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  • [02:18:16] <dcordes> jkridner: thanks, can you tell me when bb will be available for .eu export?
  • [02:19:10] <dcordes> I contacted digi-key, they first told me it would ship in 3 days and now I found out it's not available at all, at least not for german export.
  • [02:40:52] <dcordes> sorry, the mailing list is full of this topic.
  • [02:43:56] <dcordes> http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/f835147afd4d8317# if somebody had the same question.
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  • [02:45:54] <dcordes> it's not so good that the support tells the customers it is not available at all for export to outside the USA
  • [02:47:38] <Beagle2> hello, any recommendations for dvi-d to vga converter for driving vga displays ?
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  • [02:49:19] <Beagle4> sorry, accidentally logged out..yeah i was asking if there are any recommendations for a dvi-d to vga converter for driving vga displays ?
  • [02:50:34] <BThompson> i havent seen something like that, since it would require a powered deserializer and DAC it is probably not common
  • [02:51:18] <dcordes> Beagle4: fwif: if you cannot find any, maybe look for hdmi>dvi>d-sub? if that's possible
  • [02:54:12] <Beagle4> seems like it would be some expensive device..quick search on goole yield some $300 devices..might as well buy a dvi-d lcd
  • [03:00:30] <Beagle4> could it be this one: http://www.1topstore.com/product_info.php?products_id=1298 ? i thought the device would have some active circuitry for conversion
  • [03:00:56] <Beagle4> this is just $1.55 ??
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  • [03:30:11] <BThompson> id bet that 'DVI-D' statement is a typo
  • [03:35:38] <jkridner> there's no way that is DVI-D and not DVI-I or DVI-A for $1.55.
  • [03:45:58] <jkridner> http://www.consoleshop.com/product.php?productid=20586
  • [03:47:15] <BThompson> if it is just ot use an existing monitor, at that price it is probably more effective to buy a LCD
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  • [04:22:51] <dcordes> jkridner: are there any news on the US-only shipping issue at digi key?
  • [04:24:16] <jkridner> there was a query back from Digi-Key today for some additional documentation that better summarized all of the export guidelines. I believe that went out, but we'll need to hear how things go tomorrow morning US time.
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  • [04:25:43] <dcordes> jkridner: alright thanks. I will chek again tomorrow
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  • [06:04:01] <khasim> can we build only the browser from OE ?
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  • [06:35:50] <koen> khasim: what do you mean?
  • [06:36:12] <kulve> I'm trying to boot the mistral's omap3 evm board from SD card, but when I set the dip switch to MMC boot, I don't get anything to serial line. I've put the signed MLO and u-boot.bin to the first fat32 partition. Any hints what might be wrong?
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  • [06:53:45] <ldesnogu> mru: so how long did the kernel last with the dmb patch?
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  • [07:07:25] <khasim> Koen: Soem one was asking for browser support, I wanted to direct them to OE.
  • [07:10:01] <koen> khasim: if you have the angstrom rootfs the browser (epiphany) is preinstalled
  • [07:10:23] <khasim> Koen: yeah but they don't want to Complete Angstrom
  • [07:10:32] <koen> ?
  • [07:10:48] <khasim> meaning - other applications
  • [07:11:26] <khasim> it is for setup box kind of application
  • [07:12:15] <koen> ah
  • [07:12:28] <koen> yes, you can build browsers with oe
  • [07:12:46] <koen> epiphany, midori, netsurf, minimo, firefox, etc
  • [07:12:54] <khasim> Koen: ok thanks
  • [07:12:59] <kulve> khasim: Movial has browser experience, if they want commercial support ;)
  • [07:13:40] <khasim> Koen: I have movial but looking at other options that don't need special licensing
  • [07:13:50] <ds2> if you want commercial, there is the entire ALP stack
  • [07:14:17] <ds2> nicer browser then firefox, IMO
  • [07:14:57] <koen> ds2: a dog turd is a nicer browser than anything mozilla based
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  • [07:15:30] <ds2> koen: I am speaking from actual usage
  • [07:15:54] <ds2> N800 vs the Netfront (newer version is in ALP) in the Treo650
  • [07:15:55] <kulve> khasim: no special licensing if we just consult/help on setting up gecko/webkit and don't use our own stuff.
  • [07:18:10] <khasim> kulve: ok
  • [07:18:29] <khasim> kulve: can they help us in integrating gnash?
  • [07:19:15] <kulve> you can always ask.. I can provide a proper email for that..
  • [07:20:25] <khasim> I would want to stick to browsers supported by OE, then try to get help in integrating other plugins
  • [07:20:53] <khasim> kulve: thanks, will start some discussion
  • [07:21:20] <koen> khasim: do you really need gnash or just a flash plugin?
  • [07:21:37] <koen> khasim: the swfdec browserplugin is already working
  • [07:21:52] <koen> khasim: OE can build gnash as well, if people really want it
  • [07:22:05] * koen thinks gnash is an overhyped POS
  • [07:22:34] <khasim> :)
  • [07:23:01] <khasim> a flash plugin to start with is good enough
  • [07:25:08] <khasim> koen: I haven't tried swfdec, is this already on your default rootfs for angstrom?
  • [07:27:22] <koen> it should be
  • [07:27:37] <koen> if it isn't: "opkg update ; opkg install swfdec-mozilla"
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  • [07:35:39] <gaipo> some non-us people seem to be getting a bit too impatient... :)
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  • [07:59:52] <josch|nsn> hello there!
  • [08:01:51] <josch|nsn> uuh dcordes ! you here? :D
  • [08:07:31] <mru> morning
  • [08:07:31] <khasim> I saw some cool screen shots with swfdec http://swfdec.freedesktop.org/wiki/ScreenShots, Will have to check on how to validate the same with OE's swfdec
  • [08:08:44] <mru> my patched kernel is still live after 12 hours of video playback
  • [08:09:03] <khasim> mru: great what patch is this?
  • [08:09:16] <mru> one that I hacked up yesterday
  • [08:09:28] <mru> it's a workaround for a cortex-a8 hardware bug
  • [08:10:48] * koen hears patch
  • [08:11:16] <mru> I'll go ahead and commit it to my git repo so you guys can play with it
  • [08:11:25] <koen> yay!
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  • [08:16:11] <ldesnogu> mru: great :) now TI needs to clear things up about what ES revision of OMAP3530 will proliferate....
  • [08:17:56] * mru hopes they'll switch to something with a fixed cpu
  • [08:19:09] <josch|nsn> ah, i'm new to beagleboard/omap3 - i read that they use powervr graphics. are there any open drivers yet?
  • [08:19:32] <mru> no, and by the looks of it, there won't be
  • [08:19:46] * josch|nsn = sad :(
  • [08:20:14] <josch|nsn> but i assume one can live with fb-drivers, right? :)
  • [08:20:32] <koen> mru: which git repo did you commit it to?
  • [08:20:36] <oskude> but at least closed drivers for opengl ?
  • [08:21:46] <mru> koen: hold your horses
  • [08:23:30] * koen holds his horses
  • [08:24:42] <oskude> do i get this right, theres no linux drivers for opengl2.0 ? (just like openmoko)
  • [08:25:06] <josch|nsn> oskude: well for openmoko the glamo chip is too crappy for anyone to bother :(
  • [08:25:27] <josch|nsn> oskude: and since the glamo will be removed anyway in the next version...
  • [08:25:58] <koen> oskude: there are linux drivers
  • [08:25:59] <josch|nsn> oskude: but as i heard you can sign an nda for the glamo specs and start hacking ;)
  • [08:26:04] <mru> there, commited to my linux-omap git
  • [08:26:11] <koen> oskude: we demo'ed opengl at lugradio live 2008
  • [08:26:37] <oskude> koen, and they work as good as intel one ?
  • [08:26:56] <koen> which intel one?
  • [08:27:03] <koen> I didn't know intel has omap drivers
  • [08:27:11] <josch|nsn> :P
  • [08:27:13] <oskude> intel open source graphics driver
  • [08:27:24] <mru> koen: you'll need to pull the latest ffmpeg code too
  • [08:27:34] <khasim> mru: can you just give the http link for yours?
  • [08:27:47] <mru> my what?
  • [08:28:03] <khasim> mru: I am bit drowsy... :(
  • [08:28:13] <khasim> took a tablet for cold,
  • [08:28:19] <koen> mru: I already have the ffmpeg dmb fix
  • [08:28:21] <oskude> i mean, i want an open source platform, but i really need open source 3d drivers, and intel seems the best bet ATM. or can i consider beagleboard too ? (im confused)
  • [08:28:25] <koen> mru: and I patches mythtv with that as well :)
  • [08:28:40] <josch|nsn> oskude: i dont think you can compare those
  • [08:28:50] <koen> oskude: since when does intel have arm chips with open drivers?
  • [08:29:11] <oskude> ... im talking about opengl hardware acceleration chips...
  • [08:29:13] <khasim> mru: I was looking for your GIT tree, I cannot access GIT directly from office, if it can be accessed over http good.
  • [08:29:14] <koen> oskude: all intel arm chips I have seem needed binary only crap for networking, crypto, hs-serial, 3d, etc
  • [08:29:23] <mru> http://git.mansr.com/
  • [08:29:30] <khasim> mru: thanks
  • [08:29:55] <mru> you should be able to pull over http
  • [08:29:58] <josch|nsn> koen: i think oskude wants to know wether there are as good OSS drivers for propriVR as for the intel gma chips
  • [08:30:17] <oskude> im not talking about the CPU, im talking about the GPU... yes thanks josch|nsn :)
  • [08:30:29] <mru> there are no open drivers whatsoever
  • [08:30:33] <khasim> mru: do you see UART3 hangs with your setup as well?
  • [08:30:39] <oskude> ok, sad :(
  • [08:30:44] <josch|nsn> yeah me too
  • [08:31:23] <mru> khasim: no rs232 problems at all
  • [08:31:24] <josch|nsn> but /me just doesnt need 3d on this platform - i can live with framebuffer graphics
  • [08:31:47] <oskude> yeah, you got opengl2.0 hardware but cant use it, what a waste...
  • [08:31:47] <josch|nsn> oskude: and these will work without propri-code
  • [08:32:26] <josch|nsn> sometime ago i heard that there were some efforts on cleanromm reverse engineering the proprivr used in beagleboard and pandora
  • [08:32:48] <khasim> mru: good, we were discussing about UART3 hangs with Sakoman's GIT tree and others as well
  • [08:33:16] <khasim> mru: I havent started exploring yet... just thought of checking with you first
  • [08:33:43] <mru> keep in mind that I'm running a bare minimum configuration
  • [08:34:34] <oskude> maybe you should take that opengl2.0 hardware info at beagleboard.org down, as thats why i came hear... to hear that it's useless... i'm depressed, again...
