• [00:02:22] <ZeZu> ok thanks
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  • [00:19:04] <mib_n02mdp> what type of OS is everyone running on BB?
  • [00:19:10] <mru> linux
  • [00:19:19] <ds2> there is only one thing that can be called an OS :P
  • [00:20:00] <mib_n02mdp> can windows CE be installed? I am looking at a project that involves a USB webcam and it needs to be compatible
  • [00:20:13] <mib_n02mdp> I just want a backup just incase it fails with linux
  • [00:20:20] <mru> allegedly
  • [00:20:36] <Crofton|work> mib_n02mdp, I know koen has had success with webcams
  • [00:21:14] <mib_n02mdp> that is good to hear.... i have a pretty serious project that i need to have a webcam work
  • [00:21:24] <mib_n02mdp> or else my a$$ will hurt
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  • [00:23:04] <mib_n02mdp> is there any way i can get in contact with koen? like an email addy?
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  • [00:23:35] <mru> he's usually here during european daytime
  • [00:23:42] <mib_n02mdp> ok
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  • [00:24:51] * ds2 shakes fists at libtool
  • [00:25:12] <mib_n02mdp> first i need to get the webcam, and then i need it to take a picture and store it every second
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  • [00:25:24] <mru> ds2: what's it doing now?
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  • [00:27:12] <ds2> mru: linking invalid objects
  • [00:27:37] <mru> -L/usr/lib ?
  • [00:27:46] <ds2> mru: working on a platform with a slightly different tool chain and libtool is becoming a major obstacle
  • [00:28:34] <ds2> I am just wasting tons of time undoing the damage that libtool + configured has done
  • [00:28:55] <mru> I feel your pain
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  • [05:48:12] <kiran5657> hello people
  • [05:49:09] <kiran5657> kiran: hello
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  • [06:04:09] <Kiran4747> hello people
  • [06:05:17] <Kiran4747> i am looking 4 a help in shell scripting
  • [06:05:47] <Kiran4747> plz give me a help..
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  • [06:12:39] <mib_a2d0kd> hey guys
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  • [06:13:15] <TotallyEpic> anyone in here?
  • [06:14:51] <Kiran4747> hi guys can anyone help me in a problem with shell scripting
  • [06:14:52] <Kiran4747> ?
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  • [06:26:31] <kulve> why don't they ask what they have to ask..
  • [06:27:04] <kulve> we need a bot here that says that privately to everybody that has not said to the bot that "shut up when I join"..
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  • [06:42:25] <Pyrodogg> koen on by chance?
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  • [07:38:21] <AV500> gm
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  • [07:48:44] <tomba> kulve: yea, for some reason I also find it slightly annoying when people ask if they can ask. they could just ask the damn question right away =)
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  • [08:11:19] <mru> tomba: tell them "no"
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  • [08:29:56] <flameman> anybody has a good and tiny kernel module for mmc_over_gpio ?
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  • [08:45:00] <koen> mru: or "you just used up the one question you're allowed to ask"
  • [08:50:10] <AV500> koen: BB website could sell question packs, 5 for $9.99
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  • [08:56:15] <raster> AV500: thats an awesome idea
  • [08:56:22] <raster> everyone gets a free "first 10q's are free"
  • [08:56:27] <raster> always make the first one(s) free
  • [08:56:29] <raster> sucker them in
  • [08:56:30] <raster> :)
  • [08:57:02] <AV500> yes, like a ringtone subscription
  • [08:57:47] <AV500> raster: what is your final verdict on the SGX?
  • [08:58:42] <raster> pending
  • [08:58:47] <raster> for now i'm an unhappy camper
  • [08:58:59] <raster> but i thinki have hit a "slow path" somewhere in the way i use it
  • [08:59:03] <raster> it SHOULD be faster
  • [08:59:16] <raster> my math is showing its levelling out at using like 100m/s of mem bandwidth
  • [08:59:32] <raster> where it should be able to be closert to 10x that on the bb
  • [09:00:28] <raster> especially with simple ops like blit (copy) and alpha blend
  • [09:00:36] <raster> it should be pretty good at maxing out mem bandwidth
  • [09:00:39] <raster> anyway
  • [09:00:42] <raster> gotta go
  • [09:00:50] <raster> the jury is still out on gles
  • [09:00:50] <AV500> cu
  • [09:00:58] <raster> but i am hoping to clear up the slowpath
  • [09:06:09] <koen> the slow path will turn out to be "using the sgx"
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  • [09:07:17] <mru> koen: ;-)
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  • [09:27:17] <AV500> koen: can I have your meeting url again please :-)
  • [09:27:26] <AV500> the cartoon
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  • [09:29:56] <koen> http://www.wehavephotoshop.com/theinternet/meetings.jpg
  • [09:33:38] <AV500> thx
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  • [09:52:24] <Vincent2> 'morning
  • [09:53:17] <Vincent2> Does anyone knows if it is possible to keep indents while reading a file line by line in bash ?
  • [09:53:37] <Vincent2> actually I use : while read line; do ... done < file
  • [09:53:45] <Vincent2> but it does'nt keep indents
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  • [10:10:13] <mpoullet> good morning
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  • [10:28:53] <ldesnogu> Vincent2: try like this: while read; do echo "<$REPLY>"; done < tata
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  • [10:34:39] <kaltsi> hey I'm trying to build a kernel from omap-linux tree tag v2.6.28-omap1 and at bootup I get this
  • [10:34:42] <kaltsi> coherent allocation too big (requested 0x400000 mask 0xffffffff)
  • [10:34:44] <kaltsi> omapfb omapfb: unable to allocate FB DMA memory
  • [10:34:55] <kaltsi> my bootargs have video=omapfb:vram:2M,vram:4M,mode:800x600@60
  • [10:35:02] <kaltsi> what would work? :)
  • [10:37:29] <mru> Vincent2, ldesnogu: that won't work
  • [10:37:47] <mru> "read" performs field splitting on the input
  • [10:38:04] <ldesnogu> mru: test my proposal...
  • [10:39:18] <ldesnogu> it works for me
  • [10:39:23] <mru> hmm... didn't read carefully enough
  • [10:39:42] <mru> that's bash-specific though
  • [10:39:56] * mru always discourages bashisms
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  • [10:40:06] <mru> bash sucks as a script interpreter
  • [10:40:15] <mru> ksh is at least twice as fast
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  • [10:41:07] <ldesnogu> well Vincent2 explicitly mentionned bash :)
  • [10:41:22] <ldesnogu> is ksh free now?
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  • [10:41:47] <ldesnogu> when I started using UNIX long ago ksh was not free
  • [10:41:57] <mru> I've been using it for years
  • [10:42:01] <ldesnogu> zsh was the speedy alternative back then
  • [10:42:16] <mru> it's a bitch to compile sometimes
  • [10:42:29] <mru> how does one get zsh into posix mode?
  • [10:43:33] <ldesnogu> ksh was proprietary until 2000
  • [10:43:45] <ldesnogu> mru: can't say I only use bash now :)
  • [10:44:27] <mru> I only use bash because I'm used to it and many scripts need it
  • [10:44:41] <mru> I try to write scripts posix-compatible
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  • [10:45:38] <ldesnogu> I didn't even know POSIX had defined some standard for shell
  • [10:45:54] <ldesnogu> which says a lot how much I care about scripting
  • [10:46:44] <flameman> anybody has a good and tiny kernel module for mmc_over_gpio ?
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  • [10:47:14] * mru has done a lot of hacking on ffmpeg configure
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  • [10:49:38] <mib_g0l7qh> Help? is it impossible to write text after 'OMAP3 beagleboard.org # ' any people have answer
  • [10:49:45] <Vincent2> cat file | while myLine=`line`
  • [10:49:48] <Vincent2> works well
  • [10:50:43] <mru> Vincent2: also non-standard
  • [10:52:19] <koen_> mru: Yuv422 is 16bpp?
