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  • [00:01:10] <zmatt> ah incl VAT it may be right
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  • [00:01:43] <zmatt> wait usd or eur?
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  • [00:02:34] <Dumle29> usd
  • [00:02:45] <Dumle29> converted from dkk
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  • [00:04:08] <zmatt> then it looks like we paid more, or would have if we had to pay VAT :P
  • [00:04:17] <Dumle29> heh, ok :P
  • [00:04:29] <Dumle29> i guess I can't complain then. Just a bit out of my pricerange
  • [00:04:48] <Dumle29> I'd really love to use one for my 3D printer, as my raspberry pi is struggling.
  • [00:05:16] <zmatt> I also thought it was cheaper
  • [00:05:16] <Dumle29> well, it's struggleing when I want it to serve video. the fact that the USBs and the ethernet are on the same, single USB port is bleeh
  • [00:05:34] <Dumle29> how does the beaglebone handle that?
  • [00:05:42] <Dumle29> is the ethernet native?
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  • [00:06:04] <zmatt> ethernet is native
  • [00:06:23] <zmatt> hmm, apparently the BBB launched at $45
  • [00:06:30] <zmatt> I wonder what happened to its price then
  • [00:06:56] <Dumle29> The rev C?
  • [00:07:47] <Dumle29> It's 55$ at adafruit
  • [00:07:50] <zmatt> ah yes
  • [00:07:57] <Dumle29> That's the US, do vendors list it with VAT there?
  • [00:08:14] <zmatt> probably yes
  • [00:08:18] <zmatt> dunno
  • [00:08:33] <Dumle29> ahh. more flash on the rev c
  • [00:08:37] <Dumle29> and comes with debian
  • [00:08:50] <zmatt> "comes with" is hardly relevant
  • [00:09:07] <zmatt> ah and it's excluding VAT... which makes sense since that'll vary
  • [00:09:49] <zmatt> but yeah I know it got more expensive over time due to flash and other reasons, but I thought it wasn't a big difference
  • [00:09:56] <zmatt> but if you add tax to that, it suddenly adds up
  • [00:10:54] <zmatt> note btw usb on the bbb isn't great, though I'm not sure if it's any worse than on the rpi
  • [00:11:58] <zmatt> but you do have native ethernet... sadly only 100 Mbps since they didn't put a gigabit PHY on it
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  • [00:16:41] <zmatt> though ds2 apparently managed to hack one onto it :P
  • [00:17:27] <zmatt> ds2: maybe you should make a kit for it (60 cm of wire to delay the clock included)
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  • [01:38:49] <zmatt> that's a damn big inductor... http://www.navy-radio.com/commsta/cutler/cutler-102.JPG
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  • [02:17:19] <GenTooMan> I heard about inductors like that used for low frequency high power transmitters.
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  • [02:24:26] <zmatt> yep, tuning coil
  • [02:25:01] <GenTooMan> So imagine adjusting that thing...
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  • [02:25:49] <zmatt> "Generally these failed in the winter and were hell to change."
  • [02:27:44] <zmatt> The helix has several taps that can be changed manually to provide coarse changes to the antenna tuning circuit. It is usually only necessary to change taps when changing frequency.
  • [02:28:00] <zmatt> 2 MW transmitter
  • [02:28:29] <zmatt> I guess you really don't want significant energy reflected back to the transmitter
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  • [02:35:30] <veremit> definitely not... that causes fires :p
  • [02:35:43] <veremit> and worse
  • [02:35:53] <veremit> rf burns worse
  • [02:36:45] <zmatt> strange desk... http://www.navy-radio.com/commsta/cutler/naa-qst-3.JPG
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  • [02:37:33] <veremit> I invested in a multi-band HF transceiver before christmas .. valve output stage :) 250W
  • [02:37:55] <veremit> And a tuning unit :P for same reason.
  • [02:37:59] <zmatt> standing inside a coax... http://www.navy-radio.com/commsta/cutler/naa-qst-4.JPG
  • [02:39:24] <veremit> musta been a lonely job .. lol
  • [02:42:38] <zmatt> the last project my dad worked on before he died was an auto-tuner, in cooperation with PA0LL who hand-makes tuners
  • [02:43:13] <zmatt> (which allowed the tuner to reside outside near the antenna and be controlled remotely)
  • [02:43:24] <veremit> auto-tuners are pretty cool .. the guy I bought this rig off has one
  • [02:43:36] <veremit> internal though
  • [02:44:48] <zmatt> veremit: link is a clip I found recently
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  • [02:45:07] <zmatt> project never finished unfortunately
  • [02:45:34] <veremit> damn
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  • [03:05:28] <GenTooMan> I imagine starting up those RF systems was ... interesting.