  • [08:35:00] <mru> always expect the worst when it comes to 3d graphics
  • [08:35:31] <oskude> seems so :(
  • [08:35:40] <josch|nsn> well at least amd and intel decided to open themselves...
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  • [08:36:03] <oskude> yeah, gotta go find a small board with intel graphics then...
  • [08:36:13] <josch|nsn> oskude: what do you want to do?
  • [08:36:26] <mru> you won't find one this cheap and low-power
  • [08:36:32] <josch|nsn> oskude: i see no reason in comparing intel x86 with omap3
  • [08:36:40] <suihkulokki> hehe
  • [08:36:44] <josch|nsn> s/reason/sense/
  • [08:36:47] <oskude> josch|nsn, GPU...
  • [08:37:15] <suihkulokki> I just saw a review where they measured a atom motherboard sucking 60W idle
  • [08:37:19] <oskude> im only interested on opengl, what the CPU is, i dont care (as long linux runs on it;)
  • [08:37:25] <josch|nsn> oskude: well if you go for mobile gpu then take some intel gma ;)
  • [08:37:53] <josch|nsn> suihkulokki: lol 60W?? :D
  • [08:37:58] <mru> intel is good in their area, but they don't have anything that will run off AA batteries
  • [08:38:05] <josch|nsn> right
  • [08:38:13] <josch|nsn> and this is where non x86 comes in
  • [08:38:40] <josch|nsn> this is also why i wont need 3d on such a device
  • [08:38:49] <sweetlilm> anyone know when the Digikey export restrictions debacle is getting fixed? Was supposed to be by today...
  • [08:38:56] <mru> well guys, I have a dayjob to attend... have fun with my patches, and email me if you have any questions
  • [08:38:59] <suihkulokki> oops. 56W idle and 60W active: http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=597&type=expert&pid=8
  • [08:39:10] <oskude> if you use GPU for the GUI, you can save CPU for the rest!
  • [08:39:30] * josch|nsn also wonders why all the netbooks out there are using atom - what a waste! something like omap would be more fitting imho. imagin the battery runtimes!!
  • [08:40:23] <kulve> suihkulokki: does that test show how much the cpu consumes and how much the rest of the "entire system"?
  • [08:42:21] <josch|nsn> suihkulokki: well these are real motherboards - i do not think that current netbooks drain so much power as the battery runtimes wouldnt be this huge then
  • [08:45:58] <bjdooks_> josch|nsn: a lot of power for portables goes to wifi and screen, backlights draw considerable amounts of power
  • [08:46:10] <suihkulokki> kulve: yeah, that's how I'd read it.
  • [08:46:54] <ldesnogu> this article about atom is interesting too: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/Intel-Atom-Efficient,1981.html
  • [08:47:56] <josch|nsn> arrr screw atom
  • [08:48:14] <josch|nsn> those guis proclaming x86 everywhere are the reason for
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  • [08:48:21] <suihkulokki> josch|nsn: intel has a less powerconsuming chipset for atom too, but that one uses the same propiertary powervr graphix
  • [08:48:22] <josch|nsn> still these short battery runtimes
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  • [08:49:02] <josch|nsn> imagine a omap3 combined with a 6600mAh battery in current netbooks - amazing mobility!
  • [08:49:28] <josch|nsn> why isnt this done yet? or take any other arm cpu
  • [08:49:34] <josch|nsn> arm9 would suffice imho
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  • [08:51:52] <josch|nsn> dibs on the first eee901+beagleboard mod! gnarf
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  • [08:59:06] <kulve> nobody here has booted x-loader on EVM from mmc? Is there a more suitable irc channel for asking that?
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  • [09:12:38] <khasim> kulve: we have booted X-loader from MMC
  • [09:12:57] <khasim> kulve: Do you have a NAND or ONENAND?
  • [09:13:17] <khasim> kulve: have you changed your dip switches
  • [09:13:27] <khasim> to change the boot settings
  • [09:13:54] <bjdooks_> josch|nsn: because there's not enough power saving to make up for the loss of cpu power
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  • [09:18:38] <josch|nsn> bjdooks_: you think the people want more processing power instead of a 12h netbook?
  • [09:20:34] <bjdooks_> and as noted, you'll not get 12h, the lcd panel and backlights eat too much power
  • [09:21:36] <kulve> khasim: we have the Samsung onenand on the board. I have changed the dip switched (sw4-5 from off to on).
  • [09:22:39] <kulve> but after changing the dip, I don't get anything to serial when turning on the power
  • [09:23:02] <josch|nsn> bjdooks_: well there is the eee901 which gets up to 7h and uses lcd backlight
  • [09:23:02] <kulve> I built u-boot and the x-loader with default settings. Should I configure something in those?
  • [09:23:51] <josch|nsn> eh... led backlight of course...
  • [09:25:03] <khasim> kulve: where did you get the sources for u-boot and x-loader from?
  • [09:25:09] <josch|nsn> and there is the pandora handheld which is said to last for 10h with 4000mAh battery - now take a 6600mAh battery from a netbook---
  • [09:25:29] <kulve> khasim: I took them from the mistral site, but I tried also something I found from the TI site
  • [09:25:32] <khasim> kulve: did you try both the UARTs?
  • [09:25:37] <kulve> no
  • [09:25:57] <khasim> kulve: will check for a correct image and get back.
  • [09:26:13] <khasim> I also think it is time to upload latest versions of sources for EVM.
  • [09:26:21] <khasim> on linux.omap.com
  • [09:26:27] <kulve> I though that but assumed that it's the uart1 I've been using with the x-loader and u-boot that are flashed on the board
  • [09:26:28] <khasim> will do that as priority
  • [09:28:15] <kulve> actually I didn't took the images from TI site but from the linux.omap.com
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  • [09:30:36] <khasim> kulve: I have a board with Micron NAND and it works for MMC boot.
  • [09:31:39] <khasim> kulve: I am moving around to find if some one has tried the same with samsung NAND
  • [09:32:29] <khasim> kulve: Do you have access to mistral's tool ITBOK for UART boot, just to upgrade NAND flash?
  • [09:36:35] <kulve> I have source for the ITBOK, but I don't really know what it is and haven't tried it
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  • [10:14:51] <skyul> Hi
  • [10:15:40] <skyul> Does BeagleBoard provide a OpenGL ES 2.0 linux driver and SDK?
  • [10:16:14] <josch|nsn> lol does EVERYONE being new here ask this question? :D
  • [10:16:19] <josch|nsn> this sounds like an FAQ
  • [10:17:36] <skyul> Where can I find the FAQ?
  • [10:21:19] <josch|nsn> skyul: me and oskude (who already left) asked exactly the same a few hours ago ;)
  • [10:21:33] <josch|nsn> but afaik there is no oss driver
  • [10:21:38] <josch|nsn> sadly...
  • [10:22:09] <kulve> no oss driver and most likely there never will be an open source driver
  • [10:22:58] <josch|nsn> skyul: but also afaik you can still display graphics through fb - but ofcourse without acceleration then but at least with 100% oss
  • [10:23:01] <kulve> this channel has really got more active and URL in the topic to FAQ would probably ease things a bit :)
  • [10:23:19] <josch|nsn> kulve: probably ;)
  • [10:23:22] <kulve> josch|nsn: yeah, only the 2d/3d hardware is closed
  • [10:24:34] <josch|nsn> yeah as long as i can live without propri code having no 3d accel and only fb works fine for me
  • [10:27:24] <skyul> then where can i get the binary kernel module for opengl driver? i need to demo some opengl based 3d effects on embedded devices.
  • [10:27:25] <josch|nsn> http://www.google.de/search?hl=en&q=beagle+board+faq <= no faq?
  • [10:28:05] * cian (n=cian@cian.ws) Quit (Remote closed the connection)
  • [10:28:14] <josch|nsn> there has to be some "only 99% oss" badge somewhere :P
  • [10:28:37] <kulve> skyul: even that's not publicly available. It might be available at some point in the future though. Maybe.
  • [10:29:13] <josch|nsn> did i miss anything else being closed on beagle?
  • [10:29:49] <kulve> maybe some DSP tasks for video decoding/encoding? At least I know there are those but not publicly..
  • [10:30:07] <ldesnogu> josch|nsn: twl4030 has no public TRM yet; omap3530 hardware accelerators in IVA2.2 are not documented
  • [10:30:07] <josch|nsn> ah so nothing of high importance
  • [10:30:12] <ldesnogu> do you want more? :-)
  • [10:30:21] <josch|nsn> of course!
  • [10:30:26] <josch|nsn> is this documented somewhere?
  • [10:30:46] <josch|nsn> i think a lot of people want to know to which we have a spec/api and to what not
  • [10:30:58] <kulve> yeah, that would be nice to have clearly documented
  • [10:31:13] <ldesnogu> so 1. look at BB component list, search for documentation; 2. look at omap3530 description, search if everything is described in the TRM
  • [10:31:34] <ldesnogu> might be funny but time consuming ;)
  • [10:31:56] <ldesnogu> anyway the BB is *very* open
  • [10:32:38] <ldesnogu> I think open source zealots should look somewhere else, but the will have a very hard time to find a platform that is fully documented :)
  • [10:32:57] <josch|nsn> hehe too true ;)
  • [10:33:16] <josch|nsn> not even the openmoko folks have accomplished this yet
  • [10:35:41] <skyul> I am a newbie, so this might be a silly question. can I get the opengl es driver (proprietary) if I purchase a BeagleBoard?
  • [10:35:59] <kulve> nope
  • [10:36:31] <skyul> why is so?
  • [10:36:38] <kulve> afaik, beagleboard comes without sw and you need to get any sw you want from the net. And the opengl es driver are not in the net.
  • [10:38:47] <skyul> do you mean i have to port linux from scratch when I get a BeagleBoard?
  • [10:39:19] <kulve> luckily people have done that for you already :)
  • [10:39:27] <kulve> but it's all 100% open source
  • [10:40:37] <skyul> so there is no way to use 3d hardware right now?
  • [10:41:03] <josch|nsn> yes
  • [10:42:38] <josch|nsn> with enough fame of beagle and pandora maybe some crazy fellow might look into reverse engineering it but i doubt that this will happen soon and that those efforts are really useful - you see how well they did the nvidia open source driver which is far from being usable for gaming
  • [10:49:15] <josch|nsn> i very much envy the people with enough skill to do reverse engineering. i think most of them do it more out of technical challenge than for practical reasons? i dont want to say there effort is wasted but imho one should instead support those manufacturers that actively support oss
  • [10:49:32] <josch|nsn> s/there/their/
  • [10:50:33] <kulve> but when you have Imagination tech's chip, there's no point in supporting nvidia/etc :)
  • [10:51:40] <josch|nsn> there is no point in supporting nvidia anyway :D
  • [10:52:36] * koen has working 3d on his board when using the TI kernel
  • [10:52:48] <josch|nsn> koen: o0 ??
