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  • [05:18:09] <james101> Hi. According to TI website, AM3359 CPU can only run up to 800MHz. How does it work at 1GHz on the BBB? Is this an error?
  • [05:19:17] <ds2> ES1 is at 800MHz
  • [05:19:24] <ds2> there is a later rev that is spec'ed for 1GHz
  • [05:21:40] <james101> TI's website shows 800MHz. The datasheet also states 800MHz. It can't be ES1.
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  • [05:21:41] <james101> http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/am3359.pdf
  • [05:22:46] <james101> See table 3 on page 8 of the datasheet in the link above ^
  • [05:26:16] <ds2> take a look at the am3358
  • [05:26:21] <ds2> they are more or less the same thing
  • [05:26:32] <ds2> IIRC, the 3358 is what is used
  • [05:28:04] <james101> My BBB has AM3359
  • [05:28:39] <james101> and it seems to run 1Ghz. Is it overclocked?
  • [05:28:54] <ds2> no
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  • [05:56:39] <ketas> should be bbb run 1ghz when powered from usb? :)
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  • [09:34:43] <tbr> nobody around here uses JTAG
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  • [09:48:45] <woglinde> where is KOTH
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  • [11:56:52] <Laurenceb> hi, anyone here?
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  • [12:10:47] <Laurenceb> or is this channel dead?
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  • [12:19:22] <ameenkhan07> i am interested in starting a project on the beaglebone black
  • [12:19:46] <ameenkhan07> and use websocket abd web tech to perform the tasks i am trying to imlement
  • [12:19:52] <ameenkhan07> on the local machine
  • [12:20:22] <ameenkhan07> is beaglebone black the right choice or should i go with an arduino or a raspberrypi board
  • [12:21:00] <_av500_> you should google more
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  • [12:23:41] <Peanut> That wasn't terribly friendly or helpful :-(
  • [12:24:42] <abferm> It has been a while since anyone answered my questions here.
  • [12:24:57] <woglinde> that was the answer he wanted
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  • [12:28:46] <Peanut> I'm building a GPS locked rubidium clock, with the BBB as GPS receiver, DAC driver, NTP server - and hopefully PTP server. Would anyone here be interested in something like that?
  • [12:32:41] <woglinde> Peanut I am not
  • [12:32:43] <woglinde> sorry
  • [12:34:47] <Peanut> That's fine with me :-)
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  • [12:35:43] <Peanut> Wrote a small I2C driver for the MCP4275 DAC yesterday, works very nice. I'm using one of those logicsupply proto boards with built-in EEPROM.
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  • [12:40:01] <samael> disabling udhcp.conf in /etc/default/udhcpd with the line DHCPD_ENABLED="no" has no effect. a reboot it is started and the line gets commented. who's doing that? why?
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  • [12:45:34] <samael> nvm, found it in /opt/scripts/boot/am335x_evm.sh
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  • [13:05:29] <Peanut> samael: yes, that's a pretty ugly piece of work, took me a while to track down too.
  • [13:06:24] <Peanut> Every time it reboots, it adds a '#' to /etc/default/udhcpd line 2.
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  • [13:29:16] <KotH> Peanut: you are not the first one to do that
  • [13:29:38] <KotH> Peanut: considerable work has already gone into using BBB as an NTP server
  • [13:30:05] <KotH> Peanut: btw: did you replace the crystal on the BBB and drive it from the Rb instead?
  • [13:30:24] <KotH> Peanut: or is the Rb independend of the BBB/NTP ?
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  • [13:36:43] <Laurenceb> well me beaglebone is going in the bin
  • [13:36:51] <Laurenceb> its utterly broken and unusable
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  • [13:44:53] <abferm> Laurenceb: did you have problems with usb as soon as you got your bbb, or did it work at first?
  • [13:45:10] <Laurenceb> as soon as i tried usb
  • [13:45:34] <Laurenceb> host port voltage is 5v when the device is turned on
  • [13:45:43] <Laurenceb> then goes to 0v when i plug in a device
  • [13:45:59] <Laurenceb> i can fix it once with
  • [13:46:00] <Laurenceb> echo on > /sys/bus/usb/devices/usb1/power/level
  • [13:46:04] <abferm> can you tell me which kernel you are running? (ie: the output of 'uname -a')
  • [13:46:05] <Laurenceb> but that only works once
  • [13:46:20] <Laurenceb> Linux beaglebone 3.8.13-bone67
  • [13:46:56] <abferm> usb hot-swap is not supported in 3.8... you have to have the device plugged in at boot.
  • [13:47:03] <Laurenceb> wtf
  • [13:47:41] <Laurenceb> ok, so in the bin then
  • [13:47:45] <abferm> they are working on upgrading the default kernel to 3.14 which will fix the issue
  • [13:48:03] <Laurenceb> hmm
  • [13:48:17] <Laurenceb> is there a release candidate?
  • [13:49:36] <abferm> I build my own kernel so I can pick and choose modules, but there is one in the beaglebone debian repository. If you flash the latest version of debian you should be able to apt-get install it.
  • [13:50:06] <abferm> I think it might be in the testing repo, but I'm not sure.
  • [13:50:19] <Laurenceb> thanks, ill check
  • [13:51:20] <abferm> If you have a good cross-compiler setup you could clone their linux repository on github and build it.
  • [13:52:44] <Laurenceb> eeek
  • [13:52:49] <Laurenceb> but maybe worth a shot
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  • [13:59:44] <Laurenceb> ok installing 3.17-bone4
  • [13:59:56] <Laurenceb> *ok installing 3.17.1-bone4
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  • [14:03:26] <Laurenceb> grrrr
  • [14:03:28] <Laurenceb> out of space
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  • [14:05:18] <Laurenceb> what a disaster
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  • [14:12:53] <Laurenceb> im going to have to give up on BBB
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  • [14:28:12] <Laurenceb> ive bricked it as well
  • [14:28:18] <Laurenceb> any way to unbrick?
