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  • [01:28:37] <jevin> Howdy, all! Does anybody have experience using the LCD headers? I want to connect to a panel but I am unsure about how to use the headers. Can I get a ribbon cable that connects to 50 mil pitch?
  • [01:29:28] <prpplague> jevin: i've not been able to find any ribbon cable that easily mates with the 1.27mm connectors
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  • [01:32:29] <jevin> I saw the beagleboardtoys VGA adaptor but that is a daughter board and I was wondering if there was a way other than the daughter board approach
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  • [01:47:43] <prpplague^2> jevin you are wanting to do a LCD interface or just connect a display?
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  • [01:49:17] <jevin> LCD interface
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  • [01:49:43] <jevin> prpplague^2, i think that I will have to end up with a daughter board
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  • [01:52:52] <mmW> Hi all
  • [01:53:22] <mmW> does anyone know of a way to enable HW flow control using the standard UART, or do you HAVE to use a UART through GPIO to get access to HW flow control?
  • [01:54:24] <prpplague^2> jevin yea a daughter board is best
  • [01:54:58] <prpplague^2> mmW the primary uart on the beagle doesn't support HW flow control
  • [01:55:06] <mmW> right
  • [01:55:23] <mmW> so there is no way to configure it to enable HW flow control
  • [01:55:54] <mmW> kk we can use the UART2 via GPIO, I just wanted to see if there was an easier way
  • [01:57:42] <prpplague^2> mmW nope
  • [01:58:00] <mmW> ok, thanks!
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  • [02:21:48] <xxiao> is android on beagle using gstreamer to replace opencore? or they work together somehow?
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  • [02:34:58] <beaglebird> hello everyone?
  • [02:35:19] <beaglebird> can anybody tell me how to build qt with opengl support?
  • [02:35:57] <beaglebird> i tried a lot but always get this error "The OpenGL ES 1.x functionality test failed! You might need to modify the include and library search paths by editing QMAKE_INCDIR_OPENGL, QMAKE_LIBDIR_OPENGL and QMAKE_LIBS_OPENGL in"
  • [02:36:17] <beaglebird> i don't know howto set them properly..
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  • [04:07:16] <zub> join #oe
  • [04:07:25] <zub> huh sorry
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  • [05:39:18] <xaxes> hey there ;)
  • [05:41:13] <xaxes> got a question .. Imagin I want to test some modifications to an omap-OS for the beagleboard.. but I havnt till now one.. Is there a good way to emulate / test the stuff?
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  • [05:49:14] <xaxes> http://beagleboard.org/project/OMAP+Emulator/ found this, but cant see any link or something to get it .. and the jtag-emulator, ..
  • [05:50:24] <hyc> qemu has some ARM support, but apparently not complete yet
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  • [05:51:57] <xaxes> so every omap developer flashes changes for testing of the boards? mhh
  • [05:52:48] <hyc> my touchbook boots off SD cards. I have 4-5 SD cards here that I load up and swap around for new test images.
  • [05:53:01] <siji> hi all goodmorning
  • [05:53:16] <hyc> the boot code basically doesn't change that much
  • [05:53:26] <xaxes> hyc: your touchbook has some different cpu, hasnt it?
  • [05:53:39] <xaxes> hey siji
  • [05:53:40] <hyc> no, it's based off a rev C beagleboard
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  • [05:53:44] <xaxes> oh
  • [05:53:45] <xaxes> :D
  • [05:53:47] <hyc> omap3530, same as the rest
  • [05:54:02] <xaxes> my it's an athlon.. therefore I havnt this advantage
  • [05:54:20] <siji> hi xaxes
  • [05:55:23] <xaxes> mhh thanks so far .. first of all Ill gonna read some stuff about uboot .. see ya later
  • [05:55:26] <hyc> I have the full build environment on my laptop
  • [05:55:32] <hyc> bye
  • [05:56:48] <xaxes> I mean beagle isnt that much expensive, but expensive enough for me ;)
  • [05:58:55] <siji> how to improve the frame rate of clutter gui applications
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  • [06:24:51] <Joe___> hi there
  • [06:25:14] <Joe___> Joe would like to report a bug found in Angstrom
  • [06:31:00] <Joe___> this bug is about the system window (Log out, Reboot, Hibermate etc). It looks all ok if the language setting is English, but it looks strange if the system language is German.
  • [06:31:18] <raster> known
  • [06:31:19] <raster> :)\
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  • [06:43:37] <Joe___> really? very good
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  • [06:44:26] <Joe___> is it known that the system starts again after power down in the system
  • [06:47:53] <_koen_1> good morning all
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  • [06:48:15] <Joe___> morning koen
  • [06:48:34] <_koen_> raster: I updated the E srcrev in OE, now I have filesytem icons again in places :)
  • [06:50:03] <raster> ???
  • [06:50:08] <raster> thats a bad thing?
  • [06:50:36] <raster> Joe___: starting again after a haklt will be another issue
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  • [06:50:48] <raster> the shutdown will by default config issue a shutdown -h now
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  • [07:01:03] <Pavlov> ls
  • [07:01:05] <Pavlov> er
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  • [07:40:08] <Joe___> hallo noeska!
  • [07:41:09] <noeska> hello
  • [07:41:38] <noeska> im just i bit disapointed the the gles drivers are dependend on libx-6 :-(
  • [07:41:45] <Joe___> could you follow instruction to switch video output to svideo?
  • [07:42:04] <noeska> have not tried svideo yet
  • [07:45:42] <koen> raster: no, that's a good thing :)
  • [07:46:44] <Joe___> anybody can tell why my system boots up again after a powerdown?
  • [07:47:02] <noeska> how dit you do powerdown?
  • [07:47:11] <noeska> dit = did
  • [07:47:48] <Joe___> in the system "main menu" > "system"
  • [07:48:11] <Joe___> then clicked in the windows with many other options
  • [07:48:40] <Joe___> what is strange is that it work for a while before I blicked my BB
  • [07:49:27] <Joe___> I could repair it
  • [07:49:27] <hyc> hmm. It seems the 3430 TRM documents the IVA a lot better than the 3530 TRM
  • [07:49:58] <Joe___> I cannot say if x-boot or something is different now
  • [07:50:09] <noeska> Joe__: from console as root do: shutdown -h now
  • [07:50:19] <Joe___> It looks as if u-boot would start after a while
  • [07:50:35] <raster> koen: u have the filemanager module runnig then i guess and have desktop icokns enabled
  • [07:50:36] <Joe___> i'll try this tonight
  • [07:51:35] <noeska> who can tell why the gles drivers are dependend on x? cannot they work without it?
  • [07:52:14] <raster> probably because if they are to work in x - they need to talk to and know about it
  • [07:52:25] <raster> u cant have them totally 100% ignorant of x
  • [07:52:33] <raster> if uwant them to work both in and out of x.
  • [07:52:53] <raster> x controls the framebuffer contents and manages what rendering goes where.
  • [07:52:57] <raster> u cant just ignore x
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  • [07:57:56] <noeska> i only want them to work without x, for now i consider x collateral damage ... but is there a way to install the ipk without having x installed ...
  • [07:58:17] <raster> the egl libs - inside the codee, need to talk to x
  • [07:58:32] <raster> thats is why u have dependencies on x
  • [07:58:36] <raster> so no way out
  • [07:58:49] <raster> others want gles to work in x
  • [07:59:18] <raster> u'd have to ask those who have the soruce to produce egl libs withotu x support as separate builds, as they are closed binaries
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  • [08:00:17] <raster> x doesnt hurt you anyway. its a much better way to handle your display as any work u do on desktop is 100% portable directly to device, no changes
  • [08:00:40] <raster> (if you use a gles wrapper lib like the powervr sdk has on desktop - which is likely what u'd do to make development sane)
  • [08:03:21] <av500> gm hyc
  • [08:03:24] <av500> jo raster
  • [08:03:29] <raster> yo av500!
  • [08:03:32] <raster> wasaaaaap
  • [08:03:37] <hyc> morning av500
  • [08:03:55] <hyc> just been reading the IVA chapter of the 3430 TRM
  • [08:04:06] <hyc> looks like actually most of what you need is already documented
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  • [08:07:32] <av500> hyc: actually, u are right, I missed that so far it seams :-)
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  • [08:08:15] <hyc> yeah, it doesn't pay to only read the 3530 docs :P
  • [08:08:35] <av500> I guess only the 35xx are public, no?
  • [08:09:06] <hyc> 3430 doc is public too http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbudocumentcenter.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12667
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  • [08:10:49] <matt___> av500: one interesting thing, the business unit of 35xx and 34xx are different in TI
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  • [08:11:03] <av500> matt___: I know that very well
  • [08:11:20] <_koen_> raster: I disable desktop icons and use the places module, and places now show the proper icon for the drive (sd) and for fs (tux or windows logo)
  • [08:11:35] <_koen_> raster: in the old srcrev it only showed the sd icon
  • [08:12:05] <raster> oh places
  • [08:12:11] <raster> not sure there. dont use it
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  • [08:13:03] <matt___> av500: it's odd somehow
  • [08:14:39] <hyc> av500: found that from this thread http://talk.maemo.org/archive/index.php/t-21795.html
  • [08:15:03] <hyc> the Intel poulsbo datasheet has a few more SGX details, but still not enough to use
  • [08:15:25] <_koen_> poulsbong
  • [08:15:34] <_koen_> as various developers call it
  • [08:17:21] <hyc> heh... and a paper on implementing VC-1 decoder on OMAP2420 https://www.utd.edu/~lxr062000/Vc1.PDF
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  • [08:18:47] <hyc> the more I read the more amazed I am how much compute power they cram into such a tiny power-efficient chip
  • [08:19:35] <hyc> the video accelerator is attached to the DSP, but controlled by its own ARM9 sequencer. sheesh, how many compute engines are there really in this thing...
  • [08:20:01] <av500> hyc: actually, u can use the arm9 seq for other things if you want
  • [08:20:18] <hyc> heh, I guessed that would be the case
  • [08:20:41] <Joe___> a question for Angstrom team: any chance to use MKFS?