  • [10:53:08] <josch|nsn> ah so there *is* some binary but under nda?
  • [10:54:00] <koen> I said earlier today that we demod 3d at lugradiolive 2008
  • [10:54:10] <josch|nsn> ;)
  • [10:54:12] <josch|nsn> okay ^^
  • [10:54:53] <kulve> koen: with close source sgx driver?
  • [10:55:50] <josch|nsn> koen: YOU DECODED 720p MATERIAL ON THE FLY???
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  • [10:56:20] <koen> josch|nsn: no, the cortex-a8 did that
  • [10:56:28] <josch|nsn> o0
  • [10:56:47] <koen> kulve: yes, closed source sgx driver
  • [10:57:00] <josch|nsn> well are you sure that nobody hid a core2duao box somewhere under teh desk?
  • [10:57:14] <koen> kulve: although imgtec claims to have GPL kernel drivers (you'd still need the binary only GL drivers)
  • [10:58:13] <kulve> koen: 720p decoding with ffmpeg?
  • [10:58:33] <josch|nsn> bjdooks_: and you are still telling me that there is too much loss of cpu power???
  • [10:59:05] <josch|nsn> most netbooks not even have the screen resulotion for hd video
  • [10:59:33] <josch|nsn> koen: i'm impressed... i'm deeply impressed... i rly have no words for this awesomeness
  • [11:05:05] <koen> kulve: ffmpeg based player: http://git.mansr.com/?p=omapfbplay;a=tree
  • [11:06:31] <khasim> kulve: I found one version of images for getting u-boot booting from MMC for EVM
  • [11:08:07] <Crofton|work> gn
  • [11:09:15] <koen> hey Crofton|work
  • [11:09:27] <Crofton|work> er gm
  • [11:09:31] <Crofton|work> need coffee
  • [11:24:06] <Crofton> um coffee
  • [11:36:13] <koen> new rootfs: http://amethyst.openembedded.net/~koen/beagleboard/demo/
  • [11:36:28] <koen> that has the dmb patches for kernel and ffmpeg
  • [11:39:41] <Crofton> is the OE sound chip code in sync with sakoman's?
  • [11:40:38] <Crofton> I really shouldn't start to work before I finish a cup of coffee
  • [11:43:43] <koen> Crofton: afaik it is
  • [11:44:17] <Crofton> I need to run the gnuradio dialtone test again
  • [11:44:31] <Crofton> first, must get link working on this dv baord though
  • [11:45:18] <suihkulokki> mmm.. 720p on cortex alone - where do we need the dsp again? :P
  • [11:46:20] <Crofton> lots of real fun apps!
  • [11:46:25] <koen> suihkulokki: colour conversion for 1080i video :)
  • [11:47:00] <koen> suihkulokki: the cortex spends 25% of its time doing yuv420 -> yuv422 to get the pixel straight for the omapfb overlay
  • [11:49:02] <Crofton> koen, .dev is current with your build?
  • [11:49:09] <koen> Crofton: it should be
  • [11:49:16] * Crofton pulls
  • [11:49:59] <Crofton> hmmm, ringiogpp is taking longer to run ...
  • [11:50:07] * Crofton really needs to turn trace off
  • [11:50:24] <ldesnogu> koen: 25% ? have things changed in FFmpeg? the profiling you showed me said about 8% for yuv to yuv.
  • [11:51:30] <suihkulokki> koen: that could be interesting yes, if the overhead of managing the arm->dsp->dss traffic is low enough
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  • [11:53:01] <koen> ldesnogu: that profile was for 480
  • [11:53:12] <koen> ldesnogu: at LRL we profiled 720p
  • [11:53:32] <ldesnogu> and you still had 48 fps for that stream?
  • [11:53:35] <koen> suihkulokki: queing up a few frames might help
  • [11:53:58] <koen> ldesnogu: now, 20-28fps @500Mhz
  • [11:54:36] <ldesnogu> so 25% might not be enough to reach 30 fps...
  • [11:54:48] <ldesnogu> but very close !
  • [11:55:05] <koen> ldesnogu: mru runs the cortex at 600MHz
  • [11:55:07] <jkridner> good morning all
  • [11:55:10] <Beagle0> I am late to the party here, what driver is used to the display?
  • [11:55:11] <koen> hey jkridner
  • [11:55:31] <ldesnogu> jkridner: hello
  • [11:55:32] <koen> Beagle0: plain old fbdev or a yuv422 overlay fbdev
  • [11:55:50] <jkridner> koen: thanks. sorry about flickr not working. Thanks for adding Angstrom.
  • [11:56:00] <jkridner> hey ldesnogu
  • [11:56:14] <Beagle0> thx
  • [11:59:40] <Beagle0> Just to confim, H/W accel is TI IP?
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  • [12:01:56] <koen> RogerMonk: root@beagleboard:/lib/firmware#
  • [12:02:25] <koen> ehm
  • [12:02:27] <koen> RogerMonk: http://rafb.net/p/iqgjvF44.html
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  • [12:08:14] <koen> RogerMonk, jkridner: but when trying to access any dvb stuff: http://pastebin.com/m4b1335f7
  • [12:09:06] <jkridner> I'm not familiar with 'tzap'.
  • [12:09:21] <jkridner> ah, MythTV
  • [12:09:30] <koen> it 'zap's channels for dvb-t
  • [12:09:38] <koen> czap zaps for dvb-c, etc
  • [12:09:50] <koen> jkridner: close, dvb-utils :)
  • [12:09:53] <kulve> what is zapping?
  • [12:10:16] <koen> changing channels
  • [12:10:26] <kulve> ok
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  • [12:13:31] <koen> tzap docs: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Zap
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  • [12:14:10] <dannyBlue> Hi all
  • [12:14:16] <RogerMonk> Hi Koen
  • [12:15:03] <RogerMonk> Koen - wierd on the tzap - I've used that a lot before
  • [12:15:33] <RogerMonk> Which exact DVB stick are you using? - I'll order the same
  • [12:15:37] <Crofton> RogerMonk, I think I fixed the memory map
  • [12:15:44] <RogerMonk> NICE!
  • [12:15:47] <Crofton> but ringiogpp runs forever :)
  • [12:15:52] <Crofton> turning off trace
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  • [12:16:04] <RogerMonk> what about msgq sample?
  • [12:16:25] <Crofton> we do not have msq enabled for some reason
  • [12:16:29] <Crofton> there is mpcs
  • [12:16:31] <RogerMonk> what?
  • [12:16:32] <RogerMonk> why?
  • [12:16:47] <Crofton> heh, you assume we know what we are doing :)
  • [12:16:59] <RogerMonk> you are using the codec_engine/cetools/dsplink, right?
  • [12:17:07] <Crofton> when I get this going, we'll change that
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  • [12:17:12] <RogerMonk> ok
  • [12:17:19] <Crofton> I am working with dsplink only, not codec engine
  • [12:17:23] <RogerMonk> ah-ha ok
  • [12:17:57] <Crofton> hmmm, the mpcs smaple hangs after a bit
  • [12:18:00] <RogerMonk> mod the CURRENTCFG.mk to add all the modules, and rebuild the other samples, like MSGQ sample - etc - these are better ones to start with
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  • [12:18:10] <Crofton> ok
  • [12:19:49] <Crofton> set all the USE_ vars to 1?
  • [12:21:21] <koen> RogerMonk: "Elgato EyeTV for DTT" usb stick
  • [12:25:46] <koen> RogerMonk: I think it's a problem with the MUSB driver in the kernel
  • [12:30:48] <Crofton> ah lots more execs in the gpp RELEASE dir
  • [12:31:58] <koen> Crofton: don't forget to make notes and patches :)
  • [12:33:33] <Crofton> I'll commit in a bit
  • [12:33:41] <bobMini> Just heard about beagleboard. Watching the videos now. How do I interface with ethernet for my peripherals? thanks
  • [12:33:43] <Crofton> when I get everything packages
  • [12:33:52] <Crofton> bobMini, usb
  • [12:34:07] <bobMini> thanks
  • [12:34:19] <koen> RogerMonk: http://pastebin.com/m774dcab7
  • [12:34:30] <koen> RogerMonk: it was indeed a bug in the musb driver
  • [12:35:47] <Crofton> I'm installing the dsp execs (.out) to /usr//share/dsplink
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  • [12:37:32] * Crofton has visions of Gerald building boards in a toaster oven
  • [12:41:54] <Crofton|work> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jadon/2700267754/in/pool-beagleboard
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  • [12:43:44] <Crofton> the .lib files are statically linked dsp side libraries?
  • [12:43:54] <Crofton> or are they ARM side librarirues
  • [12:44:21] <oskude> hmm, i thought this would end like this... i use IMAP and my ISP said i can use beagle+myname@host.foo to register on lists to get it automaticly moved to folder beagle on the IMAP server... now i cant send any messages to beagle list (and the sorting doesnt work neither) but my problem is, how do i unsubscribe from beagle mailing list without email ?
  • [12:44:49] <Crofton> oskude, use the google groups interface?
  • [12:45:24] <oskude> Crofton, i cant see any unsibscribe button anywhere there, where should it be ?
  • [12:46:11] <Crofton> that I do not know :(
  • [12:46:20] <oskude> google doesn't like quitters, eh ? ;P
  • [12:46:27] <Crofton> yeah :)
  • [12:46:39] <oskude> they should have just used mailman...
  • [12:48:53] <bobMini> HW Ref Man 10.7 "USB to Ethernet", I was looking for the RJ-45 :)
  • [12:49:09] <Crofton> oops
  • [12:49:23] <Crofton> usb ethernet dongles work fine
  • [12:49:54] <bobMini> I'll go get my VISA card.
  • [12:50:32] <Crofton> bobMini, are you in the US?
  • [12:50:39] <oskude> does the "admin" of beagleboard mailinglist (google groups) have the ability to remove subscribers ? (google support seem non existent)
  • [12:50:43] <bobMini> Iowa
  • [12:50:47] <Crofton> ok
  • [12:50:55] <koen> oskude: go to your google groups profile
  • [12:51:03] <Crofton> I think they can export to Iowa
  • [12:51:06] <koen> oskude: there's a list management tool there
  • [12:51:09] <bobMini> LOL
  • [12:51:20] <Crofton> there was a screw up in the paperwork, so they can not ship internationally yet
  • [12:51:34] <oskude> koen, i dont have any google groups profile... or was it created without my knowledge when i joined beagle mailing list ?
