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  • [03:03:02] <guylhem> hi all
  • [03:03:14] <guylhem> any news on digikey revc availability?
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  • [03:30:49] <guylhem> another question - can it manage a DVI screen @ 1600x1050, 60
  • [03:30:59] <guylhem> in 16 or 24 bpp
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  • [03:35:05] <guylhem> has everyone gone to bed?
  • [03:46:53] <kulve> guylhem: to bed? It's 06:35
  • [03:47:01] <kulve> well, 06:46
  • [03:47:18] <kulve> guylhem: afaik, digikey should get new boards tomorrow
  • [03:47:21] <guylhem> in 15 minutes it'll be midnight here :-)
  • [03:47:27] <guylhem> great news !
  • [03:47:33] <kulve> 1600x1050 is probably too much
  • [03:47:56] <guylhem> From what I've read 1280x1024 is the maximum teste
  • [03:48:49] <guylhem> I'm curious about highres because I would like to drive a 22' panel whose native resolution is 1600x1050
  • [03:49:44] <kulve> and I'm getting 1920x1080 full hd television, but the beagle just won't do it ;)
  • [03:50:29] <kulve> but I'm not very familiar how the max resolution goes, so don't take my word on it..
  • [03:52:54] <russ> you'd have to ask tomba
  • [03:53:15] <kulve> guylhem: and by "tomorrow" I meant tuesday as it's monday morning here.. I think I read from the mailing list that they get 200 boards but I don't know how many they have already waiting
  • [03:53:48] <guylhem> mm...
  • [03:54:05] <guylhem> I'll place an order then and hopefully receive it before june
  • [03:54:30] <kulve> guylhem: They are getting new shipments before that so I'm sure you'll get it before june :)
  • [03:54:45] <guylhem> regarding video res, from what I understand it could be configured in the boot args and /etc/fb.modes
  • [03:55:04] <kulve> I set it in the bootargs
  • [03:55:17] <guylhem> (at least even if it isn't this week it won't be too long then)
  • [03:55:25] <kulve> I've tested 640x480, 800x600 and 1024x768, and some of those with both 16bit and 24bit
  • [03:55:40] <guylhem> did you try over 1025 ?
  • [03:55:51] <guylhem> s/1025/1024 (!)
  • [03:55:52] <kulve> nope
  • [03:56:04] <russ> the frame buffer memory defaults to 4mb
  • [03:56:12] <russ> you'd need to bump that up to 8
  • [03:56:22] <guylhem> I guess I'll have to cross my fingers. hopefully it could be changed
  • [03:56:41] <russ> also you'd need to get all the timings right
  • [03:57:02] <guylhem> my panel is 60Hz
  • [03:57:14] <russ> timings are much more complicated than that
  • [03:58:03] <guylhem> In the good old xf86config time you took the display manual and a calculator to figure the modelines
  • [03:58:37] <russ> you can find timing data for 1080p online pretty easily
  • [04:00:11] <ds> is there any way to turn off alignment checking in the CP15 control register from user space?
  • [04:00:28] <guylhem> but hopefully it's only a matter of reserving more fb memory and calculating the timing data - nothing impossible
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  • [04:00:45] <russ> some /proc/alignment thing
  • [04:00:57] <ds> that's just for what to do with traps
  • [04:01:11] <russ> see Documentation/arm/mem_alignment
  • [04:01:12] <ds> I want to turn the traps off
  • [04:01:51] <russ> why?
  • [04:02:53] <ds> because the processor can handle unaligned access by itself
  • [04:03:28] <russ> are you sure its generating a fault?
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  • [04:05:19] <ds> i am inferring that from the fact that the kernel is counting them, even though it says "ignored"
  • [04:07:02] <russ> in /proc/interrupts?
  • [04:07:37] <ds> in /proc/cpu/alignment
  • [04:07:57] <russ> maybe they are cpu counters
  • [04:08:03] <ds> i thought of that
  • [04:08:13] <ds> anyway, the answer is "use the source"
  • [04:08:21] <russ> they'd show up in /proc/interrupts if they were actually trapping, right?
  • [04:08:37] <ds> after using that advice, I found the answer since we've been talking
  • [04:08:52] <ds> "noalign" command line parameter
  • [04:09:17] <ds> not all traps are interrupts
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  • [04:37:52] <napster> test
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  • [05:12:39] <jkridner|work> hello all. all settled in for ESC. anyone else out here in the Bay area?
  • [05:13:16] <_AV500_> nope :-)
  • [05:13:59] <ds> always
  • [05:18:43] <dioioib> with the new revision C board is hooking up an LCD as easy as finding the pin out for the screen and matching it to the header on the board? or do you need extra logic etc?
  • [05:20:03] <jkridner|work> need to handle the level shifting and writing the driver too.
  • [05:20:51] <ds2> so it is a thumbs up at ESC?
  • [05:21:39] <ds2> dioioib: yes, it is
  • [05:21:53] <ds2> the driver writing is pretty trivial (look up datasheet and plug in correct values)
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  • [05:30:22] <geckosenator> the driver is already written
  • [05:30:58] <jkridner|work> needs to tweak settings.
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  • [05:47:53] <guylhem> how do you do the level shifting easily ?
  • [05:49:51] <_AV500_> buy TI level shifters :-)
  • [05:51:18] <russ> by overloading << and >> in hardware?
  • [05:57:05] <_AV500_> e.g. http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/sn74lvch16t245-ep.html
  • [05:57:14] <_AV500_> jkridner|work: I get a commision?
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  • [05:59:41] <guylhem> would you have the name (or p/n) for a connector from the .05 pitch to a standard .1 pitch ?
  • [05:59:49] <guylhem> at digikey ?
  • [06:00:02] <_AV500_> fpc?
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  • [06:04:09] <guylhem> (regarding the ti level shifter, it'd be great but tssop is a bit too small)
  • [06:05:23] <AV500> guylhem: yes, but that's the size of these things today
  • [06:05:39] <AV500> 5y ago, it would be larger, but then nobody did 1.8V...
  • [06:05:39] <guylhem> :-/
  • [06:05:53] <guylhem> I'll use stripping wire and cross my fingers
  • [06:06:26] <AV500> or wait until somebody makes a level shifting BB add-on
  • [06:08:46] <guylhem> I have 5 lcd panels willing to risk their lives :-)
  • [06:09:25] <guylhem> A shifter, a fpc cable from .05 to .1 and we'll see..
  • [06:10:40] <AV500> well, I doubt they will be in danger, but I guess they will have a hard time to see your 1.8 signals correctly
  • [06:12:34] <guylhem> Of course, I just mean I want to experiment on the software side, yet I don't get it all on the hw side. Currently browsing digikey website at 2 am still not sure I got what I need :-/
  • [06:13:43] <guylhem> I am trying to find a term connector for a .1 pin header (to hook loose wires into the ext pins)
  • [06:16:03] <jkridner|work> AV500: you can get 50% of my commission. :)
  • [06:16:14] <jkridner|work> or even 100%. ;)
  • [06:16:27] <AV500> 150%?
  • [06:16:39] <jkridner|work> sure, why not!
  • [06:16:43] <AV500> deal
  • [06:17:48] <jkridner|work> slides for tomorrow: http://beagleboard.org/esc/
  • [06:18:44] <AV500> BB with OOfice and a pico?
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  • [06:22:17] <philv> jkridner|work: hey, small nitpick on your slides -- it's "superscalar" not "superscaler" ;-)
  • [06:22:21] <philv> (slide 3)
  • [06:22:30] <jkridner|work> thanks!
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  • [06:25:31] <philv> Actually, silly question, but does anybody know who at TI I would contact for PowerVR SGX documentation for the OMAP 3530
  • [06:25:51] <philv> A register set and shader machine code spec would be nice, heh.
  • [06:30:03] <jkridner|work> philv: sorry, my understanding is that Imagination hasn't given us rights to release the register set. :(
  • [06:30:16] <jkridner|work> what is possible is licensing the device driver kit.
  • [06:30:26] <jkridner|work> my understanding is that it is around $250k.
  • [06:31:28] <philv> Hrmn, bugger.
  • [06:31:35] <philv> Just a hair out of my price range. ;-)
  • [06:32:22] <AV500> philv: maybe you can pool it :-)
  • [06:32:31] <jkridner|work> yeah, $10k less and I'd license it myself. :)
  • [06:32:32] * AV500 adds 1$
  • [06:32:45] <philv> ehe
  • [06:33:01] <AV500> jkridner|work: does it have a 10d no Q asked return policy?