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  • [14:39:52] <ddrown> Peanut: I'm interested in that, I actually have GPS parts arriving today
  • [14:41:32] <ddrown> I don't have any plans for doing a GPSDO, though
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  • [14:54:06] <Peanut> This is going to be not just GPSDO, but GPSD-Rb, with NTP and hopefully PTP (which would be really cool).
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  • [14:54:30] <Peanut> I know the Beaglebone Ethernet chipset supports PTP, but it's not clear to which extent people have been able to get that to work.
  • [14:55:43] <Peanut> KotH: I want to use the Rb to drive a timer input, and make that a timesource for the Rb. There are people who *claim* to have done it, but I've never seen actual code or documentation yet.
  • [14:55:52] <ddrown> yeah, there's a lot of PTP support in the hardware out there but not much info on the drivers
  • [14:55:57] <ddrown> or grandmaster clocks
  • [14:56:28] <Peanut> So I would not remove the crystal.
  • [14:56:57] <Peanut> And I want to use the PRU to time the 1PPS signal from the GPS.
  • [14:57:52] <ddrown> I don't know the timer hardware of the BBB, does it have hardware capture?
  • [14:58:09] <ddrown> if so, why not use it for both the Rb and the 1PPS?
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  • [15:00:58] <Peanut> ddrown: because I also want to run the NTP on the BBB from this Rb signal to make an extremely stable NTP/PTP server.
  • [15:01:21] <agmlego> PTP is kind of the best thing ever.
  • [15:01:28] * agmlego uses it at work all the time.
  • [15:01:36] <Peanut> agmlego: Yup, and every recent Intel NIC has it on board.
  • [15:01:46] <Peanut> agmlego: kewl, what kind of work would that be, if I may ask?
  • [15:01:54] <agmlego> Peanut: Industrial machine vision.
  • [15:02:09] <Peanut> Ah, nice. What kind of PTP equipment?
  • [15:02:25] <agmlego> My cameras all support PTP, so I can send out a broadcast trigger and guarantee that the images were caputred within nanoseconds of each other.
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  • [15:02:43] <agmlego> WHich is neat for high-speed stereo vision on moving product.
  • [15:03:01] <Peanut> Nice. Although nanoseconds seems a bit tight for PTP, even with hardware support - more like tens of ns?
  • [15:03:31] <agmlego> Depends on the setup.
  • [15:03:37] <KotH> Peanut: it wont be "extremely stable" if you dont replace the crystal of the BBB. you will end up with a jitter that has 5ns steps
  • [15:03:40] <agmlego> Most of my cabling is sub-10m.
  • [15:05:22] <KotH> Peanut: you need to measure the PPS of the Rb against the PPS of the GPS with something more preciese than the PRU. i recommend you have a look at the PICTIC. if you implement something similar with an external ADC, you can get below 100ps resolution/accuracy
  • [15:07:11] <Peanut> KotH: The Rb does not have a PPS, but a 10 MHz output. Don't really need 100ps single shot on the GPS PPS, because it's not that good anyway. I know about the PICTIC, I've designed/built an FPGA based interpolating reciprocal counter about a decade ago.
  • [15:07:50] <KotH> Peanut: well.. you'd have to fight against hanging bridges if you dont use something with more resolution
  • [15:09:10] <Peanut> I think the problem is that the hanging bridge already gets generated in the GPS, due to its fixed clock rate. Some good ones actually output a predictor that you can use in the correction algorithm, without any need for micro-steppers or high-res TICs.
  • [15:09:40] <KotH> all u-blox modules output sawtooth correction, yes
  • [15:09:50] <KotH> but that's only part of the game
  • [15:10:15] <KotH> if you measure against the clock of the am3359, then you have there another point where you introduce hanging bridges
  • [15:13:16] <Peanut> Let me see.. is it caused by a beat note between the sampler clock domain and PPS signal, or a lack of timing resolution on sampling it?
  • [15:13:59] <agmlego> Also the phase of the moon.
  • [15:14:45] <Peanut> The Moon is still near-field, I prefer to use VLBI on distant quasars to align my clocks, but that's work, not hobby ;-)
  • [15:14:58] <ddrown> so your uncertainty is +/- 5ns? does that make your frequency measurement +/- 5ppb?
  • [15:16:09] <Peanut> The 5ns presumably comes from the 200MHz PRU clock, so yes.
  • [15:17:24] <ddrown> and using averaging or something else can get you lower than 5ppb, but the hanging bridge will limit how low?
  • [15:17:58] <KotH> Peanut: actually both: by the lack of resolution and when the ratio between the frequencies gets close to a rational number
  • [15:18:24] <Peanut> Ah, 'how low' is the difficult part. It is clearly a non-gaussian error, so it won't average out.
  • [15:19:03] <KotH> haning bridges limit your resolution to what your timer provides
  • [15:19:07] <KotH> no averaging
  • [15:19:46] <KotH> Peanut: for a more in depth discussion, ask on the time-nuts ml
  • [15:19:53] <KotH> Peanut: or search the archives there
  • [15:20:02] * KotH has to run
  • [15:20:24] <Peanut> KotH: yeah, I'm on that list. But keep getting kicked off it lately because of the whole anti-spam header snafu.
  • [15:20:30] <Peanut> See ya, thanks.
  • [15:20:51] <ddrown> I think time-nuts fixed that now
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  • [15:25:01] <Peanut> ddrown: that's good to hear, I'll give that a try then.
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  • [15:55:41] <Laurenceb> now usb ethernet is broken
  • [15:55:45] <Laurenceb> im losing the battle
  • [15:56:00] <Laurenceb> any idea why usb ethernet never connects with angstrom?
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  • [15:58:31] <Laurenceb> hi, anyone alive here?
  • [15:58:50] <Laurenceb> i cant just usb ethernet to connect
  • [15:59:27] <woglinde> Laurenceb use a serial console to find out
  • [15:59:42] <Laurenceb> hmm
  • [15:59:45] <Laurenceb> good idea
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  • [16:07:02] <Peanut> Laurenceb: you know you can just SSH into your BBB over USB? It's a pretty cool feature. You can also use the USB for a virtual serial console, both work out-of-the-box.
