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  • [00:23:15] <mru> would there be a market for a voodoo doll of ulrich drepper?
  • [00:25:04] <ZeZu> seems likely
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  • [01:42:35] <atin_away> sakoman: ping?
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  • [01:43:19] <sakoman> atin_: pong
  • [01:43:38] <atin_> hey, what's the gitorous path to get at omap3-dev-usb?
  • [01:43:58] <atin_> I have been using your site, but its slow :)
  • [01:44:46] <sakoman> The URL is listed on the gitweb page: http://www.sakoman.net/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=u-boot-omap3.git;a=summary
  • [01:45:08] <sakoman> you've likely been using the third one - use the first one instead
  • [01:45:13] <atin_> got it, thanks.
  • [01:45:32] <atin_> yes, I've been using the third, "mainline" got me thinking it was something else.
  • [01:46:00] <sakoman> yeah, it is confusing, but it is much faster than my dsl connection :-)
  • [01:46:16] <atin_> yes, I can see :) - thanks! back to the game.
  • [01:46:23] <sakoman> good luck!
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  • [04:32:46] <kulve> koen: where did that pixman patch come from?
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  • [05:33:54] <jkridner_> khasim: recommend you look at http://www.beagleboard.org/gitweb/?p=u-boot-arm.git;a=shortlog;h=try-musb-20090201
  • [05:34:04] <jkridner_> talk to you in the morning.
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  • [05:52:43] <mib_4ma83a> hey we are planning to develop a hand held device that can be used to read e documents...we are currently developing it on AVR32 NGW100 board.... so wat do u think shud we continue with NGW100 or shud we switch to beagle board ?? please give me the merits and demerits of this board...
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  • [05:53:31] <Shivdas> Hi, has anyone tested MMCPlus cards with Beagleboard.. and am not able to load uImage using "fatload" ?
  • [05:54:32] <mib_4ma83a> can anyone give me the merits of beagle board over AVR32 NGW100???/
  • [05:55:04] <Shivdas> Hi Khasim, does MMCplus cards are supported with Beagleboard u-boot?
  • [05:55:13] <khasim> Shivdas: I think I have tested it
  • [05:55:34] <khasim> how have you formatted the card ?
  • [05:55:53] <Shivdas> khasim : on linux
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  • [05:56:26] <khasim> Can you try the HP Disk utility
  • [05:56:40] <khasim> http://selfdestruct.net/misc/usbboot/SP27213.exe
  • [05:56:52] <Shivdas> khasim : I am testing it with B7 and B4? ok I will try with this utility
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  • [05:58:20] <Shivdas> Khasim : FYI, I am using Transcend MMCplus 1GB cards...
  • [05:58:22] <Eanmig> anyone getting any unknown huffman code errors from webcams using 2.6.28?
  • [05:58:59] <khasim> Shivdas: I don't remember the make, but I have tested all types of cards...
  • [05:59:42] <Eanmig> im getting those errors and half good, half garbled images coming from any UVC viewer
  • [05:59:45] <Shivdas> Khasim: I will try this and let you know the status..
  • [06:02:02] <khasim> sure
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  • [06:04:33] <mib_nri4jz> has anyone of you tried 3d acceleration
  • [06:06:50] <kulve> mib_nri4jz: it's still closed source and a bit hard to obtain
  • [06:08:36] <tomba> mib_nri4jz: I have tried it
  • [06:10:05] <khasim> kulve: you know whick app in angstrom can open pdf
  • [06:10:11] <khasim> which...
  • [06:10:46] * khasim will be right back
  • [06:14:32] <kulve> khasim: No, but I guess there might be several: xpdf, evince..
  • [06:19:53] <mib_nri4jz> kulve: what should i do to get it
  • [06:20:18] <kulve> mib_nri4jz: ask TI
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  • [06:26:16] <mib_nri4jz> i read somewhere only the codecs are closed. is there a kernel patch
  • [06:27:23] <pundiramit> Hi, did anyone try running a GtkClutter application or test-examples on OMAP3? I can run clutter test examples but getting some errors when I'm trying to run any Gtk-Clutter application.
  • [06:28:34] <kulve> mib_nri4jz: there's some kernel patches but, afaik, they are still not working nicely..
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  • [06:52:34] <Shivdas> Khasim: Thanks, MMCplus card works well now, one of my colleague has formatted using "ubuntu partition editor", which was creating problems. With Windows tool and using fdisk both works fine..
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  • [07:13:10] <garren|work> morning all
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  • [07:23:13] <davidwang> can anybody tell me why rev c2 doesn't reserve camera connector on pcb?
  • [07:24:08] <kulve> davidwang: you would probably get an answer for that on the mailing list. That seems to be quite popular topic there..
  • [07:24:09] <davidwang> I don't like overo
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  • [07:31:02] <davidwang> no any question about camera interface there
  • [07:32:04] <davidwang> it is easy to reserve camera interface on pcb,but not!
  • [07:32:45] <kulve> it's not easy. You have to consider the available space and the money
  • [07:33:17] <kulve> everybody wants something there
  • [07:33:54] <ds2> it isn't just space, bring out more pins == needed more layers
  • [07:34:08] <ds2> there aren't exactly space between the balls to run traces
  • [07:34:23] <mib_nri4jz> davidwang: you can use evm
  • [07:34:51] <kulve> davidwang: no need to start using prv message
  • [07:34:51] <kulve> s
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  • [07:38:07] <davidwang> but evm is too expensive!!!!
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  • [07:40:17] <methril> morning
  • [07:40:51] <onlyoneknife> good afternoon
  • [07:41:42] <ds2> and where are you getting cheap cameras?
  • [07:41:54] <tomba> how much is evm?
  • [07:42:32] <stimp> anyone know how to use 32bpp? i tried "DefaultDepth 32" but X error. -> (EE) omapfb(0): Weight given (000) is inconsistent with the depth (32)
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  • [07:50:40] <stimp> (i'm just still trying to 3d acceleration)
  • [07:52:30] <kulve> stimp: do you have the latest xf86-video-omapfb? I think that error should be fixed already
  • [07:54:49] <davidwang> evm from TI may be 1000 dollars!
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  • [07:56:49] <davidwang> You can go to TI web site
  • [08:04:56] <davidwang> hi
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  • [08:13:04] <tomba> oh, well, the EVM is then cheap compared to SDP board =)
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  • [08:16:02] <stimp> kulve:thanks. i will try latest version again.
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  • [08:20:25] <koen> kulve: Ian at ARM ltd wrote it and then sent it to me :)
  • [08:20:57] <kulve> have you tested it already?
  • [08:21:45] <kulve> we have some neon patch for pixman, but it's untested: http://linux.onarm.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=37
  • [08:22:58] <koen> kulve: that's the old (broken) version :)
  • [08:25:42] <kulve> ok, need to test than one. The comments on the old one weren't very promising :)
  • [08:30:00] <koen> kulve: I pointed Ian to xf86-video-omapfb colour conversions and he said "OK will see what I can do... It looks relatively simple (famous last words)"
  • [08:30:26] <kulve> koen: thanks :)
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  • [08:54:41] <khasim> koen: ping
  • [08:58:18] <koen> khasim: pong
  • [08:58:56] <khasim> koen: do you have a pdf reader in angstrom
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  • [08:59:11] <koen> 4 or 5 last I checked
  • [08:59:27] <koen> evince, epdfview, epdf, fbreader, opie-reader
  • [08:59:29] <khasim> I checked the same with kulve this morning, thought of confirming the same with you
  • [09:00:18] <khasim> koen: I am using your default rootfs, this doesnt show any of these
  • [09:00:29] <khasim> can opkg get one of these ?
  • [09:00:33] <koen> yes
  • [09:01:24] <koen> khasim: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/ca6b2457b6dd2c9206122870577b3317.png :)
  • [09:02:04] <khasim> thanks, will try this out
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  • [09:04:46] <kulve> koen: could you point me to midori recipies in OE? I can't find 'em..
  • [09:05:04] <kulve> I'm trying to search under openembedded/tree/packages
  • [09:05:15] <koen> they are in packages/gtk-webcorek
  • [09:05:31] <koen> hysterical raisins
  • [09:05:40] <kulve> thanks
  • [09:05:59] <koen> I guess you discovered the 'joys' of waf?
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  • [09:06:32] <kulve> ?
  • [09:06:54] <koen> they dumped autotools and are now using 'waf'
  • [09:07:11] <kulve> hmm.
  • [09:08:06] <kulve> what version of webkit are you using with that?
  • [09:10:15] <koen> 39964
  • [09:10:26] <koen> but still with curl as backend
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  • [09:40:51] <recalcati> hello everybody
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  • [09:53:54] <koen> ionice -n7 -c3 <pid of rsync> and the server isn't in 90% iowait again
  • [09:54:10] <koen> ~lart mickeyl for not (io)nicing rsync by default
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  • [10:04:34] <RobertK> good morning
  • [10:05:13] <RobertK> I've got a problem: DSS does not work :-(
  • [10:05:30] <RobertK> Kernel 2.6.28-omap1, patches from OE
  • [10:05:43] <RobertK> Commandline: setenv bootargs 'console=ttyS2,115200n8 console=tty0 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootdelay=2 rootfstype=ext2 rw omapfb.video_mode=640x480MR-32@60 omapfb.debug=y'
  • [10:05:51] <RobertK> but: omapfb omapfb: can't get display 0
  • [10:05:53] <RobertK> any ideas?