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  • [03:06:56] <zmatt> I don't think there's much "starting up" beyond making sure noone is in a hazardous place before you enable the transmitter
  • [03:07:08] <zmatt> they're not engines
  • [03:08:26] * GenTooMan grins "yes those 100kw tubes could go to 30mhz 70mhz if you downed the power a bit. Yeah the filament current was 200amps..."
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  • [03:10:04] <veremit> I think they probably had to "warm up" before you could 'strike' them .. and such.
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  • [03:13:07] <GenTooMan> well the shear scale of those things is just amazing.
  • [03:13:31] <veremit> my Dad was workin gon MW transmitters until a couple of years ago
  • [03:13:38] <veremit> as in mega-watt
  • [03:13:48] <veremit> you just have to take extra precautions lol
  • [03:14:18] <GenTooMan> don't stand in front of the transmission dish for one.
  • [03:14:33] <veremit> that's not so bad when its 00s of metres up :D
  • [03:16:16] <GenTooMan> veremit so on megawatt transmitters are they using klystron tubes?
  • [03:17:08] <veremit> yea someties
  • [03:19:43] <GenTooMan> so mostly still vacuum tube type technology (just on a big scale). Not surprising however because it's easier to make large tubes than transistors.
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  • [03:26:24] <veremit> yes for the analogue stuff .. don't think there's a lot of 'high power' digital here ..
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  • [03:33:07] <zmatt> the array of which I pasted images at least did FSK... they actually had some electronically controlled thingy that could slightly influence the tuning coil in tandem with the frequency shifts to ensure it would be correctly tuned at both frequencies
  • [03:33:34] <veremit> zmatt.. thats pretty mental!
  • [03:34:23] <zmatt> yeah pretty nifty, especially considering it's a pretty old array
  • [03:35:16] <zmatt> "saturable core reactor"
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  • [03:37:09] <zmatt> http://www.navy-radio.com/commsta/cutler.htm is the main page btw
  • [03:37:38] <Guest80476> hola alguien esta despierto
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  • [04:10:41] <yates> if data cache is disabled, what happens if a write to ddr3 sdram is too quick?
  • [04:10:54] <yates> do you get an exc_dabort?
  • [04:11:49] <yates> i should say, what happens if sequential writes to ddr3 sdram is too quick?
  • [04:11:54] <yates> are too quick..
  • [04:11:57] <yates> (sheesh)
  • [04:14:22] <yates> this would be in a simple, tight assembly loop doing something like "str r2, [r0, r1]; add r1, #-1; bne loop"
  • [04:21:51] <zmatt> yates: cpu stalls
  • [04:24:14] <zmatt> that loop will however cause a data abort if the memory type is device or strongly ordered (including the case of the MMU being disabled) since 3 out of 4 writes are misaligned
  • [04:24:55] <yates> oh, yeah. sloppy.
  • [04:25:04] <zmatt> also, I hope you meant "adds" instead of "add"
  • [04:25:12] <yates> yes.
  • [04:25:17] <yates> gotta have my flags
  • [04:26:04] <yates> which register controls the memory type?
  • [04:26:31] <yates> or is it a coprocessor?
  • [04:26:55] <yates> is that in the am335x trm? or the arm architecture reference manual? or where?
  • [04:27:17] <zmatt> your section translation table, which is a 16 KB table (one word per 1 MB of memory), the base address of which is configured into a cp15 register
  • [04:27:30] <yates> cool.
  • [04:27:42] <zmatt> I have an example of making such a table somewhere...
  • [04:27:58] <zmatt> https://community.arm.com/docs/DOC-10098
  • [04:28:22] <yates> danka.
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  • [04:29:22] <yates> so i found the gel script that does ddr3 tests in ccs and ran it.
  • [04:29:27] <yates> everything passed.
  • [04:30:02] <yates> does that make this a pointless exercise?
  • [04:30:18] <zmatt> means you can also run the proggie to determine optimal leveling
  • [04:30:56] <yates> huh? the "proggie"? you mean the gel file?
  • [04:31:11] <zmatt> http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/AM335x_DDR_PHY_register_configuration_for_DDR3_using_Software_Leveling
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  • [04:33:47] <yates> so why are you interested in doing an assembly version?