  • [10:53:17] <mru> yes
  • [10:53:28] <mru> 8 bits Y per pixel
  • [10:53:40] <mru> 8 bits U/V for alternating pixels
  • [10:53:45] <koen_> Thanks
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  • [10:54:28] <mru> various standards for sample locations differ
  • [10:54:57] <Vincent2> mru: why non-standard ?
  • [10:55:11] <mru> Vincent2: because it's not standardised
  • [10:55:17] <mru> the "line" command isn't in any standard
  • [10:56:00] <Vincent2> mmmh ok
  • [10:56:25] <Vincent2> anyway I will turn my bash script into a C script
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  • [11:06:00] <Crofton> heh
  • [11:06:15] <Crofton> mib's issue is likely the wrong serial cable
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  • [11:11:00] <Anand> Hi I have some doubt in bealgeBoard
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  • [11:33:42] <recalcati> Anand: what?
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  • [11:36:24] <recalcati> yes, I saw it to late, sorry
  • [11:39:33] <recalcati> I'm compiling kaelios, with machine beagleboard, even if it seems not supported. BB_NUMBER_THREADS = "8" speed up the compilation
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  • [11:43:39] <julianol1ver> does anyone know of any existing handheld devices shipping with the OMAP3530 or OMAP3560 other than the Open Pandora? specifically i'm looking for a device with a camera on board.
  • [11:44:41] <ogra> julianol1ver, the TI zoom ...
  • [11:44:49] <ogra> (if you are rich)
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  • [11:45:52] <julianol1ver> ogra: money's no problem really.
  • [11:45:55] <julianol1ver> ogra: cheers
  • [11:45:56] * julianol1ver greps
  • [11:46:54] <ogra> oh, sorry, it has a 3430
  • [11:47:57] <ogra> http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/18/texas-instruments-and-wind-river-do-up-android-right/
  • [11:49:44] <julianol1ver> ogra: super! seems it only has a 3430 also (based on the same TI board).
  • [11:49:55] <julianol1ver> what's the performance deficit of the 3430 compared t the 3450?
  • [11:50:03] <ogra> has no idea
  • [11:50:34] <julianol1ver> anyway, this is great as i'm targetting android also.
  • [11:50:36] <julianol1ver> cheers
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  • [12:04:22] <julianol1ver> not a bad looking device at all: http://www.logicpd.com/products/devkit/ti/zoom_omap34x-II_mdp
  • [12:11:24] <AV500> a bit large though...
  • [12:11:42] <jkridner> good morning all
  • [12:11:45] <AV500> gm
  • [12:12:12] <julianol1ver> AV500: it is, though fine for what i need it for
  • [12:12:16] <florian> hi jkridner
  • [12:12:58] <AV500> julianol1ver: they made it for what you need it for :-)
  • [12:16:26] <julianol1ver> AV500: it would seem so ;)
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  • [12:22:52] <Crofton|work> Has everyone filled out the linuxdevices survey?
  • [12:23:30] <julianol1ver> nope
  • [12:23:56] <eFfeM> nope
  • [12:24:04] <florian> !
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  • [12:28:44] <Crofton|work> I can't tell you how to answer the questions :)
  • [12:29:38] <Crofton|work> jkridner, are we using elinux.org as the primary Beagle wiki?
  • [12:29:47] <jkridner> yes.
  • [12:30:02] <Crofton|work> OK, I will start the GSoC pages there
  • [12:30:32] <jkridner> today is the last day of the software contest #2.
  • [12:30:40] <Crofton|work> urg
  • [12:30:52] <Crofton|work> when is judging?
  • [12:31:05] <jkridner> this weekend.
  • [12:31:07] <Crofton|work> ah
  • [12:31:19] <Crofton|work> ok, no entry from me :)
  • [12:31:28] <jkridner> be sure to make your work reproducable and take some pictures/videos of it if necessary.
  • [12:31:47] <Crofton|work> yeah, reproducable is an issue atm
  • [12:31:51] <Crofton|work> nee to fix that
  • [12:32:07] <Crofton|work> but I am going to work on that after I get back from skiing, around March 10
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  • [12:32:17] <julianol1ver> yikes: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8848023892.html
  • [12:32:52] <jkridner> ZeZu: nullDC seems to not have made its ETA. going to get something out today?
  • [12:33:06] <eFfeM> jkridner working on finishing off some odds and ends, reproducability will be by means of a install script on top of a narcissus img
  • [12:33:29] <eFfeM> plan to finish in a few hrs (6 at max)
  • [12:33:30] <jkridner> k. do you still need image hosting?
  • [12:33:44] <eFfeM> will post a small msg to the forum
  • [12:34:19] <eFfeM> jkridner if you want me to provide an image, yes, if you feel downloading an image from amethyst and applying a script is ok, not necessarily
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  • [12:35:00] <eFfeM> i'll try a fresh install anyway later today to see if everything works (ironing out the last bugs now and updating the doc after that)
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  • [12:35:58] <drt80> I have to make a decision on which GUI toolkit to use. I need to display some graphs, update them in run-time. And along with this have some descent GTK+ like interface (buttons, drop-boxes, etc widgets). Now, has anyone tried running GTK+ applications on the beagleboard. I have come across clutter and cairo. I am just starting with the beagleboard. Thanks for reading.
  • [12:37:24] <eFfeM> drt80: qt? and if you want a web based UI that you can view remotely you could consider wt
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  • [12:39:56] * julianol1ver just completed the survey
  • [12:40:30] <julianol1ver> qt's pretty amazing these days.
  • [12:40:39] <drt80> ok. I was kinda hoping for GTK+. Has QT being used on beagleboard? Sorry, if I did not make myself clear, I would not want a remote UI. I want to connect a high resolution TFT monitor and have the application displayed on it. Maybe 17 inches or 19 inches.
  • [12:40:41] <julianol1ver> gtk has some serious catchup
  • [12:40:58] <AV500> ncurses?
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  • [12:42:06] <eFfeM> i have an odd problem. I regularly seem to have problems with usb on the otg port as host. Just encountered the problem again and now I am 100% sure that the problem is beagle hw or sw. The issue is that sometimes I get wrong data from the usb. What I had today was that a file iwas corrupted. This file was copied from a USB hard disk connected to the beagle. I connected the disk to my unix workstation, and copied the file to the beagle using sc
  • [12:42:23] <julianol1ver> AV500: hehe. good for many solutions, just not small screens.
  • [12:42:37] <julianol1ver> AV500: he has a big display though, so why not.
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  • [12:44:06] <drt80> So, if i understand right. GTK+ has some catching up to do and is not yet usable as such. What about QT licensing issues? Is it open source?
  • [12:44:31] <julianol1ver> it's dual licensed, AFAIK.
  • [12:45:01] <AV500> drt80: yes, it is open source
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  • [12:45:38] <julianol1ver> drt80: i don't know if anyone has qt running on the Beagle at all. i'm new to the platform. qt4 is particularly impressive though, in performance and in the quality of the API overall.
  • [12:46:05] <drt80> Ok. So any comments on GTK+, clutter and cairo.
  • [12:46:10] <AV500> drt80: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4030623636.html
  • [12:46:21] <Stskeeps> julianol1ver: ubuntu ports quite nicely, so it would surprise me if qt and gtk doesn't work :P
  • [12:46:37] <julianol1ver> Stskeeps: right..
  • [12:47:45] <julianol1ver> drt80: hard to go /wrong/ with gtk, it is tried and true, so to speak.
  • [12:47:54] <julianol1ver> clutter, no idea.
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  • [12:49:05] <julianol1ver> drt80: the way clutter abstracts over OpenGL is pretty interesting though.
  • [12:51:07] <drt80> well, the application i am planning to write requires a bit of both, the normal widgets stuff and some drawing, like graphs, meters (dials).