  • [10:06:58] <RobertK> whole log: http://widget.mibbit.com/pb/zr48eG
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  • [10:10:33] <koen> RobertK: is your cmdline getting parsed correctly?
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  • [10:11:36] <RobertK> kone: I hope so. The only error is: "Unknown boot option `omapfb.debug=y': ignoring"
  • [10:11:43] <RobertK> ups, sorry, koen!
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  • [10:13:01] <koen> console=ttyS2,115200n8 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rw rootfstype=ext3 rootwait video=omapfb:vram:2M,vram:4M,mode:640x480@60 omapfb.video_mode=640x480MR-16@60 omapfb.vram=4M,4M,4M
  • [10:13:09] <koen> that's the gremlin I use
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  • [10:15:57] <RobertK> koen: I tried the same without success.
  • [10:17:57] <RobertK> I just see that I did not enalbe "generic panel" in kernel config. Just compiling....
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  • [10:19:36] <RobertK> ...and here it is a display again. Stupid error!
  • [10:20:38] <tomba> stupid error or user? =)
  • [10:20:52] <RobertK> tomba: both :-)
  • [10:21:45] <RobertK> tomba: while looking at drivers/video/modedb.c...
  • [10:22:06] <RobertK> ...perhaps it would be a good idea to have a mode for 480x320 (the native resolution for the pico)
  • [10:23:15] <tomba> send me a pico and I'll do it ;)
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  • [10:27:54] <recalcati> RobertK: 480x320 is the same of Palm Pre with omap34x (I think omap3 mobile version)
  • [10:31:45] <RobertK> tomba: If i get the pico back - no problem!
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  • [10:58:20] <stimp> koen,kulve: Many thanks!! sgx sample binary is running !!! < 2.6.28 & koen's console setting & etc(?)
  • [11:07:41] <florian> koen: good idea about gpe-mini-browser2
  • [11:07:53] <kulve> stimp: nic
  • [11:07:53] <kulve> e
  • [11:12:07] <koen_> florian: The autobuilder was uploading way too many tarballs ;)
  • [11:14:10] <florian> heh
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  • [11:29:13] <khasim> root@beagleboard:~# opkg install evince epdfview
  • [11:29:13] <khasim> An error ocurred, return value: 3.
  • [11:29:29] <khasim> koen: any suggestions on this?
  • [11:29:58] <koen_> Did you do opkg update?
  • [11:30:19] <khasim> nope
  • [11:30:45] <khasim> koen: is this related to network
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  • [11:31:29] <koen> no, you need to have a list of package first before you can install any
  • [11:31:53] <khasim> ok
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  • [11:56:29] <CarlMle> Hi, I've just seen the online image builder from the angstrom/openembedded, whats the difference between base small,reg and extended ?
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  • [12:01:20] <jkridner> good morning all.
  • [12:02:05] <DJWillis> Morning jkridner
  • [12:02:15] <jkridner> hi DJWillis
  • [12:02:39] <mru> morning jkridner
  • [12:02:46] <jkridner> hi mru
  • [12:04:44] <khasim> jkridner: good morning
  • [12:05:24] <jkridner> hi khasim
  • [12:05:49] <jkridner> khasim: have you seen all the recent updates to u-boot?
  • [12:05:52] <eFfeM> hi everyone
  • [12:06:19] <khasim> jkridner: I was trying the link you suggested try-musb-20090201
  • [12:06:42] <khasim> this failed for splash screen, I see junk on screen.
  • [12:07:13] <khasim> jkridner: I see three trees on my name :)
  • [12:07:25] <khasim> khasim, for-khasim-rebase and for-khasim
  • [12:07:44] <khasim> which of these is the one I should pull the patches from
  • [12:07:57] <jkridner> I just saw dirk2's note that several other patches are accepted, but I don't see them all in the mainline.
  • [12:08:07] <jkridner> khasim is just a clone of your tree.
  • [12:08:15] <khasim> ok
  • [12:08:33] <jkridner> for-khasim builds on top of that with some patches I think we should have.
  • [12:08:57] <khasim> so, shall I consider for-khasim as the baseline for u-boot?
  • [12:08:58] <jkridner> for-khasim-rebase adds those patches, but does it on top of mainline code.
  • [12:09:04] <jkridner> no
  • [12:09:43] <jkridner> try-musb-20090201 is rebased on mainline, but adds musb code.
  • [12:10:56] <khasim> yeah, I saw that. I was wondering as to which one of these to be considered for the final one
  • [12:11:03] <jkridner> some patches I don't have in try-musb-20090201 are "Add OMAP3 auto detection"
  • [12:11:10] <jkridner> I don't see that in the mainline.
  • [12:11:20] <khasim> also, the splash screen is not working
  • [12:12:09] <khasim> I would like to add the i2c bus, reset.scr features to the u-boot and finalize it for production
  • [12:12:19] <jkridner> correct, the splash screen is not working on any recent build that I've seen, including the splash screen I got from you.
  • [12:13:04] <khasim> so, 1) i2c multibus support 2) splash screen 3) reset.scr are pending in u-boot
  • [12:13:05] <jkridner> I also don't see "Add serial number based on die ID" in the mainline.
  • [12:14:11] <khasim> my version of u-boot was baselined of sakoman's tree. I am not sure if we have to move to mainline now....?
  • [12:14:16] <jkridner> where is the patch for #1?
  • [12:14:32] <jkridner> I have a reset.scr in try-musb-20090201
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  • [12:18:45] <khasim> I have patch for 1) against our gitorious tree for u-boot validation
  • [12:19:02] <khasim> I think I will use this as baseline instead of moving to mainline
  • [12:19:39] <khasim> I will pull the reset.scr and other patches that you wanted me to integrate from "for-khasim"
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  • [12:20:41] <khasim> jkridner: any other thoughts for this?
  • [12:20:46] <jkridner> khasim: with u-boot mainline, what is the point of producing a patch against your gitorious tree?
  • [12:21:05] <jkridner> do you have a lot of testing cycles into it?
  • [12:21:10] <khasim> jkridner: time
  • [12:21:58] * jkridner is not the best on discipline, but I find the lack of a good splash screen in *any* of them to be an issue.
  • [12:22:05] <khasim> jkridner: we had all these validated on gitorious and few patches were missing, now moving to mainline will have to re-do the patch series and validate
  • [12:22:26] <jkridner> redoing the patch series is trivial with git.
  • [12:23:09] <jkridner> validation time is real, but patch generation is automated.
  • [12:24:33] <jkridner> I'd say focus on getting a splash screen that works on any tree, because I think it is broken.
  • [12:25:00] <jkridner> unless we somehow decide we can skip the splash screen.
  • [12:25:02] <jkridner> ?
  • [12:25:05] <khasim> :) - which tree is the question ....
  • [12:26:19] <khasim> we have multiple requirements for splash screen in u-boot, if we opt for one, then it is easy to make it possible.
  • [12:26:45] <khasim> or atleast if I know some thing is good in kernel. then I can pull out the register settings in u-boot.
  • [12:27:45] <khasim> I think I will take for-khasim-rebase as the baseline as it is based off from mainline and has other patches to it.
  • [12:27:55] <khasim> I can now add I2c and splash screen to it.
  • [12:29:07] <khasim> shall I go ahead with this plan ?
  • [12:29:11] <jkridner> I sent e-mail to the beagleboard mailing list of how to boot in a good video mode for HDTVs and the Pico Projector.
  • [12:29:51] <jkridner> my preference is try-musb-20090201, because I find that the musb code is good.
  • [12:29:55] <khasim> I saw that, but it is for 1280x720
  • [12:30:04] <jkridner> correct.
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  • [12:30:31] <khasim> does it work for angstrom as well?
  • [12:30:51] <jkridner> I am able to boot angstrom with try-musb-20090201.
  • [12:33:07] <khasim> ok, then I can add splash and i2c to try-musb-2009201
  • [12:34:15] <khasim> first I will add I2c and then I will boot the kernel with your option, get the register configuration and put the same in u-boot, this should get you splash screen that works for pico and hdtvs and hopefully for other my DVI as well
  • [12:34:26] * khasim will be right back.
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  • [12:54:12] <khasim> jkridner: I will not be validating musb patches in u-boot for validation...
  • [12:54:27] <khasim> will take it later after we freeze on rev c u-boot
  • [12:55:13] <jkridner> can you define the risks of leaving the patch in? the user impact is huge.
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  • [12:55:31] <jkridner> so many people cannot recover their systems because they have screwed-up serial connections.
  • [12:56:56] <khasim> lets have these patches as is, but if we need to provide some instructions on usage on wiki then it will take some time
  • [12:57:41] <eFfeM> jkridner: referring to your Q from half an hour ago: for hdtv the best video mode is 720p60
  • [12:57:44] * khasim working on getting splash screen working with try-musb-20090201
  • [12:57:49] <jkridner> I think those can come later if you can approve leaving the patch in.
  • [12:58:14] <jkridner> 1280x720MR-24@60 *is* 720p60, by my understanding.
