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  • [00:00:19] * Set by jkridner!~jkridner@pdpc/supporter/active/jkridner on Wed Oct 22 00:02:16 UTC 2014
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  • [00:42:34] <ds2> wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee speech recog finally working half decent (w/o mcasps or usb!)
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  • [01:10:13] <emeb> pwm?
  • [01:10:36] <emeb> ds2: ^
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  • [01:46:43] <k-man> hi
  • [01:47:27] <k-man> is there a stereo adc with 96khz or higher sample rate that works with the BBB?
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  • [02:01:29] <Teewrecks> Any assistance connecting bbb via hdmi? I am getting the initial login screen, but then the signal times out
  • [02:07:05] <idwer> I could come up with plenty causes, but let's start with swapping the hdmi cable
  • [02:08:37] <Teewrecks> I've done that actually, tried two different brands and an adapter that downsized the traditional hdmi to micro
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  • [02:09:48] <Teewrecks> Also tried scaling my resolution to known compatible sizes with two different televisions
  • [02:10:34] <idwer> don't know (I'm not using native hdmi atm) - dvi seems to drive the signal decently enough (spelling?)
  • [02:10:47] <GumShoe> Anyone know of documentation to run cloud9/examples/extras/simulator.html ?
  • [02:11:57] <Teewrecks> Sorry GumShoe, I'm just beginning my foray into the wonderful world of coding
  • [02:12:57] <GumShoe> I get this error http://pastebin.com/pAthJzKE
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  • [11:14:29] <ruben-ikmaak> hi, anyone from the BeagleBone dev team present?
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  • [11:29:56] <shaz> Hi, Can we use the default u-boot in eMMC to boot kernel from SD card by overriding bootcmd in uEnv.txt? I am using BB-black.
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  • [11:36:45] <julemand101> shaz: it will boot on the sd card if there is no bootloader on the eMMC
  • [11:37:01] <julemand101> don't know if this is a solution for you
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  • [12:04:43] <ruben-ikmaak> does anyone know who i should ping to get a hold of a BB dev?
  • [12:05:34] <jacekowski> just ask your question here
  • [12:05:48] <jacekowski> somebody will answer it when they see it
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  • [12:12:18] <shaz> julemand101: I know of this option but I was of the opinion that if we edit uEnv.txt than maybe we could leave the eMMc undisturbed.
  • [12:12:51] <ruben-ikmaak> I heard a rumor of a new BB, so i wanted tto ask http://ikmaak.nl/eenblog/2015/01/15/beaglebone-green/
  • [12:14:35] <shaz> julemand101: Something like: bootcmd=mmc rescan ; fatload mmc 0 0x80008000 kernel-bin in uEnv.txt
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  • [12:18:48] <vvu> ruben-ikmaak: maybe they are bb certified, like the element14 beagles. just an assumption :)
  • [12:19:02] <ruben-ikmaak> still it sounds cool
  • [12:19:15] <ruben-ikmaak> and it looked like an announcement to me...
  • [12:21:48] <GumShoe> When I run from cloud9 I get a message
  • [12:21:52] <GumShoe> Starting PHP built-in web server, serving https://undefined/Support/BoneScript/demo_oscilliscope.html.
  • [12:22:11] <GumShoe> Where might I define 'undefined' ?
  • [12:22:43] <tbr> ruben-ikmaak: BBB is OSHW, so seedstudio can go and spin their own board, calling it beaglebone would have certain implications as that's a trade mark IIUC
  • [12:23:01] <tbr> ruben-ikmaak: there is a compliance requirement for the latter, check the bb.org page
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  • [12:23:19] <ruben-ikmaak> also, isnt the element14 thing just the same board, and this one is different design
  • [12:23:39] <tbr> there is zero information beyond what you posted, so hard to say
  • [12:23:46] <ruben-ikmaak> there is the beaglebone compliant for the element
  • [12:24:09] <tbr> the element14 is a 100% clone and compliant.
