• [00:52:50] <koen> sakoman: the omap-as-platform stuff got applied :)
  • [00:52:59] <koen> that's 4 less patches to carry :)
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  • [10:15:53] <jkridner> gm
  • [10:16:27] <Crofton|work> gm
  • [10:16:28] <jkridner> koen: which project?
  • [10:16:33] <Crofton|work> and I thought I was up early
  • [10:16:48] <jkridner> Crofton|work: already at work on a Saturday pre-dawn?
  • [10:18:47] <Crofton|work> well
  • [10:18:51] <Crofton|work> I work in the basement
  • [10:19:06] <jkridner> :) so you *are* at work.
  • [10:19:27] <jkridner> jkridner|work is a laptop for me.
  • [10:20:18] <Crofton|work> well, I am trying to build some beagle images
  • [10:20:54] <jkridner> cool.
  • [10:20:55] <Crofton|work> one man's fix is another man's bug
  • [10:23:41] <Crofton|work> did you see the picture of my power mod?
  • [10:25:30] <jkridner> nope.
  • [10:25:39] <jkridner> anything particularly different about it?
  • [10:25:51] <Crofton|work> http://www.flickr.com/photos/32615155@N00/2536578545/
  • [10:26:10] <Crofton|work> cut plug of usb hub power supply and connected to board
  • [10:26:58] <jkridner> just invited it to the BeagleBoard flickr group.
  • [10:27:02] <Crofton|work> ok
  • [10:27:31] <Crofton|work> I should have focused more on how my soldering is better then koen's :)
  • [10:27:45] <jkridner> :)
  • [10:28:42] <jkridner> I just realized I don't know what the mini-AB's capabilities are to power USB peripherals.
  • [10:29:01] <jkridner> I know it works with a hub, since that is how I demoed the Rev 0 boards.
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  • [10:29:40] <jkridner> Rev 0 boards didn't have the EHCI port working at all.
  • [10:32:30] <koen> it seems that otg doesn't provide power on the beagle board
  • [10:32:56] <koen> jkridner: and 'which project?' is your question referring to?
  • [10:33:24] <jkridner> your omap-as-platform comment to sakoman.
  • [10:33:33] <koen> ah
  • [10:33:36] <koen> that was a typo
  • [10:33:43] <koen> mcbsp-as-platform-device
  • [10:33:47] <koen> linux-omap mailinglist
  • [10:33:59] <koen> another reason not to IRC at 3am :)
  • [10:34:15] <jkridner> ah. that makes more sense. I didn't figure that omap was a new platform to linux-omap git tree. ;)
  • [10:34:45] <koen> sakoman is basing his alsa work on top of that patchset
  • [10:35:14] <jkridner> denix|work: are you up too? just saw an e-mail.
  • [10:36:00] <jkridner> denix|work: messages from non-subscribers are moderated, so you'll want to send from the same address as you used to subscribe.
  • [10:36:52] <jkridner> I tried to make some additional comments about OTG vs. Host: http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/f0b08e401438da44/0d4160d56fab8192?hl=en#0d4160d56fab8192
  • [10:38:39] <koen> jkridner: http://amethyst.openembedded.net/~koen/beagleboard/uImage.leds-nodvi
  • [10:39:02] <koen> that has led support, but DVI is disabled to get it to boot more often
  • [10:39:05] <jkridner> nodvi? why would I want to run an image w/o DVI?
  • [10:39:15] <koen> you have leds now to look at ;)
  • [10:39:37] <jkridner> oh. that issue needs to be squashed.
  • [10:39:40] <koen> with DVI enabled you need 40 boots or so to get one succesfull entry into userspace
  • [10:40:59] <jkridner> but it works with the 2.6.22 kernel every time for me. how do we move beyond this?
  • [10:41:15] <koen> I suspect it's an initialisation problem
  • [10:41:16] <jkridner> is this about twl4030 docs?
  • [10:41:22] <koen> or masking problems
  • [10:41:29] <koen> I'm nut sure if it's TWL related
  • [10:41:36] <koen> s/nut/not/
  • [10:41:53] <suihkulokki> relaxen und watched der blinkenlichten
  • [10:42:08] <jkridner> :)
  • [10:42:09] <koen> we indeed have a problem with the TWL, but lets not blame everything on that :)
  • [10:43:14] <jkridner> you just need to figure out how to follow that TI Extranet link that I gave you by mistake. :)
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  • [10:44:40] <koen> jkridner: cable based detection works great with the git kernel
  • [10:44:51] <jkridner> great!
  • [10:44:54] <koen> it "Just Works (TM)"
  • [10:45:29] <jkridner> the 2.6.22 I've been running is menuconfiged for RNDIS and doesn't seem to switch automatically.
  • [10:45:41] <jkridner> RNDIS gadget, that is.
  • [10:45:52] <koen> the defconfig I use is hardwired for rndis as gadget as well
  • [10:46:03] <koen> but if you plugin the host cable it will do the right thing
  • [10:46:31] <jkridner> I was trying to go in the direction of getting netconsole going over the RNDIS and eliminating the serial cable. That is one thing that looks very non-hopeful for Rev.B.
