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[01:05:28] <atin_> koen, right - ubuntu has /dev/input/uinput
[01:05:39] <atin_> but here I don't get that
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[01:37:04] <torus> hi.
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[01:55:15] <Gamestah|007`AFO> oh hi
[01:55:17] <Gamestah|007`AFO> :)
[01:55:36] * Gamestah|007`AFO jsut found out about beagle board, i likey this very much
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[02:04:35] <Beagle3> Hello
[02:05:31] <Beagle3> I am going to start a proyect with a beagleboard,
[02:05:42] <Beagle3> i have never worked with it before
[02:05:51] <mru> you'll love it
[02:06:01] <Beagle3> is it to hard to install linux?
[02:06:06] <mru> not at all
[02:06:19] <mru> if you have some familiarity with linux to begin with
[02:06:30] <Beagle3> yes
[02:06:59] <Beagle3> so how will i install it on the board?
[02:09:02] <Beagle3> should i download de ubuntu cd on the SD card?
[02:09:16] <Beagle3> or how should i begin?
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[03:24:26] <atin_> Oh well, Beagle3 will be back after his CD doesn't work :)
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[03:30:32] <atin_> I finally managed to just hand insmod uinput and can make my wii remote do button clicks on the bb. Not everything works - and I still don't understand why uinput won't start when I build it into the kernel rather than as a module.
[03:31:03] <atin_> I'll ask koen tomorrow :) - g'nite.
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[09:19:58] <koen> ds2: http://www.gitorious.org/projects/musb/repos/mainline/logs/master
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[10:07:48] <florian> good morning
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[11:32:19] <torus> moin moin!
[11:36:43] <florian> hi torus
[11:38:40] <torus> hi florian.
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[11:57:30] <Beagle2> does any one know if there are any 3g/GPRS dongles compatible with the beagle board and linux
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[12:02:19] <Stskeeps> Beagle3: i suspect huawei usb dongles would do the trick
[12:02:52] <Beagle3> thanks Stskeeps
[12:03:18] <Stskeeps> you still need to power it with a usb hub though
[12:05:53] <Beagle3> I want to quickly put together a remote datalogger, Beagle board looks good, so im going to put one with a battery in a box and add a 3g modem
[12:06:33] <Beagle3> is Angstrom the best distro to use? are there any others?
[12:24:53] <torus> does anyone knows how to allow accesss to the performance-counter registers? There is a bit in cp15, but i cant set it from usermode...
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[12:47:14] <Gamestah|007`AFO> is it possibel to run xp on the beagle board?
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[12:49:02] <torus> short answer: no, its not.
[12:49:14] <Gamestah|007`AFO> long answer?
[12:49:23] <ldesnogu> torus: you need to change a bit in cp15 0,c9,c14,0; see section 3.2.52 of Cortex-A8 TRM
[12:49:49] <torus> the beagleboard has a ARM cpu. that one is not compatible with intel or athlon processors. It's a completely different beast.
[12:49:50] <Gamestah|007`AFO> because i was thinking of using them for car computers
[12:49:59] <Gamestah|007`AFO> oh ic
[12:49:59] <ldesnogu> Gamestah|007`AFO: long answer is: Beagle uses an ARM processor and MS didn't release XP for ARM
[12:50:05] <Gamestah|007`AFO> ic
[12:50:18] <Gamestah|007`AFO> hmmm
[12:50:18] <torus> idesnogu, can I do that without writing a kernel-module?
[12:50:22] <ldesnogu> and why do you need XP for car computer?
[12:50:40] <Gamestah|007`AFO> well i use minitx as teh main pc
[12:50:50] <ldesnogu> torus: you can't write that bit without a module indeed, or without hacking the boot :)
[12:51:04] <Gamestah|007`AFO> and was goona hook up one of these beutes to screen on the headrests in the back
[12:51:19] <Gamestah|007`AFO> for passengers
[12:51:39] <torus> assuming I give a sh*t about security. What are my options? Can I hack it somehow?
[12:52:05] * torus never did a kernel-driver and does not compile his own kernels, so it's user-mode for me..
[12:52:56] <torus> (compiling the kernel for the bb never worked for me for some reason)
[12:57:34] <ldesnogu> torus: if you can't compile the kernel, I am afraid there's not much you can do
[12:58:03] <ldesnogu> torus: on the other hand, try to find a kernel with oprofile enabled, that might help
[12:58:14] <ldesnogu> provided oprofile now works...
[12:59:24] <torus> good idea. I'll look into this.
[12:59:38] <torus> and maybe I'll give kernel-compiling yet another try. It can't be that hard..
[13:00:23] <Crofton|work> oprofile works in Angstrom :)
[13:00:49] <Crofton|work> I know everyone is sick of koen and I saying, it works in Angstrom :)
[13:02:47] <ldesnogu> Crofton|work: IIRC some people had lockups when using oprofile a few months ago; did that disappear?
[13:03:04] <Crofton|work> I done some profiling, not a huge amount
[13:03:11] <ldesnogu> torus: kernel compiling should be easy
[13:03:11] <Crofton|work> I got results b4 a lockup
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[13:03:18] <torus> Crofton, good to know.. I thought about updating anyway. My Angstrom build is quit dated.
