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  • [00:01:07] * Set by KotH!~attila@lou-outside.kinali.ch on Fri Sep 12 15:14:32 UTC 2014
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  • [00:09:04] <yates> my 3.8.13-bone64 /boot/uEnv.txt uses syntax "cape_[enable | disable]=capemgr.[enable | disable]_partno=...", but this howto uses a more simple "capemgr.[enable | disable]_partno=...". which one is correct? https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDsQFjAD&url=https%3A%2F%2Flearn.adafruit.com%2Fdownloads%2Fpdf%2Fintroduction-to-the-beaglebone-black-device-tree.pdf&ei=m9AYVKO
  • [00:09:04] <yates> THcLCsATXn4LYCA&usg=AFQjCNGipVqpjh5JgGFoyAoxDc-N9vocIg&sig2=P2VTIoENpp2TzehvbxhrRw
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  • [00:09:35] <yates> this one: https://learn.adafruit.com/downloads/pdf/introduction-to-the-beaglebone-black-device-tree.pdf
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  • [00:13:00] <yates> jkridner: ?
  • [00:13:30] <jkridner> Did you look at the existing uEnv.txt file?
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  • [00:17:00] <yates> yes. i just wondered why they differed.
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  • [00:19:49] <yates> jkridner: also, the "part-number" specification for the cape-universal and cape-universaln are the same, so how do you specify the "n" version in the uEnv.txt?
  • [00:19:50] <thurgood> not always one way to skin a cat
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  • [00:20:26] <yates> isn't it the "part-number" syntax in the .dts file that should be specified in uEnv.txt?
  • [00:20:39] <yates> the part-number property, that is.
  • [00:21:00] <yates> they're both "cape-bone-universal"
  • [00:22:19] <yates> (i'm referring to the last section on p.11 of that .pdf)
  • [00:22:19] <ds2> jkridner: would it be a bad idea for a speech recogonition system on a Beagle to be referred to as Boris?
  • [00:24:45] <yates> ds2: what engine are you using? i was working on a pocketsphinx earlier this year.
  • [00:25:23] <ds2> yates: either that or there are some simplier ones setup for audriuno stuff
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  • [00:25:46] <yates> yeah, i'd go with something else. i found the pocketsphinx code to be... horrendous.
  • [00:25:57] <ds2> the code or the accuracy?
  • [00:26:04] <yates> the design of the code.
  • [00:26:19] <ds2> ah. trying to avoid screwing with the code if I can help it
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  • [00:26:46] <ds2> I have it running but the accuracy leaves a lot to be desired... current theory is the audio hardware (the ADCs) are incredibly noisy
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  • [00:28:57] <yates> thurgood: any thoughts on the part-number question?
  • [00:29:19] <yates> shouldn't different dts file use unique part-number's?
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  • [00:30:30] <thurgood> nope, havne't used any capes yet
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  • [00:37:03] <ds2> yates: he gets yanked off for random stuff a lot
  • [00:37:20] <yates> i can see why
  • [00:37:28] <ds2> not just IRC
  • [00:37:42] <yates> wasn't he at TI for many years?
  • [00:37:51] <yates> or is he still?
  • [00:37:54] <ds2> he still is
  • [00:38:28] <yates> i was there for a contract about 3 years ago. saw templeton in the lunch room.. pretty wild gig.
  • [00:39:29] <yates> of course there are many TI sites...
  • [00:40:02] <ds2> and many arms
  • [00:40:12] <yates> ha ha. was that a pun?
  • [00:40:35] <ds2> a pun but not in the way you are thinking of ;)
  • [00:41:28] <yates> well this part-number thing has got me confounded: the cape-univ-emmc dts file also has the same part number.
  • [00:41:59] <yates> i'm wondering if these are errors in the file definitions, or on purpose.
  • [00:42:35] <yates> referring to this, btw: https://github.com/cdsteinkuehler/beaglebone-universal-io
  • [00:45:53] <ds2> not much help here... i don't do things that way
  • [00:45:57] <yates> wups. that pdf is for angstrom. shoot!
  • [00:46:50] <yates> this device tree stuff is a problem. umpteen different documents, each having inconsistencies, for two different OSes...
  • [00:47:25] <yates> someone needs to define the device tree "bible"
  • [00:48:29] <yates> jkridner: if you could PLEASE provide some guidance on my last few questions, going back to 20:18 (EST), i would appreciate it.
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  • [00:49:31] <ds2> DT/arm is a work in progress
  • [00:50:57] <yates> that's for sure.
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  • [00:53:28] <ds2> what are you trying to do again?
