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  • [00:29:43] <zmatt> GenTooMan: NOTHING WRONG WITH, EVERYONE KNOWS IT MAKES TEXT SO MUCH EASIER TO READ
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  • [00:29:51] <zmatt> ;)
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  • [00:35:18] <nerdboy> OR AN OLD FORTRAN GEEK
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  • [00:36:49] <nerdboy> EQUIVALENCE foo bar <= WTF were they thinking?!?
  • [00:36:54] <zmatt> modern fortran is quite okay though
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  • [00:57:32] <GenTooMan> Fortran 99 not your grandpa's fortran!
  • [00:58:02] <zmatt> I mean fortran 2008
  • [00:58:46] <GenTooMan> Details. I suppose 55 year old languages need updates too?
  • [00:58:57] <zmatt> there's no f99 btw, you might mean f95
  • [01:00:04] <GenTooMan> Don't use it just taking a random stab at what Might be a crude number. It's kind of weird though they are using dates for everything since windows 95
  • [01:00:45] <zmatt> I'm pretty sure Fortran 77 predates Windows 95 ;-)
  • [01:01:19] <zmatt> (Fortran 90 too for that matter)
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  • [01:03:08] <GenTooMan> You are too much into fortran for my own good. ;)
  • [01:03:40] <zmatt> hehe, not really
  • [01:04:46] <zmatt> but I've had some contact with it, and I was kind of amused that it's still very much a living language (there's even a 2015 revision upcoming)
  • [01:05:10] <zmatt> even support object-oriented programming and stuff nowadays
  • [01:05:14] <zmatt> *supports
  • [01:05:48] <GenTooMan> Hopefully not as badly as Perl does.
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  • [01:12:13] <zmatt> hey, I happen to like Perl
  • [01:13:12] <bwarff> "ooh there is a key i havent used" perl design philosophy
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  • [01:17:41] <GenTooMan> I like Perl Pre 5 at 5 it was OOP? or OOPs? I hated the OOP part. 4 was great used it to generate postscript programs and all sorts of strange stuff.
  • [01:18:24] <GenTooMan> Everyone has a favorite language I guess :D
  • [01:19:37] <veremit> perl is a toolbox not a language .. lol :p
  • [01:19:41] <bwarff> perl is fine aslong you use it all the time.
  • [01:20:02] <tamarin> perl is never fine. :P
  • [01:20:04] <bwarff> coming in blind after monthsof disuse its a nightmare of squiggle squark
  • [01:20:06] <veremit> and yet I use it too often :p
  • [01:20:31] <veremit> not by choice, I admit
  • [01:21:27] <bwarff> my choice of language is based on the test of not looking at the codebase for 6 months and then getting a panic call at midnight when your drunk.. perl fails that test.
  • [01:23:21] <veremit> lol .. good call bwarff
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  • [01:26:10] <zmatt> maybe you should try using comments? ;)
  • [01:26:27] <veremit> oo harsh ..
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  • [01:26:55] <GenTooMan> I've found Perl to be very powerful for the right purpose. If used for the wrong purpose it sucks. :D
  • [01:27:25] <zmatt> any language sucks when used for the wrong purposes
  • [01:27:34] <veremit> ofc
  • [01:27:36] <zmatt> (in case of php, that would be any purpose whatsoever)
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  • [01:28:32] <veremit> lol .. see, everyone got their favs/hates :p
  • [01:28:49] <rlmccormick> as long as we can all agree emacs sucks it's all good
  • [01:28:51] <GenTooMan> Yes I used Perl to convert assembly languages between 2 processors with 99% functional code. It would have taken too long by hand for the number of project conversions.
  • [01:28:53] <zmatt> actually I need to correct myself
  • [01:29:06] <zmatt> PHP is an excellent choice for demonstrating poor programming techniques
  • [01:29:18] <veremit> zmatt .. but php is all OVER the web :p
  • [01:29:39] <veremit> like it or not .. seems to do a job
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  • [01:29:58] <zmatt> and plenty of harm in the process
  • [01:30:00] <GenTooMan> I would nominate Javascript for bad programming practice exacerbator. (sound dirty).
  • [01:30:23] <zmatt> given that it actively hinders rather than encourages secure programming techniques
  • [01:30:41] <GenTooMan> I used PHP ... once.
  • [01:30:59] <zmatt> like, in Perl you'd get shot down if you interpolate a variable into an SQL query instead of using a placeholder
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  • [01:32:05] <zmatt> in PHP land it's still standard practice, and it actually seems non-trivial to do otherwise
  • [01:32:56] <veremit> every language has its quirks though .. and I prefer a good typed language to perl
  • [01:34:02] <tamarin> er, MySQLi is defacto php land.
  • [01:34:34] <tamarin> Unless you're in one of those super high tech shops that use pdo.
  • [01:34:46] <zmatt> (oh, and rather funny, PHP's comparison operators aren't transitive... in fact you can find a,b,c such that a<b && b<c && c<a )
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  • [01:36:42] <zmatt> tamarin: and mysqli::query / mysqli_query doesn't support placeholders for example :)
  • [01:37:19] <GenTooMan> I use SQLite not very muchh but it's a bit better written just my opinion AND it doesn't have dangling attachments since it can be used in comercial products.
  • [01:37:26] <tamarin> http://php.net/manual/en/mysqli-stmt.bind-param.php
  • [01:37:50] <veremit> 1.4
  • [01:37:55] <veremit> d'oh wrong keybiard
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  • [01:38:38] <GenTooMan> I hates it when me keybeard goes eh wure! Sorry I am making fun of south carolina accents I am ashamed.
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  • [01:39:46] <zmatt> tamarin: yes, which requires at least 3 steps to execute one statement
  • [01:40:06] <tamarin> zmatt: ... and?
  • [01:40:08] <zmatt> which means that, people being lazy, they'll take the easy route and interpolate
  • [01:40:08] <tamarin> hm
  • [01:40:26] <tamarin> zmatt: No. It's PHP. They'll just make random functions. :P
  • [01:41:04] <bwarff> php and mysql deserve eachother
  • [01:41:20] <bwarff> both have nasty implicit behaviorus retards like and coders hate
  • [01:42:00] <zmatt> javascript has fun bits too
  • [01:42:12] <bwarff> yes, more implicit garbage in that
  • [01:42:26] <tamarin> I don't node what you mean.
  • [01:42:28] <zmatt> plus, thorough use of UTF-16, always a delight
  • [01:42:42] <bwarff> anyting that swallows errors and ignores types
  • [01:43:00] <zmatt> seen this talk? https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat
  • [01:43:39] <zmatt> it's actually non-trivial why JS exhibits the behaviour they show there :)
  • [01:43:49] <zmatt> *he shows there
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  • [01:50:52] <zmatt> (with the {} + cases javascript's implicit semicolon kicking in, thinking the {} is an empty block, hence the + becomes a prefix operator to numerify the right hand side)
  • [01:51:01] <zmatt> *kicks in
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  • [01:51:40] <bwarff> twitch
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  • [01:52:08] <zmatt> and of course [] stringifies to "" which numifies to 0
  • [01:52:22] <zmatt> while +"[object Object]" ends up NaN
  • [01:53:03] <zmatt> wonderful language
  • [01:53:15] <bwarff> if "0" + 0 doesnt error, walk away slowly.