  • [08:21:25] <av500> hyc: ok, the link has version I, I have M here...
  • [08:21:52] <av500> hyc: do you plan to go into omap3 dsp stuff?
  • [08:22:04] <hyc> av500: as my spare time allows ...
  • [08:22:09] <av500> :-)
  • [08:22:50] <hyc> version I? 3430 TRM?
  • [08:23:34] <av500> ys
  • [08:23:46] <hyc> it says Version V and Public Version
  • [08:24:23] <hyc> Literature Number: SWPU114V, July 2007 - Revised September 2009
  • [08:25:40] <hyc> not sure that I'll have enough time to become useful in terms of codec code
  • [08:26:08] <av500> hmm, then u have another link...
  • [08:26:21] <hyc> but still interested in exploring all the possibilities from this hardware
  • [08:28:04] <hyc> http://focus.ti.com/pdfs/wtbu/SWPU114V_FinalEPDF_09_09_2009.pdf
  • [08:28:44] <hyc> that link is on the page I linked above
  • [08:30:06] <av500> I got only the "I" link...
  • [08:30:26] <av500> the vc1 link is broken
  • [08:30:38] <hyc> look again on the focus.ti.com link, not the maemo talk link
  • [08:30:39] <av500> ah no
  • [08:30:59] <av500> hyc: okok, too many irc windows here...
  • [08:31:05] <hyc> heh
  • [08:32:04] <hyc> http://download.intel.com/design/chipsets/embedded/datashts/319537.pdf
  • [08:32:13] <hyc> that's the Intel datasheet, ch. 9 has a little about the SGX
  • [08:32:14] <av500> well, then it all nice and open, so go code :-)
  • [08:33:04] <hyc> well, like I said, it will take me too long to learn enough to understand the existing H.264 code to be much use, I think
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  • [08:33:47] <hyc> but we'll see
  • [08:38:35] <hyc> oh, switching gears - what about the omap security hardware? RNG, AES...
  • [08:38:53] <av500> is not public yet I think.
  • [08:39:02] <hyc> is that hardware even present in the beagleboard chip?
  • [08:39:22] <av500> yes
  • [08:41:06] <mru> the 3430 trm doesn't have nearly enough info on the accelerators to be useful
  • [08:42:02] <hyc> mru: glad you said that. i was beginning to think I was missing something
  • [08:43:23] <av500> mru: you always have to spoil it :-)
  • [08:43:30] <suihkulokki> I think the security block is a "accelerator" but rather something that tries to be harder to crack
  • [08:43:37] <suihkulokki> eg. for implementing drm et all
  • [08:43:52] <hyc> that other thread I posted talks about the accelerator being similar to the ones in DM270 http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?contentId=4681&navigationId=11998&templateId=6123
  • [08:43:57] <av500> suihkulokki: the DES/AES engines are just that, nothing mystic about it
  • [08:43:58] <suihkulokki> s/is a/is not a/
  • [08:44:04] <mru> indeed
  • [08:44:15] <hyc> DM270 also says it has variable length coding/decoding but there's no mention in the 3430
  • [08:44:23] <av500> hyc: sure it it
  • [08:44:36] <suihkulokki> but is it really faster than what you would do on cortex a8 in software ?
  • [08:44:44] <av500> suihkulokki: yes
  • [08:44:49] <mru> for some unfathomable reason they disable it on the GP devices, iirc
  • [08:44:55] <av500> mru: nope
  • [08:45:05] <suihkulokki> ok, then I was thinking wrong :)
  • [08:45:06] <mru> ah, good to be wrong sometimes
  • [08:45:08] <hyc> suihkulokki: it doesn't need to be that much faster, as long as you can use it for "free"
  • [08:45:09] <av500> suihkulokki: and faster does not matter always, what matters that it runs in parallel
  • [08:45:29] <hyc> good quality RNG is very tough to do in software
  • [08:45:32] <av500> a quadcore core is slower than a dualcore core...
  • [08:45:42] <av500> still ppl buy quadc
  • [08:45:43] <mru> hyc: a true rng is impossible to do in software
  • [08:45:44] <hyc> though on the touchbook I imagine we can use the accelerometer for RNG input
  • [08:45:49] <mru> unless you have a buggy cpu
  • [08:46:25] <hyc> mru: that must be what Intel did with all their FDIV bugged circuits
  • [08:47:33] <raster> av500: M04r c0r3z FTW!
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  • [08:47:48] <mru> hi raster
  • [08:48:00] <raster> mru: morning mate
  • [08:48:05] <av500> raster: sure, I told the boss I want that new SGI box...
  • [08:48:10] <raster> hahahah
  • [08:48:13] <av500> no reply yet...
  • [08:48:34] <raster> well sinc ethe mhz race kind of ended. now its the cores race
  • [08:49:01] <raster> gotta have something to wave about to show how big your genetalia are... if its not mhz, then cores will have to do
  • [08:49:01] <raster> :)
  • [08:50:15] <av500> you mean lil', but many of 'em?
  • [08:50:56] <raster> hahahahahha!
  • [08:51:18] * raster goes back to grumbling about threads
  • [08:51:19] <av500> hyc: all these hw accells are similar over ti dsp generations, they get more powerfull and more codecs added...
  • [08:51:30] <hyc> hm, I guess sex is inherently parallel processing, at the micro scale, millions of little buggers swimming around
  • [08:51:41] <hyc> av500: yeah, makes sense
  • [08:51:45] <raster> hahahahhaa
  • [08:51:59] <mru> like those GPU threads
  • [08:52:01] <av500> hyc: I had a student do mpeg1 on a dsc25 using the hw stuff...
  • [08:52:16] <av500> mru: yeah, only one will come up with a result...
  • [08:52:24] <av500> 42!
  • [08:52:28] <raster> 6x7
  • [08:52:53] <av500> raster: no 6x9
  • [08:53:03] <av500> 42(base 13)
  • [08:53:04] <mru> the universe runs on pentium
  • [08:53:39] * mru prefers base 14
  • [08:53:46] * mru is still 21 there
  • [08:54:11] <hyc> heh
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  • [08:55:22] * av500 has invited ppl to his 0x20 birthdays some ys ago...
  • [08:56:05] <av500> hyc: If you want to play with a DM270 EVM, tell me :-)(
  • [08:56:48] <hyc> you've got one lying around? I think it would be too distracting ;)
  • [08:56:59] <av500> I can give you the whole range :-)
  • [08:58:13] <hyc> what does your company do?
  • [08:59:02] <av500> ggogle av500
  • [08:59:22] <av500> we debug TI chips...
  • [08:59:46] <Joe___> archos?
  • [08:59:55] <av500> yes
  • [09:00:40] <Joe___> you like kimchi?
  • [09:01:02] <av500> occasionally... why?
  • [09:01:08] <av500> u gonna send me some?
  • [09:01:24] <Joe___> is archos not korean?
  • [09:02:31] <hyc> av500: this is my day job... http://www.openldap.org/lists/openldap-devel/200909/msg00009.html
  • [09:02:48] <hyc> but I've found a nice overlap into ARM programming
  • [09:03:09] <av500> with android?
  • [09:03:29] <hyc> since I now have my code running on both the TouchBook and my Android G1
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  • [09:04:07] <Joe___> i see, archos is french
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  • [09:04:13] <av500> Oui
  • [09:05:03] <Joe___> c'est tres jouli
  • [09:05:07] <Joe___> :D
  • [09:05:45] <Joe___> av500: ever tried to configure DSS for svideo out
  • [09:05:46] <Joe___> ?
  • [09:06:38] <hyc> so, AV500 was released in 2005. What's your 2009 product? ;)
  • [09:07:10] <hyc> (never mind, I see...)
  • [09:07:32] <hyc> http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1533979/archos-internet-tablet-action
  • [09:10:12] <hyc> not sure I would choose Android if I had the choice.
  • [09:11:25] <hyc> I am certainly going to look into booting some other desktop/GUI on my phone. I hate java and it's ridiculous having so many JVM instances running all the time on a phone with only 96M of RAM, where each VM is a minimum of 80M.
  • [09:11:57] <hyc> my server only uses 6M, and I consider that large already, for such a small device.
  • [09:13:47] <hyc> I've discovered that the last 3 apps I installed on my phone all spawn background services that I can't stop from running, and now on top of all the other background services that were already there, it runs slower than my old moto z6c.
  • [09:14:44] <hyc> it strikes me that all the efforts to port Android to other small computing devices are a big mistake
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  • [09:29:43] <ldesnogu_> hyc, are you sure the JVM needs to have multiple instances?
  • [09:30:14] <hyc> ldesnogu_: that is the basic premise of the Android OS
  • [09:30:22] <hyc> every app runs in its own jvm
  • [09:30:36] <hyc> I guess they base their security model on this
  • [09:30:38] <ldesnogu_> and each of these is 80MB ?
  • [09:30:54] <mru> sounds like java...
  • [09:30:57] <ldesnogu_> that seems crazy
  • [09:31:00] <hyc> well, that's their virtual process size, obviously a lot is shared
  • [09:31:09] <ldesnogu_> ha
  • [09:31:14] <ldesnogu_> that changes a lot then :-)
  • [09:31:14] <mru> java *is* crazy
  • [09:31:15] <hyc> but the overall effect is as you would expect - load more than 3-4 apps and it slows to a crawl
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  • [09:32:03] <hyc> power-on/boot time is incredibly slow. i think my laptop boots faster.
  • [09:32:32] <hyc> and at this point, switching apps causes other apps to die randomly, as the scheduler finds victims for the OOM killer
  • [09:32:52] <hyc> but the system manager process always tries to restart every exiting service
  • [09:32:57] <hyc> so it thrashes itself constantly
  • [09:33:59] <ldesnogu_> I admit I also have difficulties seeing how Java can be a solution for embedded things :)
  • [09:34:19] <hyc> it is a monumentally stupid design
  • [09:34:33] <hyc> and a tremendous letdown
  • [09:34:40] <hyc> I may try to port maemo to this phone
  • [09:34:51] <hyc> that at least appears to be using native code, not java
  • [09:34:52] <ldesnogu_> what SoC does it use??
