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[04:26:13] <mmW> hi all
[04:26:30] <mmW> I'm having trouble getting Angstrom Linux to boot on my rev C beagle board
[04:26:48] <mmW> anyone seen this error before?
[04:27:29] <mmW> ** Unable to read "uImage" from mmc 0:1 **
[04:27:30] <mmW> Wrong Image Format for bootm command
[04:27:30] <mmW> ERROR: can't get kernel image!
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[04:33:53] <mmW> ahhhh, it looks like i was using the wrong uimage name
[04:34:04] <mmW> followed the howto exactly, fml, oh well, it looks like it's working now
[04:40:16] <lemay> I see that error on one of my cards
[04:40:31] <lemay> I figured it was a bad card, but it does have a different image on it
[04:40:42] <lemay> so maybe I've got the same issue you do
[04:40:59] <lemay> what parameter did you change?
[04:42:13] <mmW> ahhhh
[04:42:28] <mmW> I tried a howto which used the uimage name "uImage"
[04:42:53] <mmW> but I had to set it to "uImage_revc_v3.bin"
[04:43:02] <mmW> I'm pretty sure my parameters are just messed up
[04:43:10] <mmW> i'm just getting started with angstrom :)
[04:43:18] <lemay> yea, me too
[04:44:42] <mmW> were you able to angstrom up on a different SD card?
[04:45:00] <lemay> I was
[04:45:16] <lemay> I ordered the preimaged cards from special computing though
[04:45:29] <lemay> one works, the other gave the message you posted
[04:45:42] <lemay> they have different loads on them - so it kind of fits what you described
[04:45:50] <mmW> yeahhh
[04:45:55] <mmW> it could be the uimage name for sure
[04:46:12] <lemay> thanks for the pointer - i'll dig into it when I have time
[04:46:20] <mmW> some forums were also mentioning that some versions of uboot use "mmc init" while others use "mmcinit" notice the spaces
[04:46:25] <mmW> aight, good luck
[04:46:26] <lemay> which might be never, if this other card gets what I want done :)
[04:47:26] <mmW> yup, that's my linux strategy too - "once it's working, don't change anything" lol
[04:47:56] <lemay> I know what you mean
[04:48:00] <lemay> its kind of scary
[04:48:17] <lemay> I'd love to get a sustainable development/deployment environment going
[04:48:42] <lemay> but since I dont understand why things break two thirds of the time its hard to see how thats going to happen
[04:48:56] <lemay> I'm in the steep part of the learning curve :)
[04:56:22] <mmW> yeah, i downloaded the OpenEmbedded environment...4 gigs worth lol, but I'm just trying to get the demo image of angstrom working
[04:56:30] <mmW> then i'll move onto the fun stuff :)
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[05:07:42] <Animule> good freakin god
[05:07:44] <Animule> 4GB???
[05:15:05] <mmW> no joke
[05:15:07] <mmW> mark@mark-home:~$ du -sh /OE/
[05:15:07] <mmW> 3.9G /OE/
[05:15:27] <mmW> that was just the build enviro tho...presumably the images will be smaller :)
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[05:25:06] <ds2> now build it
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[05:44:14] <lemay> that 4gb is the tip of the iceberg
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[06:10:37] <Animule> god.... i don't think labview 2009 with the vision toolkit is that big....
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[07:02:30] <rachit> Does any one have doen benchmark of FFTW code on Cortex A8?
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[07:15:54] <adj> Animule: yeah, 4 gigs is nothing. Remove rm_work and rebuild, then you will have ~30 GB :)
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[07:47:10] <av500> gm neonphytes
[07:47:31] <_koen_> good morning
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[08:22:53] <mru> morning
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[08:46:45] <tomba> damn these spurious irqs
[08:48:35] <lemay> I'm having trouble installing the OpenGL/ES libraries
[08:49:13] <lemay> when I bitbake libgles I get errors
[08:49:42] <lemay> which are here, if anyone would care to troubleshoot: http://pastebin.com/m220c038b
[08:50:12] <lemay> are there any other options to get those things installed?
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[09:06:21] <mru> morning _roger_
[09:07:48] <av500> morning mru
[09:08:08] <av500> waiting eagerly for a new build?
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[09:10:13] <_roger_> hi guys!
[09:10:27] <_roger_> ftp in progress... excitement unbearable!
[09:11:09] * av500 bitng nails
[09:11:13] <av500> +i
[09:15:01] <XorA> ~blame av500
[09:17:57] <av500> what for?
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[09:20:16] <XorA> av500: something
[09:20:53] <av500> I confess
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[09:27:08] <mru> av500: what to?
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[09:30:23] <av500> I touch java yesterday...
[09:30:25] <av500> +ed
[09:30:31] <av500> and I cant tzpe
[09:30:44] <koen> is there a causal connection between the two?
[09:31:22] <av500> no, i cant type in any language
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[09:32:56] <adj> but that wasn't the case before you touched java?
[09:34:52] <av500> n0
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[09:38:58] * adj hands av500 a certificate of enterprise level Java Guru. av500 is now fully qualified for any corporate task requiring 1337 java skillz
[09:39:44] <av500> sure, I even used "synchronized" :-)
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[09:57:06] <lemay> when I installed the OMAP35x_Graphics_SDK_setuplinux_3_00_00_06.bin on my host PC, I found in one of the directories
[09:57:26] <lemay> libgles-omap3_3.00.00.06-r0.1_beagleboard.ipk
[09:58:02] <lemay> which is an OE make
[09:58:28] <lemay> what am I losing if I use that ipk, rather than the ipk's that I would get if I bitbaked myself?
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[10:00:22] <lemay> if anyone knows, use my name when you tell me ... I am hitting the sack
[10:00:26] <lemay> nn o7
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[10:17:40] <gaurang> hi
[10:18:10] <gaurang> when i run bitbake base-image command
[10:18:18] <gaurang> i got this error
[10:18:39] <gaurang> ERROR: IO Error: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/OE/angstrom-dev/saved_tmpdir'
[10:18:50] <mru> av500: java "synchronized" should never be used
[10:18:56] <mru> not if you care about performance
[10:19:27] <adj> gaurang: well, that error is quite obvious: you have no permission to write to /OE
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[10:35:08] <av500> mru: in this case performance was irrelevant
[10:35:42] <mru> yeah, if performance is relevant you don't use java in the first place
[10:35:55] * mru has had to *implement* the damn thing in a jvm...
[10:36:18] <av500> synchronized?
[10:36:33] <av500> coz your clients wanted it and you vm did not have it?
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[10:40:07] <av500> mru: btw, why is "synchronized" not good?
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[10:43:34] <mru> all calls to "synchronized" functions in a class as serialised, even if they do not conflict
[10:43:50] <mru> because the simple annotation can't provide enough information
[10:44:19] <av500> yes, but I understood that from the description
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[10:44:31] <mru> I didn't doubt that
[10:44:41] <mru> it's just a stupid thing to put in a language
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[10:44:59] <av500> if you want it more finegrained you pick another object to sync on, not the class...
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[10:45:27] <mru> av500: with a lot of overhead...
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[10:49:38] <Zagrophyte> JTAG: Allows breakpoints, etc?
[10:49:53] <av500> yes
[10:50:05] <Zagrophyte> k
[10:50:24] <Zagrophyte> flyswatter the best deal?
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[10:51:04] <av500> Zagrophyte: so far I dont think there is any working and "open" JTAG solution for the omap3...
[10:51:31] <Zagrophyte> hmm
[10:51:43] <av500> the HW is ok, but I think the omap3 itself is not supported
[10:51:48] <mru> your best bet is to write correct code in the first place
[10:51:50] <Zagrophyte> So a noob like me shouldn't worry about it and just develop directly on the board?
[10:51:55] <Zagrophyte> mru: :D
[10:52:11] <av500> Zagrophyte: you can get pretty far without jtag
[10:52:26] <av500> I never used any on the omap3
[10:52:42] <Zagrophyte> I've gotten pretty far in AVR without ICSP, so that comforts me :)
[10:52:53] <av500> we used it a bit for board bringup but for the BB this is done
[10:53:22] <Zagrophyte> Mainly just one of those "we have this because why wouldn't we expose the port?" things
[10:53:39] <mru> and with the rom loader you can theoretically do everything w/o jtag
[10:56:46] <Zagrophyte> I have about $150 to spend on accessories, trying to find out the best bang for my buck to get running quickly. So far I'm getting the DVI cable, USB cables, a usb hub, some sort of serial cable arrangement
[10:57:27] <Zagrophyte> and if I have enough, maybe one of those clear cases from specialcomp
[10:57:28] <XorA> the ability to recover with just an MMC card is one of omaps most awesome features
[10:57:45] <Zagrophyte> XorA: Ah so that's built in? nice.