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  • [16:07:47] <Laurenceb> or not
  • [16:07:50] <Laurenceb> in my case
  • [16:08:03] <Peanut> Ah ok - just trying to be helpful.
  • [16:10:22] <buzzsaw> Depending on the OS you use, you might need to install a driver
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  • [16:12:33] <woglinde> buzzsaw you mean host os right?
  • [16:13:44] <Peanut> Yeah.. doesn't boil down to 'When your PC runs Windows'? I didn't have to install anything on my Ubuntu or Mac, but that might be different for older releases of those OSes.
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  • [16:16:49] <Laurenceb> im running ubuntu
  • [16:16:56] <Laurenceb> i got it working in the end
  • [16:17:01] <Laurenceb> had to reboot a few times
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  • [16:21:23] <Laurenceb> is there an image available for latest debian?
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  • [16:27:26] <buzzsaw> yeah
  • [16:30:23] <Peanut> http://beagleboard.org/latest-images
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  • [17:03:08] <Laurenceb> no ill need a lot more recent than that
  • [17:03:10] <Laurenceb> anyway
  • [17:03:18] <Laurenceb> atm internet is broken
  • [17:03:26] <Laurenceb> ifconfig usb0 192.168.7.2
  • [17:03:32] <Laurenceb> route add default gw 192.168.7.1
  • [17:03:37] <Laurenceb> but its not seeing anything
  • [17:03:40] <Laurenceb> any ideas?
  • [17:03:48] <Peanut> Can you ping 192.168.7.1 from the BBB?
  • [17:04:24] <Laurenceb> yes
  • [17:04:34] <Laurenceb> everything was running before i broked the BBB
  • [17:04:36] <Laurenceb> *bricked
  • [17:04:44] <Laurenceb> so about 4 hours ago it worked
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  • [17:05:15] <Peanut> Ok, so the PC and BBB can see each other. Does the routing table on the BBB contain an entry for destinatino '0.0.0.0', with 192.168.7.1 as the gateway?
  • [17:05:27] <Laurenceb> hmm
  • [17:05:30] <Laurenceb> probably not
  • [17:05:36] <Laurenceb> i didnt change any routing
  • [17:05:55] <Peanut> Try 'route add default gw 192.168.7.1' on the BBB then.
  • [17:06:04] <Laurenceb> ^already done it
  • [17:06:13] <Peanut> Did it help?
  • [17:06:15] <Laurenceb> see above
  • [17:06:16] <Laurenceb> no
  • [17:06:24] <Laurenceb> read what i posted at 18:03
  • [17:06:35] <Peanut> Oh, I didn't know you've been trying for this long.
  • [17:06:40] <Laurenceb> heh
  • [17:06:46] <Laurenceb> ive been trying for over a week
  • [17:06:55] <Laurenceb> spend about 150hours on this thing so far
  • [17:06:57] <Peanut> Err.. actually, your 18:03 is probably not my 18:03
  • [17:08:24] <Laurenceb> route shows
  • [17:08:25] <Laurenceb> 192.168.7.0 * 255.255.255.252 U 0 0 0 usb0
  • [17:09:00] <Peanut> Only that, or is there more?
  • [17:09:10] <Laurenceb> there is a line with real names
  • [17:09:12] <Laurenceb> thats it
  • [17:09:22] <Peanut> But there is no line that starts with 0.0.0.0 ?
  • [17:09:38] <Laurenceb> default laurence-deskto 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 usb0
  • [17:10:24] <Peanut> Ah, *duh* I'm so used to running 'netstat -nr', I hadn't counted on there being full names. Anyway, that's just the entry I was looking for.
  • [17:10:52] <Peanut> That's your default route allright, so on the BBB the config seems fine.
  • [17:11:01] <Laurenceb> bizzare
  • [17:11:10] <Peanut> Which means NAT trouble on your desktop, most likely.
  • [17:11:26] <Laurenceb> i dont see how that can have changed from a few hours ago
  • [17:11:32] <Laurenceb> nat config ubuntu
  • [17:11:59] <Peanut> Except that the interface went down and then back up? Might have changed the name of the interface on the Ubuntu side, for instance.
  • [17:13:36] <Laurenceb> i dont know what im doing here
  • [17:13:40] <Laurenceb> iptables?!
  • [17:14:47] <Laurenceb> 192.168.7.0 * 255.255.255.252 U 1 0 0 eth1
  • [17:14:51] <Laurenceb> from route on host
  • [17:14:59] <Laurenceb> the BBB is on eth1
  • [17:15:06] <Laurenceb> does that look sane?
  • [17:16:05] <Laurenceb> anyone?
  • [17:16:06] <Peanut> That certainly looks sane, otherwise you wouldn't be able to ping the BBB from the PC.
  • [17:16:11] <Peanut> Laurenceb: please see privmsg?
  • [17:18:22] <Laurenceb> so does anyone know what route should look like on the host?
  • [17:18:30] <Laurenceb> i know ~0 about networking
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  • [17:19:51] <Peanut> I know a bit more about it... Asuming that eth1 is the virtual ethernet on your Linux PC, that looks good.
  • [17:19:58] <Laurenceb> how weird
  • [17:20:14] <Peanut> Your PC should have a route for 192.168.7.0 255.255.255.252 going back out to eth1, which it does.
  • [17:20:42] <Peanut> And it works, because you can ping your BBB from your PC and vv. Which means the PC is not forwarding the BBB traffic out of its outgoing (public) interface.
  • [17:20:49] <Laurenceb> ill try reconnecting
  • [17:20:56] <Peanut> So the problem is with the NAT setup on the PC.
  • [17:22:01] <Laurenceb> nope no luck
  • [17:22:07] <Laurenceb> yeah it must be my PC
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  • [17:30:53] <Peanut> Laurenceb: sorry, got to go or no dinner for me.
