[00:00:07] <Batko_Marto> and then a giant stack traec
[00:01:34] <Batko_Marto> it works for some time but then i get that error and everything dies
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[00:07:15] <|newbie|> hello, guys
[00:08:07] <|newbie|> i am having trouble unbricking my beagle
[00:08:44] <Batko_Marto> if anyone can help and knows the musb code better, here's the pastebin with the stack trace: http://pastebin.com/m27c9abcf
[00:09:11] <|newbie|> Texas Instruments X-Loader 1.41
[00:09:12] <|newbie|> Starting on with MMC
[00:09:12] <|newbie|> Unsupported Chip!
[00:09:12] <|newbie|> Reading boot sector
[00:10:05] <|newbie|> RMA?
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[00:23:02] <Luiz> already formatted sd
[00:23:36] <Luiz> copied MLO_restore and u-boot.bin_autoflash
[00:23:58] <Luiz> sometimes u-boot boots sometimes not
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[02:01:13] <elesueur> hey guys... im wondering where the source code for the beagleboard u-boot which has usbtty support working...
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[02:01:38] <elesueur> there's a binary on http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/downloads/list called u-boot_revc_v2.bin
[02:02:09] <elesueur> but there's only a source tarball for revb
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[02:07:21] <fenn> koen: why is the boot partition on the narcissus image 100MB? there's only 3MB of stuff on it
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[02:14:01] <viridior> anyone here not using codesourcery's toolchain and know anything about NEON? Trying to figure out if armv7a-neon-linux-gnueabi is feasible (whether neon is fully supported and working correctly).
[02:15:45] <viridior> is the default angstrom toolchain still using CS?
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[04:12:10] <hvaibhav> Koen: Good Morning
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[04:40:02] <ikevin> hi
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[05:05:58] <bass339> hello
[05:06:12] <cjp> hi
[05:06:50] <bass339> I can run ping.out,but dsp-dummy is error
[05:07:12] <bass339> I cross-compil dsp-dummy,some error
[05:07:21] <cjp> some?
[05:08:21] <bass339> libbridge.so has EABI version 0, but target dummy has EABI version 5
[05:08:42] <bass339> i use arm-2007q3 compiler
[05:08:42] <cjp> which toolchain r u using?
[05:08:49] <cjp> :-)
[05:09:11] <bass339> ?
[05:09:18] <cjp> GNU/Linux or EABI version
[05:09:52] <cjp> q3-51 or q3-53?
[05:10:48] <bass339> Sourcery G++ Lite 2007q3-51 for ARM GNU/Linux
[05:11:02] <cjp> ok - tool choice is good
[05:11:19] <bass339> i download use link on Sourcery G++ Lite 2007q3-51 for ARM GNU/Linux
[05:11:35] <bass339> sorry,i download use link on elinux.org
[05:11:48] <cjp> that's ok
[05:12:09] <cjp> your setup - you did on your own or follow instructions?
[05:12:56] <bass339> make DSP_TOOLS=/opt/TI/cg6x_6_1_7 DSP_DOFFBUILD=/opt/doffbuild BRIDGE_DIR=/home/weijianhua/omap3530/DSP/libdspbridge
[05:15:27] <cjp> sorry - I haven't tried this myself yet with these tools :-(
[05:16:01] <bass339> anybody help?
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[05:18:02] <bass339> felipe?
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[05:32:09] <jsync> bass339: i assume you have followed http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard/DSP_Howto ?
[05:35:43] <jsync> bass339: can you post the error in the pastebin while running "dsp-dummy" ?
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[05:38:58] <bass339> I follow DSP_Howto,all is ok;but make dsp-dummy is error
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[05:49:08] <bass339> i build dsp-dummy use arm-2007q3,but is not successful.
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[05:54:42] <jsync> bass339: what is the error you got ?
[05:58:04] <bass339> libbridge.so has EABI version 0, but target dummy has EABI version 5
[05:58:30] <bass339> i want to rebuild libdspbridge
[05:58:38] <ikevin> what is the dsp bridge for?
[05:59:07] <bass339> libbridge.so have issue
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[06:06:56] <jsync> i have never got that before..
[06:09:07] <bass339> ok,i rebuild libdspbridge.it is successful!thanks
[06:09:28] <ikevin> where are u guys from?
[06:09:55] <bass339> i will run dsp-dummy on board
[06:10:27] <jsync> ikevin: dsp bridge is an IPC between ARM and DSP on OMAP devices
[06:10:53] <ikevin> jsync oh ok
[06:11:20] <jsync> bass339: cool !
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[06:12:05] <ikevin> are u most of u guys software engineers?
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[06:13:20] <lucent> I'd like to find some software engineers ;)
[06:13:45] <ZeZu> ;)
[06:14:02] <lucent> I want a replacement for a vinyl record player that plays FLAC format audio and interfaces with simple fader / toggle switch controls for user input
[06:14:14] <lucent> with a little OLED display in the center to show the playback info
[06:14:27] <lucent> it would load info off USB storage device
[06:14:41] <ZeZu> easy enough to do
[06:14:49] <lucent> are you sure?
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[06:15:18] <ZeZu> yes
[06:15:37] <lucent> how would you go about a project like that, roughly speaking?
[06:16:59] <ZeZu> from a software standpoint? put together an image, and the libraries that meet the requirements, collect hid input for buttons etc, and output your display to the oled with state info
[06:17:14] <lucent> hm
[06:17:23] <lucent> based on Linux?
[06:17:25] <bass339> ok,i run dsp-dummy on board.
[06:17:30] <bass339> message:root@beagleboard:/usr/share/dsp-dummy# ./dummy info dummy_arm.c:61:create_node() dsp node created info dummy_arm.c:108:run_task() dsp node running info dummy_arm.c:118:run_task() running 14400 times info dummy_arm.c:155:run_task() dsp node terminated info dummy_arm.c:75:destroy_node() dsp node deleted
[06:17:52] <bass339> is message ok?
[06:18:01] <ZeZu> lucent, unless you had reason not to
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[06:18:27] <ZeZu> lucent, there is a realtime linux kernel, but for a project like that i'd see no reason to use it really
[06:18:50] <lucent> ZeZu: I'd be concerned about realtime playback and latency issues
[06:19:05] <lucent> is JACK working with the sound on the beagleboard?
[06:19:34] <ZeZu> i'm not 100% on that, but it is nice
[06:20:08] <lucent> "it is nice" what do you mean?
[06:20:12] <ZeZu> and there would be little cause for concern about such things if your the one handling the software end
[06:20:27] <ZeZu> jack audio daemon = is nice : nice to work with
[06:20:32] <jsync> bass339: looks like its ok.. but in order to confirm , turn on the debug messages in dsp-dummy
[06:20:50] <lucent> yes, I know. Does the sound on beagleboard work with JACK? That's my question
[06:21:02] <ZeZu> i'm not sure, i have yet to try it
[06:21:08] <lucent> where do I find the answer without buying first the beagleboard? :)
[06:21:20] <ZeZu> google?
[06:21:38] <ZeZu> google angstrom jack audio ?
[06:21:46] <lucent> why angstrom?
[06:22:00] <bass339> ok,thanks.jsync
[06:22:07] <ZeZu> because most packages in angstrom are a good bet to work on beagle
[06:22:11] <lucent> Try your suggestion first... I don't see how obvious this is
[06:22:20] <lucent> sarcasm need not apply
[06:22:49] <lucent> if you say it is easy, then show me
[06:23:20] <ZeZu> well i dont have the same interests as you perhaps, or the budget for such things
[06:23:28] <ZeZu> if you want to fund it i'd be more than happy
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[06:23:49] <lucent> how much is it worth to you?