[13:03:58] <jsync> hi everyone !!! Any angstrom toolchain experts here ?
[13:04:14] <Crofton|work> depends on the question :)
[13:04:49] <jsync> I want to know which is patch for neon support in angstrom toolchain.
[13:05:46] <Crofton|work> hmm
[13:06:02] <Crofton|work> I don't think there is a specific patch
[13:06:05] <Crofton|work> just recent gcc
[13:06:14] <jsync> 4.3.1..???
[13:06:16] <Crofton|work> or use the csl
[13:06:34] <jsync> i tried.. it failed while building ffmpeg.mru
[13:07:10] <ldesnogu> jsync: how did it fail?
[13:07:23] <ldesnogu> fyi mru uses 2007q3
[13:07:24] <jsync> ok.. another question! why there are two versions of gcc getting build in angstrom toolchain
[13:07:50] <Crofton|work> not sure
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[13:09:16] <jsync> Crofton|work, ldesnogu: i am not using either angstrom or csl.. i am trying to build a tool chain 4.3.2, glibc2.7 binutils-2.19
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[13:10:10] <ldesnogu> jsync: so how does that fail to compile ffmpeg?
[13:10:11] <jsync> it compiles pretty well with the kernel and userspace code except for the neon in ffmpeg.mru
[13:10:53] <jsync> ldesnogu: it compiled ffmpeg, but without neon support :-(
[13:11:14] <ldesnogu> you perhaps misconfigures ffmpeg then
[13:12:18] <ldesnogu> here is how I do it: ./configure --enable-cross-compile --cc=/home/ldesnogu/work/Cross/arm-2007q3/bin/arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc --arch=arm --cpu=cortex-a8 --extra-cflags='-mfpu=neon -mfloat-abi=softfp'
[13:12:32] <ldesnogu> obviously you have to change the path to the compiler
[13:13:21] <jsync> this is the configuration i use http://pastebin.com/m1de1dc83
[13:14:24] <jsync> also this flag too -mfloat-abi=softfp
[13:14:26] <ldesnogu> use the one I proposed, yours is too long and lacks softfp
[13:16:46] <jsync> ldesnogu: there is a check for neon support in the configure script right ? when i check back the config.err script there is "bad instruction" error for the neon-support-checking-code
[13:16:59] <jsync> ldesnogu: i will try it right now
[13:20:16] <jsync> ldesnogu: wow cool.. it works !!!!
[13:20:21] <ldesnogu> :)
[13:20:22] <jsync> thanks a lot!!!
[13:20:38] <ldesnogu> you should thank mru not me :)
[13:20:55] <jsync> ldesnogu: i was spending a lot of time thinking my toolchain is wrong or something
[13:22:35] <jsync> if you know him personally .. convey my thanks to him !!!
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[13:39:03] <koen> the ffmpeg OE builds has neon support as well
[13:39:14] <koen> (since it builds from mrus tree)
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[13:47:42] <jkridner> good morning all.
[13:49:47] <koen> good morning all
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[13:52:31] <ScriptRipper> good morning
[13:53:05] <torus> morning jkridner.
[13:53:37] <jkridner> hello torus. I think we met before, but it has been a while.
[13:53:43] <jkridner> perhaps it would be nice to meet again?
[13:53:51] <koen> ldesnogu: do you know whether the "stable at 990Mhz" myth has some verifiable proof?
[13:53:56] <koen> 900MHz, that is
[13:54:02] <jkridner> that is, maybe you can refresh my memory.
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[13:54:20] <ldesnogu> koen: I guess some of the pandora hackers really did it on an EVM board
[13:54:52] <koen> ldesnogu: I only know of zodttd saying that he ran it briefly at 900MHz and that a single demo worked
[13:55:22] <ldesnogu> koen: I also keep on telling them they should not advertize it since it has a high probability of damaging HW in a closed case
[13:55:24] <torus> jkridner, I haven't spend much time with the beagle over the last two month... (to much work to do)
[13:55:45] <torus> jkridner, oh you mean met in person?
[13:55:51] <koen> ldesnogu: I keep seeing people repeat the 900MHz thing on fora
[13:55:53] <jkridner> that could be why I've forgotten what you were working on.
[13:56:01] <jkridner> torus: no, I just meant here.
[13:56:06] <ldesnogu> koen: they are geeks, forget them
[13:56:06] <koen> ldesnogu: but then again, I don't believe anything said in a forum :)
[13:56:21] * koen has an intense dislike for internet fora
[13:56:22] <jkridner> koen: what is fora?
[13:56:31] <ldesnogu> koen: most of them don't even have a clue about anything
[13:56:33] <koen> the plural of forum
[13:56:38] <Crofton|work> jkridner, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odQ-0mjfm4U&feature=channel_page
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[13:57:01] <ldesnogu> jkridner: you should learn latine in your non-existing free time :D
[13:57:07] <koen> Crofton|work: you should get a pico to display the wave or spectrum :)
[13:57:20] <Crofton|work> yeah
[13:57:32] <jkridner> Crofton|work: excellent. audio is a bit low.
