• [00:00:05] <legion`> using the dsp functions instead of c math that is
  • [00:00:16] <mru> the c64x is a cracking dsp, but it programming it has its quirks
  • [00:00:33] <legion`> doing simple things like filters i think the most advanced thing we will do is an adaptive filter
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  • [00:01:04] <mru> if you want something with dsp feel to it, but that's simpler to use, maybe a blackfin could be an option
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  • [00:01:26] <legion`> yeah thats probably what were going to end up using from the sound of it
  • [00:01:38] <legion`> well thats all i needed thanks
  • [00:01:40] <legion`> :)
  • [00:01:50] <mru> it's not nearly as powerful, but it's much easier to use
  • [00:01:56] <legion`> i still want to play with one of these one day..
  • [00:01:56] <mru> you can just compile apps and run them
  • [00:01:57] <ds2> the other TI boards might be cheaper
  • [00:02:05] <ds2> the Piccolo and friends stuff
  • [00:02:44] <legion`> he doesnt like TI stuff unfortunately... i think its because they werent as open in the past
  • [00:03:09] <mru> TI dsps tend to be paired with an arm for system control
  • [00:03:17] <legion`> not that analog devices is any better but its simpler from what ive heard
  • [00:03:20] <mru> or if not, they're *really* hard to use as toys
  • [00:03:23] <ds2> mru: only in the high end stuff
  • [00:03:38] <mru> ds2: you won't be running linux on a low-end TI dsp...
  • [00:03:55] <ds2> oh didn't notice he said Linux was a requirement
  • [00:03:59] <mru> he didn't
  • [00:04:07] <mru> but it does make life much easier
  • [00:04:17] <ds2> depends on what you want to do
  • [00:04:19] <legion`> its not i just was thinking it would be easier to have the operating system and the dsp be on the same device
  • [00:04:33] <mru> if you want to spend half the course getting your jtag setup working, sure...
  • [00:04:48] <ds2> learning how to take input from a McBSP in I-Q format and sending that through the DSP to do something "interesting" can be quite a task
  • [00:05:51] <mru> that's why I suggested blackfin as an option
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  • [00:06:05] <mru> it runs linux, so all the hard work has been done
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  • [00:06:31] <mru> a simple blackfin board shouldn't be too expensive either
  • [00:06:38] <mru> I don't know what they cost
  • [00:06:50] * mru doesn't pay for dev boards
  • [00:07:15] <legion`> has anyone wrote a simple interface between the audio in and audio out port to allow you to play with real time dsp
  • [00:07:32] <mru> there are alsa drivers for linux
  • [00:07:47] <legion`> would you just use pipes??
  • [00:07:53] <mru> you could
  • [00:08:01] <mru> arecord | dsp | aplay
  • [00:08:18] <mru> latency might not be the best though
  • [00:08:38] <legion`> academics dont care about performance hehe
  • [00:09:12] <mru> beagle is interesting because you have neon available too
  • [00:09:29] <mru> it's quite ok for many dsp tasks
  • [00:10:24] <legion`> i wish someone had a youtube video of doing a very simple dsp demo like a real time audio filter
  • [00:10:57] <legion`> ive looked for examples etc for a few hours
  • [00:11:29] <legion`> its all super advanced demos (SDR, real time video transform, etc)
  • [00:12:30] <legion`> which is impressive... but not helpful for educational setups
  • [00:13:23] <legion`> oh i forgot to mention
  • [00:13:38] <legion`> videos about decoding mpeg4 super fast (cool too)
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  • [00:18:00] <mru> no complicated dsp stuff there though
  • [00:18:14] <mru> audio codecs are much more interesting from a signal processing point of view
  • [00:22:48] <ds2> I can even refine what you asking for ... a simple DSP demo that emulates a FIR filter, prehaps with the number of taps and each tap's coeeficient as #defines in a header somewhere
  • [00:24:06] <ds2> something that one can use the audio in and out with a tone generator and a scope to make a bode plot
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  • [00:33:05] <bobkatzz> diplodocus!
  • [00:33:32] <djlewis> word-o-the-day?
  • [00:33:53] <bobkatzz> yep - duck comes down and hands you $100 B^)
  • [00:34:12] <bobkatzz> now that dates me waaaay back!! :P
  • [00:34:30] <djlewis> hm
  • [00:34:47] <bobkatzz> who's show was it?
  • [00:35:27] <djlewis> no bells are ringing here..
  • [00:35:28] <bobkatzz> 5 pts and what was the name? - 10pts
  • [00:36:05] <bobkatzz> anyone?
  • [00:36:16] <bobkatzz> tick tick tick
  • [00:36:20] <bobkatzz> Groucho Marx - You Bet Your Life!!
  • [00:36:34] <bobkatzz> 50's - 60's TV
  • [00:36:50] <mru> sorry, too young
  • [00:37:23] <djlewis> we didnt have a tv till 60's
  • [00:37:23] <bobkatzz> always made offcolor comments to (or about) his female constestants hehe
  • [00:37:41] <djlewis> a show I am sure wifey loves ;)
  • [00:37:43] <bobkatzz> he's be put in jail these days :(
  • [00:38:56] <bobkatzz> mine? she's from Lebanon - they had a lot of American TV (whirlybirds, Sky King, Combat, Man From Uncle etc.) but not that
  • [00:39:58] <bobkatzz> I bet you all have not even heard of those right?
  • [00:40:09] <bobkatzz> maybe Man form
  • [00:40:11] <bobkatzz> from
  • [00:40:36] <bobkatzz> they're recycling those actors now hehe
  • [00:41:12] <bobkatzz> ok much off topic - sorry! :P
  • [00:41:30] <bobkatzz> not much else going on though
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  • [01:04:53] <djlewis> lemay: ping
  • [01:11:44] <jkridner|work> prpplague: pong
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  • [01:28:43] <prpplague_afk> jkridner|work: sorry buddy was out for awhile
  • [01:28:50] * prpplague_afk is now known as prpplague
  • [01:31:50] <jkridner|work> what did you need?
  • [01:34:12] <prpplague> jkridner|work: just wanted to let you know that your zippy's are shipping tomorrow
  • [01:34:18] <prpplague> jkridner|work: should have them on friday
  • [01:35:12] <prpplague> jkridner|work: the SLS's for the doghouse won't be here until friday, so i doubt we'd be able to ship you one
  • [01:35:17] <jkridner|work> cool.
  • [01:35:26] <jkridner|work> oh well.
  • [01:35:55] <prpplague> jkridner|work: see /msg
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  • [01:44:07] <legion`> yes ds2 something like that would really get the university kids forming a beagle board bandwagon like they have for the arduino
  • [01:47:45] <prpplague> legion`: why not both, the breeder expansion board for the beagle will have an atmega168 onboard
  • [01:48:30] <legion`> i dont know what that is ill look it up
  • [01:50:00] <prpplague> legion`: not much info posted as of yet, basically a expansion board for the beagle that has level translators for the spi and i2c as well as a atmega168 that can run arduino based configuration
  • [01:50:26] <legion`> is this from ti or a 3rd party
  • [01:50:57] <prpplague> 3rd party, TinCanTools
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  • [03:59:31] <lemay> pong djlewis
  • [03:59:50] <djlewis> too late lemay: time for bed...
