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  • [00:03:41] <Necrosporus> How could I check if my uart cable is 3.3 v an not 5v? maybe multimeter against signal cable and gnd?
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  • [00:17:06] <zmatt> yup, TxD is high when idle
  • [00:17:25] <zmatt> RxD no doubt also has a pull-up
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  • [00:30:25] <veremit> Necrosporus Tx idles high, so you can put a meter between Tx pin and GND to see what voltage its putting out
  • [00:31:12] <veremit> similarly you can prove your pinout by measuring pins Tx/Rx and noticing their voltage (nb. RS232 is inverted voltage - ie. -12V is "high")
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  • [00:31:57] <Necrosporus> veremit, I have tried to solder this cable to an arm device mainboard and it worked
  • [00:33:33] <veremit> cool
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  • [01:41:57] <zmatt> note that voltages in excess of max ratings may work too, but cause damage in long term :P
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  • [02:00:07] <GenTooMan> You might have to replace the level shifters on the board if you drive them beyond 3.3V due to the internal protection diodes shunting to 3.3V or some such.
  • [02:00:45] <zmatt> what level shifters on board? :P
  • [02:01:41] <zmatt> hmm there is of course an isolation switch on the console port, depending on how it works it may actually protect against overvoltage
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  • [02:02:30] <veremit> if you put 5v into the am335x you're gonna end up with a molten blob of processor :)
  • [02:02:39] <GenTooMan> I swore their was a level shifter between the AM335X and the serial port. I thought the IO for the AM335X was 1.8V
  • [02:02:50] <zmatt> veremit: except the serial cable ain't a power supply
  • [02:03:01] <zmatt> veremit: it'll dip if you draw enough current
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  • [02:03:19] <veremit> GenTooMan .. there's a shifter between the rs232 port yes
  • [02:03:26] <zmatt> no
  • [02:03:32] <veremit> I thought the rest of io was 3v3 ..
  • [02:03:38] <GenTooMan> maybe?
  • [02:03:43] <zmatt> or well, maybe they used a shifter for it, but it's then 3v3 to 3v3 :P
  • [02:03:54] <veremit> zmatt . the rs232 is a driver chip actually :p
  • [02:04:01] <zmatt> there's no rs232 on it
  • [02:04:08] <veremit> oh wrong board then lol
  • [02:04:14] <veremit> my bad
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  • [02:04:51] <veremit> my experience of beagle-black serial ports was 3v3 io though ..
  • [02:04:56] <zmatt> GenTooMan: am335x can use 1.8V or 3.3V I/O (selectable per bank)
  • [02:05:05] <zmatt> GenTooMan: all of them are 3.3V on the beagle
  • [02:05:38] <zmatt> "bank" in this case is some non-obvious grouping of pins, wholly unrelated to GPIO banks or anything
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  • [02:06:27] <zmatt> GenTooMan: check the "Supply" column of my pin-spreadsheet => https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CK5c-Cs8G1RtzGo-J3VJsD9m5K-fp06AncgeYWsdjSU/view
  • [02:06:35] <zmatt> oh 6 banks sorry
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  • [02:07:42] <zmatt> they're mostly to allow sd/mmc and ethernet to optionally operate at different voltage than the rest of the ios
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  • [02:10:32] <GenTooMan> zmatt U15 isolates the UART pins from the processor.
  • [02:10:35] <zmatt> oh hey, the chip they used on the beagle for power isolation is actually fine with 5V
  • [02:11:06] <GenTooMan> Except they powered it with 3.3V
  • [02:11:17] <zmatt> GenTooMan: yes that's what I said, <zmatt> hmm there is of course an isolation switch on the console port, depending on how it works it may actually protect against overvoltage
  • [02:11:38] <zmatt> if I'm reading its datasheet right, it does
  • [02:12:04] <GenTooMan> <zmatt> I was probably reading the schematic whilst you were saying that.
  • [02:12:33] <GenTooMan> Sadly their are 2 U15s on the schematic on being on the processor :(
  • [02:13:15] <zmatt> I'm mostly pissed off they didn't connect RTS/CTS ... they're not even used for a different purpose, just left not-connected on both cpu and header
  • [02:13:28] <zmatt> fun when pasting a long line of text
  • [02:14:49] <GenTooMan> They use ORCad for this?
  • [02:14:55] * zmatt has no idea
  • [02:15:31] <zmatt> I see only one U15
  • [02:15:44] <GenTooMan> PIN number U15 you don't see?
  • [02:15:56] <zmatt> sure, but that's a pin number
  • [02:16:08] <GenTooMan> When you are searching a PDF ...