  • [06:33:05] <calculus> wow, beagle actually stands for something ;)
  • [06:39:49] <ds2> wheee finally got a kernel that runs in 4M
  • [06:40:06] <ds2> less then 24hours to go
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  • [06:44:35] <calculus> slide 43: what directory would you start in, ~/u-boot-omap3 (from the previous slide)
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  • [06:49:04] <recalcati> morning
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  • [06:54:33] <jkridner|work> calculus: that would be the right directory.
  • [06:59:14] <recalcati> jkridner|work: any idea about stable internet browser ? firefox, no , too slow, midori and epiphany I think are not stable at this moment with youtube,ajax,pdf,doc
  • [06:59:59] <fenn> calculus: beagle stands for what?
  • [07:00:18] <fenn> recalcati: dillo would work great, if you dont mind no CSS or javascript..
  • [07:00:43] <fenn> actually i think there is partial CSS in the development version
  • [07:01:42] <calculus> slide 127: panelization vs slide 138: panalization (e vs a)
  • [07:01:49] <recalcati> fenn: plugin for youtube?
  • [07:02:34] <calculus> fenn: slide 3 of jason's slides, http://beagleboard.org/esc/
  • [07:03:27] <AV500> recalcati: you realize that a youtube plugin is somewhat unrelated to the browser
  • [07:03:45] <fenn> calculus: i'd rather not try to look at a ppt
  • [07:03:58] <AV500> a "working" flash plugin should work in any NPAPI based browser, like it does on X86 for FF/webkit/opera
  • [07:04:35] <ds2> is angstrom-distribution.org AFU for anyone else?
  • [07:05:08] <fenn> i doubt dillo supports netscape plugins
  • [07:05:22] <calculus> B: bring your own peripherals, E:entry-level cost, a:arm, g:graphics and dsp l:linux and open source community, e:environment for innovators
  • [07:05:23] <AV500> so, it does not support plugins at all :-)
  • [07:05:24] <recalcati> AV500: yes, but for example midori open a big image with a the 'play' > logo and than it remains white
  • [07:05:36] <fenn> hahahaha
  • [07:05:38] <AV500> recalcati: using what plugin?
  • [07:05:53] <fenn> calculus: reminds me of kindergarten poetry
  • [07:06:01] <recalcati> gnash 0.8.5
  • [07:06:13] <AV500> and this gnash works in FF on BB?
  • [07:06:22] <recalcati> oe commit 768fe337b086a509a1381f9b1000faf1e99689cd
  • [07:06:34] <AV500> or at least standalone?
  • [07:06:49] <recalcati> AV500: sure, I've to try http://wiki.gnashdev.org/YouTube
  • [07:07:28] <recalcati> in half an hour I'll be able to try.
  • [07:08:06] <AV500> recalcati: integrating flash into a browser is not a trival task (and contrary to what I just said, there are plugin/browse interdependencies)
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  • [07:08:26] <recalcati> My biggest to problem is to find the right way and then debug it, how do you debug user space program? by tracing log or by gdbserver?
  • [07:08:33] <AV500> printf?
  • [07:09:04] <AV500> for the flash thing, there is the support for flash itself, then the browser integration
  • [07:09:09] <recalcati> for example webkit surely will have some debugging stuff
  • [07:09:31] <methril|work> good morning
  • [07:09:38] <AV500> verifying that the actual content is played OK standalone can help a lot with the browser integration
  • [07:10:01] <AV500> recalcati: yes, but does gnash connect to webkit debug stuff?
  • [07:10:18] <AV500> I guess it is able to output debugs on stdout/err
  • [07:10:53] <recalcati> I don't know, I'm searching info about midori and epiphany and its plugin, but I think I have to go deeper in knowledge of them
  • [07:11:56] <recalcati> By now, I think that palm, nokia and other big company can put a browser on omap, I'm not sure if community can do it.
  • [07:12:22] <AV500> u are aware that most "browsers" out there do not play much flash?
  • [07:12:30] <recalcati> Also I'm not sure if qt browser can be used as real browser, I think it is only a demo
  • [07:12:30] <AV500> xcept for the N810
  • [07:13:01] <recalcati> n810 use qt browser ?
  • [07:13:02] <AV500> recalcati: a browser is a render engine + UI, webkit as a render engine is quite OK (iphone/G1)
  • [07:13:18] <AV500> recalcati: N810 does flash9
  • [07:13:36] <recalcati> flash9 opensource ?
  • [07:13:42] <AV500> harhar
  • [07:14:29] <AV500> btw, http://wiki.gnashdev.org/YouTube listsa CPU usage of 30-60%, I guess this is for desktop X86, so it might well be >100% on BB
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  • [07:17:54] <recalcati> AV500: horrible
  • [07:18:21] <AV500> recalcati: yep
  • [07:18:27] <recalcati> AV500: i try in an hour and post the result
  • [07:18:35] <fenn> for watching youtube on low performance computers i use youtube-dl.py and pipe the output to mplayer
  • [07:18:49] <recalcati> iphone can do it
  • [07:19:00] <AV500> recalcati: iphone does what fenn suggested
  • [07:19:03] <AV500> it does not use flash
  • [07:19:15] <AV500> it uses the youtube api to get a dl link to the actual video file
  • [07:19:52] <fenn> so you can't seek on an iphone?
  • [07:20:00] <fenn> skip through the video i mean
  • [07:20:04] <AV500> fenn: of course you can, why not?
  • [07:20:13] <fenn> because you'd have to download the whole thing first
  • [07:20:16] <AV500> why?
  • [07:20:24] <fenn> um. i dunno
  • [07:20:57] <AV500> :-)
  • [07:21:13] <methril|work> AV500: ping
  • [07:21:19] <AV500> pong
  • [07:21:26] <fenn> i need to dilute these co-co-krunchies with regular rice krispies.. must be getting old
  • [07:21:38] <methril|work> AV500: do you have any news about my cv?
  • [07:21:43] <recalcati> I think our cpu has "bogomips" similar to iphone
  • [07:23:33] <AV500> recalcati: yes, the BB is way faster than the iphone
  • [07:23:54] <AV500> but flash is a beast(tm)
  • [07:25:03] <zuh> koen (and to anyone else who might be interested): I guess this was somewhat overdue, but here it is: http://cgit.pingu.fi/xf86-video-omapfb/tag/?id=0.1
  • [07:26:29] <recalcati> Today, if I should tell a definitive idea of browsing capabilities of omap3 I should say .. "in development" in webkit direction
  • [07:26:29] <kulve> zuh: \o/ :)
  • [07:27:05] <kulve> zuh: uhm, the includes for stdint.h..
  • [07:28:53] <zuh> crap
  • [07:29:01] <kulve> time for 0.2 release? ;)
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  • [07:29:53] <kulve> I have the commit for that but I guess I never pushed it anywhere then..
  • [07:30:26] <kulve> ah, now I remember. I don't have push access there..
  • [07:32:00] <mpoullet|work> good morning
  • [07:32:00] <zuh> http://cgit.pingu.fi/xf86-video-omapfb/tag/?id=0.1.1
  • [07:32:14] <AV500> recalcati: I guess tit hinges on your definition on "browsing"
  • [07:32:19] <AV500> recalcati: I guess it hinges on your definition on "browsing"
  • [07:32:33] <AV500> asking for full flash support might be a bit much atm
  • [07:33:03] <kulve> zuh: :)
  • [07:33:12] <zuh> AV500: Nice slip, totally Freudian ;)
  • [07:33:33] <AV500> well, whatever people use yuotube for :-)
  • [07:39:38] <recalcati> AV500: first gnah 0.8.5 tests: testsuite/samples/subshapes.swf OK , samples/clip_as_button2.swf OK, testsuite/movies.all/gravity.swf begins than tha ball disappears, I'm trying to undersand the logs.
  • [07:40:03] <recalcati> AV500: youtube is what the people use, not worry why
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  • [07:57:00] <likewise> gm
  • [07:58:43] <koen> good morning all
  • [07:58:47] * koen stabs DST again
  • [08:00:07] <mpoullet|work> koen: what does DST mean?
  • [08:00:36] <raster> bah
  • [08:00:41] <raster> crazy shit
  • [08:00:46] <raster> just had a 3hr blackout
  • [08:00:50] <raster> that like... NEVER happens
  • [08:01:03] <raster> first time i've experienced a blackout in sydney in maybe 10 years.