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  • [17:33:00] <Laurenceb> yeah me too
  • [17:33:07] <Laurenceb> what a disaster zone BBB is
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  • [18:20:25] <Laurenceb> ok I have identified the source of the problem
  • [18:20:44] <Laurenceb> im on a campus network, so i need to configure the BBB to use the correct proxy server
  • [18:20:54] <Laurenceb> how to do this is another question entirely...
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  • [18:23:17] <agmlego> Same way you configure any Linux machine to use a proxy server.
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  • [18:41:18] <sherring> has anyone experience with crosstool-ng?
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  • [19:05:04] <Laurenceb> ok so i cant upgrade the kernel
  • [19:05:17] <Laurenceb> Error resolving pool.ntp.org: Name or service not known (-2)
  • [19:05:22] <Laurenceb> ^any ideas how to fix this
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  • [19:11:35] <sherring> Laurenceb: i dont know how are you intending to do so, but my dns doesnt know pool.ntp.org. Only could resolve www.pool.ntp.org
  • [19:12:53] <sherring> Laurenceb: actually, i can ping pool.ntp.org maybe something is down in the server
  • [19:13:19] <Laurenceb> HMM
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  • [19:15:37] <Laurenceb> http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack_Debian#Kernel_Upgrade
  • [19:15:42] <Laurenceb> ^im trying to do that
  • [19:15:54] <Laurenceb> i had it working earlier today (before i bricked my BBB)
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  • [19:17:46] <Laurenceb> 15 May 04:36:24 ntpdate[3478]: Can't find host pool.ntp.org: Name or service not known (-2)
  • [19:18:03] <Laurenceb> probably a proxy server related problem
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  • [19:22:34] <sherring> Laurenceb: that i cant tell. Maybe try again later
  • [19:22:35] <abferm> yeah Laurenceb, it is pretty much impossible to build on the bbb. I would stick with 3.14 and use debian. It is much better than Angstrom. You can debug using the serial header if you have an FTDI cable.
  • [19:27:31] <Laurenceb> wow
  • [19:27:34] <Laurenceb> everything is broken
  • [19:27:41] <Laurenceb> i commented out the time stuff
  • [19:27:50] <Laurenceb> Connecting to 128.243.253.109:8080... connected.
  • [19:27:50] <Laurenceb> ERROR: The certificate of `rcn-ee.net' is not trusted.
  • [19:29:07] <Laurenceb> hmm
  • [19:29:17] <Laurenceb> maybe i should give up and ask for more direct help
  • [19:29:23] <Laurenceb> this is all beyond my levle of skill
  • [19:29:40] <Laurenceb> is usb hot plugging supported with any BBB kernel yet?
  • [19:29:48] <Laurenceb> thats what im attempting to test
  • [19:30:00] <Laurenceb> but failing bandly as i dont have the skill level
  • [19:30:56] <Laurenceb> bbl
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  • [20:00:04] <buzzsaw> So... last night I started using my LED aquarium light controlled by my BBB :-D
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  • [20:14:29] <sherring_> buzzsaw, how did you solved the multiple pwm issue
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  • [20:15:37] <sherring_> ?
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  • [20:17:35] <buzzsaw> For now i am using the internal PWM channels
  • [20:17:52] <buzzsaw> The additional may be used down the road.
  • [20:18:13] <buzzsaw> I cheated too... I am using adafruits libray for python
  • [20:18:27] <sherring_> I see. Congrats anyway!!
  • [20:18:36] <buzzsaw> I was having to much trouble trying to use the cloud9 editor use bonescript...
  • [20:18:49] <sherring_> Hahahahaa i guess your fishes wont complain about that
  • [20:18:54] <buzzsaw> I will move onto the multiple channels after I find out if I am going ot need it
  • [20:19:26] <buzzsaw> I think I might write some c later to do some of the more complex calculations if I need?
  • [20:20:46] <sherring_> I guess it will only be necessary if you intend to do some more time-intense calculation
  • [20:21:21] <buzzsaw> I have some more development to do but I will open the source and you can see.
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  • [20:22:18] <buzzsaw> so far they calculate to see if the sun is up, if its up what time did it come up and what time will it go down. Then they graph a point on the sine wave to see how bright they lights should be
  • [20:22:43] <buzzsaw> I do have some intensity modiffiers in there too so I can mix the channels differently
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  • [20:27:37] <sherring_> I see. Out of topic: Is it salt water fish tank?
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  • [20:28:19] <buzzsaw> yes
  • [20:28:35] <sherring_> nice
  • [20:28:38] <buzzsaw> Mostly I am interested in coral but the wife likes fish
  • [20:28:48] <buzzsaw> and it keeps the two year old intertained too
  • [20:31:46] <sherring_> hahaha, looking for more free time, i get it!
  • [20:32:13] <buzzsaw> I have plenty of free time :-) Just work and home...
  • [20:34:00] <buzzsaw> with any luck I can sell my nice little controller for a few bucks extra cash
  • [20:34:09] <buzzsaw> likley just going to opensource it
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  • [21:30:32] <sherring_> do you guys happens to know which hardware features vfp?
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  • [21:32:12] <sherring_> woglinde, no, from what i got, neon is single precision only, right?
  • [21:32:31] <woglinde> I dont know the exact specs
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  • [21:35:09] <sherring_> "(Note that Neon does not support double precision floating point operations) " -> http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/Cortex-A8#What_is_VFP.3F
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  • [21:35:43] <woglinde> yes okay and now?
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  • [21:36:48] <sherring_> single precision wont work for me... That is why i am asking about this vfp
  • [21:37:19] <woglinde> what vfp?
  • [21:37:25] <woglinde> there is none other
  • [21:38:07] <sherring_> as it seems, VFP and NEON are two different technologies
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  • [21:38:44] <woglinde> ?
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  • [21:39:07] <woglinde> when you have found the difference I am happy to hear to it
  • [21:41:13] <bgamari> I believe they are distinct
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  • [21:41:50] <bgamari> they have different sections on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture#VFP
  • [21:43:07] <sherring_> ok, so Neon block includes neon it self and VFP (according to that link, from texas itself). Neon can handle parallel tasks, but single precision, hence, not fully compliant with IEEE 754. VFP, on the other hand, can handle single operation per cycle, but is fully compliant to IEEE 754, hence, supports both single and double precision FPO
  • [21:44:45] <sherring_> also, in general, you should better performance from neon, time-wise, i mean. But, sadly, i wont handle double precision
  • [21:45:09] <agmlego> That is very unfortunate for you.