[10:58:42] <Zagrophyte> do I need to worry about voltages on SD cards, or will pretty much any non-dinosaur one work?
[10:58:43] <XorA> Zagrophyte: I think you'll find a lot of people here, dont even bother to flash the boards its so easy to boot from mmc
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[11:00:17] <Zagrophyte> I'm excited
[11:01:15] <av500> Zagrophyte: for $150, you can get the gold plated high end HDMI and USB cables!
[11:01:15] <Zagrophyte> I guess this will finally push me over the edge to learning programming on linux
[11:01:27] <Zagrophyte> av500: haha, monoprice FTW
[11:02:03] <Zagrophyte> monoprice doesn't have the special OTG cables though :|
[11:02:37] <Zagrophyte> https://specialcomp.com/beagleboard/order.htm these are alright enough prices, digikey's were nearing M-M-M-Monster prices.
[11:03:06] <Zagrophyte> I'd gladly take any cheaper leads though
[11:03:22] <av500> there you go: http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10231&cs_id=1023101&p_id=2751&seq=1&format=2
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[11:04:25] <av500> Zagrophyte: special comp prices look ok
[11:04:27] <Zagrophyte> woohoo! Now I can put my BB in my attic! ;)
[11:05:06] <Zagrophyte> av500: Thanks
[11:05:17] <Zagrophyte> except the $199 for BB, hah
[11:05:41] <Zagrophyte> I will soon have two gadgets abbreviated BB, beagleboard and blackberry
[11:05:55] <Zagrophyte> if the Pre comes out on Verizon anytime soon, that conflict will resolve
[11:05:59] <av500> so hook up the BB to the BB
[11:06:12] <Zagrophyte> I very well could! :D
[11:06:22] <Zagrophyte> BB?
[11:07:04] <Zagrophyte> I've got a TTL serial bluetooth dongle I'm wanting to try out on it
[11:07:28] <Zagrophyte> (putting the USB side on the BB, of course)
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[11:07:35] <Zagrophyte> TTL on AVR
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[11:08:47] <Zagrophyte> hopefully eliminating the need for cable between BB and "robotic co-processor" :)
[11:08:47] <XorA> why does a bluetooth need a Time To Live :-D
[11:09:41] <Zagrophyte> No One Lives Forever
[11:11:44] <Zagrophyte> http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=582 love this thing
[11:12:30] <Zagrophyte> I love it slightly less when I found it doesn't actually work as a full cable replacement (no wireless AVR programming, etc) but whatever
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[11:15:59] <Zagrophyte> http://web.media.mit.edu/%7Eankit/bokode/ whoa.
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[11:37:49] <Zagrophyte> Rev C3 is what is currently shipping, yes?
[11:38:33] <Crofton|work> pretty sure
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[11:47:17] <Zagrophyte> The touchbook looks pretty neat. http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/touchbook/
[11:48:35] <Zagrophyte> basically the same as the beagleboard, but with a fancy case/screen right?
[11:49:33] <ThomasEgi> and batteries.
[11:50:11] <Zagrophyte> I am very tempted. :D
[11:50:30] <Zagrophyte> work would be comping me $300 of that
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[11:50:52] <ThomasEgi> afaik it's even based on the bb. and i think i read that upon request they even share layouts and stuff with intrested developers.
[11:52:32] <av500> yes, I have the schematics somewhere...
[11:53:33] <ThomasEgi> the touchbook schematics?
[11:53:43] <av500> yes
[11:53:47] <ThomasEgi> quite cool
[11:53:53] <Zagrophyte> If I had a choice between that and the bare beagleboard+accessories, it'd be a no brainer to pickt hat right?
[11:54:02] <Zagrophyte> touchbook
[11:54:14] <ThomasEgi> looks like it.
[11:54:16] <Zagrophyte> since I'm going to be using USB stuff anyway
[11:54:35] <Zagrophyte> ooh it has bluetooth also, one less USB port to worry about
[11:54:37] <ThomasEgi> thought you might loose the hdmi port or so
[11:54:42] <Zagrophyte> ah, true.
[11:54:51] <Zagrophyte> decisions decisions
[11:54:52] <av500> xept for the fact that BB is now and TB is sometime
[11:55:07] <ThomasEgi> arent they deliverin them already
[11:55:14] <ThomasEgi> just the waiting-list is long?
[11:55:19] <Zagrophyte> We currently face an important backlog of orders, so new ones won't be shipped immediately. But ordering today will ensure you a better place in the queue list. Also note that Software will remain in BETA during the summer with automatic updates. Click this message for more information. window.onload = blink_msg_alert;
[11:55:22] <Zagrophyte> !
[11:55:24] <Zagrophyte> :|
[11:55:43] <Zagrophyte> I require instant gratification *shakes fist*
[11:55:44] <ThomasEgi> but. having lots of orders is a good thing
[11:55:48] <Zagrophyte> yeah
[11:55:50] <ThomasEgi> proves that the concept is working
[11:56:00] <ThomasEgi> means. they make money. and where money is made. others want to join in
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[11:56:35] <ThomasEgi> and i like that, and if it's for the simple fact that those devices dont run bloatOS
[11:57:44] <Zagrophyte> yeah
[11:59:47] <Zagrophyte> This has thrown a wrench in my timetable...I suppose I don't reaaally need BB yet for the robotics, Arduino can handle that. And later when I get this, I can develop for both platforms at once (arduino and OMAP/linux) on one device...
[11:59:53] <Zagrophyte> *justifies to self*
[11:59:55] <Zagrophyte> lol
[12:00:33] <Zagrophyte> losing video-out is one downside
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[12:28:56] <Zagrophyte> Hmm, I want a development platform, not a smartbook, I can't imagine doing long development work on a tiny screen with no output. By the time I can re-afford the touchbook, it may have a newer revision out anyway.
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[12:59:46] <gaurang> how to get permission to directory
[13:00:50] <adj> gaurang: if you are referring to your earlier problem then you are trying to solve the issue from the wrong end
[13:04:14] <adj> istead of trying to get write permission to a directory (/) change the directory you are trying to write to, choose some directory to which you already have access rights
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[13:12:13] <gaurang> i am using ubuntu
[13:12:28] <gaurang> when i use super user
[13:12:38] <gaurang> bitbake is not running
[13:13:10] <gaurang> i try change directory
[13:13:19] <gaurang> i got error like thar
[13:13:34] <DaveDavenport> don't run bitbake as root.
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[13:13:47] <gaurang> Traceback (most recent call last): File "/OE/openembedded/bitbake/bin/bitbake", line 143, in <module> main() File "/OE/openembedded/bitbake/bin/bitbake", line 123, in main cooker.parseConfiguration() File "/OE/openembedded/bitbake/lib/bb/cooker.py", line 68, in parseConfiguration self.parse
[13:15:24] <gaurang> File "/OE/openembedded/bitbake/lib/bb/cooker.py", line 402, in parseConfigurationFile bb.fetch.fetcher_init(self.configuration.data) File "/OE/openembedded/bitbake/lib/bb/fetch/__init__.py", line 93, in fetcher_init pd = persist_data.PersistData(d) File "/OE/openembedded/bitbake/lib/bb/persist_data.py", line 52, in __init__ bb.mkdirhier(self.cachedir) File "/OE/openembedded/bitbake/lib/bb/__init__.py", line 138,
[13:16:56] <gaurang> OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/OE/tmp/cache'
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[13:23:00] <av500> gaurang: well, then dont use /OE....
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[13:23:47] <bobkatzz> gm all
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[13:23:53] <mru> morning bobkatzz
[13:24:02] <bobkatzz> how's things?
[13:24:26] <av500> busy
[13:24:39] <bobkatzz> that's good I hope
[13:27:05] <bobkatzz> how do I find out what packages are available at unstable dev? (it's been a while since I bitbaked anything - but I'm into it today for sdr-core)
[13:28:07] <bobkatzz> also I see in the recipe for jack the statement -- PACKAGES =+ "libjack jack-server jack-examples" but jack-examples is not located on the BB
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[13:28:43] <bobkatzz> although libjack and jack-server are
[13:29:42] <av500> questions _kOEn_ could answer
[13:30:51] <bobkatzz> ok - thought so :)
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[13:43:55] <bobkatzz> jkridner|work: there was alot of interest at my presentation of the Beagleboard to the Richmond Amateur Radio Club
[13:44:27] <bobkatzz> especially the QRP guys who are always looking for small, portable technology
[13:44:53] <mturquette> bobkatzz: i'm interested in what you're doing.