  • [12:51:57] <lcuk2> but widgets and dials and stuff are just boxes with control code. you can create widgets with clutter actors
  • [12:52:58] <lcuk2> the original response of qt would be reasonable, as is gtk - i mean, in either of them you can get yourself a canvas type customizable drawing surface, or even (i believe) you can have a clutter surface poke through where required in your gtk/qt app
  • [12:56:13] <drt80> hmm.... I guess I will give GTK+ a try and then QT if things do not turn out right. I have read a bit of clutter, so try integrate it with my app.
  • [12:56:21] <drt80> Now, to the next Q. As people see what I want to do, which distro should I use? Ubuntu, Angstrom, Android, or...?
  • [12:56:57] <jkridner|work> Android and Qt or GTK don't mix.
  • [12:57:11] <jkridner|work> Android has its own GUI.
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  • [12:57:16] <julianol1ver> if you choose GTK i'd go with Ubuntu.. Android has it's own unique approach to widgets/ui
  • [12:57:30] <lcuk2> drt80, best thing, use the toolkit that suits your style of coding and knowledge, you might find (as many people over the years have done) that gtk+ is enough without resorting to opengl or other things ontop
  • [12:57:35] <julianol1ver> i have never worked with GTK on Angstrom, so cannot comment there.
  • [12:57:37] <AV500> Android has its own unique approach to a lot of things :-)
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  • [12:57:50] <julianol1ver> AV500: indeed!
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  • [12:58:21] <jkridner|work> A lot of things will show up first on Angstrom and feed into Ubuntu, others.
  • [12:58:54] <julianol1ver> yes, i suppose that's the trickle path..
  • [12:59:09] <arcclaro> Sorry for interrupting
  • [12:59:28] <arcclaro> but my beagleboard has bricked
  • [12:59:41] <julianol1ver> eek
  • [12:59:46] <jkridner> http://eLinux.org/BeagleBoardRecovery
  • [12:59:46] <arcclaro> and i dont know what to do
  • [12:59:49] <AV500> what has it bricked? :-)
  • [13:00:05] <arcclaro> yes, i already visited the site
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  • [13:00:40] <ali_as> Do you have a JTAG interface?
  • [13:01:18] <arcclaro> ithe only acknowledge i get from the beagleboard is "#t5b$U
  • [13:01:18] <arcclaro> @D(1 `"
  • [13:01:28] <drt80> hmm.... I am doing some research right now. And my beagleboard is arriving tomorrow :D. I guess I will try will Angstrom for starters (i think it has a video on installation :)) and then go for ubuntu. Seems a reasonable approach?
  • [13:01:56] <eFfeM> arcclaro: booting from nand or mmc?
  • [13:02:01] <arcclaro> yes, i think i have a jtag interface in office
  • [13:02:25] <jkridner> sounds to me like the right order to try things in (more info out there on getting Angstrom to run, and once you understand it, getting Ubuntu to run should be easy)
  • [13:02:35] <arcclaro> the beagleboard answers the same with mmc inserted or not
  • [13:02:50] <eFfeM> with mmc do you press the user button while booting?
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  • [13:03:09] <arcclaro> yes
  • [13:03:17] <arcclaro> even so, the same answer
  • [13:03:21] <eFfeM> hmm
  • [13:03:22] <arcclaro> #t5b$U @D(1 `
  • [13:03:26] <arcclaro> always
  • [13:03:35] <eFfeM> right terminal settings, cable ok ?
  • [13:03:41] <arcclaro> yes
  • [13:03:53] <arcclaro> they we're ok minutes before!
  • [13:04:17] <arcclaro> i was doing this procedure to validate the board
  • [13:04:19] <eFfeM> what did you do just before you bricked it
  • [13:04:23] <eFfeM> ah ok
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  • [13:04:33] <eFfeM> hi koen_
  • [13:04:40] <arcclaro> http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleboardRevCValidation
  • [13:04:55] <arcclaro> nothing
  • [13:05:04] <eFfeM> arcclaro: the only issue i have seen is that my el cheapo usb to rs232 interface bails out
  • [13:05:06] <arcclaro> everything was going very well
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  • [13:05:25] <arcclaro> and when i reset the board
  • [13:05:28] <arcclaro> kaboom
  • [13:05:43] <eFfeM> hm. don't think i can advise you with that
  • [13:05:59] <arcclaro> thanks anyway
  • [13:07:07] <arcclaro> can anyone give me some help? i really dont want to RMA the board without know what happened
  • [13:08:13] <arcclaro> I'm from Portugal and importing goods from US is really difficult
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  • [13:09:14] <julianol1ver> arcclaro: i'm in Spain.. tell me about it :\
  • [13:09:29] <arcclaro> :D
  • [13:12:27] <arcclaro> any ideias?
  • [13:12:50] <AV500> arcclaro: shouldnt you see "40T" or so on the serial?
  • [13:13:05] <arcclaro> no
  • [13:13:06] <jkridner> seeing characters, but not see 40T makes me think that you might have a bad terminal program setup.
  • [13:13:15] <AV500> yes, methinks the same
  • [13:13:43] <AV500> do you have another device that speaks at 115200 to try?
  • [13:14:16] <eFfeM> a few days back we had someone with a similar problem who had an rs232 cable with a bad wire
  • [13:15:14] <arcclaro> this afternoon on the university lab I will test another cable and another terminal software
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  • [13:15:40] <arcclaro> i'm currently using an usb to serial converter with ftdi chip
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  • [13:15:54] <arcclaro> and zterm on my macbook
  • [13:16:21] <arcclaro> was everything working ok, until I reset the beagleboard to do more tests
  • [13:16:23] <AV500> could you replug the FTDI, just to make sure?
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  • [13:16:36] <arcclaro> I already done that!
  • [13:16:51] <AV500> arcclaro: ok
  • [13:20:47] <arcclaro> thanks for helping
  • [13:20:47] <arcclaro> i'm returning to probem debugging
  • [13:21:20] <AV500> arcclaro: they fact that you see something on the serial would hint that the CPU is still alive
  • [13:21:48] <AV500> as it runs ROM code 1st, you should see the 40T!
  • [13:22:27] <AV500> please also unplug the power instead of reset, sometimes the reset does not work, no?
  • [13:22:27] <arcclaro> I'm suspicious
  • [13:22:35] <gcohler> I think in order to see the 40T, you need to press the "User" button before powering up. Once power is applied, you can let go of the User button.
  • [13:23:05] <arcclaro> i think the usb to serial is faulty
  • [13:23:20] <arcclaro> the answer is always the same
  • [13:23:36] <arcclaro> t5b$U
  • [13:23:46] <arcclaro> with user button and withou
  • [13:23:51] <arcclaro> with memory card or without
  • [13:23:51] <arcclaro> is really strange
  • [13:24:25] <gcohler> I don't think you see 40T on the USB. You see it on the serial connector on the Beagle.
  • [13:24:26] <ali_as> Do you have a real serial port you can wire it to?
  • [13:25:12] <AV500> gcohler: the USB2serial
  • [13:25:33] <AV500> Intel does not like us having real serial ports any more :-(
  • [13:26:10] <ali_as> There are still some on a lot of motherboards, buried inside the case normally.
  • [13:26:21] <AV500> ali_as: yes
  • [13:26:31] <ali_as> They are trying to wean us off parallel ports too.
  • [13:26:33] <gcohler> Ok. From the beagle side, only pins 2,3,5 matter. Pin 5 is ground. You might try swapping 2 and 3 in case you don't have the nul-modem configured properly.
  • [13:26:55] <AV500> gcohler: yes, but it was working for him, I doubt the pins swapped magically :-)(
  • [13:27:18] <arcclaro> I'll try a real serial port
  • [13:27:31] <gcohler> AV500: Ok. I came in on the middle of this. If it was working before, and now it's broken, that may be the problem that I believe is errata 7. Let me look up a link.
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  • [13:27:39] <ali_as> It looks like the sort of thing you get when the baud is wrong.
