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[07:35:53] <koen> good morning all
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[10:01:30] <mru> morning
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[10:19:08] <koen> mru: is 'arm-neon' still the best branch to use for the beagle?
[10:21:02] <mru> 'arm' is fine too
[10:21:08] <mru> they're the same
[10:21:34] <mru> but I'd like to kill the arm-neon branch and use only 'arm'
[10:21:45] <mru> so if you switch your scripts to 'arm', that would be good
[10:21:57] * koen does so
[10:28:32] <koen> done, OE now builds from the 'arm' branch
[10:29:23] <mru> I'll try to keep this stable
[10:31:18] <koen> I set it up to build from a specific commit instead of tracking the head
[10:32:25] <mru> I take it you'll keep an eye on it and update from time to time
[10:32:36] <koen> yes
[10:34:42] <koen> if I update ffmpeg I need to make updated packages of gst-ffmpeg, omxil, gnash, etc as well
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[11:33:26] <mru> james trigg trolling again
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[11:34:54] <bjdooks> I used to love RISC OS... back in the early 90s
[11:35:14] <mru> the theme today is video codecs
[11:42:31] <koen> things like "a new generation of" are usually a warning of bullshit coming
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[11:44:15] <mru> he's obviously a troll
[11:46:02] <koen> bah, cleaning up your desk sucks
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[11:49:40] * koen rediscovers a dozen sd cards
[11:51:11] <koen> I wonder how one man with visual studio can come up with a video codec that compresses better than what's around these days
[11:52:33] <mru> trolls can come with the most amazing things
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[12:03:07] <koen> heh
[12:03:17] <koen> I didn't know I had 2 blackfin boards
[12:03:28] * koen can see the actual desk now
[12:04:41] * mru once found a japanese keyboard in a cupboard
[12:05:05] <bjdooks> i've too many samsung boards sitting around, had to put new shelving up to deal with them
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[12:12:46] <jagernot> hello can i buy beagleboard in the uk?
[12:12:54] <mru> yes
[12:13:03] <bjdooks> as long as digikey have some in stock
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[12:13:39] <jagernot> cos i tried to order from usa site i think it says shipping is 79$ :( so i thought it may be cheaper in uk..
[12:13:54] <mru> there is no uk distributor
[12:13:59] <bjdooks> is that the only shipping option?
[12:14:13] <jagernot> thats the cheapest shipping option it lists
[12:14:20] <mru> digikey is the only distributor
[12:14:29] <mru> I don't know what shipping options the offer
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[12:16:12] <jagernot> sorry it is 72.24 $
[12:16:36] <felipec> anyone has messed with the DSP?
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[12:21:18] <jagernot> how do i do opengl programming on beagle?
[12:21:34] <mru> you don't do it at all yet
[12:21:38] <mru> no drivers
[12:22:23] <jagernot> so i should wait?
[12:22:47] <mru> if you want to use opengl you have no choice but to wait for the drivers
[12:23:31] <jagernot> can i do fast graphics
[12:23:34] <jagernot> and also sound
[12:23:47] <mru> sound is a bit buggy at the moment
[12:23:48] <jagernot> my app is a musical instrument which uses opengl as frontend right now
[12:23:53] <mru> there are people working on it
[12:24:24] <jagernot> but i can sacrifice opengl to what works
[12:24:36] <jagernot> the dsp processor sounds tempting!
[12:25:11] <mru> at the moment all you get is framebuffer graphics
[12:25:18] <mru> X can run on that
[12:25:26] <mru> but without acceleration
[12:25:44] <mru> koen: what is X performance like?
[12:26:16] <koen> mru: draws and fills aren't noticable
[12:26:50] <koen> haven't run any benchmarks or tests
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[12:45:56] <Beagle4> What JTAG Device and Cabel required for Beagle Board?
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[13:31:41] <Crofton|work> hmm, the beagle rebooted, bug? or did the cat step on it ....
[13:32:33] <sakoman> good morning!
[13:32:37] <Crofton|work> gm
[13:34:00] <sakoman> for grins I tried all the various git hosting services using my u-boot repo as a test case
[13:34:41] <sakoman> The conclusion I came to is that most of them are badly flawed
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[13:34:51] <Crofton> heh
[13:34:57] <Crofton> maybe git is flawed :)
[13:35:06] <sakoman> I like git :-)
[13:35:09] <mru> heresy!
[13:35:17] <Crofton> I still haven't got it
[13:35:29] <mru> git was handed down to linus from god himself
[13:35:45] <sakoman> I decided I actually like gitweb UI better than most of the commercial interfaces
[13:36:08] <Crofton> I like that
[13:36:20] <sakoman> Maybe I'm just used to it, but most of the others seemed *much* worse
[13:36:33] <mru> gitweb is nice
[13:36:39] <sakoman> I think I'll end up using gitorious
[13:37:07] <sakoman> as a high bandwidth mirror
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[13:37:19] <Crofton> ah
[13:37:29] <Crofton> gitorious is the hosting service?