[13:45:10] <mturquette> is there a wiki page or something where I can see your progress to date?
[13:45:21] <bobkatzz> do you know what my project is?
[13:45:35] <bobkatzz> no - I'm supposed to be working on that :)
[13:45:40] <mturquette> you're using the dsp on the BB for SDR stuff, right?
[13:45:51] <mturquette> using softrock or some other radio frontend?
[13:46:02] <bobkatzz> but I've got to get everything actually working first and there have been several deadends
[13:46:05] <av500> bobkatzz: you have the slides?
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[13:46:41] <bobkatzz> yeah that's the project - no slides as of yet
[13:46:55] <mturquette> well I am a ham, I have a BB and I write code (including OE recipes). let me know if there are tasks you can delegate.
[13:47:23] <bobkatzz> I have a lot of documentation put together but not into a final documnet yet - I will begin that this week now that the hardware "sort of" works
[13:48:16] <av500> bobkatzz: looks like you have your OE hacker now :-)
[13:48:17] <bobkatzz> oh - for sure! right now we've got alsa sound, libjack and sdr-shelL
[13:48:34] <av500> maybe he can charm the snake...
[13:48:40] <bobkatzz> well the other thing I need is to LEARN how to do that as well
[13:48:47] <bobkatzz> :)
[13:50:28] <jkridner|work> bobkatzz: are any of the materials from it public?
[13:50:36] <bobkatzz> but even though sdr-shell will run, it can't display any signals unless sdr-core is running with jack-server so the dttsp portion of that family has to be EO/bitbake developed - is there a term for that? - crosscompiled?
[13:50:37] <jkridner|work> did you create a blog entry or anything like that?
[13:51:06] <bobkatzz> where jkridner|work?
[13:51:44] <jkridner|work> anywhere.
[13:52:00] <jkridner|work> just wondering if it is something i could put in the beagleboard.org RSS feed.
[13:53:06] <bobkatzz> oh - not yet - I really want to get the whole thing working and see what the fianl mix is - and right now that now clear - fldigi guys are adding code to allow the programming of the Si570 chip so (in the Linux version that is) that's an obstacle right now
[13:53:19] <bobkatzz> not clear -
[13:53:56] <av500> bobkatzz: you could start with the PDF...
[13:54:30] <bobkatzz> so it's either going to come down to fldigi / hamlib which is 90% working (especially with the PSK31 rigs that use serial for PTT) and then there is the sdr-shell group
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[13:55:26] <bobkatzz> jkridner|work: sure I can write up where the whole thing is right now - and add updates
[13:55:50] <jkridner|work> great. you might even want to tell people about it during http://wiki.omap.com/index.php/ETechDays_Lightning_Talks
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[13:56:20] <jkridner|work> I'm trying to use that event to catch everybody up on some of the projects going on.
[13:56:40] <bobkatzz> I'm being pig-headed about getting my original concept implemented - I tend to do that :)
[13:56:51] <bobkatzz> ok sounds good
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[13:58:17] <bobkatzz> yeah - I'd like to do that - it will solidify my documentation of the project
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[14:00:22] <bobkatzz> since I'm a visually - oriented person I want to build a "road map" if you will, of the dev box to OE/Bitbake/image/ to SD card to BB to Opkg - and out the other end - first for myself and then for others
[14:02:09] <bobkatzz> that's the way my brain keeps track of things - if I can't picture it in relation to other things it stays confusing - for instance it took me a long time to "get" where and what the final output of Bitbake was - now I know - it's much easier to understand the process
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[14:02:52] <bobkatzz> so anyway - visual aids like that
[14:04:38] <kniolet> sounds cool :-)
[14:06:44] <kniolet> i know what you mean about some of docs being a bit hard to follow, it took me forever to actually figure our how all this fits together (and im still sure i 100% get it)
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[14:08:17] <bobkatzz> one thing we've learned via the "Desktop Publishing" revolution/debacle (hehe) is that most human memory is best channeled through the visual cortex
[14:09:24] <bobkatzz> but we never intended for secretaries to publish the company Annual Report - it took us a while to wrestle that concept away from corporate America :P
[14:09:54] <bobkatzz> now they're doing web pages! :(
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[14:12:28] <kniolet> heh
[14:14:05] <sakoman_> tomba: ping
[14:14:32] <bobkatzz> jkridner|work: how do I sign up for that?
[14:15:04] <bobkatzz> mturquette: still there?
[14:15:56] <jkridner|work> just put your name and IRC nick on the wiki on the time slot that you'd like.
[14:16:54] <bobkatzz> I'll get you the links to the sdr-core info - I think there is only one step left to complete that chain - here's a diagram of the functionality
[14:17:07] <bobkatzz> jkridner|work: ok - I'll do that
[14:18:35] <mturquette> bobkatzz: yes.
[14:18:44] <mturquette> bobkatzz: i am at work, so its touch 'n' go ;-)
[14:19:33] <bobkatzz> ok - I understand - everybody a Capital One had two other projects going on their other two monitors hehe :P
[14:19:38] <bobkatzz> at
[14:19:49] <bobkatzz> we multitask
[14:20:44] <bobkatzz> and the content managment software we were required to use was so archaic and slow that you literally had hours of time on your hands
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[14:21:14] <bobkatzz> so did you get that diagram?
[14:22:06] <sakoman_> tomba: I'm trying to work with your latest dss2 patches at the current head of the l-o tree
[14:22:18] <sakoman_> tomba: most of the changes needed have been fairly obvious (i.e. IO_ADDRESS has changed to OMAP2_IO_ADDRESS)
[14:22:49] <sakoman_> tomba: but there are some clock errors that I thought I would get your advice on: http://pastebin.com/m1074fcfe
[14:24:04] <av500> bobkatzz: the sec doing it make sense, she has limited liability :-)
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[14:26:24] <bobkatzz> that was just a metaphor - actually the PC made us all our own secretaries :P
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[14:26:48] <djlewis> gm all
[14:26:56] <bobkatzz> the point is - entering into a filed where you have no training (let alone talent)
[14:27:03] <bobkatzz> field
[14:27:14] <djlewis> sakoman_: your hard at it early today.
[14:27:16] <bobkatzz> but you have a point
[14:27:18] <av500> gm djlewis
[14:27:31] <bobkatzz> hey djlewis
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[14:27:45] <sakoman_> djlewis: yeah :-)
[14:28:04] <av500> maybe a way to avoid the heat?
[14:28:09] <djlewis> hi av500 , bobkatzz I been following the logs as I have only had time for that.
[14:28:26] <av500> hope they was amusing :-)
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[14:28:37] <bobkatzz> yeah - I do that too - I was MIA for a couple of weeks there
[14:28:45] <sakoman_> tomba: ah, I see. Paul introduced es1 and es2 variants of those two clocks : http://www.sakoman.net/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=linux-omap-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=3c82e229f09a6acc8d24dc27c5e0e60b1d7161c2
[14:29:52] <bobkatzz> maybe sakoman can answer my question - how can I find out if a particular app is available at unstable dev for bitbaking?
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[14:30:10] <bobkatzz> would that be a "git" command?
[14:31:37] <djlewis> I spent yesterday updating this laptop from Kubuntu 7.10 to 9.04. I should not have tried to use Kubu 9.04.
[14:32:02] <bobkatzz> like git grep "sdr" ?? something like that? anyone?
[14:32:36] <bobkatzz> looking for sdr-core - in case I missed that somehow or we need to add it (we definitely need to add it if it's not there)
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[14:34:15] <mturquette> bobkatzz: when you get some docs thrown together please keep me in the loop. i'd like to help if I can.