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[06:24:28] <ZeZu> pm, probably not appropriate for in-channel discussion
[06:24:45] <koen> good morning all
[06:25:53] <bass339> jsync, you are jiangsu?
[06:26:35] <jsync> no
[06:26:42] <ZeZu> morning koen
[06:26:55] <bass339> sorry,where are you?
[06:26:57] * lucent obliges ZeZu
[06:27:20] <jsync> i'm from SD, CA
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[06:29:11] <bass339> California?
[06:29:17] <cjp> The JACK on BB works
[06:29:31] <cjp> at least on rev B7
[06:29:39] <jsync> yes..
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[06:48:01] <lucent> cjp: thanks!
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[06:48:08] <lucent> cjp: do you use this personally?
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[06:59:29] <koen> hmmm
[06:59:30] <koen> http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-4.4/
[06:59:45] <methril|work> good morning
[07:00:26] <lucent> koen: did they get the date wrong?
[07:01:09] <koen> Crofton|work: "GCC now supports the __sync_* atomic operations for ARM EABI GNU/Linux"
[07:01:39] <koen> lucent: no the 'hmmm' is that I don't trust x.y.0 gcc releases
[07:02:02] <lucent> ah okay. I notice that the News says April 21, 2009 yet the linked text claims April 21, 2008
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[08:25:07] <hrw> morning
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[08:57:12] <gregoiregentil> Does anyone know where is the limitation of running sgx in 24bpp? Is it in the omap3-sgx-modules driver or is it in the proprietary libraries? Any roadmap for this feature? Would it be possible to leave the 3d in 16 bit and have a hack in the driver to convert 16->24 so that DSS2 can be used in full color?
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[08:59:58] <mru> I guess you could put the sgx output on an overlay
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[09:02:28] <hrw> koen: I love how gnome breaks with uclibc...
[09:02:49] <mru> heh, I can only imagine
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[09:02:59] <mru> now try it on a nommu system ;-)
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[09:03:55] <hrw> mru: first would have to have such one D:
[09:05:24] <koen> gregoiregentil: iirc SGX expects a certain RGBX (or XRGB) format dss2 didn't support
[09:05:31] <koen> gregoiregentil: prateesh has the details on that
[09:06:03] * koen looks at libc6_2.9-r0.1_armv7a.ipk
[09:06:07] <gregoiregentil> OK. So there is hope?
[09:06:27] <mru> hrw: I have one, but it has no display
[09:06:53] <florian> good morning
[09:06:55] <koen> gregoiregentil: yes, tomba added a lot of formats last month, so adding the format sgx wants shouldn't be too hard I guess
[09:06:57] <gregoiregentil> koen: because fixing DSS2 is possible. Getting a new sgx libraries, I even don't think about it for 2009 ;-)
[09:07:06] <koen> gregoiregentil: and TI now seems to support DSS2 now :)
[09:07:08] <hrw> mru: there is always x11vnc ;D
[09:07:20] <koen> gregoiregentil: .07 or .08 sgx libs?
[09:07:22] <hrw> koen: glibc 2.9? nice
[09:07:34] <gregoiregentil> still .07
[09:07:42] <mru> if the hardware doesn't support a specific component order, you could always mess with the input to sgx
[09:07:45] <koen> 07 is 06 with a different license :)
[09:07:55] <gregoiregentil> do you have a .08?
[09:07:55] <mru> if you want red, tell it blue, etc
[09:08:00] <koen> gregoiregentil: not yet
[09:08:09] <gregoiregentil> It's what I said: 2010 ;-)
[09:08:21] <gregoiregentil> best case scenario ;-) ;-)
[09:08:53] <gregoiregentil> at least, we have something. We should not complaint. Freescale has nothing right now!
[09:10:09] <mru> does anyone know which cortex-a8 rev i.mx51 uses?
[09:10:16] <koen> even if freescale had something, it'd be fairly useless since they target ubuntu which doesn't seem to have opengles support
[09:10:54] <mru> freescale targets ubuntu? what does that even mean?
[09:14:58] <koen> they are giving ubuntu people imx51 boards so ubuntu runs out of the box on i.mx51 boards
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[09:16:56] <mru> and ffmpeg dev don't get any? what kind of favouritism is this?
[09:17:11] <mru> maybe if I asked for one...
[09:17:23] <koen> I'm trying to get a babbageboard as well
[09:17:37] <koen> but it seems freescale isn't selling them, only giving them to ubuntu people
[09:17:55] <mru> who would be the right person to ask?
[09:18:03] <koen> the babbage board is basically an i.mx51 beagle
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[09:24:39] <ogra> koen, lol
[09:24:46] <ogra> not really :)
[09:25:05] <mru> I'm struggling to find any official documentation on it
[09:25:12] <mru> any official mention at all, in fact
[09:25:32] <koen> isn't the edubuntu wiki official enough?
[09:25:35] * koen hindes
[09:25:37] <koen> ehm
[09:25:38] <koen> hides
[09:25:43] <ogra> heh
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[09:26:40] <mru> I was hoping something like freescale.com...
[09:26:55] <koen> no dice
[09:27:04] <mru> why make a board and not tell anyone?
[09:27:10] <suihkulokki> babbage is more like omap 3430 sdp than beagle
[09:27:17] <ogra> http://ossguy.com/?p=317
[09:27:41] <suihkulokki> something more beagle-like should come from genesi people
[09:28:55] <ogra> (the text doesnt mention the SATA port or the mini PCI)
[09:29:17] <hrw> suihkulokki: genesi moved to arm from ppc?
[09:29:58] <koen> hrw: I think they prefer "stayed with freescale" :)
[09:30:25] * suihkulokki likes how koen describes the situation
[09:30:40] <hrw> koen: :)
[09:32:06] <mru> ogra: I said "official", not "random blog"
[09:32:25] <koen> I love my efika
[09:32:44] <koen> it's my terminal server for dev boards
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[09:34:14] <hrw> koen: and power manager for them too iirc
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[09:34:59] <koen> yes
[09:35:34] <hrw> I have nice 200W atx psu to modify for power devboards/hubs
[09:36:05] <hrw> but have to add auto-on for it as it will not power any device with atx connector
[09:36:36] <ogra> koen, the next revision of the babbage should go to public market ... i heard rumours about june
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[09:49:30] <koen> sakoman: new overo arrived!
[09:51:19] <hrw> sakoman: building overocube?
[09:51:24] <koen> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/647ab819855ac24325b81bead3c136ce.png
[09:53:39] <hrw> koen: building overocube? (sorry sakoman)
[09:54:30] <koen> no, my old overo was a prototype which had some defects in the video lines
[09:54:41] <koen> so gumstix generously sent me a new one
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[09:58:22] <koen> of course the dutch customs wanted money
[09:58:35] <hrw> as usual
[09:59:20] <hrw> koen: 10USD commercial invoices helps to miss customs
[10:00:01] <koen> sadly this one had a real invoice
[10:00:09] <hrw> I know pain
[10:00:12] <florian> indeed
[10:00:22] <raster> koen: is that the new lcd module for overo?
[10:00:30] <koen> I can't complain though, since ???30 is still a lot less than $169 :)
[10:00:35] <koen> raster: yes
[10:00:36] <florian> For Germany its ok to declare it as a sample without commercial value.
[10:00:56] <raster> koen: bastard! already got one!
[10:00:58] <koen> raster: 4.3" 480x272
[10:02:42] <raster> koen: i know. i was hoping to get myself one sometime...
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[10:02:50] * koen opkg upgrade
[10:02:59] <raster> koen: nb i found some unfun stuff
[10:03:03] <raster> gnu_hash problems building gcc!
