[00:00:46] <ds2> if you got a 1024x768 HMD, you have the budget for a EVM!
[00:01:06] <ds2> and I have priced out HDMs
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[03:47:30] <zarquin> hi
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[10:19:37] <koen> there, myth 0.21 compiled for armv5te
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[12:07:10] <koen> RogerMonk: have a look at http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ :)
[12:08:45] <koen> RogerMonk: mythtv 0.21 running on beagle
[12:35:43] <Crofton> koen, nfs-utils-1.1.3 creates mount.nfs :)
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[12:37:17] <jkridner|work> good morning
[12:37:27] <Crofton> gm
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[13:11:14] <sakoman_> gm
[13:14:39] <koen> Crofton: 1.1.2 as well, and that's in OE now :)
[13:14:42] <koen> hey sakoman_
[13:15:03] <Crofton> er, I think that is what I meant :)
[13:18:30] <koen> I had to edit the recipe to install mount.nfs, though
[13:24:08] <Crofton> I think there needs to be a link from mount.nfs3 to mount.nfs
[13:24:18] <Crofton> I'll check that when I can
[13:24:22] <Crofton> hopefully soon
[13:24:41] <Crofton> trying to work out how to get gnu radio test programs to run
[13:30:45] <koen> http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/2695061759/in/pool-beagleboard
[13:32:22] <jkridner|work> sweet!!!
[13:32:31] <jkridner|work> I have to show that at LinuxWorld!
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[13:32:55] <jkridner|work> using a keyboard for controls?
[13:33:29] <jkridner|work> drool.... Need DSP/FFmpeg integration.... drool.
[13:33:53] <koen> jkridner|work: keyboard for control, yes
[13:34:12] <koen> jkridner|work: should be fairly easy to drop in mrus NEON stuff
[13:34:31] <koen> since myth has an internal copy of ffmpeg sources
[13:34:58] <ldesnogu> I guess jkridner|work would like FFmpeg to use c64x+ :-)
[13:35:03] <koen> jkridner|work: but I think having an XV driver for the omapfb overlay would make another big impact
[13:36:26] <ldesnogu> koen: isn't xv supposed to use hardware for reaching high-speed? and IIUC the hardware doesn't have the right yuv support
[13:38:53] <jkridner|work> ldesnogu: you know I would, but I'm happy with NEON for now.
[13:39:33] <jkridner|work> Once there are plenty of developers, I suspect some will look to off-load the ARM or add multi-channel or higher-resolution support.
[13:40:11] <ldesnogu> I wonder how hard it would be to have yuv2yuv *and* audio decoding on the DSP
[13:40:44] <jkridner|work> I need to escalate the issue of finding out about YUV420 support vs the YUV422 support that is in the driver today.
[13:41:05] <ldesnogu> that's only a driver limitation, not a hw one?
[13:41:13] <jkridner|work> yuv2yuv and audio decoding would be minimal processing overhead for the DSP.
[13:41:29] <jkridner|work> the trick is getting the right software for ARM/DSP communications.
[13:41:38] <ldesnogu> jkridner|work: indeed, I am only wondering how multiple processes run on the DSP ;)
[13:42:04] <jkridner|work> well, if you download CCS, you get a copy of DSP/BIOS.
[13:42:36] <jkridner|work> (DSP/BIOS is an RTOS)
[13:43:06] <ldesnogu> but is that compatible with the various dsp gateway/link/whatever?
[13:43:06] <jkridner|work> CCS can be downloaded for free, but the debugger will stop working after 120 days.
[13:43:33] <jkridner|work> DSP/BIOS is used with Link and Bridge. I don't know the Gateway architecture.
[13:43:44] <ldesnogu> jkridner|work: I guess not only the debugger will stop working, the compiler tool will too...
[13:43:59] <ldesnogu> ok good to know :)
[13:45:04] <ldesnogu> jkridner|work: BTW I got no answer for my question about open source usage for OpenMAX DL NEON library
[13:45:21] <ldesnogu> I probably didn't find the right person to ask to...
[13:45:48] <jkridner|work> are you talking about within FFmpeg?
[13:46:10] <ldesnogu> within anything that could make use of that code
[13:46:11] <jkridner|work> I probably missed the question.
[13:46:27] <ldesnogu> it's an ARM internal question so it's good you missed it :-)
[13:46:35] <jkridner|work> ah! :)
[13:47:02] <jkridner|work> *can* it be used, vs. is anyone interested in using it.