  • [01:53:46] <bwarff> no sudden movement, just smile and nod and backaway
  • [01:54:16] <zmatt> a colleague of mine has a book on the shelf "Javascript: The Good Parts" ... I couldn't help but notice it was a rather small, thin book
  • [01:54:32] <agmlego> 6 pages.
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  • [01:57:03] <zmatt> bwarff: I suppose you also don't like that in Perl you can make values whose numerical value and string representation are unrelated? like $! contains errno when used as number and strerror(errno) when used as string :)
  • [01:57:27] <zmatt> (and that's even without operator overloading being involved)
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  • [01:58:35] <imanpakii> Hi every one
  • [01:59:02] <bwarff> $_-> ~ is enough to hurt before i worry about behaviour
  • [01:59:11] <imanpakii> can any body tell me where is the DTS files in new BBB located?
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  • [02:00:19] <rcn-ee> imanpakii, /boot/dtbs/$(uname -r)/
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  • [02:08:13] <GenTooMan> Well people were complaining about C and NULL pointer assignment the other day. I asked them if they had considered what you could do for the alternative, that turned into "C++" solutions (I wanted to smack them).
  • [02:09:36] <agmlego> I have a simple solution to null pointers.
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  • [02:13:52] <bwarff> the simple solution to pointer problems is anyone that gets confused by pointers should be using python/c# or one of the other higher level langs that hides them
  • [02:13:54] <GenTooMan> I suppose I could make a macro called DULL? :D
  • [02:14:23] <GenTooMan> Those people have to ride in cars instead of Drive them ;)\
  • [02:14:37] <agmlego> bwarff: That was my argument. Use a language that does not have them.
  • [02:14:45] <agmlego> GenTooMan: Harsh.
  • [02:15:25] <bwarff> the analogy is building a car versus driving it i think :)
  • [02:15:30] <bwarff> the enduser just rides.
  • [02:15:56] <bwarff> not everyone should be building memory mangement and datastructures the way c makes you
  • [02:16:01] <agmlego> ^^^
  • [02:16:27] <agmlego> And not everyone who can wants to.
  • [02:16:31] <agmlego> <-
  • [02:16:39] <GenTooMan> Well ... and not everyone who wants too can? :D
  • [02:16:59] <agmlego> Sure.
  • [02:18:02] <bwarff> ive seen a shitload of bad linked lists in c code, c#/pythons highly tuned dynamic arrays eat them alive
  • [02:18:29] <bwarff> alot of people program c that really dont have the baseline skills to replicate those bits
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  • [02:22:01] <GenTooMan> I am not in favor of bad comparisons. Very few people can write good code. Regardless of the language. Knowing the language helps a lot and knowing it's weaknesses is also good. Sadly I make lots of typos instead of logical errors. :d
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  • [02:25:05] <bwarff> there is no winner in that argument anyway.. we would get nothing done if everyone handrolled baremetal os's and all the support libs
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  • [02:28:27] <GenTooMan> Hmm well someone was 'advertising' a baremetal library system that could quickly target new SoC's didn't hear much after a month though.
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  • [02:30:29] <GenTooMan> I've noticed people are greedy and tend to think with the cell phone philosophy with software "I bought a cell phone for $30 why can't you make one for that?"
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  • [02:31:48] <bwarff> well cheap phones is why we now having rocking little SOC arm boards for stuff all $
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  • [02:36:49] <GenTooMan> Those phones aren't that cheap, no cell phone costs $30, even now. Kind of what I was getting at you either pay up front or pay a bit at a time so you don't notice. The initial money you pay is just technically ernest money. The same goes with software. Integrating everything together reduces interconnect cost but it still isn't free. The actual cost of the phones are in the park of $60 and the "free" phones are just taken
  • [02:36:49] <GenTooMan> out of the monthly contract (think installments).
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  • [02:38:05] <GenTooMan> I always hate malls where people attack you to sell you cell phone contracts (sigh).
  • [02:38:48] <GenTooMan> Anyhow their is nothing free. IT takes time, where you choose to do what is important is all I'm saying.
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  • [02:40:10] <GenTooMan> So Beagle Boards :D By the way this chat forum is a godsend when I can't connect the dots on the wiki. Thanks for pointers people.
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  • [02:42:25] <veremit> well I shelled out $300+ on my last new phone retail ..
  • [02:42:31] <veremit> and that was an Old model
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  • [02:43:48] <GenTooMan> apple or samsung? :D
  • [02:43:55] <veremit> aren't iPhones somewhere nearer $600-700 - that's just ridiculous
  • [02:44:01] <veremit> samsung ofc :p
  • [02:46:05] <GenTooMan> Yes apple phones are expensive but they do more testing and spend more engineering $ than typical (LG for example) Samsung spends more engineering $ as well. It takes time to make quality products, Apple takes more care in their products having learned that with the Apple 3 netwon and the Lisa.
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  • [02:47:10] <veremit> an inputs Service eh? sounds novel ..
  • [02:48:48] <Evan__> I keep getting an IOError (Errno 11) and I can only continue to read the analog inputs if I reset the board (power off and back on). I was hoping to find whatever script is responsible for this in order to simulate a reboot.
  • [02:50:24] <veremit> Evan__ what are yo using to read your analog inputs?
  • [02:51:07] <Evan__> I'm using the Adafruit BBIO library, the program is in python.
  • [02:54:15] <veremit> ok
  • [02:54:49] <Evan__> The error says that resource is temporarily unavailable if that helps...
  • [02:56:05] <zmatt> that's EAGAIN... that's normally not an error at all
  • [02:56:18] <zmatt> at least I think that's EAGAIN ?
  • [02:56:32] <Evan__> Can you explain what EAGAIN is?
  • [02:56:37] <veremit> I gotta eat .. bbiaf :)
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  • [02:58:11] <zmatt> Evan__: on a non-blocking file descriptor it indicates read/write (whichever gave the error) is currently not possible
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  • [02:58:22] <zmatt> it's given when a blocking file descriptor would block
  • [02:58:42] <GenTooMan> so it's accessing via /dev the A2D channels?
  • [02:58:49] <bwarff> can you poll/select it before using it
  • [03:00:07] <zmatt> it looks like it opens the file, reads it, and closes it again
  • [03:00:12] <zmatt> via sysfs
  • [03:00:25] <zmatt> (i.e. the slowest possible way on earth to read the ADCs)
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  • [03:00:48] <zmatt> why'd they bothered doing this in C rather than in python...
  • [03:00:52] <zmatt> https://github.com/adafruit/adafruit-beaglebone-io-python/blob/master/source/c_adc.c
  • [03:01:25] <bwarff> that adafruit wrapper is woeful from the bit i saw
  • [03:01:44] <Evan__> so...when it throws that error, it's cuz that file is already in use by something else?
  • [03:01:47] <bwarff> the i2c one was a shit layer over smb that just swallowd erors
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  • [03:02:00] <Evan__> anyone know what file would be?
  • [03:02:04] <zmatt> Evan__: I have no idea why you're getting that error, it doesn't make much sense
  • [03:02:51] <zmatt> it's also possible an incompetent driver author used EAGAIN appropriately
  • [03:02:59] <zmatt> *inappropriately
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  • [03:03:39] <Evan__> anyone know of a way to read the scripts that are executed during boot?
  • [03:03:57] <zmatt> which scripts are you referring to?
  • [03:04:42] <Evan__> i guess i'm not entirely sure...whatever script is responsible for setting up either that BBIO ADC library or the analog inputs for the board.
