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  • [00:16:18] <shevek> I wanted to mmap /dev/mem to write to memory mapped i/o for setting pinmux. On the BB-Black that didn't work. So I used the P*_pinmux files in /sys/. Now on the BB-Green those files do not seem to be available anymore. How am I supposed to set the pinmux values?
  • [00:22:00] <veremit> read zmatt's spreadsheet :D
  • [00:22:03] <zmatt> GenTooMan: well, if you're segregating code into two latency tiers (irq and main code) then it may also make sense to segregate it into three or more tiers, though some careful analysis should be done
  • [00:23:11] <zmatt> GenTooMan: conversely, if no code has particularly low latency requirements, having a single tier may make sense; this is what I currently have in my baremetal tests (irqs disabled, mainloop consists of WFI followed by call to irq dispatcher)
  • [00:23:17] <shevek> veremit: I that was directed at me, do you have a link?
  • [00:23:38] * veremit points to zmatt ..right there :D
  • [00:23:51] <veremit> zmatt: shevek .. needs your pinmux
  • [00:24:20] <veremit> shevek: it sounds like you had some odd distro to have things like that in it
  • [00:24:21] <zmatt> shevek: pinmux is specified via devicetree, either the main device tree or an overlay loaded via configfs (kernel 4.x) or bone_capemgr
  • [00:24:46] <zmatt> veremit: or (makes gestures of disgust) cape-universal
  • [00:25:00] <veremit> zmatt: of what?!
  • [00:25:01] <shevek> zmatt: I want to be able to set most pins to input, output or pru output.
  • [00:25:11] <veremit> easily done in DT
  • [00:25:28] <shevek> I don't want fixed bindings; I need the user of my program to change things on the fly.
  • [00:25:46] <shevek> Last time I tried to write a DT for that, it seemed very hard.
  • [00:26:07] <zmatt> bonescript generates and loads device tree overlays on the fly I think, but it's non-trivial indeed
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  • [00:26:24] <veremit> that does seem like a perfectly reasonable thing to do ..
  • [00:26:28] <zmatt> note that gpio is the default of non-muxed pins, so you can just export them via sysfs and set their direction
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  • [00:26:35] <veremit> and I could imagine the kernel is really clunky about it
  • [00:26:48] <zmatt> you can in fact also just change pinmux directly via /dev/mem
  • [00:26:49] <veremit> zmatt: thats not a bad plan
  • [00:26:55] <shevek> Yes, that works; I'm trying to get the pru outputs to work at the moment.
  • [00:27:11] <shevek> zmatt: No, I tried. The kernel refuses to change anything when I write there.
  • [00:27:17] <zmatt> https://github.com/dutchanddutch/jbang/
  • [00:27:55] <shevek> If that would work, it would be perfect; that would also be a lot faster than traversing the filesystem.
  • [00:27:57] <zmatt> this is a little program I wrote for the bbb that meddles directly with pinmux
  • [00:28:05] <zmatt> (also directly with PRCM and GPIO)
  • [00:28:30] <zmatt> the thing about the control module is that it ignores unprivileged writes
  • [00:28:46] <zmatt> this I solved as follows: https://github.com/dutchanddutch/jbang/blob/master/src/hw-subarctic.cc#L17
  • [00:29:16] <zmatt> ^_^
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  • [00:30:54] <zmatt> (actual implementation of the trick is in privileged.h in same dir)
  • [00:32:15] <shevek> Ah, that's what I was looking for. Thanks!
  • [00:32:30] <zmatt> beware that this trick may cease to work some day
  • [00:32:44] <zmatt> technically I'd consider it to be a bug in the kernel
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  • [00:36:07] <shevek> zmatt: Yes, that makes sense. But what would be a proper way? Write a module that does it? If I map /dev/mem as root, I expect to have full control.
  • [00:36:41] <zmatt> the latter point is why I said "technically" rather than actually reporting it as a bug :P
  • [00:37:11] <zmatt> if an evildoing program runs as root and can open /dev/mem you're pretty hosed anyway
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  • [00:38:43] <shevek> Indeed.
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  • [00:43:14] <zmatt> I was slightly worried when CONFIG_CPU_SW_DOMAIN_PAN was introduced (default y), but curiously it does not (currently) seem to depend on CONFIG_CPU_USE_DOMAINS
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  • [00:49:18] <zmatt> as for the proper way, using DT is the only proper way and ensures the kernel knows about what's going on (and avoids conflicts)
  • [00:50:06] <zmatt> if you want that but easier, there's... I suppose... always still the possibility of using, ehm, ew, cape-universal
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  • [00:50:47] <shevek> I think I did that on the black, but it seems to have stopped working on the green. I probably did something wrong there. But I much prefer using /dev/mem anyway.