  • [04:00:00] <lemay> alas!
  • [04:00:25] <djlewis> I wonder what the outcome of nand reset is?
  • [04:01:28] <djlewis> lemay: so how the heck are ya?
  • [04:01:55] <lemay> doing decent
  • [04:02:08] <djlewis> good deal :)
  • [04:02:24] <lemay> not a lot to report beagle-wise
  • [04:02:51] <djlewis> me either. been surfing through tons of TI pub's on omap
  • [04:04:00] <lemay> learn anything good?
  • [04:04:57] <djlewis> lots.. on the subject of nand reset, I gave up on it doing anything and pressed the reset and it seems ok.
  • [04:05:32] <lemay> I don't really know what that is
  • [04:05:41] <djlewis> I learned I wanted gpio 120 - 129 to use. but cant find them.
  • [04:05:58] <lemay> it makes me think of zeroizing some kind of start up memory or something
  • [04:06:13] <lemay> what do you mean by you cant find them?
  • [04:06:22] <djlewis> yep, ya'd think it might flush the pot, so to speak.
  • [04:06:42] <djlewis> they dont seem to make it to a usable heager.
  • [04:06:45] <djlewis> header
  • [04:06:45] <lemay> like in software or the physical pins?
  • [04:06:53] <djlewis> physical
  • [04:07:10] <lemay> hmmm
  • [04:07:33] <lemay> lol, I thought you meant header file
  • [04:07:41] <lemay> that was confusing
  • [04:08:11] <lemay> 10 gpio that go ... nowhere?
  • [04:08:16] <djlewis> oh, i suppose it could go either way.
  • [04:08:42] <lemay> I dont know off hand where the beagle circuit board schematics are
  • [04:08:48] <djlewis> tehy are either not brought out or are dedicated.
  • [04:08:55] <djlewis> I have the BBSRM opemn
  • [04:09:17] <lemay> errr - do you know if those signals have physical pins on the omap?
  • [04:12:12] <lemay> kind of looks like the answer is no, just from browsing the bbsrm_latest.pdf
  • [04:12:18] <djlewis> brb
  • [04:15:17] <djlewis> back
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  • [04:22:11] <djlewis> lemay: well, if they aren't used by the SD card then perhaps they could be nabbed from the MMC... :(
  • [04:23:01] <djlewis> oh well, just a thought
  • [04:23:06] <lemay> in which documents are you reading about them?
  • [04:23:22] <djlewis> only cause they can I/O either 1.8 or 3.3 vDC
  • [04:23:48] <djlewis> BBSRM, latest
  • [04:26:28] <lemay> which page?
  • [04:26:34] <djlewis> most of the omap pins are multi purpose. These are the only ones that will work at 3.3vDC thru some poking tricks.
  • [04:26:42] <djlewis> 171?
  • [04:28:34] <djlewis> if one can get independent ctrl of them without effecting the SD then upper 4 are available
  • [04:29:31] <djlewis> this bbsrm is for the revC3
  • [04:30:05] <lemay> mine too :)
  • [04:31:07] <lemay> I am looking at the schematic, but I havent found any PGIO on that page other than 29
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  • [04:32:14] <djlewis> they leave the omap from gpio 120 - 129 andas mmc1_Data_x thfru mmc1_data_x+1
  • [04:32:24] <djlewis> and arrive
  • [04:33:08] <djlewis> so they are MMC1_DATA0 - 1 on page 171
  • [04:33:14] <djlewis> 0 - 7
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  • [04:35:57] <djlewis> page 165 top left on the omap as the MMC1 pins gpio in blue
  • [04:36:55] <djlewis> lemay: so how did I get yo interested in them?
  • [04:38:18] <lemay> eh, I dont know. I'm an EE and I like circuit diagrams
  • [04:38:40] <lemay> but it looks to me like theyre not what you said they were!
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  • [04:39:24] <lemay> looking at page 166, they look like theyre hooked up to the usb port
  • [04:40:07] <djlewis> thats mmc2
  • [04:41:01] <lemay> and now I see what youre seeing on page 165
  • [04:42:38] <lemay> thats actually pretty confusing
  • [04:43:45] <djlewis> I see what you are saying.
  • [04:45:02] <djlewis> they have a different prefix on pge 166
  • [04:45:17] <lemay> those signals have different pins on different pages! I wonder if theyre configurable through software
  • [04:45:18] <djlewis> had to zoom to 400x to read them
  • [04:45:24] <lemay> yea
  • [04:46:35] <djlewis> yep, the letter and digits on the outside of the chip on the lines are pad or ball numbers.
  • [04:47:42] <djlewis> AHH! my neck, I finally found the rotate page option.
  • [04:47:47] <lemay> haha
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  • [04:48:02] <lemay> im going to see if I can import these orcad files into altium
  • [04:48:07] <lemay> and then use them for evil!
  • [04:48:17] <djlewis> hehee...
  • [04:48:44] <djlewis> taU speaking of the ckt bd prints?
  • [04:49:37] <lemay> yea
  • [04:50:00] <djlewis> it would be less expensive to just buy beagles.
  • [04:50:01] <lemay> just cause the pdfs are kind of painful to read
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  • [04:50:21] <lemay> evil beagles?
  • [04:50:36] <djlewis> yep, they shouldnt be so fuzzy at 400
  • [04:52:12] <djlewis> heck, they are fuzzy at all sizes
  • [04:52:12] <djlewis> the document is sharp but the components are fuzzy.
  • [04:52:36] <lemay> fuzz-ponents
  • [04:53:00] <djlewis> fuzzy logic
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  • [04:53:47] <djlewis> this bbsrm has a lot of info in it. a newbie "must read"
  • [04:54:23] <lemay> that actually worked
  • [04:54:39] <djlewis> I tried the board tests in nand. LED's worked but the DVI did not.
  • [04:54:43] <lemay> I got the schematics into altium. Now, uh, ... profit?
  • [04:54:47] <djlewis> ESID does
  • [04:55:05] <djlewis> I thought you were thinking build em.
  • [04:55:12] <djlewis> ESSID
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  • [04:55:31] <lemay> that might be step 3
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  • [04:55:51] <djlewis> slightly reconfigured, I'd expect
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  • [04:56:14] <lemay> nah, I just wanted to be able to read them
  • [04:56:40] <djlewis> did it improve?
  • [04:56:41] <RobertBerger> morning
  • [04:56:52] <djlewis> hi RobertBerger
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  • [04:58:43] <lemay> hi Robert
  • [04:58:51] <lemay> yea, it did
  • [04:59:00] <djlewis> hmmm
  • [05:00:24] <lemay> so according to the TI omap3530 documentation, gpio 120-129 is the same as whats on page 165
  • [05:00:40] <lemay> N28, M27, etc
  • [05:00:45] <djlewis> yep
  • [05:01:14] <djlewis> http://tiexpressdsp.com/index.php/Additional_Configuration_for_GPIO120-129_on_OMAP35x
  • [05:01:35] <lemay> I was looking at document SPRS507D
  • [05:02:02] <djlewis> I found this section in handy book form.
  • [05:02:57] <djlewis> that funky number system for docs has gotta be the worse.
  • [05:03:25] <djlewis> what does SPRS507D mean in human terms?
  • [05:05:46] <djlewis> I have to rename all the TI dnld's I get to something like its TITLE!
