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[00:30:06] <geckosenator> ds2: I got the boards
[00:30:45] <ds2> geckosenator: WOW, that was quick
[00:31:02] <geckosenator> well I don't understand what the smaller boards are for
[00:31:09] <ds2> guess I ought to get off my ass and send you the notes
[00:31:35] <geckosenator> you might be able to stay on your ass while sending them
[00:31:53] <Animule> hahaha aol
[00:31:56] <ds2> geckosenator: the smaller board unravels some of the pin out issues and provides a solid connection to the connectors
[00:32:20] <geckosenator> so the smaller board plugs directly into the beagle?
[00:32:22] <ds2> the goal was to have the wiring between the 2 boards to act as a mini spring so the other board can clear the JTAG connector
[00:32:31] <geckosenator> ok
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[00:32:50] <geckosenator> do I have to solder wires to the smaller boards directly?
[00:33:03] <ds2> geckosenator: You can sort of it see it in the pictures on http://www.hy-research.com/beagle_lcd.html
[00:33:11] <ds2> geckosenator: yeah... or use a ribbon cable
[00:33:49] <geckosenator> I don't have a ribbon cable that size I don't htink
[00:33:52] <ds2> to do it with one board and keep the same size would require 4 layers and a special spacer or a special tall connector to clear the JTAG
[00:34:06] <geckosenator> ok
[00:34:14] <geckosenator> well or you could do it with 2 boards
[00:34:20] <geckosenator> but make them plug into eachother
[00:34:24] <ds2> geckosenator: DOH... you should've mentioned that before I sent it, I got a spool
[00:34:40] <geckosenator> well I'll figure something out
[00:34:45] <ds2> 2 board makes it a bit too tall. I am trying to keep it lower then tthe S-Video connector
[00:34:56] <geckosenator> I guess you could send it since it would go in a regular letter so it's like 42 cents
[00:35:15] <geckosenator> hmm
[00:35:22] <geckosenator> well you can also get different thickness pcbs
[00:35:52] <ds2> won't work, even then I still need some spring so the flex cable can clear the S-Video connector
[00:36:20] <ds2> designing this board involves learning about the "Beagle's Revenge"
[00:36:38] <geckosenator> heh
[00:36:51] <geckosenator> well in any case I can solder the wires
[00:37:03] <mru> you could remove unused connectors if that makes it any easier
[00:37:16] <geckosenator> it doesn't
[00:37:48] <geckosenator> ds2: another thing you can do to make the zif connectors stronger
[00:37:59] <geckosenator> is attach traces to the pads with vias
[00:38:07] <geckosenator> even though they are just the pads to hold the connector
[00:38:21] <geckosenator> or put a via through the pad if you are allowed
[00:38:51] <ds2> mru: and risk lifting traces or loosing plate through? no, thanks.
[00:39:09] <geckosenator> anyway, the boards look nice, are they hand routed?
[00:39:17] <geckosenator> because if it's an autorouter, I want it
[00:39:17] <ds2> geckosenator: I am already 200% over the hole density allowance!
[00:39:22] <ds2> yes, it is hand routed
[00:39:26] <geckosenator> ok
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[00:39:36] <ds2> autorouters would choke given the limited amount of space
[00:39:44] <geckosenator> well I just thought I would share my idea
[00:39:53] <geckosenator> since I know it holds pads down better if they are connected to traces
[00:39:58] <geckosenator> and with vias it kind of stakes it down
[00:40:00] <ds2> I welcome them...just explaining why I can't dot hat
[00:40:05] <geckosenator> yeah
[00:40:19] <ds2> the other issues is I have enough crap on the other side, that I can't put vias all over the place w/o it interfering
[00:40:21] <geckosenator> the places I got my boards have no such rules
[00:40:40] <geckosenator> actually you can looking at the board
[00:40:44] <ds2> most places have a limit on how many holes per square inch they will do w/o extra charge
[00:40:44] <geckosenator> just for the zif connector pads
[00:40:57] <geckosenator> maybe I never reach the limit
[00:41:08] <ds2> I am paying extra for all the holes already
[00:41:08] <geckosenator> and you did because of the high density connectos
[00:41:25] <geckosenator> yeah
[00:41:34] <ds2> hmmm... I'll look into it but right now, I had enough of the PSP LCD
[00:41:36] <geckosenator> well I'm going to order a revC beagle and pico projector very soon
[00:41:43] <geckosenator> as soon as I figure out what other stuff I need from digikey
[00:41:48] <ds2> I'm looking for another 4.3" LCD that doesn't have as many issues as this LCD
[00:41:57] <geckosenator> I would like a larger one
[00:42:03] <geckosenator> like 6-8"
[00:42:08] <ds2> I got a 7" design brewing in the works
[00:42:12] <geckosenator> really?
[00:42:17] <geckosenator> I had one
[00:42:22] <ds2> yep
[00:42:22] <geckosenator> but then I broke my 7" lcd
[00:42:31] <geckosenator> didn't feel like getting another one for $70
[00:42:53] <ds2> heh... they are steep in singles
[00:43:37] <geckosenator> the picoprojector is going to be worse
[00:43:47] <geckosenator> but I don't know of another way I can easily get a decent portable screen
[00:43:48] <ds2> heh.. I _LOVE_ my pico
[00:43:57] <geckosenator> how big can it go?
[00:44:05] <geckosenator> when it's completely dark
[00:44:11] <geckosenator> can you get a 2' screen?
[00:44:15] <ds2> I've had the pico doing okay from floor to ceiling
[00:44:23] <geckosenator> oh
[00:44:24] <ds2> 2' is easy
[00:44:27] <geckosenator> really?
[00:44:28] <geckosenator> sweet
[00:44:35] <geckosenator> have you measured the current?
[00:44:48] <geckosenator> I guess it doesn't matter so much since I'm probably getting one
[00:44:48] <ds2> not yet, but it does run a bit warm
[00:44:59] <geckosenator> but it woudl be interesting to compare currents at various brightnesses
[00:45:11] <geckosenator> becaue I would be happy with a 18" screen when it's dark
[00:45:14] <geckosenator> maybe I can save some power
[00:45:22] <ds2> eventually, I want to a VGA to HDMI adapter and a S-Video to HDMI adapter so I can drive teh Pico with VGA and S-Video
[00:45:36] <geckosenator> I have parallel to vga
[00:45:47] <geckosenator> I can send you a board already made, but not tested :-P
[00:45:54] <ds2> won't help me
[00:45:59] <geckosenator> oh well
[00:46:10] <maelcum> parallel to vga? two frames per second?
[00:46:11] <geckosenator> yeah it's the opposite
[00:46:27] <ds2> VGA to Pico won't need that; I need VGA - parallel - parallel - DVI
[00:46:29] <geckosenator> maelcum: like digital lcd data signals
[00:46:42] <ds2> conceptually, this is all pretty trivial
[00:46:47] <geckosenator> well you need the same dvi encoder on the beagle
[00:46:58] <geckosenator> along with a vga decoder which exist
[00:47:01] <geckosenator> you can get parts for it
[00:47:05] <ds2> i would prefer a simplier DVI encoder then the one on the beagle
[00:47:18] <geckosenator> well maybe
[00:47:18] <ds2> but the S-Video converter is higher up on the list
[00:47:24] <geckosenator> but I would use the same one on the beagle
[00:47:28] <geckosenator> since I can copy the schematic too
[00:47:49] <geckosenator> I'm going to try svideo to rca
[00:47:52] <geckosenator> have you done that?
[00:48:04] <geckosenator> I got a cheap adapter for it, haven't tried it yet
[00:48:42] <ds2> yeah
[00:48:55] <geckosenator> it would be convenient if there is a tv nearby
[00:48:56] <ds2> no reason to ever build one of those... I can get them at less then $1 for each
[00:49:06] <geckosenator> I think I paid like $4
[00:49:09] <geckosenator> with shipping and all
[00:49:14] <ds2> it is just a connector + a cap
[00:49:37] <ds2> there is a guy at the local electronics swap meet that has them for $1 so no shipping
[00:49:46] <ds2> geckosenator: did the invoice attachment get through?
[00:49:48] <geckosenator> yeah
[00:49:58] <geckosenator> I got 1 piece of paper
[00:50:00] <geckosenator> is that it?