[13:38:48] <sakoman> yes
[13:38:51] <sakoman> http://gitorious.org/projects/u-boot-omap3/repos/mainline/logs/test
[13:40:47] <sakoman> github wasn't too bad:
[13:40:51] <sakoman> http://github.com/sakoman/u-boot-omap3/commits/test
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[13:44:54] <sakoman> assembla doesn't handle branches very well:
[13:44:56] <sakoman> http://trac-git.assembla.com/sakoman/timeline
[13:47:31] <sakoman> unfuddle forces you to create an account to use the web UI:
[13:47:33] <sakoman> https://sakoman.unfuddle.com/session/new
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[14:08:35] <koen> I bet I can't use swap on an uclinux system, right?
[14:09:07] <mru> koen: why not?
[14:09:17] <koen> because it lacks an mmu?
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[14:10:45] <mru> yes, without mmu swap will be tricky
[14:10:57] <mru> I didn't know uclinux implied no mmu
[14:11:53] <koen> it does
[14:12:00] <koen> you might confuse it with uclibc
[14:14:52] <koen> it only took me a year, but I have finally booted linux on my blackfin board
[14:15:58] * koen notices that is also is using MUSB
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[15:07:37] <Crofton|work> http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=37067
[15:07:46] <Crofton|work> need to run this on the beagle
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[15:51:14] <koen> Crofton|work: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/~koen/gcc-tests-bug37067-armv7a.tar.bz2
[15:51:58] <Crofton> did you run it already?
[15:52:24] <koen> no, I'm cleaning up my desk
[15:52:42] <koen> all board and devices are unplugged and in a pile in the hallway
[15:52:54] * koen is glad that his girlfriend is away this weekend
[15:53:24] <Crofton> ah
[15:53:32] <Crofton> so you can clean up?
[15:53:48] <koen> so I can make a mess while cleaning up :)
[15:56:48] <koen> Crofton|work: that tarball has a few variants of the test app
[16:19:00] <Crofton> koen -O2 works on arm :)
[16:19:19] <Crofton> I had to run it on my F9 box to see the failure
[16:21:25] * mru is sticking with gcc 4.2 yet a while
[16:21:57] * koen wonders why rebooting oe.net is taking 4 days
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[16:24:31] <Crofton> I think there is an acess issue
[16:24:44] <Crofton> does 4.2 work with neon?
[16:25:01] <mru> does 4.3?
[16:25:21] <Crofton> i think it works better then 4.2
[16:25:37] <Crofton> koen, what version gcc did you build those with?
[16:26:05] <koen> 4.3.1 + oe patches
[16:26:33] <Crofton> I wonder if any of the oe patches impact the result
[16:32:43] * vlad_ wonders about oe.net too
[16:33:14] <vlad_> I'd like to build a firefox/xulrunner package, but don't have an OE build env =/
[16:33:43] <koen> eeew, firefox
[16:33:46] <koen> use webkit :)
[16:34:05] <vlad_> no thanks, I prefer a faster browser :)
[16:34:06] * vlad_ works on firefox
[16:34:11] <koen> heh
[16:34:26] * mru feels sorry for vlad_
[16:34:27] <koen> ff3 takes 40MB more ram than epiphany webkit and is a lot slower
[16:34:49] <koen> (on the beagleboard)
[16:34:58] <vlad_> oh hey, were you the one that did the OE build?
[16:35:00] * vlad_ just noticed the name
[16:35:21] <koen> yes, and I had to shower for 2 days straight to get clean again
[16:35:49] <koen> mozilla coders should get kicked in the nuts everytime they generate a header with native tools during a cross build
[16:36:03] <vlad_> I sent an email to angstrom-distro-devel, not sure if it got through.. the mozconfig is pretty broken
[16:36:04] * koen looks at jsautocfg.h
[16:36:28] <vlad_> mm, wonder what broke there, did you file a bug? we used to have good cross support
[16:36:31] <mru> speak not that name
[16:36:34] <vlad_> i'll take a look at it
[16:37:03] <koen> vlad_: the js situation has *always* been broken
[16:37:27] <koen> it's just that arm is 'compatible' with x86-32
[16:37:42] <koen> want bigendian arm, you loose
[16:37:52] <koen> want to build from x86-64, you loose
[16:37:52] <mru> fpa float...
[16:38:02] <mru> mixed endian doubles
[16:38:15] <koen> not to mention that mozilla ignored arm patches for years
[16:38:22] <mru> that bug took a while to find
[16:38:29] <mru> yes, we found it before mozilla upstream
[16:38:42] <mru> and they only fixed half of it
[16:39:15] <koen> vlad_: there's no message from you in the approval queue, could you send it again?
[16:39:26] <vlad_> weird, sure
[16:40:43] <vlad_> resent
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[19:31:00] <koen> Crofton: http://dominion.thruhere.net/git/
[19:31:15] <koen> Crofton: now I need to figure out how to keep that updated :)
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[19:35:44] <Crofton> what we need is a mirror for getting started ...
[19:35:59] <koen> like http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom ?
[19:42:20] <Crofton> clsoe
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