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  • [13:28:40] <arcclaro> exactly!
  • [13:28:49] <drt80> Alright Thanks for your time and suggestions, I appreciate it. I am still researching (or searching) on more information on the beagleboard software side. Thanks!!!
  • [13:29:27] <gcohler> arcclaro: Take a look at Errata #8 here: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard#Errata
  • [13:29:59] <gcohler> arcclaro: I've had it happen to one of my boards. The solution was to send the board back for an exchange.
  • [13:31:09] <arcclaro> gcohler: was the process very long? how many time do I need to expect to get a working board?
  • [13:32:17] * koen wonders why people keep wanting to include libraries into their rootfs without apps that actually use the libs
  • [13:32:36] <arcclaro> gcohler: my board is revision B6.... shouldn't have that problem
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  • [13:34:09] <florian> koen: e.g. to run additional apps from a memory card
  • [13:35:27] <gcohler> arcclaro: The process wasn't long. But I agree that if you have B6, you shouldn't have the problem. Maybe your cable just broke somewhere.
  • [13:35:54] <koen> florian: then why not put the libs on the memorycard?
  • [13:36:44] <florian> koen: sometime speed or just because you don't want people to ship their own libraries
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  • [13:37:49] <koen> you don't what people to ship their own libs, but do want them to ship their own apps?
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  • [13:37:58] <koen> sounds like a recipe for disaster
  • [13:38:15] <koen> or "more money to extort for support" in case you're a contracter :)
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  • [13:39:00] <florian> koen: you more and more sound like a businessman ;)
  • [13:39:23] <ali_as> Ease up on the insults.
  • [13:39:56] <gcohler> florian,koen: you're too cynical :-) businessman != extortionist.
  • [13:40:41] <gcohler> opportunist yes. but they should be honestly found opportunities.
  • [13:40:43] <florian> gcohler: Oh sorry, English is not our native language ;)
  • [13:41:17] <Crofton|work> koen, has been reading to much about about the American financial industry
  • [13:42:33] <gcohler> ok, so we're not perfect. but giving out $18 B (B=10^9) in bonuses while extracting $750B in public welfare does sound a bit criminal.
  • [13:43:07] <Crofton|work> :)
  • [13:43:51] <gcohler> Most of our folks on welfare don't even get $1M in bonuses. So I would agree that they should take the executives and pillory them in the town squares. And if they complain, we should nail their ears to the pillory.
  • [13:43:55] <koen> maybe it's because I know latin, but 'bonus' doesn't mean "money you get when utterly failing"
  • [13:43:57] <raster> libs shmibs
  • [13:44:03] <raster> libs are for whimps
  • [13:44:03] <raster> :)
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  • [13:45:28] <mru> koen: no, it means "money you get regardless of what you did"
  • [13:45:43] <fayce> Goooood morning beagle Land !!!
  • [13:46:06] <julianol1ver> koen: i would sincerely doubt most CEO's of big corporations didn't see this coming a long time ago. they'd planned to bail out rich.
  • [13:46:52] <gcohler> We just need to create contracts like the CEOs -- i.e. If I do well, you pay me. And if I fail, you pay me more to leave.
  • [13:47:07] <julianol1ver> koen: afterall, they've had access to the best macro-economic consultants in the country.
  • [13:47:53] * Crofton|work would like to compare pyschics predictions with the "best macro-economic consultants" prdictions
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  • [13:48:31] <gcohler> If economics worked all the time, wouldn't economists be wealthy?
  • [13:49:09] <mru> they're not?
  • [13:49:49] <gcohler> As far as I can tell, wealth is inversely proportional to the amount of education a person has.
  • [13:50:00] <mru> it's quite simple, really
  • [13:50:25] <mru> start with these two well-known facts: 1) time=money, and 2) knowledge=power
  • [13:50:31] <mru> now, power=work/time
  • [13:50:56] <mru> substitute: knowledge=work/money
  • [13:51:08] <mru> shuffle: money=work/knowledge
  • [13:51:25] <julianol1ver> an Economy implies scarcity, capital is maldistributed by design.
  • [13:51:30] <mru> it is now clear, that as knowledge approaches zero, money will approach inf regardless of work done
  • [13:51:36] <julianol1ver> hehe
  • [13:52:18] <julianol1ver> a salary is not a gift in recognition of effort hehe.
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  • [13:54:03] <gcohler> So returning to the original. We should make Beagleboard more complex so as to increase the number of support dollars that could be given to the least knowledgeable consultants.
  • [13:54:32] <ali_as> Hahaha.
  • [13:54:44] <julianol1ver> gcohler: ;)
  • [13:54:54] <koen> support euros :)
  • [13:54:58] <mru> "insultants" we call them around here
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  • [13:55:36] <julianol1ver> mru: i dearly would love to see that on an expensive business card.
  • [13:56:09] <gcohler> I just read a sociology study that said that it didn't matter what you knew. The person who spoke first and loudest in a group was assumed to be the smartest by the others.
  • [13:56:35] <mru> gcohler: that's not entirely accurate
  • [13:56:36] * koen is very skilled in speaking loud
  • [13:56:48] <Openfree> hi~, I see USB gadget support is added to u-boot, but can we download using DFU tool? send file via UART is quite slow..
  • [13:56:57] <mru> the person who speaks first/loudest is assumed to be the smartest *by the managers*
  • [13:56:59] <koen> Openfree: use an SD card
  • [13:57:06] <Crofton|work> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard/GSoC
  • [13:57:17] <gcohler> lol. how true.
  • [13:57:17] <Crofton|work> contribute verbage and ideas please
  • [13:57:53] <florian> Crofton|work: very nice
  • [13:58:11] <koen> Crofton|work: shouldn't beagleboard register as GSoC .org?
  • [13:58:18] <Crofton|work> heh, almost no content compared with other projects
  • [13:58:31] <Crofton|work> koen, yes, mentoring orgs apply on March 9-13
  • [13:58:43] <Crofton|work> we will need the idea list for the application
  • [13:59:08] <Openfree> koen, that's just correct, not answer my question. just see wiki page mentioned about DFU, so just asking is there any people working on that
  • [14:00:06] <Crofton|work> http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/notes-on-organization-selection-criteria
  • [14:00:32] <Crofton|work> we should create an Android idea to suck up to google :)
  • [14:00:40] <mru> ;-)
  • [14:00:45] <ali_as> HAhahahaha :)
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  • [14:01:23] <Crofton|work> I know that is funny, but I am serious :)
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  • [14:01:52] <ali_as> It's a good plan.
  • [14:02:13] <julianol1ver> Crofton|work: i want to target Android on the OMAP 34** for one of my projects but i'm not a student!
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  • [14:02:28] <Crofton|work> you could be a mentor :)
  • [14:02:43] <Crofton|work> if you ahve an idea, add it to the page
  • [14:02:45] <julianol1ver> Crofton|work: if it involves computer graphics/computer vision i certainly would be happy to.
  • [14:02:51] <Crofton|work> and read the selection criteria
  • [14:02:56] <julianol1ver> Crofton|work: cheers, i will do this.
  • [14:02:59] <Crofton|work> thanks
  • [14:03:09] <Crofton|work> crap I need to make my idea a better example
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  • [14:03:54] <ali_as> Does that package do fast hartly transform as well?
  • [14:04:11] <Crofton|work> not sure
  • [14:04:38] <Crofton|work> as a first pass, I think adding NEON support to the existing simd dir would be a start
  • [14:05:01] <ali_as> Good one to optimise for as anything that just wants a spectrum it's a better algorithm as it loses the complexity of complex numbers.