  • [02:16:55] <GenTooMan> It's hard as heck to see the highlight.. I couldn't find J7 because it kept finding the processor pin (apparently connected several places)
  • [02:16:55] <zmatt> try searching for pin 1 of anything :P
  • [02:17:03] <GenTooMan> LOL
  • [02:17:19] <GenTooMan> Well it would be A1 for this IC ;)
  • [02:17:40] <zmatt> J1 will be even worse than J7
  • [02:18:01] <zmatt> they really should have used a leading digit for the cpu balls
  • [02:18:09] <zmatt> (e.g. J01)
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  • [02:18:38] <GenTooMan> OR do U5_J1 or somesuch
  • [02:19:21] <GenTooMan> intermixing pin numbers with other reference designators ... well these IC's are quite the pain
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  • [02:20:20] <zmatt> so all this bla about making sure you get the 3.3V cable... when in fact U15 ensures a 5V cable would safely work too ... (though, to anyone reading this: better triple-check if I'm right about that before risking a board)
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  • [02:22:24] <zmatt> though, when working with modern SoCs, it's better to develop an intuitive http://goo.gl/bRU8DV feeling w.r.t. 5V
  • [02:23:08] <zmatt> (funny enough it does have 5V tolerant pins.... two of 'em to be exact)
  • [02:27:48] <GenTooMan> The max input is VCC+0.5V so 3.8V is the max
  • [02:29:12] <zmatt> ehh, are you sure you're looking at the right datasheet ? mine says 0 to 5.5V in the recommended operating conditions
  • [02:30:02] <zmatt> (-0.5V to 6.5V in max ratings)
  • [02:30:38] <veremit> zmatt .. for Vcc or Vio on io pin?¬
  • [02:30:52] <zmatt> veremit: VI, input voltage
  • [02:30:56] <veremit> mk
  • [02:31:10] <zmatt> think about it, if the inputs were limited to Vcc+0.5V then it would be useless as isolation
  • [02:31:15] <zmatt> since Vcc will be zero when the board is off
  • [02:31:24] <GenTooMan> SN74LVC2G241
  • [02:31:33] <veremit> its not true isolation is it? Its just level conversion
  • [02:31:39] <veremit> it would have to be opto or something
  • [02:31:46] <veremit> (since I use opto all the time for usb/etc IO)
  • [02:32:14] <zmatt> veremit: it's isolation in the sense of making sure no voltage is applied to am335x I/Os when not powered
  • [02:32:15] <veremit> then you got >1 Vcc/Vss/etc
  • [02:32:30] <veremit> zmatt .. well that is probably safe .. since that also blows up the processor :)
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  • [02:32:45] <zmatt> i.e. it allows you leave your console cable connected when the board is off
  • [02:32:55] <veremit> indeed .. and a wise design choice :)
  • [02:32:55] <zmatt> without U15 that would be damaging
  • [02:34:26] <zmatt> the fact that it'll also work as a unidirectional level shifter seems to be just a side-effect
  • [02:34:44] <zmatt> (its output will still be 3.3V, but I think a 5V serial cable will accept that too)
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  • [02:39:33] <Necrosporus> veremit, the wires are +3.3 and +3.2V
  • [02:39:46] <Necrosporus> I'm talking about rx and tx to gnd
  • [02:40:01] <Necrosporus> So the cable should work with bbb
  • [02:40:12] <veremit> Necrosporus .. I would say so
  • [02:40:30] <Necrosporus> It was not uart cable, but an old phone cable
  • [02:41:06] <Necrosporus> There are also other wires I didn't identify
  • [02:41:15] <Necrosporus> Maybe them are useful too?
  • [02:41:44] <Necrosporus> I have identified gnd, +5v, Rx and Tx, but there are three other wires in the cable
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  • [02:44:24] <veremit> rts/cts I would imagine are two
  • [02:46:00] <zmatt> they would have been useful... except they're left not-connected on the beaglebone -.-
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  • [02:53:21] <GenTooMan> It would have required them to have 2 more isolation pins that might have been why.
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  • [02:54:19] <GenTooMan> make
  • [02:54:25] <GenTooMan> doh!
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  • [02:58:13] <veremit> zmatt .. although it may be desireable to have flow control .. I've never seen an arm board with it actually used .. I dunno whether even uboot supports it, for example.
  • [02:58:13] <Necrosporus> But there are six pins in connector
  • [02:58:25] <Necrosporus> Why only 1, 4 and 5 are used?
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  • [02:59:05] <veremit> Necrosporus .. probably other purposes
  • [02:59:08] <Necrosporus> And why are not they 1 2 3?