  • [00:51:05] <zmatt> well for that, see jbang :)
  • [00:51:29] <zmatt> and if you need to know the indices / mux values, my spreadsheet ( https://goo.gl/Jkcg0w )
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  • [00:52:16] <zmatt> (the three orange-marked tabs are BBB-specific, though BBG is basically the same)
  • [00:52:35] <shevek> I already have all those things figured out, but thanks.
  • [00:52:51] <zmatt> okay :)
  • [00:53:57] <shevek> This one looks very nice though, I think I'll keep it. :-)
  • [00:54:01] <zmatt> hehe
  • [00:54:20] <zmatt> it's a composite of a lot of info sources
  • [00:55:53] <shevek> Yes, I know the sources, I've been reading them as well.
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  • [00:56:55] <zmatt> (note the BBB sheet actually still some columns hidden to avoid clutter, things like power domain and boundary scan register bits)
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  • [00:57:59] <zmatt> here in the office the P9/P8 tabs are used most often (typically as printouts)
  • [01:00:35] <zmatt> (apologies for occasionally using eye-stabbing colors for pins that have special constraints)
  • [01:01:01] <shevek> Haha, no problem.
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  • [01:44:06] <Set_> Hey Yo...do we use "apititude update" now instead of "apt get update"?
  • [01:44:39] <zmatt> apt update, apt-get update, aptitude update ... they all have basically the same result (except aptitude is slower)
  • [01:44:58] <Set_> oh...thank you Mr. Zmatt.
  • [01:45:27] <Set_> I never used to use the "-" b/t apt and get.
  • [01:45:42] <Set_> I always typed in "apt get update."
  • [01:46:09] <Set_> So, I need to type in apt-get update and not apt get update. Right?
  • [01:46:18] <zmatt> it
  • [01:46:20] <zmatt> it
  • [01:46:21] <zmatt> argh]
  • [01:46:35] <zmatt> it's always been apt-get update
  • [01:46:45] <Set_> Oh. Man, my damn memory is terrible.
  • [01:46:46] <Set_> Sorry.
  • [01:47:06] <Set_> I am on break and it is time to update. Thank you again zmatt.
  • [01:47:11] <zmatt> apt is a wrapper to apt-get and apt-cache meant to be slightly user-friendlier
  • [01:47:18] <zmatt> apt update will work too
  • [01:47:49] <Set_> Cool beans. Thank you again.
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  • [01:55:53] <Set_> okay...I got problems. I cannot upgrade. I am getting asked a question. It states, "Unable to lock the administrative directory, is another process using it?"
  • [01:55:56] <Set_> Please send guidance.
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  • [01:59:13] <GenTooMan> Not sure what directory it's talking about. You are using debian linux on the BBB?
  • [01:59:21] <Set_> Yea.
  • [01:59:44] <veremit> are you root?
  • [01:59:58] <Set_> Yea.
  • [02:00:06] <veremit> sounds like apt is unhappy
  • [02:00:18] <Set_> I fixed it.
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  • [02:00:28] <zmatt> then it usually means you have another apt/apt-get/aptitude in progress somewhere (left open in another terminal?)
  • [02:00:37] <Set_> I just unplugged the BBB and plugged it in again. Bam! It works.
  • [02:00:49] <veremit> lol NIIIIICE
  • [02:00:54] <Set_> Yep!
  • [02:01:03] <veremit> that's not gonna do it any harm .. lol
  • [02:01:17] <zmatt> next time consider 'reboot' instead :P
  • [02:01:18] <GenTooMan> That's like hitting it in the head though.
  • [02:01:23] <Set_> Good idea!
  • [02:01:26] <Set_> I panicked.
  • [02:01:30] <zmatt> lol
  • [02:01:38] <veremit> GenTooMan, zmatt .. no .. banging it hard on the desk would be better
  • [02:01:44] <Set_> I usually type shutdown -h now.
  • [02:01:46] <zmatt> good point
  • [02:01:56] <GenTooMan> Beagle Bone Black abuse!
  • [02:02:03] <veremit> GenTooMan+1
  • [02:02:18] <Set_> That is me! Bang and Bash.
  • [02:02:26] <Set_> No pun intended.
  • [02:02:30] <zmatt> GenTooMan: you know there's always i2c-0 and the ability to request voltage changes from the pmic...
