• [00:00:07] <oerknal> the hardware drivers of the motor's that is
  • [00:00:12] <oerknal> they need a clean signal
  • [00:00:14] <ZenCow> not all usb->parallel are created equal. I think some do support 2-way communication standards, but not all.
  • [00:00:37] * djlewis has to take a feed the canines and myself break.
  • [00:00:38] <oerknal> i have some serious 5.6Amp microstepping controllers :P i want cleaaaan pulse
  • [00:00:56] <oerknal> oh, @ 50V
  • [00:01:21] <djlewis> there are all kinds of usb widget controllers available.
  • [00:01:33] <maelcum> some hardware requires tight timing control and direct setting of output lines. try not to buy hardware without testing or having the possibility of a refund :)
  • [00:01:33] <djlewis> but not to parrallel
  • [00:01:44] <oerknal> yes, but will every widget work?
  • [00:01:47] <oerknal> look: http://www.usbcnc.com/downloads/info_cpu4_board.pdf
  • [00:01:59] <oerknal> that's the manual of the hardware i could get
  • [00:02:38] <oerknal> it has a licence for all kinds of software, but i' m not sure how to get that working on a beagleboard without herrasing the producers of that hardware :P
  • [00:03:27] <maelcum> it should be a software problem. no reason why the hardware wouldn't work if drivers exist.
  • [00:03:55] <oerknal> ok then :D well i think it's possible too, but how, thats the question :P
  • [00:04:47] <oerknal> i cant wait to build this thing :D
  • [00:04:50] <maelcum> check the docs. if there is a linux driver and software you can probably expect them to work together...
  • [00:05:17] <ZenCow> you need to know the protocol they're using over USB. it would be nice if they simply provided a serial interface over the USB (eg: FTDI)
  • [00:05:18] <oerknal> yes, i was checking, but cant find any evidence of them existing :(
  • [00:05:42] <oerknal> well, it's an opensource project, like beagleboard but just a smaller scale
  • [00:05:51] <oerknal> it's not even produced by a company
  • [00:06:06] <oerknal> yes, philips, its a project of a worker there
  • [00:06:21] <oerknal> he builds machines just like me
  • [00:07:10] <oerknal> he could probably fix anyting on the driver part, hopfully for free :D
  • [00:08:00] <oerknal> does anyone have cool things that have been done with a BB?
  • [00:08:47] <ZenCow> hope to get there someday
  • [00:09:40] <ZenCow> I have a few projects in mind for the BB... wearable, media player (video), robotics controller
  • [00:10:09] <ZenCow> maybe even a "car computer"
  • [00:10:23] <ZenCow> that's just a wearable that the car wears, instead of me
  • [00:10:45] <ZenCow> and just a variation of the media player
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  • [00:13:02] <oerknal> yes, i' ve been thinking of hooking it up in my car too
  • [00:13:09] <oerknal> but i only ordered 1 to start
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  • [00:16:40] <ZenCow> same here. it has been suggested to me that the BB is more suited towards development, and that the gumstix (same omap) would be a good platform for the actual embedded devices.
  • [00:17:24] <ZenCow> the hi-end Gumstix Overo has wifi and bluetooth on-board
  • [00:18:09] <oerknal> yes, i' ve looked at those too
  • [00:18:33] <oerknal> but! the cam software available needs some 3d support
  • [00:18:40] <oerknal> power i mean
  • [00:19:01] <ZenCow> I meant to step away to get food, so I'll finally do that (get absorbed in this stuff so easily) ;)
  • [00:19:04] <oerknal> i need to be able to run diagnostics too at the same time (multitasking)
  • [00:19:06] <djlewis> oerknal: another hardware place I have used.. http://www.jrkerr.com/
  • [00:19:32] <djlewis> He does CNC
  • [00:20:06] <djlewis> probably serial though, but easy to use interfaces.
  • [00:20:21] <djlewis> my Hungary Man dinnner is in the oven
  • [00:20:54] <oerknal> indeed, and more onto servo motors
  • [00:21:01] <djlewis> time to try Kubuntu 9.04 DVD.
  • [00:21:02] <oerknal> i use 1.8* stepper
  • [00:21:12] <djlewis> common step.\
  • [00:21:44] <oerknal> yes, but i have microstep controllers wich could take em to 25k steps a turn
  • [00:22:36] <djlewis> I used DC motors for my design.
  • [00:22:59] <djlewis> I just ordered his IC's and built from that.
  • [00:23:06] <oerknal> i could do that too, is better actually, but it's more expencive :D
  • [00:23:41] <djlewis> If you just want cheap IC's to drive steppers the KAE brand at Jameco comes to mind.
  • [00:23:47] <oerknal> the machines i sell need to be opensource so i don't have to do any legal paperwork on it
  • [00:23:58] <oerknal> ofcourse taxes, but no pattents and stuff
  • [00:24:09] <djlewis> I dont see that as a prob with JR Kerr.
  • [00:24:43] <oerknal> i' ve been screwed many times, cant be to precoutious
  • [00:24:54] <djlewis> cant help you there.
  • [00:25:20] <oerknal> but the only thing that needs to be fixed is the usb driver from what i can see now
  • [00:25:33] <oerknal> so that will be my quest for the next... while :D
  • [00:26:05] <djlewis> usb to serial is real easy.
  • [00:27:01] <djlewis> the Kubuntu 9.04 start up is real purty.
  • [00:27:30] <oerknal> purty?
  • [00:27:54] <djlewis> yup.
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  • [00:32:31] <djlewis> now using Kubuntu remote desktop off DVD
  • [00:32:58] <djlewis> Oh, to Beagle of course where this Pigden app is running this IRC chat.
  • [00:35:35] <djlewis> sorry, Pidgin, no offense to anyone that might care.