  • [05:08:08] <lemay> yea, I did too
  • [05:08:23] <lemay> but that little code is still there in the corner of every page
  • [05:08:57] <lemay> so, out of curiosity, do you know what package omap3530 is on the BB?
  • [05:09:01] <djlewis> so here, if you click on main and omap35x you find a sweet table of contents.
  • [05:09:16] <djlewis> like phy chip package?
  • [05:09:25] <lemay> yes
  • [05:09:35] <djlewis> not off hand
  • [05:10:27] <djlewis> isnt it in the BBSRM?
  • [05:10:35] <lemay> probably
  • [05:11:10] <djlewis> i've seen it but no recall.
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  • [05:12:30] <djlewis> ooh, a twin!
  • [05:12:59] <lemay_> lol
  • [05:14:01] <djlewis> I got to reading about gtk then got interested in dsp then got lost in the misc.
  • [05:14:08] <djlewis> that's my evening.
  • [05:14:45] <lemay_> sounds good to me :)
  • [05:14:59] <lemay_> I'm having issues with gtk though
  • [05:15:06] <djlewis> its been fun though. How so?
  • [05:15:45] <lemay_> I try to turn on and off individual pixels, but it gets fuzzed around in the translation from gtk to screen output
  • [05:16:05] <djlewis> oh, i havent been there yet.
  • [05:16:33] <djlewis> thats in your conversion from source to display?
  • [05:17:24] <lemay_> well, uh. I create a pixmap the same size as my screen, and turn the pixels that I want on, and when I draw it, theres some bleeding into other pixels
  • [05:17:53] <djlewis> Oh, that should bs straight forward.
  • [05:18:01] <lemay_> so instead of a clean bright line across, I get two half as bright lines across on consecutive pixels, for example
  • [05:18:05] <lemay_> you would think!
  • [05:18:17] <djlewis> kinda like anti-aliasing?
  • [05:18:19] <lemay_> but theres some mojo abstraction going on
  • [05:18:21] <lemay_> exactly!
  • [05:18:32] <lemay_> thus my interest in sgx
  • [05:18:48] <lemay_> that should be able to give really good low level control over pixels
  • [05:19:07] <lemay_> but that stuff is like trying to make friends with a swarm of mosquitos
  • [05:19:21] <djlewis> go right to the mem address of the little boogers ;)
  • [05:19:42] <lemay_> if I had even the faintest idea how to do that I would
  • [05:20:35] <lemay_> anyways! I think that those pins youre looking at are configurable through software
  • [05:21:04] <djlewis> and if so, 4 may be enough.
  • [05:21:05] <lemay_> I also think that if they are being used for something important, like mmc or usb, you should leave them alone and find some more accessible pins
  • [05:21:23] <djlewis> oh, there yo go pulling a switcheroo
  • [05:21:25] <lemay_> and build a daughter board to handle voltage level translations
  • [05:21:36] <djlewis> I'm too lazy
  • [05:21:45] <lemay_> that is so much easier though!
  • [05:21:59] <lemay_> assuming that there are some available gpio pins
  • [05:22:06] <lemay_> which I dont know if its true or not :P
  • [05:22:12] <djlewis> I'll have to buy a new prescription of glasses.
  • [05:22:34] <lemay_> or drop a couple of grand on pcb design software
  • [05:22:56] <lemay_> actually, there may be some open source software that can import orcad ... maybe?
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  • [05:23:30] <djlewis> I've only used ExpressPCB
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  • [05:29:45] <tasslehoff> I'm trying to boot up the Angstrom demo image for the first time, but it stops with a console error about "hwclock: can't open '/dev/misc/rtc'".
  • [05:29:47] <Animule> expresspcb/expresssch aren't bad
  • [05:29:57] <Animule> and free is a very good price :)
  • [05:30:23] <djlewis> hi Animule
  • [05:31:52] <Animule> hi djlewis
  • [05:34:51] <djlewis> lemay_: I just built a simple drawing prog and it does pixels right.
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  • [05:38:04] <djlewis> time to hit the sack guys... gn
  • [05:38:16] <lemay_> nn djlewis
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  • [05:55:11] <tasslehoff> actually I think this is why it doesn't boot: FATAL: could not open /lib/modules/2.6.29-oer44.1/modules.dep.temp for writing: No such file or directory
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  • [06:19:15] <tasslehoff> playing with android in the meantime. anyone know how I can start a shell??+
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  • [06:52:37] <maelcum> which cool things can one do with android on beagle?
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  • [06:57:17] <Animule> you can SURF THE WEB!
  • [06:57:21] <Animule> and GET EMAIL!!
  • [06:57:42] <maelcum> i'm floored
  • [06:58:11] <maelcum> more seriously though, android might be able to do it with less memory than the alternatives.
  • [06:59:51] <rob_k> Hi, I need to use gpio as irq in program working on linux (not a part of kernel or module). My knowledge about is not to big. Maybe you can give me some advices what/where I should to look for it. I hope there is other way than reading (pooling mode) gpio value from /dev/class/gpio/gpioX/value.
  • [07:01:16] <tasslehoff> Android seemed responsive, though I didn't manage to do much more then click around in menus :)
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  • [07:04:59] <prikansa> has anybody tried to get ARGB8888 working on the beagleboard? It apparantly works with the omap3 evm.
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  • [07:21:08] <tasslehoff> I have compiled Angstrom for Beagleboard, but I'm not sure what do do next :). Which files/folders/archives should I copy/extract to my SD card? I followed instructions on the Angstrom site, so I have built base-image, console-image and x11-image
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  • [07:32:46] <tasslehoff> nevermind, I found the images..
  • [07:33:47] <adj> you only need on of them, x11-image is propably the one you want
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  • [07:34:33] <tasslehoff> adj: yep, and I'm probably/hopefully ok with the boot images I already have on the sd card
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  • [07:54:29] <tasslehoff> Should "Configuring hal" take a lot of time on the first boot? It has been stuck there for quite a while, with the USR0 led pulsing.
  • [07:55:02] <av500> yes, it takes some time
  • [07:57:54] <tasslehoff> av500: is some > 5 minutes?
  • [07:58:15] <av500> tasslehoff: no idea, but it is not instant
  • [07:58:36] <av500> but i am no oe expert...
  • [07:58:59] <tasslehoff> av500: ok. maybe #angstrom is the place to ask
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  • [09:01:12] <tasslehoff> Where can I find the bootcmd/bootargs I need for a self-built Angstrom?
  • [09:03:59] <tasslehoff> another nevermind, I found it.
  • [09:04:04] * tasslehoff needs patience
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  • [09:18:16] <bbbb> what is the USB host controller that is available on BB RevC3.0 ?
  • [09:18:34] <av500> define "what"?
  • [09:18:38] <av500> it is the ompa3 EHCI
  • [09:20:00] <bbbb> av500: It is in-built on OMAP3, right ?
  • [09:20:17] <av500> yes
  • [09:22:28] <bbbb> av500:Thank you!! I thought there is some other chip like NXP's ISP1761
  • [09:22:36] <av500> nope
  • [09:22:52] <av500> omap3 has 1 usb otg and 3x ehci host port
  • [09:23:41] <bbbb> av500: out of 3 BB uses one EHCI port
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  • [10:27:55] <tasslehoff> When I run Angstrom on Beagle, is it ARM, SGX and the Display Processor that's working? The DSP is not doing anything?