  • [12:24:20] <ruben-ikmaak> well, if they have a design that adds hardwareports, that should change the board layout
  • [12:24:46] <tbr> as said, it's OSHW and they can do whatever they want
  • [12:25:06] <ruben-ikmaak> so if they would indeed alter the design, they would have a harder time to be BBcompliant
  • [12:25:10] <tbr> and it needs zero input/approval from the entity behind bb.org
  • [12:25:31] <tbr> it only matters if they want to be compliant or such
  • [12:25:35] <ruben-ikmaak> that is why i was talking about codename
  • [12:26:05] <ruben-ikmaak> they could call it bb alike or such
  • [12:26:16] <tbr> bascially what I'm trying to say is, you won't get answers here
  • [12:26:20] <ruben-ikmaak> and just call it the SeeedBone
  • [12:26:50] <ruben-ikmaak> if there was a dev here, i could ask him if someone contacted them
  • [12:27:20] <ruben-ikmaak> that was the reason for my initial q
  • [12:28:53] <tbr> try asking on the ML and don't ask for "devs" as those people don't call themselves such.
  • [12:29:17] <ruben-ikmaak> how would they describe themselves?
  • [12:29:20] <tbr> or go through the proper contact channels. I bet those are outlined on the bb.org page
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  • [12:31:04] <ruben-ikmaak> ok, i'm looking
  • [12:31:41] <GumShoe> I wonder if the 'undefined' is in a cloud9 runner config, or some external config in say /etc/xxx
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  • [12:48:20] <shaz> Setting bootdelay=-1 gives gives uboot shell which is equally useful. Lets try bootcmd now.
  • [12:49:08] <shaz> It should be possible to load kernel or uboot from this uboot shell.
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  • [12:57:21] <shaz> Uboot is checking for uSD so it means kernel can be loaded from it. So just have to try and hit the right commands with right parameters.
  • [12:59:38] <tbr> you can have MLO/U-boot on emmc and boot from sd, sure
  • [12:59:45] <GumShoe> Is there a way to get a more verbose log when running from cloud9 ide?
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  • [13:09:19] <vvu> GumShoe: check the cloud9 systemd service on the board
  • [13:09:26] <vvu> maybe it has an output file for logging
  • [13:10:03] <shaz> tbr: looking for the right command to get non-linix kernel loaded.
  • [13:10:36] <shaz> tbr: Something like: bootcmd=mmc rescan ; fatload mmc 0 0x80008000 kernel-bin in uEnv.txt
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  • [13:25:57] <tbr> shaz: no idea, I'm not a u-boot person
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  • [13:28:27] <shaz> tbr: What else do u specialize in apart from serial adapter?
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  • [13:37:11] <shaz> yup the above command is correct ... just need to verify the addresses and be able to make sure serial console is handled correctly by kernel
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  • [14:20:39] <shaz> the interesting part is that when I inserted a sd card the boot sequence automatically switches to it. This is not documented as far as I googled. No need to hold boot button.
  • [14:22:32] <shaz> uboot cannot find uEnv.txt on sd card. SD card even is'nt formated at the moment. This is a nice behavior.
  • [14:22:57] <shaz> if sd card is present then uboot will load boot environment according to it.
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  • [14:55:49] <honestly> 51
  • [14:55:52] <honestly> whoops, sorrt
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  • [15:19:50] <Rangergeek> Morning all.
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  • [15:24:01] <Rangergeek> Got a question - i have a bbb element14 running debian. I recently noticed my logs were filled with intrusion attempts so i changed the port, enabled RSA logins, disabled root logins, and disabled password logins. SSH is working on 4 of my 5 devices but for some reason attempting to connect with the 5th keeps getting "Connection refused" despite having put the key in "authorized_keys". I also checked to ensure the ip hasn't been
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  • [15:30:43] <supi> some news about the X15 ?
