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  • [04:42:55] <newsham> what voltage levels do the various busses on the cap use for io? ie. the GPIOs and SPIs and I2Cs ...
  • [04:43:09] <newsham> s/cap/cape/ of a bbone black
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  • [04:44:32] <newsham> i was skimming the systems manual and the Soc manual and i couldnt figure it out. :(
  • [04:44:42] <newsham> (guessing 3.3? hoping 1.8v for the SPI, but skeptical)
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  • [04:48:49] <newsham> 272 clients and no one to talk to
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  • [04:48:57] <tbr> newsham: most uses 3.3V, both the SRM and the TRM should know
  • [04:49:10] <tbr> newsham: patience is a virtue, especially on IRC
  • [04:49:17] <newsham> indeed. :(
  • [04:49:38] <tbr> only 1.8V IIRC is the ADC
  • [04:49:43] <newsham> <- not to virtuous tonight.. any idea where i would find this in the srm and trm?
  • [04:50:04] <tbr> srm is the system reference manual, you said you have
  • [04:50:19] <newsham> yah, i've got it open here now
  • [04:50:24] <tbr> and the Technical reference manual is for the SoC
  • [04:50:48] <newsham> i see the spi signals mentioned, i see the spi signals on the schematic, etc.. but i dont see any ref to voltage
  • [04:51:00] <tbr> trm will be a file named spruh73...
  • [04:51:22] <tbr> I'm quite sure it's 3.3V though
  • [04:52:24] <newsham> http://www.ti.com/lit/ug/spruh73k/spruh73k.pdf
  • [04:52:49] <newsham> starting on 4770 there's docs on mcspi.. i didnt notice volt info
  • [04:53:08] <newsham> i guess i'll just have to use a meter
  • [04:53:23] <newsham> i think i'm gonna have to buy a level converter :(
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  • [05:08:17] <newsham> hrmm.. maybe not.. my spi flash clearly says its 1.8v, but i just saw a slide where someone says they used a buspirate to connect to it, but that uses 3.3v levels
  • [05:08:25] <newsham> maybe the chip is more tolerant than expected
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  • [11:34:56] <simha> Hi
  • [11:35:28] <simha> Is beaglebone black am335x has support of GPU.
  • [11:35:55] <simha> Please any one give me confirmation on this.
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  • [11:38:12] <tbr> SGX is supposed to work on some software configurations
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  • [11:38:28] <tbr> used to be only on 3.2 kernel, but supposedly on quite recent ones
  • [11:38:34] <tbr> no, i do NOT know details
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  • [11:40:06] <LetoThe2nd> so basically: do _not_ assume that anything in graphics is accelerated on the BBB
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  • [11:52:49] <berzerka> hi
  • [11:52:53] <hitlin37> simha: what are you trying on achieve with GPU on bb.
  • [11:53:39] <berzerka> i have just bought a used beagleboard xm without sd card. now i wonder if it makes sense to get a high-speed sd card for it, which allows up to 90MB/s read and 45MB/s write speed.
  • [11:54:07] <berzerka> will the device be able to make use of that bandwidth? otherwise i will get a normal class 10 type card..
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  • [12:39:10] <simha> actually i am running chromium-browser on beaglebone
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  • [12:40:34] <simha> graphics issue is there, for that reason GPU support will be there or not i am confirming...
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  • [12:41:42] <woglinde> simha what?
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  • [12:59:52] <simha> bb has support of GPU , how can i enable it?
  • [13:00:19] <simha> is there any procedure to approach ?..
  • [13:00:56] <simha> Please any one can suggest me it may helpful to me..
  • [13:01:09] <LetoThe2nd> since there are no maintained, known good drivers available: no procedure today, sorry.
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  • [13:03:08] <thurgood> simha: which board?
  • [13:05:08] <av500> BBB
  • [13:05:15] <thurgood> Robert C Nelson has a kernel that supports the gpu, but as far as I know only in console (fb) mode
  • [13:06:42] <woglinde> there is no official driver since kernel 3.2
  • [13:06:53] <woglinde> with 3d support
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  • [13:07:12] <thurgood> official, no
  • [13:07:31] <thurgood> is Ti even teasing of having support anymore?