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  • [01:56:25] <ZenCow> wow, things got quiet here when I left for food :)
  • [01:56:41] <djlewis> yup, its all your fault.
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  • [01:58:47] <Downix> we have been waiting in eager anticipation for your return
  • [01:59:02] <ZenCow> thanks kindly
  • [02:01:26] <ZenCow> ok... fixed a few settings... let's see if the beagle survives a reboot
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  • [02:04:15] <ZenCow> plain reboot survived. now to see if it survives a hard power outage.
  • [02:05:00] <ZenCow> was getting some odd results in my uboot environment before. think it might be fixed now.
  • [02:06:56] <ZenCow> sweet it worked. and I really don't know why, but mostly because I don't know why it was failing before.
  • [02:08:12] <ZenCow> seemed like I was getting some corruption in my environment (badly set bootargs), and I couldn't fix them for dozens of attempts, but it seems to have worked today.
  • [02:08:46] <ZenCow> but my Windows desktop can't seem to locate the Gadget driver... gah
  • [02:13:39] <ZenCow> thought I finally had that fixed.
  • [02:14:09] <ZenCow> just happy that it boots cleanly now on power-up
  • [02:20:40] <djlewis> and we are happy for you.
  • [02:21:06] <djlewis> I finally got through the installables list.
  • [02:21:31] <ZenCow> find anything good/interesting?
  • [02:22:45] <djlewis> I see a lot of driver updates from 1.6.28 to 2.6.29 that I hope are really updates.
  • [02:23:03] <djlewis> excuse, 1.6 = 2.6
  • [02:23:47] <djlewis> I think I'll rebuild my spare SD with sakomans version
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  • [02:24:40] <djlewis> meanwhile, I am not so impressed with the change of Kubuntu 8.04 to 9.04.
  • [02:24:55] <djlewis> Not much change at all on the surface of things.
  • [02:25:12] <ZenCow> wonder if uboot supports doing things along the lines of grub, where you can select various boot options/kernels
  • [02:25:36] <djlewis> Perhaps it is far better underneath. (kubuntu)
  • [02:26:11] <ZenCow> do they follow the 6-month release cycle?
  • [02:26:14] <djlewis> I was wondering that too. seems like one could. I wanted to part my 4GB to two or more kernals and filesystems.
  • [02:26:36] <djlewis> cycles? I think so.
  • [02:26:55] <ZenCow> so I suspect not a huge difference every 6 months
  • [02:27:18] <djlewis> btw: I am using synergy and two monitors mostly.
  • [02:27:31] <ZenCow> from your BB?
  • [02:27:49] <djlewis> Right, synergys on workstation and synergyc on BB
  • [02:28:26] <djlewis> easily use main kybd and mouse this way.
  • [02:29:14] <ZenCow> oh, that's neat. I was not familiar with that program. just read the description
  • [02:29:57] <djlewis> really excellent hint I took from http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard/James#James_Filesystem
  • [02:31:10] <ZenCow> I might have seen mention of it there some weeks ago. I think I intended to look into this. I'm familiar with VNC.
  • [02:31:31] <Downix> I still can't get vnc to do what I want
  • [02:31:39] <djlewis> works faster than vnc or remote terminal RDP.
  • [02:31:40] <ZenCow> but this sounds like it works a bit different than VNC... that you still use each computer's screen, but the mouse/kb move around
  • [02:31:50] <ZenCow> afk bio
  • [02:32:19] <djlewis> I placed BB screen right of Main screen and where the mouse is is where you work.
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  • [02:38:58] <jeffwheeler> I'm trying to connect my Beagle Board for the first time, but I'm having some trouble . . .
  • [02:39:11] <djlewis> Oh?
  • [02:39:33] <jeffwheeler> I've got my USB cable from my computer into the USB OTG port (I think --- the smaller one), and the 10-pin cable going into the serial port on my machine.
  • [02:39:53] <djlewis> good so far.
  • [02:39:55] <jeffwheeler> I'm on Linux, and I'm not sure what device to connect to.
  • [02:40:13] <djlewis> a physical serial port or usd adapter?
  • [02:40:16] <jeffwheeler> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardBeginners suggests /dev/ttyS1, but screen complains that this isn't a tty.
  • [02:40:18] <djlewis> usb
  • [02:40:29] <jeffwheeler> I have a physical serial port.
  • [02:41:07] <djlewis> by default they should be either /dev/ttyS0 pr /dev/ttyS1
  • [02:41:07] <jeffwheeler> It's going from the 10-pin female, into a 9-pin serial male, to 9-pin female to female, then to a 9-pin male to female extension cord.
  • [02:41:38] <jeffwheeler> /dev/ttyS0 gets no complaints, but also seems to do nothing in screen; I'll try going through minicom to see if that does differently.
  • [02:41:54] <djlewis> the connection you ultimately want is pin 2 of beagle to pin 3 of serial, bb pin 3 to serial pin 2, 5 to 5
  • [02:42:05] <jeffwheeler> Wait, what?
  • [02:42:43] <djlewis> the ten pin headears pin 2 should connect to the computers serial pin 3
  • [02:43:05] <djlewis> the headers pin 3 should go to computers pin 2 and pin 5 to pin 5.
  • [02:43:27] <djlewis> if you have a ohm meter you can test your cable end to end.
  • [02:43:47] <jeffwheeler> Not a function one . . . ;)
  • [02:43:51] <jeffwheeler> err, functioning
  • [02:43:54] <djlewis> If your cable is any other way you wont get proper results.
  • [02:44:52] <djlewis> This is why the docs sat use the proper straight through header to db9 female jack and a null modem serial cable from there to your computer.