  • [03:04:45] <bwarff> syslog or dmesg should capture most of the output
  • [03:05:24] <veremit> Evan__ I don't believe there are Any 'setup' scripts (which would normally reside in /etc/init.d) for the ADC or GPIOs
  • [03:05:26] <zmatt> Evan__: the ADC library doesn't require any setup, it literally just opens the relevant readout file in sysfs, reads it, and closes it again... you could just as easily do it from python
  • [03:05:43] <veremit> zmatt +1
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  • [03:06:30] <zmatt> it does seem to try to load a cape for it, but I don't think that's needed (at least iirc the ADC entries were there without doing so)
  • [03:06:55] <Evan__> do you know where that readout file would be located?
  • [03:07:05] <zmatt> grr, can't reach the bbb at the office to check (it still has a reasonably normal install)
  • [03:07:42] <zmatt> hold on, I'll boot the one here
  • [03:07:51] <Evan__> Thanks!
  • [03:08:18] <zmatt> but I'm using a very recent debian so I'm not sure if things are the same on a typical BBB
  • [03:08:47] <GenTooMan> would it make a difference between versions? B/C
  • [03:09:00] <zmatt> no
  • [03:09:05] <Evan__> I'm using debian as well, set it up a couple months ago...
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  • [03:09:53] <zmatt> ah, crap it's not in this mainline dts (and no overlays yet in this 3.19.0-bone3 kernel)
  • [03:10:16] <zmatt> can anyone else hunt for it? saves me from having to switch to a 3.8 kernel :P
  • [03:10:22] <GenTooMan> <zmatt> I see your point curiosity made me cry err look at the library ... if you can call it that. would the default boot for the B work? I have 3 sitting next too me :D
  • [03:10:25] <zmatt> I think /sys/bus/iio/devices/*
  • [03:10:50] <Evan__> let me look...
  • [03:10:58] <zmatt> or maybe class instead of bus
  • [03:11:03] <GenTooMan> would cat /sys/bus/iio/devices/AIN0 etc work?
  • [03:11:17] <zmatt> no I don't think the files are called that
  • [03:11:29] <zmatt> just look around in sysfs :P
  • [03:11:49] <zmatt> once you found the adc, the right files to open are iirc fairly obvious
  • [03:12:21] <Evan__> in /sys/bus/iio/devices/* i have a bunch of files called "in_voltageX_raw" where x is from 0 to 7. Looks like that might be it
  • [03:13:19] <zmatt> yup, you can also resolve the symlink and look around in the neighbourhood (e.g. the parent) to see if there's anything interesting there
  • [03:13:36] <zmatt> depending on the driver version there may be config stuff
  • [03:13:49] <zmatt> but iirc you could simply cat the voltage from the file
  • [03:14:18] <zmatt> and normally with sysfs entries you can get a fresh reading by seeking to offset 0 (rather than having to close and reopen)
  • [03:14:40] <zmatt> note btw that still, sysfs is slow as fuck, it's meant for configuration -- not any significant amount of data transfer
  • [03:15:24] <Evan__> Yeah, i'm only reading the value from voltage divider to adjust the position of a servo so speed isn't a huge concern
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  • [03:15:41] <zmatt> though with this ADC driver it doesn't matter much probably, I read somewhere it has an abysmal max sample rate
  • [03:16:13] <GenTooMan> Hmmm I guess you could use it for measuring thermistors and humidity sensors that are filtered heavily.
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  • [03:17:42] <zmatt> there's also http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/AM335x_ADC_Driver%27s_Guide but iirc many of the stuff they describe there wasn't present on the BBB I inspected, it's possible only parts of it are mainlined
  • [03:18:22] <zmatt> wtf, I hope those limitations aren't still true, because they're really sad
  • [03:18:46] <veremit> just get an arduino to do the ADC and i2c the data across ;)
  • [03:18:48] <zmatt> max 8 Ksps, no simultaneous capture on multiple channels, wtf
  • [03:18:57] <zmatt> the hardware can do up to 1.6 Msps
  • [03:19:11] <veremit> zmatt .. the drivers are abysmal
  • [03:19:15] <zmatt> no shit
  • [03:19:19] <veremit> TI need a nuke.
  • [03:19:44] <zmatt> time to mmap() /dev/mem again I guess :P
  • [03:19:48] <GenTooMan> path of least resistance. I didn't use TI supplied 'grace' poo for msp430 for that very reason.
  • [03:20:57] <veremit> Evan__ .. don't let us put you off though, if it works for your application adequately ..... ;)
  • [03:20:58] <zmatt> yeah I've seen some TI driver code... like whoever wrote the Starterware UART driver and example should consider a different profession than embedded programming, gardening maybe
  • [03:21:13] <veremit> zmatt ... skydiving without a parachute?! rofl ..
  • [03:21:52] <Evan__> so...i think i'm still a little confused about how to read the voltge values from the files in /sys/bus/iio/devices/*. Are the in_voltage0_raw files just text files?
  • [03:21:59] <zmatt> yup
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  • [03:22:13] <veremit> seriously .. the Bad embedded programmers can all go live on that planet with lawyers and the other lot (hhgttg ref)
  • [03:22:14] <Evan__> and you read those by...
  • [03:22:17] <zmatt> almost everything in sysfs is plaintext
  • [03:22:33] <zmatt> you read them like any other text file
  • [03:22:39] <zmatt> in the shell just cat 'em
  • [03:23:04] <zmatt> in any programming language, treat them as regular text files
  • [03:23:07] <GenTooMan> crap can't find my tty to serial cable ...
  • [03:23:45] <veremit> GenTooMan .. bought a new one this week after exactly that problem
  • [03:24:00] <veremit> often worth keeping 2/3 :)
  • [03:24:25] <Evan__> when i do cat /sys/bus/iio/devices/iio:device0/in_voltage0_raw, i get another error "resource temporarily unavailable"
  • [03:24:48] <zmatt> what distro and kernel version?
  • [03:25:08] <zmatt> and at the very least that means the driver was incompetently written
  • [03:25:15] <zmatt> but we knew that already :P
  • [03:25:40] <bwarff> in python: fp = open(blah,'r'); value = float(fp.read())
  • [03:25:53] <zmatt> what else is in /sys/bus/iio/devices/iio:device0 ? there may be something you need to configure or enable for things to work around
  • [03:26:00] <zmatt> or
  • [03:26:06] <Evan__> linux version 3.8.13-bone50
  • [03:26:18] <Evan__> debian 4.6.3-14
  • [03:26:29] <zmatt> given that apparently the driver doesn't support multiple readers, maybe some program is already reading the ADCs and thereby keeping them busy?
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  • [03:28:30] <veremit> debian 4??
  • [03:28:44] <veremit> thought we were on 7.8 ?
  • [03:29:05] <Evan__> that directory also has "dev" "name" "power" "subsystem" and "uevent"
  • [03:29:10] <veremit> or perhaps that the image name :)
  • [03:29:27] <zmatt> Evan__: ok, no config
  • [03:29:33] <zmatt> that's what I remembered
  • [03:30:00] <Evan__> how can we tell if something else is already reading the ADCs?
  • [03:30:44] <GenTooMan> I've got blink lights (sigh) sorry I have 2 units from work blinking at me along with a BBB and well lets just say it looks like christmas tree lights suddenly here
  • [03:31:23] <zmatt> bone50 .. that's also pretty old
  • [03:31:42] <zmatt> the beagleboard/linux github has no tag older than -bone62 :/
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  • [03:32:31] <Evan__> bummer...i didn't think the installation was that old...would updating help?