  • [09:34:53] <ldesnogu_> ?
  • [09:35:10] <hyc> lemme check again, it executes armv5el
  • [09:35:52] <hyc> qualcomm 7201 http://gizmodo.com/5042076/htc-dream-gets-unconfirmed-specs-decent-cpu-power-meager-ram
  • [09:35:56] <ldesnogu_> the first Android release was based on arm926
  • [09:36:14] <hyc> typically running at 384MHz, can be goosed up to 528MHz
  • [09:36:49] <ldesnogu_> it's ARMv6 then
  • [09:37:16] <ldesnogu_> http://www.qctconnect.com/products/msm_7201.html
  • [09:37:35] <hyc> oh? the android SDK is generating code for armv5
  • [09:37:55] <ldesnogu_> well for user code v6 doesn't add that many things
  • [09:40:23] <hyc> anyway, this last bit of stupidity with background services has really ticked me off
  • [09:40:36] <_koen_> armv6 without vfp, that is
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  • [09:40:53] <ldesnogu_> hyc, go back to Atari and GEM days :-)
  • [09:41:02] <hyc> yeah, exactly
  • [09:41:25] <hyc> y'know, I bet even an unaccelerated MGR would run great on this phone
  • [09:41:41] <mru> ldesnogu_: huh? v6 adds lots of good stuff over v5
  • [09:41:50] <mru> it's v6K that's kernel stuff
  • [09:42:12] <mru> v6T2 adds a few useful arm instructions too
  • [09:42:13] <ldesnogu_> hyc, someone could port aranym :)
  • [09:42:27] <ldesnogu_> mru, I doubt QC chip supports T2
  • [09:43:10] <ldesnogu_> ha I thought uxt instruction was added with v7
  • [09:43:16] <ldesnogu_> this one is certainly useful
  • [09:43:17] <hyc> aranym, and run M68K binaries? I think I would just recompile the MiNT kernel for ARM and run ARM binaries
  • [09:44:17] <ldesnogu_> doesn't MiNT somewhat rely on GEMDOS?
  • [09:44:34] <hyc> mmm, I think we ultimately wound up replacing all of GEMDOS
  • [09:44:52] <hyc> but XBIOS, VDI, and AES would still be needed
  • [09:46:07] <hyc> funny to think that this phone could run everything from my TT030...
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  • [09:46:35] <ldesnogu_> it probably could run everything through emulation :)
  • [09:47:42] <hyc> way too tempting....
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  • [09:49:30] <hyc> unfortunately the radio controller is still just a blob. writing a GEMDOS driver for that would be interesting.
  • [09:50:05] <hyc> MiNT XDD, I mean ;)
  • [09:50:46] <hyc> ldesnogu_: so, you were an Atari hacker too?
  • [09:50:51] <ldesnogu_> I never used anything from the OS during my Atari days, only assembler, which certainly made me not very productive
  • [09:51:02] <ldesnogu_> yes I was an Atari hacker for long :-)
  • [09:51:13] <ldesnogu_> still have some of them
  • [09:52:04] <hyc> yeah, still have most of mine. 2 TT030s, 2 Falcons, mega4, 1040STe
  • [09:52:09] <ldesnogu_> I even remember you from Usenet :)
  • [09:52:14] <mru> ldesnogu_: all the *8 and *16 insns are v6 too
  • [09:52:18] <mru> and rev
  • [09:52:28] <hyc> no more 800XL, sadly. wow, now you're really going far back.
  • [09:52:41] <ldesnogu_> mru, except for rev these are useless outside of multimedia :)
  • [09:53:10] <mru> there's something outside of multimedia?
  • [09:53:16] <ldesnogu_> :-)
  • [09:54:04] <ldesnogu_> hyc, I never had a Falcon; when it went out I had the possibility to buy a Sun IPC workstation for about the same price, and I went the Sun way; that was the end of my Atari days
  • [09:54:32] <hyc> ah too bad, that was my introduction to DSP
  • [09:54:55] <hyc> wrote a voice recognition system for it, processing telephone audio at 50x realtime speed
  • [09:55:05] <ldesnogu_> well I had been accepted by Atari France as developer but they didn't have stock for 14MB Falcon
  • [09:55:47] <hyc> yeah, they were hard to come by...
  • [09:57:06] <hyc> funny... I was thinking the other day that tinkering with my TouchBook reminded me of the fun days of programming the Atari
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  • [10:04:13] <ldesnogu_> hyc, the problem is that my needs have gone up, and I can't even imagine developing on a device that only has 256MB of RAM
  • [10:04:36] <hyc> agreed
  • [10:04:45] <ldesnogu_> I've already succeeded in exceeding the 6GB or RAM of my PC compiling a single file :-(
  • [10:04:49] <hyc> my laptop has 4GB and occasionally my builds run it into swap
  • [10:04:49] <daniel_ki> *cough*
  • [10:05:04] * daniel_ki likes his KC 85 with 64k address space
  • [10:05:12] <mru> I have 6GB ram and I'm considering getting another 6
  • [10:05:28] <ldesnogu_> daniel_ki, do you compile on it? :-)
  • [10:05:37] <hyc> mmmm.... even PDP-11 only had 64K address space
  • [10:05:50] <daniel_ki> ldesnogu_: yes :)
  • [10:06:14] <hyc> address space isn't a terrible limit if you also implement VM ;)
  • [10:06:27] <daniel_ki> er
  • [10:06:29] <daniel_ki> it still is
  • [10:06:45] <mru> hyc: you need virtual address space to do VM
  • [10:06:47] <ldesnogu_> even VM isn't enough, if your process needs more memory, you're dead
  • [10:07:05] <daniel_ki> indeed
  • [10:07:12] <mru> VM lets you do disk paging though
  • [10:07:28] <hyc> mru: the CPU doesn't need to have a larger address space.
  • [10:07:34] <mru> anyone remember msdos "overlays"?
  • [10:07:39] <hyc> exactly
  • [10:07:46] <daniel_ki> hyc: of course it is a problem
  • [10:07:48] <ldesnogu_> I never used an msdos PC...
  • [10:07:48] <mru> that was not vm
  • [10:07:59] <hyc> hmmm, ok
  • [10:08:07] <daniel_ki> 64k is not much
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  • [10:08:30] <daniel_ki> addressing anything beyond that requires the app to be aware of memory banking
  • [10:08:32] <daniel_ki> no VM
  • [10:08:33] <daniel_ki> manually
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  • [10:08:35] <hyc> it is user-space controlled memory extension. not virtual since the app has to know about it
  • [10:08:42] <daniel_ki> indeed
  • [10:08:44] <mru> exactly
  • [10:08:52] <mru> in msdos you have no OS
  • [10:08:57] <daniel_ki> anyway, I'm talking about a machine that runs CP/M :)
  • [10:09:31] <hyc> yeah, kinda figured. I seem to recall that Turbo Pascal ran perfectly well in only 64K
  • [10:09:43] * mru used an 8086-based pc w/ 5" floppies as recently as 2001
  • [10:10:05] <mru> it was in charge of the automated test system in a place I worked that summer
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  • [10:10:19] <hyc> heh, my PC in 2001 had 5" floppy drive, but I don't remember the last time I actually used it
  • [10:10:25] <daniel_ki> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KC_85
  • [10:10:25] <mru> the test ended with an "error reading drive a:"
  • [10:10:32] <daniel_ki> it works
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  • [10:10:53] <daniel_ki> and I even have Ethernet and IP networking now
  • [10:10:55] <daniel_ki> :D
  • [10:11:13] <hyc> ooo....
  • [10:11:42] <hyc> after I got a TCP stack running on my Atari 800XL there wasn't much space left to do anything else
  • [10:12:12] <daniel_ki> http://www.kc85.susowa.homeftp.net/index.php/kcnet-75/z80tcpip-159.html
  • [10:12:21] <daniel_ki> we are a bit crazy :)
  • [10:13:16] <daniel_ki> the KC 85 solution uses the Wiznet module for the TCP/IP stack
  • [10:13:23] <koen> hyc: question about your omapfb patches: you disabled colour keying, is that for debugging only?
  • [10:13:56] <hyc> koen: probably. I don't recall disabling intentionally
  • [10:14:04] <hyc> which lines are you referring to?
  • [10:14:27] <koen> - vo_xv_draw_colorkey(drwX, drwY, vo_dwidth - 1, vo_dheight - 1);
  • [10:14:27] <koen> +/* vo_xv_draw_colorkey(drwX, drwY, vo_dwidth - 1, vo_dheight - 1); */
  • [10:14:55] <hyc> It didn't seem to me that this call was necessary
  • [10:15:18] <hyc> certainly the video displays correctly with or without it
  • [10:15:20] <recalcati_bb> koen: my colleague has found angstrom kernel inside htc diamond version of Android !
  • [10:16:05] <XorA> recalcati_bb: that is not much of a mystery
  • [10:16:39] <recalcati_bb> sorry, I'm trying to understan which mysteries is inside Android
  • [10:16:52] <hyc> koen: the window is already drawn in colorkey at init time
  • [10:17:05] <hyc> it didn't seem to need to be redrawn on every change event
  • [10:17:27] <recalcati_bb> because it can be usefull for mobile devices, but using it for industrial purpose I don't know
  • [10:17:36] <koen> hyc: I see
  • [10:17:37] <XorA> recalcati_bb: they use OE, no mystery at all, youll catch some of them on #oe regularly
  • [10:17:49] <recalcati_bb> XorA: thx
  • [10:18:30] <hyc> XorA: must be new, the 1.0 Android SDK doesn't look at all like OE
  • [10:18:47] <XorA> hyc: linux kernel is not android
  • [10:19:06] <koen> hyc: sadly your patches don't apply to the omapfb code in OE :(
  • [10:19:53] <hyc> koen: that is certainly a bummer. although I'm wondering now if patching in mplayer's vo_omapfb was the right thing to do at all.
  • [10:20:05] <hyc> probably it should all have been done in dss2 instead.