[00:50:04] <ds2> no, in email
[00:50:23] <geckosenator> let me see
[00:50:46] <geckosenator> yes I got it
[00:51:37] <ds2> good, let me send you the notes as an attachment... some mail sites likes to eat attachments
[00:52:06] <geckosenator> yeah
[00:52:44] <ds2> notes sent
[00:52:58] <geckosenator> I won't have the parts until next week
[00:56:11] <ds2> geckosenator: what's your reasons for sticking with this LCD?
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[00:57:37] <geckosenator> I already have one
[00:57:47] <geckosenator> you already made the adapter board for the new beagle
[00:57:51] <geckosenator> it's low power
[00:58:07] <geckosenator> do you have better reasons I should switch?
[00:58:17] <ds2> I see... I am coming to the conclusion, that LCD sucks
[00:58:26] <geckosenator> this one or all?
[00:58:31] <ds2> I guess not unless you want to do more with it
[00:58:45] <ds2> the PSP LCD... more trouble then it is worth
[00:59:00] <ds2> I might go look for another 4.3" LCD that doesn't has as many issues
[00:59:15] <geckosenator> so you get some of the same color issues?
[00:59:34] <ds2> ser 24057 2009-04-20 18:44 job_15-ExpressPCB.pdf
[00:59:34] <ds2> -rw------- 1 user user 41178 2009-04-20 18:45 job_16-ExpressPCB.pdf
[00:59:34] <ds2> -rw------- 1 user user 77812 2009-04-21 16:47 job_17-_Order_Confirmation_.pdf
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[00:59:35] <ds2> -rw------- 1 user user 128052 2009-01-29 18:48 job_1-_Coupon_Display_.pdf
[00:59:37] <ds2> -rw------- 1 user user 79605 2009-04-22 00:53 job_20-_Order_Information___Newark_com_.pdf
[00:59:39] <ds2> -rw------- 1 user user 100077 2009-04-22 18:07 job_21-_Digi-Key_-_Submit_.pdf
[00:59:41] <ds2> -rw------- 1 user user 43070 2009-05-14 17:49 job_26-assembly_html_.pdf
[00:59:43] <ds2> -rw------- 1 user user 15238 2009-03-02 20:51 job_4-ExpressPCB.pdf
[00:59:45] <ds2> -rw------- 1 user user 35174 2009-03-09 00:02 job_5-ExpressPCB.pdf
[00:59:47] <ds2> -rw-r--r-- 1 user user 148146 2009-03-09 00:04 job_5-ExpressPCB.ps
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[01:07:03] <geckosenator> hmm
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[01:12:10] <Downix> I haz Palm!
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[01:17:38] <Crofton|work> Downix, that is funny on several levels
[01:18:28] <Downix> hehe
[01:18:38] <Downix> hey, I've had this Palm Vx for years but lacked the charger for it
[01:18:41] <Downix> finally located one
[01:18:53] <Animule> http://www.fertilityblend.com/
[01:22:38] <Animule> and palm = good
[01:24:29] <Downix> it might be an older 68k Palm, but it's all mine
[01:24:35] <Downix> just wish it had WiFi
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[01:25:27] <ds2> sorry about that... eeePC mouse touch bad buttons are AFU
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[01:33:54] <favor> does anyone know if phonon can use gst ti plugin to get dsp hardware acceleration?
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[01:43:42] <Tartarus> hey all, anyone know if there's a filesize limit on fatload?
[01:44:46] <Tartarus> OK, fucking hell, binutils-2.17 won't do gcc 4.3.x for cortexa8, guess I'll really have to just bite the bullet on compiler stuff tomorrow and make our frakengcc
[01:44:47] <Tartarus> ga
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[01:49:51] <mru> you need binutils 2.18 or better
[01:50:56] <Tartarus> yeah, sorry. I know what i'll have to do for this special needs gcc/binutils combo. But u-boot is perplexing me :)
[01:51:06] <Tartarus> trying to load a 36mb image off of mmc so I can write to nand
[01:51:18] <Tartarus> taking so long it seems like i've hung
[01:51:36] <Tartarus> but, ${loadaddr} should be low enough to be fine, unless u-boot isn't setting up the full 256mb
[01:52:07] <mru> u-boot should configure all the memory
[01:52:20] <Tartarus> yeah, it should
[01:52:43] <Tartarus> but it shouldn't take 5min+ to copy 16mb off mmc
[01:53:52] <Tartarus> 8mb loads in maybe 20-30sec
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[01:54:33] <mru> maybe there's a problem with large files
[01:54:41] <Tartarus> yeah, looking like it
[01:54:46] <mru> split it in smaller files and load to adjacent addresses
[01:55:12] <Tartarus> good idea, heh
[01:58:21] <favor> is anyone familiar with phonon?
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[02:02:15] <Tartarus> Hmmm, I wonder if there's a memory problem really:
[02:02:16] <Tartarus> # fatload mmc 0 0x80A00000 xab 0xA00000
[02:02:16] <Tartarus> reading xab
[02:02:21] <Tartarus> ... hang like before
[02:03:06] <mru> try playing with mm and md
[02:06:40] <Tartarus> hmm, that's working fine
[02:06:47] <Tartarus> lemme get a diff card just to try that
[02:14:27] <Tartarus> diff card, same failure
[02:14:33] <Tartarus> oh well, time to just write this stupid thing from linux
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[03:46:52] <ds2> hmm
[03:47:40] * Animule loves his whiskey
[03:48:26] <ds2> for burning?
[03:48:55] <Animule> for consuming
[03:49:00] <Animule> mixed with coca-cola
[03:49:06] <ds2> ah
[03:49:10] <Animule> and a cube or two of ice
[03:49:14] <Animule> *nom*
[03:49:44] <Animule> i love my job
[03:49:52] <Animule> booze is a business expense :D
[03:50:28] <ds2> are you a dealer?
[03:51:12] <Animule> nope
[03:51:16] <Animule> nerd
[03:51:18] <Animule> test engineer
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[04:06:54] <BeagleB> Hello i am new to BeagleBoard and i just found in Uboot source code that we can ideatify board revision by using GPIO171, can you someone point me towards the manuals where i can find such information
[04:07:11] <ds2> see the the srm
[04:08:01] <BeagleB> sorry srm??
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[04:08:49] <ds2> see the list of Beagle board resources on www.beagleboard.org
[04:08:54] <ds2> SRM == System Reference Manual
[04:09:23] <Animule> solid rocket motor :P
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[04:13:25] <emeb_mac> software release manager
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[04:20:10] <favor> hi. is there someone used gst ti plugin on bb?
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[05:18:09] <ArteK> Is there meaning to buy DevKit800 ?
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[05:46:59] <favor> hi. what's the difference between codec and codec server? what's their function respective?
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[06:10:33] <AV500> favor: the codec server can hold several codecs inside
[06:10:56] <AV500> if running on the DSP, the server is the DSP "SW" and only the codecs inside can be accessed.
[06:11:16] <AV500> if you need differect codecs running that are in another server, the current server has to be stopped and another one loaded
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[06:20:35] <favor> AV500: the codec server is a "SW" running on DSP, the codec is inside the server, is that right? why people named it codec server?
[06:22:00] <AV500> maybe because is serves you codecs if you ask it for them
[06:22:04] <AV500> is->it
[06:28:35] <favor> AV500: thanks. I am reading some stuff related to TI Digital Video , I could keep on going. thanks for your explanation :)
[06:45:39] <AV500> favor: about gst ti, there is also #gst_ti :-)
[06:48:55] <favor> AV500: I know you are there,too, are you? :-)
[06:50:57] <AV500> favor: yes, but I know almost nothing about gst
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[07:17:33] <psykes> Hi all, can somebody confirm if I've got this right in my head
[07:17:46] * AV500 looks for brain scanner
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[07:18:40] <psykes> Gstreamer is a multimedia framework like direct show, their is a plugin for this called gstreamer ti
[07:18:54] <psykes> please stay with me......
[07:20:34] <psykes> their is also something called openmax as well which gstreamer has a plugin for
[07:20:42] <AV500> yes
[07:21:04] <psykes> now the codecs that gstreamer ti uses are different from the openmax codec?