  • [13:09:56] <woglinde> thurgood there is a alpha release
  • [13:10:04] <woglinde> or some newer
  • [13:10:12] <woglinde> but not for bbb directly
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  • [13:48:15] <jkridner> thurgood: TI did a quick update of the DRM driver to enable SGX to work on the DRM-based kernels.
  • [13:49:01] <jkridner> thurgood, woglinde: historically, TI has only supported the graphics on the Android and SDK kernels/stacks, so it is a bit of positive.
  • [13:49:13] <thurgood> ok, but is it working yet?
  • [13:49:23] <jkridner> currently trying to identify all the functional gaps.
  • [13:49:39] <thurgood> they haven't had an sdk kernel in a while though, have they?
  • [13:49:53] <jkridner> probably will outsource the dev work and need the right requirements set.
  • [13:50:20] <jkridner> thurgood: they continue working on the next SDK kernels, which is why you see a lot of work against 3.14.
  • [13:50:37] <thurgood> ah, ok.. just curious
  • [13:50:59] <jkridner> strategy is still to push changes to mainline and back-port and apply not-yet-ready-for-mainline fixes to a lagging kernel (in this case, 3.14).
  • [13:52:19] <jkridner> I wish I could get some kind of development report from those guys, but you just have to follow linux-omap and take guesses it seems. :(
  • [13:52:40] <jkridner> I might try asking again in a different way... perhaps I just don't know what to ask for...
  • [13:53:10] <jkridner> anyway, would be good to have solid bug reports against the graphics on the latest Debian images put on http://bugs.elinux.org
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  • [16:44:40] <micr0> hey, does the beagleboneblack (newest rev) expose a serial over usb device?
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  • [16:44:55] <jkridner> micr0: yes, but it is "virtual".
  • [16:45:13] <jkridner> whereas the original BeagleBone had a physical serial over USB device.
  • [16:45:15] <micr0> cool, what chipset is it? I think my kernel doesn't have support because dmesg doesn't show anything...
  • [16:46:13] <micr0> i see /dev/ttyS{0,1,2,3}, but none are connecting
  • [16:46:17] <jkridner> micr0: again, on Black it is "virtual" and is provided by the Linux USB gadget framework, not a chipset. it looks like a composite device to your host.
  • [16:46:38] <jkridner> typically on a Linux host it shows up as /dev/ttyUSBx or /dev/ttyACMx.
  • [16:47:44] <micr0> ahh, so if the board has trouble booting into linux, it may not show up at all
  • [16:48:39] <tbr> correct
  • [16:49:00] <tbr> for looking at the kernel console you'd hook up to the debug UART
  • [16:49:10] <tbr> FTDI cables are cheap :)
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  • [16:51:42] <micr0> wait, does my laptop kernel need usb gadget support?
  • [16:52:05] <jkridner> no, just composite serial device support, which I'm sure it has.
  • [16:52:05] <micr0> or only the device that wants to masquerade as another piece of hardware
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  • [17:01:44] <micr0> jkridner: precisely
  • [17:01:53] <micr0> too stripped down
  • [17:02:01] <agmlego> Exceedingly stripped down.
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  • [17:59:58] <honestly> does anyone use perf on their beagleboard?
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  • [18:00:05] <honestly> (from linux-tools)
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  • [18:20:05] <honestly> gnaah. apparently ubuntu trusty (14.04) doesn't have an armel port anymore.
  • [18:21:15] <honestly> (of course I want to run armel on my beagle board, stop asking)
  • [18:24:18] <ogra_> yeah, armel was dropped over 2 years ago in ubuntu
  • [18:24:30] <ogra_> use debian
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  • [18:26:27] <honestly> yeah, that's what I'll do
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  • [18:29:29] <honestly> is debian going to drop armel, too?
  • [18:30:06] <agmlego> Why would they?