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  • [03:00:30] <zmatt> Necrosporus: the header on the beaglebone is designed for the FTDI serial cable, which has a 6-pin connector on it
  • [03:00:38] <Necrosporus> I'm sure J1 pinout is somewhere in wiki
  • [03:00:45] <Necrosporus> What are other three pins for?
  • [03:00:51] <zmatt> not connected on the beaglebone
  • [03:01:09] <Necrosporus> So they are just pins not leading anywhere?
  • [03:01:49] <zmatt> correct, just to mate properly with the serial cable
  • [03:01:57] <Necrosporus> I still think it might be good to have an option to use pins 1 2 3, so other connector could be used with only three or four pins
  • [03:02:00] <zmatt> (which uses them for +5V, RTS, CTS)
  • [03:02:29] <Necrosporus> though it could introduce compatibility issues
  • [03:03:01] <Necrosporus> What is +5v for?
  • [03:03:18] <Necrosporus> are there devices which are powered by uart cable?
  • [03:04:31] <Necrosporus> Also there are some revisions of bbb
  • [03:04:37] <Necrosporus> which one is better?
  • [03:04:48] <Necrosporus> I guess, C?
  • [03:05:51] <GenTooMan> <Necrosporus> It uses ground RX and TX the remain are 5V power RTS and CTS I use the same cable at work (I use 5V RX TX and ground)
  • [03:06:51] <Necrosporus> What do you use 5v for?
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  • [03:13:33] <GenTooMan> Power for boards it is plugged into. the USB spec is vague enough that you can draw without issue up to 125ma.
  • [03:14:22] <GenTooMan> After that it has to be "told" officially how much current it should be drawing. So it doesn't cause a fault on an unpowered bridge or some such.
  • [03:14:27] <zmatt> the usb spec isn't vague about how much power you may draw afaik, though you may be able to get away with violating it :P
  • [03:15:36] <zmatt> depends also on how much current draw the serial cable is declaring in its descriptor
  • [03:15:54] <zmatt> (which is configurable in EEPROM for ftdi cables)
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  • [03:17:46] <GenTooMan> Well on that note sleep calls me.
  • [03:18:06] <zmatt> well, tell it to leave a message
  • [03:18:08] <zmatt> ;)
  • [03:18:24] <GenTooMan> <the brain you have dialed has been disconnected>
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  • [03:24:06] <Necrosporus> I found the faq, so I withdraw my question, the C revision is best and latest
  • [03:24:42] <Necrosporus> Though I'm not sure about cost, I found an offer for 58 usd, I guess it's ok
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  • [03:26:45] <veremit> usb spec states a maximum draw of 500mA on usb2
  • [03:26:58] <veremit> per port... and also has spec's for voltage drop over cable too
  • [03:27:25] <veremit> hence max length of 5m permitted
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  • [03:29:56] <Necrosporus> Is BBB rev C still $45 usd by the way?
  • [03:30:21] <Necrosporus> I see something about increasing the price by 5 or 15 usd
  • [03:30:59] <Necrosporus> I see, 55 USD
  • [03:34:34] <veremit> Necrosporus .. the vendors are all on http://beagleboard.org iirc .. pick one close to you, and check prices. Or you can pay inflated prices on fleabay/etc. Your choice. But most likely, you will be waiting a few days :p
  • [03:35:12] <Necrosporus> veremit, the problem is there are no vendors in my country
  • [03:35:57] <balrog> Necrosporus: pick a country which is reasonable to buy from to your country
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  • [03:36:12] <balrog> Pick vendors and find one that ships to your country, I'm sure at least a few do
  • [03:37:12] <Necrosporus> I suspect that with shipping cost it might appear more expensive than from local reseller (58 usd, though seem it's not C rev)
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  • [03:38:36] <veremit> I doubt there are any old revisions available from the authorised vendors .. stock moves VERY fast ..
  • [03:39:16] <Necrosporus> it's not autorized I guess
  • [03:39:46] <veremit> where are you Necrosporus ?
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  • [03:40:38] <Necrosporus> russia
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  • [03:44:22] <veremit> Necrosporus .. http://ru.farnell.com/element14/bbone-black-4g/beaglebone-black-rev-c-cortex/dp/2422228
  • [03:45:25] <veremit> doesn't make any sense to me .. but maybe to you :)
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  • [03:51:11] <Necrosporus> 20 usd for shipping?
