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  • [01:01:04] <lemay> hi folks
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  • [01:08:55] <djlewis> hi lemay
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  • [01:27:08] <lemay> how you doing tonight djlewis
  • [01:27:20] <lemay> see the perseides?
  • [01:27:27] <djlewis> pretty well lemay, how bout yourself.?
  • [01:27:35] <djlewis> fixin too.
  • [01:27:52] <djlewis> just getting dark here.
  • [01:27:54] <lemay> I'm good - trying to figure out a good filesharing/remote desktop option for this
  • [01:28:10] <lemay> it comes with x11vnc, so I figure I should learn to use that
  • [01:28:18] <djlewis> it is a little slow.
  • [01:28:22] <lemay> what do you do?
  • [01:28:34] <djlewis> synergyc for now.
  • [01:28:39] <djlewis> drop the c
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  • [01:29:19] <lemay> it allows filesharing?
  • [01:29:31] <djlewis> once it is mounted on the bot, IF i still have gui I might x11vnc
  • [01:29:56] <djlewis> what do you want type do you want to share?
  • [01:30:20] <lemay> eh, just an easy way to access the filesystem
  • [01:30:34] <djlewis> on the bot I wont use vnc to operstion, only maintenance.
  • [01:30:38] <lemay> and since I dont have a screen for it, a remote screen option would be nice too
  • [01:31:23] <djlewis> I expect it has samba installed and you can make it look like a windows or linux share
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  • [01:31:49] <lemay> hmm
  • [01:31:55] <lemay> I will play for a while
  • [01:32:11] <lemay> you said youve got a wireless ethernet connection
  • [01:32:24] <lemay> you mind talking me through getting mine set up?
  • [01:32:40] <djlewis> yeah, take a look at /etc/samba/smb.conf iirc
  • [01:33:31] <djlewis> I just figured out why one of my scripts was not running. I feel better.
  • [01:33:38] <lemay> :)
  • [01:33:51] <lemay> no etc/samba dir here
  • [01:34:24] <djlewis> do a 'opkg list_installed *samba*'
  • [01:34:47] <djlewis> I expect you are on your serial consile?
  • [01:36:27] <djlewis> booting up 2.6.29
  • [01:36:48] <lemay> no, I am squinting at the wall, waiting for the sun to set so I can see this thing :)
  • [01:37:09] <lemay> so, the command 'opkg list_install *samba* returned nothing
  • [01:37:36] <djlewis> so it is not installed.
  • [01:37:51] <lemay> seems not to be
  • [01:39:54] <djlewis> you would use samba for sharing from beagle
  • [01:40:13] <djlewis> or use linus stuff if just between linux's
  • [01:40:24] <djlewis> linux.
  • [01:40:30] <lemay> :)
  • [01:40:52] <djlewis> samba adds that windoze level
  • [01:45:00] <lemay> I got the x11 vnc server to work
  • [01:45:17] <lemay> now I can see things in daylight!
  • [01:53:51] <djlewis> heee.. I went out and fed some hungry skeeters. No persiads for me.
  • [01:54:48] <djlewis> I think the peak was about 0600 - 0700 UTC this morning anyway.
  • [01:55:19] <lemay> yea, midnight here
  • [01:55:32] <lemay> but I'm in the city - too much light pollution
  • [01:56:06] <djlewis> what city?
  • [01:56:33] <lemay> san diego
  • [01:56:43] <djlewis> Chili?
  • [01:56:57] <lemay> like chili, but california
  • [01:57:35] <djlewis> oh the peak. midnight, its not midnight there. DOH!
  • [01:58:13] <djlewis> i dont think it is midnight in chili either...
  • [02:01:42] <djlewis> i just fired up my RDV on wkstn and x11 perf is not as bad as I remembered.
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  • [02:02:17] <djlewis> good solution for no monitor :) but again, i got that covered.
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  • [02:04:30] <djlewis> evil skull demo runs real time on BB but bout 1.5fps in vnc hehee.
  • [02:04:58] <djlewis> no, that would be .75fps
  • [02:07:50] <djlewis> I read the rss feed on sec updates for Ubuntu a few minutes ago and now they are prompting me to install.
  • [02:31:21] <lemay> hey, I'm back - just taking care of pork roast leftovers
  • [02:31:29] <lemay> that meal goes on for days!
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  • [02:35:48] <djlewis> yep, I had you pegged :)
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  • [03:05:44] <lemay> go go gadget opencv
  • [03:06:06] <lemay> I'm installing it now
  • [03:06:17] <ds2> Hmmm
  • [03:07:35] <sakoman_> does anyone know whether the new rev C boards have the backup battery holder installed or are there just pads for it?
  • [03:07:48] <sakoman_> (RTC backup battery that is)
  • [03:07:58] <lemay> there are just pads, I believe
  • [03:08:06] <lemay> I've got a new board
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  • [03:08:33] <lemay> If you'd like I can pop open my case and peer into it
  • [03:09:04] <sakoman_> well, I don't want to put you to any trouble!
  • [03:09:19] <sakoman_> opening the case seems like trouble :-)
  • [03:09:27] <lemay> I don't mind
  • [03:09:42] * lemay gets out his can opener and hacksaw
  • [03:10:04] <sakoman_> root
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  • [03:10:08] <sakoman_> :-)
  • [03:10:15] <sakoman_> I do that at least once a month
  • [03:10:56] <lemay> lol
  • [03:11:02] <ds2> sakoman: From digikey, there are merely pads. From Special Computing, it comes installed.
  • [03:11:15] <sakoman_> thanks ds2
  • [03:11:19] <lemay> yea, just pads - two nice circles and a silkscreen outline around a component labelled bt1
  • [03:11:42] <sakoman_> I'm trying to figure out how to deal with dueling rtc's when zippy is installed
  • [03:12:02] <ds2> having the dualing banjo MP3 playing in the background? :D
  • [03:12:12] <sakoman_> sounds like a plan!
  • [03:12:22] <ds2> sakoman: I heard you want to put the zippy support in the same board file?
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  • [03:17:18] <sakoman_> ds2: but of course!
  • [03:17:43] <ds2> sakoman_: that does not sound scaleable
  • [03:18:31] <sakoman_> zippy has an onboard eeprom
  • [03:18:56] <sakoman_> we need a scheme to make it scalable
  • [03:19:03] <ds2> sakoman_: how does that make sure it will work with other boards?
  • [03:19:32] <sakoman_> the eeprom contains info about the config requirements
  • [03:19:35] <ds2> I would much rather see something like a Kconfig option for expansion board support
  • [03:19:40] <ds2> again, that is THAT board
  • [03:19:59] <sakoman_> the initial patch uses kconfig option
  • [03:20:12] <ds2> the gerald stuff got no where
  • [03:20:18] <sakoman_> nope
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  • [03:20:52] <sakoman_> but I bet if we came up with a simple scheme using a cheap eeprom others would use it
  • [03:21:13] <sakoman_> and those who didn't would be left to provide their own support
  • [03:21:25] <sakoman_> back in a bit . . .
  • [03:21:52] <ds2> hmm
  • [03:26:19] <lemay> hey djlewis, when you compiled opencv on the bb, did you run into any issues?
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  • [03:26:50] <djlewis> not with 2.6.29 but probs with everything else.
  • [03:27:04] <djlewis> some broken python-dev I think.
  • [03:27:39] <lemay> hrmph. I ran into an issue in the configure file
  • [03:27:52] <djlewis> pastebin it
  • [03:28:26] <djlewis> config.log holds the results
  • [03:33:00] <sakoman_> ds2: back now - and the "hmm" meant ??
  • [03:37:24] <sakoman_> one approach for the eeprom contents could be simple ascii text with device driver names and the necessary config info
  • [03:37:54] <sakoman_> for example the line for the RTC on zippy would be:
  • [03:38:11] <sakoman_> ds1307,0x68
  • [03:38:30] <sakoman_> for the ethernet interface:
  • [03:38:52] <sakoman_> enc28j60,4,0,20000000
  • [03:39:16] <ds2> phone
  • [03:39:23] <sakoman_> home
  • [03:39:32] <sakoman_> :-)
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  • [03:39:42] <djlewis> hi sakoman
  • [03:39:51] <sakoman_> hi djlewis
  • [03:40:02] <djlewis> U seem in a good mood this evening
  • [03:40:22] <sakoman_> I'm getting over the flu
  • [03:40:37] <sakoman_> Sore throat, cough, and fever are easing
  • [03:40:39] <djlewis> ugh! I thought you were getting over to many projects.
  • [03:41:14] <sakoman_> that too!
  • [03:41:55] <ds2> sakoman_: so you want "finish" the proposal that Gerald started?
  • [03:42:45] <sakoman_> well, gumstix want to start putting eeproms on their boards too
  • [03:43:08] <ds2> okay
  • [03:43:09] <sakoman_> and both they hand TCT seem tohave chosen the same eeprom at the same i2c address
  • [03:43:17] <sakoman_> hand = and
  • [03:43:18] <ds2> how do you plan to make this 'standard'?
  • [03:43:31] <ds2> I am one of the few other people that have boards
  • [03:43:40] <sakoman_> I don't :-)
  • [03:43:50] <ds2> clarify - have board designs
  • [03:44:18] <ds2> do you really want to have all the pinmux config in there?
  • [03:44:25] <sakoman_> you are welcome to climb on board :-)
  • [03:44:34] <lemay> djlewis, I was working on pastebinning it, but abiword crashed. What editor do you use again? nano?
  • [03:44:37] <sakoman_> no I don't
  • [03:44:48] <ds2> I want to make sure I don't have a fundamental conflict
  • [03:44:55] <ds2> it is too late for me to add eeproms at the moment
  • [03:45:00] <djlewis> nano for small files.
  • [03:45:27] <djlewis> cant you copy paste with vnc?
  • [03:45:37] <lemay> I bitbaked nano. now I need to get it onto the BB.
  • [03:45:40] <ds2> sakoman: so what would be in the eeprom?
