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  • [06:26:51] <Crofton> koen, does the current OE build run?
  • [06:57:30] <koen> Crofton: it should
  • [07:09:52] <Crofton> great
  • [07:09:58] <Crofton> I'll try and slip in a run today
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  • [07:48:50] <koen> I wonder if the beagle can do http://ohlssonvox.8k.com/fdd_raid.htm
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  • [08:56:51] <ldesnogu> hello
  • [09:30:16] <koen> hey ldesnogu
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  • [10:10:21] <ldesnogu> my approach of understanding kernel memory management by looking at the sources is mostly a failure :)
  • [10:10:56] <koen> heh
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  • [10:11:19] <ldesnogu> I have probable answers to my questions but nothing is usre
  • [10:11:25] <ldesnogu> sure*
  • [10:22:30] <koen> heh, gcc csl has a broken sysroot implementation
  • [10:22:36] * koen adds some more symlinks
  • [10:22:56] <ldesnogu> what is missing?
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  • [10:57:40] <koen> dunno, it fails to find libs inside its sysroot
  • [10:57:54] <koen> crti.o and libc.so for example
  • [10:58:01] <ldesnogu> uh?
  • [10:58:18] <ldesnogu> I never had any issue when cross-compiling to find crti
  • [10:58:46] <ldesnogu> is that one you recompiled using OE?
  • [11:01:49] <ldesnogu> TI have updated their EVM kernel sources it seems
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  • [11:24:03] <koen> 2.6.22
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  • [14:20:07] <jkridner|work> hi all. I'm curious about the requirements of those doing development for the SGX. Is anyone familiar with the architecture enough to comment on what driver support is required to integrate into whatever windowing systems you need?
  • [14:20:38] <jkridner|work> is support for fbdev in the kernel enough? is Xkdrive integration enough?
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  • [14:28:23] <koen> SGX?
  • [14:29:00] <koen> ah, PowerVR SGX 530 2D/3D Graphics Accelerato
  • [14:29:34] <koen> jkridner: having 2d accel in the kernel fb driver would be nice
  • [14:29:56] <Crofton> gm
  • [14:30:00] <koen> jkridner: but having support in Xorg (in the form of kdrive) would be even nicer :)
  • [14:30:06] <koen> hey Crofton
  • [14:30:16] <Crofton> koen, .dev didn't boot this AM
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  • [14:30:25] <Crofton> kernel oops in fb code I think
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  • [14:30:37] <Crofton> and yeah, I'm speaking in about 5 minutes
  • [14:30:54] <Crofton> a pox on wireless access that uses winodws vpn crap
  • [14:32:37] <koen> Crofton: keep rebooting
  • [14:32:56] <koen> the oops goes away after a while
  • [14:33:03] <Crofton> heh
  • [14:33:04] <koen> so as usual I'll blame the TWL :)
  • [14:33:04] <Crofton> ok
  • [14:33:07] <Crofton> right
  • [14:33:17] <Crofton> I'll use .22 then :)
  • [14:33:34] <Crofton> although after I talk, I can pay more attention
  • [14:33:46] <Crofton> and I think I have access to a real wirelss network
  • [14:33:49] <koen> stupid GCC_NO_EXECUTABLES
  • [14:33:55] <Crofton> so I should be able to work the rest of the week
  • [14:34:07] <Crofton> except for all the drinking Guiness
  • [14:34:20] <Crofton> fortuneatly, Guiness is not like Belgian beer
  • [14:35:05] <koen> tried guinness red yet?
  • [14:35:10] <Crofton> no
  • [14:35:14] <Crofton> What is that?
  • [14:35:34] <koen> my description is "1/2 guinness + 1/2 water"
  • [14:35:46] <koen> dunno what guinness marketing claims it is :)
  • [14:38:04] <koen> http://www.guinness.com/gb_en/guinness_red/
  • [14:40:03] <Crofton> we went to the Guiness Brewery yesterday
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  • [14:42:51] <koen> Crofton: you should already be speaking for 6 minutes :)
  • [14:42:57] <Crofton> well
  • [14:43:03] <Crofton> we are beind schedule
  • [14:46:31] <koen> jkridner|work: are the specs for the SGX open?
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  • [14:46:42] <koen> jkridner|work: or will we need a binary blob?
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  • [14:47:35] <jkridner|work> koen: mostly binary blob.
  • [14:47:49] <jkridner|work> the kernel portions will need to be GPLv2.
  • [14:48:02] <koen> jkridner|work: like nvidia, so it can we 'relinked' against newer X versions?
  • [14:50:45] <jkridner|work> I'm not sure how nvidia accomplishes that.
  • [14:50:45] <jkridner|work> I'm wanting to make sure all the right requirements are in place.
  • [14:50:48] <jkridner|work> there will be some binary blob, as Imagination is keeping some things hidden.
  • [14:51:03] <jkridner|work> I just want to make sure that the right interfaces exist to the binary blob.
  • [14:51:25] <koen> right
  • [14:51:38] <koen> I have no problem with blobs as long as the shim is sane
  • [14:52:02] <jkridner|work> so, what is the right test condition or request to ensure that various window managers can be linked?
  • [14:52:04] <koen> not the "only works with kernel 2.4.22 and glibc 2.0" type of blobs
  • [14:52:16] <jkridner|work> sorry, windowing servers, not managers.
  • [14:53:46] <jkridner|work> so, I'm trying to identify the right people who can say what that is. I believe the kernel dependency is fairly straight, since kernel sources will need to be provided.
  • [14:54:08] <jkridner|work> glibc, Xorg, etc. dependencies are tougher.
  • [14:54:19] <koen> let me see if I can find a X dude you can talk with
  • [14:54:34] <koen> (an X dude that knows about arm and embedded, that is)
  • [14:54:56] <jkridner|work> right. and a bit of 3D would be a bonus.
  • [14:55:16] <koen> I know o-hand is doing a lot of work on EGL
  • [14:55:38] <koen> and they did work on kdrive for iwmmxt and wrote the smedia xserver for openmoko
  • [14:57:00] <koen> jkridner|work: send a mail to richard@o-hand.com or /query RP
  • [14:57:15] <koen> jkridner|work: he did work on MBX (the SGX predecessor)
  • [15:02:09] <ldesnogu> jkridner|work: in an ideal world it would be great if the OpenGL ES library worked with both X and FB
  • [15:02:50] <ldesnogu> my understanding is that this only impacts the EGL part of the library
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  • [15:14:06] <Crofton> survived
  • [15:15:05] <Crofton> now they are making fun of me becuase I could n't eject a USB drive on windows
  • [15:15:28] <Crofton> me and the guy after me are the Linux dudes
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  • [15:20:47] <ldesnogu> you should be proud of being unable to use Windows :)
  • [15:23:17] <Crofton> I am
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  • [15:38:30] <koen> Crofton: any slides online?
  • [15:39:12] <Crofton> not yet :)
  • [15:39:18] <Crofton> I'll let you know
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  • [15:52:22] <koen> If I had a penny for everytime I tried to build gcc
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  • [15:59:55] <Crofton> ahhhm A slide with the word "Ontology" on it
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