  • [03:32:36] <veremit> zmatt .. I was just gonna say that
  • [03:32:39] <veremit> just checkin the github
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  • [03:34:53] <zmatt> https://github.com/RobertCNelson/bb-kernel/tree/3.8.13-bone50
  • [03:35:08] <zmatt> ok let's see what the adc driver in there looks like...
  • [03:35:49] <ds2> AFU
  • [03:36:05] <twoten> I have a debian image on my sd and my bbb is running nicely, any suggestions for which toolchain I should install for qt creator?
  • [03:36:40] <ds2> the stock ADC driver can only be described as AFU
  • [03:37:06] <veremit> ds2: alternatives? :)
  • [03:37:17] <Evan__> AFU?
  • [03:37:25] <GenTooMan> Almost Freaking Useless?
  • [03:37:39] <twoten> all forked up
  • [03:37:46] <veremit> GenTooMan . no, thats the musb ;P lol
  • [03:38:02] <Evan__> all fucked up? got it :)
  • [03:38:18] <veremit> should be CFU .. completely ***
  • [03:38:19] <GenTooMan> <veremit> Well it was thrown together looks like
  • [03:38:24] <ds2> veremit: write your own or fix it... it is on the GSoC project list
  • [03:38:37] <ds2> not CFU... parts of the code can be salvaged
  • [03:38:39] <veremit> ds2: good candidate for GSoc
  • [03:39:00] <zmatt> to be honest, I don't see why you'd do this in kernelspace at all
  • [03:39:12] <veremit> zmatt .. simplicity?! lol
  • [03:39:12] <ds2> I don't see any reason to NOT do it in kernel space
  • [03:39:44] <twoten> I downloaded the gcc-linaro toolchain, do I just unpack it and point qt at the folder? it's huge
  • [03:39:53] <ds2> you could hack up the driver to get it to give you data
  • [03:39:55] <GenTooMan> TI has a wireless stack called simpliciTI ... don't mention that in polite conversation though
  • [03:39:56] <Evan__> unfortunately i don't have the time (or know-how) to rewrite it? is teh same ADC driver used in later images?
  • [03:39:57] <veremit> twoten .. yes it will be huge :p
  • [03:40:03] <ds2> I did it for my needs
  • [03:40:05] <zmatt> ds2: kernel programming has a high entry-barrier
  • [03:40:19] <veremit> zmatt .. I don't think linux was really written with real-time IO in mind ...
  • [03:40:22] <ds2> zmatt: kernel programming has one of the lowest entry barrier of all the things I have tried
  • [03:40:38] <veremit> ds2: I would politely disagree :)
  • [03:40:40] <twoten> maybe I can toss out the mips and Z80 stuff, 6502 ...
  • [03:40:46] <veremit> but its reasonably well documented :D
  • [03:40:51] <ds2> most of the app crap has much much much higher barriers of entry
  • [03:40:59] <zmatt> ds2: o.O
  • [03:41:07] <ds2> that includes, Android, X, QT, etc....
  • [03:41:17] <ds2> kernel is nothing but straight forward
  • [03:41:17] * veremit continues to disagree lol
  • [03:41:27] <veremit> but i guess its what you're used to :p
  • [03:41:35] <ds2> write C and it works. non paradym dejour to fight with
  • [03:41:59] <veremit> ds2: its a pity more people don't write C ..
  • [03:42:09] <veremit> its a bit "old-fashioned" these days
  • [03:42:32] <zmatt> mostly C++ here (though most C++ programmers would have trouble recognizing it as such ;)
  • [03:42:48] <twoten> I like c, but first I'll have to malloc some memory
  • [03:43:08] <zmatt> (given that my code generally has zero dependency on libstdc++)
  • [03:43:14] <veremit> twoten .. dont' forget to Free afterwards ;)
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  • [03:43:17] <Evan__> what if there was a way to kill any process using the ADC resources so my python program could use them instead?
  • [03:43:45] <zmatt> Evan__: maybe lsof?
  • [03:44:06] <GenTooMan> oi zmatt forgot about that! great tool that.
  • [03:44:27] <Evan__> is that a command?
  • [03:44:44] <veremit> I can't imagine there are any 'processes' besides your app using the ADC .. except for the core processor functions which you cannot access
  • [03:45:01] * zmatt will probably look into directly fiddling with the ADC from userspace in very nearby future since cow-orker was complaining about the low sample rate
  • [03:45:22] <veremit> but even then .. most micro's have a registered buffer so it can write whilst you're reading for exactly this reason
  • [03:45:46] <GenTooMan> how fast a sample rate does the coworker need? Is he doing something like SDR with the converter output? :D
  • [03:45:46] <Evan__> even if i kill my python program and restart it, i get the same "resource temporarily unavailable" message. Only restarting the board fixes it.
  • [03:45:49] <veremit> something fishy is going on .. and the driver is probably the problem
  • [03:46:08] <veremit> I suspect its hanging accessing something and doesn't "let go"
  • [03:46:23] <veremit> hence a hard reset is required
  • [03:47:16] <twoten> what toolchain should I use? (bbb newbie)
  • [03:47:27] <zmatt> or the python program is just leaving a child process :P
  • [03:47:31] <zmatt> or something
  • [03:48:03] <veremit> twoten .. you can build your own ;P or use linaro
  • [03:48:35] <zmatt> I'm looking at the driver though ... the only EAGAIN I see is on timeout waiting for the adc to sample
  • [03:48:46] <zmatt> which is already a very wrong use of the error code
  • [03:49:10] <Evan__> :( i really just need a quick and dirty fix for this...
  • [03:49:15] <twoten> I have linaro unpacked already on rootfs, what do I do next?
  • [03:49:31] <zmatt> Evan__: are you sure you're not just leaving behind some process?
  • [03:49:43] <zmatt> still running and polling the adc
  • [03:49:43] <Evan__> how can i check that?
  • [03:49:56] <zmatt> euh, ps f -fe usually gives a nice view
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  • [03:51:12] <Evan__> is there anything that would indicate its using the ADC driver? what should i be looking for?
  • [03:51:35] <veremit> "man lsof"
  • [03:51:37] <GenTooMan> <twoten> sorry I cannot help you and I'm have concious too :D
  • [03:51:42] <zmatt> veremit: you're cruel
  • [03:51:52] <veremit> me? no... lol
  • [03:52:01] <zmatt> that's like saying "man screen" or such
  • [03:52:27] <zmatt> (ok, lsof is still quite a bit shorter, but still)
  • [03:52:30] <veremit> fuser is the other 'process' test tool
  • [03:52:46] <GenTooMan> ?anyone help twoten?
  • [03:53:11] <veremit> twoten .. are you cross-compiling or on host ?