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  • [15:35:18] <tbr> Rangergeek: sounds like more of a debian issue
  • [15:36:00] <tbr> Rangergeek: if you are security conscious, I'd recommend to check if you have the weird e14 debian version or the proper RCNee beagleboard.org version running, as an aside.
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  • [15:39:07] <kerry> hello
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  • [15:51:00] <Rangergeek> tbr: thanks for the response. I actually JUST got it figured out. It appears my work network is now blocking those connections as I couldn't even ping 8.8.8.8 (google). I connected to my vpn and things are working as expected. I will check into the debian versions. :)
  • [15:53:23] <tbr> :)
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  • [16:36:50] <Rangergeek> Maybe someone else will know here. So I was originally a raspberry_pi guy but switched to beaglebone for a little better power and i/o with what I want to do. So I got a BBB and it seemed there was some power management issues with handling my wifi dongle. I thought maybe i wasn't getting enough power but my adapter was 2a and i was usiing a 5v 2a wall plugin and had also tried a 5v 2a portable battery.
  • [16:37:13] <stt_michael> you'll need a powered hub
  • [16:37:28] <stt_michael> it won't run from the beagle on its own
  • [16:37:38] <Rangergeek> I originally tried a micro, but thought maybe a barrel connector would be better so I got that, and same result. Using a multimeter it seemed like the wifi dongle was only getting ~ .2A :(
  • [16:37:43] <stt_michael> so you'll need 2 power adapters .. one for beagle & one for hub
  • [16:37:59] <Rangergeek> Well the goal was that I could make it portable like I had on my pis.
  • [16:38:21] <Rangergeek> Is it just that the beaglebone is more power-hungry and can't support its peripherals as well?
  • [16:38:43] <stt_michael> its just a known trick. I don't think the beagle usb port is designed for "high power" peripherals
  • [16:39:05] <stt_michael> on the pi, its already supplied by a hub chip.. so .. :)
  • [16:39:38] <Rangergeek> Ahh, that must be why. I wish they'd create a more portable-friendly version of the bone then. :)
  • [16:41:19] <stt_michael> there are evaluation boards for the am335x processor, but you'er talking $100 not $30 .. :)
  • [16:41:51] <stt_michael> alternatively, if you want a wifi arm board .. I recommend the wandboard dual-core .. its a bit more expensive, but you got it all onboard :)
  • [16:43:15] <stt_michael> it also takes away a moderate amount of the driver headaches that cheap wifi sticks cause too
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  • [16:53:38] <zmatt> stt_michael: is the am335x EVM *that* cheap?
  • [16:54:03] <zmatt> ah no, didn't think so... TMDXEVM3358 ... $995
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  • [16:55:15] <stt_michael> ok I missed a 0 :)
  • [16:55:38] <stt_michael> just trying ot illustrate a price difference ...
  • [16:56:50] <zmatt> the ICE is a lot cheaper, $189
  • [16:57:11] <stt_michael> what's that?
  • [16:57:42] <zmatt> http://www.ti.com/tool/tmdsice3359
  • [17:00:30] <zmatt> there are actually a lot of am335x eval boards it seems... starterkit ($199 http://www.ti.com/tool/tmdssk3358) has saner connectivity and an LCD touchscreen
  • [17:02:32] <stt_michael> hmm I like the dual ethernet .. ideal for router boards :D
  • [17:02:58] <zmatt> still, I don't see an obvious reason why the BBB wouldn't be able to source power via usb, it's fed from the SYS_5V through a power switch IC
  • [17:03:50] <zmatt> designed for 0.5A
  • [17:04:35] <zmatt> stt_michael: does the dongle just "not work" or does it take down the BBB ?