  • [10:29:40] <mru> depends on the apps you use
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  • [10:39:11] <tasslehoff> mru: I'm playing a H.264 file in mplayer
  • [10:39:53] <mru> mplayer doesn't use the dsp
  • [10:39:56] <mru> not yet at least
  • [10:40:22] <tasslehoff> mru: but some of the apps do?
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  • [10:42:22] <mru> there are least some demos that do
  • [10:42:36] <mru> koen should know more
  • [10:43:06] <tasslehoff> cool
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  • [10:50:48] <tasslehoff> _koen_: you about?
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  • [10:56:12] <tasslehoff> are there demos available somewhere in the angstrom-beagleboard-demo-image?
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  • [11:49:04] <_koen_> tasslehoff: there are gstreamer plugins to use the DSP, but they (or rather gstreamer) need a lot of tweaking to drop the cpu load
  • [11:49:43] <_koen_> it seems that when an app uses 'playbin' to find the right plugins it will 'waste' 40% cpu doing all kinds of extra stuff
  • [11:50:31] <av500> even after finding them? :-)
  • [11:52:04] <_koen_> I suspect, but I haven't confirmed yet, that it adds things like ffmpegcolourspace and ffresample
  • [11:52:53] <av500> but color conv u need, no?
  • [11:53:03] <_koen_> brijesh wrote a small gstreamer based player that only has approx 15% cpuload when decoding h264+aac on the dsp
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  • [11:53:14] <tasslehoff> _koen_: ok.
  • [11:53:24] <_koen_> av500: no, the sink is supports yuv420 due to neonmagic
  • [11:53:58] <tasslehoff> I'm trying to run Big Buck in 720p with omapfbplay, but I get an error saying "mmap: Invalid argument".
  • [11:54:03] <_koen_> av500: brijesh added accelerated framecopy using DMAI to gst-omapfb
  • [11:54:05] <av500> theres your colorconv there then :-)
  • [11:54:17] <_koen_> tasslehoff: echo 4000000 > /sys/class/graphics/fb1/size
  • [11:54:29] <av500> _koen_: "copy" sounds wrong, regardless how fast...
  • [11:55:13] <_koen_> av500: AIUI the "accelerated" version is a zero-copy one
  • [11:55:39] <av500> I could accept that :-)
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  • [11:56:00] <tasslehoff> _koen_: thanks.
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  • [12:15:31] <beaglenewbie> hi all
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  • [12:16:02] <beaglenewbie> does anyone have experience with beagleboard and webcam?
  • [12:17:03] <XorA> no, try on #beagle
  • [12:17:17] <XorA> there are a few guys there who are doing that
  • [12:17:32] <XorA> ooops
  • [12:17:38] * XorA goes to the stupid house
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  • [12:27:12] <yeg> Hello, Can somebody help me with gstreamer on Angstrom?
  • [12:28:57] <nhg> what are you trying to do
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  • [12:33:07] <yeg> I'm trying to play mp4 file with gst-launch on beagleboard, but playback freezes with PREROLLING message. If I launch only video stream or only audio it plays fine
  • [12:33:43] <av500> yeg: so u need a 2nd beagleboard :-)
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  • [12:34:06] * mru should add audio to omapfbplay
  • [12:34:09] <nhg> are you using gst-ti?
  • [12:34:24] <av500> mru: but which backend? :-)
  • [12:35:04] <mru> uh, is there an alternative to alsa?
  • [12:35:07] <nhg> is there some good documentation on getting gst-openmax working on Angstrom?
  • [12:35:54] <_koen_> nhg: no, bug there is a lot of documentation on how to get gst-ti and link working :)
  • [12:36:31] <nhg> right
  • [12:36:40] <yeg> nhg: No, I just trying to lunch it with custom modules like alsasink and fbdevsink
  • [12:37:52] <_koen_> mru: and aspect-ratio support, although I didn't get you an IBC ticket
  • [12:38:06] * _koen_ didn't attend IBC this year
  • [12:38:08] <mru> I couldn't have gone to ibc anyway
  • [12:38:22] <mru> I was busy entertaining the girls
  • [12:38:31] <nhg> yeg...that should work fine if you have all the needed gst packages installed. I usually install the ipks over the network and it seems to take care of all of the dependencies.
  • [12:38:33] * av500 makes the font larger
  • [12:39:46] <yeg> nhg, do you use playbin, or cunstruct your pipes manually?
  • [12:40:27] <nhg> construct manually
  • [12:42:41] <yeg> Is it a normal pipe? Or I should use some other modules? gst-launch filesrc location=ill.mp4 ! qtdemux name=demuxer demuxer. ! queue2 ! mpeg4videoparse ! ffmpegcolorspace ! videoscale ! ximagesink demuxer. ! queue ! faad ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! alsasink
  • [12:42:47] <tasslehoff> _koen_: the command you gave me was to set size of the frame buffer? omapfbplay works now, but the video is too big for my 1920x1080 display.
  • [12:43:01] <av500> bigger than 1920x1080?
  • [12:43:04] <av500> 2k or 4k?
  • [12:43:38] <_koen_> have a look at http://code.google.com/p/gstplayer/source/browse/#svn/trunk/gstplayer for a simple gst based player
  • [12:43:47] <prpplague> _koen_ morning
  • [12:44:39] <_koen_> hey prpplague
  • [12:44:58] <yeg> nhg, I use opkg to load gst-packages, so I think that the system loads modules with all dependencies
  • [12:46:33] <tasslehoff> av500: the display actually claims 640x480@59Hz, and I don't see the entire picture
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  • [12:51:34] <yeg> nhg, do you use gst-ti in your pipes? Or you have no delays with custom gst elements?
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  • [13:02:49] <nhg> no gst-ti...your delays couldbe associated with ffmpegcolorspace?
  • [13:07:34] <yeg> But if problem is in ffmpegcolorspace, why when I launch only video thread it's plays normally?
  • [13:08:20] <av500> looks more like an av sync issue
  • [13:09:04] <av500> isnt there debug output in gst to look at?
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  • [13:39:40] <yeg> av500, yes GST_DEBUG=n (n is in [1..5]) can be used, but I haven't see any troubles there
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  • [13:47:10] <yeg> nhg, can you, please, send me some file, that gst-launch plays normally with and you command line to play it? May be problem is in my video files.
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  • [13:47:29] <av500> yeg: I dont use gst...
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  • [13:49:48] <yeg> What a pity! Sorry, av500
  • [13:50:47] <av500> dont be
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  • [14:22:05] <prpplague> ho ho hum
  • [14:22:11] <prpplague> _koen_: are we having fun yet?
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  • [14:25:11] <_koen_> prpplague: nope, I'm having a case of writers block for this powerpoint presentation
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  • [14:28:02] <prpplague> _koen_: indeed, i'm trying to finish up this doc work for the omap3525 board
  • [14:28:29] <av500> _koen_: u can always paste cliparts...
  • [14:28:32] <prpplague> _koen_: thinking about ordering one of these - http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/customizer.html
  • [14:28:58] <av500> prpplague: why not get a cheap model M from the bay?
