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  • [14:56:49] <slava> does beagle support any of the bsds?
  • [14:56:56] <slava> if so, i'm curious as to what is used instead of inotify
  • [14:59:38] <DJWillis> slava: I am not aware of any BSD's running on the OMAP3 currently
  • [15:00:53] <slava> wait, i'm in the wrong channel...
  • [15:01:19] <slava> sorry
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  • [15:02:15] <DJWillis> Another Mozilla Beagle user leaves the chan ;-)
  • [15:02:41] * ali_as_ grins
  • [15:06:21] <ali_as_> DJ, do you happen to know why a fast ethernet wasn't part of the design?
  • [15:06:49] <ali_as_> Just that a usb to ethernet dongle was considered 'good enough' or?
  • [15:08:14] <DJWillis> ali_as_: Afraid I have no idea, my guess would be cost and design considerations. jkridner should know but he is not about at the moment IIRC
  • [15:08:15] <BThompson> minimizing cost, in respect to OMAP/Beagle
  • [15:08:30] <DJWillis> ^^ What he said :)
  • [15:09:19] <ali_as_> Nods. Thats a shame, but it could still be a useful board.
  • [15:10:06] <BThompson> OMAP doesnt have on board EMAC because it was not deemed necessary enough for the intended application to endure the extra cost on the silicon, for Beagle it was not included also due to cost, because alternatives (USB) areavailable, you would have to have an external EMAC which would add a lot to the EVM cost/size
  • [15:10:59] <BThompson> lack of an EMAC was one of the things I was suprised about myself :-/
  • [15:11:39] <ali_as_> The Marvell chips have 1Gbit ethernet I think, and 500Mhz is not too shabby.
  • [15:12:47] <ali_as_> The Cortex A8 has taken a surprising long time to apear.
  • [15:13:19] <DJWillis> Not supprised about it not being on the EVM but was a little supprised a chip was not added to the Beagle design. Still, I guess in OMAP circles a WiFi IC is more common then Wired Ethernet
  • [15:13:56] <BThompson> yea, OMAP fits in more wireless applications :)
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  • [15:43:25] <prpplague> i find the same question gets asked about our s3c24xx boards
  • [15:43:38] <prpplague> which to me is odd, since the boards are designed for mobile devices
  • [15:44:32] <prpplague> i intend on using the beagle to test mobile functionality of cortex-a8, so having a wired ethernet integrated doesn't really have any value, imho
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  • [15:50:05] <prpplague> jkridne1: greetings
  • [15:50:34] <jkridne1> prpplague: howdy!
  • [15:50:46] <jkridne1> What have I been missing? :)
  • [15:50:48] <prpplague> jkridne1: how goes it?
  • [15:50:50] <jkridne1> I feel so out of touch.
  • [15:51:07] <jkridne1> pretty well, just getting ready for meetings today.
  • [15:51:08] <prpplague> jkridne1: me too, net is out at the house, bad storms this week
  • [15:51:17] <jkridne1> won't be around long.
  • [15:51:19] <prpplague> jkridne1: yea meeting day here as well
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  • [17:00:59] <Crofton> gm
  • [17:18:46] <Crofton> well, it is good for dev
  • [17:18:55] <Crofton> scroll
  • [17:20:01] <Crofton> on the wired ethernet I am interested, in OMAP3 for SDR apps, and it is useful to have wired ethernet
  • [17:20:25] <Crofton> but, beagle will do 90% of what I want for 10% of the price
  • [17:20:57] <Crofton> if people get interested in this for SDR, hopefully a board vendor can make a board oriented to SDR.
  • [17:26:06] <NishanthMenon> folks: i had a bloke who enabled NDIS gadget driver and got his laptop talking network to beagle over USB
  • [17:26:28] <NishanthMenon> actually mounted NFS filesystem from what i heard..
  • [17:26:46] <NishanthMenon> s/NDIS/RNDIS/
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  • [18:10:27] <dirk2> Any idea of how large the internal RAM of OMAP3 on BeagleBoard is? I.e. do we have enough space to download a complete u-boot via USB or serial?
  • [18:15:27] <dirk2> Or which spruxx.pdf has this? ;)
  • [18:15:40] <prpplague> dirk2: generally speaking the the TCR for arm processors is 4k , 16k or 32k, with 16k being the more common
  • [18:16:53] <dirk2> TCR == TCM? TCM == TightlyCoupledMemory
  • [18:23:30] <prpplague> dirk2: yea, for some reason the samsung docs always refer to it as TCR so i tend to use their nomenclature
  • [18:27:19] <dirk2> prpplague: Any insider news about eLinux server? I wonder if it is possible to somehow access the server manually, get our BeagleBoard page and put it on old server as long as the new is down...
  • [18:27:42] <prpplague> dirk2: yea, turns out the server vm was today
  • [18:27:45] <prpplague> toast
  • [18:27:57] <prpplague> dirk2: we lost about a months worths of pages
  • [18:28:04] <prpplague> dirk2: its a mess
  • [18:28:15] <prpplague> dirk2: very disappointed with the server management
  • [18:29:57] <dirk2> :( so better I should start to recreate the Beagle page on old server? I can use http://beagleboard.org/hardware as starting point.
  • [18:33:16] <BThompson> dirk2: the OMAP3503 has a 32k L1 cache, 256k L2 cache and 64k on board RAM
  • [18:33:25] <BThompson> I dont think it uses TCM with the cortex
  • [18:34:13] <dirk2> 64k is nice! But I think not really sufficent for whole uboot ;)
  • [18:38:56] <ali_as_> Not seeing much of an advantage to using a bootloader entirely inside the chip ram.
  • [18:47:24] <prpplague> BThompson: oh thats nice
  • [18:47:33] <prpplague> dirk2: plenty for apex
  • [18:55:47] <ds2> is it true there are no opening orderable OMAP3 boards at the moment? beagle is not ready; Zoom seems also be not ready
  • [19:00:22] <BThompson> the Mistral EVM is orderable through distribution http://focus.ti.com/docs/toolsw/folders/print/tmdxevm3503.html however there is a considerable lead time at the moment
  • [19:05:21] <Crofton> prpplague, do you know if wmat has figured out how reolve the elinux.org problem long term?
  • [19:05:34] <Crofton> I thought we had done it, but it seems not ...
  • [19:05:47] <prpplague> Crofton: which problem do you refer to ?
  • [19:05:57] <Crofton> the backup issue
  • [19:06:55] <prpplague> Crofton: yea, TimB has begun making arrangments to daily backup the elinux.org site to the mirror.celinuxforum.org server
  • [19:07:06] <prpplague> Crofton: along with making a backup server available
  • [19:07:21] <Crofton> ok
  • [19:07:26] <Crofton> that sounds good
  • [19:10:32] <dirk2> yes, if we get our BeagleBoard page back ;)
  • [19:11:39] <prpplague> dirk2: all the data for the last 30 days was lost
  • [19:13:46] <ds2> hmm
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  • [21:28:35] <Crofton> gm
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