  • [17:05:03] <zmatt> (the latter indicating the SYS_5V is the limiting factor)
  • [17:05:19] <stt_michael> technically, they work . but they're not reliable from all the reports I've read and official statements
  • [17:05:42] <stt_michael> I think you'll probably find many usb wifi dongles are outside the 0.5A 'spec' of USB
  • [17:05:53] <stt_michael> and I suspect the pmic doesn't quite fully support that 0.5a anyhow
  • [17:06:04] <stt_michael> But .. I could be wrong :)
  • [17:07:01] <zmatt> the power switch I'm referring to is not the PMIC btw but "U8" (TPS2051)
  • [17:08:12] <stt_michael> ah a 2051 .. should be ok then :D
  • [17:08:22] <zmatt> the pmic supports 2A iirc
  • [17:08:24] <stt_michael> iirc .. used similar to those for usb before
  • [17:08:26] <zmatt> but that's for the whole board
  • [17:08:34] <stt_michael> yes
  • [17:08:44] <zmatt> that's why I was wondering if you were taking down the SYS_5V
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  • [17:08:58] <zmatt> if so, better power management of the AM335x and peripherals may free up power for USB
  • [17:09:12] <stt_michael> I haven't done any testing with wifi .. I just use a RJ45 .. works perfect for me ;D
  • [17:09:16] <stt_michael> or my wand
  • [17:09:29] <zmatt> ah sorry my questions should have been directed as Rangergeek
  • [17:09:34] <zmatt> *at
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  • [17:09:44] <stt_michael> people keep wanting the moon on a stick with the beagle/pi .. and its friggin $20-30 !!
  • [17:10:07] <stt_michael> its like trying to run windows on an arduino .. *mutters* ok enough on the soapbox lol
  • [17:10:15] <zmatt> hehehe
  • [17:10:33] <stt_michael> I don't like the pi .. but my beagle is fine for what I need it for
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  • [17:10:53] <stt_michael> and I love my wands :) sound+wifi all on board .. no usb danglies or anything
  • [17:11:01] <stt_michael> Just Works.
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  • [17:11:20] <stt_michael> all from 5V @ 2A ;)
  • [17:11:47] <zmatt> rpi... sucky broadcom chip, armv6 architecture, barely any docs, errata maintained on a wiki since broadcom doesn't publish any, i2c very broken... wonderful place ;)
  • [17:12:17] <zmatt> only reason I might be interested in one is because the rpi allows you to experiment with trustzone, it boots up in secure mode
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  • [17:12:31] <zmatt> while TI annoyingly has ROM lock the place up and throw away the key
  • [17:13:10] <stt_michael> just can't win eh!? lol
  • [17:13:46] <stt_michael> but ye .. they totally missed the point with the Pi .. ok so Eben achieved his key aim .. but missed so many opportunities for creating something totally revolutionary, its not funny.
  • [17:13:58] <stt_michael> I will hand it to him for starting the ball rolling with low-cost arm though.
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  • [17:14:05] <zmatt> (still need to try to exploit the second potential hole in secrom, the first one just led to a pissed-off Secure State Machine hitting the internal "MPU Security Violation" reset)
  • [17:14:15] <stt_michael> oops :/
  • [17:15:43] <zmatt> putting the secure-world MMU tables in publicly accessible RAM didn't seem too bright, but the addresses for entry into secure monitor mode is heavily double-checked by the grumpy SSM, so basically you can just freely choose the cache-policy for that MMU entry but that's all
  • [17:16:00] <stt_michael> over my head lol
  • [17:16:41] <zmatt> still need to do some tests how much performance benefit you gain from unlocking the TLB entries locked by secrom though
  • [17:18:15] <johnwalkr> well i can't officially recommend it
  • [17:18:23] <zmatt> the processor has only 32 entries on data side and 32 on instruction side... if software accesses a page that's not one of the last 32 pages you get a TLB miss
  • [17:18:36] <zmatt> TLB miss penalty is 24 cycles absolute minimum, more in reality
  • [17:18:41] <johnwalkr> but you can use some jumper wires to power the BBB and usb device direclty from your power supply
  • [17:18:53] <zmatt> locking two out of those 32 entries is pretty awful wasteful
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  • [17:19:16] <zmatt> johnwalkr: powering via the battery terminals rather than the DC plug should also help, according to the PMIC's datasheet
  • [17:19:26] <zmatt> but you lose overvoltage protection
  • [17:20:01] <johnwalkr> yeah which is not a big deal if you are just using one device and leaving it there
  • [17:20:18] <johnwalkr> that feature of usb is more because shorts are likely when you are hot plugging stuff all of the time
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  • [17:21:15] <zmatt> you're assuming the usb power switch is the limiting factor, that doesn't seem to be the case
  • [17:22:00] <zmatt> since Rangergeek measured about 200 mA being supplied while the usb power switch can supply 500 mA
  • [17:22:13] <zmatt> if SYS_5V can deliver
  • [17:22:24] <johnwalkr> no i think i just realized we're not quite on the same page though..
