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  • [00:21:44] <egan> I have a motor driver with a deadman's switch internally pulled to 5V. I'd like it to ground should the BBB lose power or reset. I thought hooking it to SYS_5V would do it but it appears to remain at 5V even when the BBB is powered off. Any ideas without requiring additional components?
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  • [00:45:50] <limbrik> egan: Did you consider using a GPIO with an external pulldown resistor? I think they're all high-Z at reset
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  • [16:13:03] <Mode3> Hi!
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  • [16:17:14] <Mode3> Total noob here /!\ I don't understand how to activate Mode 3 on P9 pins 1-2-3-4 and 19-20, BB Black rev.B. Any clue -including tutorials links-?
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  • [16:18:19] <Mode3> I'm using latest image, kernel 3.14 by the way
  • [16:21:21] <Mode3> *latest Thing image
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  • [16:27:21] <GenTooMan> Thing image?
  • [16:30:13] <Mode3> For a 3D printer
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  • [16:30:41] <GenTooMan> Thought so ... su you plan on using ubuntu?
  • [16:30:48] <Mode3> it's labeled "Thing image (Angstrom, stable)"
  • [16:31:31] <GenTooMan> angstrom is less burdensome but you have a step by step settup for it? I was just looking at that an hour ago :D
  • [16:32:37] <Mode3> I simply followed http://wiki.thing-printer.com/index.php?title=Thing_image
  • [16:33:11] <Mode3> But now, I've no power on pin 3 and 4 and I need this +3.3V
  • [16:35:18] <Mode3> And I need mode 3 on P9 pins 19 and 20 too...
  • [16:35:26] <Mode3> But I'm lost right now
  • [16:35:41] * GenTooMan mutters about people who use tape to make things work once in a while. "hmmm not much their I noticed", he muses.
  • [16:36:33] <GenTooMan> I noticed they are using a crappy slicer program for handling STL data (argh) I won't complain too much but that algorythm is 18 years old.
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  • [16:39:55] <zmatt> "Maximize your experience with Code Composer Studio v6" .... they're not really specific in what *kind* of experience. If it's similar to previous experience with CCS, I'm not sure I'm particularly looking forward to having it maximized
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  • [16:44:03] <kfoltman> maybe they misspelled 'avoidance of'
  • [16:44:13] <GenTooMan> LOL CCS6 includes compatibility with using the newer FET430-2 which includes nanoamp power consumption measurement
  • [16:44:23] <GenTooMan> Their are some other things they added too.
  • [16:45:17] <skizz0to> Hi*
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  • [16:51:07] <zmatt> actually I'm already using CCS6, just doing a fresh install/upgrade
  • [16:51:57] <zmatt> nice job packaging... an installer and readme without enclosing folder in a tar gz... installer isn't executable
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  • [18:17:19] <zmatt> GenTooMan: obviously
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  • [18:23:41] <GenTooMan> heh :D
  • [18:24:16] <GenTooMan> I remember attempting v5.5 and I didn't meet the "binary" dependencies.
  • [18:24:40] <zmatt> you need a shitload of 32-bit shared libs
  • [18:25:09] <zmatt> (although not all it claims)
  • [18:25:25] <GenTooMan> hmm I have a 64bit system
  • [18:25:34] <GenTooMan> it only has 8 gigs but still
  • [18:25:40] <zmatt> .... like everybody else :P
  • [18:25:54] <GenTooMan> I've had it for 4 years time to upgrade
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  • [18:28:51] <zmatt> argh, I want to check how badly they screwed up the CPSW driver for AM335x TI/RTOS (to see if I can confirm for someone on E2E that his problems indeed lie there)... but it's not actually included with TI/RTOS, you need the Industrial SDK, which is a Windows-only installer -.-
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  • [18:52:00] <GenTooMan> I know your pain ...
  • [18:52:02] <GenTooMan> :D
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  • [18:53:09] <zmatt> gawd I just can't stomach the redicuous complexity and 15 million levels of indirection in this code
  • [18:55:20] <GenTooMan> Have you looked at their "simpliciTI" network stack for wireless? Don't get me wrong it's not BAD but it has some major short commings for example as a wireless network protocol it uses STATIC links. You look through the "pile" of stuff in it and it refers to itself practically in the 3rd person. So from me no surprise?
  • [18:56:05] <zmatt> "not BAD" sounds like quite a compliment
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  • [18:56:30] <zmatt> most code I've seen is... http://goo.gl/zBMxPr
  • [18:57:18] <GenTooMan> I had to almost completely bypass it to make it form dynamic links for polling I was told "it won't allow you to do a join operation that way cause it won't clean up properly." mutter. So I use it's equivalent to UDP
  • [18:57:34] <zmatt> e.g. code to update an MMU entry by.... turning the MMU *off* (including flushing all caches), changing the entry, and then turning the MMU back on
  • [18:58:11] <GenTooMan> Ummm is their a bug in the MMU hardware that necessitates that?
