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[06:04:51] <jkridner> I just noticed that BeagleBot's messages aren't showing up in its logs.
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[06:33:59] <jsync> mru: ping!!
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[06:37:21] <tonywe> hi is there a way to put a ethernet connection on the beagleboard?
[06:38:38] <jsync> tonywe: yes.. enable the usb host mode in kernel and use a usb-ethernet adapter
[06:39:56] <tonywe> usb is too slow...
[06:40:10] <tonywe> i would like to do a nas with the beagleboard
[06:42:43] <jsync> ouch..
[06:44:08] <tonywe> many nas device use arm cpu...
[06:48:29] <jsync> you will require to do some hardware assembling to do that i guess.
[06:52:19] <tonywe> if there a way to weld.... that could be fine..... it's the only item if found to be a complete embedded system
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[06:59:39] <jsync> anyone tried the latest ffmpeg.mru master branch for beagleboard ??
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[07:42:18] <ds2> Hmmm
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[09:57:06] <mru> jsync: pong
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[10:06:01] <jsync> mru: i got an error from the latest ffmpeg.mru build.
[10:06:30] <jsync> i will post error in pastebin in 1 minute
[10:08:08] <mru> jsync: are you using my git directly or getting it from OE?
[10:09:10] <jsync> no.. i am using ur git directly.. arm.for-master branch
[10:09:22] <mru> use the 'arm' branch
[10:09:34] <jsync> ok..
[10:10:09] <jsync> that could be the problem.. anyway i will show you the error i got
[10:10:31] <mru> both branches should work
[10:10:40] <mru> 'arm' is generally more up to date
[10:12:40] <jsync> i used to build my toolchain using makefiles.. so ffmpeg really gives out the mistakes in my toolchain build setup
[10:20:14] <jsync> mru: here is the error i got http://pastebin.com/m565b827b
[10:23:40] <jsync> when i got this error, i copied the asm.S from libavcodec/arm to libavcodec/armv4l and changed the .d files accordingly.. then i was able to complete the ffmpeg compilation
[10:24:23] <jsync> let me try the same process on "arm" branch now
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[10:33:59] <mru> are you using an old build tree?
[10:35:08] <jsync> i just updated my git today
[10:35:27] <mru> yes, but are you reusing an old build
[10:35:32] <jsync> arm.for-master
[10:35:38] <mru> when did you last run configure?
[10:35:52] <mru> hmm, that shouldn't matter
[10:36:22] <mru> but you may have stale dependencies
[10:36:32] <mru> are you building in the source tree?
[10:36:38] <jsync> yes..
[10:36:58] <jsync> i can clone a fresh build and try it out..
[10:37:31] <mru> we renamed libavcodec/armv4l to libavcodec/arm a while ago
[10:37:47] <mru> it looks like you have some stray dependencies on the old names
[10:37:53] <mru> make distclean should take care of that
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[10:38:46] <jsync> but "git status" says it clean except for the libswscale i pulled in separately
[10:39:05] <mru> you probably have it set to ignore *.o and *.d
[10:44:01] <jsync> ok.. i have deleted all .d files.. i will try again and check
[10:44:43] <jsync> btw, a distclean should delete all the generated files right ??
[10:44:50] <mru> yes
[10:45:01] <mru> if any are left behind, that's a bug and should be reported
[10:46:38] <jsync> i will check it once more
[11:02:42] <jsync> btw, all the files in the armv4l is contained in the arm folder
[11:03:15] <jsync> anyway i am moving to arm branch
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[11:31:49] <JayFoxRox> Hey, I m migrating from windows xp to linux right now, what IDE would you recommend for C/C++ ? If possible, one which will also work on beagleboard / pandora one day
[11:43:14] <ldesnogu> JayFoxRox, do you really need an IDE?