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  • [02:21:09] <yates> ds2: i am trying to recover control of many of the signals on P8 from OS control
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  • [02:21:15] <yates> e.g., MMC1
  • [02:21:33] <yates> my cape uses them for other functions
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  • [02:24:41] <kamileon> is there a preferred usb hub to use with the BBB
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  • [03:59:45] <ds2> yates: consider chucking the DT kernels and going with an older non DT one?
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  • [04:07:48] <Bob_Saget> just retired my BBB as my mail server for over a year, now it's an odroid u3
  • [04:08:17] <Bob_Saget> the BBB had ip issues, would just lose it randomly and was real annoying to reset
  • [04:08:34] <Bob_Saget> odroid, not a single problem
  • [04:08:41] <Bob_Saget> what is up with the BBB ethernet interface?
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  • [04:19:27] <yates> Bob_Saget: was that the standard wired ethernet interface?
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  • [04:28:37] <Bob_Saget> yes, the one thing I love about the BBB (that all others should do) is that USB networking
  • [04:29:09] <ka_na_ka> I was wondering if there are any good simulators around for the board
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  • [05:27:39] <yates> if you stick a 16 GB microSD on the board, isn't all that extra space available via the bbb filesytem (e.g., /home)?
  • [05:28:15] <yates> i guess i'm wondering if there is a limit on the MMC bus address space/
  • [05:28:22] <yates> s#/#.#
  • [05:30:47] <av500> no
  • [05:30:58] <av500> maybe at 2TB or so
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  • [06:52:29] <Freddy_> Hi, perhaps a silly question , I always used GPIO output to provide a voltage to drive something (a led , a transistor base etc), can GPIOs be used as outputs to pull down to ground an existing voltage (i.e. current flowing from Vcc through a photocoupler) ?? Thanks
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  • [06:57:14] <woglinde> Freddy_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General-purpose_input/output
  • [06:57:57] <tbr> also make sure not to exceed voltage and current limits
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  • [07:08:51] <Freddy_> woglinde_ Thanks , I've understood I got to work around active_low file....
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  • [07:26:36] <hitlin37> #define SKY_IS_THE_LIMIT 2TB
  • [07:36:46] <BennyB> hi, what is the current reccomended kernel version for BBB? I have 3.8.13-bone56. is there any good reason to update the kernel
  • [07:37:52] <BennyB> I've een from RobertCNelsons github that 3.8.13-bone65 is current version
  • [07:38:20] <BennyB> or can I use a newer branch? - I need capemgr...
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  • [07:40:40] <BennyB> as mentioned yesterday I have issues with my hdmi out. Sometimes (at the moment very often) the screen of my attached DVI monitor keeps black. No hdmi signal from bbb...
  • [07:40:59] <BennyB> is it maybee a idea to update kernel to a newer revision?
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  • [07:49:42] <av500> what are you running?
  • [07:50:06] <BennyB> debian wheezy
  • [07:50:40] <BennyB> all created with Roberts eewiki guide
  • [07:50:40] <av500> bless you
  • [07:50:43] <tbr> shouldn't apt-get dist-upgrade just pull that in then?
  • [07:50:56] <tbr> ah, home built image, no idea then
  • [07:52:25] <BennyB> home built, but did not change very much from roberts image. mainly just the boot logo from kernel and some more partitions on sd card
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  • [07:54:15] <BennyB> I'm afraid that apt-get dist-upgrade blows my system... what could happen in worst case?
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  • [07:59:57] <BennyB> tbr: after thinking a while.. dist-upgrade would update my kernel to new stock kernel, am I right? So my changes (boot logo) to the kernel would be gone.
  • [08:00:40] <BennyB> so what you think guy shoul I try to rebuild my kernel with 3.8-bone65 ?
  • [08:01:37] <BennyB> What I am wondering is : where can sombody see what changes have been made to the kernel versions?
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  • [08:02:40] <thoi> how to write an image to emmc
  • [08:02:45] <BennyB> o does only Robert know what he did? I mean reading all commit logs does not bring enlightment to me, because some/most of the commit logs are very short/cryptic
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  • [08:05:04] <av500> thoi: flasher on sdcard
  • [08:05:34] <thoi> without using sd card .is it possible
  • [08:05:46] <av500> anything is possible
  • [08:06:00] <av500> but spending $5 on a card is way simpler
  • [08:06:54] <LetoThe2nd> thoi: read up on https://github.com/ungureanuvladvictor/BBBlfs
  • [08:07:01] <LetoThe2nd> thoi: and then buy a sd card ;)
  • [08:07:29] <thoi> yeah,but still excited to know
  • [08:07:41] <LetoThe2nd> then read given repository.