[14:34:17] <sakoman_> bobkatzz: the git grep command would be a quick way to see if you get a hit in the recipes directory
[14:34:18] <bobkatzz> one thing about all this SDR software is there are two sides to the technology - 1) it can be used to tune a radio, receive and transmit signal. But that does NOT imply that it can 2) DECODE the various modes to and from keyboard and text
[14:34:33] <bobkatzz> ok tnx sakoman
[14:34:40] <bobkatzz> will do mturquette
[14:34:54] <bobkatzz> mturquette: KC4NYK here :P
[14:35:27] <tomba> sakoman_: hmm ok, I haven't updated my l-o tree for a week or so, I guess DSS2 has already been gone broken then =)
[14:35:50] <sakoman_> tomba: It is a never ending battle :-(
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[14:36:04] <sakoman_> tomba: I'm trying a fix right now
[14:36:14] <bobkatzz> so that's where alot of the apps that people are porting over to 1) Linux 2) the Beagleboard and other devices breaks down - my aim is to get the decoding part of it operating for ham radio use
[14:36:21] <Crofton> sdr is 2 not 1 :)
[14:36:22] <sakoman_> tomba: It hasn't been too painfull
[14:36:37] <bobkatzz> yes - exactly Crofton
[14:37:33] <bobkatzz> but they are both possible since many already have been implemented in other Linux "flavors"
[14:37:58] <Crofton> yeah
[14:38:10] <Crofton> if (likely()) ?
[14:38:15] <Crofton> if (unlikely()) ?
[14:38:20] <Crofton> curious
[14:38:21] <bobkatzz> the sticker right now for one family - Quisk -seems to be the wxpython challenge
[14:39:38] <bobkatzz> you want a list of likely and unlikely - rated on a scale of 1 - 5? :)
[14:40:32] <bobkatzz> that would be right handy - listing the various obstacles (the main one being me? :P)
[14:40:35] <Crofton> I think it is a way of telling the compiler that this is not a liekly case
[14:40:40] <Crofton> note sure how it work
[14:41:11] <av500> I'd be for if(surprising(...))
[14:41:34] <bobkatzz> Crofton|work: are you talking to me or sakoman
[14:41:40] <bobkatzz> ??
[14:41:45] <Crofton> heh
[14:41:48] <av500> to himself :-)
[14:41:51] <Crofton> the "world"
[14:41:53] <bobkatzz> heh
[14:42:00] <av500> irc is like twitter, no?
[14:42:05] <bobkatzz> so much for my multitasking
[14:42:26] <djlewis> didn't twitter follow irc?
[14:42:44] <Crofton> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/109710/likely-unlikely-macros-in-the-linux-kernel
[14:42:48] <bobkatzz> but in any case it gave me a good idea
[14:44:52] <mru> djlewis: what, an irc to twatter gateway?
[14:44:57] <bobkatzz> ok - I got that Crofton|work even though my experience is not that deep
[14:45:12] <bobkatzz> not a kernal hacker - just a kernal user :P
[14:45:21] <mru> irc is old as the hills
[14:45:25] <Crofton> I am having to learn kernel stuff
[14:45:50] <mru> Crofton: you sound like you don't like the idea
[14:45:58] <Crofton|work> it is fine
[14:46:00] <Crofton|work> jsut slow
[14:46:20] <djlewis> mru: yep i first saw this stuff in 89
[14:46:47] <djlewis> internet was very vacant back then compared to now.
[14:46:56] <bobkatzz> how deep does that knowledge have to be to understand crosscompiling and then (of course) recipe writing? I know sakoman gave me a good link to the latter but my lack of compiler knowledge kind ot left that being less than useful
[14:47:55] <djlewis> bobkatzz: studying the smaller recipe's helps make sense of them.
[14:48:01] * mru has a branch that's so likely it sometimes gets taken even without the condition being met
[14:48:04] <bobkatzz> I remember my son took me to Lunux Users Group meeting (he couldn't drive at 14 hehe!) and we would sit and watch kernal builds - great!
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[14:48:29] <mturquette> bobkatzz: KE5VDX
[14:48:30] <av500> bobkatzz: I do that daily
[14:48:50] <bobkatzz> yeah djlewis - I've done that - quite a bit - but something's missing
[14:49:14] <bobkatzz> there's some implied knowledge base there that I don't have
[14:49:39] <bobkatzz> 73 KE5VDX - do you work PSK31?
[14:50:02] <djlewis> i see scripting on top of the old fashioned ./configure, make, make install
[14:50:27] <bobkatzz> I'm all down for a one day "Crosscompiler OE/Bitbake Workshop" at um, VA Tech!!! :D
[14:50:38] <bobkatzz> or weekend
[14:50:58] <Crofton> bobkatzz, ?
[14:51:06] <djlewis> yep, a 'from the ground up' how to would be cool.
[14:51:08] <bobkatzz> I'll bring the Shish-Kebob! (or the Magic Wok)
[14:51:24] <bobkatzz> I'm serious
[14:51:33] <Crofton> when?
[14:51:39] <Crofton> and what event?
[14:51:41] <mturquette> bobkatzz: i don't have any ham equipment at the moment. i got my license earlier this year and I hate the idea of a non-SDR stack.
[14:51:41] <djlewis> too far to drive for shish-kabob ;)
[14:52:20] <av500> Crofton: you host that event of course
[14:52:23] <bobkatzz> I would suppose that after the fall registration chaos has subsided
[14:52:47] <bobkatzz> a one day "Crosscompiler OE/Bitbake Workshop" at um, VA Tech < - - - that
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[14:53:22] <bobkatzz> part of it could be streamed live via GoToMeeting or etc
[14:54:06] <djlewis> bobkatzz: i took a peek at sdr-shell, cool looking app.
[14:54:16] <bobkatzz> Tech license mturquette??
[14:54:42] * djlewis needs more coffee !
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[14:54:52] <bobkatzz> yeah it's nice - kind of parallel to Gnuradio I think - as I have not had time to play with that
[14:55:37] <Crofton> bobkatzz, how are you doing with sdrshell?
[14:55:45] <bobkatzz> but I'm betting you could build a heck of a family of test bench equipment with a BB and SDR/DSP apps
[14:56:16] <djlewis> bobkatzz: now you got my interest :)
[14:56:16] <bobkatzz> well - it works fine but without the dttsp (or sdr-core) it won't pick up any signals
[14:56:49] <bobkatzz> even though jackd and als seem to be running - there is some final connection that has not been completed
[14:56:52] <Crofton> what is the issue with dttsp
[14:56:59] <Crofton> ah
[14:57:03] <Crofton> so it is all built?
[14:57:28] <_koen_> does jackd actually work with asoc?
[14:57:41] <bobkatzz> it shows as being installed on my BB but for some reason not running - I'm still diagnosing why
[14:57:47] <bobkatzz> asoc? hi koen
[14:57:55] <bobkatzz> _koen_:
[14:58:16] <mru> _koen_: does $fancy_audio_stuff work? at all?
[14:58:52] * mru thinks of mike's jungle graph
[14:59:07] <koen> mru asked the question I intented to ask :)
[14:59:41] <bobkatzz> I see libjack and jack-server but not specifically jackd so just to see what happens I changed the boot file and replaced jackd with jack-server and it got further on and launched sdr-shell
[15:00:30] <koen> I added jack eons ago, but never tested it since the app only needed to link against libjack
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[15:01:42] <av500> damn, world ends here, was nice to talk to you all...
[15:01:51] <bobkatzz> yeah - that's what I found but then Fldigi did work so I kinda left sdr-shell for a while - but Edson Pereira is the goto-guy for sdr-shell and I've got a couple of emails out to him
[15:02:08] <bobkatzz> what world av500??
[15:02:23] <av500> the one "as we know it" :-)
[15:02:47] <bobkatzz> EMR blast? what?
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[15:03:10] <bobkatzz> memento_mori: Ouspenski
[15:04:54] * djlewis is switching over to pidgin for a test
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[15:05:11] <bobkatzz> and as I'm not able to be simultaneously in BB and my dev box (only one monitor hehe) I cna't give you the particulars _koen_ - but I'll round that all up and email it to you if you want
[15:05:40] * mru is happy to have ditched pidgin for irssi+bitlbee
[15:06:08] <djlewis1> mru: sounds complicated :(
[15:06:39] <bobkatzz> I think it's time for a list of sdr apps and which ones are a what % functionality (in a couple of categories) and what the necessary build out would be to get them to 90%/100%
[15:06:48] <djlewis1> its all part of getting this Sony Vaio laptop going withthe latest 9.04 Ubuntu
[15:07:12] <bobkatzz> I'll try to put that together
[15:07:30] <djlewis1> bobkatzz: you go boy, motivate them :)
[15:08:23] <bobkatzz> well now I gotta go apply for my unemployment funds hehe - compliments of Bear Stearns :)
[15:08:48] <bobkatzz> I'll jump back in when that's done
[15:09:05] <djlewis1> you one of those top exec's getting your second million ;)
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[15:09:23] <bobkatzz> not for lack of trying! :P
[15:09:25] <av500> mru: you know of another way round, have being paged on irc be fed to an IM network?