  • [04:34:07] <yates> of the initialization/test, that is?
  • [04:34:23] <zmatt> I'm not, I use C++
  • [04:35:02] <yates> you mean a baremetal c++ program?
  • [04:35:23] <zmatt> this is the only asm file in my own baremetal codebase: file:///home/dev/dd/barebone/start.S.html
  • [04:35:28] <zmatt> the rest is C++
  • [04:35:37] <zmatt> ehh
  • [04:35:50] <zmatt> http://gerbil.xs4all.nl/start.S.html
  • [04:35:55] <zmatt> sorry bout that :P
  • [04:36:29] <yates> what i'm trying to get at is why you are bothering with any baremetal program at all? why not just "trust" the linux / u-boot to initialize things?
  • [04:37:20] <yates> ok, so maybe you patch u-boot to use your leveling parameters, but still...
  • [04:38:00] <zmatt> I use my basemetal codebase currently mostly for small tests of how some peripheral or other aspect of the SoC behaves, which may be difficult to do when an OS is running
  • [04:38:23] <yates> also, to back up a bit, you feel the gel tests thoroughly exercise the ddr3?
  • [04:38:39] <zmatt> also, I reuse the same headers for doing I/O from userspace in linux
  • [04:38:47] <yates> i see.
  • [04:39:35] <zmatt> and once all the pieces are there I intend to replace u-boot by my own bootloader, but it doesn't have high priority
  • [04:40:27] <yates> do you feel the gel tests thoroughly exercise the ddr3?
  • [04:40:45] <zmatt> no idea, I've never looked at them, but it sounds unlikely
  • [04:41:04] <zmatt> since unavoidably they will consist of single transactions with huge delays between them
  • [04:41:49] <yates> i see. ok, thanks man.
  • [04:41:58] <yates> sure helps to have someone to bounce these questions off of.
  • [04:42:58] <zmatt> you're welcome
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  • [04:44:47] <zmatt> note that with MMU disabled you'll unavoidably get single transactions, and even if enabled it would be difficult to flood the memory controller if L2 cache is disabled, though it may be possible using Neon stores
  • [04:47:36] <yates> so is that going to be a good test? what's the alternative? enabling data L2 cache?
  • [04:47:45] <yates> i mean L2 cache?
  • [04:48:30] <yates> the goal of the test is to verify the layout is good.
  • [04:51:19] <zmatt> I'm not sure whether stress-testing is necessary, although it could be helpful. but you can just use the leveling program to get the optimal timing parameters for your board (as explained on the wiki page) and fill those into u-boot
  • [04:51:51] <zmatt> you can then run a memory test from u-boot (which does MMU/cache initialization for you)
  • [04:53:39] <zmatt> to genuinely confirm adequate signal integrity you'd also need to test in all process/voltage/temperature corners
  • [04:54:35] <zmatt> (which seems annoying as hell to set up to me)
  • [04:55:35] <yates> how do you run the memory test from u-boot? is it a flag you pass in Uenv.txt or somesuch?
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  • [04:55:59] <yates> i.e., as part of booting linux?
  • [04:56:13] <zmatt> so if the board meets the layout guidelines specified in the datasheet and there's no obvious problem, I'd assume all is fine
  • [04:56:16] <zmatt> eh
  • [04:56:24] <zmatt> I think u-boot has commands for it
  • [04:56:36] <zmatt> (which you can enter in its shell)
  • [04:57:05] <yates> ah.
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  • [09:10:46] <memic> hi
  • [09:12:37] <memic> i want to enable can0 but die pins are not available
  • [09:12:45] <memic> i habe seen solutions for kernel 3.8
  • [09:13:15] <memic> but in 4.1 there seems to be changes to the overlays
  • [09:13:18] <memic> pinctrl-single 44e10800.pinmux: pin 44e1097c.0 already requested by 4819c000.i2c; cannot claim for 481cc000.can
  • [09:13:32] <memic> how can i disable the i2c
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  • [09:14:10] <memic> there are so many dts file which could be relevant
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  • [09:30:48] <klogw> Hey! everyone. I'm a EE undergraduate looking forward to join contribute to beagleboard during the upcoming GSoC. Where should I start? Thanks
  • [09:32:00] <veremit> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard/GSoC
  • [09:33:48] <klogw> Thank you! anything else I need to know? Also what kind of skill set is expected from the applicant?