  • [10:20:08] <mru> hyc: what's the problem?
  • [10:20:41] <hyc> mru: the video driver did not support clipping for overlays
  • [10:21:07] <hyc> it would simply refuse to draw if the overlay coordinates went offscreen. the window would be left just showing the colorkey color.
  • [10:21:17] <mru> that's an xv driver bug
  • [10:21:20] <hyc> I patched mplayer and dss2 to fix that
  • [10:21:43] <mru> neither mplayer nor dss2 is the place to fix it
  • [10:22:13] * koen has cpufreq working on touchbook
  • [10:22:22] * mru needs to get a touchbook
  • [10:22:22] <XorA> \o/
  • [10:22:30] <hyc> koen: cool!
  • [10:22:35] <hyc> hmm, xv driver bug huh
  • [10:22:38] * XorA steals koens touchbook collection
  • [10:22:49] <hyc> meaning we have to fix something in the Xorg source tree? bleah.
  • [10:23:06] <mru> hyc: the xv driver for omapfb is rather simplistic
  • [10:23:07] <koen> mru: vo_omapfb isn't using XV, it's using your code from omapfbplay :)
  • [10:23:30] <mru> koen: well, someone said xv
  • [10:23:52] <mru> or I imagined it
  • [10:23:58] <hyc> looks that way ;)
  • [10:24:20] <hyc> anyway, this was a patch to mplayer vo_omapfb and a corresponding patch to dss2
  • [10:24:24] <mru> what does omapfbplay do?
  • [10:24:24] * mru doesn't remember
  • [10:24:43] <mru> why did it need patching in both places?
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  • [10:25:01] <hyc> koen: I suppose I should update my OE tree and see what's up. I'm using a snapshot from AI.
  • [10:25:17] <hyc> mru: well... it probably didn't.
  • [10:25:28] <koen> hyc: I'm slowly merging AI bits into the OE tree
  • [10:25:38] <Joe___> koen: cpufreq does not on BB & Angstrom, does it?
  • [10:25:42] <hyc> I started by patching vo_omapfb and finding that some cases were still broken.
  • [10:25:51] <hyc> so then I had to get into dss2 to find out why.
  • [10:26:01] <hyc> probably the entire fix could have been done in dss2.
  • [10:26:21] <Joe___> it has a hazy look kinda disabled
  • [10:26:48] <koen> Joe___: it does if you use the pm kernel
  • [10:27:14] <Joe___> pm kernel? what is the difference to Angstrom demo?
  • [10:27:52] <hyc> koen: will be nice to see all of that stuff get merged. don't want AI to stay on 2.6.29 forever...
  • [10:28:15] <Joe___> btw, it tried starting mplayer in the console to see what it says in case of some movies which are not played
  • [10:28:37] <Joe___> it said 640x480 is maximal resolution, kinda weird
  • [10:29:28] <Joe___> -vo omapfb did not help either
  • [10:30:58] <Joe___> i have a feeling my display is not recongized by Angstrom correctly. If I go to display setting I can see not infos at all
  • [10:31:09] <Joe___> I have a older Sony
  • [10:31:18] <Joe___> 15"
  • [10:32:23] <hyc> koen: which patch failed to apply? mplayer or kernel?
  • [10:32:43] <hyc> what git rev should I look at that you're working with?
  • [10:32:55] <koen> hyc: head
  • [10:33:01] <koen> hyc: I only have your mplayer patches
  • [10:33:20] <koen> hyc: btw, the openldap recipe in OE is an atrocity ;)
  • [10:33:32] <hyc> hmmm, I sent you two separate patches, one for mplayer and one for the kernel driver
  • [10:34:01] <hyc> ugh.... I haven't even looked at that. I always build OpenLDAP by hand.
  • [10:35:32] <koen> ah, omapfb_main.c is for the kernel
  • [10:35:37] <hyc> yes
  • [10:36:58] <hyc> drivers/video/omap2/omapfb/omapfb-main.c
  • [10:38:12] <hyc> and as I mentioned, I have no idea if it does anything remotely good for the non-VRFB case
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  • [10:47:50] <hyc> mru: xvinfo tells me no adapters present, so presumably Xv isn't even an option here
  • [10:48:10] <hyc> koen: hopefully that second patch is applying OK now ;)
  • [10:48:13] <mru> there is an xv driver
  • [10:48:20] <mru> but it's not very good yet
  • [10:48:36] <hyc> ok. so we'll stick with vo_omapfb for a while
  • [10:48:55] <mru> it'll be faster for sure
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  • [10:57:27] <koen> hyc: it was the vo_omapfb patch that was failing, since I updated it to work with a newer mplayer
  • [10:58:39] <hyc> hmm, that's the simplest patch. aside from the comments it's practically nothing.
  • [10:59:01] <hyc> I just did a git pull on my oe tree
  • [10:59:15] <hyc> vo_omapfb.c is still in mplayer/files right?
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  • [11:07:17] <leol> hello everyone..
  • [11:07:45] <leol> finally i build qt with opengl support and now i can run the deform demo on beagle..
  • [11:07:48] <_koen_> hyc: yes
  • [11:08:06] <hyc> koen: ok, I see one reject. will fix and send you a new patch
  • [11:08:13] <_koen_> thanks
  • [11:08:35] <leol> but i cannot run the hellogl_es2 demo, it display some error like QEglContext::defaultDisplay(): Cannot open EGL display
  • [11:08:35] <_koen_> hyc: the dmai patch is in OE now as well
  • [11:08:42] <hyc> ah great
  • [11:08:48] <leol> any idea?
  • [11:11:22] <_koen_> leol: I suspect you need to wait for 4.6 to become available, that should have fixes for gles2
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  • [11:16:41] <leol> koen:i follow this guide to build qt, i think qt i used is 4.6 version, but i use the 3.00.06 graphic sdk..maybe the old graphic sdk is the problem..
  • [11:17:33] <hyc> koen: new patch sent
  • [11:19:16] <leol> koen:so there's no special option to add when start that demo? i've seen another guide it said to ./hellogl_es -qws -display powervr but when i add the -diplay powervr still not working...
  • [11:20:08] <hyc> koen: oops. hmmm. looks like there are other differences in the mplayer files vs the AI version.
  • [11:20:13] <leol> http://tiexpressdsp.com/index.php/Building_Qt http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/06354a2c618365d6
  • [11:20:17] <hyc> let me diff this all again...
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  • [11:26:55] <hyc> _koen_: ok, new patch sent. this time for sure ;)
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  • [11:37:17] <tasslehoff> good day
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  • [11:43:10] <tomba> hyc: I didn't read the whole discussion, but I think DSS2 should not do any clipping of overlays. it should just refuse to use invalid values, as it does now.
  • [11:43:46] <hyc> tomba: ok
  • [11:44:07] <hyc> the patch I worked on does that, it leaves clipping up to the application
  • [11:44:22] <tomba> kernel drivers should be as simple as possible =)
  • [11:44:57] <hyc> but there were bugs in the driver, it didn't render the clipped windows correctly on 90 / 180 / 270 rotations
  • [11:45:38] <tomba> yeah, that could be. I don't think there's been much testing with rotations on non-fullscreen overlays
  • [11:45:57] <hyc> so I've fixed those
  • [11:46:58] <tomba> please send a patch, tomi.valkeinen@nokia.com
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  • [11:47:22] <hyc> I'll forward you the patches I just sent to koen
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  • [11:49:15] * koen notices mplayer synced with ffmpeg
  • [11:49:35] <hyc> woohoo, about time
  • [11:49:48] <hyc> tomba: sent
  • [11:55:52] <tasslehoff> I'm struggling a bit with overlay. I run normal mode, and set gfx-destination color-key-value to get some graphics elements displayed on top of my video. After playing a video, I set overlay0/enabled=1, overlay1/enabled=1, manager0/color_key_enabled=1 and get the effect I want, with the last frame of the video displayed below the graphics. When I start a video in mplayer (vo omapfb), "something" resets color_key_enabled to 0, and I see only
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  • [11:56:19] <tasslehoff> I haven't been able to get the effect I want with live video.
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  • [12:08:43] <Crofton|work> heh, we need a wiki page where we can collect links to all the beagle wiki pages
  • [12:09:06] <Crofton|work> then we need to go through the pages and fix what we can and leave notes saying this is hopeless on others
  • [12:09:52] <hyc> Crofton|work: ugh... we have that constant problem with OpenLDAP.org, all the thousands of outdated HOWTOs out there
  • [12:09:53] <tasslehoff> Crofton|work: I hope my problem is not going on a "this is hopeless" page :)
  • [12:10:13] <Crofton|work> heh
  • [12:10:22] <Crofton|work> not sure about your specific problem
  • [12:10:28] <Crofton|work> this is just a general issue
  • [12:10:52] <tasslehoff> Crofton|work: yep
  • [12:11:49] <hyc> koen: if you noticed a problem with my commenting out the draw_colorkey, then you should of course drop that change.
  • [12:12:33] <_koen_> hyc: will do, still compiling at the moment
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  • [12:33:50] <likewise> Start by choosing a single Wiki.
  • [12:34:13] <likewise> that is probably already unachievable.
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  • [12:36:15] * _koen_ still favours the auto-delete after inactivity option
  • [12:37:44] <XorA> keep the wiki in git :-) then we can blame people
  • [12:37:57] <_koen_> ikiwiki can do that
  • [12:38:35] <tasslehoff> no overlay wizards here?
  • [12:40:00] <hyc> tasslehoff: your first post was cut short, or you tried to type too much in one line
  • [12:40:07] * XorA now has the temptations to shout, ITS CHRISTMAS!!!
  • [12:40:08] <hyc> no idea what you're asking about
  • [12:40:17] <Crofton> likewise, exactly :)
  • [12:40:59] <XorA> it gets worse with omappedia chucked in the mix as well
  • [12:41:13] <Crofton> ok, when I test the PS I got from digikey, I can update the shopping list wiki with the not obsolete PN
  • [12:41:25] <tasslehoff> hyc: ah. I'll try again.