  • [08:01:59] <likewise> mpoullet|work: DST is something with light, money and time
  • [08:03:06] <mpoullet|work> ok, Daylight Saving Time :)...
  • [08:05:11] <recalcati> morning koen
  • [08:13:55] <ds2> a late earth hour? ;)
  • [08:17:47] <raster> dst should be shot and ground into pulp and fed to the kittens
  • [08:17:55] <ds2> dst?
  • [08:18:07] <raster> daylight savings time
  • [08:18:09] <fenn> TAI 4 evarrr
  • [08:18:45] <fenn> (that's atomic time, for you circadians)
  • [08:18:46] <ds2> oh that
  • [08:19:28] <ds2> did it just begin for you?
  • [08:23:56] <raster> ds2: no.. next week
  • [08:24:08] <raster> but every year or 2 the govt votes for changing it to some new date
  • [08:24:11] <raster> so its different every year
  • [08:24:16] <raster> and that is just stupid
  • [08:24:40] <ds2> oh
  • [08:24:50] <ds2> they did that here two years ago
  • [08:25:21] <raster> yeah - i know
  • [08:25:26] <raster> but the us does it rarely
  • [08:25:32] <raster> .au does it all the bloody time
  • [08:25:39] <raster> its just annoying
  • [08:25:52] <raster> cant we just be civilized and get rid of dst?
  • [08:26:04] <raster> not go change our clocks around all the time?
  • [08:30:46] <ds2> why can't we be realize civilize and just GMT
  • [08:31:08] <ds2> makes navigation all that much more obvious
  • [08:34:12] <geckosenator> I don't care about time
  • [08:34:24] <geckosenator> I just want it to be linear but it can be discontiguous
  • [08:34:42] <ds2> i prefer it to be monotonic more then anything else
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  • [08:37:17] <raster> ds2: i'd go with everyone using gmt
  • [08:37:25] <raster> "when does work start?"
  • [08:37:40] <raster> "23:00"
  • [08:38:50] <ds2> i actually had work start at 2300 local time before so, that is not at all odd for me
  • [08:39:44] <raster> hehehe
  • [08:43:27] <russ> hooray for no DST in Arizona
  • [08:43:51] <raster> japan too
  • [08:43:58] <ds2> Indiana
  • [08:44:03] <russ> caus it doesn't need to be above 100F past 1am
  • [08:44:22] <ds2> 100F aint that hot
  • [08:44:42] <geckosenator> maybe I could evolve to adapt to the heat
  • [08:45:06] <ds2> camp out in deathvalley in July
  • [08:45:23] <russ> deathvalley doesn't hold the heat in at night very well
  • [08:45:35] <geckosenator> I need an oven
  • [08:45:36] <geckosenator> for testing
  • [08:45:51] <russ> geckosenator: just hang out in your car in the sun with the windows rolled up
  • [08:45:51] <geckosenator> that way the temperature can be controlled with a microprocessor
  • [08:45:57] <geckosenator> don't have a car
  • [08:45:58] <ds2> tell that to my thermometer recording 100F+ at 1AM
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  • [08:46:03] <hrw> morning
  • [08:46:26] <geckosenator> russ: it needs to be scientific.. not only does the oven control temperature, it measures energy
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  • [08:47:00] <geckosenator> so it can calculate how many calories you burn
  • [08:47:15] <geckosenator> then the computer program decides what to feed you and how much you drink
  • [08:48:08] <russ> geckosenator: how about you work on a computerized version of operation instead
  • [08:48:17] <russ> geckosenator: point a camera at the screen
  • [08:48:24] <geckosenator> you mean simulate everything?
  • [08:48:36] <russ> geckosenator: have the user put their hands in front of the screen to grasp things on the screen
  • [08:48:40] <geckosenator> that's too hard I need an actual human in the loop
  • [08:48:44] <russ> if they touch the sides, the whole laptop buzzes
  • [08:49:11] <geckosenator> it electrocutes them?
  • [08:49:18] <geckosenator> that's fine we can have that too
  • [08:49:25] <russ> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_(game)
  • [08:51:08] <geckosenator> I'm writing a superoptimizer
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  • [08:51:41] <geckosenator> with infinite memory and infinit computing power it converts an assembly program to be perfectly optimal
  • [08:52:05] <russ> are you solving the halting problem too?
  • [08:52:25] <geckosenator> well I guess no
  • [08:52:38] <geckosenator> because the superoptimizer wouldn't halt
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  • [08:52:55] <russ> what happens when you superoptimize code that never halts?
  • [08:52:57] <geckosenator> but realistically it has a cutoff because of time/memory and it tries other small pieces of the program
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  • [08:53:19] <geckosenator> it can only realistically optimize a few instructions.. like convert 5 instructions to 4
  • [08:53:27] <geckosenator> and there are a ton of those gcc doesn't pick up
  • [08:53:38] <geckosenator> the other cases it has to give up on
  • [08:54:01] <geckosenator> it should be able to eliminate small loops though
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  • [09:02:44] <mru> so you're planning on post-processing the output from gcc?
  • [09:05:48] <geckosenator> yeah
  • [09:05:52] <geckosenator> even hand written assembly
  • [09:06:14] <koen> quote of the day: "fennec would be so much faster without the alignment errors in tight loops"
  • [09:06:27] <ldesnogu> geckosenator: how do you measure the performance of your sequences of code?
  • [09:06:50] <ldesnogu> that'd be very tricky even using performance counters
  • [09:06:50] <geckosenator> ldesnogu: it's for avr architecture, so you can calculate performance
  • [09:06:56] <ldesnogu> oh ok :-)
  • [09:07:13] <geckosenator> otherwise it would be trickier
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  • [09:08:00] * fenn is starting to wish they had named it something else
  • [09:08:00] <ZeZu> hmm digikey expected ship date is 3months away ....
  • [09:08:45] <fenn> zezu supposedly they will be getting small batches in regularly before then
  • [09:09:01] <ldesnogu> geckosenator: are you aware of Granlund's superopt?
  • [09:09:16] <geckosenator> ldesnogu: no
  • [09:09:20] <ZeZu> ah
  • [09:09:29] <ZeZu> well one can hope so
  • [09:09:34] <ldesnogu> geckosenator: it's old but might be useful for you
  • [09:09:36] <fenn> ZeZu: should be a shipment in tomorrow (tuesday)
  • [09:09:52] <fenn> but only 200 so i bet it will sell out quick
  • [09:10:10] <ZeZu> i suppose i should order now then
  • [09:10:26] <ZeZu> price didn't even go up
  • [09:11:22] <fenn> ds2: indiana recently switched to DST
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  • [09:13:24] <kulve> 200 boards this tuesday and 200 on the next
  • [09:14:16] <hrw> small amounts
  • [09:14:17] <ZeZu> who is in indiana?
  • [09:14:43] <kulve> hrw: I think Gerald meantioned that there will be 7000 c2 boards in total
  • [09:14:49] <fenn> zezu: well, i was, until a month ago
  • [09:15:01] <ZeZu> ah
  • [09:15:14] <hrw> kulve: good to know. I first have to finish case for my b7
  • [09:15:44] <kulve> the cases may not work for c2 because of the new connectors..
  • [09:15:55] <ZeZu> i'm right in indiana beach territory atm
  • [09:15:59] <russ> kulve: the dvi connector won't line up
  • [09:16:13] <ZeZu> anyhow off to bed i go
  • [09:17:01] <hrw> kulve: my case is made from 1.5??? lunchbox so no problem with making another one D:
  • [09:17:10] <kulve> :)
  • [09:17:11] <recalcati> koen: the problem is that people expect PC like performance. and these are not possible to be reached, by now
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  • [09:19:05] <ZeZu> the biggest performance bottleneck is probably storage for general useage ...
  • [09:20:11] <kulve> 8GB microSDHC 16.90EUR
  • [09:20:19] <ZeZu> from my testing it can hold up decently in processing, as long as one understands its not a core2 ... there is no way you can expect it to transcode video on the fly or anything dumb .. and its floating point operations are limited unforunately
  • [09:20:24] <hrw> 16GB SD is even cheaper
  • [09:20:40] <ZeZu> speedwise
  • [09:20:41] <kulve> the minilaptop I have has 4GB SSD
  • [09:20:42] <russ> you need to make sure its class 6
  • [09:20:52] <fenn> usb to sata/IDE converter is only $20
  • [09:20:56] <kulve> and the microsd is probably even faster than that SSD..