  • [12:58:36] <mru> HDMI 720p60 does *not* have reduced blanking
  • [12:58:40] <koen> right
  • [12:58:44] <mru> there would be no room for audio if it did
  • [12:58:51] <koen> 1280x720M-24@60 is 720p60
  • [12:58:55] <khasim> jkridner: I am assuming that we are using DSI PLL for driving the display clock in kernel.
  • [12:58:56] <jkridner> khasim: I believe we should push the community to do some testing of the release.
  • [12:59:05] <mru> what does the M signify?
  • [12:59:11] <jkridner> oh, right. forgot about that "R".
  • [13:00:11] <jkridner> the "M", I believe, tries to get to a VESA standard.
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  • [13:01:42] <jkridner> khasim: yes.
  • [13:01:53] <mru> the HDMI modes are defined by CEA-861B
  • [13:01:55] <jkridner> the mailing list has a lot of clock details.
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  • [13:03:31] <khasim> jkridner: yes, but taking dsi pll to u-boot is bit complicated
  • [13:03:46] <khasim> dsi pll based clocking in u-boot
  • [13:09:10] <koen> DJWillis: http://flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/3247570132/
  • [13:10:00] <DJWillis> koen: sweet, i'll be off to bake that later.
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  • [13:14:30] <koen> DJWillis: wpa-supplicant needs a bit of a looking at, and connman-applet needs systray
  • [13:14:34] <koen> but the basics seen to be working
  • [13:15:01] <DJWillis> koen: wpa-supplicant always seems to need work ;-)
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  • [13:16:58] <garren|work_> koen: what usb wifi do you have?
  • [13:17:10] <koen> garren|work_: the cheapest one at the store :)
  • [13:17:22] <koen> rtl8187 driver
  • [13:18:11] <koen> sitecom wl168
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  • [13:24:41] <garren|work_> koen: ok, I have one of the belkin wifi I'll try that later... do I need to add anything to my OE build to get the wifi drivers added?
  • [13:25:20] <koen> they should all be enable in the kernel defconfig
  • [13:26:09] <CarlMle> i sorry to ask again but can anyone point me towards the differences between Small, Reg and Large base systems for the online image builder?
  • [13:26:13] <CarlMle> hi even
  • [13:26:51] <koen> CarlMle: did you click on the links?
  • [13:26:57] <garren|work_> koen: cool thanks, I'll just add conman to my image
  • [13:32:26] <CarlMle> koen: ohh i see... i missed the depends list :)
  • [13:32:38] <eFfeM> garren|work_: I have tried both zd1211 and prism54 ones with success
  • [13:33:20] <garren|work_> eFfeM: cool, I think my belkin is a rtlxxxx driver...
  • [13:33:36] <eFfeM> you only need to add the firmware; i've already added info to http://www.elinux.org/BeagleBoard/James#Adding_WiFi_support
  • [13:34:05] <eFfeM> if rtlxxx works for you feel free to add some info to that section; i do not have an rtl based dongle
  • [13:35:23] <eFfeM> actually I might have one; there is one unidentified dongle here
  • [13:35:34] * eFfeM rummages into his box with usb devices
  • [13:36:30] * koen was lucky enough to have picked a dongle supported by linux that doesn't require firmware
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  • [13:38:15] <eFfeM> lucky you, i actually had return an el cheapo dongle because it had a different chipset than advertised, apparenlty they changed the product without changing the name
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  • [13:41:12] <koen> DJWillis: what does craig mean with "It???s not very optimised" ?
  • [13:41:21] <koen> DJWillis: is he using the armv4t build?
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  • [13:48:14] <DJWillis> koen: huh, in what context? (sorry, sort of stopped reading anything about the Pandora ;-))
  • [13:51:00] <mru> are the people who make the pandora any more clued up than the fools trolling their forums?
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  • [13:52:19] <DJWillis> mru: ;-). Some are.
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  • [13:58:45] <Crofton|work> users, can't live with them, can't live without them
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  • [13:59:34] <DJWillis> Crofton|work: amen to that ;-)
  • [14:00:03] * mru can live without them
  • [14:00:14] <mru> it's not like they're paying or anything...
  • [14:01:23] <ogra> they spread your stuff which gains you QA
  • [14:02:08] <tomba> koen & others: I pushed new DSS2 patch set to my tree under test branch. any testing is appreciated =).
  • [14:03:13] <DJWillis> tomba: still easy to backport that to .27 as early DSS2 was?
  • [14:04:08] <DJWillis> mru: I guess you could argue that users get the support they pay for ;-).
  • [14:04:15] <tomba> DJWillis: yes, except you need to find the clock etc. patches needed to make it run
  • [14:04:52] <mru> DJWillis: they get far more than that
  • [14:05:01] <DJWillis> tomba: I did have it all going at some point but I know my branch will have rotted.
  • [14:05:26] <khasim> tomba: any particular new feature you want to be tested
  • [14:08:37] <tomba> khasim: no. there's been tons of small changes all around.
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  • [14:19:28] <koen> DJWillis: craig keeps saying all angstrom builds are "not optimized"
  • [14:19:48] <koen> DJWillis: maybe he as an 'optimized' version of tourette syndrom
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  • [14:22:18] <Crofton|work> koen, you should know better than to read forums :)
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  • [14:24:26] <koen> Crofton|work: blogs: http://openpandora.wordpress.com/2009/02/01/video-angstrom-running-on-fdm-prototype/
  • [14:24:44] <Crofton|work> ah
  • [14:25:12] <koen> (ok, that blog aggregates a forum, but still..)
  • [14:25:31] <sakoman> tomba: if I apply your patch set on top of current l-o will I need any additional patches?
  • [14:25:59] <Crofton|work> I think we all know that boot time could be better :)
  • [14:27:11] <DJWillis> koen: it's a full ARMV7 distro and always has. The only thing I can think of is that the interface is not 'optimised' in the sense of being themed etc. for the Pandora and touchscreen (because no one with a board seems to want to work on it ;-)).
  • [14:27:33] <tomba> sakoman: no. the test branch is based on current l-o
  • [14:27:34] <DJWillis> koen: performance is just fine ;-)
  • [14:28:51] <sakoman> tomba: great! I will try it on Overo this week. Will test with both DVI and LCD
  • [14:29:12] <sakoman> tomba: I'll send patches when I have it working
  • [14:30:54] <tomba> sakoman: what kind of displays overo has?
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  • [14:32:05] <DJWillis> tomba: I will try and do some testing with your tree on the Pandora.
  • [14:32:36] <sakoman> tomba: currently shipping version is much like Beagle: DVI-D on HDMI connector
  • [14:33:05] <sakoman> tomba: I am working on a prototype with LCD interface and TS interface
  • [14:33:39] <tomba> sakoman: ok. if the DVI framer is the same as on beagle, it should be trivial task.
  • [14:34:08] <tomba> DJWillis: for pandora I guess you need a new panel driver also
  • [14:34:09] <sakoman> tomba: I see that I will need to do a patch for each LCD panel type
  • [14:34:27] <sakoman> Doesn't look very difficult!
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  • [14:34:59] <DJWillis> tomba: yep, the panel will need a driver, think I can crib the Beagle code for S-Video ;-).
  • [14:35:23] <sakoman> DJWillis: there's a sample Sharp panel in the code IIRC
  • [14:35:43] <tomba> sakoman: depends on the LCD. if your LCD doesn't need any i2c/spi/something controlling, but is just a "dummy" LCD, then the generic panel driver will do if you just set the timings correctly
  • [14:36:08] <DJWillis> sakoman: the 18bit OMAP3EVM one?
  • [14:36:10] <sakoman> tomba: It might need sync polarity changes
  • [14:36:24] <DJWillis> sakoman: oh well, one more thing for the list ;-).
  • [14:36:25] <tomba> but I think it's better to have a separate LCD driver anyway
  • [14:37:10] <sakoman> DJWillis: IIRC it is for a Sharp LCD panel
  • [14:37:20] <sakoman> likely what is used on the evm
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  • [14:38:45] <tomba> but I hope somebody will first test the new patchset with a supported board ;)
  • [14:39:26] <koen> tomba: I'll attempt to boot the evm with 2.6.29rc3 later this week
  • [14:39:42] <tomba> well, I don't have EVM either
  • [14:39:58] <koen> nice that is now has n8xx support :)
  • [14:40:01] <tomba> but any testing is appreciated =). and most likely, it'll work fine
  • [14:40:06] <koen> kulve and zuh will like that
  • [14:40:11] <tomba> koen: yes yes, did you see the commit message =)
  • [14:40:26] <koen> yeah
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  • [14:40:54] <tomba> the blizzard driver was quite a monster, I was not interested in doing a proper port
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  • [15:00:19] <khasim> koen: I was able to do a opkg install for evince and epdfview but dont see these packages
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  • [15:02:00] <koen> khasim: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/9a818b6599ff29bec6016a4a328eb170.png
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  • [15:02:53] <khasim> koen: the other doubt, if I reboot the machine, do I need to redo opkg install ?
  • [15:03:34] <khasim> I am using filesystem on MMC
  • [15:03:40] <koen> no
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  • [15:05:19] <notaz_> DJWillis: just read the logs, I think our current panel driver should work
  • [15:05:33] <notaz_> DJWillis: with some minor modifications maybe
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  • [15:13:18] <garren|work_> koen: how does opkg install to the mmc I thought it created a ramfs?