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  • [14:23:50] <ldesnogu> Crofton|work: your FFTW has a small problem; you must make sure the applicant(s) will be able to gain access to NEON documentation
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  • [14:24:43] <Crofton|work> ldesnogu, I guess I am hopeful that ARM can work something out :)
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  • [14:25:40] <ldesnogu> btw you should provide a sample list of projects that use fftw
  • [14:25:49] <ldesnogu> I wonder if its use is that widespread
  • [14:25:54] <mru> fftw isn't actually that good
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  • [14:26:36] <Vincent2> When I add some printk into some driver functions, I get no error while compiling, but the kernel can't boot. I get this error : Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference
  • [14:26:44] <Crofton|work> mru, but a project to make a better fft would be to large a scope for SoC :)
  • [14:26:51] <ldesnogu> mru: I guess it's good for big FFT
  • [14:26:58] <Vincent2> Any idea why could some printk generate this error ?
  • [14:26:59] <ldesnogu> for smaller ones hand coding will be better
  • [14:27:03] <mru> Crofton|work: no need, there's already djbfft
  • [14:27:14] <ldesnogu> djbfft omg
  • [14:27:24] <mru> and ffmpeg fft
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  • [14:27:29] <ldesnogu> even worse
  • [14:27:31] <ldesnogu> :)
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  • [14:27:44] <mru> the new ffmpeg fft is quite good
  • [14:28:10] <mru> the guy who wrote it insists it's faster than both fftw and djb
  • [14:28:19] <ldesnogu> djb stuff is old
  • [14:28:22] <Crofton|work> GNU Radio uses fftw, so my interests are somewhat narrow :)
  • [14:28:23] <mru> old != bad
  • [14:28:47] <ldesnogu> for something that relies on p5 artefacts of gcc -O1, I would say old=bad
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  • [14:29:34] <florian> ldesnogu: if it really does so then it has been always bad even at at time it was brand new
  • [14:29:37] <ldesnogu> I think porting ODE to use NEON would be fun too
  • [14:29:56] <Crofton|work> ldesnogu, feel free to suggest projects :)
  • [14:30:05] * mru should do neon version of ffmpeg fft
  • [14:30:10] <ldesnogu> florian: djb used C as assembly...
  • [14:30:31] <Crofton|work> A quick scan of OE shows octave, gnuradio, and mythtv using fftw
  • [14:30:34] <ldesnogu> mru: speed up h264 instead :)
  • [14:30:57] <mru> I've picked all the low-hanging fruit
  • [14:31:04] <ldesnogu> really?
  • [14:31:33] <mru> there's still stuff reachable by ladder...
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  • [14:32:15] <Crofton|work> ldesnogu, do you see access to the docs as solvable problem?
  • [14:34:27] <ldesnogu> Crofton|work: can't say...
  • [14:36:20] <Crofton|work> I own some ARM stock
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  • [14:36:35] <Crofton|work> I wonder if UK companies have to accept shareholder proposals
  • [14:36:47] <mru> Crofton|work: try a stick instead
  • [14:37:04] <Crofton|work> a stick covered in honey?
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  • [14:43:48] <Vincent2> When I add some printk into some driver functions, I get no error while compiling, but the kernel can't boot. I get this error : Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference
  • [14:43:49] <Vincent2> Any idea why could some printk generate this error ?
  • [14:44:16] <ldesnogu> Vincent2: IIRC you can't printk very early in the boot
  • [14:44:31] <ldesnogu> also make sure you don't pass stupid data :)
  • [14:44:47] <Vincent2> There's no parameter in my printks
  • [14:45:06] <Vincent2> [ 28.341580] IN int mmc_register_driver(struct mmc_driver *drv) [ 28.347470] OUT int mmc_register_driver(struct mmc_driver *drv) [ 28.353482] Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual addre ss 00000030
  • [14:45:24] <Vincent2> IN and OUT are the first appearing printks
  • [14:45:41] <Vincent2> and then the error ( resulting in a kernel panic )
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  • [14:48:19] <arcclaro> Hi, I'm back
  • [14:48:30] <arcclaro> but my beagleboard is still bricked
  • [14:49:42] <arcclaro> I tested it on a windows computer with onboard serial port with teraterm, and the beagleboard only says "40T"
  • [14:50:02] <arcclaro> tried the mmc recovery, but nothing
  • [14:50:49] <koen> you can't brick a beagleboard
  • [14:50:56] <koen> since it has a bootrom you can use to recover it
  • [14:51:05] <arcclaro> :D
  • [14:51:34] <arcclaro> sorry for being such a noob
  • [14:52:11] <arcclaro> I already tried the mmc recovery method
  • [14:52:24] <arcclaro> but maybe I'm doing something wrong
  • [14:54:59] <eFfeM> arcclaro: if it says 40t that tells at least that previous time there was something wrong with your cable
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  • [14:56:04] <eFfeM> arcclaro: generate a small image for beagle with that, and dd the image to an empty sd card (after unzipping) and try that one
  • [14:56:16] <eFfeM> with http://amethyst.openembedded.net/~koen/narcissus/
  • [14:56:46] <gcohler> arcclaro: Also try this: http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleNANDFlashing
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  • [14:59:37] <Vincent2> arcclaro: what are the symptoms ?
  • [15:00:45] <arcclaro> Vincent2: I only get "40T" from beagle, with or without user button pressed or mmc inserted or not
  • [15:01:27] <arcclaro> Vincent2: board was working ok, until i made a reset
  • [15:01:59] <arcclaro> Vincent2: after some quick analysis, discovered a faulty usb2serial converter
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  • [15:02:59] <arcclaro> Vincent2: now i'm trying eFfeM's and gcohler's advices
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  • [15:03:12] <Vincent2> Can't upload u-boot when board is starting ?
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  • [15:03:42] <arcclaro> Vincent2: no, i'm reformatting the card
  • [15:03:58] <arcclaro> Vincent2: in a few minutes I'll post more info
  • [15:05:22] <fayce> koen: how can I extract from the generated .img.gz file (from your site) , only the vfat partion files ?
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  • [15:23:46] <mpoullet> hi, I get a lot of dispc irq errors yet, 4022/4000 and then lose the sync; was this issue not already fixed?
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  • [16:13:12] <eFfeM> koen, ping
  • [16:14:07] <koen_> Pong
  • [16:15:07] <eFfeM> koen i just generated an image for james, is it possible that you host that for a somewhat longer time, so I can refer to it on my page and not everyone starts to generate the same image, but instead download mine
  • [16:16:02] <koen> sure
  • [16:16:07] <koen> what's the link?
  • [16:16:28] <eFfeM> http://amethyst.openembedded.net/~koen/narcissus/deploy/beagleboard/b85b40/james-image-beagleboard.tar.bz2 and http://amethyst.openembedded.net/~koen/narcissus/deploy/beagleboard/b85b40/james-image-beagleboard-sd.img.gz
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  • [16:17:07] <eFfeM> koen thanks alot!
  • [16:17:11] <koen> eFfeM: http://amethyst.openembedded.net/~koen/beaglecontest/
  • [16:17:36] <eFfeM> great
  • [16:17:55] <eFfeM> updating the page now, do a final test after dinner and I am done (i hope)
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  • [17:34:31] <mib_ftwg6h> I'm looking for "the" expert on the TPS65950 part. Help!!
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  • [17:57:26] <jkridner|work> ah, nice to see James found a home.
  • [17:57:56] <eFfeM> jkridner|work: more or less, but it has limited storage
  • [17:58:17] <eFfeM> testing the automated install at the moment, doc should be ok
  • [17:58:37] <eFfeM> just bumped into an opkg issue which requires a small change in the installer script
  • [17:58:46] <eFfeM> opkg -force-overwrite sucks
  • [17:58:52] <jkridner|work> k. I'll look to mirror it if the storage becomes too much of an issue.
  • [18:00:04] <eFfeM> for individual packages and files I am fine, after I tested the script I'll tar and bzip2 the card contents to see how big it is. If less than 100 MB I can store it (probably on google or 110mb.com)
  • [18:00:30] <eFfeM> i'll keep you posted (and as I have to leave in 60 minutes it should be completed by then)
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  • [18:18:31] <dev_543> Hey guys, anyone here using Ubuntu?