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  • [17:23:50] <johnwalkr> in my case i have a 5V supply powering the BBB, and teh same supply goes directly to my usb device, which is not connected to the BBB, it's connected directly to the power supply.
  • [17:23:59] <johnwalkr> i.e. from before the pmic
  • [17:24:39] <zmatt> yeah I understand, but that's a bit more radical and as you said you lose overcurrent protection
  • [17:24:53] <zmatt> even though it's not the overcurrent protection that's causing the limitation here apparently
  • [17:25:36] <stt_michael> I think the issue is more likely a peak/trough which won't be apparent from a steady-state 200mA current reading
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  • [17:25:48] <stt_michael> it needs some serious oscilloscope and current probe testing I feel
  • [17:26:05] <zmatt> might help, although there are fat capacitors in many places obviously
  • [17:26:31] <johnwalkr> yeah i understand that but something in the system is limiting apparently. anyway a hub is a safe and easy way to get around that without drastic measures or lots of troubleshooting
  • [17:27:10] <zmatt> measuring SYS_5V voltage would be helpful to identify the root cause
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  • [17:27:49] <zmatt> but, it stopped raining I think so time to do some shopping
  • [17:28:32] <stt_michael> lol
  • [17:28:36] <stt_michael> have fun
  • [17:31:33] <johnwalkr> really glad i picked the BBB for my project these days. so many other options but they all have some weird closed part. working on a board with 2x am335x and direct camera interfaces and canbus
  • [17:32:54] <johnwalkr> also temped to start with odroid-w though even though they aren't making any more.
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  • [17:55:46] <adam___> Good morning fellas, has anyone tried audio out on kernel 3.17+?
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  • [18:14:01] <Rangergeek> zmatt - I do appreciate the response and the talking between youa nd stt_michael. :) I finally got caught up. (I'm at work) stt_michael is correct. When the USB dongle is plugged in it fails but the beaglebone remains functional.
  • [18:17:22] <thurgood_> they've discontinued the odroid w already?
  • [18:24:01] <johnwalkr> yes
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  • [18:24:26] <johnwalkr> as i understand it they are not allowed to buy that cpu anymore
  • [18:24:44] <johnwalkr> but that tiny package including camera interface is really nice
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  • [18:49:48] <beaglenewby> hi guys
  • [18:50:10] <beaglenewby> can anyone tell me if I can boot a beagleboard using ltsp?
  • [18:50:25] <beaglenewby> (dhcp + tftpd)
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  • [18:51:47] <vagrantc> beaglenewby: it's possible, sure
  • [18:52:04] <beaglenewby> i am currently doing that on raspberry pi using berryterminal distribution
  • [18:52:21] <beaglenewby> but its responsiveness is too slow for heavy internet and office use
  • [18:52:38] * vagrantc prefers to actually use LTSP over berryterminal, but that's perhaps biased
  • [18:53:32] <beaglenewby> what do you mean vagrantc
  • [18:53:34] <vagrantc> beaglenewby: actually, re-reading what you asked, i've only tested on a beaglebone black
  • [18:53:40] <adam_> has anyone tried audio out on kernel 3.17+?