  • [12:51:38] <Crofton> what do you do in Iowa?
  • [12:51:52] <bobMini> Build Radios in Cedar Rapids
  • [12:51:55] <Crofton> cool
  • [12:52:48] <koen> oskude: AIUI you need a google profile to be subscribe to google groups
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  • [12:53:54] <ldesnogu> what's that ronnie bot on the mailing list?
  • [12:54:11] <oskude> koen, well, i just gave my email address at http://beagleboard.org/discuss and now i just want to unsubscribe ALSO using a web formular, just like any other list i know
  • [12:54:13] <jkridner> oskude: yes, we can remove subscribers.
  • [12:54:25] <jkridner> you can also remove yourself.
  • [12:54:33] <oskude> jkridner, how ? where ?
  • [12:54:41] * Crofton wonders why anyone would want to leave ....
  • [12:54:56] <jkridner> http://groups.google.com/groups/mysubs?hl=en
  • [12:55:11] <oskude> Crofton, cause the webpage talked about opengl hardware (and afterwards i heard there are no linux drivers)
  • [12:55:17] <Crofton> ah
  • [12:55:30] <oskude> jkridner, i dont have any google acount
  • [12:55:36] <ldesnogu> jkridner: can you unsubscribe ronniereed@wtconnect.com?
  • [12:55:41] <Crofton> we need a section on the web page explaing what is "free" and what is "troublesome"
  • [12:55:42] <jkridner> when you registered, you would have made one.
  • [12:55:52] <jkridner> I've already blocked that ronniereed guy.
  • [12:56:01] <jkridner> he got 3 spam messages in first.
  • [12:56:02] <ldesnogu> cool :)
  • [12:56:11] <oskude> jkridner, i dont want to be sold to google, i just wanted to read beagleboard mailing list...
  • [12:56:25] <jkridner> reading doesn't require subscription.
  • [12:56:36] <jkridner> I guess you want to get copies?
  • [12:56:45] <jkridner> via e-mail, rather than browsing on the web?
  • [12:56:57] <oskude> jkridner, well, i wanted to ask some questions too... but
  • [12:57:06] <jkridner> you can use 'subscribe' at beagleboard.org and 'unsubscribe' as well.
  • [12:57:13] <oskude> i kinda screwed it (thanks to my ISP recommendations)
  • [12:57:25] <jkridner> if you send and aren't signed up, we will only screen for spam.
  • [12:57:43] <jkridner> could be some hours of lag if not signed up.
  • [12:57:57] <oskude> jkridner, this is my problem: i thought this would end like this... i use IMAP and my ISP said i can use beagle+myname@host.foo to register on lists to get it automaticly moved to folder beagle on the IMAP server... now i cant send any messages to beagle list (and the sorting doesnt work neither) but my problem is, how do i unsubscribe from beagle mailing list without email ?
  • [12:58:35] <oskude> jkridner, its just a matter of adding a unsubscribe button to a webformular (like mailman) ...
  • [12:58:54] <jkridner> k, just tell me the name and I will stop it from getting emails.
  • [12:59:11] <oskude> jkridner, but if youre so kind and remove beagle+andre@osku.de
  • [12:59:32] * cbrake_away is now known as cbrake
  • [13:00:00] <oskude> i hope you make i big announcment on the web if someday beagleboard gets open-source opengl drivers, as other than that, looks like an awesome board!
  • [13:01:11] <jkridner> this site is logged. sorry to encourage you to type out your e-mail address.
  • [13:02:17] <oskude> jkridner, ah, im not afraid any spam :) (and in the end, everyone gets it)
  • [13:02:44] <oskude> jkridner, im more worried that its google who has my email address ;)
  • [13:03:34] <oskude> and, im in germany, AFAIK everything is/will be logged, so...
  • [13:03:53] <Crofton> hehe
  • [13:04:18] <Crofton> zecke, showed me the cameras they use to record everyone that reads the German constitution :)
  • [13:04:34] <Crofton> the Apple video on the list is hysterical :)
  • [13:05:03] <jkridner> k, I'll remove it completely then, rather than just turning off e-mail?
  • [13:05:39] <oskude> jkridner, i doubt you can remove anything _completely_ at google ;) (sorry, i'm so depressed)
  • [13:05:53] <oskude> jkridner, and yes, just remove
  • [13:07:11] <jkridner> true. and done.
  • [13:07:26] <oskude> btw. it seems my only way to get a cheap touchscreen table with open source opengl drivers is to modify an eeepc, nice that the 701 is dropping on price :)
  • [13:07:34] <oskude> *tablet
  • [13:07:55] <oskude> jkridner, thanks, very kind!
  • [13:13:27] <Crofton> jkridner, did you catch my remark about creating a page on software status
  • [13:13:43] <Crofton> people will starting asking about things like codec engine/dsplink etc
  • [13:14:13] <Crofton> it would be nice to have one place that covers these sorts of issues
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  • [13:16:37] <khasim> Crofton: Do you think a FAQ at code.google is better?
  • [13:16:52] <Crofton> just somewhere it is easy to find :)
  • [13:17:01] <khasim> :)
  • [13:17:07] <Crofton> the open gl question will come up
  • [13:17:10] <khasim> Crofton: is code.google easy to fine
  • [13:17:13] <koen> Crofton: remember that omap3 link stuff is not public yet
  • [13:17:23] <Crofton> and I know there are things that need to happen for some other key pieces of sw
  • [13:17:30] <Crofton> I know :)
  • [13:17:55] <Crofton> I just think we should have a place to send people to get good answers
  • [13:18:15] <Crofton> koen, also remember I am using dsplink 1.50 on a davinci board for testing
  • [13:19:08] <koen> right :)
  • [13:19:14] <koen> that doesn;t help the poor beagle users
  • [13:20:02] <jkridner> Crofton: I did not. Do you have specific plans?
  • [13:20:05] <Crofton> no, but at least I'll know how it works when we have a beagle capable link
  • [13:20:17] <Crofton> I have no plans
  • [13:20:49] <Crofton> jkridner, mainly I am refering to software that is not available to the general public
  • [13:21:09] <jkridner> ah, yes, things like 3D and Codec Engine.
  • [13:21:18] <jkridner> I've been working internally to get some formal statements.
  • [13:21:20] <Crofton> it would make the non-ti'ers life easier if we can direct questions about it to one central lcoation
  • [13:21:38] <jkridner> it would be good to reflect some general status and expected timelines on elinux.org/beagleboard.
  • [13:21:50] <Crofton> exactly
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  • [13:23:03] <jkridner> In general, I'll push for http://tiexpressdsp.com includes some roadmap info.
  • [13:23:16] <jkridner> s/includes/to include/
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  • [13:26:21] <Crofton> dsplink problem : http://rafb.net/p/86WBE582.html
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  • [13:30:44] <ldesnogu> Crofton: funny how things are duplicated in your crash log
  • [13:32:04] <Crofton> low level debug maybe
  • [13:32:08] <RogerMonk> Crofton - what did you execute to result in the crash - just a module install?
  • [13:32:15] <khasim> I just pulled latest OMAP GIT and booting on beagle, it atleast didnt hang on UART for 17 min now
  • [13:32:27] <Crofton> I ran the messagegpp program
  • [13:32:32] <Crofton> in another window
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  • [13:34:51] <Crofton> ringio didn't crash
  • [13:35:00] <Crofton> but seems to run forever ..
  • [13:35:43] <Crofton> control c ing creates more kernel messages
  • [13:36:10] <Crofton> we need to try the stock build on the ev,
  • [13:36:13] <RogerMonk> don't try ctrl-c'ing...
  • [13:36:17] <Crofton> er davinci evm
  • [13:36:56] <RogerMonk> yep, need to look at EVM first I think
  • [13:37:06] * Crofton does not have an evm
  • [13:37:10] <RogerMonk> there's too many variables here otherwise, kernel, memory map, etc
  • [13:37:20] <Crofton> right
  • [13:37:27] <Crofton> and my cluelessness factor :)
  • [13:37:43] <Crofton> mind you, the idiot user is a fine bug finding tool
  • [13:39:34] <Crofton> I'm going to push what I have and build some evm images and post the evm images to amethyst
  • [13:39:41] <Crofton> and
  • [13:39:44] <Crofton> ride my bike
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  • [13:42:28] <ldesnogu> Crofton: stupid question, did you reserve memory for dsplink at boot time? (my understanding is that one has to reserve memory for dsplink, right?)
  • [13:43:16] <Crofton> mem=96m
  • [13:43:20] <Crofton> which should be ok
  • [13:43:27] <Crofton> I'll double check
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  • [13:48:10] <khasim> ok, it hangs
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  • [13:57:40] <Beagle2> do i need to buy code composer in order to program the TI DSP?
  • [13:59:21] <khasim> Beagle2: You dont have to
  • [13:59:58] <Crofton> there are linux dsp compilers, I am not certain what the status of dsp/bios is though
  • [14:00:11] <khasim> Beagle2: You can use Link
  • [14:00:38] <khasim> DSP/BIOS libraries are open, it should be sufficient for compiling DSP code base
  • [14:02:32] <BThompson> just a comment on the beagle board order page, they show a db9 to db9 serial cable which will not connect to the board, I dont see the proper IDC to DB9 cable listed on their order page, it looks like they have a USB to serial adapter instead...
  • [14:03:03] <khasim> sorry DSP/BIOS libraries for Davinci are open
  • [14:03:56] <Crofton> I think there are plans to sort all this out
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  • [14:06:28] <DJWillis> Making the whole DSP area a lot clearer would be a very very good thing
  • [14:06:55] <khasim> DJWillis: I started working on it, but then got pulled into other stuff
  • [14:07:48] <khasim> DJWillis: there were very good suggestions made by Simon, Kulve and other folks on this IRC
  • [14:08:20] <khasim> I have populated all our concerns, need to work on fixing these issues
  • [14:08:24] <DJWillis> khasim: don't well all get pulled around :). Yep, I recall reading most of them.
  • [14:08:40] <DJWillis> It's good to know TI are looking seriously into it.
  • [14:10:15] <khasim> There is now CCS + simulator for C6000 available for 120 day evaluation version
  • [14:10:43] <DJWillis> I did not know that, that's a step.
  • [14:11:52] <khasim> I am actually looking at creating simple examples on getting code onto DSP using Link and then executing the same on DSP. We should also show how easy it is to communicate between ARM and DSP.
  • [14:12:31] <khasim> We should not limit DSP to multimedia applications, but use it more like a processor to increase the speed.
  • [14:13:00] <khasim> Today I can say my ARM runs at 500 or 600 Mhz it could as well be 600 + 400 = 1Ghz
  • [14:13:32] <DJWillis> khasim: I really want to put some cool general purpose code onto the DSP, the multimedia stuff does not interest me.