  • [02:45:27] <djlewis> does this make sense? it is where most folk go wrong.
  • [02:45:39] <jeffwheeler> Hmm, a little; I'm not sure how to evaluate whether I have it right or not
  • [02:45:53] <jeffwheeler> (given the fact that I don't have a working ohm meter)
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  • [02:46:33] <djlewis> the serial cable / port is just a management console port but very essential.
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  • [02:46:48] <djlewis> I can't advise on using the OTG port as I have not.
  • [02:47:24] <jeffwheeler> I've already made two trips to buy cables today, and it seems like I may have screwed up again . . . :P
  • [02:47:52] <djlewis> a null modem cable only needs pins 2,3 and 5.
  • [02:48:35] <jeffwheeler> Should I be able to at least initially connect using just OTG?
  • [02:48:42] <jeffwheeler> At least through the initial bootloader?
  • [02:49:22] <djlewis> 2 on end-A is 3 on end-B and 3 on end-A is 2 on end-B and 5 goes to 5.
  • [02:49:57] <djlewis> if it is booting and you have svideo and or a LCD monitor attached you should see images.
  • [02:50:18] <djlewis> A puppy on the LCD and bars I am told on the Svideo.
  • [02:50:31] <ZenCow> do you have any other serial devices that you can connect to in order to verify that your serial cable looks correct?
  • [02:50:40] <jeffwheeler> And if that doesn't happen, I've messed up the U-Boot? What's necessary to fix that?
  • [02:51:02] <jeffwheeler> ZenCow: Hmm, I guess I can look around; I don't think I've used any serial devices in years :P
  • [02:51:16] <djlewis> redo the cards uimage and u-boot?
  • [02:51:25] <jeffwheeler> Hm?
  • [02:51:50] <djlewis> What happens without a SD ZenCow?
  • [02:52:11] <djlewis> I am on mine or I would test it.
  • [02:52:41] <jeffwheeler> Oh, this looks like it could be useful: http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleboardRevCValidation
  • [02:52:48] <ZenCow> the serial console still shows some power-on information and if the on-board flash has images (they do by default), it will load those and get you to a console prompt
  • [02:52:50] <jeffwheeler> I'll try stepping through that
  • [02:53:01] <ZenCow> definitely go thru the validation
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  • [02:54:33] <ZenCow> if you have more than one serial port on your computer, you can loop them and see if data goes between the 2 :)
  • [02:54:46] <djlewis> good idea
  • [02:55:39] <ZenCow> the "null modem" cable is designed to cross the signal from transmit/receive lines between the 2 ends.
  • [02:56:00] <ZenCow> that'll work between any normal serial port, whether on the same machine or different
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  • [03:11:11] * djlewis says hi.
  • [03:11:55] <djlewis> I just verified that with a good u-boot I do get the beagle image on my LCD with no SD card.
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  • [03:30:24] * djlewis asks is there a trick to getting sakomans build to boot?
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  • [03:30:54] <mib_p3kzzw> beagleboard as a htpc?
  • [03:31:01] <mib_p3kzzw> any links?
  • [03:31:41] <ZenCow> still a work-in-progress, but there's this: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard/James
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  • [03:35:24] <Downix> looks good
  • [03:35:38] <Downix> I am still looking more as netbook or pda
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  • [03:50:11] <ZenCow> well, I'm off for the night... happy omap'ing all
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  • [04:21:08] <sakoman__> djlewis: what problems are you having?
  • [04:35:21] <djlewis> Hi sakoman
  • [04:35:53] <djlewis> sakoman_: still here?
  • [04:36:15] <djlewis> I was off digging for a solution.
  • [04:37:28] <djlewis> I dnloaded your next to last images, reformated the msdos and linux partitons of my SD
  • [04:38:08] <djlewis> and it boots to a point telling me it can not read the uImage, bad format. It is using your u-boot.
  • [04:39:47] <djlewis> i see my bootcmd is mmcinit rather than mmc init. I am only using MLO, u-boot.bin and uImage.bin in dos part.
  • [04:40:34] <Animule> raaahhhh http://wildcat.homeunix.net/20090502/DSC00360.jpg
  • [04:41:15] <Animule> http://wildcat.homeunix.net/20090502/DSC00335.jpg
  • [04:44:54] <sakoman__> djlewis: sorry stepped away for a few minutes
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  • [04:45:22] <djlewis> sakoman__: any thoughts on my delima?
  • [04:45:40] <sakoman__> are you booting from mmc?
  • [04:45:46] <djlewis> yes
  • [04:46:07] <sakoman__> do you have mlo on mmc too?
  • [04:46:12] <djlewis> yes
  • [04:46:31] <sakoman__> ah, file name should be uImage
  • [04:46:39] <djlewis> just the three are on mmc. I can tell it is using yours by the version.
  • [04:46:54] <djlewis> do rename it from .bin to just uImage?
  • [04:47:09] <sakoman__> yes
  • [04:47:18] <djlewis> i'll try this.
  • [04:47:28] <sakoman__> make sure to wipe your u-boot env so that you will be using the default env
  • [04:47:39] <sakoman__> nand erase 260000 20000
  • [04:47:47] <djlewis> thats scarey
  • [04:48:06] <djlewis> will my default angstrom still boot after?
  • [04:48:08] <sakoman__> otherwise you will have remnants of old u-boot environment
  • [04:48:24] <sakoman__> it should
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  • [04:48:59] <sakoman__> hi khasim!
  • [04:49:33] <sakoman__> djlewis: you could try with your old environment, but it may give strange results
  • [04:50:17] <khasim> sakoman__: hi
  • [04:50:33] <djlewis> I'm about to try it.