  • [18:53:42] <beaglenewby> because berryterminal is to use LTSP on rasp
  • [18:54:13] <vagrantc> beaglenewby: berryterminal emulates LTSP, and uses some LTSP code, but isn't actually booting using LTSP
  • [18:54:22] <beaglenewby> and it worked? did you had to put the kernel image on the ftp server?
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  • [18:54:37] <beaglenewby> yeah that's the POINT that troubles me
  • [18:55:20] <vagrantc> beaglenewby: yeah, tftp a boot script from u-boot, which downlods the kernel+initrd+dtb and boots it with appropriate arguments to mount the root filesystem
  • [18:55:21] <beaglenewby> was it easy to compile the kernel for the beagleboard architecture?
  • [18:55:27] <beaglenewby> cool!
  • [18:55:39] <beaglenewby> can you tell me if it was more responsive than berryterminal?
  • [18:55:50] <vagrantc> i don't use berryterminal
  • [18:55:54] <beaglenewby> oh ok
  • [18:56:06] <beaglenewby> I suppose so because rasp spec is inferior
  • [18:56:07] <vagrantc> overall, it's not likely to be hugely more responsive
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  • [18:56:45] <beaglenewby> how many cores the bb black has?
  • [18:56:57] <vagrantc> the responsiveness really depends on what you're doing
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  • [18:57:21] <vagrantc> the BBB has only one core
  • [18:58:00] <beaglenewby> its all about spreadsheets and some heavy javascript internet pages
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  • [18:58:50] <vagrantc> with a thin client, the speed of the client isn't typically the main limiting factor, the video graphics on the client do matter a lot, though.
  • [18:59:51] <cityoflights2> adam_ is you using a cape for your audio?
  • [18:59:54] <beaglenewby> i notice some lag on the video thats the limiting factor
  • [19:00:06] <beaglenewby> i dont know maybe I should try overclock the pi
  • [19:00:17] <beaglenewby> but that is a matter for another channel :)
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  • [19:00:28] <cityoflights2> I hope to achive audio via the PWM usign a pieso electric speeker
  • [19:00:50] <vagrantc> beaglenewby: like i said, it's probably not the processor speed that's your limiting factor, so speeding that up probably won't make a huge difference
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  • [19:01:42] <beaglenewby> after disabeing the ssh compression things speeded up a bit
  • [19:01:49] <beaglenewby> disableing
  • [19:02:11] <adam_> cityoflights2: no i have a beagleboard xm - twl4030 is part of the board
  • [19:02:38] <cityoflights2> aha I got the BBB
  • [19:02:46] <vagrantc> beaglenewby: but unless you want to try on one of the beagleboard.org boards, probably more appropriate for #ltsp or #raspberrypi
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  • [19:03:02] <beaglenewby> allright vagrantc
  • [19:03:12] <beaglenewby> thank you for your time
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  • [19:03:26] <beaglenewby> hope to come back when trying the BBB for some projects
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  • [19:04:05] <beaglenewby> i am starting a project to make a robot with a oled display for a remote table RPG player
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  • [19:04:34] <beaglenewby> will be a surprise to my son so we can play with some distant friends :)
  • [19:05:22] <beaglenewby> like the one snowden used on his TED talk, but smaller and more humanoid like
  • [19:05:59] <beaglenewby> i will probably post it on instructables or something like it
  • [19:06:27] <beaglenewby> thank you again, bye!
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  • [20:24:56] <Trian3> I'm setting up my BBB for the first time and am running into some issues. I'm connected via usb, have network access (can ping out). However, I'm unable to either set the date and time (using either ntpdate or ntpdate-sync) or to download & install packages; I get "can't connect to remote host (140.211.169.161): Connection timed out".