  • [03:45:45] <lemay> I'm not sure how to do that
  • [03:46:18] <djlewis> share a folder on your wkstn and get it from there or make a r/w folder on beaglebaord
  • [03:46:28] <djlewis> or use a thumbdrive, easiest
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  • [03:46:35] <sakoman_> ds2: as I said above, my current thinking is driver name plus necessary config info per driver
  • [03:46:44] <ds2> sorry, I missed that
  • [03:47:09] <sakoman_> mux could well be a single digit expressing which of the 2 or 3 possible options to use
  • [03:47:18] <sakoman_> for a specific driver
  • [03:47:25] <ds2> I don't like the driver name thing simply because that can change as things get pushed upstream
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  • [03:47:35] <ds2> eeprom contents is likely to be static for the life of the board
  • [03:47:42] <sakoman_> of course
  • [03:48:01] <sakoman_> driver names change pretty rarely
  • [03:48:09] <ds2> drivers named one thing in the L-O tree can cchange name as it gets to K-O
  • [03:48:19] <sakoman_> if they do, it would require a board file change
  • [03:48:26] <ds2> it just takes ONE... esp. if the board is the reason the driver got pushed out
  • [03:49:03] <sakoman_> we could engineer this to death and never get anything done
  • [03:49:15] <ds2> what about a 16bit vendor id + another 16bit identifier?
  • [03:49:18] <sakoman_> or do something simple that will work for the most common cases
  • [03:49:24] <ds2> then the format is up to the the board implementer?
  • [03:49:26] <sakoman_> I hate that
  • [03:49:35] <ds2> why? works for PCI, USB, etc
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  • [03:50:10] <sakoman_> it means the board file changes every time a new vendor adds a board, even if it contains just a different set of common functions
  • [03:50:35] <sakoman_> the eeprom could definitley have a vendor id/identifier
  • [03:51:02] <ds2> I don't see how this would behave nicely if we allow it to be used on other system boards as things like the overo expose a lot more signals
  • [03:51:44] <sakoman_> I believe it could work for the overo case, but of course haven't proven it
  • [03:52:18] <ds2> I could see my boards having dynamic functionality
  • [03:52:32] <sakoman_> not sure what that means??
  • [03:52:40] <ds2> so I would much rather just be able to id the board and go from there...
  • [03:53:01] <ds2> I have a secondary processor acting as a I2C slave for now... it may become a FPGA that gets reconfigured at run time
  • [03:53:31] <sakoman_> so we could allocate the first 4 bytes for vendor/device and then you can have whatever format you like after that
  • [03:53:51] <sakoman_> and one verndor/device could support the scheme I am envisioning
  • [03:54:00] <ds2> yep. and maybe make a special vendor id that would fall back to your scheme
  • [03:54:40] <sakoman_> ds2: I suspect that you are going to end up having a custom kernel for that sort of functionality
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  • [03:54:58] <ds2> the vendor id thing can probally be managed as a Wiki on BB.org
  • [03:55:10] <ds2> sakoman: I am hoping to emulate stock devices
  • [03:56:00] <ds2> I wonder if the I2C slave on the MSP430 support a promiscous mode
  • [03:56:10] <ds2> that way I can emulate the eeprom
  • [03:56:43] <sakoman_> I want it to easily support the gumstix/tct model where there will be an array of boards that are all very similar, with mix & match features which are chosen from a relatively small set of functions
  • [03:57:08] <ds2> sakoman_: I am headed in that general direction but I suspect we have different features in mind
  • [03:57:24] <sakoman_> perhaps
  • [03:57:37] <ds2> eventually, I want to also use that to stash stuff like MAC addresses, etc
  • [03:57:44] <ds2> maybe even S/N's
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  • [04:00:34] <sakoman_> woot! seem to have a kernel for Beagle that works both without and with zippy
  • [04:00:54] <ds2> nice
  • [04:01:25] <sakoman_> no eeprom yet, just good fortune
  • [04:01:34] <sakoman_> but good for the interim
  • [04:01:40] <_av500_> sakoman_: your woot woke me...
  • [04:01:55] <ds2> the other way is to have subboard_skippy.o that gets included via Kconfig options
  • [04:02:21] <sakoman_> gm _av500_! sorry to wake you up
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  • [04:02:59] <sakoman_> ds2: there are folks like me who don't want to distibute multiple kernels, too much to keep track of
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  • [04:03:22] <ds2> sakoman_: how would that require extra kernels?
  • [04:03:32] <ds2> it would allow for it but not require it
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  • [04:03:37] <sakoman_> ah, I see
  • [04:03:53] <ds2> just like the L-O tree is suppose to all for 1 kernel to work on OMAP2, OMAP3, OMAP1, in theory ;)
  • [04:04:24] <_av500_> sakoman_: there was a darn alarm clock involved too...
  • [04:04:28] <ds2> problem with a EEPROM is you need to make sure the behavior is defined if it gets corrupted
  • [04:04:31] <vitaly_> Are you guys talking about connecting over expansion connector?
  • [04:04:37] <ds2> vitaly_: yes
  • [04:05:06] <vitaly_> I was thinking about adding eeprom there just the other day
  • [04:05:08] <_av500_> i see you are defining a new industry standard...
  • [04:05:23] <sakoman_> ds2: the defined behavior in that case for me is just the base functionality
  • [04:05:49] <sakoman_> no additional drivers get turned on
  • [04:05:49] <vitaly_> To identify board that is
  • [04:05:52] <ds2> Hmmm
  • [04:06:18] <ds2> sakoman_: and the board makers support folks are aware of this new gotcha?
  • [04:06:30] <_av500_> i like the i2c idea for pluggable stuff.
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  • [04:06:56] <vitaly_> Are there any pluggable boards?
  • [04:07:03] <_av500_> zippy
  • [04:07:09] <sakoman_> new gotcha? the current situatin i r worse
  • [04:07:23] <sakoman_> keyboard dropping keys!
  • [04:07:30] <ds2> sakoman_: not really... right now, it must be a hw issue if it don't work
  • [04:07:32] <sakoman_> current situation is far worse
  • [04:07:41] <ds2> vitaly: they exists in various states, but yes there are
  • [04:08:36] <vitaly_> Well, that makes me just another one, I guess :) I've made a couple and then hit the ID problem
  • [04:09:07] <_av500_> sakoman_: btw, we have a unified kernel for all our boards and a board type/rev id stored in a coproc...
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  • [04:09:50] <sakoman_> _av500_: much simpler for a single company with no 3rd party expansion boards
  • [04:10:01] <_av500_> coz we got sick of compilin one kernel per board config...
  • [04:10:08] <ds2> _av500_: what is the coproc?
  • [04:10:12] <sakoman_> agreed, that sucks
  • [04:10:32] <_av500_> an atmega, was msp430, does not matter
  • [04:10:45] <ds2> from a testing standpoint, one kernel per board is better
  • [04:10:48] <_av500_> poor mans triton...
  • [04:11:02] <ds2> _av500_: heh I see. I am thinking of using the MSP430 too
  • [04:11:23] <ds2> _av500_: got any free I2C eprom slave code for the the MSP430? :D
  • [04:11:32] <vitaly_> ds2: don't, I'd say Freescale is better
  • [04:11:54] <_av500_> ds2: for us having one overall SW for all products was much better...
  • [04:11:58] <ds2> vitaly_: freescale? do I know you?
  • [04:12:14] <_av500_> ds2: um, no idea
  • [04:12:39] <vitaly_> Dunno. Once I've made a fuss on mspgcc maillist ;)
  • [04:12:42] <_av500_> and then we also hotplug aroud 5 different accessories...
  • [04:12:58] <ds2> vitaly_: oh... I know a vitaly that worked on the freescale PPC stuff
  • [04:13:09] <vitaly_> When?
  • [04:13:29] <ds2> within the last few years, but he is in Russia
  • [04:13:46] <vitaly_> Oh, I see. No, I'm in States
  • [04:13:54] <ds2> ah okay
  • [04:14:28] <_av500_> hm, bike or tram...
  • [04:14:39] <ds2> _av500_: walk?
  • [04:14:49] <vitaly_> Freescale just gives better docs w/respect of chip internals, jtag/bdm and so forth
  • [04:15:26] <ds2> does freescale use jtag now or are they still BDM and you have to pay the applied materials tax to use it?
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  • [04:17:17] <vitaly_> BDM it is, but as long as I've used it I haven't heard about any tax, what's that?
  • [04:17:48] <vitaly_> I mean BDM for small/low power 8-bit chips
  • [04:18:17] <ds2> isn't applied material the sole source for the BDM debuggers?
  • [04:18:19] <_av500_> ds2: 5mi, so no walk
  • [04:18:34] <ds2> _av500_: so take a few hours
  • [04:18:47] <vitaly_> I've got ours from freescale
  • [04:21:22] <ds2> sakoman: so, do we have an agreement to take to the list for final ratification?
  • [04:21:32] <sakoman_> _av500_: how's the weather, that would help make my decision
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  • [04:22:35] <_av500_> sakoman_: rainy, tram is it...
  • [04:22:37] <sakoman_> ds2: I agree to go to the list for input
  • [04:22:56] <ds2> sakoman: want to write it up? :D
  • [04:23:06] <sakoman_> I don't know that I've ever seen anything "ratified" :-)
  • [04:23:28] <sakoman_> ds2: I'm not quite ready for that yet
  • [04:23:46] <_av500_> sakoman_: i vote for you
  • [04:23:50] <_av500_> yes we can
  • [04:23:55] <sakoman_> I want to do some trial implementations to convince myself that the pproach will work
  • [04:24:15] <ds2> sakoman_: okay. the flip side of the coin is to convince folks to follow it
  • [04:24:41] <ds2> sakoman_: who else do you know that has a board release that is imminent?
  • [04:24:53] <vitaly_> ds2: That's me ;)
  • [04:24:57] <sakoman_> yeah, but having a working implementation often is agood convincer
  • [04:25:15] <ds2> vitaly_: any thoughts on the EEPROM format discussed?
  • [04:25:21] <sakoman_> ds2: I don't know any more that you do :-)
  • [04:26:05] <vitaly_> I'd vote for 24-32bit mfg / 24-32 bit board id
  • [04:26:19] <vitaly_> 16 bit is too small
  • [04:26:31] <_av500_> eeprom would allow ppl to make an addon with "standard" components without even touching the kernel...
  • [04:26:49] <vitaly_> _av500_: right
  • [04:26:56] <sakoman_> do you really think there will be more that 65K add on vendors for beagle?
  • [04:26:58] <ds2> you imagine having more then 16million people making boards?