  • [02:03:15] <GenTooMan> zmatt So you can use the i2c bus to turn the power off in an application for shutdown?
  • [02:05:03] <zmatt> sure thing, just write 0 to register 0x01 (PPATH)
  • [02:06:27] <zmatt> that will get you a nice clean shutdown, probably looking something like http://elinux.org/File:Bbb-c-3v3u-powercut-hdmi.png
  • [02:07:01] <zmatt> ;)
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  • [02:09:37] <Set_> Do you fellows remember me looking to find a 12-pin JTAG (two row)?
  • [02:10:27] <zmatt> 12-pin ? the header on the BBB is 20-pin
  • [02:10:38] <GenTooMan> Standard JTAG is 20pin
  • [02:10:42] <Set_> I know...this is for another device.
  • [02:10:53] <Set_> It is not a standard type of "thang."
  • [02:10:54] <zmatt> GenTooMan: "standard" ...
  • [02:11:24] <zmatt> GenTooMan: ARM standard? newer ARM standard? TI standard? older TI standard? ;P
  • [02:11:39] <GenTooMan> I've heard of 14 but not 12. TI is 14
  • [02:11:50] <zmatt> TI is 20 usually nowadays
  • [02:11:56] <Set_> I know...this where the complication lies.
  • [02:11:57] <zmatt> (as on BBB)
  • [02:12:17] <Set_> It is near impossible. I will have to make one.
  • [02:12:18] <zmatt> http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/JTAG_Connectors
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  • [02:12:51] <Set_> zmatt: What 'dat my friend?
  • [02:13:37] <Set_> Nevermind. I will go and look.
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  • [02:14:55] <GenTooMan> Well JTAG never technically had a standard then users of the JTAG interface did "weird stuff"
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  • [02:16:04] <Set_> Some people use USB to JTAG.
  • [02:16:07] <zmatt> JTAG was also never really meant for debugging but for boundary scan
  • [02:17:00] <GenTooMan> So they use it for programming debugging AND boundary scan. No problem ... really.
  • [02:17:31] <Set_> I saw this JTAG device and it had 10, two-row configuration.
  • [02:17:36] <Set_> Man...I was so close.
  • [02:18:21] <Set_> I gave up to try and situate some wires myself.
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  • [02:22:05] <GenTooMan> Well programming an programmable logic device with JTAG probably requires some "extra" things. JTAG programming of all devices requires a driver for each device. Kind of nuts that no one bothered to 'create' a standard for any of that.
  • [02:22:59] <shevek> GenTooMan: I think they wanted to keep implementing it in the chips as simple as possible. This way, programming can be done in a way that fits the design, whatever the design is.
  • [02:23:59] <zmatt> and there are standards to describe how e.g. fpga/cpld programming should be performed
  • [02:24:35] <zmatt> using an extended bsdl file containing programming sequences
  • [02:24:58] <zmatt> (IEEE 1532)
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  • [02:28:12] <Set_> upgrade is giving me trouble with some "stuff" named connman.
  • [02:29:16] <Set_> I guess it is stuck. Dang!
  • [02:30:36] <Set_> It says installing new version of config file /etc/init.d/connman ...
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  • [02:30:56] <Set_> Should I wait?
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  • [02:32:24] <GenTooMan> zmatt that will do it :D
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  • [02:35:44] <Set_> Usually my BBG is a bit quicker. I have waited for five minutes and nothing.
  • [02:36:09] <shevek> Set_: Try pressing space and see if it still responds. If not, you lost your connection. In that case, press the power button to power it down, then again to power it back up and reconnect. Run dpkg --configure --pending to resume the installation.
  • [02:36:54] <Set_> Okay...I did not lose power. My LEDs are blinking and my connections states on via PuTTY.
  • [02:37:19] <Set_> Glitch.
  • [02:37:29] <shevek> Set_: Yes, but I don't know what connman does, but it sounds like it might mess with your connection. ;-)
  • [02:37:45] <Set_> You are right. It just sent me offline.
  • [02:37:54] <Set_> I will redo it.
  • [02:38:54] <veremit> heh that doesn't surprise me lol .. any connection manager unless you Ban your active connection .. will surely break it
  • [02:39:50] <Set_> The update worked but the upgrade gave me trouble.
  • [02:40:18] <zmatt> veremit: systemd-networkd has never broken my connection just because I changed a config file (or even restart the daemon)
  • [02:40:30] <shevek> Set_: Update is never a problem. That just downloads which packages are available.