  • [09:21:03] <geckosen1tor> you can use an external usb harddrive
  • [09:21:19] <ZeZu> really? what kindof random write speed does a SD card have?
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  • [09:21:42] <kulve> 6MB/s is quarenteed with a class 6 card
  • [09:21:43] <ZeZu> yes, i was going to mention one could use a hard drive still, but most probably do not
  • [09:22:01] <kulve> ofc, that's far for a decent SSD
  • [09:22:09] <kulve> from
  • [09:22:19] <russ> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital_card#SD_Speed_Class_Ratings
  • [09:22:36] <fenn> i am thinking about schlepping around a hard drive.. still not sure if it'll be practical or not
  • [09:23:12] <koen> ZeZu: you could leverage the DSP for transcoding video, but yeah, it still wouldn't be a core2
  • [09:23:13] <russ> fenn: do you have a c2?
  • [09:23:16] <fenn> the "green" drives put out so little heat they can be sealed in a watertight case
  • [09:23:16] <ZeZu> and the speed ratings on the ram i know nothing about, its similar to older pc-100 or so ?
  • [09:23:25] <fenn> russ: no i'm going to buy one as soon as they're available
  • [09:23:44] <russ> ah, because the otg port isn't really fast or reliable in host mode
  • [09:23:51] <ZeZu> koen, yes that is very true but was definitely just a comparison point
  • [09:24:00] <fenn> russ: why is that?
  • [09:24:12] <russ> documentation is under NDA
  • [09:24:17] <fenn> poo
  • [09:24:25] <russ> so it could be software bugs, it could be silicon bugs, etc
  • [09:24:42] <russ> thats my understanding
  • [09:24:50] <russ> but the EHCI port should be fine
  • [09:24:52] <mru> koen: what kind of alignment errors in fennec?
  • [09:24:57] <AV500> russ: at least for MSC/MTP it works quite OK
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  • [09:25:08] <russ> what is MSC/MTP?
  • [09:25:22] <AV500> usb mass storage class
  • [09:25:25] <fenn> russ: there is only one physical port though right? you just mean it doesn't work so well in OTG mode?
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  • [09:25:42] <russ> ah, for my bluetooth dongle, it dies after a few dozen MB, or on random boots
  • [09:25:53] <russ> fenn: there are two ports on the C2 board
  • [09:26:06] <fenn> oh, sweet
  • [09:26:14] <mru> one otg and one ehci
  • [09:26:14] <AV500> russ: yes, but I doubt this is due to bad HW
  • [09:26:28] <AV500> the musb is on Davinci for quite some time
  • [09:26:37] <russ> AV500: until the driver is completely debugged, who can say for sure?
  • [09:26:56] <AV500> russ: as I said, using it for mass storage it can be pretty stable
  • [09:27:14] <russ> so then its good for bulk
  • [09:27:27] <AV500> might be
  • [09:28:00] <recalcati> koen: the embryo last feed from angstrom unstable is not present
  • [09:29:25] <koen> recalcati: ?
  • [09:29:51] <recalcati> now I have not here the version
  • [09:30:02] <koen> mru: I didn't ask, and it was on armv5te with fixup enabled
  • [09:30:04] <recalcati> I get it in one minute
  • [09:30:14] <koen> recalcati: I don't understand what you mean with "not present"
  • [09:30:18] <koen> what is not present
  • [09:30:20] <mru> koen: ah, armv5
  • [09:30:23] <koen> and where isn't it present
  • [09:31:05] <mru> koen: ask ldesnogu for his opinion on alignment fixups
  • [09:31:22] <recalcati> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/sources/embryo_svn.enlightenment.org_.svn.e.trunk_39786_.tar.gz not found
  • [09:32:12] <recalcati> messages: http://pastebin.com/d267bdfb4
  • [09:33:03] <ldesnogu> koen: alignment fixups should be killed and lazy programmers (read stupid x86 crowd who thinks the world is owned by x86) should be spanked
  • [09:33:26] <recalcati> so I have download e with svn , update it to 39786 revision, but I don't know how to point to it
  • [09:35:52] <mru> ldesnogu: I wish there was way to make gcc use ldr/str on unaligned pointers but avoid ldrd and ldm
  • [09:35:55] <recalcati> ldesnogu: I don't think this, I'm doing the opposite. But the PC world is really owned by X86, maybe in a couple of years it should be different. I hope.
  • [09:36:14] <mru> pc world != world
  • [09:36:33] <ldesnogu> pc world is a minority of running processors
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  • [09:37:10] <ldesnogu> mru: that'd mean you know alignment statically which is not always the case
  • [09:37:11] <mru> arm has a huge share of total processors
  • [09:37:28] <ldesnogu> indeed, ARM sold 4 billion processors in 2008
  • [09:37:33] <mru> ldesnogu: I have a specific case where I know a pointer *might* be unaligned
  • [09:37:41] <ldesnogu> I should say ARM customers sold 4B :)
  • [09:38:07] <ldesnogu> mru: doesn't gcc support some unaligned attribute?
  • [09:38:18] <mru> yes, but then it uses byte-accesses
  • [09:38:24] <ldesnogu> :/
  • [09:38:29] <mru> even on v6 and v7
  • [09:40:12] <ldesnogu> hum IIRC unaligned accesses on v6 and v7 require some support from the system
  • [09:40:18] <mru> not at all
  • [09:40:29] <mru> just don't set the flag to trap them
  • [09:40:54] <ldesnogu> that's what I call system support :)
  • [09:41:04] <ldesnogu> I didn't mean support through abort handler
  • [09:41:07] <mru> I don't call not doing something "support"
  • [09:41:20] <mru> reset value is off on c-a8 at least
  • [09:41:30] <ldesnogu> you need sctlr.a set to 0 for unaligned access to be supported
  • [09:42:50] <mru> yes, and that should the reset value iirc
  • [09:43:09] <mru> or if not, it's trivial to do
  • [09:43:13] <mru> and the manual says you should
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  • [09:46:27] <koen> recalcati: I think I explained that before to you: it's a source mirror, which can be used as a fallback when upstream disappears. It is not meant to mirror everything, and since it's a fallback OE will fetch from upstream svn
  • [09:47:22] <recalcati> koen: ok, I'll try to solve the svn lock, the seems to be present
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  • [09:50:24] <ldesnogu> mru: you're right the reset A flag value is architecturally defined as 0
  • [09:51:10] <koen> ldesnogu: fennec is mozilla-ware, they took approx 3 years to apply patches that fixed (hard)fpa hardcoding
  • [09:51:30] <mru> gaaaah, mixed endian
  • [09:51:40] <hrw> koen: and they finally fixed them?
  • [09:52:01] <hrw> I remember fighting with mozilla sources to get minimo built
  • [09:52:05] <mru> we (work) have had patches for that since ages
  • [09:52:13] <koen> ldesnogu: and over a year to figure out that running a a 16 bit display is slow when the 24->16 dither step hits a slowpath
  • [09:52:38] * mru still wants to shoot whoever thought it was a good idea to include javascript in an stb
  • [09:52:45] <koen> ldesnogu: so combine 1 and 1 and you'll deduce that the 'mobile' crew didn't actually test on arm hardware
  • [09:53:10] <koen> ldesnogu: quite like codesourcery, in that regard
  • [09:53:27] <mru> qemu doesn't trap alignment faults
  • [09:53:41] <ldesnogu> qemu user no
  • [09:53:43] <mru> would be horribly slow if it did
  • [09:53:48] <ldesnogu> for qemu-system it perhaps does
  • [09:53:54] <ldesnogu> never looked at it
  • [09:54:00] <mru> I doubt it
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  • [09:54:17] <ldesnogu> koen: please don't mix CSL gcc issues with mozilla :)
  • [09:54:25] <mru> qemu is fine for running apps made for hardware you don't have
  • [09:54:37] <mru> it's not meant to be a testing platform
  • [09:54:48] <ldesnogu> certainly not
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  • [09:55:24] <hrw> ldesnogu: sometimes it looks like 'mobile' == onecore laptop (instead of 8way desktop) for teams like mozilla
  • [09:55:51] <ldesnogu> :)
  • [09:56:06] <AV500> mobile = atom CPU :-)
  • [09:56:21] <ldesnogu> AV500: don't use profanity please
  • [09:56:23] <mru> mobile means they were thinking about it on a plane
  • [09:57:13] <AV500> they did the THINKING on the plane, because their mobile HW was not alloced inside the cabin I guess
  • [09:57:19] <AV500> allowed..