  • [04:27:14] <_av500_> maybe the chinese :)
  • [04:27:15] <sakoman_> _av500_: bingo - that's my goal
  • [04:27:17] <vitaly_> sakoman: remember IPv4?
  • [04:27:35] <sakoman_> no comparison
  • [04:27:44] <vitaly_> and yet...
  • [04:27:44] <ds2> some people will be emulating this eeprom and we only have maybe 64bytes or so to spare
  • [04:27:52] <_av500_> 16:16 works for usb fine...
  • [04:28:04] <sakoman_> agreed, lets not get carried away!
  • [04:28:16] <vitaly_> Whoa! I've been talkin' 4 bytes!
  • [04:28:29] <vitaly_> Sorry, I misunderstood then
  • [04:28:35] <sakoman_> these eeproms ony have 128 bytes :-)
  • [04:28:44] <ds2> 10bits is probally enough but it is an ugly size to deal with
  • [04:29:06] <_av500_> make 4 bits reserved
  • [04:29:07] <vitaly_> Why not just 4 bytes each?
  • [04:29:10] <ds2> sakoman_: we shouldn't impose a particular eeprom... I don't want to waste room to toss in another SOT-6 or SOIC package
  • [04:29:15] <sakoman_> why not just 2?
  • [04:29:22] <vitaly_> Too few
  • [04:29:34] <sakoman_> I agree, but for cost reasons 128 will be most common
  • [04:30:02] <vitaly_> They will end up being taken and wasted. But 4 should be fine I guess
  • [04:30:04] <ds2> sakoman_: only if you use a seperate eeprom. I want to emulate it with a coprocessor which may have different resources
  • [04:30:32] <sakoman_> ds2: yeah, but I suspect you will be in the minority
  • [04:30:46] <vitaly_> And 4 wouldn't be too taxing on emulator, right ds2?
  • [04:31:09] <ds2> vitaly_: like I said, the chip I am using has only about 64bytes so it would be too many
  • [04:31:24] <ds2> sakoman_: didn't _av500_ just describe a similar scheme?
  • [04:31:31] <_av500_> yes
  • [04:31:36] <vitaly_> sakoman_: What 4 you want 12 bytes?
  • [04:31:48] <ds2> and I guess I can tip things by releasing free code }:-)
  • [04:31:49] <vitaly_> ds2: 64bytes of flash?
  • [04:31:55] <ds2> vitaly_: of dataflash
  • [04:32:25] <vitaly_> ds2: What prevents you from keeping it in the code area?
  • [04:32:32] <_av500_> vitaly_: bits
  • [04:32:38] <vitaly_> ?
  • [04:32:44] <ds2> vitaly_: testing. code area should not be touched unnecessarily
  • [04:32:50] <sakoman_> ds2: yes he did. will _av500_'s employer be offering beagle & overo expansion boards? Cool!!!
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  • [04:33:02] <sakoman_> :-)
  • [04:33:15] <ds2> sakoman_: I would be happy to push this scheme onto a few more boards
  • [04:33:37] <ds2> sakoman_: btw, is the eeprom in question a 1.8V R/W able eeprom?
  • [04:33:42] <_av500_> w need to form a cabal
  • [04:33:50] <sakoman_> yes
  • [04:34:02] <vitaly_> sakoman_: What 4 you want 128 bytes? (corrected)
  • [04:34:03] <sakoman_> (to ds2's question)
  • [04:34:33] <sakoman_> vitaly_: the eeprom folks are using has only 128 bytes
  • [04:34:38] <ds2> sakoman_: you just took away 20% of my objection. I will fight any proposals that requires yet-another-level xlator
  • [04:35:02] <sakoman_> ds2: FWIU they are very cheap too
  • [04:35:06] <vitaly_> sakoman_: 24AA00T-I/OT I deem?
  • [04:35:26] <ds2> sakoman_; I am thinking of other issues besides costs
  • [04:35:30] <_av500_> ds2: but ti lives from sellin lvl transl
  • [04:35:39] <sakoman_> at24c01
  • [04:36:00] <ds2> _av500_: <insert comment about applying lips to the body part where the legs connect to the torso)
  • [04:36:22] <vitaly_> sakoman_: ahh, almost the same. But I still don't get your reasoning on 128 bytes
  • [04:36:25] <ds2> it is free if one is emulating it so cost just isn't that much of an issue
  • [04:36:30] <ds2> sakoman_: what package?
  • [04:36:59] <sakoman_> ds2: shrug - I don't know! it is very tiny :-)
  • [04:37:20] <ds2> sakoman_: that would preclude hand assembled boards
  • [04:37:27] <_av500_> ds2: i will quote you ;)
  • [04:37:39] <vitaly_> ds2: 24aa00 comes in 5pin sot-23 and is <20c in low volume
  • [04:37:44] <ds2> IMO, it should be at least a SOT-23 or better
  • [04:38:00] <sakoman_> look at the data sheet - I am sure there are options
  • [04:38:01] <ds2> _av500_: :)
  • [04:38:52] <ds2> vitaly_: I don't really care about the cost.
  • [04:39:03] <vitaly_> Well, I do ;)
  • [04:39:22] <ds2> vitaly_: it could be free if emulated in a processor that is already needed for something else
  • [04:39:48] <ds2> I care more if it is available only as a 6 ball mini bga
  • [04:39:49] <sakoman_> vitaly_: I don't want to waste 8 - 16 bytes out of those 128 on vendor/device id
  • [04:40:01] <vitaly_> ds2: Sure, nothing prevents you from doing just that
  • [04:40:17] <ds2> cost is a solveable issue
  • [04:40:20] <sakoman_> ds2: it isn't that tiny :-)
  • [04:40:54] <ds2> sakoman_: heh... maybe I been spending too much time with folks doing things on a board smaller then the Overo ;)
  • [04:41:16] <sakoman_> ds2: I could hand solder the package they are using
  • [04:41:18] <vitaly_> sakoman_: why not 32 bit vendor + 16 bit board then?
  • [04:41:35] <_av500_> 16.16
  • [04:41:46] <sakoman_> vitaly_: because I believe that it is a waste of 3 bytes :-)
  • [04:41:48] <_av500_> works for usb
  • [04:41:55] <djlewis> night all...
  • [04:42:03] <_av500_> 16.8
  • [04:42:04] <sakoman_> I vote grudgingly for 16.16
  • [04:42:04] <ds2> night djlewis
  • [04:42:09] <vitaly_> _av500_ 16 for mfg is too few, 24 is a minimum I guess
  • [04:42:11] <sakoman_> gn djlewis
  • [04:42:19] <vitaly_> gn djlewis
  • [04:42:32] <ds2> 16:8 since we are all making demands }:-)
  • [04:42:47] <djlewis> :)
  • [04:42:47] <vitaly_> 24:16 ;))))))))
  • [04:43:16] <vitaly_> Ok, 24:8 ;))))))))
  • [04:43:36] <ds2> sakoman_: do you think it is worthwhile donning the asbestos suit and taking this to the L-O list also to try to get the Zoom folks involved?
  • [04:43:38] <_av500_> vitaly_: 16 is fine, see usb vid
  • [04:43:41] <sakoman_> why do you think there will be so may vendor id's required?
  • [04:44:19] <sakoman_> it boggles the mind that beagle/overo could even support a few dozen add on board manufacturers
  • [04:44:34] <sakoman_> there just is not the volume for that to happen
  • [04:44:37] <vitaly_> Cause they go out of business leaving ID's stalled
  • [04:44:58] <ds2> I'd hope thhe experimenters can follow along too
  • [04:45:39] <vitaly_> Oh, let's do the following, if bit 7 is '0', then mfg is 8 bit (7 really), otherwise it's 24
  • [04:45:51] <_av500_> vitaly_: it does not matter, coz ids canbe also reused if you stick to the same format
  • [04:46:34] <vitaly_> _av500_: well, in practice it's hard to achieve, as there would be boards in the field and driver in kernel...
  • [04:46:39] <sakoman_> ds2: I suspect that the list will result in a lot of discussions like this that don't deal with the real issues :-)
  • [04:46:54] <_av500_> ja
  • [04:48:14] <vitaly_> So, why not make it expandable, starting with 8:8?
  • [04:48:41] <vitaly_> That solves everything, no?
  • [04:49:36] <ds2> sakoman_: even the L-O list?
  • [04:50:25] <ds2> vitaly_: worse is is we will have an "EXPANSION" vendor that describes the next 4 bytes as something else.... we can cross that bridge when we need to
  • [04:50:26] <sakoman_> that would likely be better, though I'm not sure how many folks there have an interest in expansion boards
  • [04:50:46] <ds2> sakoman_: the situation applies to the Zoom
  • [04:51:13] <sakoman_> but I definitely think that is a better forum, since the agreement of that crowd is required if we ever want to get patches pushed upstream
  • [04:51:14] <vitaly_> ds2: Why is it 'worse'? Who cares?
  • [04:51:39] <ds2> vitaly_: I am saying starting with 16:16 is fine. if we have to, we can expand it
  • [04:51:57] <ds2> sakoman_: indeed but proposals on there can require asbestos suits
  • [04:52:12] <vitaly_> ds2: but if it is expandable, even 8:8 should be fine, right?
  • [04:52:13] <sakoman_> that is true everywhere though it seems
  • [04:52:21] <ds2> unless you are personal friends with Tony ;)
  • [04:52:33] <ds2> sakoman_: the beagle list seems to be less of that
  • [04:52:56] <sakoman_> ds2: I've found the l-o list to be very codial for things I have been involved in
  • [04:53:46] <sakoman_> tony is easy-going, it is his upstream lord and master who can be quite prickly :-)
  • [04:53:59] <ds2> sakoman_: I found it less so
  • [04:54:14] <ds2> indeed, on the upstream lord
  • [04:55:03] <ds2> back when I was a sapling, I got jumped on by folks
  • [04:55:44] <vitaly_> That's the way it is ;)
  • [04:56:51] <lemay> gumstix looks fun
  • [04:57:01] <vitaly_> So, anyone has anything against expandable by bit 7 to one more byte?
  • [04:57:19] <vitaly_> starting with 8:8?