[10:03:32] <koen> gcc to run on the target?
[10:04:29] <raster> yes
[10:04:42] <raster> it only happens when i am building for armv5 (palmt650) it seems
[10:04:59] <raster> and the LDFLAGS hack doesnt fix it
[10:05:05] <raster> just turns it into a new blob of errors :(
[10:05:59] * koen is testing http://pastebin.com/m594f635a
[10:06:49] <ant_work> koen: log of console-image was S99zzapsplash : not found
[10:06:58] <hrw> koen: why not binutils 2.19?
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[10:07:29] <raster> koen: ok - my probs are with 4.2.4
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[10:07:51] <raster> maybe i should up the preferred versionf for armv5
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[10:09:09] <koen> hrw: 2.19 is broken
[10:09:15] <koen> hrw: tried that a while ago
[10:09:26] <koen> ant_work: so fix it :)
[10:09:32] <hrw> ok
[10:14:16] <raster> me awaits the reinstall
[10:14:24] <mib_niotse> i am using tomi dss git tree, i try to get dvi working on omap3 evm, any one tried this and succeeded
[10:14:25] <raster> i hope i can live inside 80g this time
[10:15:03] <ant_work> raster: you forgot to add + ${SPLASH} \ in console-image :-)
[10:15:30] <raster> ant_work: i probably did as i have no idea what distros build oin top of angstrom
[10:15:36] <mib_niotse> i connect dvi cable to evm, i have set the bootargs correctly as it works on beagle for my dvi monitor and i dont see anything on monitor
[10:15:39] <raster> so i just grepped for angstrom in image .bb's
[10:15:47] <raster> it didnt have anything thus missed the fix
[10:15:51] <ant_work> raster: no way to know...
[10:16:02] <raster> yeah
[10:16:06] <raster> thats the problem
[10:16:11] <raster> i hope it will get fixed over time
[10:16:19] <raster> it was a necessary change to abstract splash out
[10:17:33] <koen> hrw: console image works with new glibc, gcc and binutils on beagle
[10:17:48] <hrw> koen: great
[10:18:16] * koen attempts to locate his gta01
[10:20:54] <hrw> mine is in a box with cables
[10:21:37] <hrw> koen: boot ep9712 instead of gta01?
[10:21:54] <raster> crap thats fast
[10:25:35] <koen> raster: what's fast?
[10:25:58] <koen> hrw: the ep9312 would need a plug that is in use :)
[10:26:27] * koen hugs his quadcore for building beagle/c7x0/om-gta01 console-image in parallel
[10:27:00] <raster> koen: well i9 was getting dma errors on my hdd in my lappy
[10:27:14] <raster> ie DRD RDY errors
[10:27:23] <raster> i am about to go travelling for 6 weeks
[10:27:36] <raster> i do NOT want my laptop hdd to die on me during my trip - so i rpelaced it
[10:27:42] <raster> with a x25-m
[10:27:50] <koen> heh
[10:27:58] <koen> too poor for an x25-e?
[10:28:03] <raster> HAHAHAHA
[10:28:04] <raster> yes
[10:28:11] <hrw> heh..
[10:28:14] * koen is too poor for an x25-m
[10:28:14] <raster> x25-m is already expensive enough!
[10:28:21] <raster> and i downgrade from 250g to 80g
[10:28:26] <raster> so i hope everythngi fits
[10:28:31] <raster> i wonder how well oe builds on it tho
[10:28:35] <koen> everything fits with a hammer
[10:28:46] <koen> raster: INHERIT += "rm_work"
[10:28:55] <raster> koen: i already do
[10:29:03] <raster> i have mor than oe build stuff there
[10:29:13] <ant_work> koen: btw, on my buildhost I use CFLAGS=???-march=core2 -mfpmath=sse -mssse3 -O2 -pipe??? LDFLAGS=???-Wl,-z,now,-O1,???enable-new-dtags,???as-needed,???hash-style=gnu???...all seems fine, even gcc-4.3.2. Just epiphany crashes almost on everything :-(
[10:29:22] <ant_work> known webkit-* regression?
[10:29:31] <koen> dunno
[10:29:38] <ant_work> the LDFLAGS?
[10:29:40] <koen> epiphany works on my beagle and overo :)
[10:30:02] <ant_work> I've read about missing deps for epiphany
[10:30:10] <raster> but one thing is for sure.. god damn does it boot fast now
[10:30:23] <ant_work> making it instantly fail on javascripts and so on..
[10:30:30] <hrw> speed...
[10:30:48] <raster> hrw: i mostly got it to not have my disk crash on me
[10:30:55] <raster> lack of spinning parts.. is a good thing (tm)
[10:31:07] <hrw> I have to test one day my quadcore + 10GbE ethernet + friend iscsi backplate with OE builds
[10:31:15] <koen> raster: now your HD is as fast as the ram in your beagle
[10:31:23] <raster> koen: HAHAHHAHAHA
[10:31:39] <hrw> he has backplane capable to give few hundreds of MB/s i/o
[10:31:42] <raster> actually i think the beagel ram is faster
[10:31:56] <raster> hrw: you're still limited by the media
[10:31:58] <raster> and access times
[10:32:02] <raster> mostly for normal hdd's
[10:33:03] <raster> sdd's have amazing io (like 250m/s of read, and 90m/s write)
[10:33:15] <raster> ti know the previois 65400hdd could pull 50m/s reads
[10:33:20] <hrw> raster: I am. but with many hdd in backplate it works quite good
[10:33:33] <raster> err 5400rpm
[10:34:00] <raster> throw a few x25-e
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[10:34:07] <raster> throw a few x25-e's onto the backplate and see
[10:34:08] <raster> :)
[10:35:40] <koen> I wonder how the wearlevelling algo copes with raid stripes
[10:38:31] <raster> dunno
[10:38:35] <raster> but its a nice problem to have
[10:38:35] <raster> :)
[10:40:42] <geckosenator> how do you connect the ssd?
[10:40:49] <geckosenator> the only way I could think of was over usb
[10:40:59] <geckosenator> but the drive is much faster than that
[10:41:32] * koen suspects rasters laptop has a sata port
[10:41:33] <raster> geckosenator: sata
[10:41:44] <geckosenator> oh I thought it was on a beagle
[10:41:51] <raster> oooh hahaha! no
[10:41:59] <geckosenator> does the omap have sata?
[10:42:05] <raster> that has to live with a paltry 2gb sd card
[10:42:06] <raster> :)
[10:42:09] <raster> no
[10:42:12] <raster> it doesnt
[10:42:16] <raster> thats a desktop/laptop tech
[10:42:20] <raster> not favored inthe embedded world
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[10:42:34] <raster> gpi, spi, i2c, sdio and usb are the go there
[10:42:58] <koen> you'd have to look in the davinci corner for things like sata
[10:43:30] <hrw> or sheeva
[10:43:34] <hrw> or oxnas
[10:47:58] <geckosenator> so I would have to use a usb->sata converter
[11:05:30] <mib_niotse> i enabled dvi on evm, i get the message: omapdss: Could not find exact pixel clock. Requested 23500 kHz, got 24000 kHz, If i enable CONFIG_OMAP2_DSS_USE_DSI_PLL, i get omapdss DSI error: cannot lock PLL
[11:05:43] <mib_niotse> any clue whats wrong?
[11:06:28] <tomba> mib_niotse: you don't need DSI PLL, 23.5MHz should be close enough to 24MHz to make it work
[11:07:12] <mib_niotse> i thought so but why is omapdss spitting out the fatal message?
[11:07:18] <mib_niotse> is the message fatal?