  • [14:29:23] <prpplague> _koen_: they are expensive but i'm totally sick of cheap keyboards
  • [14:29:37] <prpplague> av500: mainly because this has a usb option already
  • [14:29:48] <av500> add $3.50
  • [14:30:14] <av500> I guess u need the windows key badly :-)
  • [14:30:29] <prpplague> av500: hehe, no you can order with a tux
  • [14:30:42] * prpplague checks ebay
  • [14:30:47] <_koen_> :)
  • [14:30:55] * _koen_ is used to laptop keybs now
  • [14:30:57] <av500> prpplague: anyway, bkdwise you are on the right track...
  • [14:31:03] <av500> kbdwise
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  • [14:31:25] <av500> _koen_: ibm kbds are great, both desktop and laptop :-)
  • [14:31:37] * XorA has a house key on his keyboard
  • [14:31:52] <prpplague> _koen_: you do code work on your laptop keyboard?
  • [14:32:01] <av500> prpplague: he does not code
  • [14:32:05] <av500> he updates recipies
  • [14:32:22] <av500> and now he click pastes ppts
  • [14:32:23] <prpplague> av500: hehe i know for a fact that _koen_ does some coding, hehe
  • [14:32:26] <XorA> we have seen koens code, we dont let him anymore
  • [14:32:32] <av500> XorA: see
  • [14:33:04] * _koen_ whistles innocently
  • [14:33:21] <_koen_> I only need ctrl-c and ctrl-v to work for my 'coding'
  • [14:33:21] <prpplague> hehe
  • [14:33:39] <XorA> _koen_: your degree from calcuta :-D
  • [14:34:08] <prpplague> people probably say the same about my code
  • [14:35:07] <av500> prpplague: http://cgi.ebay.com/MINT-1997-IBM-Model-M-Clicky-Keyboard-51G8572-Unit-264_W0QQitemZ140346394476QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPCA_Mice_Trackballs?hash=item20ad4c076c&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
  • [14:36:48] <prpplague> av500: yea, just as soon get a new one that's black and has usb, atleast with that i have a warranty and such
  • [14:37:01] <av500> prpplague: finw with me :-)
  • [14:37:29] <av500> prpplague: I fail to see the need for a warranty though on these beasts
  • [14:38:33] <prpplague> av500: well with the ebay one you might buy it, and after a week it might stop working
  • [14:39:26] <av500> prpplague: no risk no fun
  • [14:39:36] <av500> but as I said, get the new one
  • [14:40:33] <prpplague> av500: hehe not interested in the fun part, just want a good keyboard, hehe
  • [14:40:59] <prpplague> av500: i'm not afraid of shelling out money for something that is reliable and provides a good resource
  • [14:41:27] <av500> prpplague: same idea here, but I have about 4-5 Ms, so it will be long before I need a "new" one...
  • [14:42:03] <prpplague> av500: ahh
  • [14:43:32] <skipis1> Anybody tried getting EHCI working on Beagle in u-boot? I've seen support for non-OMAP chips.
  • [14:46:38] <_koen_> skipis1: AFAIK only MUSB has been attempted
  • [14:48:39] <skipis1> koen - Yeah, I've seen usbtty and usbnet implemented with MUSB. Thought I'd ask if anybody else tried EHCI before I try.
  • [14:49:45] <prpplague> _koen_: going to need to push a minor patch to the i2c init stuff for the beagle/omap3, the AT24 eeprom and some of the related stuff on the i2c bus need to run at a max of 100kHz, right now it is configured for 400
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  • [14:51:11] <XorA> skipis1: by the time you waste time implementing usb in u-boot you might as well boot a minimal kernel with initrd
  • [14:51:20] <XorA> skipis1: see keecboot in OE
  • [14:51:31] <XorA> kexecboot
  • [14:51:47] <av500> XorA: agree, no need to rewrite linux in uboot
  • [14:52:09] <XorA> skipis1: dont forget with kexec linux can boot linux
  • [14:52:13] <av500> small linux+initrd fits in 2MB, should find a place in nand for that
  • [14:53:15] <XorA> you can then even boot off crazy shit like ftp site then
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  • [14:54:13] <av500> XorA: or from tha flash :-)
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  • [14:55:12] <XorA> av500: why would you sonething crazy like that :-D
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  • [15:04:29] <drk||Razi> Anyone can help me to get SGX working without X ?
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  • [15:05:05] <drk||Razi> I have ubuntu (9.04) w/ the sgx kernel modules loaded and the 3.00.00.09 sdk
  • [15:05:11] <drk||Razi> and 3d works with X
  • [15:05:15] <mru> that would be SG then?
  • [15:05:29] <drk||Razi> hah ;p
  • [15:05:40] <drk||Razi> without x it errors out :/
  • [15:05:43] <drk||Razi> PVR_K:(Error): PVRSRVCreateDCSwapChainKM: Failed to create 3rd party SwapChain [911, /mnt/debian/omap3-sgx-modules-1.3.13.1607/services4/srvkm/common/deviceclass.c] << with that
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  • [15:19:38] <_koen_> prpplague: heh, I pushed a similar patch upstream for i2c3 :)
  • [15:20:15] <s27> are there any good practices in programming in embedded linux in elinux wiki
  • [15:20:22] <s27> or somewhere else
  • [15:20:29] <s27> some debug techniques and so on
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  • [15:22:10] <prpplague> s27: get the basic books k&r 's c programming, "the practice of programming" and "programming pearls"
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  • [15:23:06] <prpplague> http://www.amazon.com/Programming-Pearls-2nd-Jon-Bentley/dp/0201657880/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1253200964&sr=8-1
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  • [15:23:27] <prpplague> http://www.amazon.com/Practice-Programming-Brian-W-Kernighan/dp/020161586X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1253200997&sr=1-1
  • [15:23:41] <prpplague> http://www.amazon.com/Programming-Language-2nd-Brian-Kernighan/dp/0131103628/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1253201013&sr=1-1
  • [15:23:52] <prpplague> s27: that's a dandy start
  • [15:24:18] <av500> s27: 90% of embedded programming is standard programming, same rules apply
  • [15:24:47] <av500> I do 90% of my embedded work on the PC, then I occasionally verify that it also works on the target :-)
  • [15:24:58] <drk||Razi> i typically develop on the pc and move to the platform for testing every once in a while
  • [15:25:04] <drk||Razi> lol
  • [15:25:33] <av500> it helps a lot to have the same code on 2 platform that differ in speeds etc...
  • [15:26:15] <av500> e.g. running on PC finds some race conditions that would show only rarely on slow platform (but also the other way round)
  • [15:26:33] <mru> particulary on a multicore pc
  • [15:26:46] <av500> yep
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  • [15:27:57] <s27> any best practices i bought k&r, always useful to get some pratical tips/advice
  • [15:27:58] <av500> and running it in valgrind on the PC makes it slow down to target speed nicely :-)
  • [15:27:58] <mru> and sometimes race conditions are only triggered on a slow machine
  • [15:29:13] <s27> why in elc they dont discuss all these
  • [15:29:28] <s27> thier tutorials are good
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  • [15:29:54] <av500> elc?
  • [15:30:17] <mru> you can't teach someone to be a genius...