  • [18:19:06] <dev_543> I'm trying to get networking working with the beagle
  • [18:19:31] <ds2> what kind of networking?
  • [18:19:54] <dev_543> I can do it on the command prompt no prob, but I want it to automatically setup the static IP address when I plugin the beagle
  • [18:20:08] <dev_543> as I getting it to boot over NFS
  • [18:22:08] <dev_543> The network manger only talks about wired network, I can't see how to select the specific network adapter to change and so if I do change it from dhcp to static it also changes my ethernet address, not what I want
  • [18:22:11] <dev_543> :(
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  • [18:23:13] <dev_543> I've added to my /etc/network/interfaces (http://www.mibbit.com/pb/R3hw4p )
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  • [18:27:40] <bgamari_> The BeagleBoard's audio interface is now fully supported in 2.6.29 kernels, correct?
  • [18:28:09] <bgamari_> Something is a little strange in the soc machine driver
  • [18:28:17] <bgamari_> .cpu_dai = &omap_mcbsp_dai[0],
  • [18:28:23] <bgamari_> can someone explain that?
  • [18:28:41] <bgamari_> I was under the impression that the audio interface was attached to McBSP2
  • [18:29:33] <dev_543> Hmm any udev guru's here? Running `sudo ifup usb0` brings up the interface, I thought that's what udev should do when it detects the device
  • [18:29:54] <bgamari_> dev_543: I don't think it does by default
  • [18:30:17] <bgamari_> dev_543: look at the udev rules
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  • [18:33:42] <dev_543> ACTION=="add", RUN+="/sbin/start-stop-daemon --start --background --pidfile /var/run/network/bogus --startas /sbin/ifup -- --allow auto $env{INTERFACE}"
  • [18:34:08] <dev_543> Looks like it should then
  • [18:35:27] <bgamari> hmm
  • [18:35:27] <bgamari> yep
  • [18:35:32] <bgamari> looks like you're right
  • [18:35:52] <bgamari> anything logged?
  • [18:37:31] <dev_543> Just found that usb* wasn't in 75-persistent-net-generator.rules white list
  • [18:37:56] <dev_543> Do I need to restart udev for my change to take affect?
  • [18:39:55] <dev_543> Do you know which log I need to check?
  • [18:40:38] <bgamari> I think a HUP will do the trick
  • [18:42:43] <bgamari> udevadm control --reload-rules
  • [18:42:48] <bgamari> that will do it
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  • [18:45:44] <dev_543> http://www.mibbit.com/pb/hMwdY0 after reloading the rules (captured by running udevmonitor)
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  • [18:46:57] <eFfeM> james contest entry is complete, will post to the mailing list in a few minutes
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  • [18:48:02] <dev_543> Not really sure how to read that output :(
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  • [18:51:29] <eFfeM> see also http://www.elinux.org/BeagleBoard/James
  • [18:54:41] <koen> eFfeM: -force-overwrite can usually be worked around with update-alternatives
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  • [19:00:11] <eFfeM> koen, need to learn about update-alternatives
  • [19:00:24] <eFfeM> but not now, need to leave in a few minutes :-)
  • [19:00:45] <eFfeM> catch you tomorrow!
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  • [19:03:58] <jkridner|work> ZeZu, are you going to have something running today?
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  • [19:05:20] <koen> jkridner|work: could you remove mailto:crm@bluewatersys.com from the mailinglist?
  • [19:05:30] <koen> jkridner|work: I keep getting failurenotices everytime I post to the list
  • [19:06:04] <dev_543> Found the problem, fixed it by following http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Debian.2C_Ubuntu_and_others. Basically the script didn't bring down the interface so next time it tried to bring it back up it got the error "interface already configured"
  • [19:06:05] <koen> jkridner|work: I forwarded you a notice
  • [19:06:16] <jkridner|work> doesn't show up on the bouncing list.
  • [19:06:47] <jkridner|work> doesn't even show up in the list.
  • [19:07:04] <jkridner|work> I see an address that may forward there.
  • [19:07:53] <ZeZu> jkridner|work: I think i'm going to remove it actually ;|
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  • [19:08:26] <mib_ur1wie> hello
  • [19:09:02] <ZeZu> I am still going to release binaries of the project but its not suitable for the contest, and there are two very big reasons we cannot release the source to the entire emulator, though we have discussed it and plan on it eventually
  • [19:09:03] <jkridner|work> I sent a notice to someone at bluewatersys.com with the bounce.
  • [19:09:46] <jkridner|work> ZeZu: k. go ahead and leave it and the judges can just rule it out. I like having it up on the wiki page as reference.
  • [19:09:48] <ZeZu> Also, I may put something else back up IE: just the compiler with a test case, since its still pretty neat and other could use it, however unfinished it may be
  • [19:10:02] <ZeZu> ok
  • [19:10:22] <jkridner|work> In fact, I'd still like to vote for some of the entries in Contest #1 that I think are good enough to get votes. (qemu-omap3).
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  • [19:12:28] <ZeZu> that is pretty cool, its just too bad we couldn't use it to test with
  • [19:12:45] <ZeZu> our other developer doesn't have a beagle and we were hoping to get him one
  • [19:12:58] <mib_ur1wie> anyone know if the kit comes with the dlp and beagle board, this here http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=296-23836-ND ?
  • [19:12:58] <VVeIrD> hi.. is it normal, that dpkg upgrade takes >1 hour?
  • [19:13:08] <ZeZu> but the code is too much of a mess to release, is the major reason we dont just release it now
  • [19:13:10] <jkridner|work> I really like http://patchwork.kernel.org/project/linux-omap/list/
  • [19:13:12] <VVeIrD> err.. opkg
  • [19:13:43] <jkridner|work> mib_ur1wie: you need to buy the beagleboard separately.
  • [19:13:52] <ZeZu> It has various comments we wouldn't want anyone to see everywhere and needs a huge ammount of cleanup, and it was ported from being strictly a win32 aplication
  • [19:13:58] <jkridner|work> http://dkc1.digikey.com/us/mkt/beagleboard.html
  • [19:14:41] <jkridner|work> mib_ur1wie: also, see http://dkc1.digikey.com/us/mkt/beagleboard.html
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  • [19:17:14] <VVeIrD> plz?
  • [19:17:47] <mib_ur1wie> thanks, I wasnt really needing the DLP, just looked kinda neat. Anyways, so is their a way to do HDMI to VGA? I have a feeling I have to borrow a HDMI to DVI from a friend.
  • [19:18:06] <dev_543> Thanks for your help bgamari :D
  • [19:19:21] <koen> jkridner|work: thanks
  • [19:19:49] <koen> jkridner|work: also: http://patchwork.openembedded.org/project/openembedded/list/
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  • [19:24:28] <bgamari> Nobody has experience with the SoC configuration on Beagle?
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  • [19:27:22] <VVeIrD> *grml* anyone know, if it's normal for `opkg upgrade` to take > 1 hour? ( fresh demo install, sdhc card )
  • [19:27:39] <mru> is it doing anything?
  • [19:27:48] <VVeIrD> as of top, opkg takes > 90%
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  • [19:28:42] <VVeIrD> did not yet check, if fs makes any changes
  • [19:29:01] <mru> vmstat 1
  • [19:31:07] <VVeIrD> not much
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  • [19:33:25] <VVeIrD> kill?
  • [19:33:49] <koen> VVeIrD: it should be solved with r201 of opkg that will enter the feeds tomorrow
  • [19:34:33] <VVeIrD> what for now?
  • [19:34:39] <VVeIrD> kill and wait ?