[11:43:25] <ldesnogu> I am fine with emacs and Makefile's :)
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[11:50:37] <JayFoxRox> yeh an IDE would be nice because I usually have lots of files in my projects and would like to structure them in a simple way, code completion would also be nice
[11:51:03] <JayFoxRox> (and I'm still not used to makefiles - even after a few month of cygwin)
[11:52:12] <ldesnogu> JayFoxRox, you have to be reeducated... or I have to be :)
[11:52:39] <ldesnogu> the most used IDE probably is Eclipse, but you can forget about it on Beagle
[11:52:54] <JayFoxRox> well the beagle ide would be a non plus ultra ;)
[11:53:12] <ldesnogu> then I think you have IDE's that look like the old Borland dev env
[11:53:21] <ldesnogu> so these are text based
[11:53:44] <JayFoxRox> I will write my own IDE for my own scripting system and shaders anyway, I will design a whole kit with modeler, texture editor etc to have a realtime preview, and I will need a shader editor for that
[11:54:28] <JayFoxRox> so yeh, I will only stick to a simple text-editor on the beagle then for now, I will look at all those linux options for my desktop tho
[11:54:50] <ldesnogu> look for kdevelop and anjuta
[11:55:23] <ldesnogu> note that since I'm not using any "traditional" IDE my advices are perhaps wrong :)
[11:55:47] <ldesnogu> also look at this: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Devtools/ides.html
[11:56:15] <JayFoxRox> yeh I still have had that tab opened ;)
[11:56:23] <ldesnogu> anjuta is for GNOME env and kdevelop for KDE
[11:56:49] <ldesnogu> note that anyway you'll have to learn makefile's at one point
[11:57:15] <ldesnogu> unless you don't want to use other's stuff or you don't want your stuff to be spread :)
[11:58:17] <JayFoxRox> yeh I hope that I have a chance to learn it after beeing on linux for a while
[11:58:43] <JayFoxRox> I would have changed somewhat earlier but DirectX always seemed easier than OpenGL
[11:59:02] <ldesnogu> really?
[11:59:39] <ldesnogu> anyway, if you start using an IDE that fits your needs too well, there's a high chance you will never properly learn makefile
[12:00:44] <JayFoxRox> now I learned shaders for the beagleboard and had a VM running for formating the SD Card, but now, the next year I will only develop for pandora and learned shader language, Linux just seems the better route now because I hate XNA/DirectX10, it doesn't matter which one to use anymore: the OGL3 specification seems poor and so does the microsoft counterpart ;) I was impressed by OpenGL ES tho
[12:02:04] <JayFoxRox> I was using the microsoft IDE before because it seems to be the only one which has nice code completion for the DirectX SDK. But seeing how I will have to change now I just have to learn makefiles
[12:15:11] <ldesnogu> I never used completion and could never stand MS IDE, I think I am really old school
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[12:18:58] <JayFoxRox> yeh the IDE is really slow and overloaded, no question :(
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[13:21:12] <tosmo> beagle needs enourmous amounts of ram while indexing, about 350mb. at least it nearly freezes a 512mb machine as it obviously swaps alot. is there something i can do about that?
[13:21:25] <tosmo> (besides adding ram, that is no option in this case)
[13:23:39] <suihkulokki> see topic
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[15:21:00] <jkridner> happy boxing day
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[16:05:41] <BeagleBot> http://beagleboard.org/user/blog.hangerhead.com/ was edited by blog.hangerhead.com
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[16:18:13] <BeagleBot> http://beagleboard.org/resources/ was edited by blog.hangerhead.com
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[16:26:20] <BeagleBot> http://beagleboard.org/resources/ was edited by blog.hangerhead.com
[16:26:39] <BeagleBot> http://beagleboard.org/resources/ was edited by blog.hangerhead.com
[16:28:05] <BeagleBot> http://beagleboard.org/discuss/ was edited by blog.hangerhead.com
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[18:37:29] <eFfeM> hi, is it already confirmed that C1 will have 256 MB ram ?
[18:37:37] <eFfeM> elinux.org says maybe
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[18:54:36] <Flippy1320> hey, has anyone experienced a "cannot access tty; job control turned off"
[18:55:10] <eFfeM> Flippy1320: while booting ?
[18:56:05] <Flippy1320> i have control with a unix yeah
[18:56:31] <eFfeM> seen this on different hw, not sure about the cause, missing /dev entry? flaw in rc script?