  • [02:40:40] <veremit> oh you and your friend poettering zmatt :p
  • [02:40:46] <zmatt> lol
  • [02:40:59] <shevek> Huh, Poettering has friends? :-p
  • [02:41:03] <veremit> I'm sure he wipes you $ss too
  • [02:41:26] <veremit> shevek: apparently
  • [02:41:30] <zmatt> veremit: apparently he's also responsible for avahi, that's reason enough to not be my friend :P
  • [02:41:36] <veremit> yikes .. avahi
  • [02:41:42] <Set_> Damn man...I cannot get back online.
  • [02:41:44] <veremit> and zeroconf?
  • [02:41:44] <Set_> Boo!
  • [02:41:48] <veremit> and all that fun?
  • [02:42:04] <shevek> Set_: Did you reboot the device?
  • [02:42:41] <zmatt> veremit: at least the mDNS code
  • [02:43:00] <Set_> Nope...I just powered down and plugged it back in.
  • [02:43:11] <veremit> but but . its poettering .. it must be Good and it must Be.
  • [02:43:11] <shevek> Zeroconf is designed by Apple AFAIK. Avahi is just an implementation for it.
  • [02:43:21] <Set_> I am using Cloud 9 now.
  • [02:43:25] <Set_> It works for now.
  • [02:43:26] <shevek> Set_: That means "yes". ;-)
  • [02:43:31] <Set_> Oh!
  • [02:44:19] <Set_> I see there are some packages that are no longer required. Is that a custom?
  • [02:44:32] <Set_> Some stay and some go?
  • [02:45:28] <Set_> It tells me to use apt-get autoremove to remove those packages.
  • [02:45:31] <Set_> Should I do that?
  • [02:45:40] <Set_> Heh?
  • [02:46:07] <GenTooMan> I suspect the less you do the better.
  • [02:46:13] <Set_> Hhahaha. Good idea!
  • [02:46:50] <Set_> I use to say, "I can Do-EEEEE!" Now...I say, "I do not Do-EEEE!"
  • [02:47:10] <Set_> Sorry.
  • [02:47:51] <GenTooMan> Could be worse I guess.
  • [02:48:09] <zmatt> if you're suddenly running openbsd, something went wrong somewhere
  • [02:48:34] <Set_> Yep.
  • [02:49:44] <GenTooMan> All that just to blink an LED Set_ geesh.
  • [02:50:12] <Set_> Yep...I got a half-bot so far.
  • [02:50:24] <Set_> I got too much hardware so far and not enough software.
  • [02:50:28] <Set_> I am still working.
  • [02:50:52] <Set_> Hardware = easy-peasey, George Leweasy.
  • [02:51:06] <Set_> software = damn it, not again
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  • [03:58:07] <Set_> Oop da loop. Got to go. See you persons-peoples later. Have a good night.
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  • [04:06:12] * veremit shakes head(s)
  • [04:06:28] <yates> i'm confused about the first "export DISK=/dev/mmcblk0" here: https://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBone+Black#BeagleBoneBlack-SetupmicroSDcard
  • [04:06:55] <yates> is mmcblk0 just the sdcard reader device?
  • [04:07:13] <veremit> yes .. or it often appears as /dev/sdX too
  • [04:07:33] <veremit> depends, I have USB adapters
  • [04:07:36] <yates> it's just that, on a typical desktop system (e.g., Fedora), they show up as /dev/sdX
  • [04:07:43] <yates> ah.
  • [04:07:45] <veremit> I think native sd card readers come up as mmcblk ..
  • [04:07:55] <yates> you mean ones built-in to the computer?
  • [04:08:03] <veremit> he's got two sections in that 'blob' you should see.
  • [04:08:07] <veremit> quite possibly
  • [04:08:35] <veremit> its an either/or for whichever comes up onyour pc
  • [04:08:45] <zmatt> my laptop's built-in card reader shows up as mmcblk
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  • [04:09:13] <veremit> so .. there you go .. mystery solved
  • [04:09:33] <yates> yes.
  • [04:09:35] <veremit> one'll be mass storage .. the other .. mmc.
  • [04:10:30] <zmatt> if they appear as sd then they're imitating an SCSI disk (commonly tunneled over USB as defined by the USB mass storage class)
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  • [04:12:05] <yates> i also don't understand the subsequent steps where he appears to be copying both MLO and u-boot.img to the sdcard. but which partition? he hasn't even formatted it yet.
  • [04:12:18] <yates> (partition(s)?)