[11:07:24] <tomba> no
[11:08:45] <khasim> Do we know any Voice Activity Detection Software.
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[11:15:53] <koen> heh
[11:16:06] <koen> somone calls the beagle "memory constrained"
[11:16:18] <koen> I guess he didn't use the 32MB ram arm devices :)
[11:17:02] <Crofton|work> heh
[11:18:31] <eFfeM> lol saw that as well
[11:18:56] <eFfeM> koen, did you mention the other day that you were looking at the kernel EDID parser ?
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[11:30:53] <koen> eFfeM: I was looking at http://beagleboard.googlegroups.com/attach/bd988bdaa65b7d58/0001-HACK-DSS2-Hack-for-EDID-testing.patch?view=1&part=2
[11:31:00] <koen> shouldn't be too hard to update that to 2.6.29
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[11:31:58] <koen> http://beagleboard.googlegroups.com/attach/bd988bdaa65b7d58/0001-HACK-DSS2-Hack-for-EDID-testing.patch?gda=qxLRNkYAAACRN_1h_1Havfn2-2hFWJxxQ5Q20z4b1Dq80ka5i0UEpUX_3Tl9pzR7cMP2OMKBQgNx40jamwa1UURqDcgHarKEE-Ea7GxYMt0t6nY0uV5FIQ&view=1&part=2 that is
[11:33:06] <tomba> the hack lives on
[11:34:23] <eFfeM> ok, will try to find time to look at it somewhere in the upcoming days
[11:34:53] <koen> florian: according to toshiba the topas910 is arm926, not arm9220
[11:36:13] * eFfeM is trying to create a package for flickcurl
[11:36:14] <florian> koen: indeed... where do we have arm9220?
[11:36:42] <hrw> koen: http://blog.windfluechter.net/index.php?/archives/420-guid.html - and people complain that OE takes lot of time
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[11:36:58] <koen> florian: http://cgit.openembedded.net/cgit.cgi?url=openembedded/commit/&id=c09525bd6ddf706ca43c26fac6a79749ca6b0ea5
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[11:37:43] * florian needs to update support for it anyway - he has 2.6.29 with much better hardware support now
[11:37:44] <eFfeM> having problems with configure wnating to thest if vsnprintf has a c99 return value; (cannot compile test program), is there a standard solution for that?
[11:37:58] <koen> eFfeM: update the site files
[11:38:44] <eFfeM> koen, don't understand that
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[11:39:33] <koen> eFfeM: http://docs.openembedded.org/usermanual/usermanual.html#id512721
[11:40:10] <eFfeM> koen, thanks!
[11:40:26] * eFfeM must find time to reread the whole manual.
[11:40:27] <eFfeM> sigh
[11:40:50] * florian wonders if there is *any* other device with the TMPA910
[11:41:12] <koen> florian: it's funny to see that the guy behind the powerdevelopers site claims that the beagle and the toshiba board share the same arm core
[11:44:13] <florian> koen: heh... Mr. Kn?bel?
[11:44:23] <florian> koen: Where did you find that?
[11:46:00] <koen> florian: http://www.powerdeveloper.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1588&sid=28e2b49ac815be35ab13bec00cb9813c
[11:46:07] <koen> "Toshiba is selling the same ARM core on a board we developed for $99. "
[11:54:54] <florian> koen: This is not correct in many ways. Apart from the core the Topas is way more expensive.
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[11:55:46] <florian> Glyn sells the kit for ~EUR 250 iirc but even this is more for advertising Toshiba and Segger
[11:56:22] <florian> I'm writing a short article about this for my blog...
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[12:02:32] <koen> heh
[12:02:41] <mru> hmm, that's an arm926
[12:02:43] <koen> more expensive than beagle and way less powerfull
[12:02:50] <koen> but with a cute lcd
[12:03:08] <koen> for ???250 you can buy an overo + palo43
[12:04:27] <Crofton|work> koen, no need to reply with "bitbake linphone" :)
[12:06:00] <koen> is linphone working?
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[12:08:36] <Crofton|work> dunno
[12:08:38] <koen> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/150ba555ef9ff1c4dbdb0fe5d180cfb1.png
[12:08:41] <koen> that's better
[12:08:45] <Crofton|work> maybe that could be his thesis, fixing it :)
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[12:10:52] <mib_niotse> tomba: when i do echo "dvi" > manager0/display i get the message "omapdss MANAGER error: failed to set manager"
[12:12:02] <Downix> anyone know which CPU the Alpha 680 is using?
[12:12:39] <mib_niotse> tomba: http://pastebin.ca/1399557
[12:13:13] <mib_niotse> i dont know why timmings always take 640x480 as resolution even though i set it to 1280x720
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[12:30:07] <tomba> mib_niotse: I don't have EVM, so I can't really help. but changing the display runtime is a bit shaky. try first using dvi by default
[12:32:13] <mib_niotse> tomba: i will try that
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[12:44:17] <mib_niotse> tomba: i tried that why does cat display0/timings show 24000,640/48/80/32,480/3/7/4, i have given omap fb.video_mode=1280x720MR-24@60 in my bootargs and it wont take it, it always shows 640 480
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[12:44:37] <mib_niotse> i dont see any thing on dvi monitor
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[13:02:23] <sakoman> koen: glad it finally made it!
[13:02:41] <sakoman> but does it work?
[13:02:43] <koen> I was about to mail you about a tracking no :)
[13:02:47] <koen> it works great!
[13:02:53] <sakoman> excellent!
[13:03:31] <sakoman> koen: I've been looking at mani's work on the ethernet driver in the u-boot git
[13:03:47] <sakoman> at first glance it doesn't seem that there is any way that it could work
[13:04:04] <koen> send me a palo43 with ethernet and I'll gladly test it :)
[13:04:04] <sakoman> have you ever tried it on your evm?
[13:04:17] <koen> I have had no success with u-boot on evm whatsoever
[13:04:31] <sakoman> I have it limping on Overo/Tobi
[13:05:51] <sakoman> But I looked at the code in the evm u-boot and became quite confused because it seemed to be missing vital pieces and contained some extra stuff that I had no clue as to function
[13:06:19] <sakoman> So I decided to ignore it and do "the right thing"
[13:06:19] <hrw> sakoman: which ethernet you use in overo?
[13:06:37] <sakoman> lan9221 from smsc
[13:07:01] <hrw> fbprogress: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: no version information available (required by fbprogress)
[13:07:11] <hrw> koen: I do not like 4.3.0 libstdc++ :D
[13:07:34] <sakoman> guess I will try to fix the evm u-boot after I finish Overo ethernet support
[13:07:42] <mru> I do not like libstdc++ of any version
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[13:08:51] <suihkulokki> sakoman: what is it attached to? spi, gpmc ?
[13:09:05] <sakoman> suihkulokki: gpmc
[13:10:08] <sakoman> koen: did the splash bugs in e get resolved yet? been wallowing in u-boot and factory scripts and haven't been paying attention
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[13:24:36] <mib_k8jbbd> hey
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[13:40:25] <hrw> koen_: rev 50984c4e084f1032d9fa4a9ce770b5644c7ca4a1 - do you remember what it unbreaks?
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[13:42:26] <Downix> ok, was just offered a dozen SGI's.... debating weither to take them or not
[13:42:32] <Downix> (old MIPS based models)
[13:42:32] <koen_> hrw: kernel.bbclass screwed up package versioning and dependencies
[13:44:14] <hrw> koen_: and it sets CONFIG_LOCALVERSION_AUTO for me which screws versioning and deps
[13:45:36] <mru> Downix: how old SGI machines?
