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  • [00:00:34] * Set by KotH!~attila@erica.kinali.ch on Wed Jul 15 13:55:07 UTC 2015
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  • [00:01:24] <veremit> I think the Pi folks have a lot more development resource ...
  • [00:01:59] <veremit> and its more of a graphical device .. the beagle is more focussed on IO ..
  • [00:02:27] <veremit> And the embedded real-time cores
  • [00:02:50] <veremit> That said, though, its good to be able to make use of all of the peripherals :]
  • [00:03:22] <dpitts_> Yeah. I love the BB and have written a few PRU projects.
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  • [01:38:37] <jumaro> hello everybody!!!
  • [01:39:27] <jumaro> Somebody know where I can download the gerber files, schematics & BOM for beagleboard?
  • [01:44:45] <jumaro> I found by myself https://github.com/beagleboard/beagleboard-x15
  • [01:44:54] <jumaro> good night guys!
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  • [04:44:19] <ReyFIUEC> Hi all. First time joining a chat like this. Currently reading Exploring BeagleBone, so I will likely be asking some questions in the near future.
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  • [05:07:57] <xer0x> There's a book for this?!
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  • [06:15:43] <ds2> wonder if most bone users are headless or head'ed
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  • [06:33:57] <Humpelstilzchen> does a tiny lcd count?
  • [06:43:14] <felon-> both
  • [06:43:19] <felon-> Humpelstilzchen: yeah!
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  • [07:00:41] <ds2> Humpelstilzchen: the I2C/SPI ones?
  • [07:00:57] <ds2> trying to understand why the OpenGL stuff isn't used more
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  • [07:50:22] <Humpelstilzchen> ds2: i2c indeed
  • [07:54:34] <ds2> for what I am looking at, that's headless
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  • [14:03:02] <Dtown> Having trouble with Audio on BBB, why is it only supported under certain video resolutions, and is there a way around this
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  • [14:04:15] * tbr suspects it to be a HDMI vs DVI thing
  • [14:04:38] <veremit> edid
  • [14:04:51] <veremit> oh no .. audio is to do with clocks and the framer iirc
  • [14:05:12] <veremit> you can use audio via mcasp if you need an alternative
  • [14:05:22] <veremit> or usb is probably cheap-/easiest
  • [14:05:46] <Dtown> Ok, via MCASP, but what if i want to use the onboard eMMc, won't there be conflicts?
  • [14:06:17] <veremit> I think there are two mcasps .. you'd need to check the pinmux tables.. and/or zmatt's spreadsheet
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  • [14:09:08] <veremit> I forget where that's posted .. unless zmatt is about ..
  • [14:11:06] <Dtown> looks like mcasp0 is conflicting with LCD lines, possibly mcasp1?
  • [14:11:31] <veremit> lcd are used for hdmi video :/ just beware!
  • [14:12:22] <Dtown> I am aware, I am trying to use the onboard HDMI and create my own audio cape,
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  • [14:12:54] <Dtown> ut it appears as though there are only limited video resolutions that can support audio, why that is idk
  • [14:12:55] <Ragnorok> ds2: Our will be headless with a tiny OLED.
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  • [14:14:48] <Dtown> Does anyone have experience running video with Circuit Co's audio cape?
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  • [14:34:49] <veremit> Dtown .. is it 'ok' for use with the Black variant?! :) just checking!
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  • [14:42:38] <veremit> rcn-ee .. are there any up-to-date instructions for opengl-es and sgx about?
  • [14:43:09] <Dtown> veremit, black variant?
  • [14:43:24] <rcn-ee> veremit, i cleaned up: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian#SGX_BeagleBone.2FBeagleBone_Black
  • [14:43:27] <veremit> beaglebone-black .. some capes aren't 'black' compatible because of the emmc
  • [14:43:35] <veremit> rcn-ee .. great stuff :)
  • [14:43:41] <rcn-ee> still don't have the new drivers working yet..
  • [14:43:46] <veremit> any progress on orange-pi yet?! ;P
  • [14:43:52] <rcn-ee> but i no longer mention the 3.14.x kernel..
  • [14:44:14] <veremit> rcn-ee: ok well that's better than 3.8 for sure :D
  • [14:44:23] <veremit> if that ever worked!
  • [14:44:49] <rcn-ee> veremit, got side tracked... kmscube on imx6/etnaviv, it's fun to see opengl es working. ;)
  • [14:44:59] <veremit> oh yea?