  • [14:13:58] <khasim> Being a Linux developer I think the lack of DSP programming stuff in Linux is the major issue
  • [14:14:24] <DJWillis> yep, I can concur with that.
  • [14:14:28] <khasim> It should use standard Linux driver / application calls to talk to DSP and it should be very simple
  • [14:15:19] <DJWillis> khasim: off topic, did you get my /msg a few days ago about the Pandora LCD and a question I had?
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  • [14:16:24] <DJWillis> khasim: yep, using a standard Linux driver and just giving it a load to work from is ideal. I have seen that done before on other SoC's (2 ARM's I will admit) that worked very well and was nice and clean and easy to understand.
  • [14:16:52] <khasim> DJWillis: Nope, may be I missed it. I have replied to mails from Michael for configuring DVI timing parameters
  • [14:17:22] <Crofton> khasim, I believe there will be a number of people interested in non-multimedia DSP applications
  • [14:17:39] <khasim> Crofton: I agree, I am one of them :)
  • [14:17:42] <DJWillis> khasim: would you mind if I dropped you a mail? I have your address.
  • [14:17:57] <Crofton> although "CODEC_ENGINE" may provide an interesting framework for non-multimedia applications
  • [14:18:02] <khasim> DJWillis: Please go ahead
  • [14:18:43] <DJWillis> Crofton: We have them champing at the bit so to speak. People keep asking me about the DSP all the time. I just say, cool stuff is being done in that area ;-)
  • [14:18:59] <Crofton> heh
  • [14:19:14] <Crofton> yeah, there are lots of cool SDR things that can be done
  • [14:19:21] <Crofton> ok, I need to go for a quick ride
  • [14:19:23] <Crofton> bbiab
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  • [14:22:58] <zoobab> SDR = radio?
  • [14:24:31] <jkridner> software defined radio
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  • [14:27:18] <sakoman_> DJWillis: if you are still interested in a place for your u-boot sources, I'd be happy to put them in my git. We've got beagle, evm and overo in there now.
  • [14:27:48] <sakoman_> I've started a git for xload also, also currently with beagle, evm, and overo
  • [14:28:32] <sakoman_> khasim: has anyone ever gotten the DVI output on EVM working?
  • [14:28:58] <khasim> sakoman_: I had.
  • [14:30:18] <khasim> sakoman_: the difference between beagle is, we need to turn on some registers in TWL4030 to get the DVI enabled and LCD disabled
  • [14:30:28] <sakoman_> khasim: did it require any hw mods? looking at the schematic it seems that R18 is the wrong value (is 10K should be 510)
  • [14:30:57] <sakoman_> khasim: is that code available somewhere?
  • [14:31:19] <DJWillis> sakoman_: I have a few things on at the moment but that would be great, I need to fix them up against your GIT and remove some dupe 1st or it will never get past Dirk ;-). - Finally got a public GIT for our kernel sorted now.
  • [14:31:54] <sakoman_> khasim: I will look on my board and make sure that R18 is the right value
  • [14:32:02] <khasim> sakoman_: it should be 10K, if it is 510 then it wont work
  • [14:32:35] <DJWillis> sakoman_: we have had DVI going on one of our EVMs and that needed the hardware mod you describe.
  • [14:33:12] <sakoman_> DJWillis: agreed, according to the part spec, 10K is just wrong
  • [14:33:13] <DJWillis> No, sorry, where is my notes, that was not the mod needed.
  • [14:33:38] <jkridner> khasim: the DVSDK is released, but the link was hard to find on http://www.ti.com/omapsoftwareupdates
  • [14:33:44] <sakoman_> The spec for the part says 510 and that is what beagle uses too
  • [14:33:47] <khasim> sakoman_: sorry just confirmed it should be 510
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  • [14:34:10] <DJWillis> sakoman_: sorry again, that was exactly it .
  • [14:35:49] <sakoman_> sigh, R18 is unmarked :-(
  • [14:36:23] <sakoman_> ohm meter says 10K though
  • [14:36:44] <sakoman_> khasim: this should go on an evm errata somewhere
  • [14:37:45] <sakoman_> Time to order 510 ohm resistors from digikey
  • [14:37:48] <DJWillis> sakoman_: if khasim is busy I have the source mods to the .22 TI kernel about somewhere I can forward over.
  • [14:38:06] <sakoman_> DJwillis: I'd appreciate that!
  • [14:38:42] <zoobab> jkridner: you mean using the BeagleBoard with a USRP?
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  • [14:40:45] <khasim> sakoman_: I have already sent a mail to your gmail ID to show the steps that needs to be done to enabled DVI for EVM
  • [14:40:58] <jkridner> zoobab: I just saw "SDR = radio?" and defined SDR.
  • [14:41:04] <sakoman_> khasim: thanks!
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  • [14:41:57] <jkridner> sakoman_: sorry, this is catching a lot of people. It is in the SDK release notes, I believe.
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  • [14:48:13] <sakoman_> jkridner: just checked the 0.9.8 SDK release notes and don't see a mention of that. is there a more recent SDK?
  • [14:48:37] <koen> didn't 1.0.0 come out last week?
  • [14:49:11] <sakoman_> koen: Guess I'll have to try to remember my TI login info and check
  • [14:50:22] <DJWillis> 1.0.0 is out
  • [14:51:32] <jkridner> yes, but this adds the Codec Engine, Link, and codecs.
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  • [14:57:37] <ldesnogu> jkridner: I have heard about Mistral boards with 256 MB, is that a rumour?
  • [14:58:12] <jkridner> not rumor, but not in the sales channel.
  • [14:58:34] * koen would be interest in a 256MB ram/256MB and PoP
  • [14:58:35] <jkridner> need something run on one? :)
  • [14:58:42] <ldesnogu> it's also unclear what OMAP35 is provided... is that still 3503?
  • [14:58:48] <sakoman_> jkridner: heh: Not Found
  • [14:58:48] <sakoman_> The requested URL /staging/dvsdk/oslinux_dvsdk/v3_00_3530/exports/dvsdk_setuplinux_3_00_00_13.bin was not found on this server.
  • [14:59:03] <ldesnogu> jkridner: I hate you :P
  • [14:59:04] <jkridner> All of the Mistral EVMs are being built with OMAP3530.
  • [14:59:37] <ldesnogu> ok, thanks :)
  • [15:00:38] <jkridner> sakoman_: strange. I just downloaded.
  • [15:00:56] <Crofton> we need an infobot :)
  • [15:01:08] <jkridner> can you try again?
  • [15:01:24] * koen needs a powered dvb-t antenna
  • [15:01:40] <jkridner> Crofton: the website is open source and there is a bot running on the web server, so we could use it to automatically pull info from the IRC and place it on the web.
  • [15:02:30] <Crofton> I need to set one up for another channel, I may try aiming it here
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  • [15:02:43] <Crofton> of course, I have needed to do this for months :)
  • [15:02:53] <jkridner> feel free to submit git patches for the web server.
  • [15:02:55] <sakoman_> jkridner: OK, tried again. All of the DVSDK links are broken for me
  • [15:03:20] <jkridner> very odd. I'll report this. maybe these can only be reached internally.
  • [15:03:33] <jkridner> ugh... just looked at the URLs.
  • [15:03:35] <sakoman_> jkridner: the base SDK 1.0.0 links are working
  • [15:03:38] <jkridner> indeed, they are internal!
  • [15:03:39] <jkridner> :(
  • [15:03:52] <jkridner> :x
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  • [15:19:20] <khasim> After I comment out the lines in pm34xx.c as mentioned by Anand Gadiyar and H??gander Jouni, it doesnt hang
  • [15:19:46] <khasim> Its active since 1:30 hrs
  • [15:19:58] <khasim> I am yet to find root cause, just FYI
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  • [16:00:23] <sakoman_> khasim: others who have tried that "fix" report mixed success. some claim it solves the issue, others say it has no effect!
  • [16:00:56] <jkridner> for those with no affect, have they tried pre-built binaries?
  • [16:01:51] <sakoman_> jkridner: I have no idea
  • [16:02:54] <sakoman_> koen and paul are two who say the patch did not work for them. perhaps they can chime in
  • [16:05:01] <sakoman_> still no time for me to look at this. too much overo work to do (and fortunately no serial hangs to deal with!)
  • [16:05:18] <koen> it still locks up with the patch, but later
  • [16:06:06] <sakoman_> jkridner: I'm having trouble downloading the 1.0.0 sdk :-(
  • [16:06:07] <koen> for anyone interested in debugging mythtv on beagle: http://amethyst.openembedded.net/~koen/beagleboard/demo/Angstrom-Beagleboard-mythtv-image-glibc-ipk-2008.1-test-20080730-beagleboard.rootfs.tar.bz2
  • [16:06:29] <sakoman_> three tries and it always hangs with a partial download
  • [16:06:34] <sakoman_> will try another machine
  • [16:07:03] <koen> sakoman_: wget -c ?
  • [16:07:05] <sakoman_> koen: any special hw required?
  • [16:07:27] <koen> sakoman_: no, but a backend with some v4l hw would be nice :)
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  • [17:27:35] <ahu> anybody know why export of the beagle board is prohibited :-(
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  • [17:29:03] <Crofton> ahu, paperwork needs to be completed
  • [17:29:08] <Crofton> TI is working on it
  • [17:29:20] <ahu> ah - EAR stuff?
  • [17:29:25] <Crofton> most likely
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  • [17:54:07] <Crofton|work> ahu, not often you run into people who know the export words :)
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  • [17:56:05] <ahu> Crofton|work: you hit them rather quickly if you deal with any interesting US stuff
  • [17:56:17] <Crofton|work> heh
  • [17:56:17] <ahu> PowerDNS, my open source product, was deemed by some to be export controlled
  • [17:56:22] <ahu> Novell wouldn't ship it
  • [17:56:35] <ahu> so I delved into the idiocy that is the export controls world
  • [17:56:41] <Crofton|work> ah
  • [17:56:51] <Crofton|work> vague laws, with criminal penalties
  • [17:57:01] <ahu> with oddly broad exemptions
  • [17:57:11] <ahu> so you can sell military grade encryption in an ipod
  • [17:57:20] <ahu> since it is a consumer product for sale to the general audience
  • [17:57:27] <ahu> but take away the music and you can't etc :-)
  • [17:57:50] <Crofton> yeah
  • [17:57:57] <Crofton> quite a maze
  • [17:58:14] <Crofton> all depends on having good lobbyists
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  • [17:59:35] * ds2 curses the IVA2 blcok
  • [18:04:41] * sakoman_ curses the 27 different version of x-load floating around
  • [18:04:51] <ds2> hahah
  • [18:05:08] <ds2> I just use whatever works and worry about it only when it gets corrupted ;)
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  • [18:05:30] <sakoman_> trying to merge them all into one git
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  • [18:06:00] <ds2> are you including the 2420 version used on the Nokias?