  • [09:57:35] <ldesnogu> this remains me of this old joke about the fastest computer in the known universe ; it's the one in Pioneer 11
  • [09:57:42] <ldesnogu> reminds*
  • [09:58:04] <mru> http://www.jasonselectronics.com/ebay/10.jpg
  • [09:58:34] <AV500> they have that small laptops over at mozilla.org?
  • [09:58:39] <mru> ldesnogu: that's the fastest known computer in the universe
  • [09:58:50] <mru> there *could* be a faster one somewhere in the known universe
  • [09:58:59] <mru> but since it's not running mozilla, it's too small to see
  • [09:59:02] <ldesnogu> mru: yeah NSA has one, for sure
  • [09:59:21] <ldesnogu> but I can't talk about that, there surely are CIA guys around me
  • [10:00:25] <AV500> wouldn't a BB inside a fast orbiting satellite around earth be a tad faster due to the time stretch thingy?
  • [10:00:51] <AV500> or slower?
  • [10:00:56] <AV500> damn
  • [10:01:16] <mru> whose point of view?
  • [10:01:28] <AV500> damn
  • [10:02:54] <AV500> I guess it's the other way round, you have to leave for a space trip while firefox renders the web page back on earth
  • [10:03:04] <AV500> then you come back and it's done :-)
  • [10:03:26] <mru> and your friend are all long since dead
  • [10:03:43] <fenn> just put your computer on the surface of a neutron star
  • [10:04:03] <mru> wouldn't time slow down there?
  • [10:04:25] <fenn> not particularly, but you can construct it out of ultra dense matter and use nuclear circuitry that goes a zillion times faster than electronics
  • [10:04:32] <mru> been a while since that modern physics class
  • [10:04:48] <AV500> mru: I'm sure slashdot would still be up
  • [10:05:10] <mru> AV500: scary thought
  • [10:06:17] <koen> AV500: hopefully they have a quantum computer to detect dupes by then
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  • [10:15:13] <Guest63897> Can anyone confirm that DSS2 is in the main trunk of Angstrom? I pulled down a kernel that is used by one of the DSS2 experts (http://www.bat.org/~tomba/git/linux-omap-dss.git) and its drivers/video area looks quite a bit different for omap.
  • [10:15:43] <mru> that's the official dss2 source
  • [10:15:50] <recalcati> Guest63897: I think so
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  • [10:17:58] <recalcati> the only pb I have is that, with linux-omap -2.6.28 and putting in bootargs omapfb.video_mode=1280x720MR-24@60 I have not correct settings, ony 64MB of pixel clock.
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  • [10:20:13] <recalcati> only 64Mhz of pixel clock , sorry
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  • [10:26:44] <florian> good morning
  • [10:28:52] <mru> morning florian
  • [10:34:56] <koen> hey florian
  • [10:35:37] <koen> Guest63897: yes, DSS2 is in the angstrom kernels by default, but keep in mind that DSS2 is changing quite a bit, so there's no guarantee that the *latest* dss2 will be in the angstrom kernels
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  • [10:39:58] <hrw> hmm.. I am looking on how to put bb and usbhub in one case and looks like c2 has better pcb layout for that ;(
  • [10:41:40] <Guest63897> koen: Thanks
  • [10:42:33] <florian> Hrm... Jim Malina isn't at TI any more?!
  • [10:45:42] <koen> florian: I guess so, his email address bounced a while ago
  • [10:46:34] <florian> koen: I just noticed the same... jkridner|work might know.
  • [10:47:04] <koen> he's in SF for ESC, so he won;t wake up for a while
  • [10:47:41] <koen> 03:46 there
  • [10:51:27] <florian> :-)
  • [10:51:35] <florian> Time to go to bed there ;)
  • [10:53:21] * koen is waiting for gumstix to announce their lcd board: http://www.sakoman.net/omap3/lcd.jpg
  • [10:53:32] <raster> buy buy buy!
  • [10:53:44] <raster> i'd like one too
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  • [10:57:12] <koen> raster: have you thought about using the ISP resizer to scale stuff for you?
  • [10:57:25] <koen> raster: (although I have no idea if it handles rgb)
  • [10:58:12] <AV500> koen: nope, no rgb :-(
  • [10:58:18] <raster> koen: nup... as i dont know anything about the isp...
  • [10:58:30] <AV500> it does yuv or monochrom
  • [10:58:43] <AV500> so, keep all you Rs, Gs and Bs separately :-)
  • [10:58:44] <koen> AV500: I see
  • [10:58:56] <raster> at this srtage the 2 best things around to scale rgb are (that i know)
  • [10:58:59] <raster> 1. sgx
  • [10:59:01] <hrw> ~curse ecore again
  • [10:59:01] <raster> 2. neon
  • [10:59:21] * raster hugs ecore
  • [10:59:21] <hrw> raster: can you add --disable-sdl into ecore?
  • [11:00:04] <raster> oooh
  • [11:00:07] <raster> it doesnt have one
  • [11:00:08] <raster> wow
  • [11:00:51] * koen fixed ecore packaging this morning
  • [11:01:04] <raster> koen: ecore-input?
  • [11:01:07] <hrw> koen: and it is still unbuildable
  • [11:01:26] * hrw tries 39786 now
  • [11:01:55] <koen> raster: yes
  • [11:02:08] <raster> aaah
  • [11:02:11] <koen> hrw: it built for me and didn't generate ecore-sdl
  • [11:02:12] <raster> already fixed that locally
  • [11:02:12] <raster> :)
  • [11:02:20] <recalcati> hrw: I'm having svn lock problem
  • [11:02:28] <recalcati> of embryo
  • [11:03:11] <raster> recalcati: try again
  • [11:03:20] <raster> no lock problems here
  • [11:04:48] <recalcati> here yes, I don't know where it download with svn
  • [11:05:14] <raster> wait
  • [11:05:19] <raster> rsync probably caught a lock
  • [11:05:36] <raster> it rsyncs every 15 mins
  • [11:05:54] <raster> oh wait no
  • [11:05:56] <raster> we dont
  • [11:06:02] <raster> we run anaon from dev directly
  • [11:06:05] <raster> so it should be gone
  • [11:06:08] <raster> its gone here
  • [11:06:14] <raster> svn updated without problem
  • [11:06:27] <recalcati> bitbake -c rebuild embryo
  • [11:06:28] <recalcati> no
  • [11:06:41] <florian> Anone an idea if some company sells BB cases in Europe?
  • [11:06:42] <recalcati> NOTE: Update svn://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk;module=embryo;proto=http
  • [11:06:51] <recalcati> svn: Working copy '.' locked
  • [11:06:57] <recalcati> svn: run 'svn cleanup' to remove locks (type 'svn help cleanup' for details)
  • [11:07:01] * florian refuses to pay USD 42 for shipping
  • [11:07:20] <recalcati> but I don't know where the svn module downloaded
  • [11:07:51] <koen> florian: coordinate a groupbuy :)
  • [11:09:42] <florian> koen: We would have to buy 10+ to get inton acceptable range.
  • [11:09:44] <raster> recalcati: try 1 more time?
  • [11:09:47] <raster> it may be local lock
  • [11:10:04] <koen> "working copy" implies local
  • [11:10:21] <recalcati> bitbake -c rebuild embryo .... not work ..
  • [11:10:36] <florian> I get the impression that they are quite expensive anyway... the hub is nice but expensive like hell.
  • [11:11:16] <recalcati> in tmp/download I have tar.gz, instead in tmp/work I should have embrio ... svn isn't it ?
  • [11:12:37] <recalcati> -c clean and then -c rebuild ... the same
  • [11:13:06] <recalcati> raster: what is a local lock ? svn://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk;module=embryo;proto=http
  • [11:13:35] <raster> within your local file tree
  • [11:13:48] <raster> rm -rf sources/embryo*
  • [11:13:56] <raster> rm -rf sources/svn/svn.enlightenment.org
  • [11:14:00] <raster> and see
  • [11:14:07] <raster> that should clean out all the efl sources
  • [11:14:16] <raster> (and force a refetch)
  • [11:15:06] <Crofton|work> next time I go to .eu, I should get a bunch of beagle cases
  • [11:15:17] <recalcati> raster: tmp .. where ?