[07:21:11] <psykes> s
[07:21:17] <AV500> no
[07:21:22] <AV500> they can be the same
[07:21:38] <AV500> you can have a "wrapper" for TI DSP codecs for gst or for omx
[07:21:46] <AV500> then you can wrap omx inside gst
[07:22:38] <AV500> but of course the codecs could run in either DSPLINK or DSPBRIDGE
[07:22:58] <AV500> so you could have gst->DSPLINK->CODEC or gst->DSPBRIDGE->codec
[07:23:04] <psykes> so I can write either an omx codec or a TI codec depending on which way the wind is blowing?
[07:23:18] <AV500> or omx->DSPLINK->CODEC or omx->DSPBRIDGE->code
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[07:23:26] <AV500> or gst->omx->DSPXYZ->codec
[07:23:37] <AV500> ah, and there is DMAI of course, so:
[07:23:53] <AV500> gst->gst_tiplugin->dmai->DSPLINK->codec
[07:24:09] <AV500> and then you add someting like phonon on top:
[07:24:16] <AV500> phonon->gst->gst_tiplugin->dmai->DSPLINK->codec
[07:24:27] <AV500> and then people ask here why it does not work :-)
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[07:25:21] <psykes> basically what I'm trying to achieve is off loading some audio encoding to the DSP let's call it mp3 for now
[07:25:21] <AV500> psykes: inside e.g. omx you can write a codec that runs on the ARM or on the DSP, omx should not care
[07:25:24] <AV500> same for gst
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[07:25:39] <AV500> as long as it implements the omx API for a codec
[07:25:48] <AV500> same for gst
[07:26:11] <AV500> psykes: ok, mp3 encoding on the DSP
[07:26:42] <AV500> so you need a DSP side mp3 encoder
[07:26:47] <psykes> so it sounds like writing an omx codec is going to give me good portability
[07:27:11] <AV500> well, the actual codec on the DSP will know nothing about omx or gst
[07:27:31] <psykes> it's just what it's wrapped in?
[07:27:35] <AV500> yep
[07:28:09] <AV500> so, as long as you are developing the codec, I would propose:
[07:28:16] <AV500> test_app->DSPLINK->codec
[07:28:32] <AV500> then you can later add all these wrapper if needed
[07:29:11] <psykes> ahh that's what I was looking for, guidance on a good starting point
[07:31:40] <AV500> TI has dsplink examples that provide "copy" codecs, these are a good starting point for you own work
[07:32:17] <AV500> once the "copy" example is running you can pass data in/out the DSP,then just add something slightly more clever than memcpy in the process() loop :-)
[07:34:13] <psykes> just being lazy but are the examples inside the dsp/bios or link download
[07:34:33] <AV500> sorry, I meant CodecEngine (CE)
[07:34:47] <AV500> CE download includes dsplink
[07:35:56] <AV500> e.g. for an audio encoder:
[07:36:12] <AV500> <CE folder>/examples/ti/sdo/ce/examples/codecs/audenc_copy/
[07:37:00] <psykes> thank you, I'll take a good look at that
[07:40:46] <psykes> AV500: out of curiosity are you up late or early where you are?
[07:41:04] <AV500> it is 9:40 here
[07:42:14] <psykes> 15:40 here
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[08:30:11] <Ohne> Hi everyone I found this IGEPv2 board an beagle clone has someone of you ever used this board???
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[09:14:28] <dev001> fm
[09:14:33] <dev001> good morning
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[09:16:16] <bkero> Good morning
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[09:16:18] <bkero> I've made waffles
[09:17:37] <AV500> bring 'em on
[09:17:51] <bkero> You have to come here first.
[09:17:53] <bkero> ls
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[09:20:30] <mru> goto bkero
[09:21:18] * XorA kills bkero for making him hungry
[09:21:36] <bkero> mru: You come upon a delicious waffle feast.
[09:23:02] <valhalla> are they made with a beagleboard controlled waffle maker?
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[09:24:59] <bkero> Sorry. This was made with a freeduino
[09:25:53] <valhalla> well, as long as it uses open hw it's fine :)
[09:26:29] * valhalla is getting hungry, and it's 11:26 in the morning here
[09:27:02] <dev001> mru - how can enable branch prediction code enable or not, what about d , i cache status?
[09:28:35] <mru> valhalla: I prefer my waffle hardware closed while they bake
[09:29:02] <mru> dev001: control register and auxiliary control register
[09:30:17] <dev001> i am using insight as debugging tool so i can not check with debugger.
[09:31:18] <dev001> mru - cycle monitor register data is not proper for VLD1 and VST1 instruction
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[09:36:45] <hrw> morning
[09:37:19] <dev001> mru - is there any patch to enable all this thing for kernel?
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[09:43:15] <mru> dev001: is this the vld1/vst1 anomaly you were talking about a few days ago?
[09:44:17] <eFfeM> dev001, hi ; pidgin was obscured and I am on a foreign compu).
[09:44:53] <eFfeM> bkero can't you send the waffles, eFfeM uses pidgin :-)
[09:45:04] <eFfeM> if not, where are u ?
[09:45:16] <mru> it turned out that vst followed by vld with the same address has a 10-cycle latency
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[09:51:50] <eFfeM> http://www.nemcofoodequip.com/Products/WaffleConeBakers/Default.aspx
[09:51:55] <eFfeM> digitally controlled
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[09:52:40] <eFfeM> guess a hacker can connect it to a beagle or freeduino, but they are expensive (eur 700 and op or so)
[09:53:43] <eFfeM> this reminds me of the remotely controlled coke machine from ages back (in some us computer dorm iirc)
[09:53:49] <eFfeM> long long ago :-)
[09:54:22] <bkero> eFfeM: Sorry. I'm in Oregon.
[09:54:25] <bkero> I don't use pidgin
[09:54:50] <bkero> Too much GTK for me
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[09:56:47] <mru> eFfeM: reminds me of rfc2324
[09:56:57] <mib_d82nhu> hi, I have to import in OE a library that is not in OE recipes. I have the library source file. How can I compile and import them in OE? Thanks
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[09:59:08] <dev001> mru thanx for reply but where i can get these information
[09:59:35] <mru> by benchmarking
[09:59:56] <mru> it's not in any published documentation
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[10:00:20] <mru> the good part is that there's no reason you'd ever do a store immediately followed by a load
[10:00:26] <mru> unless you're gcc of course
[10:00:29] <mru> gcc does that a lot
[10:02:47] <mib_d82nhu> mru are u speaking to me?
[10:03:06] <dev001> i want write Cortex assembly code, for that i want to know about cycle information,
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[10:03:23] <mru> then you need to look in the manual
[10:03:36] <mru> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.ddi0344i/Cfacfihf.html
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[10:05:37] <dev001> i have gone through this document but this figures are not macing with beagle board data
[10:05:54] <dev001> i want to verify this data...
[10:06:14] <mru> all the figures in that document are correct
[10:06:30] <mru> but some strange interlocks aren't documented
[10:06:31] <dev001> yes you are right..
[10:06:37] <mru> like the store/load delay
[10:07:08] <mru> oh, and don't do neon stores that cross a 16-byte boundary
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[10:07:15] <mru> that's Very Bad
[10:07:31] <eFfeM> mru, almost forgot about rfc2324, there was also a video cam monitored coffee pot at some time
[10:08:01] <dev001> ok i will take care
[10:08:55] <dev001> i have put 10 arm insutrution between neon load and store but i figure out it will take approx 40 cycles
[10:09:10] <eFfeM> mib_d82nhu: make a recipe, test it and if the recipe works mail it to the oe mailing list
[10:09:40] <eFfeM> someone on the mailing list will take care that your recipe ends up in oe (assuming it is properly done)
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[10:09:47] <eFfeM> use an existing recipe as a starter
[10:09:57] <eFfeM> also oe specific questions are better asked in #oe
[10:10:23] <eFfeM> and answers should go there too, eFfeM :-)
[10:10:50] <dev001> mru - " don't do neon stores that cross a 16-byte boundary" how you came to know bye observation?