  • [09:34:13] <veremit> not sure besides what's on there
  • [09:35:26] <torpico> hey guys, I have connected my beaglebone black to my pc and use minicom for the stuff I want do in my bbBlack. an Ubuntu is installed in BBB. My problem is that minicom shows nothing to me. Is the problem the image I inserted in BBBlack SD or is it minicom problem. the only cable I use is the USB which power BBB and connect it to PC.
  • [09:35:47] <veremit> torpico .. be sure to turn OFF flow control :)
  • [09:35:51] <veremit> always a first gotcha
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  • [10:36:23] <torpico> veremit: how? may you explain? and is the USB TTL Serial Cable necessary?
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  • [10:40:12] <veremit> usb-ttl will give you a console no-matter-what if the beagle is powered
  • [10:40:41] <veremit> usb-mini-B client will give you mass-storage/disk and networking and console when its connected
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  • [11:16:29] <torpico> veremit: so TTL is not a necessary stuff. But the usb cable (which gives power too) do not show me any console when the bbb is powered on.
  • [11:16:43] <veremit> do you see stuff on the ttl cable?
  • [11:16:57] <torpico> veremit: I do not have that cable
  • [11:18:01] <torpico> veremit: my host OS (my PC) is fedora. and it show no sign of bbb connected
  • [11:19:44] <veremit> torpico .. I would suspect you don't have usb-gadget drivers available
  • [11:19:53] <veremit> do you see anything in 'dmesg' when the beagle connects?
  • [11:20:11] <torpico> veremit: NO
  • [11:20:43] <veremit> hmm thats not good .. and ou see flashing LEDs on the beagle?
  • [11:21:07] <torpico> USR0 and USR1 are light on
  • [11:21:22] <veremit> yours is abeaglebone-black yes?
  • [11:21:32] <torpico> they are on without blinking
  • [11:21:38] <torpico> yes bbBlack
  • [11:22:02] <veremit> you shuold have a heartbeat patter on the end led .. power led steady (by the dc jack) and flickering on one other
  • [11:23:12] <tbr> most likely stuck in u-boot or something
  • [11:23:13] <veremit> I think perhaps you should download a fresh image to a micro-SD card if that pattern doesn't come up
  • [11:23:24] <tbr> torpico: do you hold down S2 while you power up the board?
  • [11:24:06] <torpico> the boot button you mean?
  • [11:24:12] <tbr> yes
  • [11:24:17] <torpico> yes
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  • [11:26:39] <torpico> I changes the sd card now.USR0 is blinking, USR2 is blinking too with a different pace. USR1 blink very very slowly.
  • [11:27:01] <torpico> but again grep tty shows nothing
  • [11:27:01] <tbr> sounds like something is booting
  • [11:27:20] <veremit> it'll take a good 2/4 minutes to show Anything at all
  • [11:27:38] <veremit> because you need to wait for ttyACM0 to come up
  • [11:27:48] <veremit> so you won't grep anythin cos the node won't exist :)
  • [11:28:37] <torpico> good. then I will see that on minicom, yes?
  • [11:29:10] <torpico> or it will give me a terminal by itself?
  • [11:29:35] <veremit> no
  • [11:29:54] <veremit> you will have to watch for the node appearing , and then connect to it via minicom if you wish
  • [11:30:16] <veremit> you can probably use a command like 'watch -n5 ls /dev/ttyACM*'
  • [11:36:12] <torpico> veremit: thanks for guiding me through connecting minicom, Now can I ask you about Ubuntu images?
  • [11:36:47] <veremit> I'm not very familiar with ubuntu .. I'm usin debian in all my 'arms'
  • [11:36:52] <veremit> or gentoo for my desktop
  • [11:38:06] <torpico> ok, I ask maybe you could help me. in http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:Ubuntu_On_BeagleBone_Black they said download the image from here: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu then burne that image, put in in bbb, press the boot button. power bbb, now the ubuntu is installed (via sd card) but
  • [11:42:26] <torpico> in the other page which is http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu it is very complicated. Which image I should download? I downloaded the prebuild image for bbb and burned it to my SD card .I did none of the commands they wrote there. should I do the structures they wrote in that page
  • [11:43:08] <torpico> oh and I should say again grep tty shows nothing
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  • [11:44:33] <veremit> torpico: I can only apologise the documentation is at best inconsistent, and often out-of-date
  • [11:48:21] <veremit> torpico: let me see what I can digest ..