  • [04:58:18] <ds2> sakoman_: what about this? we convince Gerald and have him decreed it? ;)
  • [04:59:09] <sakoman_> decrees typically don't work very well
  • [04:59:26] <ds2> we need some kind of authority to back it
  • [04:59:28] <vitaly_> I can supply few protos right away and boards in 2-3 wks
  • [05:00:09] <sakoman_> simple, clean implementations usually wield a lot of convincing power
  • [05:00:14] <vitaly_> I have SD-card expansion boards made
  • [05:00:39] <vitaly_> Once there's working hardware...
  • [05:00:42] <sakoman_> I already have a handfull of boards with eeproms
  • [05:01:04] <vitaly_> sakoman_: generally available?
  • [05:01:07] <sakoman_> so for me hw isn't the issue
  • [05:01:36] <sakoman_> some are, some will be, one for beagle, several for overo
  • [05:02:05] <vitaly_> sakoman_: What's for beagle? Can I take a look?
  • [05:02:25] <sakoman_> it's the tincan zippy that has been discussed here for a while
  • [05:02:35] <vitaly_> ahhhhhhhh...
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  • [05:06:34] * ds2 does the happy dance
  • [05:06:42] <ds2> New LCD + TS works!!!
  • [05:06:56] <_av500_> pics
  • [05:06:59] <vitaly_> ds2: cheers! ;)
  • [05:07:33] <ds2> _av500_: "soon"
  • [05:07:47] <sakoman_> ds2: congrats! which display this time round?
  • [05:07:50] <ds2> and this one works better then the POS SharpLCD
  • [05:08:04] <ds2> sakoman_: A closer relative to the Overo LCD
  • [05:08:26] <sakoman_> I've been working on a couple new LCD's too
  • [05:09:02] <ds2> sakoman_: you don't have to explain to your funding source why your board layout doesn't work when it doesn't work ;)
  • [05:09:28] <ds2> what a relief to have yourboard layout workon the first rev
  • [05:09:49] <sakoman_> no, I usually have to explain to them why *their* board layout isn't working :-)
  • [05:11:01] * sakoman_ hates LCD panels that need SPI configuration to work
  • [05:16:24] <av500> sakoman_: thats how it is I guess...
  • [05:17:07] <av500> we have to use spi too...
  • [05:17:22] <sakoman_> yeah, it is quite common on panels
  • [05:17:36] * av500 hates to have to go through 3 LCDs in a product lifecycle...
  • [05:17:55] <ds2> av500: I am on my second one
  • [05:18:02] <av500> ds2: see
  • [05:18:17] <sakoman_> a lot of them don't bring out the miso line, so you just have to treat it like write only memory :-)
  • [05:18:24] <av500> now, try to buy 100k and you'll be on the 3rd quickly...
  • [05:18:30] <ds2> av500: the quality of 480x272 LCDs vary it seems
  • [05:18:36] <sakoman_> just bast that data out there and hope for the best :-)
  • [05:18:39] <sakoman_> blast
  • [05:18:45] <av500> boost
  • [05:18:49] <ds2> av500: at 100K, do you talk to mfgs or still distributors?
  • [05:19:13] <av500> what are "distributors"? :-)
  • [05:19:14] <ds2> sakoman: and this is not the share a single line SPI implementation?
  • [05:19:29] <sakoman_> sadly no
  • [05:19:35] <ds2> oh :P
  • [05:19:49] <sakoman_> makes debugging interesting
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  • [05:20:22] <sakoman_> since documentation usually sucks too
  • [05:20:25] <av500> and you need it in the boot loader for splash screen...
  • [05:20:41] <sakoman_> of course
  • [05:21:13] <ds2> you got documentation?! lucky :P
  • [05:21:34] <av500> ds2: you get it for a 100k order...
  • [05:22:05] <ds2> av500: I can safely say I am not in purchasing :D
  • [05:22:50] <av500> hm, browsing imagebin yields this: http://imagebin.ca/view/lvlHY-R.html
  • [05:23:33] <sakoman_> that looks familiar :-)
  • [05:23:55] <sakoman_> I believe it is from djlewis
  • [05:24:16] <ds2> that had me surprised
  • [05:24:35] <ds2> (the HY-R.html part at the end)
  • [05:24:48] <sakoman_> heh
  • [05:25:18] <sakoman_> what are the chances the random url would be your company name
  • [05:26:00] <lemay> I just figured out why vnc was not working quite right
  • [05:26:08] <lemay> I'm running synergy
  • [05:26:52] <ds2> =)
  • [05:26:56] <lemay> so every time I moved my mouse over the remote desktop, synergy thought my mouse was on the other computer, and jerked my mouse off the remote desktop
  • [05:27:51] <lemay> "boy this thing is tough to get configured right!"
  • [05:28:54] <vitaly_> ds2: I still don't get, do you agree to an expandable format?
  • [05:33:21] <ds2> Just to keep it simple, 16:16 and be done with.
  • [05:33:56] <ds2> It works well enough for many things. not going to waste time convincing folks of something different with all the existing examples - USB and PCI
  • [05:34:41] <vitaly_> ok then, 16:16 it is ^-^
  • [05:34:48] <av500> works for me
  • [05:40:19] <sakoman_> gn all
  • [05:40:36] <ds2> night sakoman
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  • [05:46:25] <lemay> from within angstrom, how do I adjust the screen resolution?
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  • [06:54:12] <methril|work> good morning
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  • [06:55:25] <Zee> Hi, which resolutions are supported in DVI (parallel bypass mode)? is 720x480 supported?
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  • [06:57:58] <ds2> yes
  • [06:58:10] <ds2> (as far as the hw is concerned)
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  • [06:58:55] <Zee> ds2: what do u mean by hw, is it lcd panel?
  • [07:00:33] <Zee> ds2: actually s-video supports only 720x480 and i want to add this resolution in DVI as well, to configure both the drivers at the same resolution
  • [07:00:33] <ds2> I mean the LCD controller in the OMAP. The "DSS"
  • [07:01:09] <Zee> ds2: i m using OMAP3530
  • [07:01:28] <Zee> Beagle Board
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  • [07:03:01] <ds2> okay, and your point is?
  • [07:03:19] <Animule> My cat can eat a whole watermelon.
  • [07:03:58] <Zee> ds2: my point is, can i configure the DVI driver to support 720x480 resolution?
  • [07:08:34] <vitaly_> Zee: Why not?
  • [07:09:43] <ds2> and my pont is yes
  • [07:09:52] <ds2> you might have to write software to do it but yes you can
  • [07:09:59] <av500> yes we can!
  • [07:10:16] <Zee> vitaly: Thanks, one thing more plz. is it possible to output the frame buffer data to both the s-video and HDMI port at the same time?
  • [07:10:23] <av500> yes
  • [07:11:31] <Zee> but there is a bit in DISPC_GFX_ATTRIBUTES to be set for 24-bit digital out put and need to clear for LCD out put.
  • [07:12:08] <av500> ?
  • [07:12:12] <Zee> So how i can take output on both ports at the same time from the same frame buffer?
  • [07:13:12] <Zee> I mean, i have to set the bit 8 of DISPC_GFX_ATTRIBUTES for taking TV out put and clearing the same bit for taking LCD output
  • [07:13:49] <Zee> i cant take both the outputs at the same time, is it not possible?
  • [07:14:43] <vitaly_> Zee: I never tried it this way. Try and see if it works.
  • [07:16:30] <Zee> vitaly: ok. how to add the support of 780x480 resolution in DVI? any idea.help required plz
  • [07:17:52] <vitaly_> Zee: First and foremost, try kernel cmdline, same way as it is done in the descriptions everywhere. I think that should work.
  • [07:18:28] <Zee> vitaly: ok. thanks a lot.
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  • [07:19:08] <vitaly_> ==> Good day to all who's enjoying the light and gnite to all the rest of us <===
  • [07:19:33] <av500> Zee: hmmm
  • [07:20:15] <_koen_> good morning all
  • [07:20:36] <vitaly_> _koen_: It's nite here :)
  • [07:21:50] <vitaly_> _koen_: But 2 u, good morning anyways :)
  • [07:22:06] <vitaly_> ......... Heading home .............
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  • [07:27:45] <_koen_> vitaly_: http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html
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  • [07:30:02] <sk97> i write a driver which needs access to gpio pins, i think of passing the gpio numbers from board file using platform strcuture. i dont see any such reference in kernel. is this the correct way to do
  • [07:30:24] <sk97> i am new to linux driver development
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  • [07:40:11] <ds2> take a look at the GPIO key driver
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  • [07:45:20] <sk97> ds2: input/keyboard/gpio_keys.c but how the gpio numbers passed to it
  • [07:47:04] <sk97> if i got a driver - it takes 3 gpios - wakeup_gpio, reset gpio and power gpio - i put all this in one structure in a board file and sent it
  • [07:47:47] <sk97> but i dont know if it is correct way to do - i see that most of the board files provide call back function to do reset and power up activity which the driver calls
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  • [07:48:12] <sk97> so which is better
  • [07:48:26] <ds2> before doing anything else, read the docs on the platform driver model.
  • [07:48:38] <ds2> then look at the gpio key driver again
  • [07:48:57] <ds2> finally, only after looking at both, then ask again.
  • [07:50:39] <av500> Zee: looks like you are right :-(
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  • [07:57:05] <av500> Zee: but of course you can configure one of the video planes to show the same framebuffer as the GFX and sent GFX to HDMI and video to TV
  • [07:57:23] <av500> (in 32bit RGBA mode)
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  • [08:29:29] <diorahman> av500:
  • [08:29:33] <diorahman> av500: ping
  • [08:29:54] <diorahman> av500: is it safe to create something like: #pragma DATA_SECTION(spxHeap, ".myheap");
  • [08:29:55] <diorahman> static char spxHeap[SPEEX_PERSIST_STACK_SIZE];
  • [08:29:55] <diorahman> #pragma DATA_SECTION(spxScratch, ".myheap");
  • [08:29:55] <diorahman> static char spxScratch[SPEEX_SCRATCH_STACK_SIZE];
  • [08:30:15] <diorahman> av500: inside the codec?
  • [08:32:01] <av500> on the DSP?
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  • [08:44:34] <booxter> is there any way to delay IP-Config bootup step until USB Ethernet device is detected?