  • [04:51:30] <sakoman__> djlewis: the issue is that DSS2 and u-boot changes over time make previous environment settings obsolete
  • [04:51:50] <sakoman__> things like mmcint vs mmc init
  • [04:52:02] <djlewis> I see the mmcinit vs mmc init difference
  • [04:52:04] <sakoman__> and changes in the names of DSS2 boot args
  • [04:52:27] <sakoman__> wiping the old environment causes u-boot to use the default settings
  • [04:52:34] <djlewis> i'm looking for them, I have a text copy of my printenv.
  • [04:52:54] <sakoman__> I keep my u-boot default environment in sync with the kernel
  • [04:53:22] <djlewis> my original env has no DSS2
  • [04:53:28] <sakoman__> so I usually just run with a blank env
  • [04:53:48] <sakoman__> well, my kernel uses DSS2
  • [04:54:01] <djlewis> have blue txt on LCD now configuring gnome-vfs
  • [04:54:19] <djlewis> dies this mean I need to add a DSS@ env var?
  • [04:54:26] <djlewis> DSS@
  • [04:54:28] <djlewis> DSS2
  • [04:54:40] <djlewis> get my tired fingers off the shift key
  • [04:54:59] <sakoman__> as I said, the simplest way of getting the proper setting is to erase the env so that u-boot uses defaults
  • [04:55:29] <sakoman__> otherwise you will be doing a lot of typing that is prone to errors
  • [04:55:34] <djlewis> I suppose I can allways retrace my steps through the ang setup if I need to go back.
  • [04:55:56] <sakoman__> yes
  • [04:56:45] <djlewis> as I have no DSS@ in my environment now will it setup, what is DSS2
  • [04:56:46] <sakoman__> but it will likely work just fine for Angstrom since it also uses DSS2
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  • [04:57:38] <djlewis> My woring Angstrom is the one on the same site of March 2.6.28-R17
  • [04:57:40] <sakoman__> you won't see "dss2" in any of the settings, it is the frame buffer resolution setup stuff
  • [04:57:57] <sakoman__> Ah, that is quite old
  • [04:58:12] <djlewis> it is the last so called ready version.
  • [04:58:14] <sakoman__> So the DSS2 setting names have likely changed a bit since then
  • [04:58:22] <djlewis> hmmm.
  • [04:58:59] <sakoman__> If you are nervous about changing u-boot env, you should just stick with what works for you
  • [04:59:14] <djlewis> it is still configuing boot, will my environment confuse the setup?
  • [04:59:52] <djlewis> my current: bootcmd=mmcinit; fatload mmc 0 0x80200000 uImage; bootm 0x80200000
  • [05:00:01] <sakoman__> you might get 640 x 480 resolution on your DVI
  • [05:00:21] <djlewis> ugh< i am used to 1280x1024x24
  • [05:00:39] <djlewis> no, 16bit
  • [05:00:54] <sakoman__> that would be the default if you cleared the env
  • [05:01:06] <djlewis> bootargs=console=ttyS2,115200n8 console=tty0 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rw rootfstype=ext3 rootwait omapfb.video_mode=1280x1024MR-16@60 --- works for me in my angstrom ver.
  • [05:01:14] <djlewis> oh.
  • [05:01:40] <djlewis> looks like the default without clearing. I have a BIG language screen.
  • [05:02:04] <sakoman__> you might have gotten lucky
  • [05:02:06] <djlewis> Select one what?
  • [05:02:13] <djlewis> Four choices.
  • [05:02:24] <djlewis> no, six
  • [05:02:56] <sakoman__> Click on a language, then click on next
  • [05:03:02] <djlewis> I want to test webcam , speech, speech recog and openCV
  • [05:03:17] <djlewis> Ang, Ill, Min, Netb, etc
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  • [05:03:46] <sakoman__> I usually use Angstrom or Standard
  • [05:04:06] <djlewis> So this screen is for the intended use profile, cool.
  • [05:04:15] <djlewis> Angstrom would be FULL use?
  • [05:04:30] <sakoman__> Yeah, that would be a good choice
  • [05:05:10] <djlewis> I dont know Ggz from Sys default either. Where is the readme?
  • [05:05:11] <sakoman__> Then pick standard menu
  • [05:05:19] <djlewis> :)
  • [05:05:25] <sakoman__> Use system default
  • [05:06:21] <djlewis> uh this goes on and on with app choices, huh :)
  • [05:06:21] <sakoman__> Then select the apps you want to have on the "iBar" for quick launch
  • [05:06:37] <sakoman__> you can always add more later
  • [05:06:44] <djlewis> Yep, I was trying to figure how to add to the bar in Angstrom.
  • [05:06:46] <sakoman__> I put a lot of stuff in the image
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  • [05:10:52] <djlewis> i'm almost thru selection...
  • [05:11:48] <sakoman__> Wow, you must be putting alot of thought into what you pick!
  • [05:12:25] <djlewis> some I dont know what it is, a little googling too. I want utils and audio, video mostly.
  • [05:13:25] <sakoman__> everything is available on the Applications menu, so it doesn't really matter what you pick now :-)
  • [05:13:43] <sakoman__> Those are just the things that will be on the bottom app bar
  • [05:14:17] <djlewis> I stuck with it cause like I said, I could'nt figure how to add to Angstrom bar before.
  • [05:14:29] <djlewis> no US central timezone?
  • [05:15:32] <djlewis> error loading module connman, just to let you know. I dont need it.
  • [05:15:51] <djlewis> I gotta get my hi res back though.
  • [05:16:13] <sakoman__> um, that would be America/Chicago :-)
  • [05:16:37] <sakoman__> yeah, connman integration is broken at the moment
  • [05:16:42] <djlewis> only choice was Europe and london with three under London.
  • [05:16:51] <djlewis> I didnt expand Europe.