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  • [11:50:22] <veremit> torpico: I would start with .. http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#eMMC:_BeagleBone_Black.2FGreen
  • [11:51:44] <veremit> Notes:
  • [11:51:44] <veremit>
  • [11:51:44] <veremit> If only two LED's stay lit and nothing happens, the board has crashed due to lack of power. Retry with a 5Volt DC power supply connected.
  • [11:52:00] <veremit> This script will only take about 5-6 Minutes after power on.
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  • [12:02:23] <torpico> veremit: excuse me if I ask foolish questions, should I download prebuild image and then burn it on SDCard or should I only run the script?
  • [12:05:41] <veremit> download the image .. dont' worry about the script :) that's just RN gettin keen lol
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  • [12:50:27] <torpico> veremit: I burned the image in 2 different sdCards, but every time I boot it up it and 4 LED's blink a constant pattern which means the eMMC write has failed. where I made mistake?!!!
  • [12:50:48] <veremit> did you check the downloaded image?
  • [12:51:06] <torpico> yes. that was ok
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  • [12:59:00] <tbr> are you sure that this means flashing has failed?
  • [12:59:18] <veremit> tbr: documentation seems to suggest that
  • [12:59:23] <veremit> and without a debug cable .. we're lost.
  • [12:59:46] <torpico> tbr: Inthe page I sent it has written: If the 4 LED's blink a constant pattern, the eMMC write has failed. First REMOVE ALL capes, then retry again.
  • [12:59:49] <tbr> and the image doesn't load a g_serial module?
  • [13:00:09] <veremit> the ubuntu apparently has the usb ethernet ..
  • [13:00:24] <tbr> torpico: which revision is your BBB?
  • [13:00:25] <veremit> I would imagine if they're RN's images, they have the full composite gadget
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  • [13:21:41] <torpico> tbr: Rev B6
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  • [13:24:41] <torpico> veremit: veremit: I would imagine if they're RN's images, they have the full composite gadget what it means : p
  • [13:25:03] <veremit> torpico .. that was mroe intended for tbr
  • [13:30:48] <eliasbakken> I'm going to start having a look at the TDA19988 framer, and I'm in doubt as to whether or not I can simply copy parts of the code from the Linux driver and reuse it in u-boot?
  • [13:31:03] <veremit> eliasbakken: yeah, why not?!
  • [13:31:12] <eliasbakken> Is it OK as long as the copyright holder is intact?
  • [13:31:37] <veremit> oo now we're gettin into details lol
  • [13:31:48] <veremit> I haven't a clue
  • [13:32:24] <eliasbakken> I saw that there also exist a Minix driver, and they mentioned that it was OK to study the Linux driver, but not copy code from it.
  • [13:33:22] <eliasbakken> This is a bit beyond my open source knowledge, but I do not want to step on Rob Claks toes, since he is the author of the Linux driver.
  • [13:34:21] <eliasbakken> It's probably OK since he works for TI and it is in the interest of TI to have this driver ported to u-boot.
  • [13:47:58] <veremit> you may find you can't port the whole driver because of other dependencies
  • [13:52:06] <eliasbakken> Yeah, just looking for the minimal viable solution. No EDID for now.
  • [13:52:18] <eliasbakken> Or audio or anything...
  • [13:59:25] <veremit> framebuffer/uboot imageload fails?
  • [14:03:41] <tbr> torpico: then make sure the images are suitable for a 2GB emmc!
  • [14:04:22] <tbr> eliasbakken: what license is minix under?
  • [14:04:37] <tbr> eliasbakken: both u-boot and linux are under gplv2 IIRC
  • [14:06:02] <eliasbakken> tbr: I'm not sure about Minix, but it seems it is not compatibel with Linux: https://github.com/tcort/minix-i2c/tree/master/drivers/tda19988
  • [14:06:50] <eliasbakken> As is always the case,
  • [14:06:50] <eliasbakken> great care has to be taken to only study the code to learn the
  • [14:06:50] <eliasbakken> functionality of the chip and not reproduce/copy the code.
  • [14:07:02] <tbr> eliasbakken: https://github.com/tcort/minix-i2c/blob/master/LICENSE
  • [14:07:12] <tbr> it's one of the BSD licenses
  • [14:07:43] <tbr> and it's correct, you can't move GPL code into BSD code
  • [14:08:57] <eliasbakken> OK, but it's not a problem, I'll just use the Linux driver as a reference.