  • [15:31:09] <av500> I read this every 6mo (so, not a genius) : http://www.amazon.com/C-Traps-Pitfalls-Andrew-Koenig/dp/0201179288/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1253201442&sr=1-1-spell
  • [15:31:19] <s27> av500: elc presentation slides
  • [15:31:33] <av500> and what do they present?
  • [15:32:21] <mru> bullet points
  • [15:33:06] <s27> linux kernel related stuff, imformative
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  • [15:35:39] <_dash_> is there any digi key guy here ?
  • [15:35:53] <av500> never saw one
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  • [15:39:50] <_dash_> ok
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  • [16:06:12] <prpplague> _koen_: i think rusty is concerned about people messing up their beagle board when they solder the 2x14 header on board
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  • [16:08:21] <mechle-shechle> hi
  • [16:09:18] <mechle-shechle> do flash plugins (for watching bbc iplayer, youtube, etc) work on the beagleboard yet? or is 'flash light' the only flash that works?
  • [16:09:34] <mechle-shechle> lite*
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  • [16:10:55] <av500> flashlite works but cost $$$
  • [16:11:06] <av500> gnash and swfdec somewhat work, but not really good
  • [16:11:29] <av500> flashlite works but cost $$$ and u need to still port it or pay even more $$$
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  • [16:11:49] <mechle-shechle> darn
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  • [16:11:52] <mechle-shechle> shame that
  • [16:12:03] <av500> no swearing here please
  • [16:12:31] <mechle-shechle> swearing?
  • [16:13:06] <mechle-shechle> thanks for the info
  • [16:13:08] <mechle-shechle> bye bye
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  • [16:18:50] <mru> av500: you have a very generous definition of "works"
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  • [16:20:06] <av500> mru: no, I just check if u are paying attention
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  • [16:29:36] <PuffTheMagic> what are the best cflags i could use for armv7a omap 3430 board?
  • [16:29:42] <PuffTheMagic> mtune/march that is
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  • [16:31:16] <mturquette> PuffTheMagic: http://git.pokylinux.org/cgit.cgi/poky/tree/meta/conf/machine/include/tune-cortexa8.inc
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  • [16:33:45] <djlewis> bbl....
  • [16:33:51] <djlewis> .quit
  • [16:34:02] <djlewis> typing in the dark again...
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  • [16:38:23] <_dash_> bye all
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  • [16:44:57] <ojn> Has anyone here been able to get a full 1680x1050 going with DSS2?
  • [16:45:09] <ojn> I can do 1600x900, but not anything higher it seems.
  • [16:47:34] <av500> pixel clock is the limit
  • [16:48:36] <av500> some 70mhz or so
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  • [16:51:44] <koen> prpplague: <20W iron should be okay according to Gerald
  • [16:51:57] <koen> 1080p24 works on beagle
  • [16:54:07] <drk||Razi> so, does anyone has expirience getting the 3d drivers to work on plain fb ?
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  • [17:00:55] <ojn> koen: what dvimode arg? any code changes? what kernel?
  • [17:02:25] <mru> omap3 max pixclock is ~85 MHz
  • [17:05:19] <koen> 1920x1080MR-24@24 using the standard angstrom kernel
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  • [17:06:14] <bobkatzz> jkridner|work1: anyone doing anything with the eZdsp(TM) USB stick and the BB?
  • [17:06:52] <bobkatzz> and gm to y'all :P
  • [17:06:52] <Christos_N> the $49 thing?
  • [17:06:56] <bobkatzz> yeah
  • [17:07:03] <Christos_N> nope :P
  • [17:07:33] <av500> bobkatzz: last time I checked the BB had a dsp already :-)
  • [17:07:53] <Christos_N> exactly..
  • [17:08:30] <bobkatzz> ok - that may be - chip level then?
  • [17:08:47] <ojn> koen: thanks. will give it a go. I think my monitor might be limiting on the low freq, but I'll see.
  • [17:09:06] <bobkatzz> my knowledge base has large (read gaping ) holes in it
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  • [17:11:33] <_koen_> my tv likes the 1080p24 mode just fine :)
  • [17:11:41] <_koen_> (samsung 6 series)
  • [17:18:40] <bobkatzz> yeah, koen that reminds me - I never did get my monitor resolution set right it's like VERY BIG - I have a samsung SynchMaster 971p - any ideas?
  • [17:20:06] <bobkatzz> _koen_: I saw you're coming to the US - will you be at the ESC doins?
  • [17:20:30] <koen> nope, only texas and maryland
  • [17:20:41] <koen> bobkatzz: 1280x1024MR-24@60 ?
  • [17:21:14] <bobkatzz> Maryland? - I'm only 2 clicks down the road! when?
  • [17:21:58] <bobkatzz> those monitor stats - are you asking if that is the default resolution?
  • [17:21:59] <koen> around 12 oct
  • [17:22:10] <bobkatzz> kewl
  • [17:22:39] <koen> bobkatzz: no, those go after omapfb.mode=dvi: in bootargs, e.g. omapfb.mode=dvi:1280x1024MR-24@60
  • [17:23:33] <koen> or 'setenv dvimode 1280x1024MR-24@60' in u-boot
  • [17:23:47] <bobkatzz> ok - I have to get into BB mode to fix that - great thanks
  • [17:26:12] <prpplague> koen: indeed <20w and around 725 degrees should be fine
  • [17:26:54] <prpplague> koen: having the zippy for ethernet sure makes dev easier
  • [17:27:06] <bobkatzz> _koen_: where will you be in MD? I have a baklava delivery to make! :P
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  • [17:27:32] <bobkatzz> up there somewhere around Oct 12th
  • [17:27:40] <bobkatzz> :)
  • [17:27:51] <_koen_> bobkatzz: germantown
  • [17:28:06] <prpplague> bobkatzz: baklava?
  • [17:28:12] <bobkatzz> yep
  • [17:28:16] <_koen_> I still need to fix my itinerary
  • [17:29:02] <bobkatzz> keep me posted - we'll see if we can arrange that
  • [17:29:13] <prpplague> bobkatzz: what is baklava?
  • [17:29:34] <av500> prpplague: it is yummy
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  • [17:29:41] * prpplague googles
  • [17:29:50] <prpplague> ahh
  • [17:29:51] <av500> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baklava
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  • [17:30:00] <bobkatzz> multiple layers of filo and butter with a center of walnuts and spices then drizzled with a "secret" syrup known only by my wife :P
  • [17:30:44] <drk||Razi> hmnnn, that is tasty stuff indeed :p
  • [17:30:56] <bobkatzz> there is no wiki baklava that will compare (I'm slightly prejudice, hehe)
  • [17:31:26] <av500> bobkatzz: sadly a lot of commercial baklava is just mostly sugarwater
  • [17:31:57] <bobkatzz> hers is Armenian baklava - and has honey and other ingredients that I would be executed for if I told hehe
  • [17:32:07] <bobkatzz> jk
  • [17:32:10] <bobkatzz> not
  • [17:32:26] <av500> bobkatzz: I sent self addressed envelope?
  • [17:32:30] * koen is brewing a pot of Kopi Luwak coffee
  • [17:32:30] <bobkatzz> but it's very light and not soggy like much that I have had
  • [17:32:30] <av500> send
  • [17:33:15] <bobkatzz> we send it out a Christmas to family in 5lb boxes and they cost me $15 just to ship hehe
  • [17:33:34] <bobkatzz> metal boxes
  • [17:33:45] <av500> bobkatzz: I'll ask koen to take it back with him :-)
  • [17:33:55] <av500> but then he will eat it all...