[13:45:48] <hrw> koen_: so I got 2.6.27.2-svn8826-dirty26 which was 2.6.27.2-svn8826-dirty9 in reality...
[13:46:05] <Downix> mru: ranging from R4400 to R10000
[13:46:36] * mru has still to do something useful with his old Octane
[13:47:00] <Downix> mru: a crimson, two indy, two indigo II, two Onyx, three Octane, and two rackmountable that I don't know the model to.
[13:47:15] <koen_> hrw: hmmm
[13:47:55] <hrw> yep
[13:48:36] <Downix> mru: I had thought to setup a beowolf render farm, but there's not much advantage to the hardware
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[13:49:48] <mru> Downix: a modern intel machine will be faster than all those combined
[13:50:07] <Downix> mru: I have a quadcore Xeon on my desk
[13:50:19] <Downix> mru: the quad-R10k racks might be useful
[13:50:28] <mru> I have an i7 and a core2 quad
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[13:51:23] <mru> and a dual-core
[13:51:40] <mru> (and an old p4)
[13:51:49] <Sinky> Hi . where can I find this document spraaa0.pdf ?
[13:51:51] <hrw> koen: http://pastebin.ca/1399649 - take a look
[13:51:59] <mru> Sinky: tried google?
[13:52:07] <Sinky> mru of course :)
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[13:52:29] <mru> Sinky: a lot of people ask first and google later
[13:52:43] <koen> hrw: looks ok to me
[13:52:48] <Downix> ok, since it's bragging time: Quad core Xeon, Athlon x2, Core Duo, quad CPU HyperSPARC, UltraSPARC II, PowerPC G4 667Mhz, Sempron 3200+, 1Mhz 6510 and 7.14Mhz 68000
[13:52:56] <Downix> mru: on my desk
[13:53:12] <koen> Sinky: http://www.ti.com/litv/pdf/spraaa0a
[13:53:13] <hrw> Downix: C64 and A500?
[13:53:15] <Sinky> mru http://focus.ti.com/lit/an/spraaa0/spraaa0.pdf - missing
[13:53:36] <koen> it helps to add 'a' 'b' 'c' after the numbers since TI updates docs a lot
[13:53:58] <Downix> hrw: yup
[13:54:02] <mru> Downix: I also have an Alpha 164SX, Alpha UP1500, powermac g4, three beagles, an avr32 board, and a blackfin board
[13:54:03] <Sinky> cool
[13:54:05] <Sinky> koen thanks
[13:54:05] <Sinky> ;)
[13:54:15] <mru> Downix: and a couple of nokia tablets
[13:54:21] <Downix> mru: My Alpha XP1000 is upstairs and doesn't run anymore. No PSU for it.
[13:54:31] <hrw> my desk: core2quad, pentium-m, ep9301, at91sam9263, imx31, avr32-which-model-i-do-not-remember, omap3530
[13:54:54] <mru> oh, I forgot the pentium-m laptop
[13:55:06] <hrw> koen: would you ack to push to dev and stable?
[13:55:37] <Downix> mru: in any case, the offer is for those, an UltraSPARC II, a SuperSPARC, a PowerPC 601 RS6000, a MAJC, and a Xeon for $150. Worth it just for the Xeon, but then, what do I do with the rest?
[13:55:54] <hrw> Downix: recycle
[13:55:55] <mru> sell them
[13:56:01] <mru> for $150
[13:56:22] <Downix> mru: who would want them? (And I'd like to keep the rack and indy's, the Indy was cool)
[13:56:25] <suihkulokki> store them and sell them as collectables in 20 years
[13:56:38] <hrw> majc?
[13:56:55] <Downix> hrw: Sun's VLIW CPU, also called the Java Processor
[13:57:03] <Downix> hrw: total bomb in the marketplace
[13:57:04] <hrw> ah
[13:57:12] <mru> ugh
[13:57:33] <Downix> oh, and a PowerPC G3 tower
[13:57:36] <Downix> old beige-box tower
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[13:57:57] <florian> Downix: I agree on the Indy :)
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[13:58:11] <Downix> florian, I'd keep both so I had spare parts handy
[13:58:20] <florian> Hrm.. which machiens had this MAJC?
[13:58:31] <koen> hrw: yes, I would ack it
[13:59:08] <Downix> florian, Java terminals
[13:59:17] <hrw> koen: thx
[13:59:17] <koen> majc is javastation2?
[13:59:26] * koen likes the krups design
[13:59:55] <florian> oops
[14:00:02] * florian has one
[14:00:07] <Downix> koen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAJC
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[14:02:34] <Downix> koen: don't think the JS2 had it. This particular JavaStation is a prototype of some sort, lacks any of the usual stickers for a production machine
[14:04:18] <florian> I guess it would some fun to get a recent Linux running on the Krups.
[14:05:05] <s0lid> hi all
[14:05:54] <florian> hi s0lid
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[14:06:42] <koen> florian: a local group here is using OE to do that :)
[14:07:15] <florian> koen: cool - any link yet?
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[14:09:00] <florian> Hum... http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/JavaStation-HOWTO.html#KernelBuild-KernelVersionSupportSection
[14:09:27] <koen> florian: http://www.dnd.utwente.nl/js/wakka/OpenEmbedded
[14:09:53] <Downix> floran: that's pretty cool.
[14:10:31] <Downix> if I get this, I'll be up to four SPARC machines
[14:11:22] <florian> koen: pretty good
[14:13:16] <hrw> koen: patch sent to OEML with your Ack
[14:13:35] <koen> hrw: thanks
[14:13:42] <hrw> koen: thx too
[14:19:30] <eFfeM> koen, a while ago you told me to use the site file. what I did instead was just set the ac var in EXTRA_OECONF, that also did the trick
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[14:22:36] <koen> eFfeM: yes, but that breaks when your platform has a different result for that test
[14:22:57] <koen> e.g. size of long is different for 32bit and 64bit systems
[14:23:14] <eFfeM> ah ok
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[14:24:25] <eFfeM> koen, guess I then add it to site/arm-linux ?
[14:25:13] <eFfeM> although technically this also might have the same problem as the values in there could be compiler dependent \
[14:25:48] <koen> the site files provide info for arch and c library
[14:27:14] <Sinky> koen Can I flash the kernel which is placed in the NOR flash only If I have USB Lan (which is not available under U-Boot) and also have Serial Connection (I can use it to enter u-boot) ?
[14:27:44] <Sinky> koen, Do I need Ethernet to boot the kernel from TFTP first??
[14:28:01] <mru> there is no nor flash
[14:28:28] <mru> the simplest is to load the kernel from an sd card
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[14:29:24] <koen> sakoman: does the palo keys & leds patch work properly for you?
[14:29:27] <Sinky> mru this question is not exactly about beagle .. it is on principle
[14:29:36] <koen> sakoman: I only get one led working and no keys
[14:30:37] <mru> Sinky: you need to get the kernel into ram whatever you intend to do with it
[14:31:20] <Sinky> mru, yep, but is there any other way instead of loading it from TFTP (I do not have ethernet) to RAM
[14:31:36] <Sinky> Maybe I can copy it to NAND when the system is booted ?
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[14:35:14] <mru> u-boot can load it from an sd card if your board has such a slot
[14:35:30] <mru> maybe it supports something like rz or kermit, not sure
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[14:38:47] <sakoman> koen: I must admit that I still have't had a chance to try the keys & leds patch
[14:39:21] <sakoman> I've verifed that the hw works by using /sys/class////gpio
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[14:40:20] <sakoman> writing 0 to gpio 21/22 turson the leds
[14:41:23] <sakoman> pressing the buttons results in gpios 23 and 14 going from 1 to 0
[14:41:49] <Sinky> mru cool. thanks.. I did it with kermit ;)
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[14:56:42] <koen> aha!