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[10:12:10] * eFfeM gets a littke bit frustrated because he can't find the web page on this remotely controllable soda machine any more
[10:12:13] <mru> dev001: load-store doesn't have a delay
[10:12:16] <mru> only store-load
[10:12:25] <mru> and there's no reason you'd ever do store-load
[10:12:27] <lifeeth> eFfeM, soda machine -- L0L
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[10:12:44] <mru> eFfeM: the coffee pot cam was the world's first webcam iirc
[10:14:03] <dev001> sorry not load store but vld1.u32 {d0-d3} and vst1.u32 {d0-d1}
[10:14:44] <eFfeM> mru, think so
[10:14:53] <mru> dev001: that sequence is fast
[10:15:04] <mru> as long as you don't load again from the same address within 10 cycles
[10:15:08] * eFfeM was already around when the "dinette set for sale" messages were posted in net.general
[10:15:35] * mru isn't quite that old
[10:15:51] <dev001> ok thats very good
[10:16:05] * mru sometimes gets the feeling he missed the good bit
[10:16:06] <eFfeM> wish i took notes, then i could write a book now
[10:16:51] <XorA> the first thing sent on the internet was probably pr0n, Ill bet the last thing sent will be as well :-)
[10:17:35] <eFfeM> little pr0n at that time, not enough bandwidth
[10:17:37] <dev001> what other thing i have consider while accessing memory
[10:17:47] <mru> no, it will be a message with subject: v1agr4 ch34p!
[10:17:50] <eFfeM> although I had some teletype art picturing a female
[10:17:56] <XorA> eFfeM: before we had bandwidth we had alt.sex.stories :-)
[10:18:05] <eFfeM> true
[10:18:15] <eFfeM> actually the first spam message was for a dec computer
[10:18:19] <XorA> and there is loads of pr0n ascii art
[10:18:23] <eFfeM> who rememgers dec nowadays
[10:18:26] <mru> eFfeM: there's some really good ascii art out there...
[10:18:47] * mru has a dec machine running right now
[10:18:55] <eFfeM> XorA: the pr0n ascii art required a dirty mind to actually identify anything indecent
[10:19:03] <XorA> DEC Alpha, which went on to make the athlon possible
[10:19:12] <mru> and the core2
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[10:19:33] <mru> intel pinched some of the alpha engineers iirc
[10:19:58] <XorA> from what little I remeber amd licensed the tech, so intel bought the company
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[10:20:23] <dev001> mru -- is there other document which i have to refer
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[10:22:59] <mru> dev001: that document has all published timing information
[10:23:18] * eFfeM is sidetracked to http://www.livinginternet.com/u/ui_usenethist.htm
[10:24:58] <dev001> ok i will revisit the document... thank for your precious time
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[10:26:53] <eFfeM> Found the coke machine: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~coke/ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[10:27:12] * bkero wonders if the coke machine runs coda.
[10:27:23] <eFfeM> see also http://www.livinginternet.com/i/ia_myths_coke.htm
[10:28:23] <eFfeM> coffe machine webcam was from 1992, in cambridge uni: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/coffee/coffee.html
[10:28:35] <eFfeM> my day is made :-)
[10:30:20] <florian> koen: ping
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[10:33:03] <eFfeM> found the laywers: first commercial spammers: canter & siegel : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canter_%26_Siegel
[10:33:29] <eFfeM> interesting reading for the younger ones, from the time spam was rare.
[10:33:50] <eFfeM> gone for lunch, back later, spamming from another system :-)
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[10:39:29] <mib_fv9ljd> Hi
[10:40:22] <mib_fv9ljd> I want to know how we can place a large order, we want to contact to sales manager but we are unable to find a mail contact, can you help me?
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[10:46:29] <mib_fv9ljd> ony need an email address to contact with the beagleboard sales mannager or any other contact person
[10:49:26] <mru> mib_fv9ljd: talk to digikey
[10:49:59] <rob_k> Hi, where/how to look for some information about problems with USB with new u-boot? My beagle is rev B7. I'm using latest sources to build whole soft. With u-boot from 2008.06 usb (host mode selected by connecting 4th and 5th pin) works fine, with u-boot from head it's not.
[10:50:14] <mib_fv9ljd> hi, digikey told me they can't quote more than 25pcs.. and the price for 25 is the same
[10:51:05] <iscape_b> maybe ask on the list, the ti people are usually very responsive
[10:52:30] <mib_fv9ljd> what list?
[10:53:52] <iscape_b> beagleboard.org/discuss
[10:54:12] <iscape_b> google groups mailing list
[10:54:41] <mib_fv9ljd> ok
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[11:03:10] <dev001> hi
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[11:10:40] <meek> hey, does anyone have a touchscreen working with beagleboard?
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[11:14:14] <meek> or a touchscreen connector? or something
[11:14:27] <meek> for the beagle
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[11:22:42] <mcgeagh> has anyone successfully managed to get 720p output on android with beagle?
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[11:40:50] <Crofton|work> any dsplink gurus handy?
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[11:51:28] <mib_7l1dal> Hello
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[11:52:47] <mib_7l1dal> Can someone send me the sgx(angstrom) libs via mails, please
[11:53:08] <hrw> mib_7l1dal: can you spend few minutes on reading howtos?
[11:53:10] <hrw> please?
[11:53:15] <Crofton|work> I trying to figure out the mem= setting for dsplink built from codec engine ....
[11:54:04] <mib_7l1dal> I have read ist, but I have only an eeepc and bitpak needs 15gb this is to much for my eeepc
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[12:08:38] <Crofton|work> RogerMonk|linux, ping
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[12:49:51] <vapula> hi
[12:50:00] <vapula> finally got my beagleboard :)
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[12:50:08] <vapula> (rev C2)
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[12:50:22] <vapula> any clue how much the Mistral board and the beagle are compatible ?
[12:50:55] <AV500> the parts that are the same are
[12:51:46] <AV500> but you would not be able to boot a BB kernel on the EVM I guess
[12:52:16] <mru> kernel might work
[12:52:21] <mru> u-boot won't
[12:52:29] <mru> pin mux is almost certainly different
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[12:52:46] <JahJah> Hello all
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[12:56:32] <JahJah> I have a trouble... i'm under mandriva with minicom and using a USB to serial connection ... After i have saw the boot of my beagle and OMAP prompt ... I could'nt see it again..
[12:57:41] <Crofton|work> JahJah, drop the coloured text ....
[12:58:15] <JahJah> ok..
[12:58:45] <mru> coloured text does get peoples attention, but not in the way you'd want it
[12:59:05] <AV500> at leat he could make it match his nick color...
[12:59:07] <AV500> +s
[12:59:22] <mru> the nick colour is decided by your client
[12:59:33] <AV500> I know, makes it a bit harder :-)
[12:59:36] <mru> mine so happened to actually match the colours
[12:59:37] <Crofton|work> it was the same colour on mine
[12:59:47] <mru> Crofton|work: what client do you use?
[12:59:51] <Crofton|work> xchat
[12:59:59] <mru> irssi w/ nickcolour.pl here
[13:00:33] <mru> I think it uses some hashing so nick colours are not entirely random
[13:00:38] <Crofton|work> mrdo you know about the mem= for dsplink?
[13:00:47] <AV500> mem=
[13:00:48] <AV500> mem=?
[13:00:54] <Crofton|work> kernel arg
[13:00:54] <mru> other than that it sucks, no
[13:00:59] <Crofton|work> heh
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[13:01:10] <Crofton|work> I need to know how bad it sucks
[13:01:18] <AV500> Crofton|work: yes, what about the kernel arg?
[13:01:39] <Crofton|work> does it need to match what is built in dsplink?
[13:01:45] <mru> Crofton|work: it takes your memory away, isn't that bad enough?
[13:02:06] <AV500> Crofton|work: it needs to match the mem you take away for DSPLINK and CMEM
[13:02:08] <mru> dsplink afaik hard-codes a specific physical address that it uses
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[13:02:09] <Crofton|work> and I am on an A5 so I have less to lose
[13:02:13] <mru> which is at 88M or something
[13:02:33] <Crofton|work> ok, I guess I need to RTFS
[13:02:42] <Crofton|work> that is what I was afraid off
[13:02:50] <Crofton|work> I keep hoping someone will say they fixed it
[13:03:36] <mru> I keep hoping someone will replace dsplink entirely
[13:03:52] <mru> I'd do it, but I don't have the time
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[13:04:59] * Crofton|work me too
[13:05:17] <mru> how long would it take to replace? 6 months?