[18:56:31] <Flippy1320> basically i can go through the directory but while booting it stops there and i can do unix commands
[18:57:23] <Flippy1320> the only problem i had when i was installing angstrom, i had to sudo all the commands because of some sort of permissions
[18:57:32] <Flippy1320> and couldnt umount at the end
[18:57:46] <Flippy1320> using an ubuntu live cd
[18:58:48] <eFfeM> chmod 777 /dev/*tty* just to test things ?
[18:59:19] <Flippy1320> the sd card with live or the beagle with unix
[19:00:29] <eFfeM> the card you boot the beagle from, this is a target error msg
[19:00:55] <eFfeM> if you get a prompt you can go to /dev then change things
[19:01:03] <Flippy1320> k
[19:01:06] <eFfeM> it is in your root file system
[19:01:12] <Flippy1320> yeah
[19:01:27] <Flippy1320> just wondering if you wanted me to do that when the beagle booted it or on the ubuntu live cd
[19:01:33] <eFfeM> that is the only thing I can think of, saw this on a different hw two weeks ago
[19:01:55] <eFfeM> it could also be that a /dev/*tty* is missing (e.g. /dev/ttyS0 or so), not sure what beagle exactly needs
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[19:02:12] <Flippy1320> says no such file or directory
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[19:02:44] <Flippy1320> when i do ls /dev/ i see the tty directories
[19:03:31] <eFfeM> i would expect this not to be a dir, but only a file
[19:03:39] <eFfeM> what does ls -l /dev/tty* say
[19:04:55] <eFfeM> afk for 10 minutes or so
[19:05:18] <Flippy1320> ok
[19:05:52] <ds2> the job controlnot available is due to the attached tty not being fully associated with the current session
[19:06:08] <Flippy1320> when you get back, it lists tty and tty0 to tty8 where permissions crw-rw-rw-
[19:06:10] <ds2> typically, it happens if you are not going through getty
[19:06:42] <Flippy1320> could it be the bootargs?
[19:11:27] <eFfeM> not bootargs, but the remark from ds2 made some things surface
[19:11:36] <eFfeM> is init running? and getty ?
[19:11:50] <eFfeM> actually thought it was init related
[19:12:08] <eFfeM> can you list the last few lines before you get the cannot access tty msg
[19:14:03] <Flippy1320> says it Mounted Root (ext3 filesystem)
[19:14:06] <Flippy1320> then Freeing Memory
[19:14:17] <Flippy1320> then it says the job control problem
[19:15:35] <eFfeM> and is init running ?
[19:15:43] <Flippy1320> how can i check that
[19:15:54] <eFfeM> ps ax | grep init
[19:16:20] <eFfeM> i seem to recall when I had this problem i had a msg about getty or init before that
[19:16:39] <Flippy1320> says error: /proc must be mounted
[19:16:45] <Flippy1320> and more stuff about it
[19:17:02] <eFfeM> hm, no /proc; that is odd
[19:17:07] <eFfeM> from memory:
[19:17:14] <eFfeM> mount -t proc /proc /proc
[19:17:21] <eFfeM> you also might need
[19:18:09] <eFfeM> mount -t proc proc /proc
[19:18:25] <eFfeM> (only one /, blush)
[19:19:20] <Flippy1320> the mount -t proc proc /proc says its already mounted but the first one says it cannot open /etc/fstab no such file or directory
[19:20:16] <eFfeM> the /etc/fstab file contains the list of filesystems that are mounted upon startup
[19:20:34] <eFfeM> do you have /etc/fstab ? (cmd: ls -l /etc/fstab)
[19:21:14] <Flippy1320> nope
[19:21:18] <eFfeM> i'm surprised ps gives you the error that /proc must be mounted but when mountin git says /proc is already mounted
[19:21:31] <eFfeM> hm.
[19:21:35] <eFfeM> one sec
[19:21:40] <Flippy1320> k
[19:23:44] <eFfeM> you have /proc ?
[19:23:46] <eFfeM> ls -l /proc
[19:24:31] <Flippy1320> yeah
[19:24:35] <Flippy1320> lists a bunch of files
[19:24:57] <eFfeM> ok, so it is mounted
[19:25:04] <eFfeM> and ps ax does not work ?