  • [20:25:53] <Trian3> I've been to derekmolloy.ie and have followed the advice given there which has gotten me this far, but am now stuck.
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  • [20:27:10] <ds2> sounds very battery life friendly :D
  • [20:27:50] <ds2> blah
  • [20:27:59] <ds2> wrong channel
  • [20:28:14] <ds2> Trian3: you need access to the internet or you can set it manually with the date command
  • [20:28:44] <Trian3> ds2: I have access to the internet as I can ping out just fine
  • [20:29:00] <ds2> can you ping say...www.yahoo.com?
  • [20:29:09] <ds2> or are you pinging just the computer?
  • [20:29:10] <Trian3> Well, google, yes.
  • [20:29:22] <ds2> what's the error with ntpdate?
  • [20:29:32] <ds2> and how exactly are you running it?
  • [20:29:42] <veremit> check ipconfig, route and resolv.conf
  • [20:30:05] <Trian3> Well, that one doesn't actually return an error. It appears to work fine, but when i check the date or time afterwards, it returns the same as before.
  • [20:30:07] <veremit> on the beagle .. and what are you using host side to redirect packets from the beagle to the internet?
  • [20:30:19] <Trian3> I'm running "ntpdate -b -s -u pool.ntp.org"
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  • [20:30:34] <Trian3> And date afterwards is "Sat Jan 1 00:25:37 UTC 2000"
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  • [20:30:44] <veremit> normally, for instance, windows won't act as a router for the beagle
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  • [20:31:22] <ds2> *shrug*
  • [20:31:30] <Trian3> Right, I followed the advice on derekmolloy.ie to resolve that. Had to go into network settings (I'm on windows 7) and share (or bridge) the connection.
  • [20:31:39] <ds2> just set it manually with date and move on :D
  • [20:31:57] <Trian3> But that won't fix my other issue (which I suspect may be related to the first)
  • [20:32:05] <Trian3> That of the packages failing to download & install.
  • [20:32:28] <veremit> hence why I suggest you look at route and resolv.conf :)
  • [20:32:28] <ds2> packages?
  • [20:32:32] <ds2> yuck
  • [20:32:36] <veremit> debian I'm guessing
  • [20:32:36] <ds2> build it yourself :D
  • [20:32:47] <ds2> bitbake FOOBAR
  • [20:32:56] <veremit> eww angstrom
  • [20:33:05] <Trian3> resolv.conf has "nameserver 8.8.8.8" added already.
  • [20:33:57] <ds2> does 'wget http://www.yahoo.com/' work?
  • [20:34:00] <veremit> well .. if you can ping 8.8.8.8 successfully, your network route works .. and if you can ping www.google.com your name resolution works
  • [20:34:11] <ds2> ping can be screwed with
  • [20:34:43] <veremit> did you restart windows and/or the beagle after you set up network bridging?
  • [20:34:58] <Trian3> I've been trying to step my way through a beginner's tutorial on Adafruit's website and one of the first steps was to install Angstrom. Don't know if that was necessary, but I'm just following along...
  • [20:35:12] <veremit> oh joy .. good luck :D
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  • [20:35:48] <Trian3> When I type 'wget http://www.yahoo.com/", it appears to time out. Still says "Connecting to www.yahoo.com"
  • [20:36:11] <Trian3> I haven't restarted windows since bridging network, no.
  • [20:36:28] <Trian3> Everytime I do restart, I have to reset that all up again as the settings don't appear to hold.
  • [20:36:38] <veremit> smells like your beagle isn't resolving network names ie. dns
  • [20:36:56] <Trian3> yet I can ping www.google.com
  • [20:37:01] <veremit> that also smells like windows bein crap lol
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  • [20:37:29] <veremit> which could cause all sorts of problems
  • [20:37:31] <Trian3> So, how to tell what the problem actually is? Windows or DNS issue?