[13:05:32] <mru> I'll do it for 50k GBP
[13:05:41] <AV500> mru: replace with what?
[13:05:44] <AV500> ffmpeg=
[13:05:46] <AV500> ffmpeg?
[13:05:46] <mru> something new
[13:05:54] <mru> dsplink is just the dsp manager
[13:06:02] * AV500 knows what it is
[13:06:24] <mru> I'd like something lightweight that integrates nicely with the kernel vm system
[13:06:36] <mru> taking full advantage of the iva mmu
[13:07:04] <AV500> yes, but then it becomes IVA2 specific
[13:07:30] <mru> so?
[13:07:47] <AV500> nothing, just less interest for TI I guess
[13:07:51] <mru> so?
[13:07:59] <AV500> nothing :-)
[13:08:01] <mru> don't they want people to use their chips?
[13:08:07] <AV500> I am not sure
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[13:08:18] <mru> why did they even put the mmu there?
[13:08:26] <mru> if they refuse to use it
[13:08:36] <AV500> copy & paste in the VHDL editor?
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[13:09:12] <AV500> I guess the HW team in japan put the MMU, then it got lost in translation :-)
[13:09:58] <mru> the dsp would be so much easier to use with proper virtual memory management
[13:10:59] * AV500 agrees
[13:11:17] <AV500> we asked the DSPLINK team for this change last year
[13:11:20] <mru> seems a lot of people agree
[13:11:27] <mru> what did they say?
[13:11:38] <AV500> "nice idea, will do it when we have time"
[13:11:50] <mru> oh, but that wouldn't work on those ancient chips that someone still uses
[13:12:03] <AV500> yep
[13:12:12] <mru> so let them use the old version
[13:12:40] <mru> I don't understand why companies make great hardware, then make it impossible to use
[13:12:55] <mru> sure, you can always program it yourself
[13:12:57] <AV500> me neither
[13:13:20] <mru> but then there's the video accelerators...
[13:13:47] <AV500> thats where the 3rd parties come in handy :-)
[13:14:07] <AV500> "see, all these companies will eagerly sell you codecs..." :-)
[13:14:55] <mru> and they still use dsplink
[13:14:59] <mru> so back to square 1
[13:15:21] <AV500> no, they would use XDAIS/XDM, which could work outside of dsplink
[13:15:31] <mru> what's that?
[13:15:43] <mru> too many things are called xdm
[13:16:11] <AV500> eXpressDSP Digital Media (xDM)
[13:16:15] <AV500> http://www.google.com/search?q=xdais+xdm
[13:16:43] <mru> something tells me it costs money...
[13:17:00] <AV500> well, its an alg standard
[13:17:07] <AV500> to programm you codec against
[13:17:24] <AV500> then it becomes plug and play in the TI DSP world - more or less
[13:17:28] <mru> I'd like something small and free that just does the job of getting your code onto the dsp
[13:17:43] <mru> and plays nicely with linux
[13:18:44] <AV500> yes, you could drop all the TI stuff and just use the ARM/DSP shared mem and IRQ to make a very simple interface
[13:18:50] <mru> I've seen some kernel patches floating about for generic management of all the varous MMUs on the omap
[13:18:57] <AV500> we did that in the past on <= DM320
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[13:19:23] <mru> hell, I could even live without the mmu
[13:19:30] <AV500> mem=
[13:19:58] <mru> there's a huge space in between that and fully virtual memory management
[13:20:29] <AV500> yes, you can also make the DSP use linux DMA mem
[13:20:33] <AV500> as long as you map it
[13:20:59] <mru> a good intermediate point would be to allocate some amount of physical pages wherever, and program the statically as a linear mapping in the dsp mmu
[13:21:14] <AV500> yep
[13:21:20] <mru> trivial to do
[13:21:28] <AV500> look at the ISP mmu, this one is used to map linux virt mem to the ISP
[13:21:30] <mru> and trivial to map to arm userpsace too
[13:22:06] <AV500> even on a per call basis
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[13:23:37] <AV500> mru: btw, is the lavf mkv muxer considered useable?
[13:23:53] <Yuvi> if there's bugs tell me
[13:23:56] <Yuvi> I'll fix em
[13:24:16] <mru> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.arm.omap/15800
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[13:25:08] <mru> mkv is almost as bad as ogg but in a different way
[13:25:24] <Yuvi> at least it has timestamps
[13:25:29] <mru> sort of
[13:25:31] <XorA> ~shoot mkv for being probably the worst container format on earth
[13:25:37] <mru> ogg is the worst
[13:25:48] <XorA> at least ogg has support :-)
[13:25:50] <Yuvi> only if you use lacing do some samples not have any
[13:25:57] <Yuvi> which lavf's muxer doesn't
[13:26:08] <mru> I don't care if some samples lack an explicit timestamp
[13:26:12] <XorA> I dont get all the morons who keep wrapping perfectly good mpeg streams in mkv containers
[13:26:19] <mru> what I dislike is the immense complexity of the coding
[13:26:30] <Yuvi> the whole ebml mess?
[13:26:40] <suihkulokki> same morons who put the mkv in a .rar file?
[13:26:41] <mru> that too
[13:26:45] <mru> I was thinking of the timestamps
[13:26:50] <mru> there's like 5 ways of coding them
[13:26:50] <XorA> suihkulokki: yes
[13:26:54] <mru> and all of them suck
[13:26:59] <Yuvi> ?
[13:27:08] <Yuvi> only multiple ways is that each cluster has one
[13:27:14] <Yuvi> and each block is differential to that
[13:27:25] <Yuvi> block being a sample
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[13:27:48] <mru> I distinctly remember some element having 3 different codings
[13:27:55] <mru> one of them xiph-inspired
[13:27:58] <Yuvi> oh lacing
[13:28:12] <mru> and those values can occur in multiple configurations too
[13:28:13] <XorA> ~shoot AV500 just in case its his fault
[13:28:19] <mru> XorA: it's not
[13:28:24] <mib_l8qldg> how PLD improves performance
[13:28:33] <mru> mib_l8qldg: by magic
[13:28:47] <Yuvi> yeah, lacing is rather annoying
[13:29:13] <mib_l8qldg> my memset code improves by 40 %
[13:29:34] <mru> write-allocate caches?
[13:30:21] <mib_l8qldg> i am using prebuild images so dont know
[13:30:51] <mib_l8qldg> just large memset and memcpy for video frame buffer
[13:32:20] <mib_l8qldg> previously it takes 132 cycle for 128 byte now 80 cycles
[13:32:34] <mib_l8qldg> how can improve more
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[13:32:50] <mib_l8qldg> but 80 is also high according to me
[13:34:44] <mru> mib_l8qldg: you're memcpying video frames !??!?!
[13:34:54] <mcgeagh> Hi all, can anyone help? Im trying to get Android to output at 1280x720. Has anyone had any success in this?
[13:35:20] <mru> mcgeagh: 1280x720 what? bugs per minute?
[13:35:37] <mcgeagh> screen resolution of course
[13:36:03] <AV500> mru: behave!
[13:36:06] <mcgeagh> from the how-to, they use the bootargs of 1280x720, but mine always defaults back to 1024x768
[13:36:11] <XorA> Android HD sounds quite scary
[13:36:46] <AV500> mcgeagh: I doubt that android cares about bootargs
[13:36:52] <mcgeagh> ive tried 3 different kernels, all do the same
[13:37:30] <mcgeagh> as far as i can tell, the bootargs is the only way to tell it what res u want. i dont see anything in the filesystem that overrides this
[13:37:43] <mib_l8qldg> no but doing memset
[13:37:43] <tor2> Isn't the Android screen a graphical screen? It won't depend on kernel resolution then (which is a console resolution).
[13:37:53] <AV500> I am quite sure that android has its resolution codec inside
[13:38:02] <AV500> codec
[13:38:04] <AV500> coded!
[13:38:43] <mcgeagh> so it will always do 1024x768?
[13:39:24] <mcgeagh> ill try setting bootargs to a lower res... brb
[13:39:32] <AV500> it will do what you tell it to do
[13:41:47] <AV500> mcgeagh: seems I was wrong, look like android gets its res from the FB
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[13:47:20] <vapula> bye
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[13:49:05] <mcgeagh> hmm, it seems yes, the bootargs do fuck all
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[13:49:23] <mcgeagh> how do u change the res then
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[13:49:53] <AV500> well, android gets the res from the FB, so Q is, what sets up the FB?