  • [05:17:35] <sakoman__> You should have clicked on that and it would have given you the other areas of the world
  • [05:17:58] <djlewis> hmmm. I didn't assume America was in a Europe lis.
  • [05:18:19] <sakoman__> It is a "continent" list
  • [05:18:32] <djlewis> makes sense.
  • [05:19:00] <sakoman__> you can always run Date/TImes setting again later
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  • [05:20:03] <djlewis> Yes, and this config looks more like a tablet setup than a desktop. You did away with the pop up menus?
  • [05:20:51] <sakoman__> No, just click on the desktop
  • [05:21:07] <djlewis> cool.
  • [05:21:44] <djlewis> ifconfig and iwconfig look good, still working on connecting.
  • [05:22:31] <djlewis> if you havent heard my ranting up to now, I got BB for a robot brain intention.
  • [05:22:59] <sakoman__> ah, then you don't really need a gui :-)
  • [05:23:02] <djlewis> If it works out I will be remoting into it most of the time soI wont even need a gui.
  • [05:23:36] <djlewis> right. But till then I need gui for faster/easier testing.
  • [05:24:15] <djlewis> I hope to bare it down to console only and strip the fat like maybe your console version.
  • [05:24:47] <sakoman__> yeah, you could get even smaller if you wanted to
  • [05:25:10] <sakoman__> but nand is pretty big, so you don't have to really sweat it too much :-)
  • [05:26:12] <djlewis> So it didnt read my video DVI setting from my environment. How does this new version get video res setting?
  • [05:27:02] <sakoman__> I know I sound like a broken record, but if you wipe your old u-boot environment it will set things up with a default that works :-)
  • [05:28:07] <djlewis> I thank you for being so patient wit me. So ESID is working to determine native monitor resolution?
  • [05:28:19] <sakoman__> no, sadly not
  • [05:28:37] <sakoman__> here, I will pastebin the default environment it will set up
  • [05:29:29] <sakoman__> http://pastebin.com/m203bca4e
  • [05:29:43] <djlewis> I was poking around in my memory looking at the ESID settings but couldn't tell that it had read any before.
  • [05:30:09] <djlewis> Only the model and s little HEX that didn't look like what I expected for ESID.
  • [05:30:41] <sakoman__> I've got a slightly newer u-boot version, so yours won't include the ethernet setup stuff
  • [05:30:59] <djlewis> well then the var dvimode can be modified?
  • [05:31:23] <sakoman__> yes, I did that to make it simple to change resoltions without a lot of typing
  • [05:31:59] <djlewis> cool touch.
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  • [05:32:32] <sakoman__> the easiest way to get all that is to just "nand erase 260000 20000" and then reboot
  • [05:33:06] <djlewis> ok, going for it.
  • [05:33:10] <sakoman__> you'll then see a message that it is using the default environment
  • [05:33:44] <sakoman__> if that message bugs you, you can break into u-boot and type saveenv
  • [05:34:10] <sakoman__> typically I just leave the env empty so that I am always using the u-boot default
  • [05:34:22] <djlewis> I did nand erase above and printenv still shows setup.
  • [05:34:32] <djlewis> so I save?
  • [05:34:43] <sakoman__> did you reboot after the erase?
  • [05:34:49] <djlewis> not yet.
  • [05:35:03] <sakoman__> then the old environment is still in use
  • [05:35:11] <sakoman__> it gets read at boot
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  • [05:35:39] <djlewis> yes it looks different now but stil lots
  • [05:36:31] <djlewis> it is using u-boot 2009.03 April something.
  • [05:37:00] <sakoman__> sounds right
  • [05:37:15] <djlewis> I dont have a usb kybd so things are done on console for now.
  • [05:37:39] <djlewis> ERROR: Module omaplfb does not exist in /proc/modules
  • [05:37:39] <djlewis> ERROR: Module pvrsrvkm does not exist in /proc/modules
  • [05:37:50] <sakoman__> normal
  • [05:37:53] <djlewis> ok
  • [05:38:05] <sakoman__> how did you do the app selection? you have a mouse?
  • [05:38:44] <djlewis> it defaulted to 1024x768
  • [05:38:54] <djlewis> yes usb mouse
  • [05:38:59] <sakoman__> ah, ok
  • [05:39:11] <djlewis> i kinda now wish I hadnt selected all I did.
  • [05:39:25] <djlewis> I was setup using synergy before.
  • [05:40:07] <sakoman__> Easy to remove things from the iBar
  • [05:40:37] <djlewis> must be a firewall going on now.
  • [05:44:49] <djlewis> I do thank you for your patience and time helping me along. I will muddle about and try to sort
  • [05:44:56] <djlewis> some things out.
  • [05:45:11] <sakoman__> what issues are you running into?
  • [05:46:05] <djlewis> looks like I need to edit my networking to setup something.
  • [05:46:23] <djlewis> I get IP and iwconfig is right but no getting outside beagle.
  • [05:46:29] <sakoman__> what type of network interface are you using?
  • [05:46:41] <djlewis> wifi that has been fine.
  • [05:47:09] <djlewis> I am associated and have link ans speed
  • [05:47:28] <sakoman__> device is wlan0?
  • [05:47:37] <djlewis> yes
  • [05:47:57] <sakoman__> try commenting out auto wlan0 in /etc/network/interfaces
  • [05:48:08] <djlewis> can ping self but no other.
  • [05:49:23] <djlewis> I am hoping your driver modules are latest across the board.