[19:25:24] <Flippy1320> it did now
[19:25:38] <Flippy1320> probably since i did the
[19:25:39] <Flippy1320> mount -t proc proc /proc
[19:25:56] <eFfeM> ah ok
[19:26:02] <eFfeM> and is init running ?
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[19:26:32] <Flippy1320> how i check that again
[19:26:33] <eFfeM> btw where did you dl the code from that is on your sd card ?
[19:26:38] <eFfeM> ps ax | grep init
[19:26:56] <eFfeM> or manually inspect the output of ps for a line containing init
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[19:27:03] <eFfeM> the line grep init does not count :-)
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[19:27:19] <Flippy1320> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/ is where i got the files
[19:27:42] <Flippy1320> when i enter that command it does enters it and goes to next line
[19:28:01] <Flippy1320> should i be seeing some text being returned
[19:28:36] <eFfeM> hm, i would expect the cmd
[19:28:40] <eFfeM> ps ax | grep init
[19:28:57] <eFfeM> at least to return a line saying grep init at the end
[19:29:48] <eFfeM> you said you didn't have /etc/fstab, but do you have other files in /etc ?
[19:29:57] <Flippy1320> if i do just ps ax it gives me a list
[19:30:09] <Flippy1320> if i do ps ax | grep init it just give me a new lin
[19:30:10] <Flippy1320> line
[19:30:17] <Flippy1320> to type more commands
[19:30:31] <eFfeM> hm odd
[19:31:33] <Flippy1320> the only problem i had when i was trying to access the ext3 partition was i was having problems getting files onto it, i would have to do sudo commands
[19:31:46] <Flippy1320> and when i was done, it had trouble umount
[19:31:59] <eFfeM> then probably not all files are written
[19:32:11] <Flippy1320> but every time i do the sd card again, it does it all the time
[19:32:15] <Flippy1320> it untarred fine
[19:32:29] <eFfeM> you ran umount as root (or under sudo)?
[19:32:31] <Flippy1320> just had to sudo tar -jxvf
[19:33:10] <Flippy1320> (i assume) i was at root and then i tried sudo and gave me problems
[19:33:15] <eFfeM> just downloaded Angstrom-Beagleboard-demo-image-glibc-ipk-2008.1-test-20081205-beagleboard.rootfs.tar.bz2
[19:33:22] <eFfeM> and this one has an /etc/fstab in it
[19:33:49] <Flippy1320> thats the one i used
[19:33:54] <eFfeM> do you have /dev/ttyS0 and /dev/ttySA0 ?
[19:34:06] <eFfeM> not sure if that matters
[19:34:12] <Flippy1320> when i do ls /dev/ on the beagle, it mentions it does
[19:34:19] <eFfeM> ok
[19:34:26] <eFfeM> still it seems your card image is incomplete
[19:34:43] <Flippy1320> so try reformatting the ext3 partition?
[19:35:25] <eFfeM> your pc is running ubuntu
[19:35:26] <eFfeM> ?
[19:35:39] <Flippy1320> i have like two computers running
[19:35:48] <Flippy1320> one for this, and one for ubuntu live cd
[19:36:35] <eFfeM> put the sd card in a cardreader, connect to ubuntu pc; reformat card, make new ext3 partition, mount it, untar in it; make sure to do something like cd / then umount (you cannot umount if the dir is in use)
[19:38:11] <eFfeM> if umount does not work there is a (nasty) workaround: give the command sync and wait a minute or so; or, even beter, but more cumbesome: shut down your pc to which you connected the card reader (the proper way, not by pulling the plug)
[19:38:38] <Flippy1320> i did the pulling the plug, i think that maybe causing the problem
[19:38:52] <eFfeM> then it will not flush buffers to the card
[19:39:02] <Flippy1320> so if it still gives me problems, just shutdown
[19:39:25] <eFfeM> if yyou waited a while pulling the plug might not be a problem, but generally this is not advisable...
[19:40:16] <Flippy1320> ok, so before i reformat, i loaded up the linux partition and its saying in the file browser that etc cannot be displayed due to permissions... is that normal?