  • [08:08:15] * vvu found his git repo here
  • [08:08:29] <Freddy_> woglinde : I understood also GPIOs don't need particular configuration to provide current to or sink current from , probably they have totem-pole structure , the active_high or low is just needed to be configured for positive or negative logic as desired. Regards.
  • [08:08:36] <vvu> thoi: ping if you have any issues with the tool
  • [08:08:56] <tbr> BennyB: not sure it will, but yeah
  • [08:09:04] <tbr> worth a try
  • [08:09:24] <thoi> ok
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  • [09:17:25] <sam__> HI
  • [09:18:39] <sam__> I am not able to login Beagle bone while connecting through the USB.
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  • [19:14:49] <rcn-ee> jkridner, just pushed a new 3.14, pinmux-helper has the mode patch, all the usarts are enabled in the fat binary, just forgot my usart capes at home today.. (looks like they are working from userspace)
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  • [19:37:24] <jkridner> rcn-ee: thanks!
  • [19:37:51] <jkridner> by usarts, do you really mean usarts or uarts?
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  • [20:09:34] <shkolhe_> kh
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  • [20:13:42] <veremit> animal abuse! call PETA ! :p
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  • [20:18:59] <m_billybob> well some comedian *could* also be writtign whats it ? "Y" to /dev/watchdog
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  • [20:21:58] <rcn-ee> so far up, 58 mins, totally random .;)
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  • [21:11:13] <diakonos> Hey beaglebone crew - I've been racking my head on backing up my SD card. I'm on a mac, and it seems like I can either backup the FAT partition OR the ext4 Partition, but never both. My goal is to transfer the image from an 8GB to a 16GB SD card. From what I read, I'll need both the FAT AND the ext4 partition ... any advice?
  • [21:13:34] <_av500_> why only one and not both?
  • [21:13:39] <_av500_> how do you read the card?
  • [21:14:32] <diakonos> dd bs=1m if=/dev/rdisk3 (on the MAC) ... this looks to only get the FAT partition
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  • [21:16:04] <diakonos> when reading from the BBB, dd bs=1m if=/dev/mmcblk0p2
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  • [21:18:24] <_av500_> http://smittytone.wordpress.com/2013/09/06/back-up-a-raspberry-pi-sd-card-using-a-mac/
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  • [21:23:08] <yates> in the bbb, nice tables are provided for the P8 and P9 expansion connectors of the signals available in each "mode".
  • [21:23:27] <yates> i'm trying to access a signal on a custom cape using this technique: http://www.armhf.com/using-beaglebone-black-gpios/
  • [21:23:45] <yates> (an input signal), but the value isn't changing.
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  • [21:24:11] <yates> i'm thinking the pin may not be in the right "mode" (mode 7).
  • [21:24:22] <yates> so how does one set the mode of the pin?
  • [21:24:38] <ds2> via a register in the control module.
  • [21:25:31] <yates> what is the control module?
  • [21:25:46] <ds2> see TRM
  • [21:26:12] <sherring> yates: hey, have you resolved that issue on your debian being powered over expansion pin?
  • [21:26:17] <yates> yes
  • [21:26:24] <yates> it had nothign to do with power
  • [21:26:46] <yates> i had to configure the device tree for the signals using a dts file
  • [21:27:07] <yates> they were conflicting with the OS use until i overrode them
  • [21:27:43] <yates> debian now runs indefinitely. yay!
  • [21:27:55] <yates> (even with the cape installed)
  • [21:27:57] <ds2> Oh no! the nonstop debian
  • [21:28:14] <sherring> nice!
  • [21:30:27] <yates> since the input signals from the cape were unpowered (they're powered by a regulator from the cape's 5VDC) when running from USB or AC adapter input, it only LOOKED like a power issue
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  • [21:30:54] <m_billybob> if=/dev/mmcblk0 of=/path/to/backup.img
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  • [21:31:19] <yates> m_billybob: add a "dd " in front of that.
  • [21:31:28] <m_billybob> no need
  • [21:32:06] <yates> i'll stick to explicit commands, but go right ahead...
  • [21:32:24] <m_billybob> if=/dev/mmcblk0p1 == first partition if=/dev/mmcblk0p2 == second parition if=/dev/mmcblk0 == whole disk
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  • [21:32:38] <yates> (i didn't even know that would work...)