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  • [14:18:03] <tbr> eliasbakken: moving from the linux kernel to u-boot should be ok
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  • [14:26:31] <lucaItaly> hello, I have a problem. My board is the BeagleBone A6a. Yesterday I had loaded on the SD an debian image (found on the site). Everything worked well. Today I uploaded the same image on the sd, but the board has stopped working. The power LED is always on, while the user LEDs do not light . What can I do?
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  • [14:27:13] <tbr> lucaItaly: how do you power the board?
  • [14:29:53] <lucaItaly> I tried both usb computer and charger 5v 2A
  • [14:31:52] <torpico> veremit: tbr it seems I flashed the ubuntu image into the bbb correctly. I removed the sdcard and once again powered on the board without sdcard. USR1 and USR2 are blinking but dmesg | grep tty shows the same thng it alwayes show mw. there is no sign of BBB flash connection to my PC.
  • [14:32:50] <tbr> torpico: hook it up to ethernet and check your dhcp server if it gets an IPv4 address
  • [14:33:01] <tbr> or just check the ipv6 neighbors
  • [14:33:37] <torpico> tbr: what? how? what is the meaning of the things you said :p
  • [14:34:15] <tbr> no need to insult me about your own lack of knowledge...
  • [14:35:36] <torpico> tbr: oh, don't miss understand me, I did not mean to insult you, :P I am really newbie and also a little fool ;p
  • [14:35:50] <torpico> *misunderstand
  • [14:36:18] <tbr> then stop fucking using a smilie with a stuck out tongue all the fucking time
  • [14:36:28] <tbr> that's fucking insulting
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  • [14:37:06] <torpico> tbr: ok, don't get angry.
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  • [14:39:21] <torpico> dmesg | grep tty should work whenever we connect a USB device, right? when I connect my own USB it again shows me this:
  • [14:39:24] <torpico> dmesg | grep tty
  • [14:39:25] <torpico> [ 0.000000] console [tty0] enabled
  • [14:39:25] <torpico> [ 0.644207] 00:05: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4, base_baud = 115200) is a 16550A
  • [14:39:55] <torpico> exactly like the time no USB is connected.
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  • [14:43:19] <tbr> have you checked HDMI output? there might be a fbconsole
  • [14:44:14] <torpico> tbr: it seems for HDMI connection I should have a micro HDMI port which I do not have unfortunately
  • [14:44:54] <tbr> well, do you have a LAN? aka a router with Ethernet ports?
  • [14:46:16] <torpico> yes
  • [14:47:59] <torpico> so? what should I do with it?
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  • [14:52:08] <tbr> hook it up to the BBB and boot the BBB
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  • [14:52:37] <tbr> then check in your router if the BBB has requested an IP address. If your router has that option
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  • [15:11:25] <eliasbakken> On BBB, is the bootloader in the eMMC read first? So that adding an SD card will not override the bootloader?
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  • [15:13:22] <eliasbakken> Hold on, reading the boot chart now...
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  • [15:19:38] <tbr> eliasbakken: default boot order is eMMC and then some other things like UART and USB. if you hold S2 then it's microSD ... UART.. USB
  • [15:19:55] <tbr> for details see TRM/SRM
  • [15:20:14] <eliasbakken> Yeah, i read the fucking manual, and figured it out.
  • [15:20:30] <tbr> :)
  • [15:21:16] <tbr> older eMMC factory images had U-Boot configured in a way that it would load from eMMC, but then if there was an microSD it would continue booting from that
  • [15:21:35] <tbr> this started failing quickly, as it was not an intended way of working anyway
  • [15:22:05] <tbr> so if a BBB stopps booting when a microSD is inserted → update U-boot, or the whole eMMC image
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  • [16:07:55] <torpico> tbr: thanks for your helps. have as nice day
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  • [17:04:25] <zmatt> tbr: eMMC,μSD,uart,usb vs μSD,spi,usb,uart
  • [17:04:39] <zmatt> sorry,
  • [17:04:52] <zmatt> spi,μSD,usb,uart
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  • [17:08:26] <tbr> zmatt: right, just couldn't be arsed to look it up at that time. ;-)
  • [17:11:22] <zmatt> hehe, yeah I'm close to having repeated it enough to just know it... it's mostly the usb/uart order I forget, although I know they're swapped for the two
  • [17:11:53] <tbr> :D
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  • [17:38:49] <GenTooMan> tbr Is this a problem with the Uboot shiped with Rev B boards?