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  • [05:31:25] <jafsf> hello everyone
  • [05:31:37] <jafsf> i need some help regarding flashing my bbb
  • [05:31:59] <jafsf> i tried all the steps given on the official website but after the process completes
  • [05:32:07] <jafsf> when i remove the sd card
  • [05:32:11] <jafsf> nothing happends
  • [05:32:20] <jafsf> only two lights blink
  • [05:32:36] <jafsf> can anyone tell me what is the solution for this problem
  • [05:34:21] <Necrosporus> jafsf, try to remove power cord?
  • [05:34:33] <Necrosporus> maybe hard reset helps?
  • [05:34:47] <Necrosporus> if not, use a serial debugger to see what's going wrong
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  • [05:36:30] <jafsf> i tried removing the power
  • [05:36:37] <jafsf> and then turning it on
  • [05:36:54] <jafsf> but i can not detect it on pc nor through 192.168.7.2
  • [05:37:16] <jafsf> how can i do hard reset? and serial debugger?
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  • [05:42:00] <Necrosporus> jafsf, first power it on then attach UART cable to J1 according to pinout http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBone_Black_Accessories#Serial_Debug_Cables
  • [05:47:25] <jafsf> thanks
  • [05:47:42] <jafsf> is it the problem caused due to lack of power
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  • [05:49:22] <Necrosporus> jafsf, do not attach serial cable before the board is powered on
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  • [05:52:24] <tbr> also first boot can take quite long so be patient for it to appear over usb...
  • [05:53:20] <tbr> also if you interrupt first boot it might break it completely and you need to reflash
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  • [05:54:26] <Necrosporus> tbr, how could you reflash it if first boot breaks?
  • [05:54:38] <Necrosporus> is there a way to reflash BBB from completely bricked state?
  • [05:54:42] <tbr> just as you did before
  • [05:54:51] <Necrosporus> I did not, I do not have a BBB yet
  • [05:55:05] <tbr> ah, the other guy did
  • [05:55:16] <tbr> it's explained on beagleboard.org
  • [05:55:22] <Necrosporus> jafsf, which flashing guide have you used?
  • [05:56:27] <tbr> you can't brick it completely in software. for "complete brick" being unrecoverable
  • [05:56:28] <jafsf> i used it from http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian#eMMC:_BeagleBone_Black
  • [05:56:35] <jafsf> i flashed it
  • [05:56:49] <jafsf> then i saw the 4 leds turn on for a while after the flashing is done
  • [05:56:56] <jafsf> i removed the power
  • [05:57:03] <jafsf> and then i removed the sd card
  • [05:57:11] <jafsf> and then started the bbb by reconnecting it
  • [05:57:23] <jafsf> now i can see D2 in a heartbeat pattern
  • [05:57:32] <jafsf> and D4 led blinking randomly
  • [05:57:49] <jafsf> but i can not detect it on the computer
  • [05:57:55] <jafsf> could not login via ssh
  • [05:58:08] <Necrosporus> use serial console to see what's going on
  • [05:58:14] <jafsf> can not login via browser through the ip 192.168.7.2
  • [05:58:24] <jafsf> right now i dont have one im ordering it
  • [05:58:30] <jafsf> but is there a way to fix this
  • [05:58:36] <jafsf> it worked fine with ubuntu
  • [05:58:40] <Necrosporus> jafsf, you could find one as cheap as 2usd
  • [05:58:43] <jafsf> and it was up and running
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  • [05:58:56] <jafsf> yeah i will be buying it
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  • [05:59:13] <jafsf> but im just interested to know how to rectify the error before that
  • [05:59:33] <jafsf> some people said it caused because of lack of power supply
  • [06:00:10] <Necrosporus> jafsf, wait at least a hour with the device powered on
  • [06:00:18] <Necrosporus> maybe it's booting up
  • [06:00:53] <Necrosporus> if it isn't try to repeat flashing verifying you are using the right image and it's written to your sdcard correctly
  • [06:02:29] <jafsf> yeah i tried
  • [06:02:35] <jafsf> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian#eMMC:_BeagleBone_Black i used the second image
  • [06:02:43] <jafsf> https://rcn-ee.net/rootfs/2015-02-19/flasher/BBB-eMMC-flasher-debian-7.8-console-armhf-2015-02-19-2gb.img.xz
  • [06:02:49] <jafsf> from here
  • [06:03:11] <jafsf> also its booting up and working with uSD card but not on the emmc flashing method
  • [06:05:40] <tbr> does the beagle appear as a storage device?