  • [03:53:14] <Evan__> not seeing anything immediately obvious from ps f -fe
  • [03:54:08] <veremit> holy crap .. man lsof is a frickin book .. *facepalm* ok scratch that
  • [03:54:08] <zmatt> ok, I'm not getting anywhere staring at this driver... I don't know the kernel well enough, I don't know the iio framework at all, and I don't really know that much about the ADC yet either :P
  • [03:54:17] <zmatt> veremit: hehehehehe
  • [03:54:32] <zmatt> now you understand my comment :)
  • [03:54:40] <veremit> zmatt : point noted :p
  • [03:55:49] <veremit> zmatt , Evan__ .. maybe http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2012/08/lsof-command-examples/ is more appropriate .. :p
  • [03:56:18] <twoten> I have a wheezy laptop with emdebian installed, and qt runs fast enough on the bbb that I thought to make it a standalone dev system too
  • [03:56:38] <twoten> maybe I'm delirious
  • [03:57:02] <veremit> twoten .. I would suggest that building/compiling apps is quicker on a meatier system :) but it is doable .. you'lljust be waiting longer :)
  • [03:57:52] <twoten> and if I start dropping big qt components in there it will slow down fast
  • [03:58:00] <Evan__> I don't have lsof installed and can't currently connect the bone to the interwebs...sorry
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  • [03:58:05] <veremit> twoten .. can you not run qt creator direct on the beagle .. how does that work?
  • [03:58:12] <veremit> Evan__ .. bugger.
  • [03:58:26] <veremit> twoten .. if you have gcc and qmake installed .. should work?
  • [03:58:28] <ds2> C++ is a major can of worms
  • [03:58:30] <bwarff> ive used an odroid as a dev system, not sure id have the patience for doing so on the beagle.. its cruelty to small animals
  • [03:58:43] <veremit> bwarff: :)
  • [03:58:49] <twoten> yes, qt on the bbb needs a tool chain, qt on the wheezy laptop has one already
  • [03:59:01] <veremit> twoten .. apt-get install build-essential ?
  • [03:59:07] <ds2> <--gets stuck debugging other people's mystery crash from using C+
  • [03:59:17] <veremit> ds2: gdb ftw :P
  • [03:59:26] <twoten> did that, up to date qt says no compiler that I can see
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  • [03:59:45] <ds2> gdb is a PITA on Android
  • [03:59:51] <ds2> yes, native C++
  • [04:00:26] <veremit> twoten .. did you read this (take with pinch of salt .. may be outta date..) .. http://derekmolloy.ie/beaglebone/qt-with-embedded-linux-on-the-beaglebone/ ?
  • [04:01:13] <twoten> I'm half way through, he strays a lot off topic
  • [04:01:19] <veremit> *nods* ok
  • [04:01:36] <zmatt> ds2: C++ is vile and evil, but I'm addicted to the syntax sugar it brings :$
  • [04:01:50] <twoten> I'll plug away, I'm making great gains
  • [04:01:57] <zmatt> plus, some sad excuse of a bit of type inference in later versions
  • [04:02:01] <bwarff> i used to hate c++ but if you avoid the smelly bits it can just be a cleaner c
  • [04:02:13] <Evan__> Alright, i'm gonna have to give up for the night. thanks for the help folks!
  • [04:02:30] <ds2> zmatt: memory corruptions in C++ is downright nasty
  • [04:02:34] <twoten> same here
  • [04:02:43] <ds2> things happen without things being written to happen
  • [04:02:48] <zmatt> well most of my C++ is baremetal code where I never bothered to assign a memory region as heap, hence no malloc() or new
  • [04:02:56] <zmatt> somehow that makes memory corruption less common
  • [04:02:57] <zmatt> ;)
  • [04:03:24] <zmatt> but
  • [04:03:44] <zmatt> tracking memory corruption is exactly something watchpoints are very useful for
  • [04:04:02] <ds2> there are so many implicit ways memory allocation can happen
  • [04:04:06] <veremit> twoten .. google is letting me down .. seems the preferred way is to cross-compile ..
  • [04:04:13] <ds2> inhereited classes can be doing crap
  • [04:04:33] <zmatt> ds2: well, I know that's not happening in my code since I'd get a linker error :P
  • [04:04:42] <ds2> watchpoints works if you can get the problem to happen with a debugger attached
  • [04:05:01] <zmatt> you can use watchpoints even without jtag
  • [04:05:08] <ds2> zmatt: you also don't have a team of folks insisting on using the nastier features
  • [04:05:23] <veremit> twoten .. I can see a couple of options with angstrom/yocto .. but you'd have to translate the package names and tools :/
  • [04:05:30] <zmatt> as long as dbgen is asserted, linux has armv7 watchpoint support apparently
  • [04:05:31] <ds2> zmatt: have you tried attaching debuggers to native code on Android?
  • [04:05:52] <veremit> twoten .. if it were me .. I think I'd just grab the 'cross-compile' route .. seems fairly well-trodden now :)
  • [04:06:09] <veremit> ds2: sounds ... like hell .. lol
  • [04:06:20] <zmatt> ds2: http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-omap/msg116038.html
  • [04:06:50] <veremit> "it SHOULD work .. " ahahaha :\
  • [04:06:51] <zmatt> ds2: I actually managed to get DBGEN asserted on am335x by self-jtagging via the control module, and someone else got it to work also on omap3 (openpandora)
  • [04:07:15] <zmatt> ds2: (he wanted watchpoints, that's how this thread got started)
  • [04:09:10] <zmatt> I'm really proud of the technique I discovered, it's so gross :D
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  • [04:15:05] <twoten> veremit: I'll compile on the laptop then shoot the code over, I got webmin working on the bbb, very nice
  • [04:15:27] <veremit> twoten : good good :)
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  • [04:25:21] <zmatt> a simple solution for the ADC would really be to hook it up to DMA to cyclically overwrite some fixed buffer in memory, and allow it to be mmap()ed for readout
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  • [04:25:57] <zmatt> gets you the freshest ADC values at any time just by reading memory, and no irqs that need to be serviced at all
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  • [04:34:28] <veremit> zmatt : sounds sensible enough
  • [04:34:40] <veremit> double-buffer just in case
  • [04:35:10] <zmatt> double-buffer is useless unless you intend to synchronize to the adc sampling
  • [04:35:15] <zmatt> which opens up a whole can of worms
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  • [04:38:00] <veremit> well you don't want to get blocking issues, is what I'm thinking ...
  • [04:38:17] <veremit> but perhaps dma will get round that anyway .. never used it myself
  • [04:38:32] <zmatt> who blocking on what?
  • [04:38:39] <ZeekHuge> i have pcm1680 (converts I2S to parallel data ), can i use it directly on the BeagleBone I2S pins to get the audio output, by default ? without any EEPROM ?
  • [04:38:45] <zmatt> dma just copies data from adc to buffer (on adc's signal)
  • [04:39:04] <zmatt> you just read the buffer whenever you like
  • [04:39:23] <zmatt> new samples overwrite the previous ones (for the same channel)
  • [04:42:22] <ZeekHuge> any idea with tha ?
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  • [04:43:10] <ZeekHuge> *that ?
  • [04:43:54] <veremit> ZeekHuge .. for input/output .. you've confused me ..
  • [04:44:05] <veremit> zmatt .. ok my bad somewhere :p
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  • [04:48:14] <veremit> ZeekHuge .. my understanding is the I2S bus contains the audio data .. although, perusing the datasheet (particularly p29) .. seems to suggest there is an option for a codec maybe?
  • [04:51:14] <veremit> ZeekHuge .. looking myself also at http://www.edn.com/design/consumer/4390981/Common-inter-IC-digital-interfaces-for-audio-data-transfer-
  • [04:51:34] <veremit> I should think that would Just Work(tm)
  • [04:57:00] <veremit> ZeekHuge .. oh my bad. . that chip has multiple i2s channels on it . . ok.