  • [05:49:39] <sakoman__> they are all 2.6.29 final
  • [05:50:18] <djlewis> cool, I have been wanting to test for my hardware. I know what to expect from 2.6.28 March
  • [05:50:37] <sakoman__> in a few days the images will be 2.6.30
  • [05:50:46] <sakoman__> still ironing out a few kinks
  • [05:50:58] <djlewis> just for grins I launched opkg update and it apears to be running. no download errors
  • [05:51:12] <djlewis> oops spoke too soon.
  • [05:51:16] <djlewis> I'll edit now.
  • [05:51:20] <sakoman__> ah, so networking is working now?
  • [05:51:50] <djlewis> it is already commented out.
  • [05:52:25] <sakoman__> does the output of route look reasonable?
  • [05:52:49] <djlewis> hang on, my console was confused ;)
  • [05:54:21] <djlewis> console screws up lines when trying to vi the file.
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  • [05:55:48] <djlewis> I really need that usb kybd I forgot to borrow for the weekend.
  • [05:56:20] <djlewis> my term messes the lines and I cant tell where my change is going.
  • [05:56:26] <sakoman__> once you have networking running you can use Remote Desktop Viewer
  • [05:56:46] <sakoman__> it is turned on by default
  • [05:57:14] <djlewis> yes, I found that with 2.6.28 as well.
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  • [06:00:26] <sakoman__> I use Gnome Terminal and it seems to work fine with vi
  • [06:01:53] <sakoman__> djlewis: I'm heading off to get some sleep now. Good luck!
  • [06:02:12] <djlewis> I should do same. thanks again.
  • [06:02:35] <sakoman__> no problem! I'll be around tomorrow
  • [06:05:06] <djlewis> goodnight..
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  • [07:25:14] <keesj> konsole !
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  • [08:11:59] <mib_ho2827> i am using 2.6.29-rc6, i get the i2c-1 timeout whenever i reboot
  • [08:12:29] <mib_ho2827> the problem does not occur when i poweron (switch off power and re-power again)
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  • [08:31:40] <ssvb> hi, how can I get angstrom patches for 2.6.28 kernel?
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  • [08:33:10] <adj> build the kernel using OE, you will get already patched sources
  • [08:33:17] <ssvb> here are only binaries: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/
  • [08:34:47] <adj> ssvb: click developers tab at http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/
  • [08:34:58] <ssvb> ok, so no sources unless you want to build it using OE framework?
  • [08:35:42] <ssvb> adj: been there
  • [08:38:02] <ssvb> adj: GettingStarted wiki page link does not work, is it expected?
  • [08:39:50] <adj> ssvb: does not work for me either, but i've been using this: http://www.hervanta.com/gallery/eftp0509/IMG_1904
  • [08:40:06] <adj> damn, sorry, wrong url
  • [08:40:13] <adj> i meant this: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardAndOpenEmbeddedGit
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  • [09:27:29] <s0likka> adj you from finland also :)?
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  • [10:03:46] <adj> s0likka: yep :)
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  • [12:46:44] <jepler> on a self-built kernel, I'm seeing 0V on HOST_VBUS, the power pin on the USB "A" connector. This worked with an older kernel, probably http://www.rcn-ee.com/deb/kernel/CC-v2.6.28-79d042a-oer17 . Any hints how I might have configured the kernel wrong?
  • [12:47:52] <jepler> ehci-omap ehci-omap.0: OMAP-EHCI Host Controller
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  • [12:59:06] <jepler> Clock usbhost_48m_fck didn't enable in 100000 tries
  • [12:59:10] <jepler> hm, maybe this is relevant
  • [13:01:36] <jepler> but you'd think it was separate from whether usb vcc was enabled
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  • [13:25:46] <ssvb> adj: thanks a lot for the hints, now I have a nice kernel with all the features that I want and which is not falling apart :)
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  • [16:25:17] <eFfeM> bye
  • [16:25:33] <eFfeM> guess he only dropped by to say hello :p
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  • [16:34:35] <Crofton> heh
  • [16:35:18] <eFfeM> some people have no patience
  • [16:36:04] <eFfeM> actually on another channel someone just said "help" so I threw him a rescue buoy, didn't know what else to do
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  • [16:58:08] <djlewis> ping sakoman_
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  • [17:52:42] <djlewis> good morning emeb_mac
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  • [17:54:51] <TheDoktor> Hello
  • [17:56:56] <djlewis> hi
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  • [18:03:09] <emeb_mac> djlewis: hi!
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  • [18:04:13] <TheDoktor> I just got my beagleboard a couple of weeks ago and I've been having fun with it!
  • [18:04:53] <emeb_mac> what do you do with it?
  • [18:05:07] <TheDoktor> I managed to build a working console image with bitbake but now I want to write apps for Angstrom.
  • [18:05:28] <djlewis> sounds like a plan
  • [18:05:44] <TheDoktor> I mainly want to try converting some games I've written to run on it
  • [18:06:05] <Crofton|work> btw, emeb_mac I can move data in and out of the fpga over spi@48MHz clock
  • [18:06:11] <TheDoktor> The games are written using SDL & GLES
  • [18:06:23] <emeb_mac> Crofton|work: sweet!
  • [18:07:09] <emeb_mac> any chance you could write a recipe for that?
  • [18:07:33] <Crofton|work> basically the patch to OE is on the list
  • [18:07:38] <Crofton|work> using spidev for testing
  • [18:07:43] <emeb_mac> I guess there's a lot of kernel & uboot hacking that goes into that.
  • [18:08:03] <emeb_mac> so much to catch up on...
  • [18:08:05] <Crofton|work> working on getting the fpga side in shape, then I will start a real driver
  • [18:08:13] <Crofton|work> emeb_mac, not for spidev testing
  • [18:08:40] <TheDoktor> I was planning on using Code::Blocks in Ubuntu for dev & I wondered if anyone else has done this and how they set it up?