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  • [20:45:48] <MrAdam> hi. im currently searching for a portable power supply for my beagle board. i found an solar power supply. but im not sure it will work. heres the link: http://www.hb-elektronik.dk/mb_article_details.php?nPos=&saArticle[ID]=13482&VID=2ba57dda2ef5c78caf3ecb0cfa86cffb
  • [20:48:03] <ds2> should work, you might need to build a cable
  • [20:48:23] <ds2> that is if you don't have a USB to barrel cable already
  • [20:48:34] <gcohler> Beagleboard consumes about 0.3 - 0.5 amp at 5VDC. So if your supply can do that, Beagle will likely work.
  • [20:49:04] <MrAdam> thanks for the input.
  • [20:49:14] <MrAdam> ill propably get that one then
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  • [20:54:04] <fop518> u need the beagleboard serial cable to do an initial config of the board, right?
  • [20:55:03] <maelcum|konv> you need it to set the kernel command line in u-boot among other things. it's not a special cable btw.
  • [20:55:44] <maelcum|konv> the easiest way to get one is to buy a COM port bracket thingie for computers with a serial port on the mainboard. just unscrew the cable and plug and use it with the bb.
  • [20:55:46] <ds2> fop518: yes
  • [20:56:08] <ds2> maelcum|konv: only caveat is there are 2 standards used for those so you have about 50-50 change of getting it right
  • [20:56:50] <maelcum|konv> i don't think that whatever the other standard is is very common - it wasn't mentioned where i bought it.
  • [20:57:10] <maelcum|konv> the standard that seems to be common for PCs works with the beagle board.
  • [20:57:42] <fop518> yeah
  • [20:57:46] <fop518> i know its not special
  • [20:57:50] <fop518> but its a pain to find
  • [20:57:52] <fop518> i have one coming
  • [20:58:01] <maelcum|konv> also, once you've disassembled the plug from the bracket you should have access to the soldered connections and can rewire it.
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  • [20:58:05] <fop518> that's not crossed as indicated in the beagleboard faq
  • [20:58:09] <maelcum|konv> just get it used from ebay for next to nothing
  • [20:58:20] <fop518> my soldering skills are a bit lacking, i need to learn some stuff for this project
  • [20:58:38] <fop518> i eventually would love to drive an LCD on the rev c board, but im gonna need help on that one
  • [20:58:54] <fop518> yeah, i found a place online that sells em for 2.99 (the serial cable)
  • [20:58:57] <MrAdam> anyone got any info on where you can get laptop lcd displays. and controllers that connects to the beagle?
  • [20:59:29] <fop518> anything with an HDMI or dvi connector will work
  • [20:59:45] <fop518> there are places that sell raw LCDs and controllers for DIY projector projects
  • [20:59:53] <ds2> depends on brand of the motherboard it is inteded for
  • [21:00:12] <MrAdam> its intended for my beagle of course :)
  • [21:00:27] <fop518> pixelworks and msi make controllers that can be used for a variety of LCDS and have hdmi/vga/rca inputs
  • [21:00:54] <fop518> look on google, there are many places that sell stuff for DIY projector projects
  • [21:01:16] <maelcum|konv> hey, that sounds nice. broken laptop + controller + bb = very small and light computer.
  • [21:01:32] <fop518> they are sorta big though
  • [21:01:39] <fop518> much bigger than the beagleboard
  • [21:01:45] <maelcum|konv> heh :)
  • [21:01:57] <fop518> which is why i'd love to see how the rev C driving an LCD directly would work
  • [21:02:24] <maelcum|konv> ime 128 mb is also painful when running a desktop. 256 shoul work much better.
  • [21:02:26] <MrAdam> when is the revision c comming? this month or the next right?
  • [21:02:52] <maelcum|konv> i can run konqueror from kde 4 but it does swap a lot.
  • [21:02:57] <fop518> anyone here use omapfbplay to drive a 720p file? or gst-openmax? i've read it can be done... but curious about how realisitic it is
  • [21:03:10] <fop518> they said march-ish... so who knows
  • [21:03:27] <fop518> my b just came, but half the cables i need are in xsit
  • [21:03:28] <mru> fop518: depends on the file
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  • [21:03:55] <fop518> mru: yeah i figured that... bit rate and type of h264 specifics vary alot
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  • [21:04:27] <maelcum|konv> i've seen testing of rev c boards mentioned here. i would expect further testing and manufacturing preparations to take another couple of weeks.
  • [21:04:39] <maelcum|konv> i.e. looks like march is realistic
  • [21:04:42] <fop518> but what about a fairly non-cpu intense 720p h264 in the 6mbit range
  • [21:05:07] <fop518> also, i think i'm going to try and contact TI about getting access to their decode codecs
  • [21:05:19] <ds2> learn write better code! 128M is not that small
  • [21:05:19] <fop518> maybe i have to buy an evm, but the codecs seem to be free right?
  • [21:05:56] <fop518> i'm pretty confused about what to expect in terms of omapfbplay/mplayer(neon) vs openmax and gst vs whatever TI has
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  • [21:06:13] <maelcum|konv> ds2: as you may know it's a tradeoff, and kde developers have more work than time already.
  • [21:06:43] <fop518> i have the capacity to make the 720p file in any way necessary, so that shouldnt be an issue...
  • [21:07:12] * maelcum|konv notes that kde 4 runs just fine with 512 mb - like on this university computer here
  • [21:07:51] <fop518> hell, i'm impressed it has 128meg of ram on it...
  • [21:08:11] <mru> there is no way the beagle will play 720p h264
  • [21:08:20] <fop518> ok
  • [21:08:22] <fop518> 720p mpeg2
  • [21:08:27] <fop518> is totally fine
  • [21:08:40] <fop518> i couldnt give a crap about h264... i know its very cpu intense
  • [21:08:54] <fop518> mpeg2 has always looked pretty decent to me... just larger file size
  • [21:08:57] <maelcum|konv> mru: not even when using the gpu, the neon unit and the dsp? are you sure?
  • [21:09:18] <maelcum|konv> with the current driver situation this is of course not possible, but in theory...
  • [21:09:25] <fop518> maelcum: that's what i'd love to know, its hard to find any info about ppl doing it though
  • [21:09:37] <fop518> i'm sure some of TI's comercial partners are doing it? (maybe?)
  • [21:09:54] <fop518> i'd be happy with 720p mjpeg files even
  • [21:10:28] <fop518> that should be less cpu intensive right? but more data bandwith on the bus...
  • [21:10:31] <mru> there are commercial codecs that split the work between dsp and neon, and they can't do 720p h264
  • [21:10:44] <ds2> maelcum|konv: yes and there are more users then developers. It is not an excuse to squader resources
  • [21:11:04] <maelcum|konv> i would imagine that the gpu could help e.g. with the filtering
  • [21:11:15] <mru> I doubt it
  • [21:11:20] <fop518> mru: sure but h264 is hard on the cpu... wouldnt mpeg2 make more sense or even mjpeg?
  • [21:11:42] <fop518> no one is expecting 40mbit vc1 on this thing ;p
  • [21:12:12] <fop518> but say, i have a sigma embedded board that i think is mips based that can do 1080i mpeg2 decodes at about 25mbits no problem
  • [21:12:24] <fop518> wondering if the beagle could do this (or 720p)
  • [21:12:32] <maelcum|konv> ds2: feel free to join the team. note that the most highly voted bug reports on bugs.kde.org are not about memory usage.
  • [21:12:40] <mru> fop518: that's not decoding on the mips cpu
  • [21:12:47] <fop518> right
  • [21:12:48] <mru> it has a very specialised dsp
  • [21:12:51] <fop518> it has a sigma dsp
  • [21:13:05] <mru> a dsp that can do very little except decode mpeg2
  • [21:13:07] <ds2> maelcum|konv: I prefer apps using Athena widgets so....
  • [21:13:15] <fop518> mru: no, i know... u'r right
  • [21:13:23] <fop518> mru: its also about 5-6 years old ;p
  • [21:13:23] <maelcum|konv> oh. yeah, that's fine. keep using them.