  • [08:45:14] <booxter> I need NFSROOT boot, but my usb eth (pegasus) device is detected after ip configuration fails for eth0
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  • [08:50:38] <diorahman> av500: yes
  • [08:51:40] <av500> diorahman: i did not do much on the DSP yet
  • [08:51:57] <diorahman> av500: oh ok :-)
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  • [09:59:16] <booxter> for current OpenEmbedded DVSDK recipes, I get: http://pastebin.ca/1527810
  • [09:59:28] <booxter> koen: maybe you have a clue
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  • [10:09:50] <_koen_> booxter: yes, you have a '.' in your $PWD
  • [10:10:13] <booxter> ow man... :-\
  • [10:10:16] <booxter> thanks
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  • [10:11:25] <sk97> ds2: im am not really sure if platform_data can be used to supply gpio numbers to the drivers. it works. but i dont know if it is the right way to do things
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  • [10:11:45] <_koen_> booxter: that's why all the dvsdk stuff has such weird PVs in OE, to avoid the '.'
  • [10:11:58] <av500> PV?
  • [10:12:09] <booxter> I see
  • [10:12:19] <av500> _koen_: and no way to fix the . issue?
  • [10:12:28] <av500> now that you ARE ti... :-)
  • [10:12:38] <diorahman> hello! If I have an algorithm that I want to implement inside a codec; and that algorithm have several "alloc"; do I have to "implement" that alloc using v-table?
  • [10:12:43] <diorahman> thanks
  • [10:13:27] <_koen_> av500: AIUI the fix is percolating through all the components nowadays
  • [10:13:49] <av500> diorahman: I think so
  • [10:14:05] <av500> at least for the stuff you want to keep between process calls
  • [10:14:17] <av500> inside one call you can use scratch memory I think
  • [10:15:41] <diorahman> av500: "use scratch memory" -- ah I need to read more about that
  • [10:16:45] <sk97> is the gpio the only way to connect an external chip (power, reset, irq) to omap?
  • [10:17:07] <av500> sk97: maybe the easiest way
  • [10:17:15] <diorahman> av500: so it is like a "static" variables if we put it inside v-table isn't it?
  • [10:17:35] <sk97> what i mean to say is - can an external chip be connected in any other way?
  • [10:17:39] <av500> its mem that you get alloced when the codec starts and can keep for its lifetime
  • [10:17:47] <av500> sk97: a lot of other ways
  • [10:17:58] <av500> i2c, spi, mmc, sd, mcbsp...
  • [10:18:10] <av500> but to control 3 pins, GPIO it is
  • [10:18:33] <mru> so many names for a piece of wire...
  • [10:18:34] <av500> diorahman: (as far as I understand it) :-)
  • [10:19:12] <diorahman> av500: at least there is a second opinion :-)
  • [10:19:23] <sk97> what 3 pins av500?
  • [10:19:33] <av500> [12:16] <sk97> is the gpio the only way to connect an external chip (power, reset, irq) to omap?
  • [10:19:38] <av500> I count 3
  • [10:19:38] <sk97> okay
  • [10:19:53] <av500> what chip is that?
  • [10:19:57] <sk97> i thought u talk of pull up/pull down all those things
  • [10:20:14] <av500> thats for you to decide
  • [10:20:32] <sk97> i use camera
  • [10:21:33] <sk97> but i also use bt chip
  • [10:21:54] <sk97> so i try to think the best way of passing the gpio numbers to the driver
  • [10:22:10] <sk97> i choose platform_data
  • [10:23:05] <sk97> passing list of gpio numbers, but i saw other code - they are trying to use functions pointers in platform data. i dont know which know is the best suited
  • [10:23:25] <sk97> so i logged in and ask questions
  • [10:26:41] <sk97> av500: you got any idea or faced similar situation
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  • [10:34:05] <gaurang_> when i build bitbake on openembedded
  • [10:34:10] <gaurang_> i got error
  • [10:34:22] <gaurang_> any one this error
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  • [10:34:50] <khasim> hi
  • [10:35:07] <khasim> I am looking for GIT tree 2.6.30 and above that boots on beagle
  • [10:35:42] <khasim> any suggestions
  • [10:35:48] <khasim> _koen_ ?
  • [10:35:58] <khasim> _av500_ ?
  • [10:36:27] <_av500_> khasim: no
  • [10:36:36] <av500> khasim: me neither
  • [10:37:20] <_av500_> av500: you are not much help today!
  • [10:37:21] <khasim> koen mentioned about linux-omap-pm_git.bb in OE, not able to get it
  • [10:37:38] <av500> _av500_: shut up
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  • [10:37:53] <khasim> I am looking for a git pull it
  • [10:38:03] <khasim> the one I built fails during MMC boot
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  • [10:40:02] <_koen_> hey khasim
  • [10:42:16] <khasim> hi _koen_:
  • [10:42:27] <khasim> I am looking for latest kernel on bb
  • [10:42:36] <khasim> a git is better to pull
  • [10:42:41] <khasim> or a tar package.
  • [10:42:46] <khasim> can you help to get one
  • [10:43:00] <khasim> wanted to quickly try the mem hole issue on latest kernel
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  • [10:45:15] <khasim> _koen_: ping
  • [10:45:28] <_koen_> khasim: for OE there will never be a git tree, it's much easier to add/remove patches to the SRC_URI and rebuild
  • [10:45:50] <khasim> yeah, I know that :(
  • [10:46:56] <khasim> can you forward me the link where I can see the patches that has gone into OE for beagleboard
  • [10:47:21] <_koen_> git log recipes/linux
  • [10:47:48] <khasim> I mean on web :)
  • [10:49:02] <booxter> khasim: cgit.openembedded.org
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  • [10:57:16] <khasim> booxter: this is for complete OE, I was looking for patches that we maintain or apply to kernel pull.
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  • [10:59:29] <booxter> khasim: you can find their list in recipes/linux/linux-omap_X.X.X.bb
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  • [11:03:16] <_roger_> khasim - http://dominion.thruhere.net/git/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/recipes/linux/linux-omap_2.6.29.bb
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  • [11:07:37] <khasim> booxter, _roger_ : thanks
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  • [11:23:14] <gaurang> ERROR: Please set the 'PERSISTENT_DIR' or 'CACHE' variable.
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  • [13:05:38] <dices> greetings
  • [13:05:56] <dices> I am having issues getting the serial port with the pico kit
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  • [13:37:00] <sakoman_> koen: python 2.6.2 has been building for me on my machines. how is it failing for you?
  • [13:37:29] <sakoman_> koen: sorry about missing the xinput dependency for gdm
  • [13:37:46] * mru is getting occasional sigsegv from python on his workstation
  • [13:39:12] <av500> this one: http://thepirata.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/snake_pc01.jpg
  • [13:41:30] <Crofton> sakoman, can you upgrade an existing rootfs to 2.6.2?
  • [13:47:23] <_koen_> sakoman_: it's the build-from-scratch bit that failed for me
  • [13:48:24] <_koen_> sakoman_: as well as a completely broken upgrade path from 2.6.1 -> 2.6.2
  • [13:48:41] <_koen_> sakoman_: so even if it did build, I wouldn't really want it in angstrom :)
  • [13:50:33] <gustav> Hello, I'm a little confused about some lines of code, here's the problem: http://pastebin.com/m4bbed02e
  • [13:51:43] <gustav> Would be very helpful if anyone could have a quick look at it
  • [13:53:13] <sakoman_> Crofton: don't know for sure, haven't ever tried to
  • [13:53:47] <gustav> sorry, mixed up two outputs: the correct one: http://pastebin.com/m16c2d1bd
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  • [13:54:16] <sakoman_> _koen_: ah, OK Anywhere I can read about the broken upgrade path?
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  • [13:56:06] <_koen_> sakoman_: not really, I dare not say anything about it, since I'm not allowed to point out such things anymore when mickey is involved
  • [13:56:29] <_koen_> sakoman_: you might have noticed people grumbling about python getting changed without a heads up on the mailinglist...
  • [13:56:36] * sakoman_ looks around to see if mickey is around
  • [13:56:59] <sakoman_> seems safe to talk ;-)
  • [13:57:14] <sakoman_> I'll look on the mailing list archives
  • [13:57:54] <_koen_> the last time I pointed out the bugs in his commits he went on a OE boycot
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  • [13:58:14] <_koen_> sadly he stopped the boycot and started breaking stuff again
  • [13:58:37] <mickey_> hey, stop blaming me for your mistakes!
  • [13:58:37] <_koen_> oh dear, everyone hide their python :)
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  • [14:00:54] * mru is bored...
  • [14:01:15] <_koen_> mru: they didn't send you a new tms470 today?
  • [14:01:35] <mru> not yet at least
  • [14:01:43] <av500> mru: why dont you rewrite lavf then?
  • [14:01:55] <mru> no point
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  • [14:03:56] * mru is looking for a job that doesn't require debugging c++ apps w/o source or debug symbols with gdb 6.0 running on glibc 2.2
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  • [14:04:19] <av500> cat ate the source?
  • [14:04:48] <mru> bash-2.02# cat source
  • [14:04:48] <mru> cat: can't open 'source': No such file or directory
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  • [14:11:51] <_koen_> mru: did you ever confirm your suspicion that the ram clocks get slowed down by linux?
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  • [14:13:04] <mru> _koen_: haven't checked
  • [14:13:15] <mru> I'm too damn disorganised
  • [14:13:45] <av500> hmm, disorganized, can't debug w/o source code, spends to much time on irc....
  • [14:13:58] <mru> av500: I found the bug
  • [14:14:08] <av500> you can keep it :-)
  • [14:14:15] <mru> it's just not my idea of *fun*
  • [14:14:19] <av500> ack
  • [14:14:25] <mru> there's no reward
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  • [14:14:51] <prpplague> greetings earthlings
  • [14:14:55] <mru> if I wrote a slow-as-hell gui in flash, I'd be praised to the skies
  • [14:15:03] <av500> you could write a M$-COFF to TI-COFF converter :-)
  • [14:15:21] <av500> mru: just mention Flash, works most of the time...
  • [14:15:22] * mru prefers elves
  • [14:15:54] <prpplague> av500 you have a look at that case?
  • [14:15:59] <av500> yes
  • [14:16:15] <prpplague> and?
  • [14:16:16] <av500> it looks too dark to me
  • [14:16:30] <prpplague> hehe
  • [14:16:43] <av500> I mean, living in that hole is no treat for a dog...