  • [21:45:53] <sherring_> true, tsk.
  • [21:45:55] <veremit> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture
  • [21:46:05] <veremit> oops nvm :p
  • [21:46:21] <agmlego> sherring_: I suggest reading TI's documentation on their product families, if this matters so much to your application.
  • [21:46:39] <agmlego> Asking in a channel dedicated primarily to a single instance of one family is likely not to end in success.
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  • [21:47:08] <veremit> there's nothing wrong with asking agmlego
  • [21:47:18] <agmlego> veremit: Did I say there was?
  • [21:47:29] <veremit> not directly...
  • [21:48:52] <sherring_> agmlego, i must agree to that, but, i am targeting beagleboard. Now, i just wanted to know if any of the families of beagleboard (DM*, AM*) , any of users present, have dealt with something like that
  • [21:49:39] <agmlego> sherring_: Oh, if you are only looking at that small number, then it is even faster for you just the do a quick check on the processors. There are only four of them to my knowledge.
  • [21:50:18] <sherring_> right, i did so, but the information was misleading
  • [21:51:52] <sherring_> so i wish to account to your wisdom to help me finding this out
  • [21:53:34] <agmlego> http://beagleboard.org/beagleboard "NEON and VFP extensions for additional acceleration"
  • [21:55:03] <agmlego> xM does not appear to have VFP.
  • [21:56:00] <agmlego> I believe that since armhf runs on the pair of bones, they have VFP as well.
  • [21:57:05] <agmlego> (These being quick answers from "beagleboard VFP", "beagleboard xm VFP" and "beaglebone VFP", plus some reading on how the armhf kernel works)
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  • [21:58:25] <woglinde> agmlego still cortex a8
  • [21:59:45] <woglinde> http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/am3517.pdf
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  • [22:02:26] <sherring_> so, all of them have fpu, as it turns out
  • [22:02:45] <sherring_> woglinde, agmlego, thanks!
  • [22:02:51] <woglinde> if you mean cortex a8 yes?
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  • [22:03:16] <woglinde> good nite
  • [22:03:19] <woglinde> I am tired
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  • [22:06:45] <Laurenceb__> hi
  • [22:06:53] <Laurenceb__> has anyone managed to get usb hotplug to work?
  • [22:07:03] <veremit> lol
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  • [22:08:35] <woglinde> Laurenceb__ could be work with 3.14
  • [22:09:33] <woglinde> Laurenceb__ and with work you mean patches around the internal usb IP from mentor?
  • [22:09:34] <Laurenceb__> interesting
  • [22:09:39] <Laurenceb__> presumably
  • [22:09:51] <Laurenceb__> i want to connect a gopro camera
  • [22:10:01] <Laurenceb__> its very alloying as it violates the usb spec
  • [22:10:21] <Laurenceb__> draws 500ma straight away, then needs a button press to enumerate
  • [22:10:43] <Laurenceb__> im working on a machine vision system to record video at 240fps
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  • [22:10:50] <Laurenceb__> my plan is to use gopro and BBB
  • [22:11:02] <Laurenceb__> i need to mount and unmount to gopro continually
  • [22:11:46] <Laurenceb__> ive been working on this for a week or so, no luck so far
  • [22:12:14] <Laurenceb__> is https://rcn-ee.net/deb/wheezy-armhf/v3.17.1-bone4/linux-image-3.17.1-bone4_1wheezy_armhf.deb slow for everyone?
  • [22:12:28] <Laurenceb__> im averaging <100 bytes/second
  • [22:13:29] <Laurenceb__> eta is in the range of months
  • [22:14:02] <Laurenceb__> is there anything about beaglebone that isnt horribly broken?
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  • [22:14:19] <Laurenceb__> Read error at byte 2736128/25550294 (A TLS packet with unexpected length was received.)
  • [22:16:27] <veremit> really woudln't recommend bbb with usb .. its borked.
  • [22:16:37] <Laurenceb__> as i have discovered
  • [22:16:39] <veremit> its been patched to hell and back .. but still flawed
  • [22:16:39] <Laurenceb__> hmm
  • [22:16:56] <Laurenceb__> yeah i was planning to hack the board
  • [22:17:04] <veremit> take a look at the wandboard
  • [22:17:18] <veremit> slightly meatier processor
  • [22:17:22] <Laurenceb__> to allow usb to be controlled
  • [22:17:23] <Laurenceb__> ok
  • [22:17:29] <veremit> slightly more expensive .. but would probably be better
  • [22:17:39] <Laurenceb__> i dont care about cost
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  • [22:18:21] <veremit> there's dual/quad-core versions of the wand ..quad has a sata interface :)
  • [22:18:35] <Laurenceb__> i care about weight and current draw
  • [22:18:44] <woglinde> http://lccoelce14.sched.org/event/a58e74bcb270b33705202a484dce4014?iframe=no#.VErQMx_aWCg
  • [22:18:58] <woglinde> olimex has a sata too
  • [22:19:05] <woglinde> cost only 30 euros
  • [22:19:43] <Laurenceb__> i need lots of peripherals
  • [22:19:51] <Laurenceb__> adc, spi, i2c usart
  • [22:19:53] <Laurenceb__> pwm
  • [22:20:09] <Laurenceb__> it needs to control the hardware its filming
  • [22:20:43] <Laurenceb__> wandboard doesnt really look suitable
  • [22:21:01] <Laurenceb__> and anything with allwinner is not going to do it
  • [22:21:07] <woglinde> https://www.olimex.com/Products/OLinuXino/A10/A10-OLinuXino-LIME/open-source-hardware
  • [22:21:08] <agmlego> Laurenceb__: Is the GoPro the only suitable camera>
  • [22:21:18] <Laurenceb__> agmlego: i need >>100fps
  • [22:21:24] <woglinde> lol
  • [22:21:25] <agmlego> Because if you can spare the money, I can recommend some Ethernet cameras instead.