  • [17:33:59] <prpplague> hehe not exactly something you can find easily around here
  • [17:34:19] <bobkatzz> I'm trying to get her to sell it on line - it ships (and keeps) very well
  • [17:34:57] <bobkatzz> our Dutch friends freeze it and then thaw it out for guests - last 6 months (only because they eat it all hehe)
  • [17:35:26] <prpplague> bobkatzz: i don;t doubt the quality, just don't think folks around here would even know about it
  • [17:36:03] <bobkatzz> where is that? I don't think I ever got your QTH
  • [17:37:56] <bobkatzz> oh - wait - tincantools - TX yes?
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  • [17:38:02] <bobkatzz> duh!
  • [17:39:13] <drk||Razi> [17778.158935] PVR_K:(Error): PVRSRVCreateDCSwapChainKM: Failed to create 3rd party SwapChain [911, /mnt/debian/omap3-sgx-modules-1.3.13.1607/services4/srvkm/common/deviceclass.c]
  • [17:39:21] <drk||Razi> Anyone knows how to solve that ?
  • [17:39:26] * drk||Razi feels bad for asking for the 3rd time :/
  • [17:40:48] <av500> drk||Razi: what did u change to not use X?
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  • [17:42:12] <drk||Razi> av500:i just don't start X
  • [17:42:22] <drk||Razi> (console only image ...)
  • [17:42:24] <drk||Razi> err
  • [17:42:34] <drk||Razi> console only* login
  • [17:42:41] <av500> and how is the X-related SGX output driver going to handle that? except with an error msg?
  • [17:42:58] <prpplague> bobkatzz: yea texas
  • [17:43:20] <drk||Razi> av500: suposely the driver works best in non-X mode?
  • [17:43:58] <av500> it still might need to be told to be non-X
  • [17:44:17] <drk||Razi> it is on the gles init (on the samples and my code)
  • [17:44:43] <drk||Razi> i havn't found any other info on what is needed :/
  • [17:44:52] <av500> i see
  • [17:45:20] <drk||Razi> and Xorg uses a huge amount of ram :p
  • [17:46:52] <prpplague> koen: i have a frankenbeagle board that is alive
  • [17:47:22] <av500> it tried to kill u?
  • [17:47:27] <av500> (yet)
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  • [17:57:49] <prpplague> av500: just removed all the connectors and connected it up to a larger breakout board
  • [17:58:24] <bobkatzz> get thee behind me thaytan! :P
  • [17:58:38] <thaytan> hey yo
  • [17:58:45] <bobkatzz> thaytan: whatsssup?
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  • [17:59:10] <bobkatzz> how are things?
  • [17:59:34] <thaytan> nommuch
  • [17:59:43] <thaytan> nothing bb related, sadly
  • [18:00:08] <ds> where's mah tea!?
  • [18:00:19] <thaytan> ds: hey yo
  • [18:01:24] <ds> hi
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  • [18:31:06] <bobkatzz> _koen_, prpplague, av500 - http://www.lilisbaklava.com/ :P
  • [18:31:19] <bobkatzz> more later
  • [18:31:45] <_koen_> :)
  • [18:32:22] <prpplague> jkridner|work1: ping
  • [18:33:40] <jkridner|work1> pong
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  • [18:35:19] <prpplague> jkridner|work1: see /msg
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  • [19:01:07] <drk||Razi> alright
  • [19:01:14] <drk||Razi> it turns out that the boot args were wrong
  • [19:01:18] <drk||Razi> and it needs to allocate more vram
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  • [19:14:10] <_av500_> drk||Razi: glad it works now
  • [19:14:40] <drk||Razi> someone should edit the elinux wiki about it
  • [19:14:49] * drk||Razi found it by examining the kernel driver src code :p
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  • [19:35:06] <_koen_> prpplague: teh soldering problem is holding off zippy availability?
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  • [19:40:46] <prpplague> _koen_: no, just was a point of discussion
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  • [19:49:23] <_koen_> prpplague: Gerald mentioned a few people used a 100W soldering gun to add the expansion connecter and blew up some ICs
  • [19:49:54] <prpplague> _koen_: yea even one report that someone used a wood burnish iron
  • [19:50:20] <prpplague> hmm ubootv2 is giving me trouble :(
  • [19:50:47] * _koen_ still needs to get a decent soldering station
  • [19:51:00] <likewise> gm all
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  • [19:52:36] <prpplague> _koen_: you can get a pretty decent one for about $125USD
  • [19:53:56] <Crofton|work> that's about 2 euro + 200 euro shipping and duty
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  • [19:59:28] <prpplague> hehe
  • [20:00:02] * _koen_ isn't planning of buying stuff in the US
  • [20:00:08] <_koen_> s/of/on/
  • [20:02:28] <likewise> A good SMT soldering station is not really expensive compared with all the repair tools in case of 'reworking' SMT designs.
  • [20:02:29] * djlewis_ likes his 30 year old Weller temp ctrl digital station :)
  • [20:02:52] * likewise has the bi-metal-tips Weller
  • [20:03:17] * likewise notes it's binary (digital) also :-)
  • [20:03:31] <djlewis_> likewise: goes places with smt djlewis fears to tread ;)
  • [20:04:17] <_koen_> likewise: the dvb-t in the UK is about the same quality as dvb-c over here
  • [20:05:44] <likewise> _koen_: uhm, is it any worse than DVB-T in .nl?
  • [20:05:58] <likewise> _koen_: at least the UK considers DVB-T2...
  • [20:06:10] <_koen_> likewise: it's much better
  • [20:06:31] <_koen_> on most of the channels, some are the same low bitrate as in .nl
  • [20:09:32] <_koen_> likewise: although it could be because they don't have to encode all those subtitles into the video :)
  • [20:10:10] <likewise> _koen_: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8259154.stm
  • [20:10:34] <likewise> _koen_: only very slightly related
  • [20:12:06] <_koen_> likewise: I do like the HD channels in .nl, nice 1080i with enough bits
  • [20:12:07] <mru> bbc is usually watchable
  • [20:12:11] <mru> itv is the worst
  • [20:12:18] <mru> channel4 somewhere in between
  • [20:12:34] <likewise> _koen_: HD on DVB-C? Which provider?
  • [20:12:44] <_koen_> likewise: ziggo
  • [20:13:22] <_koen_> likewise: most providers now have NED1 HD unencrypted
  • [20:15:54] <_av500_> drk||Razi: looking into the src is a known to work approach to solve problems
  • [20:16:18] <_av500_> it beats wikis 10:1
  • [20:17:53] <drk||Razi> not really
  • [20:18:25] <drk||Razi> the need to look into random driver srcs to solve my problems = the reason why the arm port is 5 months late ;p
  • [20:18:56] <_av500_> port of what?
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  • [20:19:53] <drk||Razi> if i need to do that crap again (for say like, audio) i'l just drop arm support ><
  • [20:20:16] <_av500_> for what?
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  • [20:21:47] <drk||Razi> i'm porting my emulator around to weird platforms
  • [20:22:00] <mru> emulator of what?