  • [12:41:38] <Crofton> that is why I am thinking we should collect links to wikis
  • [12:41:56] <Crofton> I wonder if there is some way we can collect links and have people rate them?
  • [12:41:57] <hyc> Crofton: that's still a pretty major burden
  • [12:42:02] <XorA> Crofton: add wiki discussion to OEDEM?
  • [12:42:49] <hyc> we don't have a good solution for this yet on openldap.org, but every once in a while we ask folks to merge their docs into our faq-o-matic.
  • [12:43:19] <Crofton> XorA, we do not have lots of OE related wikis, more of a distro problem
  • [12:43:32] <hyc> and we regularly denigrate any web docs we know are outdated but still showing up in google hits
  • [12:43:46] <Crofton> make that "problem" since I see lots of wikis as an expression of support
  • [12:43:48] <tasslehoff> 1. I run normal mode, and set gfx-destination color-key-value to get some graphics elements displayed on top of my video. After playing a video, I set overlay0/enabled=1, overlay1/enabled=1, manager0/color_key_enabled=1 and get the effect I want with the last frame of the video displayed below the graphics.
  • [12:44:00] <tasslehoff> 2. When I start a video in mplayer (vo omapfb), "something" resets color_key_enabled to 0, and I see only the video. When the video is done, "something" resets overlay1/enabled to 0.
  • [12:44:04] <tasslehoff> :)
  • [12:44:43] <XorA> Crofton: we keep that for the Angstrom pub meetup then :-)
  • [12:44:53] <hyc> mplayer / vo_omapfb is certainly tweaking overlays, since it uses one to display video in a window
  • [12:47:21] <tasslehoff> hyc: makes sense. can I avoid it by using another output, or maybe by playing my video using gstreamer? I run without an x-server btw.
  • [12:48:34] <Crofton> XorA, maybe we should have a distro review section for OEDEM
  • [12:49:06] <hyc> tasslehoff: no idea. there aren't a lot of choices for vo outputs that will work.
  • [12:49:20] <XorA> Crofton: sometimes I think the mention of Angstrom at OEDEM will cause a riot
  • [12:49:21] <hyc> I guess you could try SDL
  • [12:50:18] * likewise still needs a proxy for the OEeVGA
  • [12:50:36] <likewise> ^^^ any takers?
  • [12:50:56] <Crofton|work> I need to send mine to lrg
  • [12:51:12] <Crofton|work> I asked him before I found out he and XorA were going
  • [12:51:20] <XorA> likewise: WI am going
  • [12:51:44] <XorA> the slimnlogic block vote :-)
  • [12:52:58] <likewise> XorA: would be great, same background (small firm doing embedded linux) :-)
  • [12:53:24] <XorA> likewise: but anyway, I or LRG could proxy for you if wanted
  • [12:55:02] <likewise> XorA: Thanks, will consider this surely. Don't want to be kicked out of eV in due time :-)
  • [12:56:02] * av500 comes back from business lunch to find a backlog that will take the whole afternoon to read...
  • [12:56:35] <DJWillis> likewise: XorA: How many people are in the OEeV now?
  • [12:56:42] <Crofton|work> about 12
  • [12:56:57] <Crofton|work> we need to pass internet voting to expand membership :)
  • [12:57:23] <DJWillis> Crofton|work: ahhh, is the plan still to do that with the meetup?
  • [12:57:53] <XorA> DJWillis: there is an EGM in 3 weeks to fix the problem
  • [12:58:03] <XorA> DJWillis: after that you can join
  • [12:58:48] <DJWillis> XorA: answers that one ;-)
  • [13:01:48] <av500> hrw|gone: ping
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  • [13:03:34] <XorA> DJWillis: assuming someone doesnt do a despotic takeover anyway
  • [13:05:32] <DJWillis> XorA: don't jest, let???s be honest, this scene has its share of crackpots and history ;)
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  • [15:17:41] <jkridner|work> if i spell your name right, jac_, then it should be highlighted in your client.
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  • [16:06:31] <jkridner|work> sanjaac: ping
  • [16:06:36] <jkridner|work> wickedmind: ping
  • [16:06:55] <jkridner|work> where do I find those guys?
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  • [16:09:01] <mru> jkridner|work: don't worry, send the stuff me instead ;-)
  • [16:09:32] <av500> jkridner|work: I have a wicked mind!
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  • [16:11:02] <jkridner|work> someone must think that wickedmind is doing something valid, or he/she wouldn't have gotten votes, right?
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  • [16:52:28] <gt2> I am enabling HDMI on Zoom2. While loading Angstrom in the TV, I am getting output only in partial screen. I read through the BB google groups discussion and found to set video=omapfb:mode:720p60. It doesn't seem to work. Any hints??
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  • [16:53:38] <imhere> deon't know
  • [16:53:43] <koen|phone> that's for an old version of dss2
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  • [16:54:38] <koen|phone> omapfb.mode=dvi:1280x720MR-24@60
  • [16:54:57] <av500> and that u just typed on the iphone?
  • [16:55:52] <hyc> heh... who said he was on an iPhone?
  • [16:56:35] <koen|phone> av500: yes :)
  • [16:57:33] * av500 is impressed
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  • [16:57:58] <koen|phone> hyc: i'll coomit your mplayer stuff after dinner
  • [16:58:13] <av500> koen|phone: from iphone too please :-)
  • [16:58:24] <hyc> koen: cool. so, working fine?
  • [16:58:52] <koen|phone> yes
  • [16:59:38] <gt2> koen: omapfb.mode=dvi:1280x720MR-24@60 didn't work
  • [16:59:57] <gt2> I am using the LO TI sync kernel
  • [17:00:12] <koen|phone> i also 'ported' the webcam stream stream rendered on 3d spinning cube demo to touchbook
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  • [17:00:55] <av500> gt2: sync?
  • [17:01:02] <gt2> Also, how does the resolution get configured for different TVs (screen sizes)
  • [17:01:38] <gt2> its the LO kernel branch that TI is maintaining pulling in the changes for Zoom2
  • [17:01:40] <koen|phone> gt2: you'll have to look at the docs in the kernel source
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  • [17:03:23] <av500> gt2: is that the "early" DSS2 version or the latest DSS2?
  • [17:03:35] <av500> I know that TI pulled an early version some time ago into their tree....
  • [17:04:10] <koen|phone> with TI you mean catalog or wireless?
  • [17:05:08] <av500> koen|phone: hmm, good Q.
  • [17:05:42] <av500> might be PSP...
  • [17:05:52] <av500> but then, what dss is LO using?
  • [17:06:03] <gt2> wireless... DSS2
  • [17:06:08] <koen|phone> psp .31rc7 has latest dss2
  • [17:06:35] <av500> ok
  • [17:06:57] <av500> we stopped following psp kernels some time ago
  • [17:07:11] <koen|phone> that's running on my evm now
  • [17:09:00] <av500> ok
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  • [17:09:43] <av500> koen|phone: but OE has a zoom2 tgt, no?
  • [17:10:04] <av500> gt2: so why not use the OE kernel?
  • [17:10:16] <koen|phone> yes, using that sync kernel :)
  • [17:10:37] * av500 sighs
  • [17:10:42] <ReKlipz> Am I correct in my understanding that the OMAP3xxx USB boot is not "Boot from mass storage device MBR", and is something proprietary?
  • [17:10:51] <av500> yes
  • [17:11:00] <ReKlipz> bummer
  • [17:11:07] <av500> hey
  • [17:11:19] <ReKlipz> hi
  • [17:11:45] <av500> hey as in "whats so bad about it"
  • [17:13:30] <Joe___> hi everybody
  • [17:13:39] <av500> Hey Joe
  • [17:14:13] <Joe___> I found whre is the problem with my mplayer, but i need you help
  • [17:14:41] <Joe___> my display has a real resolution of 1024x768
  • [17:14:55] <Joe___> but mplayer thinks it is 640x480
  • [17:15:36] <Joe___> if i play a movie with 608 pix hor it take almost the whole display width
  • [17:16:03] <koen|phone> what does fbset say?
  • [17:16:10] <Joe___> the display is 305 mm wide, the mplayer window is 290 mm wide
  • [17:16:47] <ReKlipz> av500: nothing really, I just don't have an SD card on hand.
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  • [17:17:02] <Joe___> koen: geometry 640 480 so thats where it IS!
  • [17:17:19] <Joe___> how can I adjust it?
  • [17:17:30] <koen|phone> in uboot
  • [17:17:55] <Joe___> but still the real resolution under Angstrom checkd with gimp is 1024x768
  • [17:18:21] <koen|phone> someone with a real keyboard should show you :)
  • [17:18:36] <koen|phone> crappy iPhone
  • [17:18:49] <Joe___> I have a german keyboard with Us settings...
  • [17:19:52] <Joe___> ok, i see my keyboard is just half as strange
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  • [17:25:50] <Joe___> koen: somethinh like this? omapfb.mode=dvi:1280x1024MR-24@60
  • [17:26:13] <Joe___> 60 means Hz
  • [17:26:28] <Joe___> what is MR-24?
  • [17:26:36] <koen|phone> veda,
  • [17:26:40] <koen|phone> ugh
  • [17:26:43] <Joe___> i hope it wont kill my display
  • [17:27:04] <Joe___> i found it on the net
  • [17:27:14] <koen|phone> vesa, reduced blanking, 24 bit
  • [17:28:06] <Joe___> ok, this may work with my 15 inch sony
  • [17:28:29] <Joe___> omapfb.mode=dvi:1024x768MR-24@60
  • [17:28:56] <Joe___> gonna give it try, i hope i wont brick my BB again...
  • [17:29:10] <asteriskmonkey> anyone user the 557-1436-ND chips?
  • [17:29:52] <Joe___> still, it-s kinda strange because Angstrom sees correct resolution, I checked with gimp by creating a picture 640x480, it took half a screen
  • [17:29:59] <koen|phone> incidentally, 1024 is the default uboot should be passing, if you haven't done saveenv
  • [17:30:37] <Joe___> i did saveenv as far as I can recall
  • [17:30:45] <noeska> with the sgx driver tutorial only 2 tests are installed? I need to copy the other demos 'by hand'?