[13:57:46] <jkridner> can you record multiple stations at one time?
[13:57:57] <Crofton|work> this is running from a capture file
[13:58:02] <koen> sweet, special comp also has OTG cables
[13:58:05] <jkridner> what is the IF you are bringing in?
[13:58:17] * koen checks dollar to euro ratio
[13:58:25] <Crofton|work> no if yet
[13:59:58] <jkridner> so no demod is done on the Beagle?
[14:00:17] <Crofton|work> the demod is on the beagle
[14:00:39] <jkridner> but you don't have an intermediate frequency?
[14:00:44] <Crofton|work> the input was captured of the air, downconverted and stored in a file on another piece of hw
[14:01:13] <jkridner> what is the sampling rate before and after downconversion?
[14:01:24] <Crofton|work> 250 ksps input
[14:01:40] <Crofton|work> demod runs at that rate, then it is resampled to 48ksps
[14:01:49] <rupeshgujare> jkridner: recently we have released source code for android port on beagle - http://labs.embinux.org/android-porting-on-beagle.html
[14:02:03] <koen> Crofton|work: could you give 'jaaa' a try with a recent 2.6.28rc8 kernel?
[14:02:14] <Crofton|work> jaa?
[14:02:21] <koen> Crofton|work: it's a oscope using the stereo line in
[14:02:27] <koen> it's in the default demo image
[14:02:28] <jkridner> rupeshgujare: I saw that. Thanks!
[14:02:33] <rupeshgujare> can we have this link on following project page ? - http://beagleboard.org/project/android/
[14:02:50] <jkridner> sure. you can even edit it yourself, but I can do it for you right now.
[14:03:13] <rupeshgujare> ohh thank you very much...
[14:03:29] <jkridner> did you put it on the eLinux.org page as well?
[14:04:10] <rupeshgujare> nop, can i edit it?
[14:04:22] <rupeshgujare> i was not sure about permission.
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[14:06:06] <florian> hi prpplague
[14:06:45] <prpplague> florian: greetings
[14:07:05] <jkridner> rupeshgujare: how is this: http://beagleboard.org/project/android/ ?
[14:08:18] <koen> heh
[14:08:38] <koen> it seems someone found a solution for the alsa crash
[14:08:42] <koen> if I read the mail correctly
[14:09:07] <jkridner> rupeshgujare: yes, you have permission to edit. beagleboard.org is meant to be a community site.
[14:09:52] <jkridner> bgat created this project entry, so the edit button will only show up for him, but you can still append /edit when logged in to edit the entry.
[14:10:32] <jkridner> I will lock down ability for others to edit if I ever see any spam or if it becomes unmanageable.
[14:10:53] <rupeshgujare> oki .. we will edit elinux.org as well..
[14:11:24] <jkridner> goal is to spread the work and make it easier on users.
[14:12:12] <jkridner> http://www.beagleboard.org/gitweb/?p=beagleboard.org.git;a=atom shows me when edits happen.
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[14:13:48] <jkridner> ldesnogu: did you mean latin? am I spelling that incorrectly?
[14:13:54] <torus> folks, which git repository should I choose if I want to recompile u-boot?
[14:14:03] <torus> the one from the wiki or the official one?
[14:15:06] <ldesnogu> jkridner: no I am the one who spelled it incorrectly :(
[14:15:15] <rupeshgujare> oki. also can we replace link to my mail on beagleboard to new mail, ie. when we announced code release and link to new video ? - http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/7b422f113ce489b5
[14:15:22] <rupeshgujare> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cetZMUWBHY
[14:16:38] <jkridner> rupeshgujare: done. please confirm.
[14:17:10] <jkridner> also, I won't do this repeatedly. please learn to edit the entries if you plan to continue to update (and I want to encourage you to keep the entry up-to-date).
[14:18:36] <jkridner> the project pages are somewhat "first-come-first-serve" and bgat made the entry first. if you aren't comfortable editing his entry, feel free to add a second one. I'd say it might be better for you to simply confirm with him that you'd like to take it over and I'll make you the owner.
[14:18:48] <jkridner> you can find bill gatliff on the mailing list fairly easily.
[14:20:14] <rupeshgujare> oki.. thanks for all help, i will start communicating with bill gatliff .
[14:24:08] <rupeshgujare> jkridner: http://beagleboard.org/project/android/ looks much better now.. thanks again
[14:25:23] <koen> florian: ping
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[14:28:25] <florian> koen: there should be some space left ;)
[14:30:34] <koen> heh
[14:30:47] <koen> florian: could you give http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/OE/picodlp-control_0.1-r0.1_armv7a.ipk a try?
[14:31:00] <koen> florian: (or read the mail I just sent about it :))
[14:31:39] <gcohler> Anyone seeing icons missing on Enlightenment desktop? It says "4 files" briefly, then nothing shows up. If I open file manager, no icons show up. Weird.
[14:31:55] <koen> gcohler: sakoman and I are seeing the same problem
[14:32:08] <florian> koen: Very nice... I can test, but not before late this evening. I left the BB at home :-(
[14:32:11] <koen> gcohler: upstream broke it, since we only updated to a nwer version
[14:32:32] <gcohler> koen: If you right click and then select Grid Icons, then they show up. But I don't know where to set that default.