  • [18:30:47] <gurki> why would ubuntu drop armel?
  • [18:31:21] <gurki> after all there _is_ a 14.04 image for bbb
  • [18:31:22] <gurki> Oo
  • [18:31:37] <honestly> gurki: that's armhf
  • [18:32:24] <honestly> and I need both /o\
  • [18:33:11] <gurki> i wasnt aware that ppl would still use arm4 ... sry then :)
  • [18:33:39] <ogra_> some binaries are only available for armel class devices
  • [18:33:40] <honestly> I wish there was a simple way to not use it
  • [18:33:47] <honestly> yeah, what ogra_ said
  • [18:33:55] <gurki> guess u got a point :/
  • [18:34:16] <honestly> I want to run an armhf system with the armel libraries installed alongside so I can run binaries that are linked against the armel libs
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  • [18:35:09] <ogra_> theoretically multiarch makes that possible
  • [18:35:23] <ogra_> practically i doubt anyone ever tried that
  • [18:35:35] <woglinde> I thought its not working
  • [18:35:50] <ogra_> why wouldnt it ?
  • [18:36:11] <woglinde> wrong clib linking or so
  • [18:36:40] <ogra_> well, your multiarch install would need both libc's installed indeed
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  • [18:38:15] <honestly> it worked with ubuntu 10.04
  • [18:38:18] <honestly> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  • [18:38:33] <agmlego> But that is basically an antique as software goes.
  • [18:38:34] <ogra_> woglinde, try installing "wine:i386" on amd64 ... that works fine as well, theoretically the same should work fine with armhf vs el
  • [18:39:29] <ogra_> (but as i said, practially i never heard of anyone trying)
  • [18:39:53] <honestly> well, I can tell you that at some point I managed to get it working (:
  • [18:40:04] <honestly> will hopefully be able to report it working in an hour or two again
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  • [18:41:02] <gurki> could you throw an hl at me when you got it to work? just curious :)
  • [18:41:08] <honestly> sure
  • [18:41:13] <gurki> thx :)
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  • [18:49:32] <agmlego> ogra_: I run amd64/i386 multiarch on uptodate debian sid with no issues.
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  • [18:50:02] <ogra_> agmlego, see
  • [18:50:17] <ogra_> agmlego, now do the same with armhf armel on a beagle ;)
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  • [18:51:07] <agmlego> Why would I want to?
  • [18:51:17] <agmlego> My distributions of choice support armhf.
  • [18:52:05] <ogra_> agmlego, well, the question was about being able to run 3rd party armel binaries on armhf distros :)
  • [18:52:56] <agmlego> That seems like a poor life decision.
  • [18:53:20] <ogra_> lol
  • [18:53:35] <ogra_> thats where business sometimes gets you though :)
  • [18:53:37] <agmlego> But mostly what i was responding to was your implied implication that you have never heard of someone trying to run amd64.i386 multiarch.
  • [18:53:50] <ogra_> thats not what i said at all
  • [18:53:52] <agmlego> But I see that I misread.
  • [18:53:56] <ogra_> :)
  • [18:53:58] <agmlego> Right, and I see that now. ;-P
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  • [19:05:40] <yates> how do i flash the microsd under linux?
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  • [19:06:53] <yates> there is an older shell script called "create-sdcard.sh" - is that still the typical method?
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  • [19:21:47] <prumux> heyo, can i change the mux mode registers with the pru?
  • [19:21:53] <prumux> i've been told yes, but when i try, it seems to be a no
  • [19:22:28] <prumux> i can read the mux mode registers in the pru, but when i try to set them, they don't change
  • [19:22:47] <prumux> i've verified that setting them doesn't change using devmem2.
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  • [19:28:45] <prumux> and by doing a readback in the pru
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  • [19:37:49] <honestly> gurki: did dpkg --add-architecture armel && apt-get update && apt-get -y install libc6:armel
  • [19:37:56] <honestly> gurki: at least that worked (:
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  • [19:39:51] <agmlego> So, then, multiarch is working.