  • [18:08:04] <sakoman_> ds2: is it one of these? http://www.sakoman.net/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=x-load-omap3.git;a=tree;f=board;h=e6ed4a604f6bf087f046eb5b005f590cb796a370;hb=refs/heads/overo
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  • [18:08:33] <ds2> why won't the clocks go inactive #@$!@#$!#$%$!@#$
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  • [18:08:49] <sakoman_> ds2: I'm mainly just trying to get beagle, evm, and overo working
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  • [18:09:14] <ds2> sakoman: the 2420H4 might be close
  • [18:09:29] <ds2> the nice thing about the Nokias is they are a much cheaper 2420 platform then the H4
  • [18:11:22] <sakoman_> ds2: my guess is that a few defines would need to be updated
  • [18:11:59] <ds2> sakoman: It looked that way. is there a write up on how to build from your repo?
  • [18:12:06] <sakoman_> TI includes the board files for other machines with the evm and beagle tarballs, but it is not likely they will actually build
  • [18:12:23] <ds2> some docs say I need a full U-boot source that this overlays
  • [18:12:31] <ds2> this == the downloaded tarballs
  • [18:12:38] <sakoman_> ds2: not true with my git
  • [18:14:16] <sakoman_> ds2: but you won't like my instructions: http://www.sakoman.net/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=org.openembedded.dev-omap3.git;a=tree;f=packages/x-load;h=b63a0dcdb9f8828067e2af203dee0af009b8a6d7;hb=2ef2a08e576ecce653469f737b92c823f635e612
  • [18:14:27] <sakoman_> ds2: if I recall you hate OE ;-)
  • [18:14:32] <Crofton> :)
  • [18:14:45] <ds2> is there a good write up on clocking on the OMAP3s?
  • [18:15:15] <ds2> sakoman: "arrrg" :)
  • [18:16:00] <sakoman_> ds2: actually the instructions for building xload from TI will likely work if you ignore the part about needing u-boot at the same top level
  • [18:16:22] <ds2> it shouldn't be that hard to figure out
  • [18:16:33] <ds2> my problem was finding a safe target to try out the binaries ;)
  • [18:16:52] <ds2> with the beagle's easy MMC override, that seems to be a good candidate
  • [18:16:53] <sakoman_> ds2: my recipe basically just does:
  • [18:16:58] <sakoman_> make distclean
  • [18:17:06] <sakoman_> make machine_name
  • [18:17:09] <sakoman_> make
  • [18:17:28] <ds2> sakoman_: what compiler does it want? will the cross-tools compiler work?
  • [18:17:42] <ds2> or do I need a CS toolchain?
  • [18:18:32] <sakoman_> ds2: I've been using gcc 4.3.1
  • [18:19:04] <sakoman_> let me know if you find any breakage on the 2420 and I'll push fixes
  • [18:19:14] <sakoman_> most likely will be out of date defines
  • [18:19:36] <ds2> 'k
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  • [18:33:34] <Beagle0> ?
  • [18:34:00] <mru> damn, beagle crashed while I was at work
  • [18:34:40] <Beagle0> just tried to buy a beaglboard from digikey but they won't export outside the USA
  • [18:35:14] <mru> Beagle0: jkridner insists they're working to resolve that
  • [18:35:14] <Beagle0> anyone know how long this is likely to be a problem? i'm in the UK
  • [18:35:34] <mru> they've been saying this week
  • [18:35:37] <jkridner> I do. I really do insist that they are.
  • [18:35:56] <Crofton> send $500 to my paypal account and I'll order the board for you :)
  • [18:35:57] <Beagle0> do you need govt approval or something in case terrorists use them?
  • [18:36:15] <Beagle0> Crofton: yeah, but it still has to clear customs, right?
  • [18:36:21] <jkridner> I got word that Digi-Key is happy with the paperwork and is now proceeding to fan-out the process, whatever that is.
  • [18:36:25] <mru> it's so powerful it falls under supercomputer regulations ;-)
  • [18:36:52] <Crofton> I just label it as computer parts :)
  • [18:36:54] <jkridner> I'm thinking that means that we'll be good for international orders by tomorrow morning, but it is difficult for me to interpret.
  • [18:37:12] <Beagle0> OK I hope so... i was really excited when I discoverd the borard today, and then disappointed to discover I can't have one.
  • [18:37:35] <mru> I'm in the uk, and I have one...
  • [18:37:54] <Beagle0> mru so were'd you get it?
  • [18:37:59] <Crofton> It's all about who is afraid of fines and prison .....
  • [18:38:08] <Beagle0> . o O ( i really can't spell today! )
  • [18:38:10] <mru> I got an early one from TI
  • [18:38:11] <jkridner> mru cheated. :)
  • [18:38:47] <ds2> so beagle list traffic will go up another 10 fold? ;)
  • [18:38:47] <Beagle0> how about other distributors? Sparkfun would be interested i'm sure.
  • [18:38:56] <jkridner> I call Digi-Key about once an hour. I have a scheduled call with them at 3PM and have already had them on the phone a couple of times today.
  • [18:39:03] <Beagle0> wow
  • [18:39:14] <jkridner> They are really trying hard.
  • [18:39:26] <Beagle0> that's great to hear.
  • [18:39:32] <ahu> it might take months
  • [18:39:33] <jkridner> again, the screw-up was mine, because I wasn't aware of all the paper-work that was required.
  • [18:39:35] <ds2> will this show up eventually in the digikey printed catalog?
  • [18:39:42] <jkridner> yes.
  • [18:39:42] <Crofton|work> digikey rocks, at least domestically
  • [18:39:47] <ahu> jkridner: well - there is a grey area
  • [18:39:51] <jkridner> check out digikey.com now. :)
  • [18:39:56] <ahu> where people argue about the necessity
  • [18:40:05] <ds2> cool, planning to scan it and put it on the web site? =)
  • [18:40:29] <ds2> Nice
  • [18:41:10] <Beagle0> while i'm here... anyone happen to know whether there's full Java+AWT support on the linux so i can run apps written in Processing?
  • [18:41:45] <Crofton|work> ask on the ml
  • [18:41:54] <mru> just stick to assembler, it's much more fun
  • [18:41:57] <Crofton|work> the java guru is on there, I do not see him here
  • [18:42:08] <ds2> java should work
  • [18:42:16] <ds2> donno about the AWT classes
  • [18:42:19] <dirk2> Beagle0: http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/102f627253919783#
  • [18:42:44] <ds2> at least the Sun VM should work
  • [18:42:50] <mru> does java work anywhere?
  • [18:42:54] <Beagle0> yeah the VM isn't enough
  • [18:43:01] <Beagle0> unfortunately
  • [18:43:19] <ds2> what flavor of java do you need?
  • [18:43:21] <Beagle0> I can run a JVM on my little nokia N800, but no AWT, only SWT... therefore, no Processing.
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  • [18:43:31] <Crofton|work> French roast
  • [18:43:33] <Beagle0> I need AWT support.
  • [18:43:46] <mru> awt is last century stuff
  • [18:43:56] <Beagle0> so is assembler :P
  • [18:43:56] <ds2> You need ME or SE?
  • [18:44:03] <mru> java gui horrors get replaced every 18 months
  • [18:44:03] <Beagle0> J2SE
  • [18:44:17] <ds2> ah, that I haven't tried. just tried a basic console app with an ME VM
  • [18:44:18] <suihkulokki> Beagle0: openjdk is now available for debian/armel, that should have *full* J2SE
  • [18:44:27] <mru> Beagle0: ok, you write a video player in java, while I write one in assembler
  • [18:44:33] <mru> let's see which one is faster
  • [18:44:41] <Beagle0> not interested in fastger
  • [18:44:48] <Beagle0> interested in possible
  • [18:44:50] <Beagle0> ;-)
  • [18:44:53] <ds2> mru: the java one cuz they'll probally be calling into a hardware accelerator class ;)
  • [18:45:02] <mru> that's cheating
  • [18:45:06] <mru> it has to be pure java
  • [18:45:09] <ds2> isn't java one big cheat? ;)
  • [18:45:22] <mru> it's one big PITA
  • [18:46:02] <ds2> isn't the OMAP2s a better choice for java anyways?
  • [18:46:22] <Beagle0> ah, I see Robert Schuster is the man to talk to... excellent.
  • [18:47:49] <Beagle0> thanks for your help guys - looking forward to getting hold of these, erm, puppies.
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  • [18:48:15] <dirk2> jkridner: At beagleboard.org, in section Top Resources at main page: What's about replacing "Diagnostic Software | Issue Tracker" with a top link to http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/ instead of linking to sub pages?
  • [18:48:46] <jkridner> which one? both?
  • [18:49:16] <jkridner> Diagnostic Software already points to the main page.
  • [18:49:25] <jkridner> only Issue Tracker goes to the sub-page.
  • [18:49:28] <dirk2> jkridner: Ah, yes, missed this
  • [18:49:48] <jkridner> I like the idea that people can get to the issues very quickly.
  • [18:50:25] <dirk2> jkridner: Maybe rename the "Diagostic software"?
  • [18:50:34] <jkridner> to?
  • [18:50:37] <ds2> does the beagle list accept mail from addresses not subscribed?
  • [18:50:41] <dirk2> Hmm ;)
  • [18:50:44] <jkridner> Reference software?
  • [18:51:03] <jkridner> ds2: they should all go for moderation if not subscribed.
  • [18:51:13] <ds2> ah
  • [18:51:37] <ds2> guess I need to find a better way to deal with the traffic then
  • [18:51:50] <jkridner> You can select daily digests.
  • [18:52:01] <ds2> I can?
  • [18:52:12] <dirk2> jkridner: There is more than just software, the issue with this name is that everybody will find the eLinux wiki, but no direct link to google wiki
  • [18:52:23] <jkridner> go to http://groups.google.com/groups/mysubs?hl=en
  • [18:52:59] <jkridner> so, what is the Google Wiki?
  • [18:53:10] <jkridner> I figure it is the project for the board and test software.
  • [18:53:22] <jkridner> the "reference kernel", essentially.
  • [18:53:53] <jkridner> too many people going to eLinux and not finding the Google wiki?
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  • [18:54:06] <ds2> I donno my password and it doesn't find me
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  • [18:54:34] <dirk2> No, I just want that both wikis are at the same level so that people are directly link to both wikis
  • [18:54:51] <ds2> bah... i'll look at later after the IVA2 block goes to sleep
  • [18:55:12] <jkridner> ds2: want me to change you to daily digests?