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  • [05:01:15] <veremit> ZeekHuge .. and my final contributin for tonight .. http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/Sitara_Linux_SDK_Audio_DAC_Example .. good luck! :)
  • [05:02:00] <veremit> since it's all tI stuff .. should be pretty noddy
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  • [05:03:46] <veremit> nite all I-)
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  • [05:37:28] <mano> HI
  • [05:37:54] <mano> hi friends,
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  • [05:53:36] <ds2> hmmm? use the FIFO
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  • [06:25:27] <tars01> hi , i need to connect my waveform generator to my beaglebone and display the voltage values
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  • [06:25:46] <tars01> can it be done via connecting it to ADC pins of BBB
  • [06:25:48] <tars01> ?
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  • [06:50:18] <zacts> hi
  • [06:50:29] <zacts> I'm wanting to get started in beagle development
  • [06:50:43] <zacts> I'm mainly interested in contributing to Minix3 on the beagle products
  • [06:50:58] <zacts> and potentially OpenBSD, or FreeBSD/NetBSD
  • [06:51:32] <zacts> I'm wondering which beagle board guide books I should read, and what version of which beagle board / bone I may want to check out?
  • [06:51:59] <zacts> let me read the /topic too
  • [06:52:35] <tbr> most likely you will want to get a BBB
  • [06:53:03] <zacts> oh cool
  • [06:53:10] <zacts> is revision C a good version?
  • [06:53:32] <tbr> it's the only revision you can get
  • [06:53:51] <zacts> ah ok
  • [06:54:09] <zacts> hum.. so I wonder which kit I should get for it
  • [06:54:34] <zacts> I'm mainly concerned with: installing an OS on it. networking. and possibly a wifi device.
  • [06:54:49] <tbr> kernel work?
  • [06:54:55] <zacts> should I get one of the starter kits for it?
  • [06:54:57] <zacts> indeed kernel work
  • [06:55:01] <zacts> and tinkering
  • [06:55:16] <tbr> do you own a 3.3V reference level UART cable?
  • [06:55:19] <zacts> also, I may get two BBB's one for a personal irssi + ssh server and one for tinkering with
  • [06:55:25] <zacts> hum.. let me check I may
  • [06:55:31] <zacts> I got some ardunio stuff recently
  • [06:55:40] <tbr> commonly referred to as "FTDI cables"
  • [06:56:02] <tbr> note that arduino uses 5V reference, but some cables either have a jumper or a switch
  • [06:56:52] <zacts> hum.. I guess I actually don't have any of those cables
  • [06:57:09] <zacts> so I"m here http://www.element14.com/community/community/designcenter/single-board-computers/next-gen_beaglebone?CMP=TI-HomePage-BBB
  • [06:57:20] <zacts> I wonder which kit I should consider getting
  • [06:58:11] <zacts> or maybe even one of the kits on amazon
  • [06:58:35] <zacts> I was looking at this one http://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-BeagleBone-Black-Development-Kit/dp/B00O27WCDU/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1425625100&sr=8-6&keywords=beagle+bone+black
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  • [07:05:54] <tbr> if you go for convenience, sure
  • [07:06:18] <zacts> ok
  • [07:06:36] <zacts> so what are the minimum pieces I need to just install a server of beagle bone black?
  • [07:06:53] <zacts> I know I want a case, and the motherboard of course, + power supply, and USB cabe.
  • [07:06:58] <zacts> what are the other essentials
  • [07:07:03] <zacts> I will be using ether net for my server
  • [07:07:54] <tbr> for the server that's all you need
  • [07:08:11] <tbr> for kernel work you will need a "FTDI usb thing"
  • [07:09:40] <zacts> would the amazon link I just posted provide that?
  • [07:09:59] <zacts> is that the cable, or the extension chip device, you are referring to?
  • [07:10:16] <zmatt> usb to 3.3V serial, for the console
  • [07:10:59] <zmatt> (it still pisses me off they didn't connect the hw cts/rts... they're not even in use for a different purpose, but left not-connected on both serial header and processor)
  • [07:11:44] <zacts> zmatt: yeah, but just the cable? or do I need a BBB extension device? http://www.amazon.com/3-3V-Debug-Cable-BeagleBone-Black/dp/B00FA7LD0Y/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1425625876&sr=8-1&keywords=beagle+bone+black+ftdi <- is this fine?
  • [07:11:51] <zacts> eek, I'll use tinyurl next time
  • [07:12:00] <zacts> I forgot amazon links are ultra long
  • [07:13:29] <zmatt> you may want to read the comments
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  • [07:13:59] <zacts> ah
  • [07:14:02] <zacts> yeah, it sucks
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  • [07:14:43] <zmatt> it looks like this is a clone of the FTDI cable... not sure how you could botch that considering how few components it has, yet...
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  • [07:15:51] <adj> even worse, might be using fake ftdi chip
  • [07:15:58] <tbr> any USB-serial cable with 3.3V should work
  • [07:16:03] <tbr> even with a fake FTDI ;)
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  • [07:16:24] <adj> unless you are using those ftdi drivers which set usb vid/pid to zero
  • [07:16:46] <tbr> someone ported that to linux, it was hi-larious
  • [07:16:52] <zmatt> lol
  • [07:16:54] <adj> haha
  • [07:16:56] <zacts> I don't know a good vendor site from where I can purchase a good cable
  • [07:17:01] <zacts> I'm searching
  • [07:17:22] <adj> of course, there's a linux program to reset pid/vid on those fake chips, but still
  • [07:18:26] <zmatt> tbr: someone did submit a patch to recognize bricked devices -> https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-usb@vger.kernel.org/msg50762.html
  • [07:18:49] <zacts> oh I searched the products on the beagleboard.org
  • [07:19:59] <zacts> TL-232R-3V3-WE
  • [07:20:03] <zacts> ^ would this model work?
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  • [07:20:35] <zacts> or perhaps TTL-232R-3V3
  • [07:20:54] <zacts> the first one has individual wires. the second one has an adapter it looks like
  • [07:20:58] <zmatt> -WE is wire-end.... if you lke soldering :P
  • [07:21:18] <zmatt> http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBone_Black_Serial
  • [07:21:25] <zmatt> you can find links to the right cable there
  • [07:21:27] <zacts> oh I would prefer to not solder
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  • [07:21:32] <zacts> ah let me check it out
  • [07:22:17] <zacts> ah cool thanks
  • [07:22:21] <zacts> so I'm looking at http://www.ftdichip.com/Products/Cables/USBTTLSerial.htm
  • [07:22:43] <tbr> adj: https://plus.google.com/111049168280159033135/posts/BMr8stMQ9FJ
  • [07:22:47] <zmatt> there's also the link at the bottom on the page if you want something that sticks out less
  • [07:22:51] <zmatt> https://www.tindie.com/products/spirilis/beaglebone-black-ftdi-friction-fit/
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  • [07:23:44] <zmatt> (normal ftdi cable pretty much excludes the possibility of plugging in any cape)
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  • [07:24:22] <zacts> ah ok
  • [07:24:52] <zmatt> no experience with it though, it looks... finnicky
  • [07:25:44] <zacts> hum..
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  • [07:26:09] <zacts> http://www.ftdichip.com/Support/Documents/DataSheets/Cables/DS_TTL-232R_CABLES.pdf
  • [07:26:13] <zacts> how does this one look?