  • [14:45:17] <veremit> I just plugged my wand-dual up to check debian networking :/
  • [14:45:38] <veremit> someone was having trouble with wifi configured in /etc/network/interfaces and auto-rfkill ;/
  • [14:45:58] <veremit> who's bright idea that was .... !
  • [14:46:36] <rcn-ee> i got a couple about that.. rfkill, anyway to have it 'remember' what setting you had..
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  • [14:47:27] <veremit> yeeessssss
  • [14:49:44] <rcn-ee> (if only they didn't block wifi at work, i could actually test the wifi settings...)
  • [14:50:01] <veremit> really.. bugger.
  • [14:51:12] <rcn-ee> usually get about 30-60 seconds with a new wifi/mac address before they get hit by the "disconnect packet of death" from the secure access points..
  • [14:51:40] <veremit> ouch bastards
  • [14:52:38] <rcn-ee> use to sneak on channel 13, but that doesn't always work either. ;)
  • [14:53:53] <tbr> EM-cell/box ;)
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  • [15:23:20] <bgamari> rcn-ee, any updates on the X15?
  • [15:24:20] <rcn-ee> bgamari, haven't heard much, gerald hasn't been on the weekly call these last couple of weeks.. i know they spun another board to get thru fcc, not sure on the results yet..
  • [15:24:21] * bgamari has a project for a client which involves lots of compilation
  • [15:24:38] <bgamari> it would be great if I didn't need to do this on a BBB
  • [15:25:00] <bgamari> hmm
  • [15:25:04] <bgamari> sad
  • [15:25:46] <rcn-ee> bgamari, till they come out, rent one of these: https://www.scaleway.com/ (3euros a month) ;)
  • [15:25:51] <bgamari> rcn-ee, I suppose in the best case it will be a month or two before boards are available, eh?
  • [15:26:03] <rcn-ee> yeah last i heard after xmas..
  • [15:26:05] <bgamari> I would love to!
  • [15:26:14] <bgamari> unfortunately it seems they ran out of hardware
  • [15:26:19] * bgamari has been waiting in line for an account
  • [15:26:56] <rcn-ee> really? that explains why i can't get a 2nd node up and running..
  • [15:27:08] <bgamari> https://blog.scaleway.com/2015/11/03/scaleway-is-growing-too-fast-out-of-stock/
  • [15:28:19] <Spidler> rcn-ee: Bit sad on the x15, but thanks for the update. Been waiting for it for a while
  • [15:28:30] <Spidler> rcn-ee: what's the hold up, certification somewhere?
  • [15:30:04] <rcn-ee> Spidler, we were all ready for a Nov, launch... But all bb.org products go thru fcc testing.. Well taht friday before... it failed.. badly... We tuned a few thigns in u-boot/kernel, to quiet a few things down.. but in the end, a pcb redesign was needed (hdmi/power coupling..)
  • [15:30:46] <Humpelstilzchen> ouch
  • [15:31:01] <rcn-ee> but on the software side we found more bugs... so the 'default' image has a lot more fixes. ;)
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  • [15:32:08] <Spidler> rcn-ee: ouch. Right, I'm quite happy about that testing, as we have to go through CE marking of stuff here as well.
  • [15:32:22] <Spidler> rcn-ee: Better you get that "pleasure" than having to fix something afterwards.
  • [15:32:46] <Spidler> A bit sad that I couldn't get one for xmas though, was hoping that it'd turn up to be my first "proper" ARM-desktop machine.
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  • [16:30:07] <ecdhe> rcn-ee, did you turn off anything to pass FCC tests that we power users would want to turn back on?
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  • [16:31:31] <Ragnorok> Well my first kernel module didn't appear to screw the pooch, as it were. \o/
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  • [16:32:56] <ecdhe> rcn-ee, the HDMI framer on an uncased BBB is known to our lab to dramatically reduce the quality of GPS for about 3 meters around, so we're familiar with turning things off to reduce noise.
  • [16:33:54] <Spidler> ecdhe: How do you turn off that easily?
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  • [16:34:40] <ecdhe> Spidler, with a device tree overlay that runs at boot.
  • [16:34:50] <Spidler> Ah. Okay
  • [16:35:09] <Ragnorok> I thought the overlay mechanism was replaced?
  • [16:35:16] <Spidler> I'll have to look at that further. We run ours headless so
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  • [16:35:38] <ecdhe> Ragnorok, in what distro was it replaced, and what was it replaced with?
  • [16:35:48] <ecdhe> We use debian.