  • [18:55:18] <dirk2> Do you have space for an additional link line under top resources?
  • [18:55:21] <dirk2> E.g.:
  • [18:55:25] <jkridner> dirk2: sure.
  • [18:55:37] <dirk2> -> eLinux Wiki for the Beagle Board
  • [18:55:44] <dirk2> -> Google wiki
  • [18:56:05] <dirk2> -> reference Software | Issue Tracker
  • [18:56:05] <jkridner> I think I need to be a bit more specific regarding the Google Wiki.
  • [18:56:28] <jkridner> I don't think it is meant to encompass the entire project.
  • [18:56:39] <jkridner> just the reference software and board issues.
  • [18:56:46] <ds2> jkridner: not yet, want to see if there are other options
  • [18:57:16] <dirk2> And then link "Diagnostic Software " to http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleSourceCode
  • [18:58:09] <jkridner> dirk2: when should a user go to the eLinux wiki vs. the Google wiki?
  • [18:58:15] <dirk2> jkridner: While this is okay, it should be mentioned somewhere ;)
  • [18:58:50] <dirk2> jkridner: Don't know, give the user both links and let him decide which contains the info he searches
  • [19:00:49] <dirk2> limiting a wiki to something will become difficult as everybody can edit the pages and add what she/he wants
  • [19:02:08] <jkridner> I updated http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/
  • [19:02:58] <jkridner> Google Wiki is more restricted. 3 TI people, you, and Crofton have access.
  • [19:03:08] <jkridner> I'd open it up to others if they had contributions.
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  • [19:05:11] <dirk2> jkridner: Okay, thanks
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  • [19:06:12] <jkridner> dirk2: not pretty, but I also updated beagleboard.org.
  • [19:08:46] <jkridner> sakoman_: links should be fixed now.
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  • [19:09:58] <jkridner> any CSS wizards to fix that outline?
  • [19:10:13] <jkridner> dirk2: does beagleboard.org match your desires now?
  • [19:10:45] <ds2> new chip on the board that grants every desires? ;)
  • [19:11:10] <koen> jkridner: the flickr picture block is really tiny compared to the youtube one
  • [19:11:30] <jkridner> yeah, never had time to fix that.
  • [19:11:44] <jkridner> I started plug in one using dojo, but it was giving me errors.
  • [19:12:01] <jkridner> wish they just had a nice JSON feed like del.icio.us.
  • [19:12:10] <jkridner> instead you need an API key.
  • [19:18:34] <dirk2> jkridner: Yes :) But seems that the "Diagnostic Software" link is dead as it needs and additional /wiki/ in path
  • [19:19:10] <jkridner> link fixed.
  • [19:19:17] <jkridner> working on style sheet.
  • [19:24:00] <jkridner> k, that is as good as it is going to get today. :)
  • [19:30:22] <bjdooks_> GAAH
  • [19:30:31] <bjdooks_> just spilt a box of components everywhere
  • [19:31:07] <jkridner> made a similar change on http://beagleboard.org/resources/
  • [19:31:30] <jkridner> I guess with 1000s of visitors, it is nice to get the page right. :)
  • [19:42:01] <dirk2> BeagleBoard eLinux wiki page is at rank 3 with 13,883 views
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  • [19:48:38] <gadiyar> koen: ping
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  • [19:51:45] <sakoman_> jkridner: the xload sources for beagle on code.google.com are of a different vintage than the evm, with the evm being somewhat cleaner and more complete
  • [19:52:05] <sakoman_> has anyone done the work to "modernize" the beagle xload?
  • [19:52:38] <jkridner> no. it has been left stagnant.
  • [19:52:55] <sakoman_> OK, I'll clean it up
  • [19:52:57] <jkridner> only function.
  • [19:55:18] <dirk2> gadiyar: Serial hang news?
  • [19:55:53] <mru> serial hangs are nothing... I have total cpu deadlock :-(
  • [19:57:44] <gadiyar> dirk, mru: I'd like some more info on how long it takes.
  • [19:57:47] <gadiyar> before the hang
  • [19:58:04] <mru> I'm not seeing the serial hang
  • [19:58:06] <gadiyar> I've got some free time coming up and I could probably dig deeper and find the root cause
  • [19:59:02] <gadiyar> What I'd like to know is with Jouni's fix or with his patch reverted, how long it takes before the hang?
  • [20:01:17] <gadiyar> It could be because of the UART3 being in a different power domain, but then we should have been seeing it on the other boards as well. <totally perplexed>
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  • [20:34:34] <sakoman_> jkridner: are there any ES1.0 processors on beagle boards?
  • [20:34:47] <jkridner> no.
  • [20:34:52] <Crofton> koen, still awake?
  • [20:35:00] <sakoman_> didn't think so. thanks
  • [20:37:28] <Crofton> bother latest OE is not funding any of my usb devices :(
  • [20:37:29] <koen> Crofton: yes
  • [20:37:51] <koen> Crofton: on beagle? try rebooting, usb works 50% of the time for me
  • [20:38:05] <Crofton> I've tried rebooting
  • [20:38:49] <Crofton> do you have the u-boot with audio tone?
  • [20:40:47] <Crofton> ah, booting, then connecting hub worked .....
  • [20:42:49] <koen> no, I use the uboot from OE
  • [20:43:35] <koen> djeez
  • [20:43:43] <koen> why can't people learn to bottom post?
  • [20:44:07] <mru> yes, manners are nowhere to be seen on the beagle list
  • [20:44:50] <Crofton> crap, an attemot at fondling the sound hw leads to kernel puke
  • [20:45:06] <Crofton> what is different between OE kernel and sakoman's?
  • [20:45:10] <koen> Crofton: that's my experience as well
  • [20:45:11] <Crofton> that is the question
  • [20:45:33] <koen> I have my usb audio attached again
  • [20:45:44] <Crofton> hmm
  • [20:45:45] <koen> mru: you dmb patches help a lot
  • [20:46:00] <koen> s/you/your/
  • [20:46:08] <mru> can you watch tv now?
  • [20:46:38] <koen> no, but I suspect that's a different problem
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  • [20:48:25] * koen needs to rebuild stuff with dvb and v4l(2) support
  • [20:48:46] <Crofton|work> any trick to getting stuff to use usb audio over soc?
  • [20:49:21] <mru> koen: can you play recordings from another mythtv backend?
  • [20:50:01] <koen> mru: it renders previews, but trying to start the actual recording returns to the screen
  • [20:50:10] <koen> that could be a myth problem with networking
  • [20:50:23] <koen> but myth hangs when trying to watch live tv (over network)
  • [20:50:48] <dannyBlue> since there are some TI people around here do you gusy have any timeline for the release of the SGX drivers? Is Q4 2008 optimistic?
  • [20:50:52] <koen> both work on my laptop (osx myth client), so 'll have to digg deeper
  • [20:51:13] <koen> dannyBlue: sgx stuff is done by imgtec, not TI AIUI
  • [20:51:53] <dannyBlue> oh. But i contacted the imtec guys and they told me that the driver depends on vendor.
  • [20:51:54] <mru> dannyBlue: there drivers are currently beta, and only available under nda
  • [20:52:04] <mru> what open driver?
  • [20:52:54] <mru> where did I read open?
  • [20:53:46] <koen> 'open'
  • [20:53:50] <mru> ;-)
  • [20:54:01] <koen> last I heard the kernel modules were going to be gpl compatible
  • [20:54:15] <mru> probably in the nvidia sense
  • [20:54:25] <mru> which is better than nothing, of course
  • [20:54:28] <dannyBlue> mru: Is there any timeline for the availability to the public? Just want to plan ahead my project, i can run all this in emulator, in principle porting to BB or OpenPandora should not be problematic... DJWillis told me on the op forums that there is an nda driver however he also does not have a date. Should i direct my question to the imagetc guys?
  • [20:54:29] <koen> yeah
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  • [20:54:50] <jkridner> dannyBlue: 4Q is realistic.
  • [20:54:56] <koen> the driver should be plain gles 2.0
  • [20:55:00] <jkridner> I've been telling people around the end of the year.
  • [20:55:08] <koen> the cortex is regular armv7a
  • [20:55:18] <koen> and userspace is pretty much standard linux
  • [20:55:21] <jkridner> NDA developers can see the drivers today in Beta.
  • [20:55:29] <koen> so 'porting' is a big word
  • [20:55:57] <dannyBlue> That is perfect timming ;) Ii don't expect to have anything ready till the end of the year anyway.
  • [20:56:15] <jkridner> I've seen a few img tech lurkers, but I've never had a dialog.
  • [20:56:32] <dannyBlue> yeah porting is not the best word, just solve the kinks and see what performance enhancments are duable if necessary
  • [20:56:34] <mru> what bothers me is that the hardware can do much more than just opengl
  • [20:56:47] <mru> it would be much more fun to have the specs for the actual hardware
  • [20:57:38] <jkridner> the yes/no decision on opening up hardware is rather complex. open developers don't always end up on the winning side.
  • [20:57:41] <dannyBlue> the img tech dudes are usually active on the khronos forums
  • [20:58:14] <mru> jkridner: open developers are hardly ever on the winning side
  • [20:58:29] <jkridner> tell them to get over here and do something fun with Beagle. :)
  • [20:58:46] <koen> dannyBlue: people mentioning 'porting' send of red flags for me :)
  • [20:58:56] <mru> the beagle would be more fun if the hardware were more open
  • [20:59:06] <koen> dannyBlue: too many people told me they 'ported' stuff like tar and grep to their device
  • [20:59:16] <jkridner> anything else you feel is closed besides the SGX?
  • [20:59:25] <jkridner> we've given a LOT of hardware specs.
  • [20:59:35] <koen> sgx, twl
  • [20:59:39] <koen> is iva open?
  • [20:59:59] <jkridner> TPS (TWL equivalent) is coming.
  • [21:00:07] <dannyBlue> koen: sorry not the correct term, basically what needs to be done is use the proper windowing apis and see if the performa is good, "lightwieght port" of the graphic apis ;)
  • [21:00:30] <jkridner> video accelerators aren't open, but we need the community making good use of the DSP first.
  • [21:00:42] <mru> jkridner: why?
  • [21:01:02] <Crofton> credibility?
  • [21:01:04] <jkridner> if we had really good community output on the DSP, it would help with justification to release IVA specs.
  • [21:01:07] <Crofton> PHB reasoning ....
  • [21:01:09] * mru will probably never understand the corporate mindset
  • [21:01:20] <jkridner> :)
  • [21:01:42] <mru> guess I'll just have to get cracking on that dsp code
  • [21:01:54] <jkridner> it is probably dangerous for me to explain, but that never stopped me.