  • [17:30:58] <Joe___> fbset gives uboot setting back?
  • [17:31:28] <Joe___> as far as display resolution is concernd, correct?
  • [17:31:30] <koen|phone> fbset reads the settings from the fb
  • [17:31:57] <Joe___> while fb gets its setting from uboot, correct?
  • [17:32:15] <koen|phone> cat /proc/cmdline gives you what uboot passed
  • [17:32:54] <Joe___> that could be the answer why firefox display contents twice as big
  • [17:32:58] <koen|phone> if you get 640x480 it's the default from the kernel
  • [17:34:09] <Joe___> no display setting inside
  • [17:34:17] <sakoman> dirk2: ping
  • [17:34:26] <dirk2> sakoman: pong
  • [17:34:51] <koen|phone> sakoman: gnome 2.28 got released :)
  • [17:34:56] <sakoman> dirk2: I find that the current top of tree u-boot-ti hangs at boot on overo
  • [17:35:14] <Joe___> console, root, rw, rootwait
  • [17:35:17] <sakoman> koen|phone: that means my work just is beginning!
  • [17:35:29] <sakoman> dirk2: mmc init hangs
  • [17:35:36] * dirk2 builds uboot for overo and checks
  • [17:35:45] <Crofton|work> sakoman, if you get bored, can you bitbake erlang in the overo tree
  • [17:35:51] <Crofton|work> and tell me if it builds
  • [17:35:59] <dirk2> sakoman: Beagle is working, I checked today
  • [17:36:04] <sakoman> dirk2: I will try the rev just before your mmc related commit
  • [17:36:16] <koen|phone> Joe___: ask sakoman for the right nand erase incantation
  • [17:36:39] <sakoman> for beagle: nand erase 260000 20000
  • [17:36:48] <sakoman> (to wipe u-boot env)
  • [17:36:50] <Joe___> koen: this should mean I should have got 1024 as defaul what is not the case
  • [17:36:56] <koen|phone> sakoman: thanks
  • [17:37:12] <dirk2> sakoman: ah, sorry, you are talking about u-boot-ti. Tested mainline today on beagle. Ok, let me check
  • [17:37:24] <Joe___> koen, sakoman: thanks
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  • [17:37:32] <zub> Hi. if I want to boot right into bash, I'm used to doing init=/bin/bash on the PC. But on HW last I see on serial is Freeing init memory... Is there something I need to do to make that bash/sh talk on serial?
  • [17:37:43] * sakoman has no idea what erlang is
  • [17:37:59] <koen|phone> Joe___: if uboot passes nothing it will use vga, erase the nand to get better defaults
  • [17:38:27] <Joe___> koen: i understand is now, thanks
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  • [17:39:05] <Joe___> but after i erased it, should I input some option again?
  • [17:39:11] <koen|phone> sakoman: did an awesome job with the default env
  • [17:39:54] <sakoman> koen|phone: it's even better now -- little easier for using ubi
  • [17:40:08] <koen|phone> i noticed
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  • [17:40:48] <koen|phone> sakoman: Narcissus can generate ubi volumes nowadays :)
  • [17:41:00] * sakoman has no interest in submitting patches to u-boot upstream. watching the process is just to painfull
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  • [17:41:23] <Robin_Watts> Gents. If I want to scribble on the framebuffer, what's the best way? /dev/fb ? Can anyone point me to some example code please?
  • [17:41:42] <Robin_Watts> (using Angstrom demo on the beagleboard, sorry)
  • [17:42:42] <koen|phone> that reminds me, i should rfc the xload 'upstream'
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  • [17:43:59] * dirk2 finds that Beagle hangs, too
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  • [17:44:23] <dirk2> sakoman: About which U-Boot patches are you talking?
  • [17:45:05] <sakoman> dirk2: http://git.denx.de/?p=u-boot/u-boot-ti.git;a=commit;h=eb19df366587c887a406d1816fa7f7dca07f537d
  • [17:45:22] <sakoman> I was just suspicious because it has MMC in the patch name :-)
  • [17:45:32] <sakoman> and an earlier rev worked
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  • [17:45:50] <sakoman> so I am trying something prior to tha commit
  • [17:46:01] <av500> sakoman: http://highscalability.com/new-facebook-chat-feature-scales-70-million-users-using-erlang :-)
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  • [17:46:20] <av500> so Crofton|work seems to chat a lot....
  • [17:48:42] * sakoman still has no clue what erlang is even after reading that article ;-)
  • [17:49:20] <av500> its a functional languahe
  • [17:49:22] <av500> its a functional language
  • [17:49:31] <Joe___> sakoman> can you please confirm? for beagle: nand erase 260000 20000 to wipe u-boot env
  • [17:49:39] <av500> developped by ericson to drive telephone switches realiably
  • [17:49:59] <sakoman> Joe___: confirmed
  • [17:50:09] <Crofton|work> some friends of mine get excited by it
  • [17:50:12] <sakoman> av500: thanks!
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  • [17:50:30] <av500> it scales very well over many nodes and allow stuff like hot updating the code with the system never stopping
  • [17:50:35] * sakoman is too busy fighting u-boot to use google :-(
  • [17:50:38] <Joe___> sakoman: thnks, gonna try this now, buy (couse i on BB now)
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  • [17:50:53] <av500> sakoman: many ppl use beagle instead of google :-)
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  • [17:51:06] <av500> +#
  • [17:51:18] * sakoman is ashamed to now be one of them!
  • [17:51:31] <av500> sakoman: dont be
  • [17:51:54] <av500> your credit rating is high enough for that :-)
  • [17:52:12] * dirk2 thinks that sakoman is right and the mmc warning fix should be reverted. Unfortunately dirk2 has no idea what might be wrong with it.
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  • [17:52:49] <sakoman> dirk2: yeah, just tried a rev prior to that and I am back in business
  • [17:53:09] <Robin_Watts> Currently, I'm building binaries for the angstro on the beagle on windows using codesourcery compilers.
  • [17:53:31] <Crofton|work> Robin_Watts, that is confusing!
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  • [17:53:39] * dirk2 looks for someone familar with union stuff having an idea what might be wrong with http://lists.denx.de/pipermail/u-boot/2009-September/060598.html
  • [17:53:54] <sakoman> sigh, today is one of those days when to fix problem A, I run into problems B, C, and D all of which need to be fixed first :-(
  • [17:54:08] <koen> Robin_Watts: if you're building binaries for angstrom, you need to use a matching toolchain, not a CS one
  • [17:54:23] <koen> Robin_Watts: unless you like debugging obscure compiler related bugs
  • [17:54:30] <Crofton|work> unsigned char?
  • [17:54:39] <koen> sakoman: you're describing my current week....
  • [17:54:41] <Crofton|work> the union elements are different sizes
  • [17:54:59] <Robin_Watts> I thought that the codesourcery stuff *was* the correct compiler to build angstrom binaries ?
  • [17:55:06] <koen> Robin_Watts: hell no
  • [17:55:08] <Crofton|work> koen, or, he is smart in a mru kind of way ...
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  • [17:55:30] <Robin_Watts> Can you point me at the correct tools please?
  • [17:55:47] <Crofton|work> Robin_Watts, gcc that is in tmp/staging
  • [17:56:07] <Crofton|work> you could ask about the canadian cross support in #oe
  • [17:56:35] <Crofton|work> so you could generate a compiler that runs on windows, but that might be bleeding edge
  • [17:56:38] <Robin_Watts> tmp/stagin where ?
  • [17:56:53] <Crofton|work> how did yu get Angstrom?
  • [17:57:11] <Robin_Watts> I downloaded Angstrom_demo
  • [17:57:21] <dirk2> Crofton|work: About which line are you talking in http://pastebin.com/d1eec7671 ?
  • [17:57:23] <Robin_Watts> from angstrom_distribution.org
  • [17:57:34] <Robin_Watts> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/
  • [17:57:37] <Crofton|work> the union declaration
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  • [17:57:49] <dirk2> sakoman: btw.: Do you have any other U-Boot patch pending you like to get upstream?
  • [17:57:50] <Crofton|work> Robin_Watts, this is something we are not great at
  • [17:58:00] <Joe___> Joe is back on another PC
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  • [17:58:32] <Crofton|work> Robin_Watts, are you creating binaries that work successfully?
  • [17:58:38] <Robin_Watts> yes.
  • [17:58:45] <Robin_Watts> My theora decoder is running great.
  • [17:58:55] <Robin_Watts> I just need to make it output to the screen/audio :)
  • [17:58:56] <dirk2> Crofton|work: Which one? Line 11 or 107? Or both? I don't see it yet :(
  • [17:59:06] <Crofton|work> dirk2, I am not familiar with the code
  • [17:59:16] <Crofton|work> the first one
  • [17:59:22] <Crofton|work> just taking wild guesses
  • [17:59:31] <Joe___> koen, sakoman: i did printenv and i see "omapfb.mode=dvi:1024x768MR-24@60" so that's what it should be
  • [17:59:37] <dirk2> Crofton|work: Therefore I pasted it to http://pastebin.com/d1eec7671, this give us line numbers
  • [17:59:48] <Joe___> i did not erase anything yet
  • [18:00:11] <Crofton|work> Robin_Watts, if it works, you are OK, just be aware there are some things that can make you have "weird" problems
  • [18:00:38] <Robin_Watts> Right. But if I want to access the framebuffer I'll need to #include <linux/fb.h> or something like that.
  • [18:00:45] <Crofton|work> line 11
  • [18:00:48] <Joe___> it seems as if u-boot would pass correct default resolution
  • [18:00:50] <Robin_Watts> Where can I find such headers?
  • [18:01:02] <sakoman> dirk2: maybe this one: http://www.sakoman.net/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=openembedded.git;a=blob;f=recipes/u-boot/u-boot-omap3-git/rootfs.patch;h=655c04050007ea76d01abff43e2ce134b227f46e;hb=550887e6cc81ad619f0f4c6c6c68ce1906eb4137
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  • [18:02:05] <koen> Joe___: erase the env to be sure, that will give you a clean slate
  • [18:02:06] <sakoman> just a convenience thing if you want to easily change the rootfs partition or rootfs type
  • [18:02:06] <Crofton|work> alright must finish backing up laptop ...