  • [15:14:00] <koen> opgk has no idea of filesystems
  • [15:14:32] <koen> it is a fancy way to do 'tar zxf foo.tar.gz'
  • [15:16:21] <khasi1> koen: can I download packages and untar them ?
  • [15:16:27] <khasi1> instead of doing a opkg ?
  • [15:16:41] <garren|work_> koen: my understanding on this is a little weak, does the beagleboard load a ramdisk or what type of rootfs does it create and how does it save to MMC?
  • [15:16:48] <koen> khasi1: you don't want to do that
  • [15:16:56] <khasi1> :(
  • [15:17:11] <khasi1> atleast opkg install <downloaded package>
  • [15:17:26] <koen> garren|work_: it runs ext2/3 straight on the mmc
  • [15:17:31] <koen> khasi1: yes, that works
  • [15:17:52] <khasi1> Signiture check for python skipped because GPG support was not enabled in this b
  • [15:17:52] <khasi1> uild
  • [15:18:27] <khasi1> is this some thing to be worried about?
  • [15:18:35] <khasi1> to worry about
  • [15:18:39] <garren|work_> koen: ok that makes sense...
  • [15:19:10] <koen> khasi1: no, that is harmless (and fixed in later opkg versions)
  • [15:20:04] <khasi1> koen: I am able to install epdfview but doesnt show up on the desktop
  • [15:20:28] <koen> khasi1: it doesn't show up in the menus?
  • [15:20:35] <khasi1> koen: nope
  • [15:20:44] <koen> tried logging in and out?
  • [15:21:52] <khasi1> koen: yes tried even log out and in
  • [15:21:52] <DJWillis> notaz_: good to know. Not got around to looking just yet ;-)
  • [15:23:28] <khasi1> koen: http://pastebin.com/m17a79216
  • [15:23:34] <koen> khasi1: and /usr/share/applications/epdfview.desktop exists?
  • [15:24:01] <khasi1> koen: no it doesn't
  • [15:24:13] <koen> then it didn't install
  • [15:24:20] <koen> how old is your rootfs?
  • [15:24:33] <khasi1> koen: I am not sure, shouldn't be too old.
  • [15:25:22] <koen> you could try 'opkg install epdfview -force-overwrite'
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  • [15:28:15] <khasi1> koen: trying this one
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  • [15:31:22] <khasi1> koen: this worked
  • [15:31:37] <khasi1> koen: but the fonts are not getting displayed correctly.
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  • [15:41:07] <garren|work_> koen: who is the guy in the video showing how to install Angstom on the Beagleboard?
  • [15:42:00] <koen> garren|work_: I guess a digikey employee
  • [15:42:08] <garren|work_> ok
  • [15:51:37] <garren|work_> bye all
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  • [15:52:56] <khasi1> koen: thanks for the quick help
  • [15:54:42] <koen> np
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  • [16:36:58] <koen> hmmm
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  • [16:37:41] <koen> someone posted a "what kind of bullets are capable of taking my foot off" type of question on oe-devel
  • [16:39:58] <florian> koen: oh, the one about the toolchains?
  • [16:40:26] <koen> yes
  • [16:40:36] <koen> questions like that scare me
  • [16:40:50] <koen> the inevitable end with "I broke it, plz fix"
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  • [16:41:49] <florian> yeah.. he is in #oe as well. In fact I did understand his original question in a less scary way ;)
  • [16:41:52] <koen> from an OE user POV toolchains are irrelevant
  • [16:42:06] <florian> right
  • [16:42:10] <koen> it's the magic in the black box :)
  • [16:42:25] <Crofton|work> pov?
  • [16:42:37] <koen> point of view
  • [16:43:08] * koen still reads "POS" as "piece of shit" instead of "point of sale"
  • [16:43:52] <garren> is there a way for me to clean out my tmp and remove older files that are no longer needed?
  • [16:44:36] <florian> koen: hehe, I'm workin on a mobile POS right now.
  • [16:45:13] <koen> garren: INHERIT += "rm_work" in local.conf
  • [16:46:21] <sakoman> koen: that doesn't remove old ipk's and images though, right?
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  • [16:46:39] <sakoman> just cleans up the work subdir?
  • [16:48:46] <florian> sakoman: right
  • [16:49:27] <florian> in fact this saves a lot of disk space
  • [16:49:46] <sakoman> florian: yes indeed!
  • [16:50:18] <koen> sakoman: old ipks end up in morgue/
  • [16:50:41] <koen> old images just keep littering deploy_dir_image
  • [16:52:04] <sakoman> koen: right - just wanted to clarify for garren (and myself) what to expect
  • [16:52:12] <Crofton|work> http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/02/first-look-the-maemo-5-multimedia-framework.ars
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  • [16:53:18] <Crofton|work> I suppose I should send something to the list about FOSDEM
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  • [16:54:16] <recalcati> crofton
  • [16:54:45] <recalcati> crofton: I hope Nokia will be able to create a community similar to Iphone one
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  • [16:58:21] <garren> koen: great thanks
  • [16:59:03] * koen stabs apr
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  • [17:01:18] <keesj> I really enjoyed seeing what they did with the upstart stuff(as I have been doing the same kind of stuff)
  • [17:01:26] <keesj> (nokia that is(
  • [17:01:57] * koen hasn't enjoyed building maemo bits outside of scratchbox
  • [17:02:23] <koen> they have tarballs that unpack to "1"
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  • [17:04:02] <florian> heh
  • [17:05:00] <recalcati> koen: S-video and DVI together are possible with rev.B6 ? set bootargs 'console=ttyS2,115200n8 console=tty0 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootdelay=2 rootfstype=ext2 rw video=omapfb:vram:2M,vram:4M,mode:1024x768@60 omapfb.video_mode=1280x720MR-24@60 omapfb.vram=4M,4M,4M omapfb.debug=y omap-dss.debug=y '
  • [17:05:23] * koen advices to use 'rootwait' and ext3
  • [17:05:32] <koen> but yes, you can use both dvi and svideo
  • [17:05:35] <florian> :-)
  • [17:05:42] <koen> however an overlay can only point to one output
  • [17:05:45] <keesj> I still have somewhat mixed feelings about sbox/SDK v.s. OE v.s. some debian install with "on target" compiling
  • [17:05:50] * florian had this working too
  • [17:06:03] <koen> so you have fast video on either DVI _or_ svideo
  • [17:06:04] <keesj> I think OE can provide all of that and perhaps should
  • [17:06:31] <recalcati> you mean not 60hz to both
  • [17:06:34] <koen> keesj: it's not about buidsystems, it's about the idiots at nokia messing up basic points of doing a tarball release
  • [17:06:36] <keesj> (that much what mamona was doing)
  • [17:07:07] <tomba> koen: why can't you have fast video on both?
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  • [17:07:27] <koen> keesj: e.g. maemo-control-center-0.5.tar.gz unpacks to "1" and libhildon-1.0.tar.gz as well
  • [17:07:35] <recalcati> by now my S-video is really not good, I have awful horizontal lines
  • [17:07:40] <koen> tomba: because you said the hardware doesn't support it :)
  • [17:08:37] <tomba> koen: what? no I haven't =). depends of course what you mean with fast video. there are two overlays, one can go to tv and the other to LCD
  • [17:09:05] <koen> right
  • [17:09:21] <koen> but pushing pixels to both overlays is kinda wastefull
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  • [17:10:32] <garren> koen: Just ot clarify I add INHERIT += "rm_work" and then when I build my next image it will clean out the old files?
  • [17:11:02] <tomba> well, if you want an image on two displays, you pretty much have to feed the pixels to the display. but if you mean that you need two copies of the framebuffer in RAM, you don't. two overlays can have the same memory location as input
  • [17:11:25] <tomba> recalcati: PAL and NTSC resolutions are fixed, you can't have better resolution
  • [17:11:41] <koen> garren: mostly
  • [17:11:56] <garren> cool thanks
  • [17:12:19] <recalcati> spruf98b fig.15-1: the display controller send 24bit digital data to TV out encoder (I see PAL and NTSC) and LCD data to SDI Complex IO
  • [17:12:22] <tomba> recalcati: and for the DVI, it may be that your monitor just doesn't support the custom timings used
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  • [17:13:23] <tomba> recalcati: digital data to _tv out encoder_, which then encodes it into PAL or NTSC and sends it outside. as analog data, of course
  • [17:13:25] <recalcati> At home I've done with 2.6.27 the test with 720p, this evening I'll try the new 2.6.28 DSS driver
  • [17:13:27] <Ikarus> tomba: you can actually have different horizontal resolutions
  • [17:13:35] <Ikarus> but the vertical is absolutely fixed, yes
  • [17:16:06] <tomba> Ikarus: you mean slightly different resolutions? or can you squeeze something like 1024 to the signal?
  • [17:17:18] <tomba> OMAP's tv-out encoder settings are pure hebrew to me, I've just copied them from somewhere. I guess you need to be a tv-engineer to understand them =)
  • [17:18:13] <tomba> and just for the record, 1280x720MR-24@60 worked fine on my IBM monitor
  • [17:18:46] <recalcati> To send the same DVI (default and working:1280x720MR-24@60 ) fb to S-Video 720x576 what I have to do?