  • [14:16:47] <_koen_> prpplague: looks like a space ship :)
  • [14:16:58] <av500> laika...
  • [14:17:01] <prpplague> _koen_ hehe
  • [14:17:27] <av500> prpplague: and didnt we agree that there is no point in a case :-)
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  • [14:17:40] <prpplague> av500 you agreed, hehe
  • [14:17:45] <prpplague> av500 others want a case
  • [14:17:56] <mru> a case of beer, sure
  • [14:18:20] <_koen_> a case of the moooooondays
  • [14:18:32] <prpplague> you could killed for saying stuff like that
  • [14:18:37] <mru> sure feels like it
  • [14:18:47] <_koen_> prpplague: :)
  • [14:18:51] <mru> it's eternal monday here
  • [14:19:30] <_koen_> prpplague: I still need to convince _roger_ to watch office space
  • [14:19:59] <av500> mondays are nice, coz upper echelons are in monday meetings...
  • [14:19:59] * mru is thinking of force-feeding dilbert to the boss
  • [14:20:02] <sol-invictus> _koen_: office space rulez! :D
  • [14:20:21] <_koen_> indeed
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  • [14:21:06] <prpplague> _koen_ i think we are going to target the cost at $29.99
  • [14:21:18] * _koen_ wonders if the people working on the TPS power ICs write reports
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  • [14:21:50] <prpplague> _koen_ hope they get the cover sheet correct
  • [14:22:14] <_koen_> :)
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  • [14:22:34] <_koen_> prpplague: I get about 5Mbit out of the zippi
  • [14:22:36] <prpplague> _koen_ heading to barbados on sunday
  • [14:22:50] <prpplague> _koen_ oh you already got your board?
  • [14:22:58] <_koen_> yes
  • [14:23:01] <_koen_> prpplague: http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/commit/?id=8ded6c1580b907494b0ea95e36d91ca8d64122e8
  • [14:23:18] <prpplague> _koen_ thoughts?
  • [14:23:21] <_koen_> lunch time project
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  • [14:23:56] <prpplague> _koen_ how ya like it so far?
  • [14:23:58] <_koen_> prpplague: pretty neat, the only problem I have is deciding which board goes on top :)
  • [14:24:30] <prpplague> _koen_ ahh, well, you'll be able to use the dog house case with that
  • [14:24:35] <prpplague> _koen_ make it a little easier
  • [14:24:36] <_koen_> :)
  • [14:24:54] <_koen_> prpplague: I have a battery powered beagle with the zippy hooked up to my TV now
  • [14:25:46] * _koen_ hugs dealextreme
  • [14:26:10] <prpplague> _koen_ ahh what kind of battery system?
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  • [14:33:43] <_koen_> prpplague: 2x http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.3060 with http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.13526
  • [14:33:58] <_koen_> and a usb -> 5V barrel to connect it to the beagle
  • [14:34:47] <prpplague> _koen_ very interesting
  • [14:34:54] <prpplague> _koen_ how long does it last?
  • [14:35:09] <_koen_> longer than my attention span
  • [14:35:13] <prpplague> hehe
  • [14:35:15] <_koen_> I only tried it for 30 minutes
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  • [14:35:39] <_koen_> I'm not expecting a lot from it
  • [14:36:03] <prpplague> _koen_ indeed
  • [14:36:26] <prpplague> _koen_ well, we should be going into full production of zippy tomorrow
  • [14:36:42] <prpplague> _koen_ since neither sakoman nor you have had any hardware issues
  • [14:36:53] <_koen_> nice
  • [14:37:10] <_koen_> I haven't tried the uart yet, but mmc, eth and rtc work
  • [14:37:58] <prpplague> dandy
  • [14:38:17] <prpplague> _koen_ how do you feel about the ethernet performance?
  • [14:38:40] <prpplague> _koen_ i know it isn;t high speed, but for most internet connections it should do well enough
  • [14:40:15] <_koen_> it defaults to half duplex over here, iperf gets me 5Mbit
  • [14:40:37] <_koen_> which pretty much is the same as my effective DSL speed
  • [14:41:05] <sakoman_> I get about 504K/s on wget transfers of large files
  • [14:41:18] <_koen_> it might suck for nfs, but I tend to avoid that :)
  • [14:41:23] <sakoman_> from a server on the local net
  • [14:41:44] * mru gets 3-4x that number over dsl
  • [14:42:01] <sakoman_> mru is lucky
  • [14:42:16] * bjdooks needs to start reading up on building stuff for the beagle to look at the KS8851
  • [14:42:22] <_koen_> mru: a friend of mine gets 10 mbit, but he's 2 km closer to the slam
  • [14:42:23] <mru> in sweden 100Mbps is pretty much standard in cities
  • [14:42:48] * mru had 10Mbps ethernet in 2002
  • [14:43:37] <mru> the 5ms ping time to uni was nice
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  • [14:46:26] <mru> not that I'd ever use a BT service anyway
  • [14:50:50] <av500> _koen_: nice that they label the LED as "LED"...
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  • [15:51:06] <bobkatzz> gm all
  • [15:51:31] <av500> gm bobkatzz
  • [15:51:46] <_koen_> hey bobkatzz
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  • [15:52:28] <bobkatzz> hey! - one day to go for my presentation!! down to the wire
  • [15:53:36] <bobkatzz> gotta get everything hooked up and tested today - even though I know the BB works with some of my rigs I've got to at least get the SR6.3 to receive
  • [15:53:57] <av500> you can always have one cable taped under the desk...
  • [15:54:50] <bobkatzz> I think TX is out of the question since every lead that looks like a prospect for Linux and the Si570 USB control has had dep problems in Angstrom even though they are "plain vanilla" python
  • [15:55:39] <mru> there's no such thing as "plain" python
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  • [15:56:15] * XorA curses at the sound of python
  • [15:56:20] <bobkatzz> just too many possible tests to go through at this point. I am sure they will be resolved though. especially if, as Corfton has mentioned, wxpython gets built out - that will be an immediate solution for Quisk
  • [15:56:43] <bobkatzz> I'm an old Perl hacker meself B^)
  • [15:57:03] <bobkatzz> but I'll take a shot at anything - even Ruby!! :D
  • [15:58:01] <bobkatzz> Damn! put my antenna up and got about 20+ mosquito bites - where's the Rhuly-Gel??
  • [15:58:19] * mru likes perl
  • [15:58:28] <av500> bobkatzz: increase RF power, they will die eventually.
  • [15:58:36] <bobkatzz> Bless your references son! B^)
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  • [15:59:20] <bobkatzz> av500: I wish it was that simple - we have those Asian Tiger variety - almost too small to see - leave a dime-sized welt
  • [15:59:36] <mru> you need higher frequency then
  • [15:59:40] <av500> bobkatzz: increase RF power even more...
  • [15:59:55] <bobkatzz> fortunately after about 20 min they subside - West Nile doesn't though :(
  • [15:59:59] <av500> you should feel "warm" in front of the antenna...
  • [16:00:00] <tretas> hello..... what is zippi ???
  • [16:07:44] <bobkatzz> um - how 'bout s.l.o.w?? :D
  • [16:10:53] <_koen_> tretas: a misspelled version of 'zippy'
  • [16:11:54] <bobkatzz> I see that my iPhone USB wall adapter is rated at 5v and 1A - can I use that to power the BB through the OTG jack? I will be using a self-powered USB hub ofr all the USB periferals
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  • [16:13:14] <bobkatzz> any bunny?
  • [16:13:24] <av500> bobkatzz: its from apple, it will sue you if you try!
  • [16:13:53] <bobkatzz> well I'm about 3 min from doing just that so wish me luck
  • [16:14:34] <av500> maybe it ouputs 12V to non-conforming devices...
  • [16:15:20] <bobkatzz> should I assume that since I can plug my iPhone cable into either my PC's USB or the power cube they must be the same pin configurations polarity-wise yep?
  • [16:15:29] <av500> yes
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  • [16:15:43] <av500> I charge my G1 from the iphone thingy
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  • [16:16:05] <mru> are prisoners allowed to use cell phones?
  • [16:16:10] <bobkatzz> i can l always test the power at the tiny end and verifiy
  • [16:16:24] <mru> if they were charged with battery
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  • [16:16:43] <bobkatzz> mru - depends on what you did to get in there I would imagine :P
  • [16:16:45] <av500> mru: any phone they can swallow...
  • [16:17:01] <mru> morning jkridner|work
  • [16:17:06] <bobkatzz> or . . um - well you get it :)
  • [16:17:34] <_koen_> hey jkridner|work
  • [16:18:05] <av500> morning jkridner|work
  • [16:18:17] <bobkatzz> hey jkridner|work:
  • [16:18:22] * av500 hopes jkridner|work has audible bell...
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  • [16:18:40] <bobkatzz> he can prolly answer my Q
  • [16:18:41] <mru> ring ring, jkridner|work
  • [16:19:01] <bobkatzz> jkridner|work: I see that my iPhone USB wall adapter is rated at 5v and 1A - can I use that to power the BB through the OTG jack? I will be using a self-powered USB hub ofr all the USB periferals
  • [16:19:06] <av500> I got my coworker to turn his off after 5min of pingping him on irc...
  • [16:19:37] <av500> bobkatzz: yes
  • [16:20:20] <bobkatzz> I just wanted hear it from the horses mouth av500 B^)
  • [16:20:41] <bobkatzz> ok here goes . .
  • [16:21:04] <av500> neigh neigh
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  • [16:22:37] <bobkatzz> hmm no more slots left on the power strip - grrrrrr!
  • [16:23:32] <av500> what you call power strip over there, I had similar for my model railroad...
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  • [16:27:55] <bobkatzz> = = bobkatzz has changed nick to lost-in-beagle-space
  • [16:29:40] <bobkatzz> oh hey before I leave - koen - what is the difference between numpy and py in Angstrom have a program looking for a py_xxx_.conf and could only find numpy_xxx.conf on my build
  • [16:30:01] <bobkatzz> that should have been two sentences soory
  • [16:33:16] <bobkatzz> I'll jump back in when I get into BB
  • [16:34:24] <koen> bobkatzz: numpy is a python module for numeric stuff (NUMeric PYthon)
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  • [17:28:32] <gregb> Can someone give a brief pro/con list of the beagleboard development environment and process to a newb?