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  • [10:02:20] <JIJU> hi
  • [10:02:56] <JIJU> beagle have any mediatek or snapdragon board
  • [10:03:10] <tbr> no, they are all TI SoCs
  • [10:03:32] <JIJU> wat is TI
  • [10:03:35] <tbr> after all it was started by TI people and TI people seem to remain in control
  • [10:03:44] <tbr> a company making calculators
  • [10:03:53] <JIJU> ok
  • [10:04:20] <JIJU> then which processors using in beagle
  • [10:04:44] <tbr> "they are all TI SoCs"
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  • [10:05:53] <JIJU> which processors using in beagle
  • [10:06:01] <tbr> "they are all TI SoCs"
  • [10:06:28] <JIJU> how much will be the cost
  • [10:06:47] <tbr> ask a local distributor
  • [10:07:21] <JIJU> can we install android in it
  • [10:08:03] <tbr> people have built android for it, yes
  • [10:08:51] <JIJU> is there any specially compiled android needed
  • [10:10:42] <tbr> I guess so, I never looked at those. You can easily find those using a search engine.
  • [10:11:52] <JIJU> ok
  • [10:12:16] <JIJU> I would like to develop a smartphone using this
  • [10:12:24] <JIJU> can I?
  • [10:13:07] * KotH hands JIJU one google
  • [10:13:55] <JIJU> hi
  • [10:14:18] <KotH> and the answer is probably no, as you seem unable to answer even those simple questions yourself
  • [10:14:56] <KotH> but people like mdp or panto could help you
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  • [10:17:24] <JIJU> ok
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  • [13:11:08] <Jolly_Roger> Hello all
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  • [13:12:10] <My_Spuds_m8> anyone like show tunes
  • [13:12:21] <av500> ?
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  • [13:13:50] <My_Spuds_m8> its a simple question
  • [13:14:31] <notajew> i love them. and you.
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  • [13:46:53] <mistawright> so i just flashed the latest ubuntu image to my beaglebone black. I am now having trouble with device tree overlays. I have been looking at the capes and it seems like pwm support isnt quite there for 3.14
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  • [13:47:17] <mistawright> is that correct and if so how can I go about downgrading the kernel on the beaglebone black back to 3.8
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  • [13:52:58] <Cats_home> mistawright: are you looking for epwmss[0..2] ?
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  • [13:57:59] <mistawright> Cats_home, yes, but at the same time i am guessing i would need to use the tb-rebuilder and add a custom dtsi. will the dts files from the 3.8 kernel work fine with the 3.14 or has the structure changed?
  • [13:58:22] <Cats_home> it as changed
  • [13:58:31] <Cats_home> but not that much
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  • [14:01:05] <Cats_home> if you want to use P8_13 as pwm, you have first to disable it from pinmux to free it ie: &ocp {
  • [14:01:05] <Cats_home> P8_13_pinmux {
  • [14:01:05] <Cats_home> status = "disabled";
  • [14:01:05] <Cats_home> };
  • [14:01:05] <Cats_home> };
  • [14:01:13] <Cats_home> and then reconfigure it
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  • [14:01:23] <mistawright> Cats_home, https://github.com/VegetableAvenger/BBBIOlib/blob/master/overlay/BBBIO-EHRPWM-00A0.dts this is the dts file I will need to use
  • [14:02:08] <mistawright> I am not sure what will need to be modified at this point to be able to use the library properly.
  • [14:04:09] <Cats_home> mm have a look at am33x.dtsi in the kernel tree in arch/arm/boot/dts/
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  • [14:12:11] <mistawright> Cats_home, there isnt any good concise tutorials you can point me at is there? or how can i downgrade my kernel?
  • [14:12:59] <Cats_home> mistawright: I don't know any good tutorials, I went by trial and error when I moved to 3.1x kernels
  • [14:14:13] <rcn-ee> mistawright, just "sudo apt-get install linux-image-3.8.13-bone70" to downgrade..
  • [14:17:14] <Cats_home> you have all the pwm defined in the am33xx.dtsi, so you could enable them in a dts
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  • [14:21:56] <mistawright> Cats_home, will go with that method and see what i can get out of it
  • [14:22:41] <mistawright> rcn-ee, thanks i will go ahead and downgrade and write the newest beaglebone black image to another microsd card to play around with the 3.14 kernel in the long run
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  • [14:34:20] <Tenkawa> greetings all
  • [14:34:37] <Tenkawa> any 4.0-rc adventurers yet on the bbb?
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  • [14:34:56] <Tenkawa> if so.. thoughts?