[14:32:37] <koen> florian: my pico is in dallas, so I'll take even longer :)
[14:33:14] <florian> koen: heh
[14:33:21] <gcohler> I agree, it appears to be upstream sending pollution downstream. Which just goes to show the three basic rules of plumbing always apply.
[14:33:25] * koen pokes jkridner about testing the control app
[14:33:54] <gcohler> three rules are: Hot left, cold right, s--- flows down. :-)
[14:34:02] * jkridner tries to remember what control app is.
[14:34:13] <koen> jkridner: http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/OE/picodlp-control_0.1-r0.1_armv7a.ipk
[14:34:22] <jkridner> ah.
[14:34:25] <koen> source is at http://cgit.openembedded.net/cgit.cgi?url=openembedded/tree/packages/i2c-tools/picodlp-control/picodlp-control.c
[14:34:39] <jkridner> well, I *just* booted my pico with the test file system provided by the pico team.
[14:35:17] * koen spots a minor bug in the source, it only flips the horizontal bit
[14:35:45] <jkridner> http://beagle.s3.amazonaws.com/pico_sd_ext3.tar.bz2
[14:36:04] * jkridner doesn't have a network connection on his beagle currently.
[14:37:03] <sakoman> gcohler: where are you right clicking?
[14:37:43] <gcohler> on the phone. will respond soon
[14:46:22] <koen> this i2c programming is quite easy
[14:46:42] <koen> there are enough sample on the interweb to copy from :)
[14:54:47] <torus> :-)
[14:55:48] <koen> jkridner: I also I think I debugged the error in the image tool
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[14:56:09] <gcohler> sakoman: If I open a file manager window, then right click in the window, then select ViewMode, then Grid Icons, then the icons show up.
[14:56:15] <koen> jkridner: I suspect I ran the "clean up old files" script with the wrong params while you're image was assembling
[14:56:36] <koen> gcohler: have you tried http://amethyst.openembedded.net/~koen/narcissus/ already?
[14:58:18] <gcohler> koen: No, Looks neat. I'll give it a try. What I've been doing of late is just going to Sakoman's feeds. That way, I have the same image on both the Overo and the BB. I'll give the Narcissus a try.
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[15:02:39] <jkridner> koen: picodlp-control won't wipe out my Pico NV memory, will it?
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[15:04:26] <koen> jkridner: it shouldn't touch register 44
[15:05:09] <koen> it only touches 8 and 9, which are the h and v flipping bits
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[15:19:00] <sakoman> gcohler: thanks. changing to Grid Icons doesn't appear to stick. closing the file manager window and re-opening results in no icons again. I also tried using the File Manger settings panel to set the icon view mode, but that also doesn't work :-(
[15:19:31] <sakoman> So the issue is likely in the code, not in the settings
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[15:31:49] <koen> weird
[15:31:52] <koen> "RECEIVED UTRECHT Sat, Dec 20,"
[15:32:14] <koen> I wonder why DHL doesn't use their timetraval equipment more often
[15:32:24] <gcohler> sakoman: open source is like a twelve-step program... one day at a time.
[15:32:42] <koen> travel*
[15:33:15] <sakoman> gcohler: also "two steps forward, one step back"
[15:33:44] <gcohler> but I must say, progress is indeed generally forward. :-)
[15:33:59] <sakoman> gcohler: I just reverted the version bump to verify that is the issue, will know shortly
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[15:40:15] <RyoKimball> Just a quick question I'm unsure of...
[15:40:15] <RyoKimball> If I were to make a portable device based around the Beagle board and sell it for $600, would that be legal?
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[15:42:22] <torus> RyoKimball, I'm not a lawyer, but I think it's legal. Noone can forbid you to sell your used beagleboard for $600 either :-)
[15:43:34] <RyoKimball> That's my thinking... Thanks, torus
[15:51:43] <koen> RyoKimball: the only snag is that you need to have a copy of the MLO and uboot sources in case one of your customers demands them (if you don't erase the flash)
[15:52:38] <RyoKimball> That shouldn't be too hard... new products always come with a box of CDs that no one uses, right?
[15:52:54] <sakoman> gcohler: interesting, reverting the version bump on e-wm does *not* fix the issue, so perhaps it is the sysactions change ?!
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[15:55:27] <koen> sakoman: it could be one of the base libs as well
[15:55:37] <koen> sakoman: e.g. edbus or ehal
[15:57:55] <sakoman> koen: I know, looking at sysactions first since restart, etc are also broken
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[16:01:43] <gcohler> sakoman: One side question... Koen's builds cause a login screen to show on the DVI. Yours don't. Why's that? I found a checkbox that enables the login. But why is the default different?
[16:02:24] <koen> probably demo purposes
[16:02:47] <koen> I never got around to make a proper packages to turn on autologin by default
[16:03:31] <gcohler> koen: I like your method because it has me logged in as a plain user, so I'm less dangerous. :-) Autologin seems to be as root.