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  • [17:31:51] <gregb> I'm considering buying a BB or a FriendlyArm Mini2440 for a project and I'm looking to compare the two without considering price. Reasons to proceed/disregard BB?
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  • [17:33:19] <av500> gregb: come on
  • [17:33:32] <av500> use google 1st, then come back with specific questions
  • [17:33:42] <av500> we have no idea about your project
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  • [17:37:47] <gregb> Do think that I would visit here first without researching the printed material? C'mon. The "project" doesn't matter, but fyi it is a sound processing application. I'm looking for reasons to choses one platform over the other.
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  • [18:01:37] <av500> yeah, right
  • [18:02:40] <mru> next time, tell them to get $the-other-thing
  • [18:05:31] <av500> hell, the SGX is ideal for sound processing, no?
  • [18:05:40] <av500> 3d sound is all the rage I hear
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  • [18:06:07] <av500> but then, the project does not matter, so PCB color decides it for me...
  • [18:13:19] <muriani> I like 3D sound.
  • [18:13:44] <muriani> I kinda want to get into monaural mixing though.
  • [18:14:00] <muriani> hehe, mix music for both extremes: mono and surround
  • [18:14:49] <muriani> also, NEON/DSP could be nifty for sound processing apps, I'm sure
  • [18:15:06] <mru> sound likes floating-point
  • [18:15:16] <muriani> yeah
  • [18:15:28] <mru> neon can do floating-point of course
  • [18:15:30] <mru> the dsp can't
  • [18:15:33] <muriani> aaah
  • [18:15:46] <mru> the omap-l1x dsp can
  • [18:15:52] <mru> but its arm can't
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  • [18:31:18] <koen> mru: iirc there's a fp emulation lib for c64x, but I have no idea if it's 3rd party or TI
  • [18:31:24] <koen> or how to get it
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  • [18:31:52] <mru> fp emulation is always hideously slow
  • [18:32:09] <koen> mru: you have a growing number of fans inside TI, btw
  • [18:33:23] <av500> I remember a certain white paper about C64x and using FP on it and it being so much faster than FP dsps...
  • [18:33:43] <av500> (due to the fact that FP dsps dont clock high enough...)
  • [18:33:48] <mru> it was comparing fp emulation on 1GHz C64x to hardfp on 300MHz arm iirc
  • [18:34:13] <mru> or maybe it was a slow fp dsp
  • [18:34:15] <mru> doesn't matter
  • [18:34:26] <av500> yes, a slow fp dsp
  • [18:34:27] <mru> there was a factor of ~4 in clock speed
  • [18:34:37] <_koen_> av500: I read the same paper, it was saying "we can only get ~100MHz fpdsp, doing it on a 1GHz int dsp is faster"
  • [18:34:51] <mru> doh
  • [18:34:58] <av500> _koen_: yes, and TI has not answered why there is no fast FP dsp. so?
  • [18:35:12] <av500> why is there no fast fp dsp?
  • [18:35:13] <_koen_> the one in the l137 is pretty fast, no?
  • [18:35:26] <mru> it's still only 300MHz or thereabouts
  • [18:35:42] <av500> so still 3x slower
  • [18:35:56] <av500> or 2x compared to my omap3
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  • [18:36:26] <mru> if you fix the compiler and get me some time, I can do benchmarks
  • [18:38:04] <av500> _koen_: so the question is still valid, no?
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  • [18:43:07] <_koen_> av500: I guess so
  • [18:43:29] <av500> hmm, who at TI could we ask :-)
  • [18:45:05] <mru> I know, ask _koen_ !
  • [18:46:10] * _koen_ tries to look sheepish
  • [18:46:45] <av500> looking at TI catalog, it seesm that FP maxes out at 300 while fixed goes up to 1ghz...
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  • [18:47:04] <av500> both being VLIW and multiple ops per clock...
  • [18:48:31] <av500> right, maybe _koen_ could answer that
  • [18:48:53] <_koen_> meeeeeeeeh
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  • [18:49:27] <_koen_> anyway, my coffee is getting cold
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  • [19:07:01] <bobkatzz> ok Druids!! just made a contact to Berryville, AR from QTH here in Richmond, VA
  • [19:07:22] <bobkatzz> 1,325 miles on 1.75 watts! on BB with FLDigi
  • [19:07:34] <av500> woot
  • [19:07:47] <bobkatzz> yeah naaaiice!
  • [19:08:01] <bobkatzz> that new 'tenny location is HOT!!
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  • [19:08:32] <bobkatzz> it's up a bit higher after I lopped off some lower limbs that were in my way B^)
  • [19:08:51] <_koen_> that reminds me, I should really place that order for that soldering station
  • [19:09:09] <bobkatzz> ok now I gotta get that 6.3 working - this was on the Small Wonder Labs PSK20
  • [19:09:12] * _koen_ is trying to NOT buy stuff from his first paycheck
  • [19:09:24] <av500> they gave you one so early?
  • [19:09:27] <bobkatzz> yep _koen_ you should oughtta do that :)
  • [19:09:35] <av500> and with unanswered questions here...
  • [19:09:39] <av500> tsk tsk
  • [19:10:12] <bobkatzz> wow first paycheck - you're supposed to frame that - not deopsit it FFS!
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  • [19:10:45] <_koen_> paycheck being a metafor for a wire transfer
  • [19:11:09] <bobkatzz> oooooooo!! from a Swiss acct?
  • [19:11:19] <_koen_> thanks to double-taxation treaties is is pre-tax as well, so I really have to pay attention to save about half of it :)
  • [19:11:23] <vlad> hrm, can I mask vfp underflow exceptions?
  • [19:11:37] <vlad> without enabling flush-to-zero? not sure I understand the arm docs here
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  • [19:13:06] <bobkatzz> hey _koen_ - did you get my q&a about numpy as opposed to py? if I can get that straight I might be able to get usbsoftrock-5.0 to make
  • [19:13:25] <av500> [18:34] <koen> bobkatzz: numpy is a python module for numeric stuff (NUMeric PYthon)
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  • [19:13:34] <_koen_> what av500 says
  • [19:14:01] <bobkatzz> ok so I don't have all python modules then?
  • [19:14:15] <bobkatzz> I did that task-native thing
  • [19:15:14] <_koen_> try 'opkg install python-modules -force-depends'
  • [19:15:35] <_koen_> the force-depends bit is needed if you're on the unstable feed till we sort out the python problems in OE
  • [19:15:55] <_koen_> it should be fixed tomorrow(ish)
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  • [19:16:23] <bobkatzz> ok i'll do that tnks
  • [19:16:25] <_koen_> I'll fix linux-omap-pm 2.6.29 tomorrow during lunch
  • [19:16:38] <_koen_> othwerwise gerald will hex all my future hardware
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  • [19:17:20] <bobkatzz> I'm really close to getting at least one of the programs purported to program the USB I2C board for this rig to be able to TXmit
  • [19:17:54] <_koen_> there's i2c on the expansion port :)
  • [19:17:55] <av500> bobkatzz: still pilin' SW on top of SW for this simple task is not the Zen way :-)
  • [19:18:04] <av500> _koen_: :-)
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  • [19:18:32] * _koen_ activated it today in the angstrom beagle kernel
  • [19:18:37] <_koen_> now I have 2 RTCs :)
  • [19:18:56] <av500> I have some 1999 DS1307 code...
  • [19:19:21] <_koen_> the in-kernel 1307 code seems to work
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  • [19:19:36] <_koen_> as does the spi ethernet code
  • [19:19:38] <bobkatzz> but the program has to be able to communicate the I2C to it and that's where my knowledge base runs off the cliff into freefall (and I ain't base jumpin!)
  • [19:19:48] <_koen_> Crofton|work: I also enabled spidev :)
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  • [19:27:06] <sakoman_> koen: I don't think you quite enabled it -- I didn't notice the required board file changes
  • [19:28:40] <sakoman_> you need to set up the initdata for the spidev device
  • [19:28:52] <av500> and the mux?
  • [19:29:47] <sakoman_> the mux is fine
  • [19:30:21] <sakoman_> that's done in the u-boot patch to support the spi-ethernet chip
  • [19:30:27] <av500> aargh
  • [19:31:17] <sakoman_> av500: I'm still waiting for you to fix the kernel pinmuxing ;-)
  • [19:31:19] <_koen_> sakoman_: ah well, it's enabled in the defconfig :)
  • [19:31:55] <sakoman_> I'll take a look at doing a patch when I get the time/motivation
  • [19:32:20] <_koen_> you caught me in exposing my spi n00bness
  • [19:32:32] <av500> sakoman_: I wait for Crofton|work :-)
  • [19:32:54] <_koen_> sakoman_: the uboot in OE had your v1 mux patch, so the zippy should "just work" with the uboot from the past few weeks
  • [19:32:57] <sakoman_> av500: me too!
  • [19:32:58] <_koen_> minus the uart
  • [19:32:58] <av500> coz in my proprietary neck o the woods it works :-)
  • [19:33:50] * XorA thought Crofton|work had fixed pinmux :-)
  • [19:34:18] <av500> not the pinmux scheme to end all schemes...
  • [19:34:28] <sakoman_> _koen_: no reason you should have to know spi! sadly I've been working with it for the last couple of weeks
  • [19:34:28] <sakoman_> so I've had to learn
  • [19:34:50] <sakoman_> av500: your hw guys made the right choices :-)
  • [19:35:16] <sakoman_> if you don't deviate from what the code assumes you are good to go
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  • [19:35:59] <sakoman_> otherwise you need to fuss around with undoing it
  • [19:36:05] <_koen_> I suspect crofton is busy hooking new clients in atlanta
  • [19:36:18] <sakoman_> I'm glad someone is!
  • [19:36:32] * XorA now imagines Crofton|work in stripper shoes :-)
  • [19:37:05] <av500> "wannaaaaa see my BBeee?"
  • [19:39:00] <bobkatzz> _koen_: opkg install python-modules -force-depends - says failed maybe I need to opkg update but I just did that yesterday should I do it again?
  • [19:39:34] <_koen_> yes
  • [19:39:41] <bobkatzz> ok doky :)
  • [19:40:37] <bobkatzz> oh yea - dat verkin!