[14:56:56] <koen> my DSL modem craps out when I try a SIP connection
[14:57:04] <Downix> hmm,odd
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[14:57:49] <koen> a loopback test works, but doing a call from beagle -> overo kills it about 80% of the time
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[15:04:24] <sakoman> koen: is this with ekiga? I haven't had much luck with calls either :-(
[15:04:59] <sakoman> the test call works, but not much else
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[15:19:35] <ant_work> koen: possibly there is a broken SIP_ALG/siproxd in your router...it happens
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[15:24:06] <florian> koen: http://fl0rian.wordpress.com/2009/04/22/linux-support-for-a-gem/
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[15:28:43] <koen> sakoman: I'm going to try ekiga 3.2.0 later today
[15:31:05] <ant_work> koen: what usually 'kills' router is the NAT-Session overflow
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[15:40:42] <_don_> has anyone else tried building gstreamer today? Looks like gst-plugin-avi and a few other packages are missing.
[15:40:49] <_don_> Just updated
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[16:59:26] <hrw> re
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[18:03:07] <Crofton|work> jkridner|work, http://www.embedded-computing.com/articles/id/?3838
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[18:07:41] <jkridner|work> does this article convince you?
[18:07:50] * jkridner|work suspects it wouldn't sway mru :)
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[18:08:26] <Crofton|work> heh
[18:08:37] * koen isn't a programmer
[18:08:40] <Crofton|work> lets just say, I'm not sure I would ever use an ide
[18:08:46] <mru> both "white paper" and "ide" in the same title, can't be good
[18:08:47] <Crofton|work> but I know people who might
[18:08:55] <Crofton|work> and a bitch to get the pdf
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[18:09:23] <koen> stuff corporate people like generally doesn't do well with the people in the field
[18:09:42] <Crofton|work> but, I am really curious if I could take a canadian cross toolchain from OE and use it in on a windows machine running eclipse
[18:09:46] <mru> not even with their own engineers
[18:10:03] <jkridner|work> corporate people like to have compilers. :)
[18:10:18] <mru> compiler != ide
[18:10:23] <koen> corporate people like harry potter
[18:10:29] <mru> a compiler is something that turns C code into assembler
[18:10:35] <jkridner|work> fair enough on the harry potter comment.
[18:11:01] <jkridner|work> but both like compilers--point is that they are different ones.
[18:11:02] * koen has been testing glibc/gcc/binutils combinations all day
[18:11:10] <koen> (still no 2009q1 though)
[18:11:24] <mru> koen: tried gcc 4.4 yet?
[18:11:29] <koen> not yet
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[18:11:44] <koen> it's an x.y.0 gcc release
[18:11:54] <koen> I'll try 4.4.1 that they'll release tomorrow
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[18:12:17] <mru> could be fun to ridicule it
[18:13:12] <Refractor> Hi, does anybody have a working linux.inf file for the USB gadget on Windows 64-bit?
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[18:13:43] <Refractor> All I can get is "This device cannot start. (Code 10)"
[18:13:50] <koen> "submit them to open source kernel"
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[18:48:45] <koen> gregoiregentil: ping
[18:49:03] <Beagle8> hellp
[18:49:07] <Beagle8> hello
[18:49:21] <mru> hj
[18:49:23] <mru> hi
[18:49:34] <Beagle8> does any know if you can successfully boot from USB using the beagle board
[18:49:58] <Beagle8> I have wired external power to the board and tried to use two reset with no luck
[18:50:02] <mru> depends on what you mean
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[18:50:32] <Beagle8> i want both the x-load and the u-boot.bin to be pulled of a usb flash drive
[18:50:49] <Beagle8> i have the host controller support in u-boot for the kernel loading
[18:55:27] <gregoiregentil> koen: pong
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[18:58:53] <eFfeM> koen, still have problems with site/arm-linux, see http://pastebin.com/d147b0f14 for my .bb file and a short description of what i did
[18:59:11] <eFfeM> guess this is a trivial one for you but for me it is a teeth-breaker
[19:00:29] * koen takes a look
[19:01:07] <eFfeM> thanks!
[19:01:40] <koen> eFfeM: try putting it in common-glibc and -c clean flickcurl
[19:02:06] <eFfeM> will try
[19:05:03] <eFfeM> koen, common-glibc as DEPENDS ???
[19:05:15] <hrw> eFfeM: site/common-glibc
[19:05:21] <eFfeM> ah ok
[19:05:33] <eFfeM> now i understand, thanks
[19:07:04] <eFfeM> thought it had to go in site/arm-linux
[19:07:22] <koen> it looks like a glibc function
[19:07:29] * eFfeM holds breath
[19:07:30] <eFfeM> it is
[19:07:36] <koen> or rather, like something uclibc might mess up
[19:07:44] <eFfeM> site dir is uncharted territory
[19:07:50] <eFfeM> for me
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[19:08:14] <eFfeM> still fails: checking vsnprintf has C99 compatible return value... configure: error: cannot run test program while cross compiling
[19:08:32] <mru> that's why you need to override it
[19:08:37] <eFfeM> trying one more thing
[19:09:51] <eFfeM> yeah but when I override in common-glibc configure still fails :-(
[19:10:48] <hrw> have a nice rest of day
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[19:10:52] <eFfeM> feel free to lift the recipe from http://pastebin.com/d147b0f14 and suffer with me
[19:11:01] <eFfeM> hrw, cya and have a nice evening
[19:11:41] <koen> eFfeM: which version?
[19:11:53] <koen> I don't have a working toolchain atm
[19:12:00] <eFfeM> head
[19:12:02] <eFfeM> dev
[19:12:18] <eFfeM> do I need CONFIG_SITE
[19:12:35] <koen> I meant which flickcurl version :)
[19:12:48] <eFfeM> 1.9
[19:12:52] <koen> no, it should pick up common automatically
[19:12:57] <koen> see siteinfo.bbclass
[19:13:42] <eFfeM> koen, you're steering me into an area where I am a stranger and tom-tom does not work over there :-D
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[19:14:44] <koen> ../../site/common-glibc:21:ac_cv_func_vsnprintf_c99=${ac_cv_func_vsnprintf_c99=yes}
[19:14:49] <koen> that one is already in there
[19:15:09] * eFfeM feels f**ked
[19:15:18] <koen> note the _c99
[19:15:27] <eFfeM> ah
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[19:16:17] <eFfeM> it is there in my version as well, and I added the variant without _c99
[19:16:20] <eFfeM> but no success
[19:16:51] <koen> weird
[19:17:01] <koen> you can use -D and see which files it loads
[19:17:16] <eFfeM> bitbake -D ?
[19:17:40] <eFfeM> trying
[19:18:09] <koen> bitbake -D flickcurl -c configgre -f
[19:18:24] <koen> better with -b flickcurl_1.9.bb
[19:19:32] <eFfeM> configure: loading site script /home/frans/oe/openembedded/site/common-glibc
[19:20:09] <eFfeM> should this not be invoked in the automake step
[19:20:15] <eFfeM> or do i need to make that one explicit ?
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[19:21:32] <eFfeM> configure:if test $ac_cv_func_vsnprintf = yes; then
[19:21:40] <eFfeM> config.log:ac_cv_func_vsnprintf=yes
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[19:22:02] <eFfeM> weird
[19:25:23] <eFfeM> koen, here is the output of the bitbake -D run: http://pastebin.com/d2648155c
[19:25:59] <eFfeM> line 291 includes ...