[13:47:17] <ldesnogu> well if it can't be used, the subject is closed
[13:47:37] <ldesnogu> if it can be used, it's up to someone to pick code and copy it where needed
[13:47:51] <jkridner|work> I heard that some ARM folks had some ideas on improving mru's DCT. any idea if those will be shared to see if they are good ideas?
[13:48:25] <ldesnogu> who told you that?
[13:48:37] <ldesnogu> oh well I guess it's not a big secret...
[13:48:53] <ldesnogu> ARM IDCT is faster but less accurate as far as I understood
[13:49:07] <koen> jkridner|work: tried the TI neon compiler on ffmpeg yet?
[13:49:22] <ldesnogu> I am not sure mru wants to trade accuracy for speed
[13:50:18] * ldesnogu didn't know TI had a NEON compiler
[13:50:55] <jkridner|work> I have not, but I understand there is a meeting coming up to talk about that.
[13:51:01] <jkridner|work> TI does make a NEON compiler. :)
[13:51:26] <jkridner|work> ARM has one too, which should be interesting to try.
[13:51:49] <koen> AIUI the TI one is better at compiling and vectorizing things with loops
[13:51:57] <ldesnogu> I don't trust a compiler for vectorization...
[13:51:59] <jkridner|work> You can download and try TI's NEON compiler with CCS.
[13:52:03] <koen> coming from a DSP company and all
[13:52:12] <Crofton> hmm, the gnuradio benchmark dot product benchmark is way slower on the beagle than my laptop ....
[13:52:23] <koen> Crofton: double precision floats?
[13:52:37] <Crofton> I do not think so
[13:52:39] <ldesnogu> if you laptop is a Core thingie that's no surprise :)
[13:52:46] <Crofton> pretty sure single precision
[13:52:51] <Crofton> it is :)
[13:52:52] <koen> NEON should be able to do pretty fast single precision dot products
[13:53:23] * Crofton is just hoping for results atm
[13:53:41] <koen> ldesnogu: the issue with mythtv and XV is that it will spend eons in colourspace conversion
[13:53:50] <jkridner|work> Crofton: which compiler and which settings?
[13:53:54] <Crofton> hopefully, we can interest some of the gnuradio crowd when the boards go on sale
[13:53:59] <jkridner|work> GCC? CS2007q3?
[13:53:59] <Crofton> OE default :)
[13:54:03] <koen> ldesnogu: mru has a NEON based colourspace converter, but even that takes 25% of cpu time
[13:54:04] <jkridner|work> ah.
[13:54:19] <Crofton> right now, I am working through build issues :)
[13:54:23] <ldesnogu> koen: are you sure the hardware can handle that?
[13:54:28] <Crofton> and how to get the make check target to work
[13:54:50] <ldesnogu> Crofton: you probably ended up running on the VFPlite, which is bad :)
[13:54:52] <prpplague> morning folks
[13:55:03] <ldesnogu> hello
[13:55:06] <koen> jkridner|work: a journalist from http://www.heise-online.co.uk/ was interested in the beagleboard stuff, RogerMonk shoudl have his contact sheet
[13:55:26] <koen> ldesnogu: -mfpu=neon shouldn't fall back to vfp, right?
[13:55:30] <koen> hey prpplague
[13:55:38] <ldesnogu> koen: it is IIRC
[13:56:39] <Crofton> excellent, results
[13:58:24] <Crofton> http://pastebin.ca/1080760
[13:58:53] <Crofton> hmm, I worry about the ads during US TV tour coverage
[13:59:11] <Crofton> why would people interested in cycling need "natural male enhancement"?
[13:59:28] <koen> cyclists do dope, so why shouldn't the fans?
[14:00:06] <Crofton> natural dope :)
[14:00:09] <koen> Crofton: so generic is 30 times slower
[14:00:16] <Crofton> soemthing like that
[14:00:26] <koen> and 300 times slower than sse
[14:00:30] <Crofton> we need to add neon to generic
[14:00:32] <koen> try doing a NEON version :)
[14:00:40] <Crofton> yeah
[14:00:42] <ldesnogu> koen: did you try and see if the code changes? :)
[14:00:54] <koen> ldesnogu: which code?