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  • [14:54:59] <KotH> Tenkawa: http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/30
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  • [15:00:46] <cityoflights2> I have issues with using wifi-direct with ath9k_htc and the 3.19 kernel
  • [15:01:36] <cityoflights2> I also can't connect to the wifi network with the r8188eu
  • [15:01:49] <cityoflights2> the r8188eu used to work on 3.19 rc3
  • [15:02:13] <cityoflights2> I did started to use connman
  • [15:03:04] <cityoflights2> should I try 4.0 to fix the wireless issues?
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  • [15:04:24] <cityoflights2> kernel: R8188EU: ERROR indicate disassoc
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  • [15:12:07] <stt_michael> bloody realtek cards
  • [15:12:34] <Tenkawa> stt_michael: heheh I hear ya
  • [15:12:47] <Tenkawa> I was battling a sdio realtek card this morning
  • [15:13:32] <stt_michael> got a 8192cu based on 8188ctv chip .. got it working with the realtek drivers bodged in my 3.19 RN kernel
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  • [15:19:32] <khancyr> Hi , is https://rcn-ee.net/ down ?
  • [15:20:34] <stt_michael> rcn-ee ... !
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  • [15:20:53] <rcn-ee> khancyr, it's down big time... it stays up for about a minute...
  • [15:20:55] <tbr> http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/rcn-ee.net
  • [15:20:59] <stt_michael> khancyr, what link are you following...
  • [15:21:05] <rcn-ee> pinged, dreamhost...waiting on a fix..
  • [15:21:30] <tbr> ah, already ack'd :)
  • [15:21:30] <rcn-ee> moved the "bootloader"... https://github.com/beagleboard/image-builder/commit/f47615fb32fc1b3ed18fa7f08c6d22bab5ba309c
  • [15:21:44] <rcn-ee> but the "NetInstall" will be completely down....
  • [15:23:26] <khancyr> ok thanks, i was updating my BBB kernel with Nelson script
  • [15:24:53] <rcn-ee> khancyr, hopefully it'll be up soon. (before i find a new host. ;) as it's about a 100GB to rsync.. ) the apt repo is still up.. so depending on what image you have (cat /etc/dogtag) you can update via apt-get..
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  • [15:51:29] <stt_michael> co-location next, rcn-ee ;)
  • [15:52:09] <stt_michael> ./etc/dogtag .. nice
  • [15:53:06] <rcn-ee> stt_michael, well... it's co-located behind my cable modem. ;)
  • [15:55:07] <stt_michael> hehe
  • [15:55:08] <stt_michael> nice
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  • [16:07:13] <HeXtor> hi
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  • [16:19:15] <HeXtor> fellas, I am having lose information problem when I save information into sd_card of the BBB. Someone knows a guide to store information in SD card?
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  • [16:27:29] <stt_michael> are you 'sync' ing before unmounting?
  • [16:27:37] <stt_michael> or unmounting at all :)
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  • [16:29:11] <stt_michael> also, are you sure the filesystem buffers have flushed and the files are closed so the intended data has actually been written to disk
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  • [16:39:27] <HeXtor> y i am using sync, but about unmounting, the device have a power down button that disable the BBB and i don´t have time to unmount :/
  • [16:41:19] <rcn-ee> HeXtor, are you just touching the power button, or holdign it for more then 5 seconds?
  • [16:41:32] <rcn-ee> by touching it, systemd should properlly umount everything and shutdown..
  • [16:41:42] <rcn-ee> if you hold it, it's the same as yanking power...
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  • [16:43:39] <HeXtor> thx for the info but is not he power button of the BBB itself, is form one battery that yanking power. So i am figuring it out what is happening..
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  • [16:46:43] <rcn-ee> HeXtor, seems obvious... unless you tell the system, your yanking power... file corruption will occur..
  • [16:49:20] <HeXtor> yep, i will think how solve this. thx dude!
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  • [17:11:31] <carlosfelipe29> HI, When I reflash a BBB, Do I lose the information or files in my /home Directory?
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  • [17:12:34] <tbr> yes
  • [17:12:46] <thurgood_> yes, it overwrites the filesystem
  • [17:14:14] <carlosfelipe29> I need to know before do it, or change and IMG from uSD booting. Due to My BBB does not boot only blink USR0 led, maybe because repetitively wrong shut down.
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  • [17:17:10] <tbr> carlosfelipe29: then boot from µSD first. don't use a flasher image.
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  • [17:21:12] <carlosfelipe1981> How I do a booting from µSD without lose the info on my emmc?'
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  • [17:22:09] <stt_michael> carlosfelipe1981, suggest perhaps use a uSD card for your /home partition and mount at boot via your /etc/fstab
  • [17:22:21] <carlosfelipe1981> I I use beagleboneblack-save-emmc, but the BBB does not blink any led when I pushed the S2 (boot switch), any copy was done..