  • [22:21:26] <Laurenceb__> in low mass
  • [22:21:32] <Laurenceb__> for non insane price
  • [22:21:39] <agmlego> Sure, how about <100g?
  • [22:21:39] <Laurenceb__> im all ears
  • [22:21:42] <Laurenceb__> yes
  • [22:21:55] <agmlego> Basler acA640-gc, if you need color.
  • [22:21:58] <veremit> gpro works pretty well ..mate's used it for his rallying
  • [22:22:09] <agmlego> Er, Basler acA640-100gc.
  • [22:22:52] <Laurenceb__> nice, thanks
  • [22:23:11] <Laurenceb__> do you think beaglebone would have the ehternet throughput for it to work?
  • [22:23:53] <Laurenceb__> with usb i dont have to do realtime
  • [22:23:54] <agmlego> No idea.
  • [22:24:03] <veremit> if its mpeg .. should be no prob.
  • [22:24:15] <agmlego> The camera is a GigE camera and passes out bitmaps.
  • [22:24:15] <Laurenceb__> good point
  • [22:24:18] <sherring_> depends on how you intend to retrieve data, resolution, encondig
  • [22:24:20] <Laurenceb__> oh
  • [22:24:30] <agmlego> But it will degrade OK to 100M.
  • [22:24:34] <veremit> raw you'd struggle
  • [22:24:37] <Laurenceb__> yeah
  • [22:24:38] <agmlego> Just maybe not at full framerate.
  • [22:24:43] <Laurenceb__> id think it would struggle
  • [22:24:56] <Laurenceb__> hmm
  • [22:25:00] <agmlego> Laurenceb__: What kind of machine vision are you trying to do a) on a beaglebone and b) at 100fps?
  • [22:25:02] <Laurenceb__> ill persevere with isb
  • [22:25:05] <veremit> we're using a dm368 at work to get HD cameras to h264 encoding 30fps
  • [22:25:07] * agmlego is curious, as this is his profession.
  • [22:25:15] <Laurenceb__> agmlego: non real time
  • [22:25:29] <Laurenceb__> its a secret project :P
  • [22:25:36] <veremit> dedicated hardware
  • [22:25:37] <agmlego> Oh. So, really, you could just store the video and process it after the fact ona real computer. ;-P
  • [22:25:39] <Laurenceb__> short (<1.5 seconds)
  • [22:25:49] <Laurenceb__> then ~unlimited time to process it
  • [22:25:53] <veremit> yea so you want a camera with storage ;)
  • [22:26:08] <Laurenceb__> that was why i chose gopro
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  • [22:26:39] <agmlego> Laurenceb__: So the bone does not actually need to get the video data at all.
  • [22:26:53] <Laurenceb__> i got it working this afternoon, but i couldnt hot swap to record multiple videos
  • [22:27:05] <Laurenceb__> it needs to get it later...
  • [22:27:12] <Laurenceb__> ... unless i add a second board
  • [22:27:33] <agmlego> I guess I am still confused about what you are trying to do.
  • [22:27:49] <Laurenceb__> its an automated system
  • [22:27:50] <veremit> control & download a gopro :D
  • [22:27:54] <Laurenceb__> yes
  • [22:28:01] <veremit> lol even I can tell that :p
  • [22:28:04] <agmlego> veremit: Right, but then Laurenceb__ wants to process the video.
  • [22:28:09] <Laurenceb__> control is easy - theres a dedicated bus on the back
  • [22:28:14] <veremit> no .. the video can be processed elsewhere
  • [22:28:18] <Laurenceb__> yeah and thats easy too
  • [22:28:23] <veremit> just pull it off the gopro
  • [22:28:30] <agmlego> Which is not really a thing that makes a lot of sense to do on the bone, especially if it can be done after the fact--just do the processing on a different machine.
  • [22:28:33] <Laurenceb__> yeah - whatever, as long as i can get it off the camera in an automated way
  • [22:28:52] <Laurenceb__> thats my problem atm
  • [22:28:57] <agmlego> Right, so set up a script on your processing machine that grabs the video off the GoPro when you plug it in.
  • [22:29:02] <Laurenceb__> this has to operate unattended
  • [22:29:03] <agmlego> Easy.
  • [22:29:16] <Laurenceb__> im not there to plug it in :P
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  • [22:29:26] <agmlego> Then you might have chosen the wrong board.
  • [22:29:27] <Laurenceb__> but i can hack the board to power cycle the usb
  • [22:29:29] <Laurenceb__> thats easy
  • [22:29:38] <Laurenceb__> but hot swap needs to work
  • [22:29:40] <Laurenceb__> :S
  • [22:29:47] <agmlego> Counting on the USB subsystem on the bone for mission-critical things is likely to end in sorrow.
  • [22:30:04] <veremit> yah don't
  • [22:30:07] <Laurenceb__> hmf
  • [22:30:08] <agmlego> I recommend a different piece of hardware.
  • [22:30:15] <agmlego> Like, basically anything else.
  • [22:30:19] <veremit> I'd go with the wand .. its got peripherals ..although the doc is crap
  • [22:30:27] <agmlego> Pandaboard.
  • [22:30:29] <veremit> check the schematics .. its def. got spi
  • [22:30:36] <Laurenceb__> what about gumstix?
  • [22:30:44] <agmlego> THose are old and $$$$
  • [22:30:45] <veremit> gumstix is old ..
  • [22:30:51] <agmlego> *Super* old.
  • [22:30:54] <veremit> panda is .. imx6 no?
  • [22:31:00] <agmlego> No.
  • [22:31:03] <agmlego> OMAP4.
  • [22:31:11] <Laurenceb__> oh
  • [22:31:15] <agmlego> Pandaboard was the next-up from the xM.