  • [18:59:09] <zmatt> no, and it's almost guaranteed to break stuff
  • [18:59:44] <zmatt> on an ARMv7 processor you should turn the MMU on asap keep it that way
  • [19:00:12] <zmatt> the only reason to turn it off is to avoid complication in the hand-off from bootloader to OS
  • [19:01:17] <GenTooMan> Yes so they are obviously budding kernel writers. :D
  • [19:02:06] <GenTooMan> Hmmm For a robot OS does ROS work? It seems the most up to date. Not sure I want to use linuxCNC for something that isn't machining.
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  • [19:02:55] <zmatt> no idea sorry
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  • [19:03:37] <zmatt> their uart driver is nice too... in the routine you use to enable or disable some of its interrupt sources, it briefly enters uart config mode
  • [19:04:03] <zmatt> ... which is absolutely forbidden, since it'll halt uart operation immediately, even in the middle of transmitting a character
  • [19:04:18] <zmatt> (and also completely unnecessary)
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  • [19:11:48] <GenTooMan> Funny things that simpliciTI did some dumb crap like that too.
  • [19:12:32] <GenTooMan> For example when it was using the SPI port it pulled for the interrupt flag instead of using the uart busy flag caused all sorts of stupid crap to happen
  • [19:14:02] <GenTooMan> This created an issue with the receive interrupt never clearing or getting out of sync (when transmitting)
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  • [19:24:16] <zmatt> I really do hate the uart though.... that thing has a seriously fucked-up interface (yay for decades of backwards compatibility -.- )
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  • [19:27:21] <GenTooMan> which uart is it compatible with?
  • [19:27:57] <zmatt> 16C750
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  • [19:29:07] <zmatt> irritating modal register interface
  • [19:29:52] <zmatt> even if the compat is still useful, they should have made the registers accessible directly also
  • [19:31:01] <zmatt> especially since some registers which imho are perfectly reasonable to change at runtime require entering config mode
  • [19:31:10] <zmatt> but the irq handling is braindead too
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  • [19:32:12] <zmatt> and no option to pack 4 bytes into a single read from / write to the fifos
  • [19:32:16] <zmatt> which also means no efficient dma
  • [19:32:49] <zmatt> at least the McSPI controller got that aspect right
  • [19:33:43] <GenTooMan> I noticed this was a problem with ARM not persea the implementation. Some processors allow packing in tranfers via DMA IE byte to word (not aligned but 2 byte reads to an aligned word for example)
  • [19:34:09] <zmatt> the uart's bus interface is 32-bit
  • [19:34:35] <zmatt> (also, the DMA engine is not in any way related to ARM)
  • [19:36:48] <zmatt> a larger fifo window than 4 bytes would allow even greater efficiency when accessing it from the CPU (which can only do linear bursts), but a 4-byte window would suffice to allow the DMA engine to do a streaming burst
  • [19:37:07] <zmatt> now, to use streaming bursts you'd have to store your characters as an array of 32-bit ints
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  • [19:38:28] <zmatt> a transfer controller of the dma engine can only have 1 read request and 4 older write requests open at any given time
  • [19:38:47] <zmatt> regardless of whether that's a request for 1 byte or a request for a 64-byte streaming burst
  • [19:40:11] <zmatt> (as a result the CPU can actually write data to the uart _faster_ than the dma controller)
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  • [19:41:30] <zmatt> too fast actually, I discovered the UART can't deal with 8 or more writes in immediate succession, it fucks up some internal pointer or counter or something
  • [19:42:12] <zmatt> my guess would be some clock domain crossing issue in the fifo logic :/
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  • [20:03:14] <GenTooMan> Well you can have sync in and out fifo (IE different clocks for input and output) however might be a bit messy.
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  • [20:29:25] <wise> hi
  • [20:29:49] <wise> can anyone assist me in making my beaglebone a wifi repeater
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  • [21:02:57] <GenTooMan> You would need some software that supports that function no?
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  • [22:13:56] <foundatron> Hi I've been trying to figure out how to make a custom emmc flasher for the beaglebone black for the past few hours and I can't seem to instructions that do enough ahnd holding
  • [22:14:12] <foundatron> I've been looking at https://github.com/RobertCNelson/omap-image-builder
  • [22:15:09] <foundatron> But I can't figure out how one actually generates an imagethe one shown here
  • [22:15:21] <foundatron> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian#Flasher
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  • [22:15:59] <foundatron> I'm trying to generate an image with my own packages
  • [22:16:14] <foundatron> and boot scripts
  • [22:17:07] <foundatron> I found a number forum posts about it like this one
  • [22:17:08] <foundatron> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/beagleboard/gkVwuE7324U
  • [22:17:23] <foundatron> but they are genrally out of date
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  • [22:21:06] <veremit> foundatron .. pop in Monday, and Rob Nelson will be back in here to ask himself
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  • [22:22:07] <foundatron> I can do that...
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  • [22:24:44] <foundatron> Has anyone else here had experience building their own images?
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