[19:40:35] <Flippy1320> so is a bunch of other folders
[19:40:47] <Flippy1320> usr, lib, mnt, bin
[19:41:22] <eFfeM> i would expect that you can browse them, otherwise the permissions are wrong
[19:41:30] <eFfeM> you can check with ls -ld /etc
[19:41:54] <eFfeM> should say something like drwxr-xr-x
[19:42:59] <Flippy1320> says drwx------
[19:43:15] <eFfeM> that means only the owner has permissions,
[19:43:18] <eFfeM> does not look good
[19:44:11] <eFfeM> guess you messed up somewhere
[19:44:18] <Flippy1320> just reformat and reinstall again?
[19:44:25] <eFfeM> yup
[19:44:38] <Flippy1320> ok i'll set by set to see if i mess something up
[19:44:42] <Flippy1320> umounting
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[19:45:24] <eFfeM> is the card now in the beagle or on your unix pc ?
[19:45:29] <Flippy1320> pc
[19:45:36] <eFfeM> ok
[19:45:50] <Flippy1320> now i am 'sudo mkfs.ext3
[19:45:59] <eFfeM> ok
[19:46:02] <Flippy1320> with just -L and location
[19:46:27] <eFfeM> guess that is fine, i don't use mkfs.ext3 that often so don't know the options by heart
[19:46:47] <Flippy1320> i just do it cause i am following the tutorials
[19:46:52] <eFfeM> ok fine
[19:47:52] <Flippy1320> ok its formatted
[19:48:18] <eFfeM> good
[19:48:31] <eFfeM> do you have the tar file unzipped ?
[19:48:41] <Flippy1320> not yet
[19:49:01] <Flippy1320> to mount by command its mount /dev/mmcblk0p2 /media/LABEL?
[19:49:30] <eFfeM> sounds ok
[19:49:37] <Flippy1320> says only root can do that
[19:49:40] <Flippy1320> so sudo?
[19:49:45] <eFfeM> yes
[19:49:56] <Flippy1320> says point does not exist
[19:50:16] <eFfeM> then just mount to /mnt i.s.o. /media/LABEL
[19:50:49] <Flippy1320> ok do when i do df -h it says the path is /mnt
[19:50:55] <Flippy1320> so*
[19:51:06] <eFfeM> yes
[19:51:23] <eFfeM> btw which tutorial are you following?
[19:51:39] <Flippy1320> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardBeginners#Writing_the_.C3.85ngstr.C3.B6m_image_into_the_SDcard_and_finally_booting_GNU.2FLinux
[19:51:44] <eFfeM> there are a few of them floating around
[19:51:48] <Flippy1320> yeah
[19:51:55] <Flippy1320> i noticed
[19:52:19] <eFfeM> now cd /mnt
[19:52:33] <Flippy1320> k
[19:52:35] <eFfeM> and tar -jxvf
[19:52:50] <eFfeM> tar under sudo
[19:53:04] <eFfeM> so
[19:53:12] <Flippy1320> so sudo tar
[19:53:17] <eFfeM> sudo tar -jxvf ..../Angstrom-Beagleboard-demo-image...
[19:53:33] <eFfeM> the exact path depoends on where your img is stored
[19:54:12] <eFfeM> if you copied the image it is sudo tar -jxvf Angstrom-Beagleboard-demo-image...
[19:54:17] <eFfeM> is it untarring
[19:54:25] <eFfeM> (that will take a little time)
[19:54:46] <Flippy1320> just trying to find desktop under linux path... newish to linux
[19:54:59] <eFfeM> ~/Desktop ?
[19:55:20] <Flippy1320> yeah, didn't know that, the ~
[19:55:38] <Flippy1320> untarring
[19:55:41] <eFfeM> ~/ is your home dir
[19:55:58] <eFfeM> ok ping me when the untarring is done before the umount
[19:57:44] <Flippy1320> done
[19:57:56] <eFfeM> ok now do this.
[19:57:58] <eFfeM> cd /
[19:58:05] <eFfeM> ls -ld /mnt/etc
[19:58:06] <Flippy1320> k
[19:58:21] <eFfeM> it should now say drwxr-xr-x ...
[19:58:25] <Flippy1320> yep
[19:58:27] <eFfeM> or something like that
[19:58:31] <eFfeM> ok next test
[19:58:34] <eFfeM> ls -l /mnt/etc/fstab
[19:58:39] <eFfeM> does it exist?