  • [21:14:14] <fop518> mru: just wondering about the feasibility of say mpeg2... i mean that elephants dream file ppl tested with was 720p mpeg4 right at 24fps? i havent seen it, but i'm sure its a reasonable test...
  • [21:14:35] <fop518> a cartoon with some movement and a decent bitrate
  • [21:16:59] <mru> cartoons are very easy on the cpu
  • [21:17:15] <fop518> yeah
  • [21:17:19] <fop518> also right
  • [21:17:37] <fop518> but there are neon optimized jpeg routines right? mjpeg has to be easy on a cpu right?
  • [21:18:06] <mru> mjpeg should be easier to decode, but the bitrate is higher of course
  • [21:18:12] <fop518> yeah
  • [21:18:24] <mru> ffmpeg should have optimised jpeg decoding
  • [21:18:32] <fop518> i've seen decent 720 mjpegs at 60mbit a second
  • [21:18:43] <fop518> u think that's too much IO for the beagle?
  • [21:19:55] <maelcum|konv> usb is ~400 mbit so it should be possible from disk or network
  • [21:20:13] <maelcum|konv> sd card too
  • [21:20:17] <fop518> sure
  • [21:20:27] <fop518> but that's in theory
  • [21:20:34] <mru> if the bitrate is too high, cpu time in bitstream parsing will kill you
  • [21:20:42] <mru> and that's much harder to optimise
  • [21:20:43] <fop518> are ppl really getting 25 megabytes a second throughput on this thing?
  • [21:21:08] <fop518> mru: i figured there would be some issue here with higher bit rates
  • [21:21:13] <maelcum|konv> i would imagine that whatever comes after getting the data into the cpu is heavier anyway
  • [21:21:26] <MrAdam> you should try mplayer with coreavc
  • [21:21:37] <maelcum|konv> fop518: throughput does seem to be quite good, but i haven't tested anything.
  • [21:21:40] <fop518> is coreavc neon optimized?
  • [21:21:41] <mru> coreavc won't do you any good on arm
  • [21:21:45] <mru> afaik
  • [21:21:47] <MrAdam> okay...
  • [21:21:53] <fop518> mru: they do mention an arm sdk though
  • [21:22:00] <mru> oh
  • [21:22:02] <mru> didn't know that
  • [21:22:03] <MrAdam> well... it's good on my wind ;)
  • [21:22:04] <fop518> mru: for windowce devices they make plugins for
  • [21:22:18] <fop518> mru: i was gonna contact them, but well i havent gotten around to it yet
  • [21:22:30] <fop518> mru: they mention linux... but not necessary linux arm
  • [21:22:55] <fop518> also i dont think there regular downloadable/buyable version is arm based
  • [21:22:58] <mru> and arm doesn't necessarily mean neon
  • [21:23:04] <fop518> and there is no meniton of neon
  • [21:23:06] <fop518> yeah
  • [21:23:34] <fop518> i would have to contact them about there sdk
  • [21:23:51] <maelcum|konv> i was thinking of pixel shaders for the h264 in-loop filtering btw when i mentioned using the gpu for decoding. which needs hardware with pixel shaders.
  • [21:24:06] <maelcum|konv> which is irrelevant for now, so i'll be quiet
  • [21:24:12] <fop518> i think h264 is just a bad idea on this board
  • [21:24:23] <fop518> so i'm going to look into mpeg2 and mjpeg
  • [21:24:40] <mru> h264 is a good idea at resolutions the beagle can handle
  • [21:24:46] <fop518> sure
  • [21:24:59] <fop518> i meant for 720p of course...
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  • [21:26:22] <fop518> a few commercial companies mention 720p mpeg4 on the omap... like Ittiam from india... but they wanted 50k or something
  • [21:26:40] <mru> yeah
  • [21:26:43] <fop518> or so the guy at krane computing said in his polite response
  • [21:26:58] <mru> the ittiam codec uses dsp and neon
  • [21:27:03] <fop518> TI mentioned optimized jpeg decode routines
  • [21:27:13] <fop518> do TI's free codecs with their EVM use both dsp and neon
  • [21:27:19] <mru> only dsp
  • [21:27:20] <mru> afaik
  • [21:27:50] <fop518> how much faster is the 6500 davinci board
  • [21:27:56] <fop518> not 6500 but somehting like that?
  • [21:28:03] <mru> depends on the task
  • [21:28:07] <mru> its dsp is faster
  • [21:28:12] <mru> the arm core is much slower
  • [21:28:28] <fop518> ahh... than the beagle? that's why they use that has their HD evm?
  • [21:28:39] <fop518> makes sense if they have DSP codecs
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  • [21:29:47] <fop518> mru: have you seen any of the openmax gstreamer stuff working on the beagle?
  • [21:30:08] <mru> not seen
  • [21:30:43] <fop518> that guy felipe comes here though, huh? i'll have to look around for him
  • [21:31:02] <fop518> that's just dsp too though of course
  • [21:32:47] <fop518> on2 has a neon specific codec
  • [21:33:31] <mru> if you find one that's faster than ffmpeg on arm+neon only, that's a bug in ffmpeg ;-)
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  • [21:34:37] <fop518> mru: oh, you are certain that ffmpeg with neon optimizations is going to be faster than anything else? or are you joking... i cant tell
  • [21:34:56] <Crofton|work> fop518, ffmpeg is the best
  • [21:35:05] <mru> I want ffmpeg to be the best
  • [21:35:13] <mru> if it's not, I'll try hard to make it so
  • [21:35:18] <fop518> and you guys think its jpeg decode is arm/neon optimized?
  • [21:35:28] <mru> let me check
  • [21:36:30] <fop518> oh, some googling just revealed to me why mru wants ffmpeg to be the best ;p
  • [21:37:20] <mru> the ffmpeg jpeg decoder definitely uses neon
  • [21:37:28] <ds2> is ffmpeg legal in most of the civilized world?
  • [21:37:48] <mru> ffmpeg is legal everywhere as far as we know
  • [21:37:54] <mru> you might need a patent license though
  • [21:38:08] <ds2> I see.
  • [21:38:12] <fop518> mru: cool... thanks for checking
  • [21:38:33] <mru> ds2: what would be illegal about ffmpeg?
  • [21:39:10] <ds2> mru: IP/patent stuff is what i was trying to figure out... seems like a lot of distros don't ship mplayer and its related code
  • [21:39:46] <mru> that's because they don't want to ship stuff that people would need to obtain third-party licenses to use
  • [21:40:07] <mru> distributing ffmpeg is perfectly legal
  • [21:40:24] <mru> using without a patent license might not be, depending on where you are
  • [21:41:01] <fop518> hrm, i have some high bit mjpeg .avi 1080p files... anyone want to test one out on a beagle ;p
  • [21:42:28] <fop518> i'll take that as a no... hah
  • [21:46:14] <fop518> bah, you guys are no fun... thanks for the info though... i'll keep u posted on what i find out
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  • [22:45:43] <mib_v6ycjl> my keyboard is not working on the beagleboard. any one know what might be the probem?
  • [22:48:16] <Vegar> is the USB port in host-mode?
  • [22:49:03] <mib_v6ycjl> how do i check that?
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  • [23:02:42] <ZeZu> __clear_cache() doesn't appear to be working for me ...
  • [23:03:03] <ZeZu> even in conjunction w/ isb,dsb, dmb
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  • [23:09:29] <ZeZu> takes a while to determine the cause of problems in a jit but ...
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  • [23:19:24] <mru> just in time debugging...
  • [23:20:11] <ds2> isn't that call a being instructed by your boss's boss's boss's (....) to drop everything and fix a customer before he/she/it demands a full refund? :D
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  • [23:55:23] <jkridner|work> ZeZu: do you have any videos of your system running?
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  • [23:59:18] <ZeZu> jkridner|work: I could make one of it running the bios, I haven't implemented textures, i've been too busy with the recompiler