  • [17:19:19] <tomba> I think there were cloning instructions in the DSS readme
  • [17:20:00] <tomba> oh, you had some problems as you mentioned in your email. let's see
  • [17:20:10] <Ikarus> tomba: 1024 is above the physical pixels of most TVs, but basically, I mean a TV-out on a different platform for PAL offers anything between 320 and 720 horizontal pixels in steps of 16
  • [17:20:17] <Ikarus> tomba: and that is not scaled or anything
  • [17:20:32] <Ikarus> the horizontal data is simply analog on PAL and NTSC
  • [17:20:51] <Ikarus> so you can have as few or as many pixels as your system can sensibly generate and detect
  • [17:21:14] <recalcati> yes, I've read it, but I have to read "Clone GFX overlay to LCD and TV" as "Clone GFX overlay to DVI and TV" ?
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  • [17:21:38] <tomba> Ikarus: hmm ok. now if somebody would translate the tv-out encoder registers and tell how to use them... of course, I don't think there's much use for lower resolutions
  • [17:21:41] <tomba> recalcati: yes
  • [17:21:49] <koen> tomba: interesting, so I can really 'clone' DVI to svideo by pointing overlay 2 to 1
  • [17:21:51] <recalcati> ok
  • [17:22:38] <Ikarus> tomba: oh, ofcourse the use is limited, most people use either 704 or 720 for PAL
  • [17:22:54] <tomba> koen: no, you can clone the framebuffer, not the DVI. so you can have GFX layer on DVI, and two overlays going to TV and DVI, and the overlays show the same image
  • [17:23:14] <koen> that's what I meant :)
  • [17:23:31] * koen gets confused easily with framebuffer/overlay/manager/etc
  • [17:23:35] <recalcati> echo "vid1 t:tv w:720 h:574 e:1" > omapfb/overlays
  • [17:23:43] <recalcati> 576 doesn't work
  • [17:24:21] <tomba> yes, the height is 574. I think it should be 576, but the current tv-enc settings give 754 for some reason.
  • [17:24:31] <Ikarus> recalcati: really bizar
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  • [17:24:56] <Ikarus> because a height and width divisible by 16 would be preferred for most videoplayers
  • [17:25:37] <Ikarus> heck, mplayer isn't guaranteed to work with a non x16 resolution in the filter pipeline (though you might get away with it with a performance penalty)
  • [17:25:48] <recalcati> I see awfull horizontal lines with SyncMaster 245T
  • [17:25:57] <tomba> Ikarus: you're welcome to try to make sense of OMAP's tv-encoder =). send me the patch then!
  • [17:26:31] <Ikarus> tomba: don't have a Beagleboard, still waiting for rev C
  • [17:27:35] <tomba> but I'm tired of playing with the tv-out, trying to guess how to make it work. it works well enough now. I've spent countless of hours with it.
  • [17:28:42] <Ikarus> as soon as I get either a rev C Beagle, or gumstix releases a OMAP 3530 based board I'll work on it :P
  • [17:28:48] <Ikarus> not that I actually need it myself
  • [17:28:52] <Ikarus> but I can see how it can be useful
  • [17:29:24] <tomba> Ikarus: that would be excellent if you have experience on analog tv signals.
  • [17:29:41] * mru has experienced analogue tv signals
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  • [17:29:49] <mru> they made my eyes hurt
  • [17:29:52] <Ikarus> tomba: meh, it is not magic
  • [17:30:37] <Ikarus> ofcourse a scope can be handy to verify the generated timings, but even that is probably not needed
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  • [17:34:10] * koen ponders on going to fosdem on saterday
  • [17:35:36] <prpplague> koen: nice beer there
  • [17:35:37] * Ikarus still has to decide aswell
  • [17:35:47] * maelcum has the plane tickets and a booked hotel room
  • [17:35:57] <koen> prpplague: same beer as I can get here :)
  • [17:35:58] <tomba> Ikarus: hmm perhaps I should spend some time and read something about tv signals. although there are perhaps more important things to learn =)
  • [17:36:08] <maelcum> nice specialty beers in belgium but, so far, i haven't had one good pilsner style beer.
  • [17:36:12] * beagleuser wishes he was going to be there.
  • [17:36:12] <florian> koen: that's a good idea :)
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  • [17:36:21] <prpplague> koen: hehe, yea well, not so easy here
  • [17:36:40] <koen> prpplague: I'll bring you some when I visit DFW
  • [17:36:42] <prpplague> koen: i wish there were some nice conferences like FOSDEM in the US ......
  • [17:36:46] <prpplague> koen: dandy
  • [17:36:53] <koen> rather if I visit DFW
  • [17:37:02] <florian> prpplague: will you be there?
  • [17:37:03] <prpplague> koen: hehe indeed
  • [17:37:10] * koen is curious how texas looks after hearing prpplague describe it
  • [17:37:19] <prpplague> florian: uh, no , that would cost a small fortune
  • [17:37:29] <prpplague> koen: hehe
  • [17:37:47] * Ikarus is 2 hours away from FOSDEM
  • [17:37:50] <florian> prpplague: hum well yes, its a little bit closer for koen ;)
  • [17:37:58] <Ikarus> but I didn't arrange for any place to stay
  • [17:38:20] <prpplague> florian: i checked for last year, and it was like $1700.00USD round trip
  • [17:38:22] <Ikarus> so either I'd have to travel twice or bother a friend in Belgium
  • [17:38:24] <florian> Ikarus: it shouldn't be too hard to find a place in a hotel.
  • [17:38:39] * koen is 5 hours away from fosdem
  • [17:38:55] <Ikarus> florian: yeah, I might look at it anyway, or crash at a friend or whatever :)
  • [17:39:04] <Ikarus> currently feeling to ill to even think of it :P
  • [17:39:05] <florian> prpplague: eeks, that's quite a lot indeed.
  • [17:39:23] <maelcum> prpplague: 1700 looks waaay too expensive. i was looking for flights to camp kde in jamaica (didn't go there though) and the best prices were ~600 euros.
  • [17:39:39] <maelcum> i assume you're somewhere in north america
  • [17:39:47] <prpplague> maelcum: dallas, texas
  • [17:39:55] <florian> prpplague: For me it is about three hours by car :)
  • [17:40:18] <prpplague> florian: yea, that's why is wish we had something similar in the states, but that isn't likely to happen
  • [17:40:19] <Crofton> prpplague, why plane ticket was under $500
  • [17:40:30] <prpplague> Crofton: to fosdem?
  • [17:40:30] <maelcum> ~1,5 hours by plane :) - for some perverse reason cheaper than train
  • [17:40:31] <Ikarus> FOSDEM is awesome though, best conf especially as it is totally anti-suits :P
  • [17:40:34] <Crofton> yes
  • [17:40:40] <prpplague> Crofton: where?
  • [17:40:46] <Crofton> Roanoke to Brussels
  • [17:40:52] <Crofton> booked last month
  • [17:41:04] <Crofton> still under 1K as of Saturday
  • [17:41:04] <prpplague> Crofton: roanoke? va?
  • [17:41:07] <Crofton> right
  • [17:41:25] <prpplague> Crofton: yea, that is the difference, the east coast
  • [17:41:26] <Crofton> Might be more for you coming from the middle of .us
  • [17:41:42] <prpplague> Crofton: internation flights from DFW are outrageous
  • [17:41:50] <prpplague> Crofton: which airline?
  • [17:41:56] <Crofton> us air
  • [17:42:00] * prpplague checks
  • [17:42:06] <prpplague> Crofton: which dates?
  • [17:42:24] <Crofton> leave tomorrow return Monday
  • [17:42:43] <Crofton> they'll be absurd now due to short time b4 departure
  • [17:42:52] <florian> It might be an option to try some other airports in this area as well...
  • [17:43:16] <Crofton> yeah
  • [17:43:27] <Crofton> I leave a day early to avoid going through frankfurt
  • [17:43:40] <Crofton> limited direct flights on usair to BRussels
  • [17:43:43] <Ikarus> bleah, cheapest rooms in brussels are 80 euro, are they mad
  • [17:44:15] <Ikarus> then I can just shuttle to home for less and given that is by train, not even a hassle :P
  • [17:44:28] <maelcum> Ikarus: that sounds wrong. hostels and even some hotels should be significantly cheaper.
  • [17:44:33] <prpplague> Crofton: yea, i put in the info for the first week in march to do a comparison
  • [17:44:47] <florian> Amsterdam, Paris and Colonge... from the latter I know that they have a fast train to Brussels.
  • [17:44:51] <Ikarus> maelcum: hostels are stuffed
  • [17:45:00] <Crofton> the hotel rates go up on March 1
  • [17:45:05] <koen> Ikarus: yeah, brussels is expensive
  • [17:45:07] <maelcum> huh. and i thought i booked late :)
  • [17:45:23] <Ikarus> maelcum: FOSDEM always has them at capacity and as I won't go in the sleeping halls
  • [17:45:31] <Ikarus> I prefer to just travel back and forth
  • [17:45:33] <recalcati> DVI 720p ok, S-Video NTSC or PAL with horizontal lines, I've guessed rescaling problem, but I've set also DVI to 640x480, the same problem to S-video. So I have to test better the same monitor with another source. Thanks.