  • [20:22:04] <drk||Razi> dreamcast
  • [20:22:21] <mru> now that rings a bell
  • [20:22:32] <mru> were you here under a totally different nick a few months ago?
  • [20:22:43] <drk||Razi> no, that was probably zezu
  • [20:22:47] <drk||Razi> the other guy ;p
  • [20:23:13] <drk||Razi> he did the initial arm work, i did the gles code (using a x86 gles emulator)
  • [20:24:45] <mru> ah, yes zezu sounds familiar
  • [20:24:46] <bkero> Beagle has a Linuxcon booth :) woop woop
  • [20:24:52] <bkero> Anybody in the channel manning it?
  • [20:25:34] <drk||Razi> anyway, it works now ! so i can finaly work on the dynarec :p
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  • [20:49:39] <XorA> _koen_: what happend to mplayer?
  • [20:50:08] <_koen_> XorA: the new svn version isn't working for you?
  • [20:50:14] <XorA> no
  • [20:50:23] <_koen_> crap, it works over here
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  • [20:50:26] <XorA> my pld patch doesnt applu
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  • [20:50:36] <_koen_> XorA: ah!
  • [20:50:38] <XorA> did you forget a commit?
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  • [20:53:58] <_koen_> XorA: steve K mentioned the same
  • [20:54:07] <_koen_> XorA: I have no uncommitted changes
  • [21:00:17] <ant__> _koen_: hi
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  • [21:00:44] <XorA> koen: SRCREV 29653?
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  • [21:01:44] <ant__> _koen_: again a question for you: in angstrom.inc we set PSTAGE_EXTRAPATH = "${LIBC}", overriding the defaults in packaged-staging.bbclass
  • [21:01:57] <ant__> but we already have set DEPLOY_DIR = "${TMPDIR}/deploy/${LIBC}"
  • [21:02:09] <_koen_> XorA: NOTE: Unpacking files/yuv.S to /OE/angstrom-dev/work/armv7a-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/mplayer-0.0+1.0rc2+svnr29653-r12/
  • [21:02:09] <_koen_> NOTE: Running task 4 of 4 (ID: 3, /OE/org.openembedded.dev/recipes/mplayer/mplayer_svn.bb, do_patch)
  • [21:02:09] <_koen_> NOTE: Applying patch 'pld-onlyarm5-svn.patch' (files/pld-onlyarm5-svn.patch)
  • [21:02:09] <_koen_> NOTE: Applying patch 'makefile-nostrip-svn.patch' (files/makefile-nostrip-svn.patch)
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  • [21:03:28] <ant__> _koen_: so, why LIBC twice in path (id it cannot be moved out of DEPLOY_DIR atm)
  • [21:04:21] <_koen_> ant__: let me have a look
  • [21:04:48] <ant__> I've sync'ed with poky and have now STAGE_EXTRAPATH ?= ""
  • [21:04:48] <ant__> STAGE_PKGPATH = "${DISTRO}/${OELAYOUT_ABI}/${DISTRO_PR}/${PSTAGE_EXTRAPATH}"
  • [21:05:49] <ant__> so I have andrea@mizar /oe/build/tmp/deploy/glibc/pstage/angstrom/3/.3 $ ls
  • [21:05:49] <ant__> glibc glibc-oe-build-tmp
  • [21:06:52] <_koen_> XorA: mplayer also patches fine on the machine inside TI, so I suspect that a host patch tool gets called and mine (debian at home, ubuntu at ti) accept the pld patch and yours don't
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  • [21:08:34] <pas3000> Hi
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  • [21:08:54] <pas3000> does somebody have the time to give me a couple of hints on initramfs
  • [21:09:11] <pas3000> 1
  • [21:09:13] <_koen_> ant__: if you use the default, you need a seperate distro for uclibc and eglibc
  • [21:09:41] <ant__> (eglibc is broken atm)
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  • [21:10:13] <_koen_> yes, we need to spank likewise for that
  • [21:12:15] * likewise whistles. What did I break? Did I f*ck up the gnuspe stuff?
  • [21:12:25] <pas3000> ?
  • [21:13:42] <likewise> _koen_: what part do I need spanking for? eglibc breakage?
  • [21:13:58] <_koen_> likewise: yes, you need to swap the two TARGET_OS statements around, since your gnuspe change sets target os to linux for arm-eabi
  • [21:14:22] <_koen_> likewise: the OE dimwits noticed the bug in angstrom, but only fixed it in sane-toolchain
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  • [21:16:15] <_koen_> XorA: fc9b581c65798bf702efbd8293cb675a files/pld-onlyarm5-svn.patch
  • [21:18:48] <likewise> _koen_: swapping them around will not help, but I see the bug now.
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  • [21:19:07] <ant__> btw eglibc doesn't give any big gain atm
  • [21:19:22] <ant__> neither size nor modulability
  • [21:19:56] <mru> it gives drepper--
  • [21:20:01] <mru> and that's got to be good
  • [21:20:07] <ant__> ok, the bad karma thing ;)
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  • [21:20:43] <ant__> I'm talking about eglibc status in OE btw
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  • [21:21:01] <ant__> don't know in the outworld
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  • [21:23:43] <likewise> _koen_: wrapping them around will force "linux" for powerpc. How about this approach instead? http://www.pastebin.ca/1570139
  • [21:23:46] <XorA> _koen_: pushed a refreshed patch
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  • [21:27:10] <_koen_> likewise: that's neat, but I think I have a different fix
  • [21:28:42] <likewise> ant__: eglibc is about glibc not caring about ports anymore.
  • [21:29:06] <likewise> about glibc developers thinking non-x86 (or small iron) hardware is bad.
  • [21:30:28] <bkero> It's just one guy really
  • [21:30:48] <XorA> who smells a repeat of egcc :-)
  • [21:31:01] <bkero> I forgot his name, but all I had to do was google 'glibc asshole', and Ulrich Drepper is every hit on the first page.
  • [21:31:01] <mru> egcs?
  • [21:32:10] <XorA> mru: when the whole gcc team was replaced by the fork because they were being arseholes and refusing to fix problems
  • [21:32:35] <mru> you mean the 2.9 series that became 2.95?
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  • [21:33:13] <XorA> no that was a redhat special
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  • [21:33:30] <mru> XorA: no, that was 2.96
  • [21:33:43] <XorA> mru: oh yeah, that then
  • [21:33:55] <mru> there were a few 2.8 releases that sometimes worked
  • [21:34:00] <XorA> mru: there have been too many beers in between
  • [21:34:07] <Crofton> maybe he owns stock in uclibc?
  • [21:34:37] <mru> seriously, what's in glibc that makes it 100000000000 times bigger than uclibc?
  • [21:36:01] <XorA> some of it is syscall emulations
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  • [21:37:57] <drk||Razi> Christos_N: hi
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  • [22:25:43] <likewise> _koen_: how was your fix different?
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  • [22:27:10] <_koen_> likewise: I gave up trying to use sane-toolchain.inc and used yours instead
  • [22:27:39] <_koen_> likewise: I think the bottom 55 lines of sanetoolchain.inc are the only sane bits
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  • [22:29:44] <likewise> _koen_: I didn't look into sane-toolchain yet.
  • [22:30:20] <_koen_> likewise: it's a copy of the angstrom stuff with a few changes, in other words: NIH
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  • [22:59:49] <djlewis_> bbl guys...
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