  • [17:23:25] <carlosfelipe1981> The problem is: when I connect my BBB, is not recognize, even as a mass storage. but there is a USR0 led blink continusly
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  • [17:24:00] <stt_michael> Drivers, drivers, drivers.
  • [17:24:25] <stt_michael> either usb_gadget for linux or windoze beagle driver
  • [17:24:39] <tbr> carlosfelipe1981: use a regular debian image. NOT a flasher image.
  • [17:24:52] <carlosfelipe1981> Until yesterday I was working normally, but somethign crash, I have not any access, even from browser.
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  • [17:26:50] <carlosfelipe1981> I could be safe, if I use a debian image Debian from latest images of the site. ?
  • [17:27:52] <carlosfelipe1981> with this king of booting, Do I keep the info inside the Emmc?
  • [17:28:12] <tbr> as long as it does NOT say flasher...
  • [17:29:50] <carlosfelipe1981> thank you,
  • [17:30:29] <carlosfelipe1981> But what does the image debian booting from the uSD does on the Beagle ??
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  • [17:30:57] <carlosfelipe1981> sorry my doubts I fairly new on this embebed system.
  • [17:31:22] <tbr> then you can follow standard procedure for /any/ linux system
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  • [17:31:55] <tbr> e.g. mount or fsck the filesystem
  • [17:31:59] <tbr> copy files, etc
  • [17:32:29] <carlosfelipe1981> This could work bone-debian-7.8-lxde-4gb-armhf-2015-03-01-4gb.img Once I can rebooting, of course I use the linux comands.
  • [17:32:48] <tbr> yes, that looks like it should work
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  • [17:33:58] <carlosfelipe1981> I apprecite your help. why beagleboneblack-save-emmc does not work, is there a HW or SW problem.
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  • [17:37:40] <carlosfelipe1981> Is there a way to save first my files from Emmc, And After that change the kernel or system that boot from the emmc?
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  • [17:48:07] <cityLights> https://rcn-ee.net/ is not responding
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  • [17:48:30] <tbr> yes, known problem
  • [17:48:32] <rcn-ee> cityLights, yeap it's dead... ....
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  • [18:11:43] <cityLights> rcn-ee how to upgrade kernel then?
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  • [18:18:06] <cityLights> hmm.. 4 reached rc3
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  • [18:22:18] <benjie_> i bought a used bbb it has ubuntu 12.04lts installe but there is no gui how do i get that up
  • [18:23:01] <thurgood_> apt-get
  • [18:23:23] <thurgood_> or flash a new OS onto the emmc
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  • [18:31:57] <benjie_> ive tried flashing with sd card and not working how do i get into root when i done apt-get upgrade it say could not open lock file permission denied
  • [18:32:26] <thurgood_> sudo ?
  • [18:33:11] <thurgood_> generally you don't want to assume root as in ubuntu, but I'll leave that to your discretion
  • [18:33:22] <thurgood_> sudo su will let yo u become root
  • [18:33:49] <thurgood_> err as a user in ubuntu
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  • [19:07:19] <rcn-ee> cityLights, the goal is to get everything (kernel upgrades/etc) just running on repos.rcn-ee.net as that's seperate..
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  • [19:46:33] <frankperl29> good morning guys.
  • [19:50:04] <frankperl29> I have being working on a project with BBB, for some reason, maybe it unplugged in a bad way, It doesn´t start or booting, in the screen showed something like ( omap_hsmmc mmc.5 of_parse_ohaldke_.. or bone-capemgr hid-generic) but not process the kernel. What I have to do about??
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  • [20:09:42] <tbr> frankperl29: is there any final error message?
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  • [20:13:02] <frankperl29> if I shutdown in a bad way a BBB, what happen?, it does not boot again ??
  • [20:15:24] <woglinde> you can screw the filesystem yes
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  • [20:28:59] <mwillbanks> using the image-builder scripts, how does one specify a locally built kernel or does it have to be in a package manager somewhere?
  • [20:29:23] <mwillbanks> simply put need to change the nowayout on the watchdog :-/ but have to recompile the kernel to do so
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  • [20:43:10] <rcn-ee> mwillbanks, it's still sorta in there, take your custom deb, stick somewhere in a directory like: https://github.com/RobertCNelson/omap-image-builder/blob/master/configs/ros_hydro.conf#L36
  • [20:45:21] <rcn-ee> but i'd take a patch for installing a local deb, just got to wire it up in scripts/chroot.sh, cp it to the chroot, and run sudo dpkg -i linux-image*.deb....