[14:01:03] <ldesnogu> -mfpu=neon vs vfp
[14:01:13] <ldesnogu> according to my tests it did not change anything
[14:01:15] <koen> gcc -S shows it puts fpu=neon on top
[14:01:31] <koen> didn't disassemble the results
[14:01:34] <ldesnogu> well if it still generated vfp instructions that doesn't change anything
[14:01:49] <ldesnogu> I will check again :)
[14:04:43] <koen> ldesnogu: I needed -mfloat-abi=softfp to get the fpu-neon with gcc -S
[14:07:56] <koen> ldesnogu: cortex-a9 has vfp-heavy?
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[14:08:43] <koen> RogerMonk: does usb otg work on the rev A boards that arrived on monday?
[14:08:46] <ldesnogu> koen: :P
[14:08:57] <ldesnogu> the C-A9 VFP is fully pipelined
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[14:12:58] <koen> jkridner|work: a lot of people were asking how beagle compared to the arduino
[14:13:15] <ldesnogu> koen: with 2007q3 -mfpu neon or vfp doesn't change anything
[14:14:07] <koen> and adding -mfloat-abi=softfp?
[14:14:16] <jkridner|work> totally different class of capability/performance.
[14:14:21] <ldesnogu> that's what I did
[14:14:27] <ldesnogu> same with 2008q1
[14:14:40] <jkridner|work> Beagle is not something that can be built in a garage.
[14:15:05] <Crofton> what? You can't do the bga and pop in a toaster oven?
[14:15:36] <koen> jkridner|work: I said something like "arduino is good for making leds blink, beagle does HD video"
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[14:16:23] <jkridner|work> Beagle looks to pull development environments from desktop code, rather than building up a lightweight programming language/system.
[14:16:38] <jkridner|work> koen: nice summary!
[14:17:00] <jkridner|work> your little LED blinking video might give the wrong impression. ;)
[14:17:26] <koen> people didn't believe that the 24" screens were being driven by the beagle
[14:17:30] <jkridner|work> Having a video of the video playback would be nice. I just have no time to make one.
[14:17:37] <jkridner|work> :)
[14:17:59] <jkridner|work> need to figure out how to get them convinced.
[14:18:14] <jkridner|work> btw, this is great feedback. thanks!
[14:18:19] <prpplague> jkridner|work: we have the same problem with the hammer
[14:19:38] <jkridner|work> (oh, won't someone please get the Flyswatter to work with Beagle)
[14:31:29] <koen> RogerMonk: could you hop on to #neuros?
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[14:46:29] <Crofton> fyi, here is the code for the generic dot product!
[14:47:35] <koen> where?
[14:47:48] <Crofton> http://gnuradio.org/trac/browser/gnuradio/trunk/gnuradio-core/src/lib/filter/complex_dotprod_generic.cc
[14:47:52] <Crofton> oops :)
[14:48:07] <Crofton> there are a number of forms
[14:48:17] <Crofton> depending on input and taps types
[14:50:39] <koen> and the sse version: http://gnuradio.org/trac/browser/gnuradio/trunk/gnuradio-core/src/lib/filter/ccomplex_dotprod_sse.S
[14:51:04] <Crofton> yeah
[14:56:09] <Crofton> http://gnuradio.org/trac/changeset/8976
[14:56:15] <Crofton> need to do this for NEON
[14:56:39] <Crofton> need to find someone willing to pay for that :)
[15:04:31] <ldesnogu> it looks like they are using intrinsics for Altivec
[15:04:57] <Crofton> He did a quick job
[15:05:02] <koen> hence the "we can make it faster" comment :)
[15:05:07] <Crofton> yeah
[15:05:09] <ldesnogu> ^^
[15:05:28] <Crofton> bother nfs is stuck again
[15:07:25] <Crofton> oh well, these crazy guys are going to ride uphill in a minute ...
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[15:13:44] <jkridner|work> I cannot believe it took me this long to find this link: http://focus.ti.com/dsp/docs/dspsupportaut.tsp?sectionId=3&tabId=416&familyId=44&toolTypeId=30
[15:13:47] <jkridner|work> CCS eval version.
[15:17:36] <jkridner|work> not sure if it includes all of the Cortex-A8/NEON updates.
[15:18:01] <ldesnogu> I don't think so
[15:18:27] <jkridner|work> k. service release 9 (SR9) should have all the updates.