  • [18:08:46] <emeb_mac> Need to learn what spidev _is_ for one.
  • [18:09:37] <emeb_mac> I'm used to embedded apps where I just grab the spi hardware & start spewing data. With kernel in the way there's more housekeeping.
  • [18:11:20] <Crofton|work> yeah
  • [18:11:38] <Crofton|work> TheDoktor, I have not heard of anyone doing that
  • [18:12:25] <Crofton|work> emeb_mac, yeah, I need to get a driver together to send/receive data from fpga for rx/tx convertors, and also adjust various settings
  • [18:14:06] <emeb_mac> I've got an FPGA design for a SPI port that's basically a collection of 128 32-bit registers with r/w access. Takes 5 byte SPI transaction to hit a register, so that's probably more overhead than you want.
  • [18:15:28] <emeb_mac> I'm already using it to monitor & control several different FPGA projects, but none of them involve streaming data like you'd expect with a GnuRadio front end.
  • [18:16:27] <TheDoktor> Crofton|work: When I figure it out I might write something for the wiki then.
  • [18:17:29] <emeb_mac> TheDoktor: The most I've done is install sakoman's Angstrom, opkg install the C dev tools & write hello.c
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  • [18:18:01] <emeb_mac> Works nicely though. Nice to program on the target rather than cross.
  • [18:19:00] <djlewis> I've done same as emeb_mac
  • [18:19:16] <djlewis> arrgh! no /dev/video0
  • [18:19:27] <emeb_mac> trying a webcam?
  • [18:19:33] <djlewis> Duh ;)
  • [18:19:49] <djlewis> you know I am a stuborn dude
  • [18:19:58] <koen> TheDoktor: using code:block is generally frowned upon
  • [18:19:59] <emeb_mac> I've plugged a few in but never had any luck yet.
  • [18:20:36] <djlewis> I at least got them started in Angstrom but today I am trying sakoman build of 2.6.29
  • [18:20:53] <djlewis> I never got a video stream though.
  • [18:21:22] <emeb_mac> I've even had trouble with these webcams in Fedora 9 though.
  • [18:21:29] <TheDoktor> koen: Is it? I'm quite new to Linux development and I'm sure someone recommended it . What would you recommend as an alternative?
  • [18:21:35] <emeb_mac> They work OK in Ubuntu 8.04
  • [18:21:53] <djlewis> emeb_mac: I never did reach my goal yesterday of simplu mounting a winderz share.
  • [18:22:09] <emeb_mac> Hmmm - haven't tried that.
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  • [18:22:22] <djlewis> Yep all three of mine are working in Ubuntu 8.xx
  • [18:22:59] <djlewis> I thought I'd give beagle a purpose in life and let it stream mp3 from my winderz server upstairs.
  • [18:23:16] <djlewis> NOT!
  • [18:23:54] <emeb_mac> why not?
  • [18:24:24] <djlewis> funny question... hmmm. how does a beagle newbie answer that one?
  • [18:24:34] <djlewis> cause I dont know ;)
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  • [18:24:46] <emeb_mac> iow, what did you try & what happened?
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  • [18:25:23] <djlewis> hmmm, I was trying lots. I hoped mount.cifs would do it. but not.
  • [18:26:39] <djlewis> works in linux
  • [18:27:26] <koen> TheDoktor: gnu make and an editor
  • [18:27:35] <djlewis> whatever I try, it hasn't liked finding a cifs file system
  • [18:28:06] * koen has replaced every single code:blocks aborting with a makefile so far
  • [18:28:13] <koen> s/ing/ion/
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  • [18:29:10] <emeb_mac> djlewis: I've had varying degrees of success with smb / cifs mounting.
  • [18:29:17] <emeb_mac> kinda depends on the distro.
  • [18:29:38] <sakoman__> djlewis: pong
  • [18:29:42] <emeb_mac> Fedora mounts OK but doesn't see the shares when browsing the network
  • [18:29:53] <TheDoktor> koen: is there a good editor that you can recommend that has projects and can parse the gnu warning & error output?
  • [18:30:03] <mru> emacs
  • [18:30:10] <emeb_mac> Ubuntu browses OK and mounts OK
  • [18:30:25] <emeb_mac> vi
  • [18:30:29] <emeb_mac> nedit
  • [18:30:32] <emeb_mac> scite
  • [18:30:37] <emeb_mac> gedit
  • [18:33:24] <djlewis> I like nano
  • [18:34:00] <keesj> good a parsing gcc error output?
  • [18:34:06] <djlewis> oh, not what you asked for.
  • [18:34:21] <TheDoktor> emeb_mac: thanks, I've have a look at those, I don't think vi is suitable for my purposes!
  • [18:35:02] <emeb_mac> Depends - are you a kbd or mouse guy? I missed your requirement for close interaction with gcc tho - sry
  • [18:35:22] <emeb_mac> I just go cmd line & read the error output.
  • [18:35:27] <emeb_mac> keeps things simple
  • [18:36:05] <djlewis> hi sakoman_
  • [18:36:51] <sakoman__> hi! just leaving again :-)
  • [18:36:59] <sakoman__> did you have a question?
  • [18:37:06] <djlewis> I was off baking pizza, whow what a spicy pizza
  • [18:37:13] <sakoman__> :-)
  • [18:37:23] <sakoman__> I'm heading off for lunch
  • [18:37:28] <djlewis> OK, i have lots to sort out. later
  • [18:37:36] <sakoman__> ok, later!
  • [18:38:23] <djlewis> I like the learning process untill it hurts.
  • [18:38:25] <TheDoktor> emeb_mac: I have a game I'm trying to get working on the Beagleboard. It's quite a large project with roughly 100 source files.
  • [18:38:55] <djlewis> emeb_mac: sounds like a lot of work in cmd line.