  • [17:39:21] <zmatt> I think all boards? the fix is pretty recent
  • [17:40:07] <zmatt> installing just a new u-boot isn't sufficient though, you also need to put an uuid=<filesystem uuid> line in your /boot/uEnv.txt
  • [17:40:47] <tbr> yes it's a u-boot/uEnv combination
  • [17:41:39] <GenTooMan> Ok I have 3 rev B boards so I guess I will need to fix all 3 as I intended to use test kernels in the SD slot and "normal" boot in the eMMC.
  • [17:42:44] <tbr> GenTooMan: you can ofc abuse this behaviour
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  • [18:14:48] <gardi> Hello, I am trying to get a TPLink TL-WN725N V1 to work on a beaglebone Rev A6A. Currently I have a 3.8.13-bone41 Kernel running. My first approach was to use a precompiled 8188eu.ko + firmware. I got the driver loaded, but no interface showed up. So I tried to compile the driver myself. Same result. Then I wanted to update to a new kernel and I used a mainline kernel with the bb.org_defconfig as it contains the driverin the staging f
  • [18:16:15] <gardi> but the kernel does not load, It stops at starting kernel .... So I tried the kernel from robert c martin (bb-kernel) with the same result. Any suggestion what would be the best approach to get the WN725n wifi running on the beaglebone ?
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  • [18:17:41] <gardi> well not from robert c martin but from robert nelson :)
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  • [18:30:31] <tbr> gardi: are you sure that device has a 8188eu chipset?
  • [18:34:55] <gardi> I used it also in a RPI and there I also used the rtl8188eu driver.
  • [18:37:03] <tbr> did you check dmesg output? did lsusb show it?
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  • [18:38:23] <gardi> Yes lsusb showed it and also dmesg showed that the driver was loaded (but it did not say anything about the firmware nor that it failed nor that it loaded it)
  • [18:39:34] <tbr> sounds like something is wrong then
  • [18:40:16] <tbr> have you tried one of the official debian images with a mainline kernel prebuilt?
  • [18:40:27] <tbr> does the stick need firmware?
  • [18:41:46] <gardi> I did not try an official debian image as I have got some work on the sd card and no other card available. Yes, the stick needs firmware
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  • [18:51:14] <gardi> root@beaglebone:~# lsusb Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0bda:8179 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
  • [18:53:38] <gardi> [ 3.314979] usb 1-1: default language 0x0409 [ 3.315179] usb 1-1: udev 2, busnum 1, minor = 1 [ 3.315202] usb 1-1: New USB device found, idVendor=0bda, idProduct=8179 [ 3.322332] usb 1-1: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3 [ 3.329866] usb 1-1: Product: 802.11n NIC [ 3.334109] usb 1-1: Manufacturer: Realtek [ 3.338442] usb 1-1: SerialNumber: 00E04C0001 [ 3.350325] usb 1-1: usb_probe_device
  • [18:54:31] <gardi> ation #1 chosen from 1 choice [ 3.350596] usb 1-1: adding 1-1:1.0 (config #1, interface 0) [ 3.351409] hub 1-0:1.0: state 7 ports 1 chg 0000 evt 0002 [ 3.351459] hub 1-0:1.0: port 1 enable change, status 00000503 [ 3.436729] udevd[91]: starting version 175 [ 5.213978] EXT4-fs (mmcblk0p2): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null) [ 6.829182] udevd[316]: starting version 175 [ 8.595919] r8188eu 1-1:1.
  • [18:55:05] <gardi> 6011] r8188eu 1-1:1.0: usb_probe_interface - got id [ 8.604628] Chip Version Info: CHIP_8188E_Normal_Chip_TSMC_D_CUT_1T1R_RomVer(0) [ 8.790201] EEPROM ID = 0x8129 [ 8.824554] usbcore: registered new interface driver r8188eu
  • [18:55:32] <gardi> well it is quite hard to post logs on irc?
  • [18:56:51] <gardi> This is the output of the 3.8.13-bone41 kernel and the problem is that I do not have an interface in ifconfig (no wlan0)
  • [18:57:04] <gardi> just lo and usb0
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  • [19:23:14] <eliasbakken> Ok, so I've implemented a minimal TDA19988 driver in u-boot. It appears as though there is data coming out of the HDMI plug, which is good, but no test-pattern on the screen yet.
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  • [19:29:46] <floss_lover> does the bbb require some closed source software/binary blobs to normaly run?