[15:09:33] <av500> s/another/the other(
[15:10:26] <bobkatzz> I didn't work for BS - they just had a hand in toppling the domino line that I was working in
[15:10:53] <_koen_> av500: multigator :)
[15:10:59] <bobkatzz> our parent company was a mortgage firm :(
[15:11:09] <djlewis1> well later then bobkatzz, dont spend it all in one place :)
[15:11:17] <bobkatzz> oh yeah
[15:11:18] <mru> av500: you could probably conjure something with irssi and bitlbee
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[15:11:24] <bobkatzz> bbl
[15:11:40] <av500> but bitlbee makes a virtual irc server, no?
[15:12:04] <mru> it's a local irc server, yes
[15:12:48] <av500> right, I could connect to my IM with bitlbee, then have and irssi script fwd pages to this channel...
[15:13:37] <av500> _koen_: it's written in a secret code... :-)
[15:14:09] <_koen_> av500: I only know of multigator because I know all the developers :)
[15:14:21] <av500> i assumed something like that
[15:14:34] <av500> "...written for Palm-sized Pocket PCs..."
[15:14:47] <av500> "...running Windows CE..."
[15:14:54] <av500> you sure these are your friends? :-)
[15:16:28] <djlewis1> they sound "Borg'ish"
[15:16:29] <mru> he didn't say friend, he said know
[15:16:37] <mru> know your enemy and all that
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[15:18:47] <_koen_> av500: heh, that gatorchat is only their commercial product, the multigator I was talking about is their anything-to-anything backend
[15:18:57] <_koen_> av500: irc to sms to email to im, etc
[15:20:13] <av500> yes, but where is it?
[15:20:34] <av500> its not free
[15:21:03] <av500> didnt SW want to be free or so? :-)
[15:21:44] <koen> yeah
[15:21:57] <koen> I thought it was OSS, but I was mistaken
[15:22:45] * mru imagines rms in the video for queen's I want to break free
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[15:23:09] * kniolet tries to never imagine rms
[15:23:09] <_koen_> aaaagh
[15:23:31] <_koen_> mru: I just visualized that :(
[15:23:55] <mru> disturbing, isn't it?
[15:23:59] <_koen_> it is
[15:24:03] <jipi> wo.. now i have 2 beagleboards that have the usb ehci problem.
[15:24:13] <_koen_> althought the stories about rms groupies were slightly more disturbing
[15:25:45] <mru> aaaaarghh
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[15:29:07] <mcz_br> hello
[15:29:49] <mcz_br> i wonder if anyone here tried to connect beagle to a PSP LCD 4.3"
[15:30:11] <mcz_br> or maybe any other kind of LCD
[15:30:17] <Zagrophyte> yeah, what's the LCD "port" on the revC?
[15:30:23] <koen> yes, as google would have told you
[15:30:42] <midcon1> hehe
[15:30:49] <mcz_br> i googled it :D
[15:30:51] <jipi> need to translate from 1.8 v to the 2.5v on the psp 4.3 lcd
[15:30:57] <mcz_br> ok .. we have that
[15:30:59] <koen> if you google for 'beagleboard psp lcd' the first 3 hits or so are relevant
[15:31:06] <mcz_br> i have found them
[15:31:15] <mcz_br> we already have the circuit
[15:31:31] <mcz_br> it should work ... but i have no good signals there
[15:31:38] <mcz_br> i think i should change the linux kernel
[15:31:53] <koen> in soviet russia the kernel changes you
[15:32:13] <jipi> ...
[15:32:27] <mcz_br> anyone here tried to do that?
[15:32:39] <jipi> mcz_br:modify the driver u meant
[15:32:40] <kniolet> koen: lol
[15:33:07] <mcz_br> jipi: yeah ... actually, i have found the driver for the samsung lcd
[15:33:20] <mcz_br> i am thinking about changing some parameters there
[15:33:31] <mcz_br> and activate it changind defconfig
[15:33:41] <mcz_br> but ... i wonder if it is just there
[15:33:48] <mcz_br> or i have to change other thing
[15:33:58] <midcon1> can you not pass arguments for lcd timings?
[15:34:08] <mcz_br> via bootargs?
[15:34:10] <jipi> mcz_br: i think there are many places that uses the sharp lq043 lcd. u shd look frm there rather than the samsung
[15:34:10] <midcon1> ueaj
[15:34:12] <midcon1> yeah
[15:34:23] <mcz_br> i do not know
[15:34:27] <midcon1> hehe
[15:34:30] <mcz_br> i tried to find ... but i couldn't
[15:34:36] <midcon1> do you have framebuffer support enabled?
[15:34:36] <mcz_br> devkit8000 has special bootargs
[15:34:48] <mcz_br> but they do work with beagle
[15:34:58] <mcz_br> and i do not have devkit8000 kernel
[15:35:04] <mcz_br> linux kernel
[15:35:13] <mcz_br> so i could find the other changes
[15:36:31] <midcon1> well.. i've never seen a kernel driver with the lcd parameters hard-coded into it
[15:36:40] <av500> koen: wasnt there ppl working on lcd add-ons?
[15:37:43] <av500> i mean, commercial...
[15:38:07] <av500> mcz_br: wait here for ds2 to wake up, he did the BB MID...
[15:38:13] <av500> ds2: wake up!
[15:38:51] <mcz_br> av500: thanks!
[15:41:06] <mcz_br> hey ... i found another bootargs
[15:41:10] <mcz_br> " video=omap24xxfb "
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[15:41:17] <midcon1> yeah.. you're gettin there
[15:41:21] <midcon1> should be a pixelclock arg too
[15:41:39] <mcz_br> midcon1: do you know where i can find more documentation about bootargs?
[15:41:42] <mcz_br> a list, maybe
[15:42:01] <midcon1> well.. i'm actually doing some dsp research here before i buy a beagleboard
[15:42:03] <midcon1> so i'm no expert
[15:42:10] <midcon1> and probably don't even know what i'm talking about
[15:42:25] <midcon1> but if it works similarly to other fb drivers that i have used
[15:42:28] <midcon1> then you're on the right track
[15:42:50] <midcon1> omapfb_main.c appears to be the driver source you need
[15:42:56] <mcz_br> thanks!
[15:43:11] <midcon1> np.. hope it works
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[15:48:07] <midcon1> does anyone have any opinions on the stability of dsp bridge?
[15:48:44] <midcon1> i seem to be finding good reviews and bad reviews
[15:48:59] <midcon1> not bad.. but less good :)
[15:49:14] <av500> reviews?
[15:49:21] <midcon1> ok.. comments
[15:49:26] <av500> url?
[15:49:29] <midcon1> mailing list postings
[15:49:37] <midcon1> http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/73457a485bc7afe6
[15:49:40] <midcon1> that's a good one
[15:49:54] <av500> right, would expect otherwise from felipe :-)
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[15:49:58] <av500> right, wouldnt expect otherwise from felipe :-)
[15:50:29] <midcon1> the other was a wiki conversation ... i lost the link in my history somewhere
[15:50:49] <midcon1> http://elinux.org/Talk:BeagleBoard/DSP_Clarification
[15:50:50] <midcon1> there it is
[15:50:53] <midcon1> newer
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[15:51:24] <midcon1> maybe just a disagreement on what 'stable' means tho
[15:51:41] <av500> ah right, dsp-gateway is the older one that nokia used in the past
[15:51:44] <mru> stable == I thought I saw it working once
[15:52:00] <midcon1> hahaha
[15:52:05] <av500> midcon1: I am working with dsplink now for 4ys and I would call it stable
[15:52:33] <midcon1> that's the newer/slimmer version of dsp bridge?
[15:52:50] <av500> no, thats the "other" dsp framework, driven from a different camp
[15:53:13] <av500> dspbridge: wireless ppl (and nokia), dsplink: ti catalog ppl
[15:53:19] <midcon1> good
[15:53:23] <midcon1> and fully open?
[15:53:44] <av500> the arm part is, on the dsp it needs dsp bios which is not open yet
[15:53:52] <midcon1> ok
[15:53:57] <mru> there are disassemblers...
[15:54:34] <midcon1> we have to buy all the TI tools anyways
[15:54:54] <av500> I can sell you some "used" :-)
[15:54:55] <koen> sweet, my beagle does 1080p24 :)
[15:55:01] <midcon1> i just like to pick open stuff when i can because the communities are more fun to deal with then apps engineers
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[15:55:09] <midcon1> hah
[15:55:17] <av500> midcon1: well, in this case they are most likely the same
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[15:55:33] <av500> coz there is no TI dsp open source apps community...