[13:50:41] <mru> the kernel of course
[13:51:03] <mcgeagh> indeed... im still adiment that its the kernel not the filesystem, so could be the kernel configuration file that sets that up?
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[14:04:24] <mcgeagh> im still failing to find where its set... anyone?
[14:04:45] <AV500> you have a kernel boot log?
[14:05:46] <mcgeagh> err... i can logcat, if thats the same
[14:06:22] <AV500> you have no seria logs when u boot?
[14:06:26] <AV500> you have no serial logs when u boot?
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[14:11:58] <mcgeagh> back... yeah got that too
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[14:19:13] <mcgeagh> http://pastebin.ca/1423707
[14:19:17] <mcgeagh> is the bootlog
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[14:22:46] <mcgeagh> AV500, do u want me to upload the logcat aswell? or is that bootlog good enough. btw, thx for the help!
[14:26:33] <AV500> mcgeagh: no idea, I hoped to see something fb related there
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[14:27:09] <mcgeagh> same... the logcat has some info related to the res... il c+p the bits that are relevant
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[14:28:50] <mcgeagh> I/EGLDisplaySurface( 670): using (fd=22)
[14:28:50] <mcgeagh> I/EGLDisplaySurface( 670): id = omapfb
[14:28:50] <mcgeagh> I/EGLDisplaySurface( 670): xres = 1024 px
[14:28:50] <mcgeagh> I/EGLDisplaySurface( 670): yres = 768 px
[14:28:50] <mcgeagh> I/EGLDisplaySurface( 670): xres_virtual = 1024 px
[14:28:51] <mcgeagh> I/EGLDisplaySurface( 670): yres_virtual = 1536 px
[14:28:53] <mcgeagh> I/EGLDisplaySurface( 670): bpp = 16
[14:28:55] <mcgeagh> I/EGLDisplaySurface( 670): r = 11:5
[14:28:59] <mcgeagh> I/EGLDisplaySurface( 670): g = 5:6
[14:29:01] <mcgeagh> I/EGLDisplaySurface( 670): b = 0:5
[14:29:03] <mcgeagh> I/EGLDisplaySurface( 670): width = 163 mm (159.568100 dpi)
[14:29:05] <mcgeagh> I/EGLDisplaySurface( 670): height = 122 mm (159.895081 dpi)
[14:29:07] <mcgeagh> I/EGLDisplaySurface( 670): refresh rate = 74.49 Hz
[14:29:25] <AV500> okok. so the fb is setup at 1024x768
[14:29:47] <AV500> btw, what kernel is this?
[14:29:52] <mcgeagh> yes, so need to find where/how to change that
[14:29:59] <mcgeagh> 2.6.27
[14:31:47] <XorA> mcgeagh: how about omapfb.mode=dvi:1280x768MR-16@60
[14:32:10] <mcgeagh> in the bootargs?
[14:32:15] <XorA> yeah
[14:32:33] <mcgeagh> ill give it a go, but think we established that the kernel ignores it...
[14:32:43] <XorA> thats different to what you put
[14:32:45] <mcgeagh> and ill assume u meant 720 not 768
[14:32:55] <mcgeagh> true
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[14:33:09] <XorA> on my tv 720p is actuall 768 and it seems pretty common :-)
[14:33:29] <mcgeagh> true
[14:33:34] <mcgeagh> will try both, thx
[14:33:40] <mru> many TVs have a native panel resolution of 1366x768
[14:33:43] <XorA> but give both a try, I dont have a beagle in front of me
[14:34:07] <mru> the same TVs will *refuse* to accept that resolution on the hdmi input
[14:34:09] <AV500> mcgeagh: yes, 2.6.27 I see myself, but from why source? what repository?
[14:34:11] <mru> bastards
[14:34:35] <XorA> mru: my tv refesuses to send valid modes via EDID, its really annoying
[14:34:53] <AV500> help the economy, buy a new TV!
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[14:35:02] <mru> mine only lies about the physical dimensions of the panel
[14:35:12] <mru> so dpi values get f*cked up
[14:35:19] <XorA> mine fucks up all the frequencies so the picture is never centered
[14:35:22] <mru> easy to override of course
[14:35:37] <mru> and wouldn't be a problem if silly gtk didn't insist on resizing fonts based on dpi
[14:35:41] <mru> idiots
[14:35:47] <XorA> doesnt work in windows either so defineately not an xorg bug
[14:36:07] <Crofton> this dsplink stuff is annoying
[14:36:13] <mru> Crofton: yes, very
[14:36:32] <mru> I say we take the biggest cluebat we can find and travel to texas
[14:36:37] <Crofton> heh
[14:36:56] <AV500> Crofton: what annoys you atm?
[14:37:03] <Crofton> I'll settle for figuring out the mem= number for dsplink built by OE with the codec engine recipe
[14:37:35] <AV500> Crofton: usually the mem layout is : linux, CMEM, DSPLINK
[14:37:41] <AV500> so that start of CMEM is the end of linux
[14:37:52] <Crofton> yeah
[14:38:02] <Crofton> but I need to know how it was setup
[14:38:11] <mcgeagh> AV500 the kernel is from http://labs.embinux.org/ under Download binaries
[14:38:20] <Crofton> hunting around in the CE tarball is not helpful
[14:38:48] <mcgeagh> and XorA, that bootarg didnt work....
[14:39:25] <AV500> Crofton: CE might come with a default mapping, but the actuall app that will use it really defines it in the end
[14:39:53] <AV500> mcgeagh: yes, the embinux kernel might not be dss2
[14:41:14] <mcgeagh> im unfamiliar with what dss2 is...... if its to do with the bootargs 'omapfb.video_mode=' then ive also tried 'video=omapfb:mode:'
[14:42:11] <mcgeagh> and ive tried building the kernel from source, but that gets weird, cuz it always sets the refresh rate to 75Hz, which certain old monitors dont like
[14:43:40] <AV500> Crofton: default seems to be in packages/ti/sdo/ce/ipc/dsplink/DspLinkCfg.xdc
[14:45:09] <AV500> in CE2.21, CMEM starts at 85000000, so mem=80
[14:45:15] <Crofton> heh
[14:45:19] <Crofton> I have 2.23
[14:45:26] <AV500> see also examples/apps/system_files/OMAP3530/loadmodules.sh
[14:45:38] <AV500> insmod cmemk.ko phys_start=0x85000000 phys_end=0x86000000 pools=20x4096,10x131072,2x1048576
[14:46:28] <AV500> is there anything in the OE stuff that does the actual cmemk insmod? if yes, the address there is the start of CMEM
[14:46:40] <Crofton> I do not think I need to load cmem.ko for dsplink ...
[14:47:03] <AV500> not sure, I know that dsplink asks cmem for its start adress
[14:47:37] <AV500> yes, you can prolly insmod dsplink w/o cmem, but not sure you can use it
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[14:48:26] <Crofton> dsplink buitl alone did not need it I think
[14:48:52] <Crofton> not sure if that is still true
[14:49:08] <Crofton> they are all obsessed with codec engine
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[14:52:16] <Crofton> I'll try 80 and dsplinnk alone and see what happens
[14:52:40] <AV500> nothing should happen, just loading dsplink will do almost nothing
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[15:04:58] <mcgeagh> thats it... ive decided that its not possible
[15:04:59] <mcgeagh> lol
[15:05:19] <AV500> mcgeagh: well, it is
[15:05:45] <mcgeagh> dont say that, cuz ill have to find out how if it is... and i dont see that happening anytime soon
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[15:06:34] <AV500> mcgeagh: I have no idea how the embinux android release works and where it sets up the fb
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[15:07:09] <AV500> but why not ask them, they read the BB ml
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[15:07:51] <srv> crofton: /usr/share/ti-dmai/loadmodules-ti-dmai-apps.sh does that
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[15:08:07] <AV500> srv: and what is inside?
[15:08:39] <srv> its is a script which loads kernel modules cmem and dsplink
[15:08:51] <AV500> yes, cmem where?