  • [11:16:16] <raster> from the oe base dir
  • [11:16:19] <raster> where u are building
  • [11:16:51] <raster> hrw: hold crap the configure.ac for ecore is a mess
  • [11:16:54] <raster> holy
  • [11:17:07] <recalcati> in oe dir I don't have sources dir .. I have 'beagleboard openembedded opt tmp'
  • [11:17:16] <raster> bizarre
  • [11:17:24] <raster> not a normal setup there
  • [11:17:31] <recalcati> I followed the instruction
  • [11:17:57] <recalcati> So I have to recheck., but now I have to go to lunch
  • [11:17:59] <raster> maybe in openembedded
  • [11:18:02] <raster> not sure
  • [11:18:08] <raster> you did the setup
  • [11:18:08] <raster> :)
  • [11:18:16] <recalcati> see you late
  • [11:18:19] <recalcati> later
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  • [11:23:09] <raster> hrw: actually --disable-ecore-sdl.. should do the trick
  • [11:23:11] <raster> already
  • [11:36:58] <kulve> koen: :)
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  • [11:43:04] <recalcati> I'm back
  • [11:43:12] <hrw> uf. worked this time
  • [11:46:57] <recalcati> raster: http://bec-systems.com/oe/html/gettingoe_configuring_oe.html nothing about sources directory
  • [11:59:59] <simon42> I'm still not that familiar with OE. My ffmpeg (ffmpeg-1_0.5-r1) doesn't build at the moment: "ERROR: libtheora not found".
  • [12:00:15] <simon42> libtheora builds fine
  • [12:00:52] <simon42> I'm not sure if it's my local fault...
  • [12:11:06] <koen> simon42: #oe would be the place to go for that
  • [12:11:46] <simon42> oh, sorry and thanks.
  • [12:11:49] <ant_work> simon42: is discussed right now
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  • [12:13:01] <koen> yesterdays build from scratch for beagleboard-demo-image completed without problems
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  • [12:14:16] <ant_work> koen: build from scratch is almost always ok, I see new issues deleting all but /deploy
  • [12:14:30] <ant_work> (standard DEPLOY_DIR)
  • [12:14:44] <hrw> koen: only because you have libgtk2.0-dev installed on host
  • [12:14:50] <ant_work> new issues = gcc not found
  • [12:16:33] <mru> koen: do you build ffmpeg with libtheora support?
  • [12:18:16] <hrw> koen: http://pastebin.ca/1376812 is my fix for gnome-keyring/gtk+ - can you look?
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  • [12:23:24] <koen> mru: yes
  • [12:24:19] <koen> hrw: if that file is an host binary or script, yes, that looks ok
  • [12:27:43] <hrw> thx
  • [12:28:31] <hrw> beagleboard-demo-image starts again building
  • [12:29:12] <hrw> ok. same error like others now ;(
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  • [12:35:25] <mru> koen: why?
  • [12:39:23] <khasim> koen: ping
  • [12:39:40] <khasim> koen: have you tried the leopard IPNET cam demo ?
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  • [12:45:12] <koen> khasim: only with the oooooooold 2.6.10 kernel
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  • [12:45:24] <koen> khasim: and I needed to hack some stuff to get it to work
  • [12:45:42] <koen> khasim: but since it's OABI it doesn't run with the 2.6.29rc kernel (since I disabled OABI support)
  • [12:46:41] <khasim> I was trying the same with old 2.6.10, but doesnt seem to work
  • [12:47:16] <khasim> as per the readme, the USB should get detected and I am supposed to change the IP address
  • [12:47:24] <khasim> but that doesnt detect at all
  • [12:49:36] <raster> recalcati: seems you didnt follow the openembedded.org howto :)
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  • [12:56:24] <recalcati> yes, I did, but I don't remember which guide.
  • [12:57:36] <recalcati> now I'm deleting tmp/* and rebuild again. I have these cfg : http://pastebin.com/d3bf405ea
  • [12:58:03] <hrw> NOTE: package ffmpeg-1_0.5-r1: task do_compile: started
  • [12:58:16] <recalcati> compilations normally work
  • [12:58:19] <hrw> I hate situations when I have to fix recipes..
  • [12:58:32] <jkridner|work> good morning all.
  • [12:58:38] <recalcati> morning
  • [12:58:41] <khasim> good morning
  • [12:59:12] <hrw> hi jkridner
  • [13:00:01] <khasim> koen: sorry was not able to work on u-boot for leopard, feeling sick for last two days :(
  • [13:07:20] <koen> khasim: get well soon!
  • [13:07:49] <koen> khasim: the IPNC demo is a GPL violation anyway, so the public won't ever see it :)
  • [13:09:15] <florian> ji jkridner|work
  • [13:09:37] <recalcati> deleted tmp/* and then I'm doing bitbake beagleboard-demo-image
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  • [13:10:50] * koen has fixed mmc on omapzoom with 2.6.29
  • [13:10:53] <koen> tick: welcome!
  • [13:10:59] <tick> hi keon :)
  • [13:11:21] <tick> I just record two demo of the beagleboard
  • [13:11:54] <tick> and thanks to mru, the real problem is my TV, I bought another monitor and everything solved.
  • [13:12:27] <tick> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kca4bj4KLAU
  • [13:12:48] <tick> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAEdaj7LjgU
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  • [13:21:08] <tick35> koen: Have you ever meet run out of memory problem in beagleboard?
  • [13:22:04] <tick35> koen: I just set swapon on SD card for that, but it is so sloooooow.
  • [13:22:28] <ant_work> tick35: two video is too much..was sloppy as a m3d (old PowerVR)
  • [13:22:33] <recalcati> tick35: I had run out of memory with firefox
  • [13:22:39] <tick35> any suggestion?
  • [13:23:33] <recalcati> I disable browser.cache.memory.enable in firefox about:config
  • [13:23:47] <recalcati> anyway in my opinion firefox is too slow
  • [13:24:00] <tick35> recalcati: me too. easily thrashing with firefox
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  • [13:24:19] <AV500> tick35: use a revC, it has 128MB more
  • [13:24:57] <tick35> AV500: 256MB ?
  • [13:25:13] <recalcati> I have tried midori and epiphany, with libwebkit-1.0-1 - 0.1+svnr40814-r8.1 they work, but I'm not sure they are so nice.
  • [13:25:42] <tick35> sounds great if having 256MB
  • [13:26:00] <AV500> tick35: yep
  • [13:26:10] <tick35> midori crashed often in my system :(
  • [13:26:40] <tick35> AV500: Cool... Next time I will try to get revC
  • [13:27:05] <recalcati> tomorrow I should by one revC
  • [13:27:08] <recalcati> buy
  • [13:27:15] <AV500> no need to try, anything you order now is revC
  • [13:27:28] <tick35> @_@
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  • [13:27:48] <tick35> I just bought beagleboard two weeks ago
  • [13:27:54] <tick35> Ouch.
  • [13:27:55] <AV500> too bad :-)
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  • [14:09:04] <djlewis> Good morning
  • [14:09:23] <koen> ah, finally: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/e949f918cb29e70e722163a54e6a547b.png
  • [14:09:46] <Pavlov> nice
  • [14:10:57] <djlewis> looking goood...
  • [14:13:20] <denix> Koen Kooi <koen@openembedded.org> org.openembedded.dev * re8f0a65d79 openembedded.git/conf/machine/omapzoom.conf: omapzoom: linux-omap work better on the device than linux-omapzoom, so switch to that
  • [14:13:27] <denix> like the message... :)
  • [14:13:57] * koen notices the grammar errors just now
  • [14:14:27] <koen> denix: The only regression is a noisy TS, but at least serial and ethernet work properly now
  • [14:15:40] <denix> are those (serial&eth) broken on zoom? what about pm?
  • [14:17:33] <kulve> koen: where's the zoom2 support? ;)
  • [14:18:38] <koen> denix: the omapzoom.org kernel puts them to sleep after a few seconds
  • [14:18:49] <koen> denix: but the sleep is permanent
  • [14:18:56] <koen> kulve: I don't have a zoom2 :)
  • [14:19:30] <koen> kulve: and the zoom people like their own little git.omapzoom playbox, so support won't get into tony's tree for a loooooooooooong while
  • [14:20:17] <kulve> koen: yeah, it's annoying. Their tree has their own problems (e.g. no DSS2, etc)
  • [14:20:44] <koen> I haven't tried getting dss2 to work on zoom1 yet
  • [14:20:55] * koen suspect the zoom1 lcd is the same as evm and sdp
  • [14:21:00] <koen> suspects*
  • [14:21:54] <kulve> iirc, there has been patches to the l-o m-l that adds the LDP support to DSS2? I might remember wrong though.. And I haven't checked lately if it's in Tomba's tree actually..