  • [18:02:32] <Joe___> koen: will it still boot as per default?
  • [18:02:52] <Joe___> as i said i bricked it once and it was painful
  • [18:03:07] <sakoman> dirk2: and I guess that one really requires this one first: http://www.sakoman.net/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=openembedded.git;a=blob;f=recipes/u-boot/u-boot-omap3-git/dss2.patch;h=4dfc5d6b103b8ea9edd399660b359d79a41d9936;hb=550887e6cc81ad619f0f4c6c6c68ce1906eb4137
  • [18:03:16] <sakoman> that patch sets things up for dss2
  • [18:03:48] <hyc> dirk2: looks like mmc_resp_r3 and r6 should not be pointers in that union
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  • [18:05:17] <hyc> someone seems to have forgotten that C arrays are pointers.
  • [18:05:32] <koen> Joe___: yes it will
  • [18:06:04] <noeska> hmm once i have booted from sd card on bb and i copy addition files to it, it takes ages ... pff ...
  • [18:06:12] <dirk2> hyc: You can blame me for this ;)
  • [18:07:06] <Joe___> it does :)
  • [18:07:30] <Joe___> gonna check fbset now
  • [18:08:12] <asteriskmonkey> if i want to upgrade the momory on the baegle board i just pull of the nand chip and replace it right? no additional stuff involved?
  • [18:08:26] <sakoman> is anyone aware of existing code to read the UID in the Micron NAND?
  • [18:08:42] <hyc> dirk2: so the chunk from -235,8 +235,13 should have mmc_resp_r3 r3; mmc_resp_r6 r6;
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  • [18:09:16] <Joe___> koen: it still says mode "640x480-59"
  • [18:09:17] <hyc> and -272,24 +277,24 should use mmc_resp.r3.ocr
  • [18:09:41] <Joe___> but printenv after erase showed 1024x768
  • [18:09:50] <hyc> dirk2: and -318,22 +323,22 should have mmc_resp.r6.newplublishedrca;
  • [18:10:20] <Joe___> so 1024x768 is indeed a default of u-boot
  • [18:10:37] <hyc> and for the record, strict-aliasing rules suck...
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  • [18:12:41] <sakoman> Joe___: if your kernel is in 640x480 mode then I suspect something wrong with your kernel build
  • [18:12:48] <sakoman> pastebin your boot log
  • [18:13:35] <hyc> reminds me, the touchbook kernel's kernel log buffer is too small, the top is missing by the time you get to a command prompt
  • [18:13:38] <Joe___> me?
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  • [18:15:26] * dirk2 thanks hyc and tests the new version
  • [18:15:29] <Joe___> sakoman: Angstrom "see" the correct resolution though, only mplayer assumes 640x480
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  • [18:16:21] <Joe___> mplayer and both webbrowsers assume 640x480
  • [18:19:06] <Joe___> oh sorry, the resolution is indeed 640x480, i'm sorry
  • [18:19:41] <Joe___> it means kernel cannot switch my display to 1024x768
  • [18:20:03] <dirk2> sakoman: I will send both environment patches (merged?) to U-Boot list, then you can enjoy what happens. Since we have u-boot-ti I hope things will go better...
  • [18:20:28] <sakoman> dirk2: good luck! and thank you!
  • [18:21:07] <sakoman> dirk2: I have one other patch that is useful for having a single u-boot that works both with and without Tobi
  • [18:21:12] <Joe___> so it is either retarded kernel or incompatible display
  • [18:21:17] <sakoman> but it will never be accepted upstream
  • [18:21:29] <sakoman> Joe___: I suspect your kernel
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  • [18:22:49] <Joe___> sakoman: 2.6.28-omap1 #1 Tue Mar 24 18:57:27 CET 2009
  • [18:23:06] <sakoman> dirk2: it is this patch: http://www.sakoman.net/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=openembedded.git;a=blob;f=recipes/u-boot/u-boot-omap3-git/smsc911x.patch;h=0d71b75727904cb59c88d523794c1d2699127cb2;hb=5965063dcfc396b3ef2f0891b54f05cf8f1ea08e
  • [18:23:17] <Joe___> sakoman: from the Angstrom site
  • [18:23:20] <sakoman> Joe___: use a more recent kernel
  • [18:23:37] <dirk2> sakoman: Do you like to test http://pastebin.com/d66a90238 ?
  • [18:23:50] <Joe___> sakoman: so I just replace uImage with a new one, correct?
  • [18:24:11] <sakoman> dirk2: sure, but will have to be a bit later. have a meeting shortly
  • [18:24:39] <sakoman> Joe___: you will also need updated modules in the rootfs
  • [18:25:02] <Joe___> sakoman: hmmm let's see
  • [18:25:05] <sakoman> I'm not sure what procedures are for the Angstrom demo images since I don't use them
  • [18:25:19] <sakoman> There are many here who do, so I'm sure someone can help
  • [18:25:39] <Joe___> sure, you are SAKOMAN ;)
  • [18:26:06] <sakoman> dirk2: that last patch likely won't go upstream because it is in the main smc911x driver
  • [18:26:31] <sakoman> and it is hw dependent (empty bus reads as all ones on overo)
  • [18:27:09] <sakoman> if we could find a register in the smc911x that has a known, unchanging pattern we could do a more acceptable general patch
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  • [18:29:08] <Joe___> @all: any ideas how to install modules? http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/
  • [18:32:46] <Joe___> it looks as if I could untar them over angstrom fs
  • [18:35:20] <sakoman> Joe___: yes, that should work
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  • [18:36:24] <Joe___> sakoman: thanks, but still my Sony LCD should be old enough to be already "taken into account"
  • [18:37:07] <Joe___> by the kernel and modules
  • [18:37:28] <Joe___> if I look into display setting, i can see not infos at all
  • [18:37:47] <Joe___> it is a sign that my display is not recognized
  • [18:37:49] <sakoman> Joe___: the kernel has no clue what you have connected, it just sends out 1024x768
  • [18:38:07] <sakoman> it makes no attempt to talk to the connected display
  • [18:38:56] <Joe___> it is 640x480 indeed
  • [18:39:05] <Joe___> it's all weird
  • [18:39:50] <Joe___> now it is just as a windows Pc with wrong or no video driver, so it gets 640x480 only
  • [18:40:08] <Joe___> because VGA works always
  • [18:40:47] <Joe___> at work i have another LCD with DVI
  • [18:40:53] <Joe___> gonna test it
  • [18:41:29] <sakoman> It will be the same, because as I said above the kernel does not talk to the display
  • [18:41:50] <sakoman> I doesn't know or care what or whether you have anything connected
  • [18:41:54] <sakoman> It
  • [18:43:15] <dirk2> sakoman: Could you just give a nice description for the merged enviroment patches?
  • [18:43:17] <Joe___> ok, how can I make it kick my LCD to switch to higher resolutin
  • [18:43:38] <dirk2> sakoman: For subject I took [PATCH] OMAP3: Update Overo and Beagle enviroment
  • [18:45:02] <sakoman> Update default environment to support new dss2 subsystem and simplify rootfs type and location changes
  • [18:45:11] <sakoman> does that work?
  • [18:45:26] <dirk2> sakoman: Quite nice :)
  • [18:47:25] <Joe___> sakoman: with opkg?
  • [18:48:53] <Joe___> i wonder if dss update is on the angstrom feed
  • [18:49:37] <sakoman> Joe___: I'm going to have to let someone who actually uses the angstrom demo stuff help you, because I just don't know what is contained in the images you are using
  • [18:50:17] <Joe___> sakoman: I understand and appreciate
  • [18:50:55] <Joe___> at least i know now where to search
  • [18:51:25] <Joe___> it is all about display why mplayer could not play movies bigger than 640x480
  • [18:51:49] <Joe___> because it cannot scale them down
  • [18:56:19] <hyc> hardware scaling works fine with mplayer and vo_omapfb
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  • [19:09:54] <Joe___> hyc: still the problem presists
  • [19:10:34] <Joe___> mplayer says that resolution is too high (bigger than 640x480) and quits
  • [19:11:06] <Joe___> hyc: do you know Angstrom?
  • [19:12:00] <hyc> I use it on the TouchBook
  • [19:12:17] <hyc> and I now know the mplayer video code pretty well. but I don't know anything about the display hardware
  • [19:12:54] <Joe___> if i recall display resolution setting, it says: No refresh rates were reported by your X Display Server
  • [19:13:21] <Joe___> both "Resolution" and "Refresh" fields are empty
  • [19:13:59] <Joe___> so Angstrom (or kernel, or X11) think(s) it is a simple VGA with 640x480
  • [19:14:09] <Joe___> that's the problem
  • [19:14:59] <Joe___> then it goes forth saying: if your are running a nested X Display Server, then it is to be expected
  • [19:15:23] <Joe___> but it is too difficult to say if it is true or wrong
  • [19:15:36] <hyc> well, the only way I know to set the display resolution is with the bootargs
  • [19:16:16] <hyc> mine has omapfb.mode=dvi:1024x600MR-16@60
  • [19:18:48] <Joe___> mine has .... let's see
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  • [19:20:06] <Joe___> omapfb.mode = dvi:$(dvimode) whereas dvimode=1024x768MR-16@60
  • [19:20:59] <Joe___> should i try another dvimode setting?
  • [19:21:11] <hyc> what are the actual specs of your LCD panel?
  • [19:21:57] <Joe___> i "suppose" 1024x768 because it is a better Sony LCD, even if it is an older one
  • [19:22:33] <Joe___> Sony SDM-X52
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  • [19:23:20] <hyc> I'm not going to look that up, that's for you to research
  • [19:24:33] <Joe___> yes, that's true
  • [19:24:47] <Joe___> 1024x768 with up to 75 HZ
  • [19:25:07] <Joe___> can this be a problem: wrong frame freq?