  • [10:46:33] <koen> With the idnt multi-endpoint patch we could even load multiple client gadgets
  • [10:47:01] <koen> indt, that is
  • [10:47:07] <jkridner> interesting. must be something I did or something after 2.6.22.
  • [10:47:48] <koen> http://linux.omap.com/pipermail/linux-omap-open-source/2007-February/009009.html
  • [10:47:49] <jkridner> that would be handy, but I think WinXP support for composite devices is still poor.
  • [10:47:54] <koen> I heard about it at bossa last year
  • [10:48:54] <koen> anyway, time to head for the local Subway
  • [10:48:55] <jkridner> would be very nice to have USBNET (RNDIS) and USBTTY (Serial) at the same time, and maybe even MSC or MTP.
  • [10:49:13] <jkridner> for food or travel? (captitalization)
  • [11:17:14] * Crofton|work suspects food
  • [11:17:40] <Crofton|work> Even though koen lives in the Dutch highlands, I suspect a subway would be underwater :)
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  • [12:25:13] <jkridner> just replied to http://nchip.livejournal.com/11966.html?view=24766#t24766
  • [13:01:14] <sakoman> gm
  • [13:04:01] <jkridner> gm
  • [13:04:09] <jkridner> found this interesting in my morning reading: http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/mediadefender_behind_attack_on_revision3.php
  • [13:04:48] <jkridner> they think that a legitimate service that uses bittorrent as distribution was attacked by a service that is meant to attack pirates.
  • [13:06:30] <jkridner> some speculation is that Rev3 was seeding pirate torrents, but I have doubts on both sides. It'll be interesting. FBI involved.
  • [13:12:30] <sakoman> I think I resolved the u-boot nand write.jffs2 issue I had yesterday. Just booted from nand
  • [13:12:53] <jkridner> great!
  • [13:13:03] <sakoman> Not a nice clean boot though -- I have mtd debuggin turned up all the way so it is incredibly noisey
  • [13:13:14] <jkridner> do you have a blog or anything like that?
  • [13:13:26] <jkridner> I'd love to share some of the traffic of OMAP interested people your way.
  • [13:13:27] <sakoman> And my rootfs doesn't match my kernel rev, so I need to rebuild it
  • [13:13:44] <jkridner> word of mouth is starting to spread. (website hits are ramping)
  • [13:13:46] <sakoman> No time for blogging!
  • [13:14:03] <sakoman> But I should -- maybe would be good for business :-)
  • [13:14:24] <jkridner> guess I've become more of a PR guy than developer these days. :-|
  • [13:14:44] <jkridner> (though not an official PR guy, in case anyone gets the wrong idea.)
  • [13:15:09] <Crofton> jkridner, think of it as community builiding
  • [13:15:13] <sakoman> Just finished a contract with one client, so I have to start going into PR mode too to keep the pipeline filled
  • [13:15:30] <jkridner> Crofton: that is *exactly* how I think of it.
  • [13:16:17] <jkridner> I believe OMAP experience should be able to fill your pipeline. :)
  • [13:16:34] <sakoman> Hope so!
  • [13:16:52] <Crofton> TI is making it easier for people to do OMAP work
  • [13:17:10] <sakoman> Definitely!
  • [13:17:25] <jkridner> thanks!
  • [13:17:45] <Crofton> at least for the little guys
  • [13:18:02] <jkridner> lots of gaps still, I know, but getting there.
  • [13:18:22] <jkridner> well, if the little guys can manage, big guys should be better off as well.
  • [13:18:23] <sakoman> You guys have been totally great. Support is almost as good as I got from vendors when I was at Apple ;-)
  • [13:18:45] <jkridner> btw, the touchscreen thing hasn't fallen off the radar.
  • [13:19:20] <jkridner> PSP 0.9.7 has been done, but it is still going through the publishing pipe.
  • [13:19:42] <sakoman> It's not a big issue to me -- the touchscreen hw on my paying gig is totally different
  • [13:20:01] <sakoman> Just wanted to call it to your attention
  • [13:20:04] <jkridner> supposedly there is a patch that improves touchscreen performance, but it is understood the noise is not suitable for default configs.
  • [13:20:53] <jkridner> well, we are continuing to push on it.
  • [13:21:20] <sakoman> good idea -- you want to make a good first impression with the EVM
  • [13:21:50] <jkridner> additional caps haven't made much improvement. looking at other filtering possibilities.
  • [13:22:03] <sakoman> With the ts_lib filter hacks it is at least possible to use the onscreen keyboard
  • [13:22:32] <sakoman> but drawing programs and rosetta handwriting recognition suffer pretty badly :-)
  • [13:22:54] <sakoman> Drawing look like you have Parkinsons!
  • [13:23:31] <jkridner> newer kernel mods should make it better, but the problem is clearly recognized now. some attention to the issue was delayed due to observation of good on-screen keyboard in WinCE.