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  • [14:23:55] <recalcati> koen: bitbake linux-omap-2.6.29 will be possible ?
  • [14:23:55] <koen> kulve: my only goal was to see whether 2.6.29 from tony worked or not
  • [14:24:11] <koen> recalcati: yes, but it's untested and missing a few patches needed for beagle
  • [14:24:36] <recalcati> ok no pb, now I'm rebuilding from scratch your demo
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  • [15:06:58] <hrw> NOTE: package beagleboard-demo-image-1.0-r0: task do_build: completed
  • [15:07:01] <hrw> finally ;)
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  • [15:18:46] <recalcati> mine is running
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  • [15:54:42] <bayingyi> newbei here..
  • [15:55:03] <bayingyi> can anyone comment on whether I can get hold the silicon on beagle for production ?
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  • [16:00:56] <mru> you want to buy just the chips?
  • [16:02:19] <AV500> I think TI sells them
  • [16:03:42] <denix> http://www.ti.com/omap35x
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  • [16:16:21] <bayingyi> mru : well I'm thinking if I build something, I need to source the chips from somewhere, and TI side is a bit scary, such that, i only supply to high volume OEMs ;(
  • [16:17:01] <bayingyi> the project I'm going to consider is low to medium volume intially..
  • [16:17:04] <AV500> bayingyi: depends on how many you need, but why not talk to a TI distributor
  • [16:17:13] <AV500> or even digikey
  • [16:17:30] <bayingyi> chips only on digikey ?
  • [16:22:05] <AV500> bayingyi: ?
  • [16:22:30] <AV500> bayingyi: you don't want to hand solder them, right?
  • [16:23:31] * koen wonders how many people at ESC are powering beagles with +12V
  • [16:23:31] <mru> is that even possible?
  • [16:23:59] <AV500> mru: 12V or hand solder?
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  • [16:25:20] <mru> hand solder
  • [16:25:40] * mru has overvoltage protection, remember?
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  • [16:27:31] <bayingyi> no of course not ;) I like to build boards and hopefully products out of it..
  • [16:27:48] <AV500> so, you know the usual channels to get ICs etc..
  • [16:28:08] <bayingyi> not for TIs it will be my first withh TI
  • [16:28:30] <AV500> most likely TI has distributors in your country
  • [16:28:51] <bayingyi> and we are planning to do small start up..
  • [16:28:54] <AV500> http://focus.ti.com/docs/general/distributor.jhtml?DCMP=TIHomeTracking&HQS=Other+OT+home_b_dist
  • [16:29:02] <bayingyi> thanks all..
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  • [16:37:39] <bayingyi> btw. it seems no one has Beagle board in stock ? am I missing somehting here ?
  • [16:38:10] <AV500> digikey has them
  • [16:38:25] <AV500> and they get new ones all the time, just order
  • [16:39:09] <bayingyi> cool thanks.
  • [16:41:33] <AV500> dont forget to tell them that we sent you :-)
  • [16:43:08] <bayingyi> well.. their est ship date is in JUNE !!!
  • [16:43:17] <bayingyi> could have build one by than ;)
  • [16:43:23] <AV500> try :-)
  • [16:43:46] <bayingyi> http://ordering.digikey.com/Ordering/LeadTime.aspx?ReturnURL=%2fOrdering%2fAddPart.aspx&partId=1853401&detailGlue=1&blockId=0&bOQty=1&part=296-23428-ND
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  • [16:44:11] <AV500> yes, but they might not be up to date on this.
  • [16:44:24] <marty> hi, does the new rev c is available?
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  • [16:44:41] <AV500> quote: "...Don't believe that date. I have it on good authority that they will be getting over 1000 boards over the next 3 weeks...."
  • [16:46:08] <bayingyi> thanks.. and I hope so.
  • [16:47:18] <hrw> see you later
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  • [16:50:19] <AV500> bayingyi: http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/b4de2ec6c458b1c3/ad89e8763f454e3b?lnk=gst&q=lead+time#ad89e8763f454e3b
  • [16:51:35] <Guest89278> any available date for rev c?
  • [16:51:42] <AV500> today
  • [16:51:48] <AV500> order it
  • [16:52:42] <Guest89278> prefer to wait a couple of week to know if all usb bug is corrected
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  • [16:53:19] <AV500> well, the idea is that YOU find out, if nobody buys it, you will never know :-)
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  • [16:55:18] <koen> ddompe: Mark Greer is going to update leopardboard as well with his new patches for linux-davinci :)
  • [16:55:26] <Guest89278> i want to create a robot, not sure if the beagleboard is the best card for that
  • [16:55:36] <ant_work> koen: still don't understand the complications of psplash / update_alternatives. Isn't a splashscreen for each distro enough? Yes, I know debian/Ubuntu are using this and more...
  • [16:55:41] <koen> Guest89278: looked at the overo already?
  • [16:55:53] <koen> ant_work: it isn't
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  • [16:56:11] <koen> ant_work: Each image should be able to define its own splashscreen
  • [16:56:50] <ant_work> so this will not be easily in /files
  • [16:57:01] <ant_work> (like kexecboot-kernel logo)
  • [16:57:23] <koen> ant_work: everything is already in place, the logos get swapped using update-alternatives
  • [16:58:00] <koen> ant_work: the 'problem' is that people might say RDEPENDS = "psplash" when they mean "don't care 'bout logo"
  • [16:58:23] <ant_work> now is RDEPENDS = "initramfs-uniboot virtual/psplash"
  • [16:58:38] <ant_work> the only case atm
  • [16:58:45] <koen> right
  • [16:58:58] <koen> that can be changed to psplash-unbranded
  • [16:58:59] <ant_work> ok, if for you is ok, fine for me
  • [16:59:27] <ds> do revC boards have the USB host connector populated?
  • [16:59:51] <mru> yes
  • [17:00:04] <ds> excellent
  • [17:00:15] <mru> I didn't say it works ;-)
  • [17:00:21] <mru> (it should)
  • [17:00:22] <ds2> it works
  • [17:02:51] <Guest89278> koen: don't know the overo
  • [17:02:52] <ds2> koen: a btw, the ts stuff you pointed me to should really depend on ts_calibrate at some point... right now, there does not seem to be a dependency on it but one of the required packages does include a script (run_calibrate.sh I think) that calls that out
  • [17:03:24] <koen> ds2: normally the 'pointercal' package provides that data
  • [17:03:52] <Guest89278> overo it's the gumstix board....
  • [17:04:46] <ds2> koen: that works if the TS being used is the one the packageis built for
  • [17:04:54] <Guest89278> i search a board to connect my captor, wheel motor...
  • [17:05:01] <ds2> and the last I check, the beagle doesn't have a standard TS like the other boards
  • [17:06:35] <mpoullet|work> gb
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  • [17:17:16] <Crofton|work> hmm, rumour of broken display at ESC
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  • [17:20:25] <ds2> uh...errr
  • [17:20:34] <ds2> guess I should get moving
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  • [17:21:33] <err0neous> hey guys
  • [17:22:15] <err0neous> is there an easy way to get the "normal" linux utilities installed on the angstrom distro so I can use them instead of the busybox versions?
  • [17:22:36] <err0neous> right now mainly i need the 'stat' command but fsck and others would be nice too
  • [17:23:28] <ds2> don't use angstrom? :D
  • [17:24:09] <err0neous> what do you recommend I use instead?
  • [17:24:20] <djlewis> yep, what?
  • [17:24:21] <err0neous> i am running the console image i built from the git source
  • [17:24:24] <ds2> build from scratch
  • [17:24:41] <ds2> it is easy enough to compile what you want
  • [17:25:27] <err0neous> ok, so for example say i want to install the 'stat' utility
  • [17:25:30] <djlewis> I want to get setup to write and compile C directly on the BB
  • [17:25:31] <err0neous> how would i go about doing that?
  • [17:25:53] <ds2> get the original tarball and compile it
  • [17:26:07] <ds2> got to go... sorry to drop an idea and run
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  • [17:26:44] <err0neous> i wonder where to get the tarball for the stat utility
  • [17:27:01] <djlewis> google?