  • [16:36:16] <Ragnorok> For some reason I think 4.1.13 kernel loads it "native", and I don't know what it was replaced with because I haven't researched it enough.
  • [16:36:46] <ecdhe> Spidler, https://learn.adafruit.com/setting-up-io-python-library-on-beaglebone-black/spi
  • [16:37:01] <ecdhe> There's a boot flag to turn it off.
  • [16:37:23] <Ragnorok> Ah. In uEnv.txt. That sounds familiar.
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  • [16:46:53] <rcn-ee> ecdhe, yeah the hdmi makes lots of noise on the bbb...
  • [16:47:24] <ecdhe> rcn-ee, can I ask what kind of tweaks you'd make to a kernel to pass FCC?
  • [16:48:07] <rcn-ee> ecdhe, well it didn't pass yet that i know offf.. on the x15, we had the lcd panel pins, active... so disablign that helped..
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  • [17:36:44] <ecdhe> Does anyone know how to enable the adafruit-bbio python library to drive the USR leds?
  • [17:37:37] <ecdhe> strace python USR.py shows me that the call is failing: open("/sys/class/gpio/export", O_WRONLY) = 3
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  • [17:37:44] <ecdhe> write(3, "53", 2) = -1 EBUSY (Device or resource busy)
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  • [17:40:07] <ecdhe> This call is analogous to `echo 53 > /sys/class/gpio/export'
  • [17:40:54] <ecdhe> But I don't know what I need to turn off to resolve the "Device or resource busy" problem.
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  • [17:45:06] <nerdboy> rcn-ee: i didn't quite get your neo answer...
  • [17:45:23] <nerdboy> are you going to add any notes to the udoo page?
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  • [17:45:59] <rcn-ee> nerdboy, it's on my list. ;) the box is right in front of me. ;)
  • [17:47:26] <rcn-ee> it'll be a seperate page due to a different u-boot... and a much newer kernel..
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  • [17:57:45] <Benny_> Hi, Can I power the device from DC barrel as wel as USB at the same time? I'm afraid of damaging the device.
  • [17:58:14] <Benny_> I'm talking about the Beaglebone Black
  • [17:58:24] <rcn-ee> Benny_, yes/no... you can plug in both... but no, you can't 'live' switch between the two sources...
  • [17:58:52] <rcn-ee> (it'll shutdown)
  • [17:59:24] <Benny_> So I'll have to insert the barrel jacket first if that is my desired power source?
  • [17:59:32] <rcn-ee> yeap
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  • [17:59:39] <Benny_> cool, thanks.
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  • [18:31:37] <Guest19871> test
  • [18:32:41] <Guest19871> anyone online?
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  • [18:35:26] <vagrantc> Guest19871: yes.
  • [18:35:40] <vagrantc> Guest19871: in general, just go ahead and start asking questions
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  • [18:40:08] <Guest5> So whats the best way to connect to the black? I have an ftdi chip and a usb cable
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  • [18:42:54] <stt_michael> ssh?
  • [18:43:15] <Guest5> hardware wise though? Its not networked yet
  • [18:44:42] <vagrantc> Guest5: there's a serial header on the board you should be able to plug it into
  • [18:45:07] <Guest5> Okay, thats what I'll do, thanks!
  • [18:45:43] * vagrantc digs up a page about this stuff
  • [18:45:58] <vagrantc> Guest5: http://www.elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBone_Black_Serial
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  • [18:46:57] <Guest5> okay, thanks! Now, I just plugged it in to my mac and a boot drive showed up. Can I connect over this or do I need to use the debug port? Also, can I write new images to the boot drive directly?
  • [18:47:12] <Guest5> Sorry, a lot of questions. I just got this!
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  • [18:48:01] <vagrantc> it's probably just showing you one partition on the machine, not the whole eMMC device
  • [18:49:22] <Guest5> Okay, and I was just able to open a screen session to it as well. It showed up as a tty.modem
  • [18:53:37] <stt_michael> yes, you should get a composite serial, with mass storage, networking too
  • [18:53:48] <stt_michael> but these can be tricksy sometimes
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  • [18:54:08] <stt_michael> you can ssh over the usb link :)
  • [18:54:11] <stt_michael> but serial works
  • [18:54:46] <stt_michael> Debug serial via the header can be helpful to troubleshoot boot problems
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  • [19:10:21] <Jfrmz> Hi
  • [19:10:26] <Jfrmz> Sorry, i have a problem
  • [19:10:33] <Jfrmz> i can't install the drivers for windows
  • [19:10:47] <Jfrmz> i have windows 10, that's the problem, right?