  • [13:23:42] <jkridner> apparently WinCE has a pretty good jitter algorithm.
  • [13:24:18] <sakoman> Yeah -- lots of folks have issues with their ts hw. Seems it is hard to get it right
  • [13:25:37] <sakoman> Crofton: I need to stop living on the bleeding edge of OE.dev
  • [13:25:43] <Crofton> heh
  • [13:26:01] <sakoman> Seems like every time I pull/update I get bitten by some new issue :-(
  • [13:26:11] <Crofton> we need to talk about making a stable branch based of the packaged staging stuff
  • [13:26:30] <sakoman> yeah, I've been pondering the need for that
  • [13:26:33] <Crofton> someone pushed a bad fix for init tam fs' yesterday
  • [13:26:40] <sakoman> current stable is too old
  • [13:26:41] <Crofton> RP just fixed it
  • [13:26:50] <sakoman> yeah, I got bitten
  • [13:27:00] <sakoman> it's killing my productivity
  • [13:27:20] <sakoman> gives me more time to read u-boot code though I guess
  • [13:27:39] <Crofton> its all about having a good task queue
  • [13:27:57] <Crofton> at the moment my productivity is horrible
  • [13:28:07] <Crofton> because I can't type much
  • [13:28:28] <sakoman> no more mountain biking for you!
  • [13:28:43] <Crofton> road biking
  • [13:28:53] <sakoman> ok, that too
  • [13:28:58] <Crofton> actually, I need to go buy new gloves and try riding
  • [13:29:12] <sakoman> get right back on the horse, eh?
  • [13:29:17] <Crofton> heh
  • [13:29:22] <Crofton> I rode home after wrecking
  • [13:29:36] <Crofton> I need the exercise
  • [13:29:52] <Crofton> the question is does my arm soreness get aggravated by riding
  • [13:30:04] <Crofton> my nurse friend suspect tendonitis
  • [13:30:05] <sakoman> I've mostly ridden on trails so I've never gotten road rash that bad
  • [13:30:44] <Crofton> gpsbabel wouldn't dump my track
  • [13:30:56] <Crofton> I need to hook it up to windows and make a screen shot
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  • [15:38:33] <koen> jkridner: btw, you can play a decent sized video in x-windows using mplayer on the beagle
  • [15:38:58] <koen> (for future demos)
  • [15:39:31] <koen> DSP acceleration would be even neater, but the current situation is quite ok :)
  • [15:40:44] <GAN8001> On that note, what's the word on PowerVR and/or IVA2 in Beagle's future (as an N800 owner that got burned on those two points)?
  • [15:48:30] <BThompson> currently those features are not available from TI in general, but both have software in development so I would expect them to be supported in the coming months, I am assuming that once they are available on the EVM board they will be available for Beagle jkridner could comment on that...
  • [15:50:24] <GAN8001> OK, thanks. What about robbing the Pandora drivers/libraries if they get it going?
  • [15:52:40] <GAN8001> That's one route I'm hoping might be workable for the N900 (assuming it's actually an OMAP34xx) if Nokia fails to provide drivers/libraries again.
  • [15:54:25] <koen> I suspect the evm will have the stuff before pandora
  • [15:54:44] <koen> but then again, BSPs don;t get updated very often
  • [15:56:09] <Crofton|work> koen, how do I enable usb host mode on the musb port?
  • [15:57:13] <BThompson> im not that familiar with the N800 so I couldnt say what it has in it or what it can or can't do, but if it has a 3530 class processor (one with graphics and IVA) than any driver software for the EVM or Beagle or Pandora should work since that hardware is all internal to the part
  • [15:59:13] <koen> Crofton|work: build a kernel from .dev :)
  • [15:59:14] <GAN8001> N800 is OMAP2420
  • [15:59:28] <GAN8001> We're not getting drivers any time soon. ;)
  • [15:59:46] <BThompson> yea if thats the case your only hope is probably going to be Nokia
  • [15:59:54] <koen> Crofton|work: and then stick in a mini-A to A cable, attach that to a hub and attach stuff to the hub
  • [15:59:55] <GAN8001> Right, but I'm thinking N900
  • [16:00:05] <GAN8001> or whatever Nokia's OMAP34xx tablet will be.
  • [16:01:35] <koen> Crofton|work: basically "it Just Works(TM)"
  • [16:10:06] <Crofton|work> ok
  • [16:10:14] <Crofton|work> I wasn't sure what the default in .dev is
  • [16:10:17] <Crofton|work> I am building atm
  • [16:11:27] <Crofton|work> gps track from wreck uploading
  • [16:13:24] <Crofton|work> http://www.flickr.com/photos/32615155@N00/2539129140/
  • [16:36:56] <koen> Crofton|work: http://gpsvisualizer.com/
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  • [16:42:02] <Crofton|work> the problem I'm having is getting the data from the gps
  • [16:42:13] <koen> gpsbabel?
  • [16:42:18] <Crofton|work> gpbabel is supposed to work, but I haven't figured it out yet