[15:09:02] <AV500> what start adress
[15:09:20] <srv> 0x85800000
[15:09:28] <AV500> ok, so mem=88
[15:09:34] <srv> yes thats right
[15:09:37] <AV500> Crofton: 88 is your friend
[15:09:49] <Crofton> ok
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[15:09:57] <srv> but anything less than 88 will also do
[15:10:16] <srv> anyone using sakoman u-boot on evm?
[15:10:23] <AV500> coz in your (OE) case, dmai is the CE "app" and it has a mem map that loads cmem from 88
[15:11:03] <srv> i get linking errors with that
[15:11:04] <AV500> which for most of the current CE use is way to much mem given to the DSP that is never used
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[15:11:35] <srv> is dspbridge and related components integrated with OE?
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[15:30:53] <Crofton|work> mem=80 leads to kernel not doing anything after uncompressiong
[15:30:57] <Crofton|work> debug after lunch
[15:32:39] <AV500> what was it before?
[15:32:46] <AV500> not the lunch, the mem
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[15:36:22] <Crofton|work> AV500, not set
[15:36:35] <Crofton|work> In the scary department, loading dsplink does not load cmem
[15:36:39] <Crofton|work> which is awesome
[15:36:52] <Crofton|work> and the message test seems to work, without the mem setting
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[15:37:06] <Crofton|work> although, I suspect system stability is compromised
[15:37:15] * Crofton|work really goes to lunch :)
[15:37:58] <srv> crofton: both are different module
[15:41:14] <srv> which u-boot and x-load is recommended? sakoman.net or mru's or denx.de's?
[15:41:42] <mru> mine is badly out of touch with mainline
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[15:41:51] <mru> and most, if not all, of my changes have been merged
[15:42:01] <srv> is the mainline u-boot complete
[15:42:09] <srv> i still see patches on those
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[15:43:26] <srv> if all omap related stuff exists on mainline and is it usable?
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[16:01:04] <xander-mx> Hi there. Is there someone who knows about connecting external audio codecs? I remember once talking to somebody here from the west coast.
[16:01:12] <xander-mx> that knew. =)
[16:02:29] <eFfeM> no idea, but this was definitely discussed on the mailing list
[16:02:43] <eFfeM> btw: hi everyone & Crofton, enjoy your lunch :-)
[16:02:47] * eFfeM just had dinner
[16:03:19] <eFfeM> srv, i use the u-boot and mlo from the revC validation page
[16:03:32] * hrw just had pizza
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[16:07:40] * AV500 just had leftover ice cream
[16:08:44] <_don__> hello folks - after building console-image, does anyone know why I might end up with a /dev directory full of zero-length normal files instead of mknod files? This just started happening and I'm wondering what changed in my env to cause this.
[16:09:19] <eFfeM> AV500: that icecread would go nicely with the waffles from bkero from earlier today
[16:09:29] <hrw> _don__: do not look into tmp/rootfs
[16:09:32] <eFfeM> s/icecread/icecream/
[16:09:43] <hrw> _don__: use tmp/deploy/glibc/images/beagleboard/*.tar.gz
[16:09:49] <_don__> that's what I'm looking at
[16:09:53] <AV500> eFfeM: yes (sigh)
[16:10:38] <hrw> _don__: my tarball has nodes
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[16:11:26] <_don__> hmmm. Yeah, I'm thinking something change in my env to cause this, but don't know what it may be. I reverted to a point in time that I knew worked, but still have the issue.
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[16:12:20] <_don__> I thought maybe I wasn't untarring with "sudo", but I looked at the .tar.gz itself and it doesn't have nodes.
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[16:13:39] <_don__> I'll try finding the logs for the image creation to see if they can clue me in as to what went wrong.
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[16:15:30] <xander-mx> ?
[16:15:40] <_don__> ahh, this looks suspicious: ERROR: ld.so: object 'libfakeroot.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored.
[16:15:46] <xander-mx> sorry, browser crashed. so, anyone?
[16:16:09] <xander-mx> anyone around here knows about audio codecs ;) in the west coast
[16:17:37] <hrw> _don__: and thats the reason
[16:17:58] <_don__> yep - can't make node files :)
[16:18:39] <_don__> now to find out how this got broken on my box...
[16:19:52] <AV500> xander-mx: what do you want to know?
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[16:22:24] <eFfeM> xander-mx: no idea, but this was definitely discussed on the mailing list
[16:24:37] <_don__> hrw - looks like it's trying to preload "libfakeroot.so", but OE builds a lib named "libfakeroot-0.so" and I don't see a sym-link named "libfakeroot.so" anywhere. I don't have fakeroot installed on my box, which may be masking this for others.
[16:25:03] <hrw> interesting
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[16:25:36] <hrw> let me check
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[16:32:30] <xander-mx> AV500: well, a mate and I are connecting an external audio codec to the beagle
[16:32:36] <xander-mx> we have made progress.
[16:32:56] <xander-mx> from the last time I discussed this here in the IRC
[16:33:21] <xander-mx> but would certainly find helpful someone to talk about this progress to know if we are on the right track or not
[16:33:40] <XorA> xander-mx: what codec?
[16:34:07] <XorA> xander-mx: there is a channel for ASoC #alsa-soc
[16:34:32] <xander-mx> is there?
[16:34:35] <XorA> yes
[16:34:39] * XorA founded it
[16:34:43] <xander-mx> how do I connect to that one?
[16:34:50] <XorA> /join #alsa-soc
[16:35:02] <xander-mx> and the codec is an ADAU1761
[16:35:07] <xander-mx> from Analog Devices
[16:35:09] <xander-mx> =)
[16:35:18] <xander-mx> so, is it better to log in to that one?
[16:35:27] <XorA> sit on both
[16:35:34] <xander-mx> can I?
[16:35:35] <xander-mx> :O
[16:35:47] <XorA> well if you webclient doesnt support it find a better one :-)
[16:36:06] <xander-mx> hahaha. it does. I'm there now
[16:40:08] <AV500> xander-mx: where does MCLK come from?
[16:43:18] <xander-mx> um
[16:43:45] <xander-mx> we have a pin so we can get it from the omap, but right now we are using the internal oscillator
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[16:46:55] <AV500> internal?
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[16:49:46] <AV500> xander-mx: I check the data sheet, it has a PLL on MCLK so you are pretty free what you feed it there
[16:49:52] <AV500> good chip
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[16:50:49] <xander-mx> that's correct
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[17:13:43] * Crofton|work wonders if mem=88 means 88 bytes ....
[17:13:57] <AV500> Crofton|work: yes, try 88M
[17:13:58] <AV500> sorry
[17:14:05] <Crofton|work> heh
[17:14:16] * AV500 hopes lunch was ok at lleast
[17:14:16] <Crofton|work> I realized that coming back from lunch :)
[17:14:40] <AV500> sorry, I assumed you were a mem= juggler like me
[17:15:33] <Crofton|work> yeah
[17:15:37] <Crofton|work> I should have asked
[17:15:53] <Crofton|work> I put the m in, then took it out becasuse you hadn't done it
[17:15:59] <Crofton|work> I need to trust my instincts
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[17:23:01] <Crofton|work> ok 88M works
[17:23:11] <Crofton|work> and dsplink does not require cmem
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[17:24:00] <AV500> nope
[17:24:05] <AV500> but CE does
[17:26:23] <Crofton|work> I do not care about CE
[17:28:15] * AV500 shuts up about CE
[17:28:39] <Crofton|work> basically, I want to move stuff into the dsp and do signal processing
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[17:30:37] <Crofton|work> I suspect I could use codec engine, but I think it is overkill
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[17:31:31] <AV500> up to you.
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[17:31:57] <AV500> I found it easy to just take an CE example and insert my code into the empty process() call
[17:32:32] <Crofton|work> I am hoping to do the same with one of the dsp link examples
[17:32:43] <AV500> ok
[17:33:10] * Crofton|work crosses fingers
[17:33:19] <Crofton|work> at least the examples seem to work now :)
[17:36:59] <AV500> what do they do?
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[17:38:12] <Guest1130> does anyone know what webcam work with this board?
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[17:45:42] <hrw> have a nice weekend
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[17:46:49] <_don__> hrw - FYI I've been debugging more. I'm at the point where the tarball is created. From inside the fakeroot shell, the /dev dir looks fine, but even when I run tar by hand the resulting tar file loses the nodes. I don't think the LD_PRELOAD is the issue.