[15:55:45] <midcon1> we bought the tools for the DM6467 video encode/decode package
[15:55:54] <midcon1> that's not surprising :)
[15:56:05] <av500> ah, the dm700
[15:56:23] <av500> aka davinci HD
[15:56:24] <midcon1> it's for a different project
[15:56:26] <midcon1> yep
[15:56:43] <av500> _koen_: ooops, DM700 was secret, no? :-)
[15:57:42] <koen> isn't davinci hd 6467?
[15:57:47] <midcon1> yeah
[15:57:55] <midcon1> 720p encode/decode
[15:58:05] <midcon1> and the DM6467T on the roadmap will do 1080
[15:58:11] <midcon1> but...
[15:58:20] <midcon1> that's some other engineer's problem
[15:58:24] <av500> koen: yes, but I also remeber dm700 somehow...
[15:58:34] <midcon1> dm700 isn't a TI part that i can find
[15:59:15] <av500> midcon1: it is not a catalog name
[15:59:16] <mru> doesn't mean it doesn't exist
[15:59:30] <midcon1> true
[15:59:47] * mru doesn't know how you're supposed to know you want to buy them
[15:59:53] <zuh> if it's not in wikipedia, there is no such thing
[15:59:56] <midcon1> hehe
[16:00:05] <av500> mru: they send you a .ppt :-)
[16:00:10] <midcon1> the TI reps come out once a month and push new chips
[16:00:12] <midcon1> yeah
[16:00:13] <midcon1> exactly
[16:00:17] <_koen_> av500: heh, so true
[16:00:30] <av500> DM700 is the old monicker for davinci HD
[16:00:49] <midcon1> hrmm
[16:01:00] <midcon1> makes sense kinda
[16:01:06] <midcon1> like a 7000 series
[16:01:21] <av500> there is e.g. DM642
[16:02:05] <av500> ti used DSC/DM in the past, then added DAvinci and now is totally confused whether to use DM, Davinci or OMAP....
[16:02:28] <av500> a bit like intel cpu names nowadays :-)
[16:02:57] <midcon1> they actually have OMAP lines that are better then the DM6467
[16:03:24] <djlewis1> darn, my Ubuntu woes aren't over yet. I get a dull green only display in movie player..
[16:03:24] * av500 wairs for TI to rename the MSP430 to OmapLite...
[16:03:24] <midcon1> the 4000 series ones
[16:03:24] <midcon1> they just won't sell them to us unless we're sony
[16:03:24] <midcon1> or
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[16:03:24] <midcon1> samsung or something
[16:03:43] <av500> midcon1: 4000?
[16:03:47] <midcon1> yeah
[16:04:23] <midcon1> i think it's OMAP4440
[16:04:29] <midcon1> that is their flagship 4000 series
[16:04:32] <av500> right
[16:04:41] <av500> and now even there yet, so kinda hard to buy...
[16:04:48] <av500> now->not
[16:05:34] <mru> omap4 should be good
[16:05:46] <midcon1> they're only slated for high-volume customers
[16:05:58] * mru is waiting for some documentation
[16:06:17] <av500> midcon1: so, increase your orders...
[16:06:21] <midcon1> muwahahah
[16:06:31] <midcon1> i wish i could
[16:06:34] <av500> what are you doin?
[16:07:01] <midcon1> products for private jets
[16:07:14] <av500> you need beta tester?
[16:07:24] <_koen_> mru: three letter docs starting with an I ?
[16:07:29] <av500> you'd have to provide the jet though...
[16:07:32] <midcon1> hahah
[16:07:46] <midcon1> wouldn't that be nice
[16:07:57] <av500> I'm known to be good at breaking things :-)
[16:08:11] <midcon1> i'm working specifically on a moving map product
[16:08:32] <midcon1> hence the dsp questions
[16:08:42] <midcon1> i want to use the jpeg decoder in the dsp
[16:08:42] <_koen_> av500: I think the luminary would be a candidate for "lite" marketing, since they are cortex based
[16:09:05] <midcon1> we have used the luminary stuff for a while now
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[16:09:17] <av500> waz this luminary now???
[16:09:25] <_koen_> cortex m3 stuff
[16:09:31] <midcon1> luminary micro
[16:09:32] <_koen_> aka 32bit micro
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[16:09:38] <av500> ah
[16:09:40] <midcon1> with lots of peripherals built in
[16:09:43] <mru> _koen_: yep
[16:09:46] <midcon1> ARM + eth
[16:09:48] <midcon1> ARM + CAN
[16:09:50] <midcon1> etc..
[16:09:55] <_koen_> the brochure lists lots of nice litte boards
[16:10:00] <midcon1> cheap too
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[16:10:14] <_koen_> I'd love to see luminary companion boards for the beagle
[16:10:15] <av500> ah, the co that ti bought...
[16:10:25] * av500 remembers now
[16:10:46] <av500> _koen_: what for?
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[16:11:15] <_koen_> av500: you can compile stuff for it on the beagle and then use the periphal (e.g. usb2can, usb2eth)
[16:11:43] <av500> you can switch from can to eth with a recompile? :-)
[16:12:01] <_koen_> dunno
[16:12:13] <midcon1> i don't think so
[16:12:21] <av500> JIT silicon compiler :-)
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[16:14:16] <midcon1> oh.. they do have ETH + CAN chips
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[16:15:22] <mru> av500: jit compiler + fpga
[16:15:29] <mru> self-modifying hardware...
[16:15:54] <av500> only if the compiler runs on the fpga :-)
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[16:27:18] <midcon1> i think tho if you use one of the models that has ETH + CAN then there's no reason to recompile anything
[16:27:26] <midcon1> lunchtime
[16:27:35] <midcon1> my dog has the squirts... i hope my floor is clean :/
[16:28:00] <midcon1> thx for the input on dsp link
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[16:44:58] <mru> zuh: ping
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[17:09:17] <zuh> mru: pong
[17:09:52] <mru> zuh: there's a slight problem with your xv driver
[17:10:07] <zuh> What's that?
[17:10:14] <mru> it doesn't work if a putimage call uses a subregion of an xvimage
[17:10:32] <mru> http://cgit.pingu.fi/xf86-video-omapfb/tree/src/omapfb-xv-generic.c#n255
[17:13:47] <zuh> hmm, so it should offset the reading according to src_x and src_y, right?
[17:14:03] <mru> pitch != width
[17:14:12] <mru> src_w here is not always the width of the image
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[17:15:21] <av500> mru: but pitch is not passed in, is it?
[17:15:28] <mru> no
[17:15:49] <mru> not as an explicit param to the putimage call
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[17:18:07] <jipi> are there any practical workarounds for the usb ehci problem yet?
[17:18:49] <_koen_> jipi: see the mailinglist
[17:18:50] <av500> yes, wait
[17:18:58] <av500> or see the ML
[17:19:25] <jipi> i've seen the ML couple of times.
[17:19:47] <jipi> smartreflex & lowering of cpu frequency
[17:20:15] <av500> or connecting the phy to a stable voltage rail...
[17:20:56] <mru> zuh: http://cgit.pingu.fi/xf86-video-omapfb/tree/src/omapfb-xv-generic.c#n122
[17:21:12] <mru> that width not the right one?
[17:22:36] <jipi> av500:well. how do u achieve tt?
[17:22:59] <av500> tt?
[17:23:19] <jipi> koen: i've also tried out the pm++ kernel u put out
[17:23:39] <jipi> av500: connecting the phy to a stable voltage rail...
[17:23:41] <zuh> mru: I'm not sure at all anymore, it's been a while since I wrote that... The docs do say "represents a source of size width by height" but whether that means it's the pitch I cannot say :)
[17:25:04] <av500> jipi: soldering? :-)
[17:26:12] <jipi> av500: well. let me look at the layout
[17:26:36] <av500> jipi: Im not saying is done easily...
[17:26:49] <zuh> mru: I never ran into something using subregions and the docs are what they are... Is there a piece of code I could use to reproduce this?
[17:27:19] <jipi> av500: i believe so.
[17:27:19] <av500> zuh: just patch src_w to one half?
[17:27:59] <_koen_> zuh: omapfbplay :)
[17:33:53] <mru> why does my code always break stuff?
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[17:34:31] <_koen_> mru: your viking instincts?