  • [04:13:00] <zmatt> yates: see README of https://github.com/mvduin/bbb-asm-demo
  • [04:13:02] <yates> is there a good guide on how what files and partitions linux wants to see on the .img?
  • [04:13:06] <zmatt> specifically "raw mmc boot"
  • [04:13:07] <yates> ha ha!
  • [04:13:20] <yates> read my mind.
  • [04:13:35] <veremit> ewww raw mmc .. eww eww .. I Agree with RN on this one
  • [04:13:56] <veremit> you don't just dd random binary blobs to random places on a disk (whether they truely are random or not...)
  • [04:14:02] <zmatt> veremit: well RN does
  • [04:14:09] <veremit> no he doesn't.
  • [04:14:12] <veremit> he patched uboot
  • [04:14:17] <zmatt> in all recent images he does
  • [04:14:22] <veremit> well .. ok perhaps there is still One blob
  • [04:14:45] <yates> who's this dude mvduin? :)
  • [04:15:20] <zmatt> lol
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  • [04:23:49] <zmatt> yates: beware that u-boot produces a file named "MLO" that's actually a concatenation of the raw MMC header, padded to 512 bytes, and the *actual* MLO
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  • [04:25:49] <yates> good to know, thanks matt.
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  • [04:26:35] <zmatt> inspecting the file with hexdump -C allows one to easily tell the two apart
  • [04:26:54] <lllr> I am new to beaglebone black.I have accidentally formatted emmc os image.When I try to reflash it through windows desktop my laptop couldnt recognize BBB
  • [04:27:11] <lllr> I have installed all the drivers also
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  • [04:29:12] <yates> zmatt: so you mean it has the partition table + the mlo?
  • [04:29:19] <zmatt> no
  • [04:29:49] <zmatt> although raw mmc header and partition table *can* coexist, for some reason they don't in any standard images for the bbb
  • [04:30:06] <zmatt> instead the raw header is put at the second possible location, sector 256
  • [04:30:21] <zmatt> (hence MLO starts at sector 257)
  • [04:30:27] <yates> oh. is that the reason for the seek=1?
  • [04:31:34] <zmatt> beware the bs=128k ... that's the unit in which count and seek is expressed (replacing the default of 512 bytes)
  • [04:31:48] <zmatt> so count=1 actually becomes sector 256
  • [04:32:11] <zmatt> and this "MLO" will actually be raw mmc header + MLO
  • [04:32:21] <zmatt> since otherwise these instructions would not work
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  • [04:37:58] <zmatt> http://gerbil.xs4all.nl/bbb-emmc-layout.txt
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  • [04:40:06] <zmatt> except for the location where ROM looks for raw mmc header + MLO, the offsets for various things are all defined in u-boot compile-time variables, hence could be subject to change
  • [04:40:41] <yates> excellent info.
  • [04:41:11] <yates> perhaps this will save me a few hours of scratching my head wondering why my img doesn't boot...
  • [04:42:10] <zmatt> the fact that u-boot spits out a file named "MLO" but having a raw mmc header is really foul, since for booting using a DOS partition you need a file named exactly "MLO" that does _not_ have that header
  • [04:42:51] <yates> no argument that this whole procedure is very confusing.
  • [04:44:05] <yates> what is this "falcon uImage"? never heard of "falcon"
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  • [04:44:32] <zmatt> there's a README about falcon in u-boot's doc dir
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  • [04:50:37] <yates> ok
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  • [05:01:26] <veremit> llr. download a new OS image from the official site, write a uSD card, hold the 'boot' button next to the SD card while you power up, you will re-flash your beagle
  • [05:02:08] <veremit> I recommend this page ... http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack_Debian#2015-11-03 .. the 'flasher' image will reprogram your eMMC
  • [05:02:35] <veremit> check whether you've got a revC board then you can use the 4Gb image .. otherwise use the 2Gb one
  • [05:03:04] <veremit> seriously av500, etc .. we need a !faq bot in here :P
  • [05:04:27] <zmatt> you may want to use the 2gb version even if you have a rev C, to flash less crap and have more free space
  • [05:04:42] <veremit> depends if you want chromium I guess :p
  • [05:04:44] <zmatt> (also faster download, less time to flash, etc)
  • [05:05:15] <veremit> you still on dial-up zmatt!? :P
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  • [05:07:03] <yates> is MLO less than or equal to 512 bytes in size?
  • [05:08:17] <yates> otherwise the "count=1" would put stuff up above sector 257
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  • [05:08:51] <zmatt> yates: MLO is less than or equal to 109 KB
  • [05:08:58] <yates> oh, wait.