  • [21:02:24] <jkridner> first is the support cost vs. revenue.
  • [21:02:29] <mru> jkridner: don't get wrong, I really appreciate the support we're getting from TI
  • [21:02:49] <jkridner> with many questions coming in, it gets very difficult to tell which ones are worth answering to result in revenue....
  • [21:02:56] <mru> hmm.. the way I see it, I'm more likely to buy a chip I can actually use
  • [21:03:07] <jkridner> if you stick to a small set of 3rd parties, then you know answering their questions will help enable the platform.
  • [21:03:21] <jkridner> second, you have to look at incentives for 3rd parties.
  • [21:03:22] <mru> where's the harm in making specs public?
  • [21:03:33] <mru> you could still refuse to answer any direct questions
  • [21:03:58] <dannyBlue> mru: legal and closed mind sets in corporation specially huge and small niche corps are very hard to explain.
  • [21:04:00] <bjdooks_> with the state of the specs some people supply, it can be too difficult
  • [21:04:02] <jkridner> if everyone gets them, then how do 3rd parties provide *enough* value such that they can recoup the the costs for their rather expensive engineering team.
  • [21:04:27] <mru> by writing good quality software, of course
  • [21:04:30] <jkridner> mru: I'm working on the aspect of refusing to answer direct questions.
  • [21:04:31] <DJWillis> jkridner: how to cut down on tyre kickers ;-). Open Source is unusual in that you can get a lot of value from tyre kickers sometimes.
  • [21:04:34] <mru> or by putting the chips in good products
  • [21:04:43] <jkridner> you have no idea how many people send me direct e-mails to ask about Beagle.
  • [21:04:49] <Crofton> the key thing is, what maximizes TI profit
  • [21:04:55] <dannyBlue> exactly remember the Creative Vista incident a user created drivers and Creative almoust took the guys house.
  • [21:04:55] <jkridner> they just don't get it when I tell them to e-mail the mailing list.
  • [21:04:57] * Crofton gets the PHB equation
  • [21:05:06] <mru> intel make loads of money from open-spec hardware
  • [21:05:29] <ds2> specs? can you at least tell us how to shut off the IVA clocks? :)
  • [21:06:14] <mru> I often get questions in private mail about ffmpeg and other projects where name pops up
  • [21:06:15] <jkridner> TI makes loads of money off of manufacturers that don't always want the details of their internals spread across creation.
  • [21:06:30] <mru> if I'm in a good mood, I might direct them to the proper mailing list
  • [21:06:34] <mru> otherwise I ignore them
  • [21:06:37] <jkridner> open consumer products (non-computers) is still something relatively new.
  • [21:07:01] <jkridner> it is a difficult transition, and I think we are keeping ourselves near the front lines.
  • [21:07:33] <DJWillis> jkridner: that is something I have seen before, open a later product and open the old product by 'mistake' leading to kit being open that was never really planned to be.
  • [21:08:01] <jkridner> when many of those e-mails are coming from my co-workers, customers, and partners, it is a bit more difficult for me to ignore them than random people on the Internet.
  • [21:08:15] <mru> if TI customers don't want to open their designs, that's their choice
  • [21:08:17] <jkridner> DJWillis: like the SLUG.
  • [21:08:47] <jkridner> mru: but the SoC is becoming a huge part of their designs.
  • [21:08:57] <DJWillis> jkridner: good example.
  • [21:09:03] <jkridner> you have to remember, I'm only so good at playing devil's advocate.
  • [21:09:46] <ds2> heh
  • [21:09:56] * ds2 trys his best to keep silent ;)
  • [21:11:04] * mru works for a company so paranoid that some secrets are not allowed to exist on networked computers
  • [21:21:13] * suihkulokki thinks most companies like keep closed so they don't get riduculed by the public seeing their low quality of code ;)
  • [21:24:11] * bjdooks_ is nicely full of pizza
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  • [21:30:16] <mru> suihkulokki: that's been my theory too for some time
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  • [21:38:46] <koen> wow
  • [21:39:00] <koen> when you think people can't mess up emails more
  • [21:39:12] <koen> mr miller and trigg are setting new annoyance records
  • [21:39:18] <mru> never underestimate the outlook users
  • [21:39:40] <ds2> Lookout!
  • [21:39:41] <koen> top posting and keeping a few k under their sig
  • [21:40:34] <koen> ah well, it beats the bikeshedding about git committer IDs on the OE list
  • [21:40:48] <Crofton|work> bikeshedding?
  • [21:41:23] <koen> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bikeshedding
  • [21:42:03] <koen> if you want to build nuclear powerplant you can pass the plans without discussion, since it's hard stuff people know nothing about
  • [21:42:25] <koen> building a bikeshed takes eons since everyone on the committee known something about bikeshed
  • [21:42:37] <koen> "Futile investment of time and energy in marginal technical issues, often including annoying propaganda."
  • [21:43:12] * mru wishes they'd build another bikeshed at work
  • [21:43:25] <mru> the one we have is too small on a nice day
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  • [21:44:19] <mru> hehe... my spam filter has starting placing trigg's mails in the spam box
  • [21:44:34] <mru> only one step away from silently discarding
  • [21:46:10] * koen heads to bed
  • [21:46:27] <ds2> aren't we due for a discussion on the type of comments and spaces required in all commits? ;)
  • [21:46:37] <koen> tomorrow will be a codec-engine/OE day
  • [21:47:03] <Crofton> gn
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  • [22:13:31] <jkridner> just heard from Digi-Key: international orders will begin on Friday morning US time.
  • [22:14:04] <turqy> jkridner: I got mine on Tuesday this week
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  • [22:24:35] <Crofton|work> jkridner, how many have they sold?
  • [22:28:54] <jkridner> wow, I was slow in providing a response about FPU support. Mailing list is quite active today.
  • [22:29:48] <ds2> what volume of beagles need to be maintained to get the price to drop further? :)
  • [22:30:33] <Crofton|work> heh, I suspect what volume needs to occur for someone to not lose money ....
  • [22:31:56] <jkridner> the 0.65mm ball-pitch package should enable some good price drops for early next year.
  • [22:32:21] <ds2> asked this a while ago, let me ask again - exactly what pins are missing that would prevent a raw LCD being connected? it seems all the needed pins are already available at the resistor packs used for the DVI stuff
  • [22:33:35] <jkridner> you have schematics and data sheets to figure that out. :)
  • [22:33:48] <ds2> phunny :P
  • [22:34:01] <jkridner> if you are serious about doing an LCD, you wouldn't be able to do it w/o spending a lot of time to make a board really ugly.
  • [22:34:06] <ds2> it was the schematics that suggested the pins are brought out to the resistor packs
  • [22:34:10] <jkridner> I can't see how it'd be worth it.
  • [22:34:34] <ds2> it will be ugly but it'll be a useful lab tool to proto stuff
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  • [22:36:54] <sakoman_> jkridner: woo-hoo! built a working beagle MLO from my x-load git
  • [22:37:11] <jkridner> hooray!
  • [22:37:17] <sakoman_> x-load needs *lots* of cleanup :-(
  • [22:37:30] <ds2> Hmmmm
  • [22:38:12] <ds2> it just occurred to me... if I manage to totally trash the NAND flash on a NAND only 2420 board, couldn't I just use an SD card w/MLO to recover?
  • [22:38:18] <ds2> or is this a OMAP3 thing?
  • [22:38:39] <sakoman_> ds2: hope someone else can answer, because I have no clue :-)
  • [22:38:48] <sakoman_> never used an omap2
  • [22:39:06] <ds2> it is the N800's... they have no documented JTAG or console port
  • [22:41:33] <sakoman_> jkridner: I brought the beagle xload board support in line with evm and overo. Theoretically it will work with either nand or onenand now
  • [22:42:59] <jkridner> should I switch the git tree on that one to yours as well, like I'm doing for u-boot? (I'll wait to get a couple of confirmations, but I want to see if you think that is the right path.)
  • [22:43:24] <jkridner> I'm not sure if Mr. Park is still handling x-load or not.
  • [22:43:24] <sakoman_> jkridner: I think it is too early for that
  • [22:43:28] <jkridner> k.
  • [22:43:28] <Crofton|work> having one version of all the low level stuff will be huge ....
  • [22:43:57] <jkridner> it'll be nice for OE to have somewhere to pull x-load from, even though we want x-load to go away. :)
  • [22:44:19] <sakoman_> I'm finding it useful to have all three in the same git for x-load, u-boot, and kernel
  • [22:44:57] <Crofton|work> we do want to keep the kernel focused on the linux-omap git :)
  • [22:45:10] <Crofton|work> stupid .eu and their long vacations .....
  • [22:45:14] <jkridner|work> :)
  • [22:45:20] <jkridner|work> Tony will be back!
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  • [22:46:09] <sakoman_> Crofton: can't do real development with the patch approval process in series. You really need a branch to work in
  • [22:46:24] <dcordes> jkridner|work: looks like the situation with beagleboard exports at digikey has not changed yet. Still can't select the product from .de.
  • [22:46:56] <mru> dcordes: friday is the ETA
  • [22:47:03] <sakoman_> Crofton: I apply likely looking patches from the list along with my own work, and then do frequent merges with linux-omap
  • [22:47:34] <jkridner> big Flickr badge on http://beagleboard.org/media/ now.
  • [22:47:46] <jkridner> Everyone, upload your Beagle pics! :)
  • [22:47:51] <jkridner> (and vids)
  • [22:48:11] <dcordes> mru: ok
  • [22:48:23] <jkridner> dcordes: correct. I got word from Digi-Key this afternoon that they will start taking international orders on Friday morning US time.
  • [22:48:38] <jkridner> thanks mru. I'm slow to read.
  • [22:50:06] <dcordes> ok great
  • [22:50:58] <Crofton|work> sakoman, yeah i find the kernel git workflow a bit funny
  • [22:51:19] <Crofton|work> I am pretty sure people do exactly what you are doing
  • [22:51:35] <Crofton|work> the whole patch management thing is foreign to me
  • [22:51:46] <dcordes> I already thought I'd need to have my auntie bring me one
  • [22:52:09] <Crofton|work> there goes my smuggling beagle boards for profit biz
  • [22:52:29] <sakoman_> Crofton: you just have to go with the flow -- it's the way things are done in kernel-land
  • [22:52:38] <Crofton|work> yeah
  • [22:53:00] <Crofton|work> ok, I need to escape the house, estrogenfest underway
  • [22:53:18] <sakoman_> later!
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  • [22:53:43] <dcordes> I like the photo on flickr showing two power supplies that look like setandard pc ones power 40 tiny pcs
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