[19:26:17] <koen> eFfeM: like 395
[19:26:32] <eFfeM> true
[19:26:43] <koen> the '(cached)' denotes it loaded from the site files
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[19:28:10] <koen> so what's line 398 trying to test?
[19:28:15] <eFfeM> trying to upload the log file to filebin.ca
[19:28:45] <eFfeM> hm filebin does not like
[19:29:15] <koen> better look at configure and see which var it tries to test
[19:29:18] <eFfeM> 398 is the test for ac_cv_func_vsnsprintf
[19:29:31] <eFfeM> yes, i think it does not look if the var is set
[19:29:47] <koen> what's 395 then?
[19:30:05] <eFfeM> ehh
[19:30:29] <eFfeM> one is hte existence of the func, the other one is whether the fucn retval is c99 compiant
[19:30:34] <eFfeM> excuse the typos
[19:30:44] <eFfeM> and the c99 var is not in configure.ac
[19:30:58] * eFfeM slowly starts to understand
[19:32:00] <eFfeM> this is the snippet from configure.ac: http://pastebin.com/d33b35986
[19:32:37] <eFfeM> guess that needs a patch
[19:33:15] <koen> ah, I see what the problem is
[19:33:20] <eFfeM> add something like:
[19:33:27] <koen> it tests for vsnprintf and then for http://pastebin.com/d33b35986
[19:33:30] <koen> ehm
[19:33:35] <koen> c99
[19:33:50] <eFfeM> if X$ac_cv_func_vsnprintf_c99 == "X"; then
[19:33:53] <eFfeM> and then do the test ?
[19:34:25] <eFfeM> yes and it does not check if _c99 is set or so
[19:34:33] <koen> if ac_cv_func_vsnprintf_c99 = yes ; then AC_DEFINE(HAVE_C99_VSNPRINTF, 1, [vsnprint has C99 compatible return value])
[19:34:38] <koen> or something like that
[19:34:43] <eFfeM> ok
[19:35:12] <koen> or just define it to 'no' to skip that test completely
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[19:35:57] <eFfeM> how, only .bb file I found for that is ekg which uses --without-c99-vsnprintf but that did not work, already tried that
[19:36:30] <koen> EXTRA_OECONF = "ac_cv_func_vsnprintf=no"
[19:36:59] <koen> putting site stuff in a recipe is a hack, in this case justified if you don't want to patch configure.ac
[19:37:02] <eFfeM> eh, that's what I did 5 hrs ago and then you told me to use site :-)
[19:37:15] <eFfeM> ok
[19:37:19] <eFfeM> clean way is to patch
[19:37:27] <koen> defining it to 'no' is safe
[19:37:40] <eFfeM> ok, then i'll be lazy
[19:38:12] <eFfeM> i'm not too good in c99 so didn't exactly know the diff
[19:38:31] * eFfeM learned C in 1984 or so
[19:38:35] <eFfeM> K&R
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[19:40:04] <eFfeM> anyway koen thanks for your help, it is clear for me on how to proceed
[19:40:19] <_don_> all - I just did a fresh build today and not my beagle only boots up in 640x480. When booting I'm getting: "Unknown boot option `omapfb.video_mode=1280x1024MR-16@60': ignoring" Did something change? Where can I look to find out? Thanks.
[19:40:32] <_don_> s/not my beagle/now my beagle/g
[19:40:49] <eFfeM> _don_: if you moved to a newer kernel the u-boot args to set video have changed
[19:41:13] <_don_> ok, thanks. I'm looking for a wiki page or something to describe the new opts.
[19:41:40] <eFfeM> I think there is a *DSS* file in the kernel documentation
[19:45:40] <_don_> eFfeM - thanks, I got it now. I had looked at the DSS file earlier but missed the subtle renaming of "video_mode" to just "mode". Was still using "video_mode" with the new arg format.
[19:45:59] <eFfeM> _don_: np, my pleasure :-)
[19:46:04] <eFfeM> & have fun
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[20:12:21] <koen> _don_: omapfb.mode=dvi:1024x768MR-24@60
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[20:16:06] <_don_> koen - thanks
[20:16:20] <koen> note the 'dvi:'
[20:16:34] <koen> you can now set resolutions for multiple displays at once
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[20:16:58] <koen> e.g. dvi:<something lcd:480x640 on the evm
[20:17:05] <_don_> got it - problem I had was I didn't rename "video_mode" to "mode".
[20:17:09] <_don_> oh, that's cool!
[20:17:17] <_don_> haven't updated on the evm yet.
[20:17:29] <koen> check documentation/arm/OMAP/DSS in the kernel tree
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[20:24:03] <Beagle8> has anyone tried to use the usb to boot the beagle board.
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[20:24:54] <_don_> I've been able to mount the rootfs over USB, but not boot the kernel.
[20:25:58] <jkridner|work> Beagle8: see http://beagleboard.org/project/USB+download/
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[20:29:03] <Beagle8> thanks for the advice i've read this note too.
[20:29:31] <Beagle8> i am working on a system with only USB support and wanted to know if anyone had tried to do a complete USB Boot
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[20:50:58] <Crofton|work> http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&ll=37.300275,-118.432617&spn=11.96226,15.117187&z=6&msid=101521096530279421199.0004682835ee0cef7a537
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[21:21:31] <xander85> anyone available to help me with a quick compiling question?
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[21:22:23] <MrLook> Hello people. Last night i tried to boot from my SD card for the first time but it didn't work
[21:22:36] <MrLook> i used Linux to partition it
[21:22:42] <MrLook> following some steps i found online
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[21:23:11] <MrLook> after formatting the card
[21:23:17] <MrLook> what files do i need to copy onto the sd card
[21:23:20] <MrLook> to boot?
[21:23:45] <MrLook> does it matter if the xloader is on there?
[21:24:01] <MrLook> i put some uboot .bin file in there i believe
[21:24:08] <xander85> here let me get you a link
[21:24:33] <xander85> what board rev do u hav
[21:24:34] <xander85> e
[21:26:23] <xander85> look at this
[21:26:24] <xander85> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardBeginners
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[21:26:43] <xander85> look here too if you have a Rev C board
[21:26:44] <xander85> http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleboardRevCValidation
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[21:26:53] <xander85> also, check downloads at the top for all versions of everything
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[21:47:14] <MrLook> hmmm
[21:47:20] <MrLook> so maybe i have the wrong rev?
[21:47:21] <MrLook> ok
[21:48:50] <MrLook> ok
[21:48:55] <MrLook> and theres way more files
[21:49:02] <MrLook> that have to be on there
[21:49:11] <MrLook> than i have...
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[21:50:27] <ds2> did the beagle list get subscribed to the angstrom help list and the unix beginners list?!
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[21:50:50] <jkridner|work> no reason a kernel module cannot open files, is there?
[21:51:00] <ds2> nope.
[21:51:05] <mru> why do people buy dev boards if they don't know what to do with them?
[21:51:10] <ds2> just a bit tricky to do it from within the module
[21:51:21] <mru> jkridner|work: there are good reasons why it shouldn't
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[21:51:57] <jkridner|work> because it can be altered by a user?
[21:52:12] <mru> what are you trying to do?
[21:52:16] <ds2> easiest trick is to open it in userland, pass it to the kernel via a blocking syscall
[21:52:28] <ds2> then that just becomes a matter of screwing with a struct file *
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[21:53:52] <mru> passing a file descriptor from userspace is one option
[21:54:01] <jkridner|work> k.
[21:54:21] <mru> if the kernel needs to initiate it can call a userspace app to do the dirty work
[21:54:29] <mru> see e.g. the firmware loader
[21:54:57] <ds2> that sounds overly complicated
[21:55:05] <mru> depends on what he's trying to do
[21:55:05] <jkridner|work> i didn't really understand why you'd want to based on the context. some way to communicate information to the kernel that probably should *not* be done that way.