  • [22:31:18] <Laurenceb__> i thought it was allwinner
  • [22:31:21] <Laurenceb__> ill take a look
  • [22:31:33] <agmlego> Laurenceb__: YOu are not good at reearch then, are you. ;-P
  • [22:31:39] <veremit> as long as its not am335x
  • [22:31:42] <Laurenceb__> heh
  • [22:31:45] <agmlego> Pandaboard's front page says the processor. ;-P
  • [22:31:57] <Laurenceb__> pandaboard is a bit big
  • [22:32:00] <Laurenceb__> too heavy
  • [22:32:27] <agmlego> ...
  • [22:32:29] <agmlego> ...
  • [22:32:31] <agmlego> ...
  • [22:32:43] <agmlego> Then you need to design your own board from scratch.
  • [22:33:13] <Laurenceb__> yeah i have been considering it
  • [22:33:15] <Laurenceb__> stm32f4
  • [22:33:16] <agmlego> Or, ou know, give us enough information about your project that we can actually help in a meaningful manner.,
  • [22:33:34] <veremit> stm32 won't give you much grunt
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  • [22:34:13] <Laurenceb__> ok ill spill the beans
  • [22:34:33] <Laurenceb__> it has to fit on a balloon, there is a 100gram mass budget for the electronics + batteries
  • [22:35:05] <Laurenceb__> it has to film a rocket launch and send framegrabs back down + store the mpeg video
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  • [22:35:46] <agmlego> ...you just exceeded your mass budget by using the GoPro.
  • [22:35:46] <Laurenceb__> oh - 100grams excluding the gopro
  • [22:35:50] <agmlego> Sorry, try again.
  • [22:35:53] <agmlego> Ah.
  • [22:36:02] <agmlego> So you have a 250g payload.
  • [22:36:12] <Laurenceb__> more or less
  • [22:36:31] <Laurenceb__> framegrabs get radioed back down
  • [22:36:36] <Laurenceb__> mpeg is stored onboard
  • [22:36:39] <agmlego> YOu know the GoPro has a WiFi AP built in, right?
  • [22:36:41] <veremit> wow .. batteries gonna be killer on that too
  • [22:36:51] <agmlego> YOu can download frames and movies off of that, and control it over that.
  • [22:36:52] <veremit> wifi won't give you 100fps :p
  • [22:37:05] <agmlego> veremit: He never said he needed 100fps on the downlink.
  • [22:37:09] <agmlego> I assume that he does not.
  • [22:37:10] <veremit> heh no
  • [22:37:18] <Laurenceb__> yeah
  • [22:37:29] <veremit> depends how high the baloon gonna go .. wifi will go a short distance
  • [22:37:34] <Laurenceb__> no
  • [22:37:37] <Laurenceb__> wifi to the BBB
  • [22:37:38] <agmlego> Laurenceb__: I suggest maybe looking into the automation capabilities of the GoPro itself.
  • [22:37:43] <Laurenceb__> ok
  • [22:37:47] <agmlego> No, WiFi to ground.
  • [22:37:47] <Laurenceb__> yeah it can be rooted
  • [22:37:50] <Laurenceb__> oh...
  • [22:37:51] <agmlego> Why root it?
  • [22:37:56] <Laurenceb__> its 37km up
  • [22:38:01] <agmlego> YOu can probably do this entire thing by using it stock.
  • [22:38:06] <Laurenceb__> so i can do the framegrabbing on the gopro
  • [22:38:12] <Laurenceb__> then i only need an stm32
  • [22:38:13] <agmlego> See, this is why you need to give us information.
  • [22:38:21] <Laurenceb__> as mpeg decode on stm32 is too hard
  • [22:38:27] <agmlego> We assumed the balloon was 10m up.
  • [22:38:34] <agmlego> Because you did not tell us that
  • [22:38:39] <veremit> "we" ..
  • [22:38:44] <agmlego> Data data data. We cannot help without data.
  • [22:39:06] <veremit> arduino would give you control
  • [22:39:11] <agmlego> Yup.
  • [22:39:26] <agmlego> Maybe Intel Edison.
  • [22:39:32] <Laurenceb__> heh
  • [22:39:33] <agmlego> THat would work nicely.
  • [22:39:52] <Laurenceb__> ill look up the interfaces
  • [22:40:22] <agmlego> It has all of them.
  • [22:41:31] <veremit> its an Atom!
  • [22:41:36] <veremit> cute!
  • [22:41:38] <Laurenceb__> no adc
  • [22:41:53] <veremit> yeah I'd keep to a simple micro
  • [22:41:57] <veremit> no need for a cpu
  • [22:42:07] <Laurenceb__> is there a gopro irc channel?
  • [22:42:16] <agmlego> veremit: If Laurenceb__ needs to get frames off the camera, he needs a CPU.
  • [22:42:19] <veremit> its not gonna be up for ever is it? the gopro will have enouhg storage on it
  • [22:42:21] <agmlego> Laurenceb__: Probably?
  • [22:42:28] <Laurenceb__> cant find one :-/
  • [22:42:39] <Laurenceb__> but gopro runs linux and has been rooted
  • [22:42:46] <agmlego> Laurenceb__: ...you know you can get ADC chips, right?
  • [22:42:49] <Laurenceb__> so it should be possible to make it do framegrabbing
  • [22:42:52] <Laurenceb__> yes
  • [22:43:01] <agmlego> So bolt one onto the Edison's bus.
  • [22:43:10] <agmlego> YOu are going to nee a support board anyway.
  • [22:43:10] <Laurenceb__> still a lot of work - i have pcb etc all finished for BBB
  • [22:43:14] <Laurenceb__> yeah
  • [22:43:28] <agmlego> But we already determined that relying on the bone's USB is a bad idea, so that is scrap.
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  • [22:43:35] <Laurenceb__> hmf
  • [22:43:40] <Laurenceb__> massive waste of time
  • [22:43:43] <agmlego> Sure.
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  • [22:43:53] <agmlego> THis is why you research things ahead of time. ;-P
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  • [22:43:56] <Laurenceb__> heh
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  • [22:44:06] <agmlego> The USB thing has been an issue for basically the entire history opf the project.
