20:04:27] <djlewis> Got another pound of acorns out of the blower fan today.
[20:05:56] <djlewis> Dang field rats...
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[20:21:51] <Animule> or like when you put something in the microwave then forget about it... find it two days later... :(
[20:28:28] <eFfeM> hi, is elinux.org working for any of you? I get a timeout
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[20:52:53] * prpplague checks elinux.org
[20:53:15] <prpplague> eFfeM: looks fine here
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[21:28:17] <eFfeM> prpplague: guess it is something in the international link
[21:30:14] <mru> http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/elinux.org
[21:36:22] <eFfeM> <grin>
[21:37:35] <eFfeM> will do things tomorrow, calling it a day for now, nite all
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[22:25:38] <djlewis> +
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