  • [19:40:25] <honestly> yep... now I just need to install the other stuff that has dependency issues...
  • [19:40:44] <honestly> libglib e.g.
  • [19:40:59] <gurki> yay :)
  • [19:41:06] <honestly> heh
  • [19:41:48] <honestly> hrmm
  • [19:42:40] <honestly> there are conflicts
  • [19:42:45] <thurgood> installs... but does it work
  • [19:43:28] <honestly> http://pastie.org/9556585
  • [19:43:33] <honestly> not good...
  • [19:43:50] <honestly> also "Internal error: found 2 (choice -> promotion) mappings for a single choice."
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  • [19:51:20] <honestly> seems multiarch is a bit finicky (:
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  • [20:00:30] <micr0> is there a way for the PRUs to listen to interrupts on the gpio?
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  • [20:23:51] <honestly> bah
  • [20:24:04] <honestly> this is annoying
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  • [21:01:29] <yates> i have a very serious problem
  • [21:01:55] <yates> i'm using a beaglebone black rev c
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  • [21:03:15] <agmlego> THat is a problem.
  • [21:03:27] <yates> this is too complicated to write - let me gen a quick web page on it.
  • [21:03:32] <yates> to write here, that is.
  • [21:03:40] <yates> agmlego: ha.
  • [21:03:51] <agmlego> Go go gadget pastebin.
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  • [21:15:42] <sherring> friends, I am new kind new to beagleboard world and I own a beagleboard xM. I am already able to cross compile and remote debug with eclipse. Eclipse is a great IDE and I really like it, but it does mess with std headers and defines. I mean, i can compile a code but the IDE's bug tracker says that something is wrong with my code (unresolved references and all). Would any of you happen to know how or where to repair this?
  • [21:15:43] <yates> please see here: http://www.digitalsignallabs.com/debian-problem-20140915170313.htm
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  • [21:19:05] <yates> note that the motherboard is using the MMC1 bus. is it possible that debian tries to use this bus (even though it's booting from the external microSD) while Angstrom does not?
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  • [21:19:25] <yates> rather, it is using the MMC1 bus pins for other purposes.
  • [21:19:32] <yates> (gpio)
  • [21:20:30] <yates> RobertLaptop: if you could offer some suggestions I'd be thankful.
  • [21:22:24] <sherring> anything on dmesg or any log?
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  • [21:22:41] <yates> sherring: let me check. i did before and didn't see anything - let me check again
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  • [21:26:05] <sherring> yates: also, you might be facing power noise, since you are powering it from exp. header. For this, hook up an scope and try to correlate the dying of the board and some sag of power supply. (just wondering out loud)
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  • [21:28:52] <yates> here is /var/log/messages: http://ur1.ca/i70cf -> http://paste.fedoraproject.org/133766/14108164
  • [21:29:14] <yates> here is dmesg: http://ur1.ca/i70cj -> http://paste.fedoraproject.org/133767/41081649
  • [21:29:24] <yates> i don't see any problem there that i can detect
  • [21:29:37] <yates> sherring: but if that's the case, why would angstrom run on it just fine?
  • [21:30:04] <yates> I have looked at the power on a scope when it died - didn't see a thing.
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  • [21:30:32] <yates> again, if angstrom runs, why wouldn't debian?
  • [21:30:38] <sherring> yates: are you runing both systems on the same clock?
  • [21:30:44] <yates> yes.
  • [21:30:55] <yates> it's just one system. i simply swapped sd cards
  • [21:32:34] <sherring> but the software (OS) can change the power demand and cause some memory corruption or something like this
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  • [21:34:00] <yates> that is possible.
  • [21:35:01] <agmlego> I know that for a while, debian would not successfully boot if the board was powered from the USB port, as it ran the processor up tp full clock speed to do the BogoMIPS checdk, and browned out.
  • [21:35:15] <agmlego> There may be something more subtle, but similar, going on.
  • [21:35:41] <agmlego> THough, the 5V pins on the header I *thought* were in direct parallel to the barrel jack.