  • [19:25:29] <koen> cat /proc/cmdline and see what's passed to the kernel
  • [19:26:13] <Joe___> ok, wait a bit, booting up
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  • [19:26:32] <Joe___> I did erase env so now it is all default
  • [19:28:03] <noeska> yes ... i had chameleonman running ... impressive ... :-)
  • [19:29:35] <Joe___> ok, omapfb.mode=1024x768MR-16@60
  • [19:29:44] <Joe___> and many other things
  • [19:29:58] <koen> with or without dvi: ?
  • [19:30:05] <koen> Joe___: which uboot version do you have?
  • [19:30:31] <Joe___> sorry, WITH dvi
  • [19:30:40] <Joe___> so it is dvi:1024.... etc
  • [19:30:49] <koen> ok, so that's finally correct
  • [19:31:01] <koen> you're running 2.6.29?
  • [19:31:55] <Joe___> no 2.6.28
  • [19:32:11] <koen> ah, that would be a problem
  • [19:32:24] <Joe___> U-boot 2009.06-rc2 (Jun05 2009)
  • [19:32:38] <koen> you really want to use 2.6.29
  • [19:32:49] <koen> since that's the most functional kernel there is
  • [19:32:52] <Joe___> really?
  • [19:33:02] <koen> yes
  • [19:33:30] <Joe___> ok, so I just overwrite the old u-boot on SD card, dont I?
  • [19:33:42] <koen> no, uImage
  • [19:33:46] <koen> your uboot is fine
  • [19:34:04] <Joe___> now going to Angstrom demo
  • [19:34:17] <Joe___> ok, uImage only
  • [19:34:53] <Joe___> this one? uImage-2.6.29-r44-beagleboard.bin then rename to uImage.bin?
  • [19:35:13] <noeska> without the .bin?
  • [19:35:19] <koen> to uImage, I don't thing uboot looks for .bin nowadays
  • [19:35:24] <hyc> should just be installed as "uImage"
  • [19:35:38] <koen> and extract matching modules.tgz to the rootfs
  • [19:35:58] <Joe___> ok
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  • [19:54:48] <koen> note to self: when killing a screen don't do 'killall screen', since that will kill all screens
  • [19:55:38] <muriani> yeeah
  • [19:56:46] <koen> and also check if you're root when doing that
  • [19:57:54] <hyc> mmm, bummer...
  • [19:58:22] <koen> sgx and dsp working on touchbook with a clean OE build
  • [19:58:28] <koen> enough milestones reached today
  • [20:00:11] * koen notices the apparent fs corruption on is buildbox coincides with scary ata errors in dmesg
  • [20:01:30] <mru> get new HD, MB, cables, or all of the above
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  • [20:03:44] * sakoman feels koen's pain
  • [20:04:07] <sakoman> I'm building a new machine after loosing a hard drive on one of my older boxes
  • [20:04:10] <hyc> btw koen, is that a 2.6.31 kernel now?
  • [20:07:04] <koen> hyc: not yet
  • [20:07:30] <hyc> oh, so which version?
  • [20:07:37] <koen> 2.6.29
  • [20:07:58] <koen> using the AI patches in the wiki, so probably a bit outdated
  • [20:08:09] <koen> but with added PM patches for things like cpufreq
  • [20:08:12] <hyc> yeah, very likely
  • [20:08:14] <hyc> cool
  • [20:08:30] <koen> recipes/linux/linux-omap-pm_2.6.29.bb in OE
  • [20:08:32] <hyc> I recall trying to build a PM kernel
  • [20:09:02] <hyc> had problems because I didn't rebuild my wifi and sgx modules
  • [20:09:34] <koen> thanks to MACHINE_KERNEL_PR OE will rebuild them for you since it noticed the kernel has changed
  • [20:09:55] <hyc> ah
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  • [20:11:47] * koen got annoyed with module mismatches a few weeks ago and worked around it with MACHINE_KERNEL_PR
  • [20:12:12] <hyc> nice
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  • [20:14:53] <koen> anyway, I'm meeting Gregoire in october to work on merging more AI bits into OE
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  • [20:47:57] <Joe____> hi all
  • [20:48:26] <Joe____> did evetzone experience server problems?
  • [20:48:39] <Joe____> everyone
  • [20:49:14] <Joe____> i would like to thank koen and hyc for their help
  • [20:49:52] <Joe____> with the newest kernel version I have 1024x768 display resolution BUT
  • [20:50:13] <Joe____> FAT drives mounted no more
  • [20:50:30] <hyc> you're probably just missing the vfat kernel module
  • [20:51:08] <Joe____> maybe, gonna untar newest modules as well
  • [20:51:24] <Joe____> i did NOT have to do it before, never
  • [20:52:02] <Joe____> how can i check if this module is installed now?
  • [20:52:56] <Crofton|work> http://mechomaniac.com/node/32
  • [20:53:03] <Crofton|work> people do the coolest stuff!
  • [20:53:18] <Joe____> still I see which FAT drive is connected with label and correct size, but they cannot be mounted
  • [20:54:50] <Joe____> Crofton: thats cool :)
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  • [21:13:43] <Joe____> how can i untar tgz file?
  • [21:14:06] <Joe____> tar itself does not want to
  • [21:14:17] <mru> tar xzf foo.tgz
  • [21:15:17] <Joe____> thanks, where can i read what all those one-letter options mean?
  • [21:16:48] <sakoman> tar --help
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  • [21:18:04] <TurkSA> quick question
  • [21:18:18] <mru> long answer
  • [21:18:21] <TurkSA> i havent played with 3d accelerator on the beagle much yet
  • [21:18:26] <TurkSA> drivers called sgx hey?
  • [21:18:35] <TurkSA> anyway, can I run quake3 on angstrom as of yet
  • [21:18:41] <TurkSA> have a demo of the platform tomo
  • [21:18:58] <TurkSA> fine
  • [21:19:04] <TurkSA> long question, qucik answer ;)
  • [21:19:19] <mru> quake3 does run on the beagle
  • [21:19:23] <mru> can't say about angstrom
  • [21:19:29] <mru> koen: ^^
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  • [21:20:48] <TurkSA> i saw it in the angstrom repo... welll, ioquake3 is there
  • [21:21:33] <mru> try and see...
  • [21:22:21] <TurkSA> will do
  • [21:22:37] <TurkSA> trying to dig out my quake3 cd for the pk3 files
  • [21:22:58] <TurkSA> just looking for some confirmation before all the effort :)
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  • [21:24:05] <Joe____> ext3 with fs seems to be write protected grrrrrrr
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  • [21:24:12] <Joe____> i hate linux
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  • [21:26:03] <Joe____> Permissions: -rw-rw-rw BUT writable: NO
  • [21:26:42] <Joe____> securuty paranoid?
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  • [21:30:17] <adj> the whole filesystem is in read-only state?
  • [21:31:14] <Joe____> i dont know and this cannot be
  • [21:31:25] <Joe____> anyway i cannot untar...
  • [21:31:44] <Crofton|work> hmm
  • [21:31:58] <Joe____> as su
  • [21:32:05] <Crofton|work> I am remembering something about the mount optinos passed to the kernel
  • [21:32:53] <Joe____> i try tar xzf /media/sda1/modules.tgz -C /media/sda2
  • [21:33:13] <Joe____> i am in Knoppix now
  • [21:34:00] <Joe____> both partitions on sd card are declared writabl;e: no
  • [21:35:25] <adj> sd card write protect switch?
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  • [21:38:32] <muriani> I couldn't get quake3 going
  • [21:38:42] <muriani> but I think that was more due to the angstrom image I had
  • [21:38:54] <muriani> I wonder if narcissus is updated
  • [21:39:02] <muriani> or maybe I was just using an old version
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  • [21:41:53] <TurkSA> OpenGL doesnt work on angstrom?
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  • [21:43:06] <KadirB> hi , is there any usb TV card compatible with beagleboard ?
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  • [21:46:10] <Joe____> how can i tell tar to overwrite existing files
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  • [21:49:43] <KadirB> tar xvf
  • [21:49:45] <KadirB> i think
  • [21:49:59] <mru> tar overwrites by default
  • [21:50:06] <mru> -k to not overwrite
  • [21:50:23] <Joe____> not i this case
  • [21:50:50] <Joe____> the error message is cannot open file already exists
  • [21:50:51] <KadirB> is there any usb TV card compatible with beagleboard ?
  • [21:50:57] <KadirB> i ve bought avermedia tv lite but it sucked cos it only supports x64 / x86 linux ....
  • [21:51:16] <KadirB> can someone tell me any usb tv card that supports linux arm ? beagleboard...
  • [21:51:30] <TurkSA> hmmm..
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  • [21:51:50] <TurkSA> cant seem to get openGl to initialize
  • [21:52:05] <TurkSA> does anyone know if i can get ioquake3 to run in angstrom
  • [21:52:10] <TurkSA> or is it a dead end
  • [21:54:43] <TurkSA> I presume its somehow possible, I now see its offered on koen's image builder
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  • [22:03:06] <Joe____> it seems i could solve my problem by mounting partitions explicitly
  • [22:03:38] <Joe____> will be back soon
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  • [22:06:49] <mtc> hi - I was wondering about the slides from the beagleboard presentation at the ESC Show on Tuesday
  • [22:07:13] <mtc> am looking for the slides for the Gstreamer talk on beagleboard.org/esc
  • [22:07:38] <mtc> the link has been giving an error since the talk
  • [22:08:13] <mtc> there were some useful commands mentioned at the talk that I was hoping to review
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  • [22:11:09] <Joe___> modules are updated but still FAT drives cannot be mounted
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  • [22:14:15] <Joe___> on terminal it says FAT: invalid media value (0xb9)
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  • [22:14:40] <Joe___> VFS: cannot find valid FAT filesystem on dev sda
  • [22:15:08] <Joe___> FAT: IO charset iso8859-1 not found
  • [22:16:19] <Joe___> in the same time the size displayed is correct
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  • [22:21:58] <Joe___> oops, the problem is well known!
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