  • [05:09:57] <yates> so the raw mmc header pluse the actual MLO is less than or equal to 109 kB?
  • [05:10:13] <zmatt> no, I mean the actual MLO
  • [05:10:57] <veremit> you have to miss the partition table
  • [05:11:09] <veremit> and I'm not sure mmc has an MBR does it ..
  • [05:11:26] <veremit> can't do ..
  • [05:11:43] <zmatt> specifically, the memory range into which MLO is uploaded is 0x402f0400 - 0x4030b800
  • [05:11:50] <veremit> thats why you have al the other crap lol
  • [05:12:03] <zmatt> veremit: what on earth are you trying to communicate? :P
  • [05:12:06] <veremit> ok I'm gonna grab a short nap :/ catchya later
  • [05:12:14] <veremit> zmatt: rambling out loud
  • [05:12:16] <zmatt> nite nite
  • [05:12:20] <veremit> morning :p
  • [05:12:35] <yates> i think i'll call it a night too.
  • [05:13:14] <yates> good nite folks.
  • [05:13:17] * yates waves
  • [05:13:18] <zmatt> yates: to be really specific, 109 KB is the max size of the image loaded by ROM
  • [05:13:22] <zmatt> MLO = 8 bytes + that
  • [05:13:29] <zmatt> good night
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  • [06:22:11] <BeagleRed> Hi
  • [06:22:25] <BeagleRed> Is there sonebody?
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  • [07:08:51] <gyscos> Thanks! I was holding the wrong button <_<
  • [07:09:42] <gyscos> Now I'm trying to access the PRU, but I don't have a `/sys/devices/bone.capemgr.9` directory
  • [07:11:29] <gyscos> I'm running linux 4.4.0
  • [07:11:53] <gyscos> Running `find /sys/devices -name 'bone_capemgr*'` only gives:
  • [07:11:57] <gyscos> `/sys/devices/platform/bone_capemgr`
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  • [07:13:01] <gyscos> But if I try `echo BB-BONE-PRU-01 > /sys/devices/platform/bone_capemgr/slots` I get "echo: write error: no such file or directory"
  • [07:13:19] <gyscos> Has the way to access the PRU changed?
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  • [07:27:45] <tbr> gyscos: yes
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  • [07:28:13] <tbr> gyscos: also cape manager seems to have changed a bit
  • [07:29:28] <gyscos> I see. Do you know where I could get up-to-date documentations?
  • [07:29:54] <gyscos> Most guides/posts online seem to refer to the old methods
  • [07:36:37] <gyscos> tbr: I found http://www.thing-printer.com/cape-manager-is-back-baby/, looks promising, reading now.
  • [07:39:16] <tbr> good
  • [07:39:26] <tbr> I sadly don't have much info myself
  • [07:41:05] <zmatt> there also a new mechanism via configfs
  • [07:41:32] <zmatt> so you don't have to abuse capemgr anymore to load cape-unrelated overlays (hence don't have to put nonsense cape metadata in the overlay)
  • [07:42:58] <zmatt> though I never use either really, I prefer static DTs
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  • [07:47:09] <gyscos> I see... Indeed, for now, I don't have any cape, and just want to use the PRU.
  • [07:48:08] <gyscos> Hmm, echo'ing something into /sys/devices/platform/bone_capemgr/slots appears to work, it's just that BB-BONE-PRU-01 is not a valid value
  • [07:51:22] <zmatt> iirc it will try to load /lib/firmware/BB-BONE-PRU-01-00A0.dtbo (the 00A0 being the revision of the "cape")
  • [07:53:49] <gyscos> Aah, so that's what it does
  • [07:54:46] <gyscos> indeed, I have nothing related to the PRU here :-/
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  • [08:03:13] <zmatt> which image are you using?
  • [08:03:46] <zmatt> actually nm since I can'
  • [08:04:50] <zmatt> t really give useful advice here regardless of which image you're using :P
  • [08:05:50] <gyscos> I'm using an Archlinux ARM image
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  • [08:07:27] <gyscos> It seems the `linux-firmware` package does not include the BB-BONE-PRU dtbo file :-S
  • [08:08:18] <gyscos> scratch that, the other BB-BONE files are owned by the kernel package itself
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  • [08:13:09] <gyscos> Maybe it means the PRU is enabled by default, and doesn't need a separate device tree blob?
  • [08:13:16] <gyscos> How would I check that?