  • [17:45:41] <maelcum> fosdem is not *that* big for brussels... hum, maybe it is :>
  • [17:46:10] <Ikarus> maelcum: it attracts many people who don't want to pay alot ;)
  • [17:46:22] <maelcum> true
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  • [17:46:37] <Ikarus> oh, FOSDEM starts at 10:00
  • [17:46:48] <Ikarus> that means I can leave home at a comfortable 7:30 and still make it
  • [17:47:28] <florian> Ikarus: yeah... I'll have a hard time too ;)
  • [17:48:07] <maelcum> i'm not even awake at that time, usually :)
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  • [17:49:49] <prpplague> Crofton: 30 days in advance best price is $686 each direction
  • [17:50:01] <prpplague> Crofton: with US Air
  • [17:50:14] <Crofton> I think you might do a little better in Feb
  • [17:50:18] <prpplague> Crofton: best price with AA is $942 each direction
  • [17:50:40] <Crofton> what is funny is it is cheaper for me to get to .eu than places like Phoenix atm
  • [17:51:11] <prpplague> Crofton: yea, internation stuff from DFW is almost unaffordable
  • [17:52:02] <Crofton> prpplague, you need to move :)
  • [17:52:41] <Ikarus> but gah @ 80 euro a night, I mean the trainticket is only 15 euro for a 2-way ticket......
  • [17:53:15] * maelcum remembers how ridiculously cheap belgian train tickets are.
  • [17:53:17] <prpplague> Crofton: hehe
  • [17:53:27] <Ikarus> maelcum: and I have a discount on Dutch ones
  • [17:54:05] <maelcum> our new private economy train overlords in germany have made it so that going by train is usually more expensive than going by car - alone.
  • [17:54:21] <Ikarus> maelcum: oh, going by car wouldn't be much more expensive
  • [17:54:29] <mru> same in the uk
  • [17:54:43] <Ikarus> maelcum: I only have to drive straight south and I'll hit brussels in under 2 hours :)
  • [17:54:49] <mru> ??30 for a return ticket southampton-london
  • [17:55:05] <prpplague> Crofton: we've moved so much in the last 5 years, i don't think my boss lady would even consider moving right now
  • [17:55:18] <koen> ???55 for enschede <> brussel return ticket
  • [17:55:33] <koen> ???92 if you want to travel first class
  • [17:56:39] <maelcum> berlin-brussels would have cost ~200??? by train. plane is cheaper and faster.
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  • [17:56:58] * maelcum actually loves going by train ;(
  • [17:57:07] <maelcum> very good environment to get work done
  • [17:57:10] <Ikarus> 30 euro for me to first class
  • [17:57:13] <Crofton|work> at least you guys have real options for getting around ....
  • [17:57:17] <Ikarus> 40% discount isn't bad :)
  • [17:57:59] * koen used to be able to travel for free in .nl in the weekends
  • [17:58:40] <Ikarus> heh, then it is time to find a job where you get an OV Jaarkaart with :P
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  • [18:09:24] <koen> or a private yet
  • [18:09:52] <Ikarus> koen: nah, Zaventem - Fosdem is 45 minutes or so by itself
  • [18:11:18] <Ikarus> hrm, I could according to this, drive it in 1:40 heh
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  • [18:15:03] <koen> eFfeM: http://people.freedesktop.org/~wtay/ now has a tarball release, so adding gnome-dvb-daemon is easier now
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  • [18:18:57] <florian> bbl
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  • [18:23:33] * koen wonders what jkridner is up to, being so quiet and all
  • [18:23:46] <no_mind> anyone knows, when khasim comes here ?
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  • [18:25:54] <jkridner|beagle> working on an abstract for the Distributor FAE Summit.
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  • [18:26:20] <Crofton|work> no_mind, usually earlier in the day
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  • [18:26:31] <jkridner|beagle> and needing to close enough windows on my computer so that I can reboot and gain access to the approval page.
  • [18:26:35] <no_mind> ok
  • [18:26:48] <jkridner|beagle> no_mind: he's in India, so that should give you an idea of his timezone.
  • [18:26:56] <jkridner|beagle> it is rather late there now.
  • [18:27:04] <no_mind> Crofton|work, me and khasim are in same timezone, so let me sync during my day :)
  • [18:27:05] <Crofton|work> he was here abiout 6 hours ago
  • [18:27:26] <jkridner|beagle> probably easier to reach him by e-mail.
  • [18:27:29] <Crofton|work> it will be good to see this channel be active in all TZ!
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  • [18:28:50] <jkridner|beagle> indeed.
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  • [18:29:19] <jkridner|beagle> there sure are enough people on here all the time to have it be active at all times of day.
  • [18:29:30] <Crofton|work> we just need to be awake
  • [18:29:49] <Crofton|work> jkridner, I found the facebook event
  • [18:30:03] <jkridner|beagle> I enjoyed mru's comment on the mailing list.
  • [18:30:06] <Crofton|work> I listed myself as attending and smacked myself with a piece of wood
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  • [18:30:19] <no_mind> I need khasim to conduct a training
  • [18:30:25] <koen_> Faceplank
  • [18:30:27] <Crofton|work> and then proceeded to watch the Holy Hand grenade clip
  • [18:30:36] <n6pfk> I would like to write a simple serial terminal program for the beagleboard. No OS just a standalone program. U-boot will just copy the program to ram and run it. Where can I find the resources to do this.
  • [18:30:56] <jkridner|beagle> no_mind: great. I think I saw the e-mail. right now, we are caught-up in a Beagle release cycle.
  • [18:31:13] <jkridner|beagle> once the Rev C validation process is final, it might be easier to get his attention.
  • [18:31:29] <no_mind> jkridner|beagle, ok
  • [18:31:44] <garren> koen: did rm_work I've free'ed up 6 gigs already awesome.. thanks for the tip
  • [18:31:57] <no_mind> jkridner|beagle, you in IST timezone too ?
  • [18:31:59] <eFfeM> koen, thanks for the gstreamer rtsp link
  • [18:32:22] <eFfeM> koen, and i would encourage you to come to fosdem on saturday
  • [18:32:22] <jkridner|beagle> n6pfk: keep at it. have you taken x-load and started to develop your own code from there?
  • [18:32:31] <Crofton|work> http://tinyurl.com/alkjak
  • [18:32:36] * Crofton|work blames koen
  • [18:32:39] * eFfeM has not fully decided on whether to go 0, 1 or 2 days
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  • [18:32:55] <jkridner|beagle> no_mind: I'm CST (US Central)
  • [18:32:57] <eFfeM> guess it will be only one day
  • [18:34:02] <n6pfk> X-load does have a serial interface, so I suppose that is a valid place to start.
  • [18:34:47] <Crofton|work> n6pfk, have you looked a "u-booy hello world"
  • [18:34:59] <Crofton|work> u-boot that is
  • [18:35:11] <n6pfk> No, do you have a link?
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  • [18:35:38] <Crofton|work> http://tinyurl.com/alkjak
  • [18:35:42] <Crofton|work> :)
  • [18:35:55] <n6pfk> Thanks.
  • [18:36:14] <Crofton|work> koen introduced me to the intermediate website
  • [18:36:56] <n6pfk> ok
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  • [18:37:23] <Crofton|work> we'll likely over use it for the next few weeks, then get tired of it :)
  • [18:38:11] <garren> Crofton|work: awesome link :-)
  • [18:43:07] <n6pfk> bye
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  • [18:46:25] <jkridner|beagle> hi dirk2
  • [18:46:36] <jkridner|beagle> I was a bit confused by the plan for new patches.
  • [18:47:17] <jkridner|beagle> I think we are using sakoman's tree to perform clean-up, but I'd expect him to rebase on top of the mainline.
  • [18:47:44] <dirk2> jkridner: hi
  • [18:48:15] <ds2> anyone know what's the difference between a cache and this TCM thing that is in some ARM cores?
  • [18:48:36] <dirk2> jkridner|beagle: the patch series sent to u-boot ml is to bring mainline in sync with omap3-dev
  • [18:49:19] <dirk2> jkridner|beagle: so no 'new' patches, just to sync mainline with what we have already
  • [18:50:02] <jkridner|beagle> k, but have those been applied anywhere rebased on the mainline?
  • [18:51:07] <jkridner|beagle> or, what patches will we be working on using sakoman's tree? only the musb stuff?
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  • [18:51:36] <dirk2> jkridner|beagle: these 7 patches I sent are already in omap3-dev. Regarding mainline, no they are not applied anywhere. Sent them some hours ago, you know how long it might take ;)
  • [18:51:40] <jkridner|beagle> maybe we should update http://beagleboard.org/project/U-Boot+(V1)/ to reflect the current development process?
  • [18:51:57] <jkridner|beagle> dirk2: :)
  • [18:52:38] <jkridner|beagle> which is why I want to know how we proceed from here. certainly patches can now be submitted to the mainline, but some things might live within the smaller community to prepare.
  • [18:53:17] <kaltsi> if I would get the latest sources for linux-omap kernel and make omap3_beagle_defconfig; make uImage, should it produce a good enough kernel? :)
  • [18:53:27] <ds2> n/m
  • [18:53:49] <jkridner|beagle> dirk2: I have my opinions, but I'm not overly worried that things are done any one way--just that we are communicating the same development process.