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  • [21:33:09] <sherring> using gpio this way is terribly slow... Unless I was doing something wrong when i tried this way... have you tried mapping the L cache?
  • [21:34:08] <yates> sherring: are you talking to me?
  • [21:34:38] <sherring> yates: yes
  • [21:34:46] <yates> how slow is "terribly slow"?
  • [21:34:54] <yates> like, every 20 weeks?
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  • [21:35:31] <yates> what is the L cache?
  • [21:36:22] <yates> i've read a couple of articles about folks using the PRU to do it.
  • [21:36:37] <yates> i'm trying to avoid that, if i can get a 10 Hz read rate.
  • [21:37:19] <sherring> yates: I dont know how often you would need to perform RW, but I couldnt do it for more than like 1.5 kHz
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  • [21:37:53] <yates> i need to do it at 10 Hz
  • [21:38:02] <sherring> gpio module is controled by a set of registers in a given cache
  • [21:38:08] <yates> 1.5 kHz sounds whopping fast to me.
  • [21:38:13] <sherring> ah, then you are good to go
  • [21:38:30] <yates> i have never heard of registers being in a "cache".
  • [21:38:54] <yates> usualy a "cache" is high speed memory that is used to buffer data or program instructions.
  • [21:39:21] <yates> sherring: is that explained in the TRM?
  • [21:41:14] <sherring> that would not be completly wrong, but I was talking about processors memory, where you have a few levels of ram memory, named Lx cache
  • [21:42:00] <sherring> yates: sadly, i dont know what TRM stands for :/
  • [21:42:38] <yates> technical reference manual
  • [21:42:46] <yates> http://www.ti.com/lit/ug/spruh73k/spruh73k.pdf
  • [21:43:35] <sherring> sounds like a noob question, i know... and probably is :P
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  • [21:43:53] <yates> we all crawl before we walk.
  • [21:44:30] <yates> anyone who pretends otherwise has a weak ego...
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  • [21:45:29] <yates> ds2: thanks for the control module hint - excellent!
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  • [21:46:54] <yates> is there a /sys place where you control that in the kernel?
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  • [21:47:36] <sherring> I dont know specifics o the BBB processor, but seems that GPIO is also controlled by L4 cache
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  • [21:50:07] <yates> sherring: i'm not an expert on the kernel, but what you may be tryign to say is that the kernel driver translates gpio requests into kernel space accesses and then have to convert that to user space for a user space program to access
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  • [21:52:39] <yates> at least that's my mental model
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  • [21:55:29] <sherring> yates: got it. Since on ARM processors there is no such "rings", like intel ones - at least on the models i have worked with - there is no physical restriction on memory access. So you can - given that you absolutely know what you are doing - write direct tothe memory
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  • [21:56:27] <sherring> so, what really is gooing on is linux API being called
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  • [21:57:01] <yates> i think so. like i said, i'm not an expert.
  • [21:57:34] <yates> wait, no, i don't think any user space program can write anywhere
  • [21:57:47] <yates> the MMU / OS handle partitioning things, I believe
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  • [21:58:55] <sherring> that is right, except that you can access the whole thing through /dev/mem
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  • [22:01:15] <sherring> yates: check this out http://elinux.org/EBC_Exercise_02_Flashing_an_LED
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  • [22:02:15] <m_billybob> sherring, you can do this with the BBB too or any beagle I believe
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  • [22:02:27] <sherring> yates: basiclly the same as the first link you sent, but with a few more text
  • [22:02:28] <m_billybob> there are mmap'd PRU examples on the web
  • [22:02:59] <sherring> nice, i only have experience with xM, so no PRUs for me, yet
  • [22:03:23] <yates> m_billybob: for the Real Men(TM)?
  • [22:03:31] <m_billybob> I've ben told 10Mhz would not be unreasonable for mmap reads, perhaps writes too
  • [22:03:48] <yates> holy $@#*()@ crap.
  • [22:04:15] <m_billybob> well actually
  • [22:04:26] <m_billybob> 10Mhz would be PRUI specific
  • [22:04:31] <m_billybob> PRU*
  • [22:04:42] <yates> yes, but still.
  • [22:04:50] <sherring> that is what i was looking for, large bandwidth for RT control
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  • [22:05:14] <m_billybob> sherring, yeah its possible but dependant. you only have two PRU's after all
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  • [22:05:49] <yates> i may like to use the PRU for doing some basic DSP conditioning on the AINx inputs, e.g., filtering and decimation.