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  • [19:12:06] <tbr> I thought there were new, signed drivers for windows
  • [19:12:49] <Ragnorok> W10 is a problem, but it may not be your driver problem. (wink) Afaik a BBlack at least can work in W10. I think a co-worker has that setup.
  • [19:16:13] <Jfrmz> Can i get it?
  • [19:16:21] <Jfrmz> where can i find it?
  • [19:17:11] <Jfrmz> When i tried to install the drivers, in the window says that i cant just install it
  • [19:17:20] <Jfrmz> idk why
  • [19:17:22] <Jfrmz> :(
  • [19:17:45] <tbr> you've tried this? http://beagleboard.org/getting-started#step2
  • [19:17:53] <Ragnorok> Sent an email. We'll see what comes back.
  • [19:17:54] <Jfrmz> yes
  • [19:19:42] <Jfrmz> thank you
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  • [19:44:56] <yates> zmatt: do you have a way to boot from the network? i'd like to debug my buidls without having to flash each time.
  • [19:45:08] <yates> zmatt, or anyone else...
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  • [19:49:37] <yates> e.g., if you configure boot mode for emac1, how does that work? what network protocol/setup is required for emac1 boot?
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  • [19:58:16] <tbr> yates: you could put rootfs on NFS
  • [19:59:36] <felon-> Ragnorok: what is your issue with BBB in win10? mine works as it should
  • [19:59:48] <felon-> installed the drivers as it said
  • [20:04:17] <Ragnorok> felon-: I don't have an issue, as I don't use w10. Looks like Jfrmz, who is having the issue, dropped off. (shrug)
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  • [20:22:28] <felon-> ah thanks Ragnorok
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  • [20:23:55] <alexanderhiam> rcn-ee: working on PyBBIO support on 4.1 - just noticed that the pip build on there is broken because it depends on an older version of the requests package
  • [20:24:44] <alexanderhiam> is omap-image-builder/target/chroot/beagleboard.org-jessie.sh the place to push a fix for that?
  • [20:25:23] <rcn-ee> alexanderhiam, yeap... (wheezy will always be 3.8) so fix in jessie. ;)
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  • [20:31:41] <alexanderhiam> cool, pull request should be coming soon...
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  • [20:46:26] <rcn-ee> alexanderhiam, remeber, if you use the new dtc, you'll probally have to move the "install_git_repos" before install_pip_pkgs...
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  • [20:57:45] <alexanderhiam> rcn-ee: is the old dtc replaced in install_git_repos?
  • [21:00:33] <rcn-ee> yeap... and use /usr/local/bin/dtc (wheezy/jessie, we still support running the "3.8" so dtc-3.8 gets /usr/bin/dtc)
  • [21:01:05] <rcn-ee> With stretch, i'll drop dtc-3.8 and /usr/bin/dtc will point to the dtc-4.1+...
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  • [21:08:46] <alexanderhiam> rcn-ee: oh, you know, I think I stopped building overlays at install time and just copy over dtbos, so I may not care...
  • [21:09:39] <alexanderhiam> if I need different overlays for 3.8 and 4.1 I can just have two directories of dtbos and detect that at install time
  • [21:10:12] <rcn-ee> oh, yeah then don't worry about that.. ;)
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  • [21:10:45] <rcn-ee> btw, the "4.1" dtbo's should be 100% compatible with "4.4" (well so far it is)
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  • [21:12:55] <alexanderhiam> awesome. And the only thing that's changed on that front between 3.8 and 4.1 is the compiler? i.e. my 3.8 overlays should be fine as is? Or has there been any changes to the drivers I'll need to take into account?
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  • [21:29:01] <rcn-ee> alexanderhiam, compiler, &usartX=&usart(X-1) & &gpioX=&gpio(X-1)... about 99% of the rest got ported...
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  • [21:50:07] <alexanderhiam> rcn-ee: actually, not sure the best way to fix pip - the debian package is broken (well, I guess fixing that would be the /best/ thing to do...) - does it make sense to remove it from the deb list and wget and run the pip bootstrap script in chroot.sh?
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  • [21:52:37] <rcn-ee> alexanderhiam, what version works? could backport it from stretch..
  • [21:54:23] <rcn-ee> oh my... 5.6 came out in 2014...
  • [21:57:11] <alexanderhiam> yeah... 1.5.6-5 in jessie repo and 1.5.6-7 in stretch
  • [21:57:53] <rcn-ee> yeah, so i double 1.5.6-7 will fix your problem...