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[17:35:02] <av500> mru: I had codec vendors implement width != pitch for me :-)
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[17:37:13] <zuh> mru: at least in this case, it's appreciated :)
[17:37:40] <av500> mru: break early, break often...
[17:42:49] <ds2> morning
[17:44:16] <_koen_> ds2: good morning!
[17:45:48] <av500> hey ds2
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[17:46:22] <ds2> hey av500
[17:46:35] <ds2> av500: does your omap3 board have both wifi and bt?
[17:47:23] <av500> the one in the shop has only wifi
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[17:47:52] <ds2> is the wifi physically close to the OMAP chip?
[17:48:39] <av500> ds2: wrong question
[17:49:00] <av500> everything is physically close
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[17:49:20] <ds2> good, that's what I was hopping to hear
[17:49:31] <av500> ?
[17:49:33] <ds2> did you guys have to do anything special to prevent the RF from upsetting the OMAP?
[17:49:56] <ds2> i.e. sheild the OMAP side or liberally apply ferrite beads
[17:50:14] <av500> hmm, there is no PCB porn of the unit on the web..
[17:50:43] * zuh grumbles at undocumented build systems with no dependency checking
[17:50:48] <ds2> I am just wondering if the BB would work okay if I stick an antenna too close to the processor
[17:51:09] <ds2> at 1.8V, induced voltages could cause BadThings
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[18:16:02] <djlewis_> av500: I can always tell when it is quiting time in europe.
[18:17:55] <ds2> heh... this reminds of the flintstones opening sequence
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[18:36:43] <djlewis_> hi ds2
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[18:45:14] <mcz_br> ds2: i am having some problems to utilize a PSP LCD screen with beagle
[18:45:26] <mcz_br> ds2: i was told that maybe you could help me
[18:46:55] <mcz_br> ds2: i woul like to know if i have to change only the bootargs to enable the display
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[19:02:08] <midcon1> has anyone used the jpegdec codec with opengles?
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[19:06:39] <_av500_> djlewis_: err??
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[19:07:43] <djlewis_> _av500_: just commenting on that quiet time when I get online and others go silent :)
[19:08:15] <_av500_> ah
[19:08:17] <djlewis_> i'd rather blame it on time zones than take it personally ... :(
[19:08:35] <_av500_> our was there 1st...
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[19:09:02] <_av500_> your folks insisted on going west...
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[19:12:42] <midcon1> it seems like the dsp jpeg decoder and omap display subsystem all expect YUV
[19:12:54] <midcon1> but opengl doesn't support YUV textures
[19:13:24] <_av500_> midcon1: omap dss can also do rgb
[19:13:31] <_koen_> sounds like you want to do texturestreaming
[19:13:36] * _koen_ quickly hides
[19:13:39] <midcon1> hah
[19:13:42] <midcon1> well
[19:13:58] <midcon1> i have large map tiles that i need to load to textures quickly
[19:14:08] <midcon1> so a software colorspace conversion kinda kills my idea
[19:14:52] <midcon1> i was wondering if i could use the colorspace converter in the dss on the yuv output from the jpeg codec
[19:14:59] <_av500_> no
[19:15:04] <midcon1> crap
[19:15:06] <mru> dss can't do writeback
[19:15:13] <midcon1> makes sense
[19:15:14] <_av500_> unless for display
[19:15:26] <djlewis_> _av500_: imagine how crouded it would be now if we hadn't gone west ;)
[19:17:02] <ssvb> midcon1: NEON yuv->rgb converter is mostly memory bandwidth limited, so it is pretty fast
[19:17:29] <_av500_> yep
[19:18:55] <midcon1> hmm
[19:19:12] <_koen_> crap, I still need to run the pixman tests on beagle
[19:19:43] <_av500_> against the sgx :)
[19:20:34] <bobkatzz> koen: ping
[19:20:47] <bobkatzz> oh there you are :P
[19:21:36] <bobkatzz> hey - can I use git to find out what packages are available at the unstable dev site?
[19:22:16] <bobkatzz> I looked at the command but there doesn't seem to be an equivalent of list or search like in opkg
[19:22:29] <bobkatzz> command(s) that is
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[19:22:34] <_koen_> bobkatzz: git will only show you stuff in OE, which aren't packages
[19:22:42] <ssvb> _koen_: I still need to finish pixman NEON stuff, but got preempted by something else
[19:23:11] <bobkatzz> so how owuld i find out what's available to bitbake?
[19:23:12] <ssvb> _koen_: and mostly uselessly wasted the last weekend on that usb crap :(
[19:23:17] <Zagrophyte> I'm trying to understand digikey's checkout process, is it just assuming backorder for the beagle, or is it really backordered even though lead time says tomorrow?
[19:23:36] <muriani> it's assuminh.
[19:23:40] <_koen_> bobkatzz: bitbake/OE creates packages from recipes :)
[19:23:47] <muriani> I ordered it with a lead time almost a month from the date of order
[19:23:49] <bobkatzz> Zagrophyte: if I believe everyone's experience is - just order it
[19:23:52] <Zagrophyte> muriani: so it should still ship normally?
[19:23:52] <Zagrophyte> ok
[19:23:53] <muriani> I got it 2 weeks after I ordered it
[19:24:23] <bobkatzz> ok so you have to specify where the code to be "baked" exists right?
[19:25:08] <bobkatzz> but don't you have to know what's available to include as DEPENDS?
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[19:26:58] <_av500_> bobkatzz: prolly all the other recipes
[19:27:08] <Zagrophyte> ordered! :)
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[19:27:36] <_av500_> Zagrophyte: good
[19:27:45] <_av500_> have a cookie
[19:28:03] <Kerba> hi, I'm preparing an online survey as part of my research work and I would need a few people willing to test the survey
[19:28:17] <Kerba> if you have about 5 minutes and if you're willing to help me with that, please follow this link: http://www.survey.open-innovation-projects.org//index.php?sid=36847&newtest=Y&lang=en
[19:28:26] <Kerba> it would also be great to get some feedback how it works ;-)
[19:28:29] <bobkatzz> ah ok so if it's in the recipes then its available - that makes sense
[19:28:33] <midcon1> O.o
[19:28:44] <bobkatzz> ok and what does the ${PV} var stand for?
[19:28:59] <bobkatzz> version number?
[19:29:16] <_koen_> bobkatzz: http://docs.openembedded.org/usermanual/usermanual.html
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[19:29:55] <_av500_> _koen_: ooh, the heavy gear...
[19:30:49] <bobkatzz> kewl! - got my weeks' reading then! :P tnx
[19:30:55] <_koen_> I *hate* writing stuff, so I tend to force stuff I wrote onto people :)
[19:31:40] <bobkatzz> that's a fine use of non-redundancy! ;)
[19:32:52] <bobkatzz> and i don't like to have to slog through 500 pages of stuff to find the one sentence that has the answer if someone can just tell me - But - I'm willing to :)
[19:33:05] <midcon1> ctrl + f
[19:33:25] <bobkatzz> midcon1: fsck
[19:33:33] <midcon1> :)
[19:34:04] <bobkatzz> that was the name of our first domain - fsck.org
[19:34:05] <Crofton> bobkatzz, we like to do work, not spend all day answering one sentence questions :)
[19:34:09] <Crofton> cool
[19:34:27] <bobkatzz> yeah I got that ;)
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[19:35:58] <bobkatzz> that's why I'm willing to poke around on my own until I get into a dead end - which is fairly often
[19:36:13] <bobkatzz> ok - going to go read now :)
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[19:52:36] <TurkSA> anyone had experience with using MMC3 on the BB?
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[20:00:28] <midcon1> so jpegdec output can be fed to openmax DL functions which will give me usable raster data
[20:01:06] <midcon1> it's not quite the perfectly parallel processing i was hoping for, but it's pretty close
[20:01:25] <midcon1> i think i like it
[20:02:01] <midcon1> lots of documentation too
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[20:12:46] <midcon1> is there any reason that it wouldn't be smarter to use the compressed texture formats supported by sgx
[20:12:50] <midcon1> instead of jpg
[20:13:18] <midcon1> how did i miss that before
[20:14:09] * koen recalls the sgx having problems with interlaced textures
[20:14:31] <mru> interlacing is just wrong
[20:16:50] <midcon1> well.. even still. i think i've read enough to give it a try
[20:17:44] <midcon1> it's between the 3530 and the freescale mx51
[20:17:51] <midcon1> and the mx51 isn't even legal anymore
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[20:19:50] <midcon1> thanks for your help today guys
[20:19:51] <midcon1> peace
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[20:23:34] <lifeeth> http, nice nick :)
[20:24:02] <lifeeth> rkirti, Done with your SoC?