  • [18:39:23] <djlewis> But with a big screen and lots of consoles, who knows.
  • [18:39:27] <emeb_mac> It's how I was raised. :)
  • [18:40:08] <emeb_mac> Never had fancy IDEs when I was learning C in Unix environment - just gcc, make & editor
  • [18:40:34] <djlewis> I used to enjoy the old Borlandc DOS version
  • [18:40:48] <emeb_mac> Turbo C was nice.
  • [18:41:09] <emeb_mac> windowing with character graphics. very lo-tec
  • [18:41:12] <djlewis> yep, I wrote a vesa app with it that made it around the world.
  • [18:41:23] <djlewis> but efficient
  • [18:41:24] <TheDoktor> I have it set up in code:blocks atm. I'm used to working in an IDE as I'm a 360 programmer by trade.
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  • [18:44:36] <keesj> I used http://kscope.sourceforge.net/ before starting using vim/cscope
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  • [18:46:27] <djlewis> keesj: kscope is pretty cool.
  • [18:47:18] <TheDoktor> keesj: that looks very nice. Thanks for the link.
  • [18:50:17] <TheDoktor> I'm trying to get some of the libs together now. I'm been building them using bitbake & copying the .so & .a files out of their respective image directories in the oe tree.
  • [18:50:32] <emeb_mac> l8r
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  • [18:50:56] <TheDoktor> Don't know if that is the best way to go about it.
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  • [20:29:03] <djlewis> rot
  • [20:29:15] <ds2> keep down the moisture!
  • [20:29:15] <djlewis> oops wrong screen
  • [20:29:38] <djlewis> with al the rain we probable will rot.
  • [20:29:51] <ds2> where are you?
  • [20:30:00] <djlewis> near Little Rock
  • [20:30:23] <ds2> ah... we are officially in a drought out here
  • [20:30:41] <djlewis> your in californification?
  • [20:30:57] <ds2> yes :(
  • [20:31:29] <djlewis> My young sister is out that way near Fresno
  • [20:33:33] <djlewis> I try not to hold it against her :)
  • [20:35:22] <ds2> heheh
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  • [20:37:54] <djlewis> This darn DNS crap
  • [20:43:01] <djlewis> hmmm, first time I get a penquin graphic on boot.
  • [20:44:31] <ds2> eh?
  • [20:44:46] <ds2> DNS just "works" unless you are in IT then it is another can of worms
  • [20:45:53] <djlewis> It wont refresh the nameserver properly. Switched to static, dis connman and it still erases my nameserver entry. then I get to the point here it looks right but no nameserver.
  • [20:46:22] <ds2> erases as in it nukes /etc/resolv.conf?
  • [20:46:30] <djlewis> It seems to take some special chant or magic to get wifi happy.
  • [20:46:33] <djlewis> yes
  • [20:46:38] <ds2> on Angstrom, the sage ones decided that file should not be presistant
  • [20:46:57] <djlewis> seems udhcpc is launching so I disabled that best I cood too.
  • [20:46:59] <ds2> so you'll need to utter the right angstrom magic to get it to presist
  • [20:47:19] <ds2> all this feeds into my whole distros suck argument ;)
  • [20:47:56] <djlewis> I am slowly warming up to that dreaded oe thing everyone is having to do.
  • [20:48:12] <djlewis> I am more a user / tester and simple program writer than developer.
  • [20:49:21] <ds2> you do not have to do OE
  • [20:49:23] <ds2> OE is purely optional
  • [20:49:50] <ds2> do not be fool... there are choices
  • [20:50:40] <djlewis> well, the present Angstrom build wont support many webcams that linux does.
  • [20:50:52] <ds2> all you need is 1. Kernel, 2. Userland; Userland can be very simple - Bash + a few utilities will suffice
  • [20:51:42] <djlewis> I am just trying to find my "happy place" here in BeagleBoard userland"
  • [20:52:15] <ds2> djlewis: what do you need in userland?
  • [20:52:29] <djlewis> I am reformatting my ext3 pat and beginning anew.
  • [20:53:12] <djlewis> I am into robotics with a goal to have visual recognition mobility, speech, speech recognition and some I2c, gpio ability
  • [20:53:37] <djlewis> Beagle seemed ideal after looking at the SV surveyor.
  • [20:53:46] <djlewis> SVR
  • [20:55:46] <ds2> so you don't need X or most of the GUI's
  • [20:56:07] <djlewis> I thought so for the beginning to aid development but NO later.
  • [20:56:21] <djlewis> I am installing a console image now.
  • [20:56:24] <ds2> the most complex userland stuff is the virual and speech recogonition..the rest canbe simople scripts or trivial C programs
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  • [20:56:48] <djlewis> yup, leave it to me to take the difficult path.
  • [20:56:54] <ds2> IIRC, angstrom wants you to utter network incantations in /etc/network/interfaces
  • [20:57:02] <ds2> take a look at that file
  • [20:57:19] <djlewis> Oh I did look at and modify that file for static WIFI
  • [20:57:28] <ds2> and?
  • [20:57:43] <djlewis> and that was fine except for losing nameserver on reboot
  • [20:58:04] <djlewis> Disabled connman to as it has to be done.
  • [20:58:29] <ds2> try this - rm -f /etc/resolv.conf
  • [20:58:32] <ds2> vi /etc/resolv.conf
  • [20:58:41] <ds2> see if that works better. by default resolv.conf is a symlink into a ramdisk
  • [20:59:13] <djlewis> i'll take notes for later as I have destroyed that file system.
  • [20:59:18] <ds2> ah
  • [20:59:27] <ds2> I'll bbl.. ph00d time
  • [21:00:34] <djlewis> thanks, enjoy.
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