[15:18:29] <ldesnogu> I installed it a few months ago and there was no mention of it
[15:19:05] <ldesnogu> anyway this is useless for us poor Linux users as it refuses to install with Wine :(
[15:24:07] * denix is back
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[15:25:26] <denix> koen: woot! myth is here, congrats! :)
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[15:44:51] <koen> denix: I put 0.21-fixes into the feeds
[15:45:24] <koen> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?action=details&pnm=mythtv-frontend
[15:45:41] <koen> probably needs http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?action=details&pnm=mythtv-theme-g.a.n.t
[15:45:41] <denix> thanks!
[15:46:02] <denix> and qt3?
[15:47:45] <koen> in there as well
[15:48:02] <koen> 'opkg install mythtv-frontend mythtv-theme-g.a.n.t' should do the trick
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[16:01:39] <Paulius> When is the board going to be available/on sale?
[16:06:37] <dirk2> Paulius: There are some reports that you might be able to order rev B boards starting end of next week from digi key
[16:06:44] <Paulius> ah, cool.
[16:08:08] <dirk2> Paulius: You should join beagle mailing list to get more info when sale starts
[16:08:13] <Paulius> gotcha
[16:09:43] <docelic> Do you guys notice that Login button on beagleboard.org is not working?
[16:10:50] <dirk2> docelic: Just checked, its working, I'm logged in
[16:11:08] <docelic> how do you make it work? I'm clicking it and nothing is happening
[16:11:21] <docelic> just refreshes the page
[16:13:01] <dirk2> docelic: I entered my openID "link" http://xxxxxx.myopenid.com/, then I'm redirected to openID login, enter there the password and then I'm logged in
[16:15:00] <dirk2> docelic: See description at http://beagleboard.org/login
[16:15:19] <docelic> you're right, thanks
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[17:04:04] <koen> http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/2692388640/ now has some notes
[17:04:36] <prpplague> koen: why don't you use the elinux wiki to post that kind of stuff?
[17:04:59] <koen> because I'm used to flickr
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[18:12:50] <mru> good afternoon
[18:13:26] <Crofton|work> gm
[18:43:15] <koen> mru: I see you did some commit to your omap tree
[18:43:29] <koen> mru: does it solve the crashes, or is it just cleaning up patches?
[18:48:24] <mru> I've only cleaned up the clock setting a bit
[18:48:47] <mru> no change in actual runtime settings with my config
[18:51:20] <ds2> what happens on monday?
[18:51:33] <mru> weekend ends
[18:52:06] <ds2> it almost sounds like the voyage of the TI Beagle begins
[18:54:21] <koen> I suspect there will be a press event on monday
[18:54:39] * koen suspects reuters HQ needs to look out for TI employees dressed in beagle suits
[18:57:14] <ds2> Hmmm
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[19:05:52] <bjdooks> hmm, must get boss to place digikey order before he goes on holiday friday
[19:06:02] * bjdooks has components he needs to complete projects
[19:14:35] <sakoman_> why the speculation about Monday? Did I miss some announcement?
[19:14:51] <ds2> read your mail?
[19:16:57] <sakoman_> Ah, the Digikey stuff?
[19:17:03] <ds2> *nod*
[19:18:18] <sakoman_> Has anyone here successfully built a custom x-load from sources?
[19:18:45] <ds2> has anyone drunk frong the holy grail?
[19:18:49] <ds2> =)
[19:18:55] <ds2> s/frong/from/
[19:20:17] <mru> I've built x-load from source
[19:20:40] <mru> I couldn't figure out why it kept trying to load uboot from sd, so I disable sd support
[19:27:13] <sakoman_> mru: any issues?
[19:27:27] <mru> with x-load? no, none at all
[19:27:48] <mru> except the non-ability of then-current uboot to flash it
[19:28:32] <sakoman_> mru: I'm working with some new hw, so I'm trying to build a version to use with USB peripheral boot mode
[19:28:51] <mru> oh, I didn't try anything fancy like that
[19:29:08] <prpplague> i keep telling you guys, you should try apex, the nand boot features are pretty solid
[19:29:31] <mru> what's apex?
[19:29:44] <ds2> he he he
[19:29:49] <prpplague> http://www.elinux.org/APEX
[19:30:38] <mru> I see no mention of omap there...