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  • [08:19:18] <djidan> Hello
  • [08:20:03] <djidan> I'm the guy having problem booting the latest image on BBW (the same SD card works perfectly on BBB)
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  • [08:25:07] <tbr> djidan: check the serial console output
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  • [09:08:14] <lilCodie> anyone know of a touch screen the same size and compatible with the pi zero or something of similar size?? if so let me know both please, i want to set one up with bluetooth, wifi, and maybe RFID/NFC and a touch screen so it can be a controller for a door lock - which can be interfaced to with a cellphone or NFC/RFID/bluetooth keyfob/token/beacon
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  • [09:19:18] <tbr> a) pi* is off topic here
  • [09:19:46] <tbr> b) I hope you're not planning to put all the electronics on the outside, that would be plain stupid
  • [09:20:07] <tbr> c) there are plenty of small SPI displays, no touch on those though
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  • [09:26:42] <djidan> tbr: Here is my boot log : http://pastebin.com/WXuv6Xzm
  • [09:30:36] <tbr> djidan: interesting. it seems to hang for 90s and then continue
  • [09:30:45] <tbr> djidan: does this happen with earlier images?
  • [09:33:39] <zmatt> lol @ "irq 187: nobody cared"
  • [09:33:52] <zmatt> question is, is that an intc irq number or a linux-invented one
  • [09:34:00] <zmatt> wait nm, intc doesn't go higher than 127
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  • [09:36:28] <zmatt> clearly something is going quite wrong in the tps65217 driver
  • [09:38:24] <djidan> it happened with the november image in latest-images as well
  • [09:39:08] <djidan> and after those messages, all the BBW's lights go off (even the ethernet ones) and the BBW goes radio silent
  • [09:40:03] <lilCodie> tbr - i said anything of similar size
  • [09:40:13] <lilCodie> was just using pi zero as size reference
  • [09:40:43] <zmatt> djidan: does the problem also occur with a non-rt kernel?
  • [09:41:11] <lilCodie> looking for SOC package and screen arround the same size pretty much
  • [09:41:18] <djidan> zmatt: what do you mean ?
  • [09:41:44] <zmatt> djidan: well you're using an RT kernel right now (4.1.15-ti-rt-r40)
  • [09:42:14] <djidan> That's the one included in the image, I didn't try to change it
  • [09:42:33] <zmatt> ok weird, rcn defaulting to rt nowadays?
  • [09:42:46] <lilCodie> and tbr - looking to build some sort of enclosure so it would be like a normal door lock - just with a screen and NFC/RFID area
  • [09:42:58] <zmatt> try booting it up on the BBB and apt-get install linux-image-4.1.15-ti-r42
  • [09:43:04] <djidan> I don't know if there are Jesse images for BBW using another kernel
  • [09:43:17] <tbr> lilCodie: still. NEVER put the logic on the outside
  • [09:43:23] <djidan> zmatt: OK, I'll try that
  • [09:43:38] <lilCodie> the logic wouldnt be - it would be on the inside of the door with cables running through a hole
  • [09:44:15] <lilCodie> basically want it to be able to drive a solenoid or door strike or something similar
  • [09:45:01] <tbr> querying the web search engine of my least distrust for "spi touchscreen" immediately yields: https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-2-dot-8-color-tft-touchscreen-breakout-v2/spi-wiring
  • [09:47:36] <lilCodie> tbr- still too big of a screen IMO - want something to be able to display some symbols/numbers/letters and a red or green background to display authentication status - that way the symbols/or characters can change order so someone cant tell what area of the screen corosponds to what symbol as it randomizes each time its lit up
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  • [09:50:13] <tbr> lilCodie: if you go much smaller it becomes pretty much impossible to operate by humans. you should try and print some mockups to get a feeling for size
  • [09:51:19] <lilCodie> basically want it 4 keyboard keys wide - by 1.5 tall approx - if i had to use an arbitrary means of measurment i have on hand
  • [09:51:38] <lilCodie> (standard keyboard)
  • [09:52:04] <lilCodie> basically small rectangular display
  • [09:54:04] <samael> is there a way to get decimal numbers with i2cget(1) readings? I can't find it
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  • [09:57:41] <tbr> 43.2×57.6 mm is already pretty damn small in my book, especially if you draw keys on it.