  • [18:54:42] <jkridner|beagle> ds2: what was the resolution?
  • [18:56:38] <ds2> TCM is apparently an internal chunk of SRAM running at full core speed that must be manually copied to. This is different from someting like the SRAM on the OMAP in that you can't cache it. Apparently because it runs as fast as the cache.
  • [18:57:11] <dirk2> jkridner|beagle: Why no go on as we did sucessfully in the past? We use sakoman's git (which branch based on what to be discussed in some minutes) to apply our patches. Then, when we think they are ready (and u-boot list is ready ;) ), we send them to u-boot list. This would seperate development speed we have and the speed at u-boot list. Seems that this worked good until now.
  • [18:58:27] <jkridner|beagle> dirk2: as long as the patch set between the mainline and sakoman's tree is clean (should be a common point in the history) then I think that is fine.
  • [18:58:51] <jkridner|beagle> dirk2: I wouldn't want a situation where the patches wouldn't apply against the mainline.
  • [18:59:24] <jkridner|beagle> dirk2: anyway, the status on http://beagleboard.org/project/U-Boot+(V1)/ and the elinux page is out of date.
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  • [19:00:15] <dirk2> jkridner|beagle: beagleboard project: yes, will update this
  • [19:00:17] <jkridner|beagle> ds2: thanks.
  • [19:01:27] <jkridner|beagle> dirk2: thanks. will continue to work through you and sakoman for beagle-related u-boot enhacements prior to submission to the mainline.
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  • [19:02:02] <jkridner|beagle> dirk2: I think that some education is required on the EVM side as I believe some of those should be going directly to the mainline and not the beagle mailing list.
  • [19:02:28] <dirk2> jkridner|beagle: wouldn't apply against mainline: I'm not sure why you care about this now. It wasn't a problem for you in the past? Note that we ( I ) always extracted, re-grouped and re-formated the patches sent to u-boot list from sakoman's git. We never had the patches sent to u-boot list 100% identical in sakoman's git.
  • [19:02:38] <jkridner|beagle> I see benefit of aligning/review in the beagle community, but I think that these are largedly "dropped" on the beagle community.
  • [19:04:17] <jkridner|beagle> dirk2: it makes me slightly nervous in that they are reviewed by a smaller community and then signed-off without as deep a review (trusting your changes). I think that is OK, but I don't see it as ideal.
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  • [19:06:59] <mru> btw, if anyone is interested, my benchmarks put beagle at 33% faster than n800 running the same code and normalising the clock
  • [19:07:30] <mru> that was little or no floating-point
  • [19:07:50] <mru> I should do a float-heavy test too
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  • [19:09:49] <dirk2> jkridner|beagle: smaller community: From my point of view you don't have a smaller community. You have a two stage review clean up process. First review/clean up step is to put it into sakoman's git and let a patch mature there. If we think it is ready, we can send it to u-boot list. Than it is hopefully in a better shape as it was before. Then, you know it, it will got through u-boot list review. This is the second stage. Having the first
  • [19:09:50] <dirk2> stage (sakoman's git) has the advantage (a) to be independent from timeing point of view (b) to hopefully have already the major issues fixed reducing the load for u-boot maintainers and re-sending cycles
  • [19:12:11] <dirk2> jkridner|beagle: take MUSB patch as example: we have it in sakoman's git and are able to clean up and coordinate before sending to u-boot ml. E.g. first send OMAP3 core changes, clean up MUSB core code.
  • [19:12:28] <jkridner|beagle> dirk2: I think that works if sakoman provides a separate clean-up branch for various projects.
  • [19:12:54] <jkridner|beagle> dirk2: I would be looking for the patches to apply to the mainline without you needing to rebase them manually.
  • [19:13:29] <jkridner|beagle> it is that rebase portion of the process that I don't like. it isn't using the tools available to us to make sure we are talking about the same changes.
  • [19:14:28] <dirk2> jkridner|beagle: seperate clean-up branch: yes, you are right. What I said above is valid for beagle (and overo?). For EVM it might be different. Not sure.
  • [19:15:48] <dirk2> jkridner|beagle: But feel free to send you patches to mainline. But remember, if you send them e.g. now, you should do it at mainline + the 7 patches. Else u-boot maintainers would get merge issues.
  • [19:16:16] <jkridner|beagle> dirk2: As long as I can pull the mainline and cherry-pick patches from sakoman's tree and have those apply cleanly, I'll be happy. I don't mind sending my patches for beagle to the beagle mailing list until they are aligned.
  • [19:16:26] <jkridner|beagle> after all, you are the beagle u-boot maintainer. :)
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  • [19:17:50] <jkridner|beagle> dirk2: I think we've beat this to death. thanks.
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  • [19:19:35] <dirk2> jkridner|beagle: I'm not sure why you want to work against mainline? What's the advantage? Why not work against sakoman's git which merges mainline regularly and might be more up to date? E.g. why do you want to use mainline and add the 7 patches 'manually' when you easily can get the same from sakoman's get by one git pull?
  • [19:20:55] <dirk2> jkridner|beagle: E.g. for linux kernel on beagle: Do you use mainline or omap-linux? It's the same.
  • [19:25:00] <jkridner|beagle> dirk2: my goal is to minimize that patch set. I think this must be your goal and sakoman's goal as well.
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  • [19:25:57] <ds2> hmmm local protoshop don't have 1.8V LDOs...this is irritating
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  • [19:27:35] <dirk2> jkridner|beagle: send your patches when and where you like, then we will see how to go on :)
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  • [19:29:03] <jkridner|beagle> dirk2: I think I'm trying to communicate too small a point to bother discussing on IRC. we are aligned on the process.
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  • [19:30:20] <dirk2> jkridner|beagle: k.
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  • [19:34:27] <ds2> ;2C
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  • [19:36:15] <maelcum> jkridner|beagle: is there some official patchset?
  • [19:36:33] <jkridner|beagle> maelcum: for u-boot?
  • [19:36:39] <maelcum> the openembedded patches often don't even apply, and they *are* meant for the -omap tree, right?
  • [19:36:47] <maelcum> oh, lack of context. sorry.
  • [19:37:28] <jkridner|beagle> maelcum: there is no official beagle kernel, but most people are using the Angstrom patch set applied against linux-omap.
  • [19:37:41] <jkridner|beagle> pay attention to the SRCREV, which gives you the commit id.
  • [19:37:54] <maelcum> okay thanks, that sounds good.
  • [19:38:28] <jkridner|beagle> I've been using the 2.6.28-r8 from OE for a while. I think that OE is up to -r11, but I haven't checked in a while.
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  • [19:39:12] <jkridner|beagle> also, some people blindly apply the patches that are there without looking at the recipe. only the patches in the recipe should be applied.
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  • [20:02:32] <jkridner|beagle> rsalveti: would this Mamona overlay mentioned in your blog be something that you run on a desktop or embedded device?
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  • [20:24:18] <TAK2004> how high is the data transfere rate of the SPI ports on the BB ?
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  • [20:28:35] <prpplague> TAK2004: iirc the SPI port on the expansion connector can be clocked up to around 60MHz
  • [20:29:05] <prpplague> TAK2004: practically speaking probably the actual usable max would be around 50MHz
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  • [20:30:08] <TAK2004> thx
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  • [20:32:20] <TAK2004> is it possible to use dma to copy a memory block via spi or will the process use the cpu ?
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  • [20:53:26] <Batko_Marto> hey guys just a quick question. On the U-Boot it says ... L3-165MHz. Does that mean that it's running at 165 instead of the 500MHz?
  • [20:55:06] <koen> no, it's still running at 500MHz
  • [20:55:35] <Batko_Marto> ah ok. So what's the meaning of the 165MHz in the u-boot then?
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  • [21:03:28] <MostAwesomeDude> koen: How would you suggest I go about mirroring/forking Angstrom?
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  • [21:06:13] <Crofton> git branch ?
  • [21:10:20] <koen> MostAwesomeDude: why do you need to fork?
  • [21:10:43] <koen> MostAwesomeDude: can't you use an overlay or something similar?
  • [21:11:22] <MostAwesomeDude> koen: I've got new hardware. It's kind of like a Beagle. We'd like to have pure Angstrom running on it, but in case we need to have local mods, we don't want to be dependent on upstream.
  • [21:11:35] <MostAwesomeDude> For example, right now we need a fairly custom kernel.
  • [21:12:53] <koen> and?
  • [21:13:21] <koen> send a patch to add that kernel recipe to oe-devel
  • [21:13:49] <koen> we have support for machines in OE where only on real world incarnation exists :)
  • [21:14:32] * koen leaves the rest to Crofton
  • [21:15:37] <Crofton|work> koen I am sort of hopeful that git branch can replace some overlays
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  • [21:20:15] <MostAwesomeDude> koen:
  • [21:20:31] <MostAwesomeDude> koen: Hm, alright, I'll talk with my partners about this...
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  • [21:22:48] <Crofton|work> MostAwesomeDude, take a look at how gumstix supports the overo
  • [21:26:10] <MostAwesomeDude> Crofton|work: Ah, cool.