[19:31:03] <mru> and besides, x-load/u-boot is working fine
[19:31:05] <ds2> did someone just volunteered to write the OMAP init code for APEX? ;)
[19:31:09] <sakoman_> Things aren't well documented on the peripheral boot side. I *think* it wants an unsigned binary, but I'm not sure :-(
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[19:38:48] <prpplague> mru: yea there is no cortex-a8 support currently, but porting it is soooo easy
[19:39:09] <prpplague> ds2: as soon as i have time to get a beagle board, that and openocd support are on my agenda
[19:39:53] <prpplague> ds2: just have no time right now with the m8050 soon to be released
[19:40:03] <mru> I'll stick with what works, and the things I can fix
[19:40:21] <mru> I have a working boot loader, so I don't need another just now
[19:40:31] <mru> but more choice can't be bad
[19:41:05] <prpplague> mru: i did the apex support for the s3c2410 and s3c2440
[20:06:47] <denix> sakoman_: are you building x-loader for beagle or for evm?
[20:07:46] <sakoman_> denix: actually, neither. I am doing board bringup on a clients omap3 boards
[20:10:00] <denix> oh, I see. we've done some changes to x-loader recently, like adding kermit serial download support.
[20:11:17] <denix> it won't work on beagle, as it can't do serial boot, though
[20:13:33] <sakoman_> denix: why can't beagle do serial boot?
[20:14:07] <sakoman_> In any event, I am using usb peripheral boot at the moment
[20:15:23] <denix> sakoman_: uart3 is missing :)
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[20:15:58] <sakoman_> I am booting Nishanth's uboot-serial binary and using that to kermit download my u-boot 1.3.4 code
[20:16:26] <sakoman_> denix: I thought beagle had *only* uart3!
[20:16:51] <denix> how do you load the initial uboot?
[20:17:04] <denix> can you load x-loader over the serial?
[20:17:05] <sakoman_> usb peripheral boot
[20:17:37] <sakoman_> so rom code loads uboot-serial over usb
[20:18:04] <denix> but not over serial
[20:18:12] <sakoman_> then I run kermit on serial 3 and interact with uboot-serial to download my larger u-boot 1.3.4 code over serial
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[20:19:35] <denix> so, the first stage is done over usb, not serial. evm can do all of it over serial w/o usb
[20:19:36] <sakoman_> denix: I've tried doing usb peripheral boot with x-load images (both signed and unsigned) and they do nothing!
[20:20:00] <sakoman_> just like the bits go into a black hole :-(
[20:20:45] <denix> afaik, beagle shares some uart3 lines with usb, while uart1 is wired out
[20:21:09] <sakoman_> denix: no uart3 is wired out on beagle
[20:21:27] <sakoman_> that is the standard serial port for beagle
[20:22:14] <denix> ok, I'd need to check the hw manual... :)
[20:22:43] <sakoman_> denix: do you know why xload images downloaded with usb peripheral boot won't give any signs of life? Not even the Xload banner!
[20:23:26] <Crofton|work> I wonder if the opening of the beagle board, will have better sales than the batman movie .....
[20:29:43] <denix> hmm, not sure if it's changed, but early revs of beagle had uart3 muxed with ULPI, which screws with ROM boot...
[20:30:50] <denix> sakoman_: which uart those x-loader images use for the console?
[20:31:11] <sakoman_> uart3
[20:31:26] <sakoman_> And I am looking on uart3
[20:32:14] <sakoman_> If I download Nishant's uboot v2.0 via USB peripheral boot it works perfectly and I can interact with it on uart3
[20:32:41] <sakoman_> But xloads just seem to die
[20:32:48] <denix> you mean, interact over the serial port...
[20:32:51] <sakoman_> yes
[20:33:04] <sakoman_> USB just gets the code into sram
[20:33:49] <sakoman_> then I switch to serial
[20:37:01] <denix> have you built your own x-loader images?
[20:38:27] <sakoman_> yes, I have. I've also tried to use the pre-built evm x-load with usb peripheral boot (on the evm) with exacltly the same result
[20:39:17] <sakoman_> oops - take that back. I did the pre-built binary experiment on beagle
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[20:52:31] <denix> double-checked the hw ref and indeed it says serial port/header is wired to uart3...
[20:52:40] <sakoman_> yup
[20:54:09] <denix> need jkridner to clarify... :)
[20:56:07] <Crofton|work> http://www.balister.org/~balister/shoulder-xray/01.jpg
[20:56:14] <Crofton|work> this afternoons project
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[21:00:27] <maelcum> is the usb host port going to come back in future board revisions?
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[21:09:28] <ds2> is the USB host port really needed? what application do you have that needs both ports?
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[21:13:54] <maelcum> this board could be used for a small server. servers need hard disks and network, for example.