  • [20:37:49] <veremit> can you plug it into your network router using a wire, directly?
  • [20:37:53] <Trian3> Besides reimaging to linux? lol
  • [20:37:56] <veremit> and then SSH to it?
  • [20:38:06] <Trian3> If I had a 5v power supply, I could.
  • [20:38:06] <veremit> using putty if needed
  • [20:38:35] <veremit> hmm that would help ;)
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  • [20:39:12] <Trian3> Alright... I'll go that route. Seems like it'd be less problematic (one hopes).
  • [20:39:27] <ds2> probally the mDNS crap getting luck with a cached entry
  • [20:39:27] <veremit> I wouldn't trust windows .. but it probably should work
  • [20:39:28] <Trian3> Thanks for the help so far.
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  • [20:40:12] <veremit> I've never plugged my beagle into windows :/
  • [20:40:38] <Trian3> Wish I had a better grasp of linux. :(
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  • [20:40:50] <ds2> Linux is easy
  • [20:40:53] <veremit> its a fair learning curve .. but its fun
  • [20:40:54] <ds2> it is windows that is convoluted
  • [20:41:07] <veremit> ds2 : depends how you've been brought up in computing :p
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  • [20:41:21] <Trian3> It's a matter of familiarity is all.
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  • [20:41:43] <veremit> ds2 : if its all icons and menus .. linux has a bit more to it than that :)
  • [20:42:05] <ds2> veremit: but windows has special cases to do everything. Linux (on the command line) is more ortogonal
  • [20:42:14] <veremit> although ubuntu does have a lot to answer for in tht regard lately
  • [20:42:29] <veremit> ds2: point and click ;P
  • [20:42:30] <ds2> you learn the basics and everything falls into place with Linux. On windows, you need to learn something for everything
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  • [20:42:42] <ds2> point click, shift, control, windows, arrrrrggggg
  • [20:43:19] <veremit> if you learnt computing by the command-line .. TOTALLY different story
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  • [20:43:40] <veremit> windows doesn't (Really) have a command-line .. its a bodge :p
  • [20:43:48] <ds2> ah but it does
  • [20:44:00] <ds2> anyways...lunch
  • [20:44:47] <veremit> no no it realyl doesn't lol .. I can't imagine win8 having anything useful ... 7 is bad enough .. xp is just tolerable
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  • [20:45:34] <Trian3> My objective is to learn how to automate various tasks via electronics. Sounds like my lack of linux know-how will continue to be a barrier til I get a handle on it.
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  • [20:46:47] <Trian3> What flavor of linux is recommended these days? Sounds like Ubuntu has fallen out of favor?
  • [20:46:58] <veremit> Trian3 .. take a look at arduino .. its a fairly easy way into programming and control
  • [20:47:19] <veremit> all distro's have their individual merits
  • [20:47:50] <veremit> I think hardcore's gravitate towards gentoo or something involving compilation ..
  • [20:47:58] <Trian3> Thought they were all the same (Arduino, BBB, Raspberry Pi, etc), just different hardware specs & support... no?
  • [20:48:11] <veremit> otherwise the package-based distros are an easier intro. and less prone to breakage
  • [20:48:33] <veremit> yes and no .. beagle/pi are actual computers .. the arduino is just a controller chip
  • [20:48:44] <veremit> subtly different
  • [20:48:44] <Trian3> I see
  • [20:49:24] <veremit> the lines are a bit more blurry these days with enhanced controllers with ARM cores .. like the beagle/pi but without the operating system essentially
  • [20:50:04] <veremit> that's basically the difference .. it either runs linux or embedded 'something ' (eg. android) or it just runs bare assembler code
  • [20:50:37] <Trian3> Well, I've gotta run. Thanks again for the help. I'll see if I can get further with it after connecting via ethernet. If not, I'll be back. :)
  • [20:51:05] <veremit> np good luck
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