  • [21:37:46] <koen> Crofton|work: a branch and an overlay are very different things
  • [21:38:01] <koen> Crofton|work: an overlay allows a much better overview and isolation
  • [21:38:02] <Crofton|work> I know
  • [21:38:23] <Crofton|work> but in the past people used overlays instead of branches
  • [21:38:31] <koen> starting your own branch should be extremely discouraged
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  • [21:38:42] <koen> unless you don't care about getting changes back
  • [21:38:45] <Crofton|work> right, but a branch makes it "easier" to feed stuff back
  • [21:38:52] <koen> no, it doesn't
  • [21:39:03] <koen> just look at the openmoko branch
  • [21:39:08] <Crofton|work> hmm, I though git was good a passing info between branches?
  • [21:39:19] <koen> it filled with tons and tons of "oops, really fix it" crap
  • [21:39:35] <Crofton|work> heh
  • [21:40:01] <koen> if everyone made perfect commits a branch would be usefull
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  • [21:40:53] <Crofton|work> I've seen pages on how to make perfect commits by re-writing the past
  • [21:40:53] * koen is annoyed with having to follow courses on friday
  • [21:40:54] <rsalveti> jkridner|beagle: on your desktop, basically to install mamona
  • [21:41:10] <rsalveti> jkridner|beagle: at mamona you need cdebootstrap, reprepro and stuff like that
  • [21:41:17] <Crofton|work> Basically, there are several methods, and they can all be screwed up :)
  • [21:41:19] <koen> Crofton|work: who's going to take on an effort like that?
  • [21:41:30] <recalcati> As I wrote in beagleboard group I can't see anything with 2.6.28-r10 from DVI to my Sony Bravia KDL-32W4000, fbset now gives 64.000 MHz, insted with 2.6.27 gave 72.005 MHz.
  • [21:41:43] <koen> Crofton|work: when you can just copy over the complete dir from an overlay?
  • [21:41:48] <Crofton|work> koen, you are complaining about going to class on Friday?
  • [21:41:51] <rsalveti> jkridner|beagle: and you can't find these packages by default at gentoo, that's why I created the overlay
  • [21:41:56] <koen> recalcati: did you try the non reduced blanking timings?
  • [21:42:03] <koen> Crofton|work: yes
  • [21:42:22] <Crofton|work> koen, if I had a nickel for every one minute I wasted getting confused by my overlays, I'd be retired :)
  • [21:42:27] <recalcati> in the group I have listed all the tests http://groups.google.it/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/89654a5ac60b82a9?hl=it#
  • [21:42:49] <koen> Crofton|work: and why would a branch be easier? :)
  • [21:42:50] <Crofton|work> the youth of today has it to easy :)
  • [21:43:10] <koen> Crofton|work: classes on friday == no fosdem till saterday
  • [21:43:18] <Crofton|work> I do not have two copies of the same file available at the same time
  • [21:43:20] <Crofton|work> ah
  • [21:43:27] <Crofton|work> I would just skip
  • [21:43:41] <Crofton|work> maybe talk to the prof if I cared about the class
  • [21:43:51] * Crofton|work was a loust student
  • [21:43:54] <Crofton|work> lousy
  • [21:44:40] * koen decided to finish his BSc in 2009
  • [21:44:52] <Crofton|work> heh
  • [21:44:53] <Crofton|work> good
  • [21:45:06] <koen> 4 years of basically doing everything minus actuall studying really slows you down
  • [21:45:15] <Crofton|work> Did you decide, or were you told to graduate?
  • [21:45:39] <Crofton|work> yeah, that's why I spent eight years on a MS
  • [21:45:55] <recalcati> With omapfb.video_mode=1280x720-24@60 I had an Oops
  • [21:46:18] <koen> recalcati: and with 1280x720M-16@60?
  • [21:46:27] <recalcati> I try
  • [21:47:12] <koen> Crofton|work: I want to finish before I have to pay back the goverment loan in full
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  • [21:47:41] <Crofton|work> so if you finish within a certain time, you owe them less money?
  • [21:48:06] <koen> yes
  • [21:48:27] <recalcati> Oops
  • [21:48:30] <Crofton|work> interesting
  • [21:48:30] <koen> I got rid of one year by finishing the first year in time
  • [21:48:43] <koen> fnishing the BSc gets rid of another 2
  • [21:49:13] <koen> finishing the MSc before 2011 would git rid of everything :)
  • [21:49:53] <Crofton|work> sounds like you have your work cut out for yuo
  • [21:50:15] <tomba> recalcati: there's a bug in the public DSS2 version which crashes if you try illegal timing values
  • [21:50:46] <tomba> and illegal here means non-reduced timings. you need the R there
  • [21:51:43] <koen> seeing that DSS1 managed to get some picture on his screen the desired timings aren't that illegal :)
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  • [21:52:33] <tomba> well, I mean the timings that modedb gives with the mode names above
  • [21:53:18] <koen> can we poke in values with fbset or sysfs?
  • [21:53:31] <tomba> but you can give the exact timings via sysfs's display file
  • [21:53:53] <koen> recalcati: try poking in the 72MHz using sysfs
  • [21:54:13] <koen> recalcati: how are you liking the bravia?
  • [21:54:33] * koen is looking at the samsung 32" 656 and the bravia 32" series
  • [21:56:11] <recalcati> I like w4000 because it has nice contrast and you can see photos through usb2 port very nicely
  • [21:56:45] <recalcati> Using it with PS3 and UPnP you see also photos from ethernet very nice
  • [21:56:48] <koen> I went downtown and all the shops used SD input on the 32" models
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  • [21:58:11] <recalcati> Yes, but I prefer an intermediate dimension, because I have also SD channel in Italy, and also I use TV as PC monitor, 1360x768 (nvidia)
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  • [21:59:31] <koen> I have a small appartment, so 32" would be big enoughe
  • [21:59:41] * koen has a 26" crt now and is happy with that
  • [22:00:05] * Crofton|work thinks koen should study and not search for a bigger monitor ....
  • [22:00:14] <florian> re
  • [22:00:24] <koen> not monitor, TV :)
  • [22:01:33] <Crofton> even worse
  • [22:01:51] <Crofton> florian, you will have beagle and DLP for FOSDEM?
  • [22:04:25] <recalcati> echo "dvi p:72000" > displays
  • [22:04:44] <recalcati> but with fbset pixel clock remains 64Mhz
  • [22:05:26] <tomba> recalcati: that's not enough, you have to set all the timings. paste the dvi line from displays file, please. (I don't have beagle running here)
  • [22:05:42] <florian> Crofton: yes, should be possible :)
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  • [22:06:07] <Crofton|work> I'll bring my overo for show and tell
  • [22:06:11] <tomba> also, I'm not 100% sure if the public DSS2 version supported setting timings via sysfs or not =). but let's try
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  • [22:11:54] <recalcati> echo "dvi e:1 u:1 t:0 h:1280/110/ 220/40 v:720/20/5/5 p:72000" > displays
  • [22:11:57] <recalcati> works!!
  • [22:12:42] <koen> great :)
  • [22:12:50] <recalcati> but I really haven't understand anything: because fbset has changes timing and geometry, but not pixel clock
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  • [22:14:01] <tomba> recalcati: the timings fbset shows are not "real" ones, just something the fb framework stores itself. now, they should be updated correctly, but if I recall right, there was a bug that made the timings not to update
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  • [22:15:24] <recalcati> no problem. I'm worried instead about the compatibility with commercial LCD and PLASMA
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  • [22:17:41] <tomba> well, I guess in the end one just has to test omap with the TV. although I think mru said that the timings for standard 480p can be produced by omap
  • [22:17:57] <tomba> I guess most people want higher resolutions, though
  • [22:20:20] <mru> with the dsi pll most timings can be generated
  • [22:20:39] <mru> even without it the hdmi 720p60 gets very close
  • [22:21:28] <recalcati> I think should be great to guarantie 720p, but if not possible I have to guarantie 480p, that can be accepted as good resolution for streaming purposes
  • [22:23:41] <tomba> 720p is defined as having horiz sync of 80. omap can only do 64 (or 63, not sure).
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  • [22:24:06] <recalcati> mru: I have seen the problem passing from 2.6.27 to 2.6.28 (I know now are unstable situation), but "reduced timings" are disturbing me a little
  • [22:24:48] <koen> .27 and 2.8 in OE have completely different display subsystems
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  • [22:30:22] <koen> sakoman: you got the smsc driver working?
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  • [22:30:45] <recalcati> yes, I hope the situation will be more stable in the future. By now I have to understand the horiz sync
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  • [22:46:44] <recalcati> tomba: In HDMI 1.3a specs: par. 6.2.1, 1280x720p @ 59.94/60Hz or 1280x720p @ 50Hz , why did you say 80Khz, it seems 59.94Khz, by now I have H: 43.639 kHz
  • [22:46:58] <recalcati> ?
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  • [22:48:10] <jkridner|beagle> recalcati: I believe tomba was talking about the pixel clock and MHz, not kHz.
  • [22:48:52] <jkridner|beagle> I think the clock can go faster than tomba claims, but I don't know the details of getting the required frequencies.
  • [22:49:18] * jkridner|beagle is looking at sprz278c section 2.1.11 right now.
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  • [22:57:21] <recalcati> I see, so we have to understand If HDMI 1.3a specs are followed enough to guarantie compatibility ... but now I have to sleep!
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  • [22:59:53] <recalcati> good night
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