[16:03:50] <koen> yes, that's the bug without autologin
[16:03:57] <koen> it always does it as root
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[16:04:04] <koen> ehm
[16:04:07] <koen> with, not without
[16:04:22] <gcohler> yup.
[16:05:24] <koen> I need to pester florian about that when I have some more time ;)
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[16:07:36] <RyoKimball> v,v
[16:07:36] <RyoKimball> I can't talk myself into/against asking for the Beagle for Christmas.
[16:08:24] <RyoKimball> I want it, but the problem is that I can't really _just_ use the Beagle, I have to get a display and everything else, too.
[16:08:35] <RyoKimball> Which is out of budget...
[16:08:48] <florian> prpplague: Does it work?
[16:10:43] <prpplague> florian: sorry, had to go to a meetings, should be able to test in about 20 minutes
[16:10:59] <florian> prpplague: ok, np
[16:13:28] <sakoman> gcohler: looks like koen has already answered your question
[16:19:27] <sakoman> gcohler: I test many new images each day and got really tired of jumping through the create new user process
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[16:28:58] <torus> RyoKimball, I play around with the beagle without a display.. Works for me.
[16:29:26] <torus> For just toying around with it the console is fine, and I want to do audio in the end anyway.
[16:32:23] <RyoKimball> Ehh... maybe. Despite that as a major setback, the Beagle still is the top of the list.
[16:33:20] <RyoKimball> I'd get the Cowon S9 (although I'm not sure it's in budget...) but I have no idea how hackable it is. I want to be able to put Linux on it and browse the internet and watch movies and do text editing...
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[16:35:08] <koen> sakoman: wince forces touchscreen tutorial onto users, which is a real nuisance when needing to boot linux from wince
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[16:36:12] <koen> florian: the pico does temporal dithering on the image, maybe we can turn that of for certain use cases (e.g. desktop vs movie)
[16:40:17] <florian> koen: yes, looks like we need to see how we can make use of these features
[16:40:40] <koen> I know how, it's all controlled thru i2c :)
[16:40:51] <florian> :-)
[16:41:01] <koen> hopefully Armando is able to debug the tiny app I wrote
[16:41:51] <koen> florian: register 0x26, bit 0
[16:42:02] <florian> koen: hum well, that's the start... but the interesting thing would be how to the right ting in the right situation
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[16:42:40] <RyoKimball> is there a kit to purchase the Beagle with or do I need to pick out stuff like the DHMI/DVI cord and whatnot?
[16:43:23] <koen> RyoKimball: have a look at http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleBoardShoppingList and http://specialcomp.com/beagleboard/index.htm
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[16:48:06] <RyoKimball> Oh, thanks ^,^
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[17:14:37] <florian> koen: would you expect oe stable to build with latest bitbake 1.8 ?
[17:14:51] <torus> sra
[17:15:10] <torus> strange. I never had problems with my usb->serial adapter.. now it does not work anymore under linux..
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[17:18:37] <florian> koen: After updating I get strange error messages like "arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc: Success"
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[17:37:18] <koen> florian: 1.8.12 does env hiding, the stable branch isn't ready for that
[17:38:24] <florian> koen: ok, then I'll use the old one
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[18:06:02] <ds2> hmmm anyone know if the pico has keystone I2C controls?
[18:08:36] <koen> ds2: not that I know off
[18:10:16] <ds2> one can wish
[18:11:40] <koen> ds2: don't touch register 44
[18:15:14] <ds2> both read and write?
[18:16:22] <ds2> the flip controls are handy... if the USB sticktuner + LIRC works, this couldbe a nice projection TV
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[18:18:36] <koen> ds2: I was trying to get the flip controls to work, but I'm temporarely without pico
[18:19:15] <koen> and I'm not a c coder, so I'm really flying blind :)
[18:19:18] <ds2> koen: Heh... and I have guest for the holidays so I can't really work on the projects :(
[18:19:59] * koen hopes DHL doesn't get distracted with the holidays
[18:21:19] <ds2> ewww DHL
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[18:21:35] <ds2> you didn't need to write the program... I think you could have done a shell script instead
[18:21:52] <ds2> there is a userland i2c program to read andwrite from registers
[18:22:07] <koen> new pandora video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKKMj37Psd8
[18:24:27] <ds2> physical keyboard not working yet? ;)
[18:25:06] <koen> AIUI they lack the rubber keymat for the devboard
[18:25:13] <ds2> ah
[18:25:33] <ds2> should've licensed the laser keyboard... one less part to mfg
[18:25:35] <ds2> j/k
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[18:49:14] <JayFoxRox> heya, my ethernet adapted doesn't seem to work. I m using Angstrom..20081205 as rootfs and uImage-2.6.27-r4-beagleboard.bin
[18:51:32] <JayFoxRox> any ideas? I tried lsmod and nothing seems to run | modprobe usbnet doesn't work: "root@beagleboard:~# FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.27-omap1/modules.dep: No such file or directory"
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[18:54:04] <torus> re.
[18:54:17] * torus just learned how to unbrick the beagleboard...
[18:54:55] <torus> I think I'll wait with self-compiled xload and uboot another couple of month.