  • [21:58:03] <rcn-ee> i guess we might as well do: https://pip.pypa.io/en/stable/installing/
  • [21:58:32] <alexanderhiam> yeah, it seems like that script is the way to go
  • [21:58:33] <rcn-ee> can we define a speicfic version of pip with "pip install -U pip"
  • [21:59:25] <alexanderhiam> perhaps if the current pip worked at all :P
  • [22:00:10] <rcn-ee> nope... it pullse down 7.1.2.. ;)
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  • [22:01:27] <ewrtrew> Per the comments in http://bugs.elinux.org/issues/159, the Debian 8.2 image on the Latest Images page is wrong. Is there a way to get this page updated to the correct link?
  • [22:01:39] <alexanderhiam> looks like 'pip install -Iv package==version' works, but the package needs to be uninstalled first
  • [22:03:15] <rcn-ee> ewrtrew, jkrinder's not on irc today either. he's got a few week old newborn at home, so he's on randomoly..
  • [22:04:11] <alexanderhiam> so remove pip from the deb list and run get-pip.py in target/chroot/beagleboard.org-jessie.sh?
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  • [22:04:39] <rcn-ee> alexanderhiam, that's what i'm thinking... just making the change asap, so i can fire off a build. ;)
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  • [22:04:58] <ewrtrew> Well, that is great news! I can imagine he is on only sporadically, and likely at strange hours of the night too! ;-) Can someone who has his contact information let him know about the issue and ask him to correct the link when he has a chance?
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  • [22:06:05] <alexanderhiam> rcn-ee: so many configs... any objection to doing an `apt-get remove python-pip` before get-pip.py in beagleboard.org-jessie.sh? :P
  • [22:06:40] <rcn-ee> alexanderhiam, we should be fine, on my x86, sudo python get-pip.py stuck it in /usr/local/bin/pip ;)
  • [22:06:48] <ewrtrew> Anyone?
  • [22:06:56] <alexanderhiam> ah, nice
  • [22:09:34] <rcn-ee> alexanderhiam, just pushed this: https://github.com/RobertCNelson/omap-image-builder/commit/d15772eea2378a5e6389eac844d111469164ae90
  • [22:09:44] <rcn-ee> it's now running on the farm: http://rcn-ee.homeip.net:8080/job/omap-image-builder_testrun/18/console
  • [22:09:53] <rcn-ee> so hopefully your package just installs now ;)
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  • [22:10:20] <alexanderhiam> you beat me to it!
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  • [22:10:56] <alexanderhiam> rcn-ee: interestingly PyBBIO is still on there, so it seems like that pip version works in the chroot...
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  • [22:11:22] <rcn-ee> but it doesn't work as normal user?
  • [22:11:28] <alexanderhiam> yeah
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  • [22:11:35] <rcn-ee> if you do a "sudo su"
  • [22:11:38] <rcn-ee> and then try it?
  • [22:11:47] <rcn-ee> chroot runs as pure root...
  • [22:12:19] <ds2> prehaps /sbin/adulterate is what you want?
  • [22:12:21] <alexanderhiam> oh no, sorry, I'm running as root
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  • [22:14:13] <alexanderhiam> this is the error fwiw: http://pastebin.com/EMtJMJpk
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  • [22:16:41] <alexanderhiam> oh, get-pip.py also uninstalls any old versions
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  • [22:51:08] <rcn-ee> alexanderhiam, it looks like it's working..
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  • [23:08:58] <Nedlinpopo> hey there everyone. I have a project using a BBB where we don't need all the connectors stuffed, and we use a different bootup resistor configuration. Is there a way to order BBBs with some light customizations? Would 100s to 1000s be enough to justify it?
  • [23:09:43] <Nedlinpopo> Note: i'm not askign for a board rev, just a stuffing rev.
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  • [23:15:10] <CareBear\> Nedlinpopo : you should get in touch with circuitco
  • [23:15:56] <Nedlinpopo> okay, will do. Is there someone in particular who i shoudl talk to there (or here)?
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  • [23:37:47] <CareBear\> there - I don't know who
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  • [23:42:04] <veremit> rcn .. damnit
  • [23:43:00] <yates> zmatt: in your main.S, i see a "1:" at the beginning of a few assembler lines. what the heck is that?
  • [23:43:32] <yates> does it have something to do with an ipblock?
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  • [23:50:36] <veremit> if there's plural, definitely not a label...