[21:55:12] <ds2> true
[21:55:25] <mru> and he hasn't told us
[21:55:31] <mru> jkridner|work: what are you doing?
[21:55:43] <jkridner|work> avoiding GPL issues.
[21:55:49] <mru> oooh
[21:55:51] <mru> careful
[21:56:08] <jkridner|work> whole idea that caused the question seems flawed to me.
[21:56:39] <jkridner|work> just wanted to see if there was any obvious reason it wasn't possible to open files from the kernel, which I assumed was possible.
[21:56:52] <ds2> just setup a virtualizer... run it in QEMU, then talk to it with TCP/IP :)
[21:57:02] <ds2> avoids the whole GPL issue ;)
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[21:57:25] <mru> that again depends on what the issue is
[21:57:36] <jkridner|work> yeah. I'm still a bit lost regarding virtualizer patents, but I'd also expect that to avoid GPL issues.
[21:57:39] <ds2> or talk to the folks across the pond and use the seket 31337 features taht is in the chip to isolate yourself
[21:58:01] <ds2> the feature that even normal NDA folks can't get to see
[21:58:30] <mru> ds2: the armv7 security stuff?
[21:58:51] <ds2> mru: isn't the mere mention of that combination of words disallowed? ;)
[21:59:15] * jkridner|work wonders if anyone will really try to hack with the secure mode execution on Beagle, creating a secure monitor.
[21:59:25] <mru> that's not possible
[21:59:35] <mru> unless there are bugs in the arm core
[21:59:40] <mru> or the rom code
[21:59:42] <ds2> there are bits missing that the folks across the pond won't speak of
[21:59:49] <mru> but we can't even *read* the rom code...
[22:00:12] <mru> the arm core obviously starts in secure mode
[22:00:21] <ds2> mru: depends on how much effort you want to spend on that
[22:00:25] <mru> the TI boot rom drops it to supervisor mode before running anything else
[22:00:29] <jkridner|work> so why can't it be exited?
[22:00:34] <jkridner|work> ah.
[22:00:45] <mru> the only way back is with an SMC instruction
[22:00:50] <mru> and that jump to the rom code
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[22:01:42] * jkridner|work was thinking that GP devices left it in secure mode.
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[22:01:46] <jkridner|work> it = ROM.
[22:01:47] <mru> it might be possible to trick the rom code into exiting without leaving secure mode
[22:01:57] <mru> if there's a bug
[22:01:59] <ds2> given enough funding, one could decap it and do a layer by layer analysis
[22:02:06] <mru> bleh
[22:02:24] <mru> GP devices drop out of secure mode before leaving rom code
[22:02:29] <mru> that's why they're GP
[22:02:52] <mru> ds2: cheaper to buy a secure device from TI
[22:03:13] <mru> or license the core from arm and build your own chip
[22:03:35] <ds2> licensing means you are legally bound
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[22:03:52] <ds2> decapping and analyzing means you are much freer to do what you want
[22:03:53] <mru> the secure mode documentation is not restricted
[22:04:13] <ds2> are we talking about the same thing or did this also change in ARM7?
[22:04:16] <mru> getting into secure mode on a TI GP device is the hard part
[22:04:30] <mru> ARMv7?
[22:04:39] <ds2> oops, ARMv7
[22:04:52] <ds2> seem to recall it wasn't well documented for the v6
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[22:07:46] <mru> the v7 manual says "The Security Extensions are also permitted as an extension to the ARMv6K architecture."
[22:08:15] <ds2> there are details missing then
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[22:08:33] <mru> missing where?
[22:08:51] <mru> I haven't read the chapter on security extensions
[22:08:56] <mru> since I can't access them anyway
[22:09:00] <ds2> ah
[22:09:31] <ds2> anyways, it would make a nice gpl defeat device
[22:09:44] <mru> how so?
[22:09:57] <mru> people are so confused about the gpl
[22:10:37] <mru> given two works A and B, A being under GPL, there are exactly two options:
[22:10:58] <mru> 1) B is a derivative of A and thus may only be distributed under compatible terms
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[22:11:13] <mru> 2) B is not a derivative of A, and the GPL has no effect on B
[22:11:45] <mru> which of these is true is not affected in any way whatsoever by how A and B are used
[22:11:54] <mru> that's how copyright law works
[22:12:28] <ds2> it physically isolates it enough that for the GPL side, it might as well be hardware
[22:12:46] <ds2> maybe I should rephrase that as a GPL infection defeat device
[22:13:01] <mru> if such an isolation is possible at all, the gpl doesn't apply
[22:13:04] <mru> period
[22:13:20] <ds2> hence it is defeated
[22:13:34] <mru> it's not "defeated", it never applied in the first place
[22:13:57] <mru> it's like saying you defeated the highway code by taking the train
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[22:14:50] <ds2> it is more like I am saying I defeated the highway code by laying tracks in the middle of the highway and running a car ontop of a carrier on the tracks
[22:15:05] <ds2> still a car and a lot of overhead but the hhighway code doesn't apply
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[22:15:42] <mru> the analogy is imperfect
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[22:21:15] <xander85> can i ask a basic compiling question
[22:21:22] <mru> use gcc
[22:21:35] <mru> on a computer
[22:21:37] <xander85> i know im a newbie and i bought the board for a school senior design project and im over my head but need to figure it out
[22:22:03] <mru> well, what seems to be the problem?
[22:22:31] <xander85> Im trying to compile a kernel source: make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=/home/remotevs/CodeSourcery_G++_Lite/bin/arm-none-linux-gnueabi- uImage
[22:22:55] <xander85> however, it says make: /home/remotevs/CodeSourcery_G++_Lite/bin/arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc: Command not found
[22:23:11] <mru> well, does it exist?
[22:23:26] <xander85> it should, I installed G++
[22:23:32] <mru> so look and see
[22:23:41] <xander85> its there
[22:23:43] <mru> type "ls /home/remotevs/CodeSourcery_G++_Lite/bin/arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc"
[22:23:50] <mru> copy and paste the filename
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[22:24:45] <xander85> ahhh i fucked something up in the PATH because now it says Command 'ls' is available in '/bin/ls'
[22:25:07] <mru> that's where it normally is
[22:25:19] <mru> but can ls see your compiler?
[22:28:05] <xander85> no such file or dir, hmm wtf
[22:28:05] <xander85> hang on
[22:28:25] <mru> back up one directory at a time and see where it goes wrong
[22:28:27] <xander85> ok i fixed that now it says make: *** No rule to make target `uImage'. Stop.
[22:28:49] <mru> did you forget ARCH=arm?
[22:29:22] <xander85> im using: make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=/home/remotevs/CodeSourcery/Sourcery_G++_Lite/bin/arm-none-linux-gnueabi- uImage
[22:29:30] <xander85> do i need to do the distclean command first
[22:29:40] <_don_> is the console text color supposed to be blue, or do I have a display issue? Seems like it used to be white. Beagloaboard spash logo / X-Windows are ok colorwise...
[22:30:15] <xander85> let me try this sequence: make CROSS_COMPILE=arm-none-linux-gnueabi- distclean make CROSS_COMPILE=arm-none-linux-gnueabi- omap3_beagle_defconfig make CROSS_COMPILE=arm-none-linux-gnueabi- uImage
[22:30:53] <xander85> im still missing something because I get the same No rule to make target
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[22:35:59] <ds2> make sure you have a valid native compiler
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[22:42:57] <xander85> i got it figured out, just need to reboot to fix the PATH
[22:43:00] <xander85> its compiling now
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