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[19:22:03] <bkero> JayFoxRox: touch /lib/modules/2.6.27-omap1/modules.dep
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[19:50:41] <JayFoxRox> bkero: touch: /lib/modules/2.6.27-omap1/modules.dep: No such file or directory
[19:54:04] <JayFoxRox> 2.6.26 exists! - but how can I change modprobe to use that?
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[19:55:54] <RobertK> try "depmod -a"
[19:56:28] <JayFoxRox> "WARNING: Couldn't open directory /lib/modules/2.6.22.18-omap3: No such file or directory" & "FATAL: Could not open /lib/modules/2.6.22.18-omap3/modules.dep.temp for writing: No such file or directory"
[19:57:13] <RobertK> mkdir /lib/modules/2.6.22.18-omap3
[19:57:43] <JayFoxRox> ah - works now, but module usbnet not found :P
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[21:18:15] <ScriptRipper> hi,
[21:18:55] <ScriptRipper> i tried to install ubuntu and debian via qemu onto a flash card, for later use with beagle board
[21:19:21] <ScriptRipper> did not succeed with ubuntu nor debian
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[21:20:18] <ScriptRipper> i tried debian lenny armel and ubuntu 8.04 mojo port armv6el-vfp
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[21:20:37] <ScriptRipper> is there any problem with qemu with these variants?
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[21:33:40] <ldesnogu> ScriptRipper, you asked on the wrong channel I think :)
[21:35:39] <ScriptRipper> maybe - because I mentioned qemu?
[21:36:16] <ScriptRipper> But: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian mentions exactly this way.
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[21:38:41] <ScriptRipper> cant I get installation help here?
[21:43:03] <ldesnogu> I didn't know about that page
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[21:47:34] <ScriptRipper> where should I read for installing a beagle board?
[21:48:05] <ldesnogu> you want to build from scratch or just use a prebuilt distro?
[21:48:07] <ScriptRipper> and is ubuntu or debian the better choice.
[21:48:25] <ScriptRipper> I would like to have it fast in the first shot.
[21:48:34] <ScriptRipper> so prebuild would be best I think.
[21:50:30] <ldesnogu> ScriptRipper, try this: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/
[21:51:02] <ScriptRipper> ok.
[21:59:29] <jkridner> I see that some beagle support landed in the final 2.6.28.
[21:59:38] <ldesnogu> nice :)
[22:02:11] <ScriptRipper> just out of curiosity: what is the general difference in "feeling" between using debian, ubuntu and angstrom-distribution
[22:02:22] <ScriptRipper> on beagle board?
[22:02:40] <ldesnogu> can't say, I have never tried debian or ubuntu on any machine
[22:04:25] <ScriptRipper> the root fs of angstrom is just to be put into a say ext3 in flash, then boot?
[22:04:51] <ldesnogu> no!
[22:04:53] <ScriptRipper> and put a kernel somewhere so u-boot finds it?
[22:05:31] <ScriptRipper> I can also read, at least I think :)
[22:05:32] <ldesnogu> just a moment, I find the page on the wiki :)
[22:06:06] <ldesnogu> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardBeginners
[22:06:18] <ldesnogu> basically you need to partition your card
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[22:13:57] <ScriptRipper> partitioning was no problem.
[22:22:45] <ScriptRipper> tnx, did not yet find this link
[22:25:49] <ldesnogu> it's very useful
[22:26:15] <ldesnogu> the only issue I had is that I probably did not copy the MLO file first so the Beagle does not boot on its own
[22:26:28] <ldesnogu> anyway I prefer booting using u-boot :)
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[22:43:34] <ScriptRipper> do I need the serial u-boot console still, or does it boot without serial console then?
[22:44:23] <ScriptRipper> other way around.
[22:44:55] <ScriptRipper> x-loader loads an own u-boot from sd card, not the one in nand flash then?
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[22:58:37] <jkridner> ScriptRipper: there are a handful of x-load images floating around. The latest ones from Sakoman look for u-boot.bin on the SD card first, then attempt to read it from the flash.
[22:58:55] <jkridner> originally, we had 2 versions of x-load, one that read from SD card only and another that read from flash only.
[23:04:06] <ScriptRipper> is there a way to write the u-boot env to the first fat file system directly so in do not need to fiddle with u-boot console?
[23:04:43] <jkridner> you can write it from within Linux.
[23:04:56] <ScriptRipper> aha.
[23:05:16] <jkridner> if you need to boot into Linux without getting to the u-boot console, you can look at http://beagleboard.org/demo/esc#angstrom
[23:05:19] <ScriptRipper> but first i need to boot linux... which means first u-boot fiddling
[23:05:50] <jkridner> I have a hack in u-boot that causes it to ignore the environment variables, thus avoiding the u-boot console.
[23:06:59] <jkridner> there are some headaches with this install process as well, as it *requires* a usb hub with a keyboard and a monitor on the DVI-D port.
[23:07:37] <ScriptRipper> yes, right, thats it exactly.
[23:08:03] <ScriptRipper> discussed about that with sakoman 2 days ago.