  • [19:43:19] <_koen_> the python fixes (or the supposed fixed) when in to the feeds about 10 minutes ago, so you have great timing :)
  • [19:47:05] <bobkatzz> :)
  • [19:49:07] <_koen_> XorA: what was that cheap UK 3g thingy?
  • [19:49:46] <XorA> _koen_: can get access from t-mobile for 1GBP capped at 7.50 a week I think
  • [19:49:53] <XorA> _koen_: or at least thats what it used to be
  • [19:49:54] <bobkatzz> oooops - says it cannot atisfy some deprendencies
  • [19:50:13] <XorA> a day
  • [19:50:31] <bobkatzz> python json - python multiprocessing -
  • [19:50:44] <bobkatzz> prolly not a biggy
  • [19:51:13] <bobkatzz> don't know about MP but Json not needed
  • [19:52:03] <_koen_> that's what the -force-depends is for :)
  • [19:52:20] <_koen_> I guess I need to take another look at the python stuff in OE
  • [19:52:23] <XorA> _koen_: seems they have changed the terms
  • [19:52:56] <bobkatzz> ./configure says libusb is required - that is the one I installed but is can't find
  • [19:53:33] <bobkatzz> it show libusb as being there
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  • [19:53:52] <_koen_> bobkatzz: on your beagle?
  • [19:54:01] <bobkatzz> yep
  • [19:54:04] <bobkatzz> I'm there
  • [19:54:05] <_koen_> bobkatzz: try 'opkg list | grep libusb'
  • [19:54:13] <bobkatzz> k
  • [19:54:14] <_koen_> bobkatzz: that should show a few -dev packages
  • [19:54:33] <_koen_> bobkatzz: I suspect libusb1 is installed when you need libusb0 (aka libusb-compat)
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  • [19:55:22] <_koen_> XorA: '3' pay as you go will give me 150MB internet traffic for 10GBP for 90 days
  • [19:55:27] <bobkatzz> shows both actually
  • [19:55:56] <_koen_> XorA: and since the sim will go into an archos media player to check my mail while being at the office....
  • [19:56:03] <bobkatzz> libusb-0.1.4-dev and libusb-1.0-dev
  • [19:56:09] <_koen_> bobkatzz: they are parallel installable
  • [19:56:42] <_koen_> bobkatzz: try installing the 0.1.4-dev one to start with
  • [19:56:44] <bobkatzz> should I specifiy libusb-0.1.4?
  • [19:56:53] <bobkatzz> ooops heh
  • [19:57:02] <bobkatzz> that was coincidental
  • [19:59:34] <bobkatzz> wierd - says it cannot find package libusb-0.1.4-dev ???
  • [20:00:20] <bobkatzz> hrmmm - where did it find it in the list then?
  • [20:02:01] <_koen_> opkg install libusb-0.1-dev
  • [20:02:47] <bobkatzz> ah - remove the ".4" then eh?
  • [20:03:23] <bobkatzz> yep seems to be kerchunking
  • [20:03:45] <bobkatzz> yea!
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  • [20:04:40] <bobkatzz> ./configure - working! - done - making made
  • [20:04:59] <bobkatzz> make installing
  • [20:05:56] <bobkatzz> done - it said that there was a clock skew detected - and the build may not be complete but I have no idea what that is
  • [20:06:08] <_koen_> ignore that
  • [20:06:23] <_koen_> your beagle clock is probably set to last week or so
  • [20:06:46] <bobkatzz> looks good - now I have to go and see how to use the program :) - Thanks much!
  • [20:06:48] <_koen_> so your build is saying "Oh noooesss! we has files from the future!"
  • [20:07:11] <_koen_> bobkatzz: if you mail me the uri to the homepage of that I have have a look at adding it to OE
  • [20:07:33] <bobkatzz> they were con-KAT-enated :D
  • [20:08:18] <bobkatzz> ok - j sec
  • [20:08:36] <_koen_> over the weekend that is
  • [20:08:49] <_koen_> so no rush in sending that mail :)
  • [20:09:08] <bobkatzz> ok
  • [20:09:15] <_koen_> after tomorrow I will have at least 3 new devboards to play with
  • [20:09:31] <_av500_> pray tell
  • [20:09:34] <bobkatzz> yeah no rush -
  • [20:09:35] <_koen_> well, I need to figure out power/serial/network for those before that :)
  • [20:10:02] <_av500_> pwr is 12v ...
  • [20:10:03] <_koen_> _av500_: I suspect the dm3x5 will arrive tomorrow, so nothing sexy there
  • [20:10:24] <_koen_> the l137 arrived yesterday, the zippy today
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  • [20:10:37] <_av500_> no sex then
  • [20:11:16] <_koen_> that was already obvious with the girlfriend being 1600km away
  • [20:11:19] <bobkatzz> did you just start a new job?
  • [20:11:26] <_koen_> bobkatzz: yes, at TI :)
  • [20:11:33] <bobkatzz> kewl!!
  • [20:11:37] <bobkatzz> congrats!
  • [20:11:58] <_av500_> he does not regrett it yet ...:)
  • [20:12:06] <bobkatzz> are you in the US then?
  • [20:12:57] <bobkatzz> I guess I should have gotten that if gf = 1,600km etc :P
  • [20:13:31] <_koen_> no, I'm in .nl working for TI UK while the gf is doing an internship in spain
  • [20:13:48] <bobkatzz> ah ok so I wasn't smoking crack then
  • [20:16:16] * _av500_ curses bus
  • [20:16:22] <bobkatzz> <is now reading how to use this program to make 6.3 TX some RF>
  • [20:16:54] <bobkatzz> now I gotta go rewire the dang board again (6.3 not BB!) :)
  • [20:17:00] <_av500_> bobkatzz: /me is ....
  • [20:17:24] <bobkatzz> is you?
  • [20:17:47] <bobkatzz> hey I was in BitchX when you were still in Pampers!!
  • [20:18:00] <bobkatzz> I just forgot alot! :D
  • [20:18:11] <_av500_> k popp
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  • [20:19:48] <bobkatzz> ok gonna go play with hdwr now - thanks _koen_ - maybe I'll see y'all laytah
  • [20:20:37] <bobkatzz> i'll email you that URL when I get a chance (you want the usbsoftrock-5.0 site - yep?)
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  • [20:22:45] <_koen_> bobkatzz: dunno, but I'd like sdr geeks to have binaries available instead of needing to build stuff on their own :)
  • [20:23:26] <muriani> heh
  • [20:23:34] <muriani> yeeah, binaries are nice :)
  • [20:24:29] <bobkatzz> that would be a big help as the the available programs shake out in terms of what works best with which rigs - I've only just scratched the surface there with 2 - the PSK20 (and probably Warbler 80 since they're "sisters") and the SR6.3
  • [20:24:52] <bobkatzz> but most of the rig compatability exists in the programs
  • [20:25:28] <bobkatzz> SDR-Shell is already very good and you nailed that one
  • [20:27:13] <bobkatzz> and FLDigi is another great one - works right out of the box - BTW they are making a change to that as we speak to add the TX/6.3 /Si570 programmability so whatever you did to get that running might need some tweeking when they bring that out
  • [20:27:38] <bobkatzz> ok going HDWR now
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  • [20:50:27] <aaa_> hi ... i am working with serial port programming on BB and having some issues while handling read interrupt
  • [20:50:48] <aaa_> anyone who worked with serial port programming
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  • [21:39:03] <mcz_br> hello, everybody!
  • [21:39:27] <mcz_br> we are trying to use a PSP LCD with beagle
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  • [21:39:40] <mcz_br> the circuit is OK
  • [21:39:56] <mcz_br> but the display shows nothing
  • [21:40:17] <mcz_br> i wonder if i have to change the bootargs to have the LCD signals active
  • [21:40:29] <mcz_br> could anyone help me?
  • [21:40:59] <_av500_> what are the bootargs?
  • [21:41:31] <mcz_br> i was using before (with a DVI monitor) the following bootargs:
  • [21:41:41] <mcz_br> setenv bootargs console=ttyS2,115200n8 noinitrd root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 video=omapfb.mode=dvi:1280x720MR-24@50 init=/init rootfstype=ext3 rw rootdelay=1 nohz=off androidboot.console=ttyS2
  • [21:41:55] <mcz_br> but LCD does not work with this
  • [21:41:56] <_av500_> well psp lcd is not 1280x720
  • [21:42:06] <mcz_br> yes, i know
  • [21:42:11] <mcz_br> i changed the resolution
  • [21:42:18] <_av500_> you have to setup the correct timing for this lcd
  • [21:42:32] <_av500_> i doubt it can be done via bootargs only...
  • [21:43:19] <mcz_br> i saw that beagle clone
  • [21:43:21] <mcz_br> devkit
  • [21:43:28] <mcz_br> in their manual ... they utilize:
  • [21:43:34] <mcz_br> setenv bootargs console=ttyS2,115200n8 ubi.mtd=4 root=ubi0:rootfs
  • [21:43:34] <mcz_br> rootfstype=ubifs video=omapfb:mode:4.3inch_LCD
  • [21:43:45] <mcz_br> i tried this video arg
  • [21:43:50] <mcz_br> but it did not work too
  • [21:44:02] <mcz_br> they probably changed the kernel too
  • [21:44:05] <mcz_br> i do not know
  • [21:44:05] <_av500_> yesm but their kernel has that 4.3 panel defined
  • [21:44:40] <mcz_br> do you think someone has make this patch for beagle?
  • [21:44:42] <mcz_br> i mean ... public
  • [21:44:49] <_av500_> youd need to get the panel definition from their kernel
  • [21:45:00] <_av500_> i think their kernel is public, but dunno where
  • [21:45:20] <mcz_br> where are the panel definitions in the kernel?
  • [21:45:39] <_av500_> ask on bb mailing list, ppl there have devkit800000 too
  • [21:46:07] <mcz_br> ok
  • [21:46:10] <mcz_br> thanks!
  • [21:46:28] <_av500_> panel defs, no idea atm, arch/arm/..omap or drivers/video..
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  • [21:47:19] <mcz_br> i will look there
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  • [22:26:24] <djlewis> moving an existing Raid-1 froma blown old system to a new system is more fun than one ought be allowed :P
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  • [23:14:26] <djlewis> heading home, later...
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  • [23:37:29] <lemay_> hello
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