  • [22:06:25] <m_billybob> I think the ADC's are capped at 160KHz or 22Khz for all 7 channel going at once
  • [22:06:39] <m_billybob> no hands on, this is just what ive read
  • [22:06:51] <sherring> yates: check chap 25, specifically 25.3.1, where it tells about modes
  • [22:07:01] <yates> sherring: thanks - already found it.
  • [22:07:28] <yates> and this, for settin gthem: http://rampic.com/beagleboneblack/
  • [22:07:52] <sherring> now, that is for each GPIO module. You probably need to set eath pin individually
  • [22:08:19] <yates> now, this is for each pin individually
  • [22:08:40] <m_billybob> PRU could technicaly toggle a GPIO at 200Mhz lol
  • [22:09:33] <yates> you could make a damned good delta sigma D/A converter at that rate
  • [22:09:50] <m_billybob> no resolution
  • [22:09:55] <sherring> I guess the internal bus would not allow that
  • [22:10:11] <yates> m_billybob: no, gobs of bits.
  • [22:10:30] <yates> m_billybob: http://www.digitalsignallabs.com/presentation.pdf
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  • [22:11:20] <yates> just oversampling alone gives you log_4(M) bits extra, where M is the oversamplling factor.
  • [22:11:33] <m_billybob> personally all I'd ever need would be 2Mhz tops i think. Maybe up to 4Mhz for high speed power switching
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  • [22:13:01] <sherring> yates: have you figured it out already, the gpio issue?
  • [22:13:21] <yates> just about
  • [22:13:49] <yates> i don't see how to change those registers. i can see that my GPIO2_12 is not in mode 7, which is what I want.
  • [22:14:03] <yates> that article shows how to read them but not change them
  • [22:14:33] <sherring> are you pooling it in shell scpt, c++, python...?
  • [22:14:42] <m_billybob> yates are you using cape universal ? im assuming you're using a beaglebone black ?
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  • [22:18:58] <yates> m_billybob: no, i have my own dts file. BBB rev c
  • [22:19:03] <yates> sherring: c++
  • [22:19:15] <yates> but right now just trying thigns out in bash
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  • [22:21:22] <m_billybob> revc should come wit huniversalio on it already
  • [22:21:36] <yates> it does
  • [22:21:44] <m_billybob> you dont like it ?
  • [22:21:46] <m_billybob> https://github.com/cdsteinkuehler/beaglebone-universal-io
  • [22:21:48] <yates> no, i don't
  • [22:22:06] <yates> perhaps i didn't understand it
  • [22:22:09] <m_billybob> why not ?
  • [22:22:12] <m_billybob> ah
  • [22:22:24] <m_billybob> much easier to understadn that fooking with dts files
  • [22:22:31] <m_billybob> ymmv though
  • [22:22:50] <yates> well, for example, why do cape-universal and cape-universaln have the same part-number?
  • [22:23:10] <m_billybob> is that really important ?
  • [22:23:18] <m_billybob> you can only load one at a time
  • [22:23:38] <m_billybob> each one defaults to a different set of pins for emmc and hdmi
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  • [22:24:10] <m_billybob> well by that i mean you can disable or enable any number of the above
  • [22:24:14] <yates> i'm not going to take the time to justify it. suffice it to say the dts i have works, the initial pass (or two or three) with universal did not.
  • [22:24:21] <m_billybob> whcih is to say emmc, and hdmi video / audio
  • [22:24:53] <m_billybob> except you pin you're talking abotu is not in mode 7 ;)
  • [22:25:04] <yates> yes, i know that.
  • [22:25:06] <yates> now.
  • [22:25:21] <m_billybob> whcih could be done on the fly with universal-io assuming it is not taken by somethign else
  • [22:25:42] <m_billybob> anyhow, work to do have fun !
  • [22:25:45] <yates> hey, m_billybob, are you the universal-io salesman?
  • [22:26:29] <m_billybob> no im the guy with a little bit of sanity . . .
  • [22:26:32] <m_billybob> catch you later.
  • [22:27:07] <yates> with your sane approach, i'd still be stuck at step 1a.
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  • [22:36:20] <yates> where can i find the documentation for dts format?
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  • [22:39:39] <yates> nm, found it
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  • [22:49:33] <veremit> he musta escaped
  • [22:59:48] <yates> hmm. well i thought i found it, but it doesn't provide info on, e.g., fragments
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  • [23:27:19] <suihkulokki> *** Warning - readenv() failed, using default environment
  • [23:27:35] <suihkulokki> and saveenv fails with:
  • [23:27:35] <suihkulokki> Attempt to erase non block-aligned data
  • [23:27:47] <suihkulokki> on BBB
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