  • [19:31:24] <eliasbakken> Looking at the pixel clock, it appears as though the clock coming from the BBB is too low. I must have some problem with the LCD controller perhaps...
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  • [19:31:56] <eliasbakken> floss_lover: Only for the SGX engine.
  • [19:32:30] <floss_lover> eliasbakken: and this stands for what usage? GPU?
  • [19:32:41] <eliasbakken> Yes
  • [19:33:17] <floss_lover> eliasbakken: so i dont need it when not using hdmi or when vesa is fine?
  • [19:34:17] <eliasbakken> only for using the 3D engine.
  • [19:34:24] <eliasbakken> 2D is fine.
  • [19:36:23] <floss_lover> is this like the binary blob on amd/radeon cards when not installing the firmware files? its just slow, thats all?
  • [19:38:58] <floss_lover> other question: when i install a 2gb image on the 4gb memory, it boots just fine, right?
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  • [19:46:07] <eliasbakken> It should.
  • [19:47:06] <eliasbakken> Not sure what Radeon does when the firmware is missing.
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  • [19:47:40] <floss_lover> eliasbakken: it write in the dmesg that it cant find and the firmware and just works fine but not that fast
  • [19:48:47] <eliasbakken> I don't think the SGX complains about that during boot. It's perhaps the PRU?
  • [19:49:00] <eliasbakken> What is the message?
  • [19:49:22] <floss_lover> did i understand right, that i can just dd any bbb image that is been for a sd-card and that is smaller then 4gb into the internal eMMC and it just boots fine?
  • [19:50:43] <eliasbakken> It should just use the first 2GB worth of sectors, as far as I know.
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  • [19:52:24] <floss_lover> why are there so many people warning about writing something to eMMC and so on? It does not really matter because a bbb is not brickable thanks to the button to boot from sd-card. or am i missing something?
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  • [19:54:36] <eliasbakken> http://ahsoftware.de/Beaglebone_Black_Boot_explained.svg
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  • [19:58:47] <floss_lover> eliasbakken: thanks. i already had this in my head. So when i boot from external and then dd /dev/zero to the eMMC i can just copy u-boot to sd-card and boot again without any problems :)
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  • [20:32:08] <floss_lover> Are there some eMMC wearing out problems on the bbb?
  • [20:39:33] <tbr> haven't heard of any
  • [20:40:00] <tbr> ofc if you write continuously to it and stress it, it will break eventually
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  • [20:51:19] <floss_lover> tbr: ok. as i tought. thanks for the information. i dont have to worry then when
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  • [21:02:49] <eliasbakken> Ok, so I'm back to that pixel clock... From the TRF, the LCD_PCLK is derived from LCD_CLK which is 200MHz?
  • [21:03:18] <eliasbakken> So If I want a 25 MHz clock, i should use a divider of 8.
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  • [21:04:18] <eliasbakken> Ah... Hold on, the MAX frequency of that clock is 200MHz...
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  • [21:42:02] <eliasbakken> Ok, I have a big fat 25 MHz pixel clock on the BBB now, but the recovered clock on the screen is still not right... I think there must be some more settings on the TDA19988 missing, right?
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  • [23:40:09] <zmatt> you want a boot splash via HDMI?
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  • [23:42:54] <zmatt> eliasbakken: I thought you were just targeting an lcd cape? hdmi is a whoooole different story
  • [23:43:01] <zmatt> eliasbakken: also that boot chart is both confusing and wrong
  • [23:43:26] <eliasbakken> Well, I'm pretty close I think...
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  • [23:44:21] <zmatt> eliasbakken: hdmi requires significant interaction with the nearly-undocumented tda19988
  • [23:44:53] <zmatt> among other things to fix the sync signals of the lcdc into something that's actually VESA-compliant
  • [23:45:19] <eliasbakken> Hm...
  • [23:45:27] <eliasbakken> That might be what I'm seeing.
  • [23:45:29] <zmatt> plus you'd technically need to read EDID information to configure your timings
  • [23:45:44] <zmatt> though I guess you can try a standard "safe" mode and hope for the best
  • [23:45:46] <eliasbakken> Yeah, that's not really an issue.
  • [23:46:14] <eliasbakken> I only need this working for one particular display!
  • [23:47:15] <zmatt> but not the lcd cape you showed in previous pics?
  • [23:47:47] <zmatt> (which would not use the hdmi framer at all)
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