[23:08:06] <jkridner> the running of a ramdisk is largely not necessary if you have a Linux host. That was done just to allow people to write the SD cards from Windows.
[23:08:21] <jkridner> the presentation I have there talks about the boot process some.
[23:08:47] <ScriptRipper> i just need to understand it, then i can change it.
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[23:09:43] <ScriptRipper> i looked already into steves u-boot src for omap3. i wanted to figure out how to boot from usb stick :)
[23:09:54] <jkridner> k. The process at that page will (using a Windows host) program a version of Linux onto the flash.
[23:10:17] <jkridner> what interfaces do you have to Beagle now?
[23:10:48] * jkridner wishes that someone would complete a Windows/Mac/Linux USB-only interface solution.
[23:11:15] <ScriptRipper> i have two 5V power supplies, a USB HUB, an SD Card, a HDMI LCD Display
[23:11:28] <ScriptRipper> and a USB mouse and keyboard
[23:11:28] <jkridner> you have 4 boot options on Beagle: SD/MMC, NAND flash, serial, and USB (device, not host).
[23:11:43] <jkridner> oh, then the http://beagleboard.org/demo/esc#angstrom instructions should be perfect for you.
[23:11:50] <jkridner> how do you connect the USB hub to the beagle?
[23:12:00] <jkridner> you have a mini-A connector?
[23:12:08] <ScriptRipper> I tried to figure that out.
[23:12:33] <jkridner> mini-A connector and serial adapters are available from http://specialcomp.com/beagleboard/
[23:12:39] <jkridner> along with a nice little case. :)
[23:12:50] <ScriptRipper> I tried to get also one of these magic mini-A cables, when I bought a USB HUB that also can write SD cards.
[23:13:03] <ScriptRipper> but they did not have one.
[23:13:23] <jkridner> some hubs have mini-A to mini-B cables, but not so often.
[23:13:32] <ScriptRipper> the nice thing is: the USB hub has a mini USB connector.
[23:13:48] <jkridner> so, you just need a mini-A to mini-B cable?
[23:13:52] <ScriptRipper> do mini to mini cables exist?
[23:14:35] <jkridner> http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=WM17135-ND
[23:14:35] <ScriptRipper> they did not have them either...
[23:15:08] <sakoman> ScriptRipper: yes, gumstix sells a miniA to miniB cable that is perfect for connecting to a hub
[23:15:10] <ScriptRipper> yea, I took a look into this alread.
[23:15:11] <jkridner> serial cable: http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail?name=BBC01-ND
[23:15:13] <jkridner> another serial option: http://www.tincantools.com/product.php?productid=16144
[23:15:48] <ScriptRipper> i am here in germany. try to get this tomorrow.
[23:15:48] <jkridner> that serial adapter can be used without the flyswatter as well, if you already have a serial port on your computer.
[23:16:26] <ScriptRipper> problem with serial port: my old pc with serial port broke last week.
[23:16:49] <ScriptRipper> I dont have USB to serial adapter, so need to buy also this ...
[23:17:12] <ScriptRipper> just in time, thats live.
[23:17:42] <ScriptRipper> one last question: where does u-boot store env on beagle?
[23:17:56] <ScriptRipper> NAND flash or SD card?
[23:18:47] <jkridner> http://www.electronicproductonline.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=2043
[23:19:54] <ScriptRipper> tnx. I know what i need to buy. it was just the bad timing, that when i got my beagle board, my old pc with serial broke...
[23:21:15] <ScriptRipper> can I control the u-boot in the beagle from USB?
[23:21:25] <ScriptRipper> directly.
[23:21:37] <jkridner> btw, I gave bad info on this channel in the past. Beagle Rev C1 uses an SMSC USB3326, not USB3322.
[23:21:40] <ScriptRipper> console via USB so to say?
[23:21:57] <jkridner> not yet. software for it is not there.
[23:22:17] <ScriptRipper> I seem to have gotten a Rev B5 beagle board
[23:22:23] <jkridner> I was given a 1.1.4 version that has USBNET support, but it is for an OMAP35x EVM, not Beagle.
[23:22:42] <jkridner> Rev C1 isn't available for another 3 months or so.
[23:23:05] <ScriptRipper> can i do TCP/IP via USB somehow...
[23:23:11] <ScriptRipper> never ever done that.
[23:23:25] <jkridner> once you get into Linux, yes, but support is not there in the u-boot that is on the flash.
[23:23:43] <jkridner> you can load code over USB, but I don't have any u-boot code for you to load.
[23:24:16] <jkridner> http://beagleboard.org/project/USB+download/ is incomplete
[23:24:28] <ScriptRipper> back to this question: one last question: where does u-boot store env on beagle?
[23:25:11] <jkridner> nand flash offset 0x260000-0x280000.
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[23:25:35] <ScriptRipper> ok, NAND flash...
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[23:26:34] <ScriptRipper> so the only way at the moment to get this booting without serial cable is: write self flashing program that got loaded via x-loader and programs NAND
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[23:26:52] <ScriptRipper> env for u-boot, right?
[23:27:38] <jkridner> well, it doesn't need to program the NAND. You can just boot into Linux.