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[20:25:57] <rkirti> lifeeth: yep
[20:26:07] <rkirti> lifeeth: you ?
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[20:26:15] <lifeeth> rkirti, I think so :)
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[20:43:05] <koen> _roger_: good morning!
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[20:52:29] <robsch> hi
[20:56:03] <florian> hi robsch
[21:00:08] <_roger_> _koen_ gm!
[21:00:49] <mru> _roger_: next request for compiler team: I need a way to request extra alignment of data
[21:01:03] <robsch> anyone running netbsd on the beagle?
[21:01:04] <_roger_> mru - ok
[21:01:11] <mru> gcc's attribute for this would be the simplest for me
[21:01:15] <mru> but anything will do
[21:01:21] <_roger_> mru - can you send me an example pls
[21:01:43] <_roger_> how's the ABI looking?
[21:01:47] <mru> good
[21:02:01] <_roger_> great
[21:02:12] <_roger_> have you been able to run anything yet?
[21:02:30] <mru> it crashed in neon code due to bad alignment
[21:02:42] <_roger_> i see
[21:02:50] <mru> I can do a build without neon
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[21:08:02] <bobkatzz> koen: ping
[21:08:43] <bobkatzz> or is it _koen_ ping :)?
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[21:09:13] <bobkatzz> when you built sdr-shell what source did you use?
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[21:10:18] <_koen_> bobkatzz: the one mentioned in the SRC_URI
[21:10:24] <bobkatzz> it seems that sdr-core is there but it doesn't show up on the BB
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[21:11:07] <bobkatzz> ok yeah I got that and looked at it and it is on my dev box from the build
[21:11:16] <_roger_> mru - can you use pragma's for a quick test?
[21:11:24] <mru> is there one?
[21:11:28] <mru> I couldn't find one
[21:11:29] <_roger_> i.e. #pragma DATA_ALIGN(var,align)
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[21:12:04] <_roger_> #pragma DATA_ALIGN(myArray,32); int myArray[1024];
[21:12:08] <mru> you have undocumented pragmas?
[21:12:10] <mru> great....
[21:12:22] <ds2> Mmmmmm undocumented pragmas
[21:12:39] <mru> is _Pragma supported?
[21:12:44] <mru> this needs to be done in macros
[21:12:45] <ds2> how will it cost to have a working #pragma SELF_BUG_FIXING 1
[21:12:47] <ds2> ? ;)
[21:12:56] <mru> #pragma dwim
[21:12:57] <bobkatzz> dttsp-new/trunk/sdr-core
[21:13:14] <ds2> mcz_br: eh?
[21:13:59] <bobkatzz> but I'm sure it did not get onto the BB and I know I tried to opkg it when I was in there yesterday and it couldn't find it - does that make sense? or is it under dttsp?
[21:14:34] <bobkatzz> that has to be running for sdr-shell to produce a signal from the audio source
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[21:15:45] <bobkatzz> gonna jump into BB land and confirm that
[21:16:15] <mru> ugh, no _Pragma
[21:16:26] <bobkatzz> will post the startup script also so you can see what's supposed to be happening
[21:16:36] <mru> _roger_: it needs to work on struct members too
[21:16:38] <bobkatzz> bbl => BB
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[21:17:13] <_roger_> mru - ok, quick example would be good and I'll take a look
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[21:23:34] <mru> hmm, it seems to work on struct members
[21:26:09] <_roger_> mru - you sound surprised :) - I'd still like to see example when you get a minute, so I can check behaviour
[21:26:27] <mru> brewing one now
[21:26:51] <mru> your pragma works of course
[21:26:57] <mru> but can't be used in macros
[21:26:59] <mru> and we need that
[21:27:19] <_roger_> yeah, I thought that'd be the case, hmmm
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[21:31:09] <mru> _roger_: http://pastebin.ca/1533045
[21:31:22] <mru> you should be able to guess the intent
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[21:44:19] <_roger_> mru - yep, thanks - I'll take a lok
[21:44:21] <_roger_> look
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[21:52:30] <bobkatzz> ok - more hacking more stuff running (sdr-core I think)
[21:52:33] <bobkatzz> :)
[21:53:00] <Crofton|work> cool
[21:53:20] <bobkatzz> some of the statements in the startup script were not formatted for BB environmnet so changed those and got further along - hung on jack_connect now
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[21:56:26] <bobkatzz> that may be a command also malformed
[21:57:29] <bobkatzz> the script is here:: http://code.google.com/p/sdr-shell/source/browse/branches/sdr-for-if/start_rx
[21:57:41] <bobkatzz> but I've changed alot of it
[21:58:41] <ds2> people really need to order stuff from DX first then complain about the digikey availability issues
[21:59:30] <bobkatzz> I thought most of Digikey availability was not such but just bad info
[21:59:56] <ds2> yes... compared to DX... :D
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[22:00:31] <ds2> 7 days now and still no shipment
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[22:00:59] <bobkatzz> send over the guys in black overcoats
[22:01:39] * mru sends guys in black coats
[22:02:42] <Crofton|work> send in the black helicopters
[22:03:09] <ds2> 7 days is not out of ordinary for DX
[22:03:19] <ds2> it just makes everyone else look so much better ;)
[22:04:34] <Crofton> anyone got part numbers for the power sully and serial cable?
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[22:05:29] <Crofton|work> cable damn it
[22:06:24] <ds2> hmmm these G wifi dongles are huge
[22:07:18] <bobkatzz> awwww - wifey-poo wouldn't take any of my beer that I offered her since it was the last one :-*
[22:07:35] <bobkatzz> so I gave her some nice white wine
[22:09:49] <bobkatzz> hmm seems jack_connect is a command
[22:10:03] <bobkatzz> that's the only thing failing now
[22:21:59] <bobkatzz> this would tend to say that jack_connect should be installed during the "make process":: http://guide.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1008723&page=2
[22:22:12] <bobkatzz> of jackd
[22:22:52] <bobkatzz> if anyone's following this you will need to Ctrl^F - it to find jack_connect
[22:23:06] <bobkatzz> it's a long page :P
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[22:34:25] <bobkatzz> whoa! - went back to my term window and jackd's runnin like a bandit!!
[22:34:45] <bobkatzz> just not displaying in frikkin sdr-shell hehe
[22:34:46] <mru> shoot it
[22:35:14] <bobkatzz> a shot the sheriff (but I did not shoot the dep-you-tee!) :P
[22:35:25] <bobkatzz> who sang that?
[22:35:39] <jkridner|work> uh, bob marley?
[22:35:57] <jkridner|work> (we'll ignore the remake by Eric Clapton for now)
[22:36:06] <bobkatzz> I'm not up on my "ganga tunes" :D
[22:38:33] <bobkatzz> so I posted a note off to edson to see what his take is on the absence (absinth?) of jack_connect is in the source that we got
[22:38:51] <ds2> heh "This drawing is unpublished"; yet I just downloaded from the mfg's site
[22:40:20] <bobkatzz> maybe at the time the page was created it wasn't hehe
[22:40:31] <bobkatzz> so much for updates
[22:40:59] <ds2> it certainly inspire confidence in the accuracy of an engineering drawing ;)
[22:42:40] <ds2> wonder what would happen if something similar happened with a drug... like if they left a note on instructions that say "caution - toxic, do not injest" ;)
[22:43:06] <mru> my favourite is when there are two versions, wildly different, one "obsolete", the other "preliminary"
[22:44:33] <ds2> heh
[22:47:30] <bobkatzz> which came first the dodo or the egg ?
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[22:47:44] <mru> or is that last?
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[22:59:05] <bobkatzz> ok gang - gotta jump back into dev box land and see where that takes me - bbl
[22:59:36] <bobkatzz> would really be cool if I had two monitors so I could keep the BB alive at the same time :P
[23:00:11] <bobkatzz> but - gotta switch em - sometimes it's like that -
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[23:01:21] <ant__> <mru> my favourite is when there are two versions, wildly different, one "obsolete", the other "preliminary"
[23:01:29] <ant__> worth quoting elsewhere
[23:01:31] <ant__> lol
[23:01:33] <ds2> monitor? get a LCD on the BB
[23:01:35] <ds2> :D
[23:01:48] <ds2> nice compact LCD + touch screen
[23:02:11] * djlewis_ is heading to the ponderosa guys, later...
[23:02:21] <ant__> mru: wrong channel ;) you're talking about #angstrom, isn't?
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