  • [22:44:07] <Laurenceb__> ive spent the past few months getting all the kit together
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  • [22:44:17] <veremit> boink
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  • [22:44:40] <agmlego> Laurenceb__: Or, you know, get into the GoPro hacking community.
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  • [22:45:01] <Laurenceb__> yeah ill see how hard it is to hack the gopro and add framegrab
  • [22:46:06] <Laurenceb__> as there is stm32 code for connecting to mass storage and copying files off
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  • [22:47:26] <veremit> http://petapixel.com/2014/05/22/know-can-set-gopro-take-high-res-stills-shooting-video/
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  • [22:47:53] <veremit> Laurenceb .. wouodn't bother taking the files off until final download
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  • [22:48:04] <veremit> you've got the whole secondary storage to 'do' as well then
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  • [22:48:25] <veremit> unless you really are limited on storage on the gopro , which I can't believe ..
  • [22:48:37] <veremit> keep it simple :)
  • [22:48:39] <Laurenceb__> yeah
  • [22:48:47] <Laurenceb__> thanks for the link, looks useful
  • [22:49:32] <veremit> from what little I've seen .. those are natty lil cameras
  • [22:49:49] <Laurenceb__> they are very well designed
  • [22:49:55] <veremit> mate took a video of a rally session he did with one .. its up on youtube :)
  • [22:49:59] <Laurenceb__> the filtering is particularly nice
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  • [22:50:03] <Laurenceb__> adaptive wavelet stuff
  • [22:50:38] <agmlego> I have been impressed with mine.
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  • [22:51:13] <veremit> any small micro will handle control / sensors easily
  • [22:51:32] <Laurenceb__> yeah
  • [22:51:40] <veremit> leave the storage to another system I'd say
  • [22:51:44] <Laurenceb__> chibios on an stm32 makes it trivial
  • [22:51:47] <veremit> else you're creating a headache
  • [22:52:00] <Laurenceb__> if i can set ~10 still per second id be happy
  • [22:52:09] <Laurenceb__> need to try an ash script
  • [22:52:09] <veremit> you -could- do PI + daughter board if you wanted
  • [22:52:16] <Laurenceb__> maybe
  • [22:52:58] * veremit coughs .. recommending a PI .. holy crap :/ *facepalm*
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  • [22:53:17] <agmlego> Laurenceb__: ...how exactly are you planning on sending down 10fps video from this system?
  • [22:53:32] <Laurenceb__> using a silabs transmitter ic
  • [22:53:37] <veremit> but if you do .. remember the LAN is through the BCM's usb port
  • [22:53:40] <buzzsaw> sweet almost time to go home :-)
  • [22:53:40] <Laurenceb__> it will take several minutes to send
  • [22:53:45] <buzzsaw> yall have a good weekend!
  • [22:53:55] <veremit> later g8er
  • [22:54:02] <Laurenceb__> cool
  • [22:54:09] <Laurenceb__> this looks way more likely to work
  • [22:54:20] <Laurenceb__> ill try to hack the gopro still+video mode
  • [22:54:24] <Laurenceb__> then use stm32f4
  • [22:54:28] <veremit> which one Laurenceb?
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  • [22:55:04] <veremit> I still wouldn't bother with the stm .. its overkill for justmoving data around.
  • [22:55:16] <Laurenceb__> it has to run quite a few peripherals
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  • [22:55:24] <Laurenceb__> and transcode jpeg for the downlink
  • [22:55:29] <agmlego> Hoiw many? What busses?
  • [22:55:41] <agmlego> Why transcode? The GoPro takes stills in JPEG already.
  • [22:55:45] <Laurenceb__> i know
  • [22:55:56] <Laurenceb__> but im using a midified format
  • [22:56:00] <veremit> Again .. keep it simple ;)
  • [22:56:14] <Laurenceb__> https://github.com/fsphil/ssdv
  • [22:56:20] <agmlego> ::gives up::
  • [22:56:21] <veremit> otherwise you're only creating headaches lol
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  • [22:56:50] <Laurenceb__> i have a headache atm :P
  • [22:56:59] <veremit> the radio won't do that?
  • [22:57:00] <Laurenceb__> from getting stressed about this thing
  • [22:57:02] <Laurenceb__> no
  • [22:57:20] <Laurenceb__> the radio sits on spi bus and gets sent bits :P
  • [22:57:21] <veremit> hrm.
  • [22:57:26] <veremit> gawd
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  • [22:58:36] <Laurenceb__> its a one direction unacknowledged downlink
  • [22:58:37] <agmlego> Most radio modems have built-in ECC and re-transmit hardware.
  • [22:58:41] <agmlego> Oh.
  • [22:58:48] <agmlego> Another useful bit of data.
  • [22:59:06] <Laurenceb__> we dont have a license to tx from the ground
  • [22:59:28] * agmlego stops trying to pull teeth and goes elsewhere for a while.
  • [22:59:38] <agmlego> Best of luck in...whatever it is you are trying to do, Laurenceb__
  • [22:59:51] <Laurenceb__> thanks
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  • [23:00:10] <Laurenceb__> secret project :D
  • [23:00:35] <agmlego> Commissioned by SETEC Astronomy.
  • [23:00:52] <Laurenceb__> well ive been trying to get UK space agency involved
  • [23:01:00] <Laurenceb__> dunno if they will be interested...
  • [23:01:32] <Laurenceb__> atm im financing this myself
  • [23:01:33] <veremit> lol I gotta brb also.
  • [23:01:47] <veremit> Sounds like you got a few 'odd' choices of hardware in there .. which are gonna make your life hard :)
  • [23:01:50] <veremit> br
  • [23:01:51] <veremit> b
  • [23:04:04] <agmlego> Laurenceb__: YOu missed it: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0105435/quotes?item=qt0448964
  • [23:04:32] <Laurenceb__> oh
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  • [23:34:14] <Laurenceb__> hmf
  • [23:34:29] <Laurenceb__> GoPro cant do photo + video mode at 240fps
  • [23:34:41] <Laurenceb__> at least ... not with the default settings
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