  • [17:27:32] <ds2> try ftp.gnu.org
  • [17:27:59] <err0neous> thanks,
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  • [17:28:08] <err0neous> i suspect that this will be needlessly complex
  • [17:30:43] <djlewis> if you downloaded/installed the kernal source for your linux box it might be there
  • [17:31:46] <djlewis> sorry I dont have any good answers and I gotta go too.
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  • [17:39:16] <recalcati> beagle demo image stopped: libsoup ... configure: error: Could not find sqlite3 devel files:
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  • [17:43:56] <like2wise> recalcati: try this: bitbake sqlite3
  • [17:44:36] <like2wise> recalcati: after that type the bitbake <demoimagename> again
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  • [17:56:21] <Crofton|work> any shaking going on there?
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  • [17:57:06] <recalcati> bitbake -c rebuild libsoup
  • [17:57:10] <recalcati> its ok
  • [17:57:25] <recalcati> but is strange because I was compiling from scratch
  • [17:57:52] <recalcati> now bb demo image restarted
  • [18:00:55] <like2wise> recalcati: but did you bitbake sqlite3 in the meantime?
  • [18:01:06] <like2wise> Crofton|work: who should we shake and why?
  • [18:01:44] <Crofton> I saw something on twitter about people feeling an earthquake in SFO
  • [18:01:54] <Crofton> this is seriously second hand
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  • [18:02:02] <Crofton> and likely normal for them :)
  • [18:04:11] <like2wise> Crofton: yup; http://quake.usgs.gov/recenteqs/Maps/SF_Bay.html
  • [18:04:31] <like2wise> 4.3 mag
  • [18:04:46] <like2wise> (see the table below the image)
  • [18:05:33] <Crofton|work> I was in LA once and was woken up by 3.5
  • [18:05:44] <Crofton|work> I didn't figure out what was going on until it was over
  • [18:06:34] <like2wise> Crofton|work: same here, only once ~4. I think 3 in my whole life (which is still young).
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  • [18:13:13] <Crofton|work> confirmation of minor earthquake during beagle 101
  • [18:13:21] <recalcati> again libsoup pb
  • [18:14:02] <recalcati> bitbake sqlite3
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  • [18:14:57] <like2wise> recalcati: please be bit more verbose for us to help, was it during bitbake sqlite3 ??
  • [18:16:31] <russ> I was in disneyland for a 4
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  • [18:16:47] <recalcati> After having -c rebuild libsoup ok, I ran bbdemo image and it had again the libsoup pb, so now I compiled succesfully sqlite3 and now I compile again bb demo image
  • [18:17:56] <like2wise> recalcati: after a package fails, I always do a -c clean, then do the fix, then build it again.
  • [18:18:35] <like2wise> I'm not sure what the difference is compared to -c rebuild.
  • [18:23:12] * koen wonders why people ask for the 'stat' command when it's included in the demo-image: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 Mar 24 20:46 /usr/bin/stat -> stat.coreutils
  • [18:24:43] <Crofton|work> rebuild behavior seems to have changed again
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  • [18:26:27] <recalcati> libidn-0.5.19-r0: task do_fetch: failed
  • [18:27:19] <recalcati> no, I'm sorry, I have a wrong address for feed
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  • [18:47:18] <mib_t7dfhg> test
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  • [19:08:32] <recalcati> ffmpeg stops : ERROR: libgsm not found
  • [19:09:07] <recalcati> now I do bitbake libgsm
  • [19:12:00] <recalcati> bitbake ffmpeg stops again , http://pastebin.com/m13ec240d
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  • [19:31:24] <ddompe> Crofton|work: in costa rica we have 7.3 earthquake last month, and couple 5.x during the last days ;)
  • [19:31:40] <Crofton|work> yikes
  • [19:31:52] <ddompe> is not that bad, you get use to it
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  • [19:32:20] <Crofton|work> yeah, my friends in CA don't seem to mind
  • [19:32:26] <ddompe> I'm so lucky that actually one of the times I was on L.A. 13 years ago I did for the time of the big earthquake
  • [19:33:53] <florian> re
  • [19:35:06] <koen> costa rica sounds warm and sunny
  • [19:36:27] <geckosenator> actually isn't it rainy season soon?
  • [19:36:36] <geckosenator> it's just starting now
  • [19:37:01] <ddompe> nop, is dry season
  • [19:37:04] <ddompe> very hot
  • [19:37:26] <ddompe> towards the start of june it turns into a really rainy season
  • [19:37:34] <ddompe> but is tropical rainy, so it's still warm
  • [19:37:41] <ddompe> just too much humidity
  • [19:37:51] <geckosenator> ok
  • [19:39:01] <koen> still sounds warm and sunny to me
  • [19:39:29] <ddompe> koen: should stop by next time you are on this side of the world ;)
  • [19:39:36] <koen> yeah
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  • [22:07:23] <russ> how do I disable the audio tone on speakers on boot
  • [22:07:49] <geckosenator> do you need audio later?
  • [22:08:07] <russ> like, next year?
  • [22:08:10] <russ> or this boot
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  • [22:09:12] <geckosenator> heh
  • [22:09:30] <geckosenator> I was thinking of putting a bandpass filter tuned to the audio sound
  • [22:09:34] <geckosenator> if you had one around
  • [22:10:23] <russ> I just wanted the delay to go away
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  • [22:13:12] <geckosenator> well get a newer uboot
  • [22:13:22] <geckosenator> mine doesn't do it anymore
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  • [22:14:01] <geckosenator> it only spends 2 seconds in uboot
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  • [22:39:22] <russ> geckosenator: figured it might be something like that
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  • [22:43:11] <Crofton|work> I should have a bounty for someone to create a process to upgrade the memory on the beagle
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  • [22:43:46] <raster> memory doubler... here we come!
  • [22:44:05] <geckosenator> i want to do PoPoP
  • [22:45:23] <russ> geckosenator: like jenga?
  • [22:45:38] <russ> Crofton|work: have you tried out compcache?
  • [22:46:35] <mru> Crofton|work: most of the information people store is useless anyway, so I'm sure half could be discarded without anyone noticing
  • [22:46:37] <Crofton|work> compcache?
  • [22:47:00] <Crofton|work> rofl
  • [22:47:08] <russ> Crofton|work: a block device backed by compressed pages
  • [22:47:12] <russ> http://code.google.com/p/compcache/
  • [22:47:16] <Crofton|work> I just want to get someone to try the toaster oven
  • [22:47:24] <Crofton|work> ah
  • [22:47:43] <Crofton|work> no, my interest is in toaster ovens :)
  • [22:48:05] <russ> unfortunately the pop memory devices don't have pads on the top of them
  • [22:48:19] <russ> maybe you could laser drill them
  • [22:48:45] <Crofton|work> http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2007/08/baking_smt_toaster_oven_s.html
  • [22:48:56] <russ> I've done that
  • [22:49:24] <russ> there is a printout of a temperature profile taped to the side of my toaster oven
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  • [22:50:04] <russ> for bga you might need some convection though
  • [22:50:11] <Crofton|work> :)
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  • [22:51:23] <russ> and of course a solder paste mask
  • [22:52:07] <russ> http://www.mysimon.com/9015-11017_8-35291327.html <- forced convection toaster oven
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  • [22:52:59] <russ> hmmm...wonder if you turned a toaster on its side how that would work
  • [22:56:12] <raster> russ: compcache.. while cool... doesnt help much with all your existing processes and memory usage :)
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  • [22:56:45] <russ> raster: it depends on your usage patterns
  • [22:57:08] <russ> raster: if everything you are doing is your working set, you are screwed
  • [22:57:24] <raster> sure
  • [22:57:29] <russ> but if you are switching back and forth, it really helps
  • [22:57:35] <raster> but it needs a manual effort to move your allocs to the compcache
  • [22:57:41] <russ> nope
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  • [22:57:48] <raster> as opposed to magically having the memory you app uses be compressed
  • [22:57:49] <raster> :)
  • [22:57:56] <russ> its a swap device
  • [22:57:57] <raster> ie mmap compcache
  • [22:58:03] <raster> oooh
  • [22:58:11] <raster> good point
  • [23:00:10] <mru> Crofton|work: you inspired me...
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  • [23:56:24] <fenn> why does the digikey part page say "Board (Rev 3)" instead of 2?
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  • [23:57:54] <geckosenator> ?
  • [23:58:12] <geckosenator> maybe they mean revC
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