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  • [10:03:40] <lilCodie> i know - just not looking for more then 4-6~ or so symbols - when they put the 1st 4+in the right order can always load another set of them - want the door lock enclosure and screen to be as small as possible so its not something the size of a pi2 logic board ontop of the handle since im guessing between the display, and NFC board, plastic/metal enclosure +
  • [10:03:40] <lilCodie> wires itll be pretty big allready
  • [10:03:46] <tbr> there are smaller SPI screens. not sure if touchscreens
  • [10:04:35] <tbr> if you are looking for something elongated, try one of those matrix LCD screens
  • [10:04:54] <tbr> but you'll need to place physical buttons next to that
  • [10:05:14] <tbr> or figure out a way to overlay a custom touch surface
  • [10:05:30] <lilCodie> debating just going with LEDs w/ a difuser and buttons since itll probably handle the cold better
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  • [10:06:31] <lilCodie> or something like the skywriter gesture sensor pi hat thingy
  • [10:06:41] <tbr> or go for buttons with integrated OLED displays
  • [10:06:58] <tbr> think OPTIMUS by art lebedev
  • [10:08:30] <lilCodie> http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus/mini-three/ could work
  • [10:11:03] <tbr> https://www.adafruit.com/products/661 and some capacitive touch surfaces
  • [10:13:30] <lilCodie> that intrigues me
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  • [10:17:45] <lilCodie> since its ok to be stored at 0c~ should be ok if its properly sealed for condensation - could also put a tiny resistive heater cloth in it to keep everything a lil warm when its cold out
  • [10:20:38] <lilCodie> ipod nano 5th gen screen looks ok too would just need buttons of some sort or a capacitive touch layer
  • [10:21:41] <lilCodie> its 2.2-inch
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  • [10:24:07] <tbr> http://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?SearchText=capacitive+button
  • [10:25:15] <tbr> I have one of those TTP224 things for playing around. you could obviously use metal foil pads inside a plastic casing to create touch surfaces
  • [10:25:38] <djidan> zmatt : that seems to work ! I'll run some more tests, but thanks a lot
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  • [10:44:28] <zmatt> djidan: ok, that probably means the tps65217 driver is badly written
  • [10:44:31] <zmatt> which makes sense, since it is
  • [10:45:20] <zmatt> RT kernels have a tendency to expose sloppy driver programming
  • [11:01:38] <tbr> why would a RT TI kernel be default?
  • [11:01:51] <zmatt> ask rcn
  • [11:02:12] <tbr> yeah
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  • [15:37:32] <Renato> Hi all, my beaglebone black has just arrived, and i never worked with this
  • [15:38:23] <Renato> i need to change the debian image to angstrom image, i followed the steps but it didn`t worked
  • [15:38:50] <veremit> why do you need to change the image to angstrom - it's no longer supported ..
  • [15:39:29] <veremit> Even if it was .. its much harder to work with, unless you're familiar with embedded tools
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  • [15:40:35] <Renato> i have a project done with the comands for angstron
  • [15:40:42] <Renato> just because it
  • [15:41:06] <Renato> i don`t know how change the comands, this is my first project
  • [15:41:42] <Renato> have some way to change it
  • [15:41:43] <Renato> ?
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  • [15:43:29] <veremit> well.. the old images are at http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/ if that's the way you wanna go
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  • [15:45:59] <Renato> I thought angstrom still had support, since they do not have, you know where I can find a way to change the language?
  • [15:46:24] <Renato> by the way thanks for the link
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  • [15:46:59] <veremit> I've never used angstrom myself .. but a few others here have
  • [15:47:50] <veremit> I've always taken the debian route on all my arm boards, chiefly thanks to RN's eewiki "linuxonarm" site
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  • [15:49:57] <veremit> depends what you're used to I guess
  • [15:50:01] <Renato> Veremit, thanks for your help!!! i will try to do my project on debian
  • [15:50:31] <veremit> its quite easy to use :)
  • [15:51:08] <Renato> i think that isn`t hard to change the language, now that i know that don`t have support, i will do this
  • [15:51:19] <Renato> thank you!
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  • [20:07:14] <matwey> hello, any news on x15?
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  • [20:10:28] <Bumsik> I think not yet....:(
  • [20:12:10] <matwey> It is sad(
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  • [20:40:22] <veremit> that's what happens when regulation governs what you do ... ;P its not all fun and games ..
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  • [22:29:58] <matrixboy> Hi.. does anyone know if beaagleboard offers "industrial temp certified" board or "industrial temp tested" or both?
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  • [22:33:33] <vagrantc> matrixboy: i vaguely recall one of the variants generally targetting that sort of thing...
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  • [22:37:51] <veremit> yes there is one . can't remember the vendor currently ..
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  • [22:39:00] <veremit> LMGTFY : https://specialcomp.com/beaglebone/
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  • [23:02:50] <Zephyr1138> What is the polarity for the 5v barrel connector?
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