  • [07:26:50] <zmatt> TTL-232R-3V3 you mentioned is the correct one
  • [07:27:44] <zmatt> (without any suffix)
  • [07:30:04] <zacts> http://tinyurl.com/o2n9ns9
  • [07:30:10] <zacts> zmatt: ^ how does this look?
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  • [07:35:26] <tars01> everytime i try to connect my analog input to PIN40 and run the program , it says , "invalid or locked AIN file"
  • [07:36:24] <tars01> help anyone
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  • [07:41:22] <ErikO> hi
  • [07:41:43] <ErikO> i get "space on sd card" error
  • [07:41:45] <tbr> tars01: "the program"?
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  • [07:41:53] <ErikO> when trying to install ftp server
  • [07:41:59] <ErikO> how can this be fixed?
  • [07:42:10] <tbr> ErikO: which distro are you running on the board?
  • [07:42:24] <ErikO> 1.7 gid debian
  • [07:42:31] <ErikO> from 2014
  • [07:42:35] <ErikO> got it from the site
  • [07:42:44] <tars01> i am running a sample program tbr
  • [07:42:49] <tbr> and you're running from SD or microSD?
  • [07:42:57] <ErikO> micro
  • [07:43:12] <tbr> tars01: well, we know nothing about your sample program, how about reading the ADC value directly from sysfs?
  • [07:43:13] <ErikO> it 8 gig card
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  • [07:43:34] <tbr> ErikO: ok, then you probably just need to resize the filesystem/partition
  • [07:43:46] <ErikO> how?
  • [07:43:48] <tbr> there is probably even a ready to use script on the card
  • [07:44:04] <ErikO> why is not done so from the start?
  • [07:44:12] <ErikO> where is the scirpt? name?
  • [07:44:36] <tbr> ErikO: here, I googled this for you: http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:Expanding_File_System_Partition_On_A_microSD
  • [07:44:44] <ErikO> i did that
  • [07:44:49] <ErikO> that fails
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  • [07:45:18] <tbr> can you be more verbose?
  • [07:45:27] <tbr> keep in mind that we don't see your screen
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  • [07:46:12] <ErikO> is ftp server installed by default?
  • [07:46:28] <ErikO> and vsftpd ? will it work on beaglebone... original
  • [07:46:29] <ErikO> ?
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  • [07:47:55] <tbr> hardware runs software, yes
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  • [08:38:25] <zmatt> oh wow, the adc actually has a separate data port for DMA transfers... why the fuck doesn't the kernel driver use DMA
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  • [08:43:57] <zmatt> I think the adc can genuinely sustain 1.6 Msps, yet people are having trouble getting above 1 ksps
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  • [08:45:50] <tbr> zmatt: oh, interesting :)
  • [08:46:13] <tbr> I guess someone within TI wrote the current driver and nobody bothered to look at it
  • [08:47:33] <zmatt> or they looked at it and thought AAAAAGH MY EYES
  • [08:49:45] <tbr> yes, vendor kernel code, keeping the suppliers of mindbleach™ in business, ever since linux 1.x
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  • [08:49:59] <zmatt> hehehehe
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  • [09:32:16] <jim__> What is the maximum datatransfer rate of USB in BeagleBone Black
  • [09:33:19] <jim__> when i connect my webcam with BBB and trying a program it says "select timeout"
  • [09:33:28] <jim__> and no image is captured
  • [09:33:32] <zmatt> probably a power issue
  • [09:33:58] <zmatt> BBB can't supply as much as some devices want
  • [09:34:04] <zmatt> use a powered hub
  • [09:35:25] <jim__> i tried but the camera is on and the output in terminal is "select timeout" with VIDIOC_QUERYMENU: Invalid argument
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  • [09:36:28] <jim__> for every frame "select timeout" appears
  • [09:36:50] <Humpelstilzchen> jim__: does the cam work in your linux pc?
  • [09:37:25] <jim__> yes I am having fedora 20 in PC. it works well in that
  • [09:37:37] <jim__> i used cheese in PC
  • [09:38:23] <jim__> i am working with OpenCV in BBB
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  • [09:38:44] <Humpelstilzchen> what resolution are you trying and what kernel are you running?
  • [09:39:47] <samael> i have a doubt about the "exclusive-use" syntax in the dts files. after the pin list declaration, which is pretty clear, i find another list, often commented as "/* the hardware IP uses */" which is not fully clear to me. in details, what are the correct values to choose from, that should be put there? and what does "IP" stands for in the comment?
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  • [09:40:12] <Haran_Banjo> Hi, do you know how to make a fedora image boot with an uenv.txt? fedora21 doesn't come with a uEnv.txt and requires the user to push the boot button
  • [09:42:30] <jim__> I am using the same Debian OS which comes with BBB. I just tried the videocapture OpenCV code. I didn't specify any resolution. I am using logitech c270 webcam
  • [09:42:51] <Humpelstilzchen> jim__: uname -a?
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  • [09:44:20] <jim__> you want me to type that and tell the details?
  • [09:44:33] <Humpelstilzchen> yes
  • [09:45:43] <jim__> ok pls wait im connecting my board
  • [09:47:01] <jim__> Linux beaglebone 3.8.13-bone47 #1 SMP Fri Apr 11 01:36:09 UTC 2014 armv7l GNU/Linux
  • [09:47:20] <jim__> i got that line
  • [09:48:42] <Humpelstilzchen> jim__: ok personally I'ld try to a new kernel and/or check the cam resolution or lower it. Lowering the resolution is a good thing anyway for cpu intensive opencv tasks
  • [09:50:08] <jim__> ok. i'll reduce the resolution and try. New kernel means? changing the os using new boot image?
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  • [09:51:55] <Humpelstilzchen> jim__: try http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian
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  • [09:55:20] <jim__> ok. i tried with 640x480 same error. but works with 320x240.
  • [09:56:25] <Humpelstilzchen> hmm 640x480 should usually do...
  • [09:57:32] <jim__> where is the problem?
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  • [10:56:46] <zacts> ok I ordered a couple of bbb
  • [10:56:50] <zacts> and that cable
  • [10:56:54] <zacts> I can't wait
  • [10:57:15] <zacts> and apparently I discovered I already had a cable after I ordered one
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  • [11:00:49] <woglinde> zacts good you will jave two now
  • [11:01:10] <woglinde> zacts are sure that the cable you already have supports 3,3V?
  • [11:01:25] <zacts> woglinde: hum.. I belive it's 3.3v
  • [11:01:27] <woglinde> infact we are speaking about the serial cable
  • [11:01:31] <zacts> but, I'll have to double check.
  • [11:01:37] <zacts> the new one I ordered is for sure 3.3v
  • [11:01:46] <zacts> and verified here to be the correct cable
  • [11:02:11] <woglinde> I have a cheap one where I can switch btw. 3,3 and 5
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  • [11:09:05] <zacts> oh nice
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  • [11:26:14] <KotH> hoi woglinde
  • [11:26:23] <KotH> komme stei?
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  • [11:41:18] <samael> has the -@ patch been accepted upstream to dtc? or should i still use rcn's dtc.sh script to install it on a bbb?
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  • [11:54:56] <mdp> samael: no, use rcn's script
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  • [11:56:53] <woglinde> hi koth long time not seen
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  • [11:58:13] <KotH> woglinde: yes,... i ended up in a 3rd wordl country, where internet is "neuland"
  • [11:58:29] <woglinde> romania?