[19:58:47] <Flippy1320> yes
[19:58:50] <eFfeM> ok
[19:58:54] <eFfeM> sudo umount /mnt
[19:59:00] <eFfeM> should not give an error
[19:59:38] <Flippy1320> mine is still waiting to umout
[19:59:55] <eFfeM> it is flushing its buffers
[20:00:08] <Flippy1320> i see
[20:00:11] <eFfeM> can take a while also depends on the speed of your flash card and the buffers in your system
[20:00:28] <Flippy1320> since it did transfer a whole image
[20:00:34] <eFfeM> if your card reader has a light you'll see it is still accessing the card
[20:00:37] <eFfeM> writing data
[20:00:42] <Flippy1320> yeah still is
[20:00:53] <eFfeM> ok, in a while it will settle down
[20:01:35] <eFfeM> sd cards are not the best medium for small files
[20:01:38] <Flippy1320> k done
[20:01:56] <eFfeM> if the umount is done, then you should be able to boot your beagle using the card and not get the tty error
[20:01:58] <Flippy1320> first time it didnt give me problems
[20:02:04] <Flippy1320> trying the beagleboot now
[20:02:14] <eFfeM> ok, gl (fingers crossed)
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[20:04:45] <Flippy1320> midway loading, i see the angstrom background loading image, first time i seen that.... hopefully didnt jinx it
[20:08:24] <eFfeM> and ?
[20:08:44] <Flippy1320> still configuring files
[20:09:19] <Flippy1320> splash image went away but serial console still says configuring files, on libgnome
[20:09:26] <eFfeM> ok, not sure how this should proceed, but you passed the problem you had before
[20:09:50] <Flippy1320> yeah, way past it
[20:09:52] <Flippy1320> thank you
[20:09:58] <eFfeM> yw
[20:10:21] <eFfeM> (not too bad for someone who has never been closer to a beagleboard than 10 meter)
[20:10:49] <Flippy1320> really?
[20:11:05] <eFfeM> yup, was just lurking in because I saw one and wanted to buy one
[20:11:08] <Flippy1320> hey, u know more about linux than i did
[20:11:11] <eFfeM> but I am an old time unix user
[20:11:20] <sakoman> Flippy1320: the first boot takes a *really* long time, so be patient
[20:11:31] <eFfeM> started unix in 1985 as a user and in 1986 as a programmer
[20:11:42] <Flippy1320> yeah, i remember reading it takes a while
[20:11:58] <Flippy1320> lol, u were a programmer when i was born
[20:12:41] <eFfeM> <grin>
[20:12:47] <eFfeM> I'm from 1958
[20:12:47] <Flippy1320> not in a bad way
[20:13:03] <eFfeM> see http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Profiles/EFfeM on what I did for NSLU2
[20:13:08] <Flippy1320> its one of those thing i wish i had a class or something that would force me to learn unix
[20:13:32] <eFfeM> buy a book or find an online course
[20:13:42] <eFfeM> and experiment (perhaps make a backup of your card before nuking it)
[20:14:17] <Flippy1320> i am thinking about getting a new laptop and make my old one linux or my old desktop linux
[20:14:23] <Flippy1320> done
[20:14:32] <eFfeM> actually want to buy a beagle, but with c1 coming up, a rev b board seems a little bit of a waste
[20:14:37] <eFfeM> nice! congrats
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[20:14:50] <eFfeM> you might also run linux in a virtual machine
[20:15:04] <eFfeM> anyway, need to sign off, enjoy your card
[20:15:33] <Flippy1320> thanks again for all your self
[20:15:46] <Flippy1320> help*
[20:16:03] <eFfeM> my pleasure (and hey it is christmas <grin> )
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[20:23:42] <ds2> I wonder how many people would pay for a JC (junior college) style Linux class done online
[20:40:10] <sakoman> ds2: are you considering that as an alternative to splitting firewood for a living? ;-)
[20:41:59] <sakoman> ds2: IIRC Bill Gatliff seems to do OK doing training classes
[20:42:19] <sakoman> His are "in person" classes though
[20:43:21] <sakoman> ds2: http://venus.billgatliff.com/training
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