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[18:08:40] <_don__> ah - got it. My normal env had LD_LIBRARY_PATH set and something is preventing it from getting re-set to staging/i686-linux/usr/lib. As a result, "tar" can't load fakeroot and dev nodes are lost. I knew it was probably an env issue.
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[18:39:12] <florian> re
[18:39:16] <florian> koen: ping
[18:50:03] <Crofton|work> he hasn't been arounf
[18:50:14] <Crofton|work> maybe he is measuring young women?
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[19:05:48] <mru> koen: let me know if you find any of my size
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[19:24:02] <zeusss_> hi, i have a problem with my angstrom demo. i cant ping google, but my router gives me the right ip-adress. the only way (i know) is ifdown eth0 and ifup eth0 to get it working. is there a way to do this automatically after the boot process
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[20:02:44] <tequilaworm> Does anyone knows a good doc that explains how to use/config tslib?
[20:03:22] <hrw> tequilaworm: use in apps?
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[20:05:19] <tequilaworm> Tslib is an abstraction layer for touchscreen panel events
[20:06:43] <hrw> tequilaworm: I know. I use tslib on my devices
[20:06:56] <hrw> but mostly with x11 which takes care of tslib access
[20:07:23] <tequilaworm> sorry, My target system is Android
[20:07:49] <hrw> ah.. android.. no help then - I never touched it
[20:08:19] <tequilaworm> neither do I :(
[20:10:17] <tequilaworm> but in it should not make any diff if the target system is QT or Android both of them use tslib in the same way
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[20:11:05] <hrw> should not
[20:11:11] <hrw> I think
[20:11:29] <loganville> does anyone here use CCSv3.3 to debug their beagle board?
[20:11:47] <tequilaworm> Code Composer ?
[20:11:55] <loganville> tequilaworm: yeah
[20:13:02] <loganville> I'm wondering how hard it is to use to program the flash memory on the board
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[20:14:44] <tequilaworm> Man I work for TI and believe me that is one of the WORST tools that I ever use try lauterbach insted
[20:15:06] <tequilaworm> if you can ;)
[20:16:13] <loganville> Well my current setup includes ccs and an emulator from spectrum digital
[20:16:42] <loganville> what do you dislike about ccs?
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[20:16:50] <mru> you don't need any special tools to program the flash
[20:17:02] <mru> u-boot will do it just fine
[20:17:04] <tequilaworm> mru: you r right
[20:17:20] <mru> to write a really large file you'd have to do it in chunks
[20:17:25] <tequilaworm> uboot will take care to setup the serial port
[20:17:52] <mru> u-boot can load files from mmc/sd cards
[20:18:07] <mru> and it can run scripts too if you need that
[20:18:12] <loganville> mru: that's what i'm doing now
[20:18:55] <loganville> i'm just looking into other possible ways to do it
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[20:20:00] <loganville> I'm currently just using an SD card and u-boot, but it would be nice to be able to program the flash without having to fiddle with an sd card
[20:20:30] <tequilaworm> CCS started as a small project and little by little TI started adding more and more fancy functions , since the core the CCS architecture was not designed to have all this fetures the performance and instability are allays present
[20:21:25] <mru> sounds like anything made by a company where money is more important than anything else
[20:21:29] <mru> i.e. most of them
[20:21:34] <loganville> tequilaworm: that makes sense, although it looked like v4 might fix some of that since it seems to largely just be a plugin for eclipse, unless I've misunderstood something
[20:21:47] <mru> eclipse, yuck
[20:22:00] <tequilaworm> eclipse = fancy and slow
[20:23:32] <loganville> what do you use?
[20:23:51] <loganville> I like eclipse
[20:24:11] <tequilaworm> longaville: eclipse is not a good tool for the kernel
[20:24:55] <tequilaworm> try use cscope, ctag, Kscope, vi.
[20:25:09] <loganville> I haven't done much embedded development until recently
[20:25:30] <tequilaworm> They are lite tools and they do what they supposed to do nothing more nothing else
[20:26:05] <loganville> I use vim regularly, but I still like having the gui eclipse provides
[20:27:49] <tequilaworm> If you consider that the kernel sintax is not standar Ansi C you can not use eclipse, that is way ctags and cscope are perfect for the kernel
[20:29:48] <tequilaworm> take a look at this for further info about cscope and why is a good option for big projects like linux kernel http://cscope.sourceforge.net/large_projects.html
[20:30:14] <loganville> will do, thanks
[20:31:21] <loganville> i've only been programming for a few years now, so my knowledge is very limited
[20:31:40] <tequilaworm> practice is the key
[20:32:05] <tequilaworm> you can practice every day and in 2 years been a PRO
[20:32:07] <loganville> agreed, I've learned more from side projects and such then from sitting in class
[20:32:52] <tequilaworm> class will give you the bases and the projects the experience and tricks
[20:33:23] <loganville> if you don't mind me asking, how long have you been programming?
[20:33:31] <tequilaworm> 12 years
[20:33:34] <loganville> and how did you get involved in computers?
[20:34:02] <tequilaworm> Curiosity
[20:34:42] <tequilaworm> Since this is the main reason to become an Engineer
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[20:37:48] <tequilaworm> made the force be with you young loganville
[20:37:59] <tequilaworm> bye now guys
[20:38:02] <loganville> thank you :)
[20:38:05] <loganville> i've off too
[20:38:09] <loganville> i'm*
[20:38:13] <hrw> cu tequilaworm loganville
[20:38:26] * hrw did not wrote application in last years...
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[20:38:43] <mroberts> are there any links to some documentation to get a touchscreen working on the BB/OMAP?
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[22:26:21] <koen> Crofton|work: I wasn't measuring young women, I was at a tradeshow for police/firepeople/emt/army stuff
[22:26:48] <koen> no booth babes, though
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[22:33:57] <ds2> no booth babes?!? is this a EU thing to forbid booth babes?
[22:34:16] <maelcum> as a matter of fact, no
[22:35:15] <maelcum> it would be hard (or impossible) to define a booth babe anyway, without discriminating againt women in general
[22:35:38] <ds2> it is the EU... impossible isn't a valid word for them :P
[22:35:50] <maelcum> "hot women only allowed with technical degrees" :P
[22:36:25] <ds2> all booth members must have short hair and be in a suit and tie would probally suffice
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[22:38:23] <maelcum> that would discriminate against real technical staff
[22:39:14] <ds2> when has technical ability been a concern of the EU? :D
[22:39:48] <viridis> looking for a 2.6.30-omap1 kernel, anyone have a link (didn't notice one on elinux)
[22:40:07] * koen would think boothbabes at the oilpipe fire demo would have been a bad idea
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[22:40:25] <koen> or at the police dog demo
[22:40:47] <ds2> it depends....
[22:41:33] * maelcum calls the internet censorship office
[22:42:23] <koen> actually, the stand next to us had a booth babe
[22:42:29] <koen> pretty hot babe
[22:42:35] <koen> too bad it was the krav maga stand
[22:42:47] <ds2> koen: were you working the show or just attending?
[22:43:01] <koen> my firm was there
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[22:43:55] <ds2> firm?
[22:44:22] <koen> ds2: http://www.bsst.de/v08/en/index.html
[22:45:03] <ds2> nice fun stuff
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[22:45:25] <ds2> so an afternoon at the range along with the ammo would be a businses expense?
[22:47:06] <koen> heh, no
[22:47:21] <koen> we do have our our range to test armour, but that's at the HQ
[22:47:32] <koen> 600 km away
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[23:01:41] <ds2> oh
[23:03:23] <maelcum> former gdr, right?
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[23:09:11] <koen> gdr?
[23:09:26] <koen> ah, the english version of ddr
[23:10:43] <maelcum> right
[23:13:33] <koen> I have never payed attention in which part ulm/nellingen is
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[23:23:19] <ZenCow> hello
[23:26:40] <ZenCow> does the audio validation work properly for audio recording on a RevC2 BB? On the validation image I setup a month ago, it plays back pre-recorded samples ok, but I remember it dropped a lot during recording (and that recording didn't play back cleanly... correct pitch, but lots of the audio missing
[23:28:20] <ZenCow> Of the things I tested, that was the only thing in validation that didn't seem correct
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