  • [20:53:44] <frankperl29> Hi, guys, If I boot from a uSD an image like bone-debian-7.8-lxde-4gb-armhf-2015-03-01-4gb, do I lose my files on the /home directory inside the Emmc??, or I can give them back.
  • [20:54:03] <woglinde> uhm sunxi has to deal with musb too
  • [20:54:24] <rcn-ee> frankperl29, that'll run stanadlone, then just mount your eMMC and save what you need..
  • [20:54:37] <_av500_> just dont run a flasher
  • [20:54:55] <rcn-ee> frankperl29, as long as the file name doesn't say "flasher" you'll be fine..
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  • [20:55:33] <_av500_> aynway, dont save valuable files on the emmc
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  • [20:58:06] <rcn-ee> woglinde, maybe Hans' will find some latent shared bug in the process.. ;)
  • [21:07:06] <frankperl29> Thanks a lot. I will do that.
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  • [21:14:53] <frankperl29> I can boot a img from the USB port, not from uSD ??
  • [21:20:23] <rcn-ee> frankperl29, no...
  • [21:20:38] <rcn-ee> but with the 'newest' image, you can mount your eMMC via u-boot to your pc...
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  • [21:20:44] <rcn-ee> (over usb)
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  • [21:27:04] <GenTooMan> anyone use the case from logic supply? I wished it was bigger but I would say it would be at the very least usable for some things.
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  • [21:48:03] <samael> is there a way to hook the execution of a certain command after the loading of a specific cape overlay done by capemanager?
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  • [21:55:39] <plaw> someone killed elinux.org :( *VANDALS... HOMEWRECKERS!!!* ;)
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  • [22:06:16] <tbr> oh, that might be due to a recent problem at OSUOSL
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  • [22:20:45] <plaw> tbr: ah, doesn't worry me that much. I realise it's all a big community effort. Just figured I should mention it here. Thanks for the ack, though :)
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  • [22:43:55] <cityLights> so I try to build r8188eu from the git source
  • [22:44:22] <cityLights> did anyone manged to use wifi direct with the BBB?
  • [22:44:39] <cityLights> I need it to have miracast working
  • [22:44:49] <woglinde> why not use adhoc?
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  • [22:46:10] <veremit> eww
  • [22:46:14] <veremit> hostapd :)
  • [22:46:36] <cityLights> talking to me/
  • [22:46:37] <cityLights> ?
  • [22:46:42] <veremit> cityLights .. might have to d/l the realtek drivers
  • [22:47:13] <cityLights> I started trying with ath9k_htc - it didnt work for me
  • [22:47:29] <cityLights> managed to build wpa_sup and connman fine
  • [22:49:00] <cityLights> veremit: did you get p2p wifi to work?
  • [22:49:35] <veremit> i've only just managed to get basic association working with my 8192cu driver .. but it seems ok
  • [22:50:04] <cityLights> got this again: kernel: R8188EU: ERROR indicate disassoc
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  • [22:53:58] <veremit> is that one of the staging drivers still?
  • [22:54:17] <veremit> ^^ cityLights
  • [22:54:46] <cityLights> R8188EU is from the staging
  • [22:54:52] <veremit> *nods*
  • [22:55:04] <cityLights> I build my own from the source, looks better, no p2p
  • [22:55:44] <cityLights> no, once you try to enable p2p in connman, the wifi disappears
  • [22:56:12] <cityLights> and I see this
  • [22:56:13] <cityLights> kernel: R8188EU: ERROR indicate disassoc
  • [22:57:21] <veremit> maybe you need to load the module with some oprions
  • [22:57:34] <veremit> s/r/t
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  • [22:59:34] <veremit> I had to do some kernel bodgery to get my boss's laptop intel wifi to work -sigh-
  • [22:59:55] <veremit> at least there is a fair bit online to refer ti
  • [22:59:59] <veremit> to*
  • [23:00:30] <veremit> since wifi seems to be a necessity these days
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  • [23:47:29] <cores> "do not attach serial cable before the board is powered on"
  • [23:47:30] <cores> oops
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  • [23:50:43] <veremit> Congratulations on your new beagle doorstop :D
  • [23:50:47] <veremit> just kiddin :D
  • [23:50:57] <veremit> hehe
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  • [23:57:36] <endrift> yeah the beaglebone is pretty bad as a doorstop
  • [23:57:50] <endrift> (jk I've never tried that)
  • [23:58:56] <veremit> I had a beagle doorstop, but I sent it back for repair :)
  • [23:59:12] <ds2> the RJ-45 gives it a nice slope
  • [23:59:21] <veremit> lol @ ds2