[21:14:45] <sakoman_> Crofton: looks broke to me!
[21:14:58] <sakoman_> looks "ouch" too!
[21:15:08] <sakoman_> bike crash?
[21:18:50] <ds2> maelcum: the host-only port is not needed for that
[21:19:21] <ds2> hub on the MUSB port will do that just fine
[21:19:40] <ds2> anyone know what speed the EVM OMAP is rated for?
[21:20:25] <denix> runs at 600
[21:20:39] <Crofton> yeah bike wreck
[21:20:52] <Crofton> I can't find anything good to compare with
[21:21:00] <Crofton> I'll have to wait on real doctors
[21:21:14] <sakoman_> Crofton: you really need to stop doing that!
[21:21:19] <Crofton> yeah
[21:24:56] <ds2> denix: but is it rated for 600?
[21:26:53] <denix> what's the difference? :)
[21:28:38] <maelcum> ds2: ok, nice. i didn't know. so the port that is available can do host *and* gadget? two ports would still be better for performance, though :/
[21:28:50] <Crofton> sakoman, only the one wreck, the shoulder is still painful for some usage patterns
[21:29:29] <ds2> yes, the existing port can do host OR gadget; just not simultaenously
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[21:30:03] <ds2> the host only port has other restrictions on it ... like it is HS only, no FS/LS support
[21:31:53] <denix> ds2: http://elinux.org/index.php?title=BeagleBoard#Clocking
[21:32:01] <bjdooks> maelcum: not necessarily, if there's only one EHCI controller then it'll be bandwith shared between two ports
[21:33:06] <ds2> denix: thanks... guess all OMAP35xx's are rated at max 600MHz? no such thing as a part only good for 400MHz, etc like the x86 world?
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[21:34:35] <denix> 600 MHz / 430 MHz @ 1.35V
[21:34:46] <denix> 550 MHz / 400 MHz @ 1.27V
[21:34:53] <denix> 500 MHz / 360 MHz @ 1.2V
[21:35:03] <maelcum> i see that the loss of the host-only port is not really a loss.
[21:35:05] <denix> that is ARM/DSP
[21:35:06] <ds2> I'm used to the x86 world where they play games with labeling
[21:35:45] <denix> I though 3503 was rated lower that 3530, but it doesn't look like it from the specs...
[21:36:27] <sakoman_> Crofton: did they tell you your clavicle is broken?
[21:36:41] <maelcum> does anybody have an idea how well the opengl es hardware can be used for general purpose computations?
[21:36:42] <Crofton> now
[21:37:04] <Crofton> I made an appointment and they sent me for xrays first
[21:37:06] <ds2> unfortunately, the OpenGL stuff is under wraps at the moment
[21:37:24] <Crofton> I just got them done, and like any nerd, I post them on the internet :)
[21:37:43] <sakoman_> That has got to be really painful!
[21:37:55] <Crofton> The cardiologist refuses to diagnose :)
[21:37:58] <Crofton> not really
[21:38:08] <maelcum> hum. would be awesome to have aes acceleration on the graphics hardware, you know :)
[21:38:18] <Crofton> basically, overhead work, some arm motions and combing my hair
[21:38:19] <sakoman_> My wife's a nurse. She walked by and said "ouch! broken clavicle"
[21:38:23] <Crofton> hahahahaha
[21:38:39] <Crofton> I know how to make it hurt a lot :)
[21:39:04] <sakoman_> Yeah, just get those two bone ends rubbing!
[21:39:07] <Crofton> I sent it to a list with a couple of med students :)
[21:40:07] <sakoman_> It might not be broken -- maybe just ripped ligaments where things attach ;-)
[21:40:13] <Crofton> yeah
[21:40:28] <Crofton> I can't find good comparisons, this internet thing is useless
[21:40:52] <Crofton> we should pull that up on a beagle
[21:41:52] <Crofton> the stupid CD had to be run in a windows box with IE only
[21:43:34] <Crofton> it would be much easier to self diagnose if I had an xray of the other side :)
[21:52:56] <sakoman_> Crofton: I think you can be pretty sure that the gap between the two bone ends isn't normal
[21:53:19] <Crofton|work> heh
[21:53:44] <Crofton|work> most collarbone fractures are out of the joint
[21:53:55] <Crofton|work> at the latest I should have an answer Aug 7
[21:55:41] <Crofton|work> My friend the ER doctor should have some good comments :) He's always willing to stick his neck out
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