[23:28:09] <jkridner> you just need to have a bootable SD card that has a hacked u-boot to ignore the environment variables in NAND flash.
[23:28:15] <ScriptRipper> ok, other way around: can i boot linux without serial console on u-boot?
[23:28:51] <ScriptRipper> => self compiled u-boot on SD card...
[23:29:07] <jkridner> it is just that the example I provided runs only a ramdisk, rather than have a partitioned card with FAT+ext3, and attempts to write a larger file system (larger than the ramdisk) into the flash.
[23:29:08] <mrc3__> koen, ping
[23:29:10] <jkridner> you can change all of that.
[23:29:33] <mrc3__> i'm using your images (like most people, i assume), and i wonder what kernel would you recommend
[23:29:33] <jkridner> yes, you can boot Linux without ever getting to the serial console.
[23:30:08] <ScriptRipper> by writing an own u-boot onto sd card?
[23:30:13] <jkridner> you need to use the hack to ignore the environment variables, because they are currently set on the NAND flash, and supply a default behavior in u-boot.
[23:30:30] <koen> mrc3__: shortish pong
[23:30:31] <jkridner> yes, and having that card be bootable (requires special format an MLO utility).
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[23:30:39] <mrc3__> kulve, i finally got the keyboard and mouse to work on my beagle! i found an adapter to mini-a
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[23:31:36] <ScriptRipper> let me sum up: write MLO, changed u-boot and u-boot linux image to partition one.
[23:32:02] <mrc3__> koen, it's just that, the kernel sources you use. do you have some pointers_
[23:32:04] <mrc3__> ?
[23:32:10] <ScriptRipper> the changed u-boot has to be compiled so it reads kernel without fiddling
[23:32:31] <mrc3__> also, if you have a blog where you post your latest findings, that would be interesting too
[23:32:31] <jkridner> ScriptRipper: start with http://beagleboard.org/demo/esc#angstrom and work towards removing the parts that program the flash (boot.sh and u-boot.img) and work towards a dual-partitioned SD card (such as with BeagleBoardBeginners instructions) to have a richer set of apps. You can use synergy for the keyboard/mouse and g_ether for network connection.
[23:32:32] <ScriptRipper> from sd card...
[23:32:45] <ScriptRipper> ok...
[23:32:52] <ScriptRipper> i ll do
[23:33:10] <jkridner> yes, then you need a rootfs for Linux.
[23:33:31] <ScriptRipper> thats the part i understand...
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[23:33:35] <jkridner> easy as 1, 2, 3, 4, 5: MLO, u-boot, (no) environment, kernel, rootfs.
[23:33:38] <ScriptRipper> there i have no questions
[23:33:52] <koen> mrc3__: progress is reported to the mailinglist or irc mainly
[23:33:52] <jkridner> MLO on SD card per the demo.
[23:34:02] <jkridner> hacked u-boot per the demo.
[23:34:05] <koen> mrc3__: jason gathers blogs posts so they appear on beagleboard.org
[23:34:09] <ScriptRipper> ok.
[23:34:20] <jkridner> environment handled in u-boot.img (mkubootcmd).
[23:35:11] <jkridner> ScriptRipper: hope that helps. love to see the output in something a bit easier to follow.
[23:35:14] <ScriptRipper> i think i understood now. i come back when i still have questions, if any :)
[23:36:25] <mrc3__> koen, thanks! nighty night!
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[23:37:12] <ScriptRipper> jkridner: tnx for the help...
[23:38:36] <mrc3__> jkridner, are these the recommended sources for kernel?: git://source.mvista.com/git/linux-omap-2.6.git
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[23:39:05] <jkridner> I'm back at the computer ordering pizza for dinner. :)
[23:39:21] <jkridner> mrc3__: yes, but you might want to look at the Angstrom patches as well.
[23:39:43] <jkridner> mrc3__: that same kernel is mirrored on kernel.org under tmlind.
[23:43:25] <mrc3__> jkridner, are those patches here in oe's repository?: http://gitweb.openembedded.net/?p=openembedded.git;a=tree;f=packages/linux
[23:45:11] <jkridner> yes, http://gitweb.openembedded.net/?p=openembedded.git;a=tree;f=packages/linux/linux-omap2-git/beagleboard;h=2fc6cddc8ee91a9ea3222fcd8ad8251dda1f8e0c;hb=HEAD
[23:45:58] <jkridner> http://gitweb.openembedded.net/?p=openembedded.git;a=blob;f=packages/linux/linux-omap_git.bb;h=abff75e9670abb23def832ce6c073b79256f189a;hb=HEAD lists the patches used.
[23:46:32] <jkridner> and which tag they apply to.
[23:46:39] <jkridner> and the URI for the git tree.
[23:46:48] <jkridner> so, http://gitweb.openembedded.net/?p=openembedded.git;a=blob;f=packages/linux/linux-omap_git.bb;h=abff75e9670abb23def832ce6c073b79256f189a;hb=HEAD pretty much tells the whole story.
[23:47:07] <jkridner> you can work from the head of the git tree and selectively choose what patches here you might want to apply extra.
[23:49:36] <mrc3__> jkridner, excellent info! thanks!
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