  • [11:58:36] <KotH> almost
  • [11:58:40] <KotH> germany
  • [11:59:06] <woglinde> so no choclate
  • [12:00:24] <KotH> actually, local karstadt has läderach (under its german brand name)
  • [12:00:49] <KotH> alternatively i can just go to karlsruhe and get some real läderach there
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  • [12:23:21] <_av500_> woglinde: saarbrücken, not really germany
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  • [13:33:04] <harsh> hello everyone ... i have a question ... how can i install opencv on my stock BBB ?
  • [13:33:36] <harsh> my os for BBB is angstrom !
  • [13:35:17] <tbr> you'd probably want to reflash with debian
  • [13:35:26] <tbr> not just because of opencv
  • [13:36:50] <harsh> tbr: so debian already has opencv ?
  • [13:37:21] <tbr> debian is currently the best supported distribution on the bbb
  • [13:37:38] <tbr> also it should have _a_ version of opencv
  • [13:38:09] <harsh> okay ... let me check
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  • [13:40:12] <woglinde> tbr its not the latest
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  • [13:40:23] <woglinde> and normaly you want the latest opencv version
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  • [13:42:07] <tbr> woglinde: yes, hence the _a_, but if he needs to build opencv for the bbb, then cross-compiling for debian should be easier
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  • [13:42:42] <woglinde> easier if you are into it
  • [13:42:44] <woglinde> ;)
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  • [13:55:35] <harsh> guy ... opencv comes preinstalled in the new angstrom distribution
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  • [13:55:49] <harsh> i just ran a program and its running fine
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  • [13:56:21] <harsh> its opencv version -2.4.2
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  • [14:17:26] <mit> Hi, I am having a problem with GUI of Beagle Bone Black. I did VNC to BBB with ultraserver viewer but could not find any interface to open a terminal. Shortcut key of ctrl+alt+T does not work either. Could somebody help me with this?
  • [14:18:22] <KotH> does the default image even run vnc or an x server?
  • [14:18:31] <KotH> also, why C-M-t ?
  • [14:18:39] <KotH> that combination shouldnt do anything
  • [14:18:54] <tbr> maybe it does in some display manager?
  • [14:19:08] <tbr> like unity or such
  • [14:19:35] <KotH> also, using the nick "mit" as a student of umich is kind of confusing
  • [14:20:42] <mit> thanks, what do you mean why C-M-t?
  • [14:20:53] <mit> sorry for the confusion, mit is for mitch
  • [14:21:19] <KotH> ctrl+alt+T = C-M-t
  • [14:21:31] <KotH> in the language of the gods ;)
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  • [14:23:09] <mit> I see :). I did following on BBB so I think the vnc is running. x11vnc -bg -o %HOME/.x11vnc.log.%VNCDISPLAY -auth /var/run/lightdm/root/:0 -forever
  • [14:24:09] <mit> I am using ultravnc viewer on my laptop and x11vnc on BBB.
  • [14:24:34] <woglinde> look at the log file
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  • [15:03:38] <sim__> Hey, does anyone know if there is an debian linux image for the BB that has hibernation enabled?
  • [15:04:20] <tbr> I'd be surprised if that worked, or even simple S3
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  • [15:04:44] <tbr> (I haven't tried and don't know)
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  • [15:05:15] <sim__> What do you mean with S3?
  • [15:06:35] <thurgood_> sleep state
  • [15:06:50] <sim__> Hibernation should be possible in general. It's just that I only find people talking about compiling your own kernel. Unfortunatly I can't do that. I need to install a lot of beaglebones and need to keep them up to date. I don't want to compile my own kernels and distribute them to alle devices.
  • [15:08:43] <tbr> you could always ask rcn if he could enable that feature in his kernels
  • [15:09:02] <tbr> it would make it more likely if you'd be able that it is actually going to work
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  • [15:11:40] <sim__> the developer?
  • [15:12:54] <ogra_> no, the philosopher
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  • [15:20:51] <tbr> sim__: yes, the guy who maintains the debian images for the BBB
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  • [15:26:15] <tbr> speaking of the devil :)
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  • [15:28:27] <rcn-ee> sim__, the "3.14" kernel supports "suspend to ram"... If you want hibernate, start down that path.. otherwise good luck!
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  • [16:25:11] <tars01> help !! i am reading my ANI pins and its giving me a random value
  • [16:25:42] <tars01> i havent connected anything on those ports
  • [16:26:42] <_av500_> connect something
  • [16:27:39] <tars01> i want to connect my signal generator to my probes , its still giving the same output
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  • [16:32:41] <tars01> when i connect my signal generator pins to it , it gives a error "Error while reading AIN port. Invalid or locked AIN file.'orarily unavailable: '
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  • [17:19:20] <tars01> IOError: [Errno 11] Resource temporarily unavailable: 'Error while reading AIN port. Invalid or locked AIN file.'
  • [17:19:30] <tars01> what does this error mean ?
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  • [19:23:29] <jkridner> hi nerdboy
  • [19:24:50] <jkridner> nerdboy: we have another gsoc chat IRC channel at #beagle-gsoc
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  • [20:46:30] <jkridner> :-D
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  • [21:13:35] <boB_K7IQ> Anybody know if there is a ready made BBB app for say, displaying pics as a slideshow ? Kind of like one of those "picture frames" ?
  • [21:14:06] <boB_K7IQ> I would think it could be a simple mount the SD card and play the pic files in a timed manner
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  • [21:15:26] <nerdboy> run debian and xscreensaver?
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  • [21:15:40] <nerdboy> has several photo display modules...
  • [21:15:59] <boB_K7IQ> Ahhh ! That's it !
  • [21:15:59] <nerdboy> well, anything with X would do...
  • [21:16:24] <boB_K7IQ> I'll take a look at that which kinda sounds what I was thinking of... Just thinking of cool apps for anybody
  • [21:16:59] <boB_K7IQ> thanks
  • [21:17:52] <_av500_> remember, its linux
  • [21:21:46] <boB_K7IQ> I didn't think of a "screensaver".... Not that we really need those to save our CRTs anymore but that would probably work fine for this
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  • [21:22:32] <_av500_> saving CRTs was overrated back then
  • [21:22:38] <_av500_> flying toasters FTW!
  • [21:23:29] <Mikaela> beagle powers flying toasters?
  • [21:23:37] <Mikaela> oh, the screensaver, I see
  • [21:23:37] <Mikaela> night
  • [21:25:53] <_av500_> nite nite
  • [21:25:58] <_av500_> dltbbby
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  • [21:33:09] <jkridner> +1 to flying toasters.
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  • [21:35:37] <_av500_> :)
  • [21:37:58] <veremit> +2 to talking flying toasters ...
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  • [22:11:10] <GenTooMan> +3 to virtual flying toasters that explode?
  • [22:14:25] <veremit> +1 to GenTooMan :)
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  • [22:16:31] * nerdboy points out the toasters are older than windows 3...
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  • [23:46:37] <meanpuppy> hey guys, which programming language do you all suggest I start with on the beaglebone? Is there much libraries for mono setup already?
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  • [23:52:24] <meanpuppy> test
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  • [23:54:53] <nerdboy> bonescript is an obvious one...
  • [23:55:18] <nerdboy> there python sensor/gpio interfaces
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  • [23:59:05] <meanpuppy> thanks nerdboy, hmm, maybe I'll try creating my own mono library for interfacing GPIO