  • [21:36:06] <yates> agmlego: yes, that's what my schematics say too
  • [21:36:16] <yates> but that's a great datapoint - thanks
  • [21:36:20] <agmlego> Note thaqt I had a similar issue with a white bone running Angstrom some months back, which I resolved simply by not touching the board for several months. :-/
  • [21:36:21] <micr0> is there a way to remove the device tree overlay after echoing it?
  • [21:36:33] <agmlego> micr0: Yup, reboot.
  • [21:36:36] <micr0> it seems not to work, even after rmmod uio_pruss && modprobe uio_pruss
  • [21:36:46] <yates> agmlego: ouch. i hate it when that happens.
  • [21:36:51] <agmlego> yates: Yeah.
  • [21:37:10] <micr0> agmlego: AAARRGHHH why, why , the device tree, so painful
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  • [21:37:17] <zsnafu> hey
  • [21:37:22] <micr0> TT
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  • [21:37:28] <yates> micr0: you have to duck when you go under its branches.
  • [21:37:36] <zsnafu> can some one point me in the direction of setting up an interrupt for UART?
  • [21:37:41] <zsnafu> on the bbb
  • [21:37:41] <agmlego> And I am pretty confident in the power supply there too--the cape is my own design, but the power regulation is NatSemi's reference design for the simple switcher line, and the supply was fed off a bank of SLAs.
  • [21:37:52] <agmlego> zsnafu: -->
  • [21:38:00] <sherring> might be in schematics, but routed elsewere, even more critic: routed in other trace widths
  • [21:38:15] <zsnafu> ?
  • [21:38:42] <agmlego> sherring, yates: All the board art is available, including the PCB.
  • [21:38:50] <zsnafu> is it just setting up a interrupt on that gpio line?
  • [21:39:02] <thurgood> zsnafu: it's a joke
  • [21:39:15] <agmlego> zsnafu: Sorry, yeah, IO have no idea what I am doing.
  • [21:39:50] <zsnafu> oh yea?
  • [21:40:35] <micr0> is there a way for the PRU to listen for a rising or falling edge on a gpio pin?
  • [21:40:48] <micr0> I want to write to shared memory on a clock falling edge
  • [21:41:00] <micr0> some other pin (sniffing a different cpu)
  • [21:41:09] <zsnafu> thurgood: what do you mean it's a joke?
  • [21:41:21] <zsnafu> as in haha funny..dont even do that or haha..funny..super easy to set up
  • [21:41:38] <agmlego> zsnafu: *I* was making a joke.
  • [21:41:47] <thurgood> you asked for a direction he gave you an arrow to point the direction
  • [21:41:51] <zsnafu> right..thurgood mentioned something
  • [21:41:59] <agmlego> zsnafu: YOu asked us to point the way. I replied with an arrow, pointing.
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  • [21:42:05] <zsnafu> right ha, i get it..
  • [21:42:11] <agmlego> zsnafu: And thurgood pointed out that I was making a joke.
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  • [21:42:24] <agmlego> zsnafu: Which kind of ruins the joke, but there you have it.
  • [21:42:27] <t4nk866> hi
  • [21:42:35] <sherring> so about that UART... hahaha
  • [21:42:40] <agmlego> zmatt: Then I followed up by apologizing and saying I had no idea what I was doing.
  • [21:42:49] <agmlego> Heh.
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  • [21:45:37] <sherring> what about my eclipse issue with the bug tracker, any thoughts? :/
  • [21:46:21] <agmlego> YOu have not really given us anything to go on, sherring
  • [21:46:58] <agmlego> I mean, error messages? Language? Libraries?
  • [21:47:03] <agmlego> GIve us something.
  • [21:47:23] <agmlego> Right now? YOu are giving us the digital equivalent of "My car makes a noise".
  • [21:47:54] <agmlego> Maybe something is actually wrong with your code.
  • [21:47:58] <thurgood> sherring: you're not powering by usb are you?
  • [21:48:02] <agmlego> Maybe the car is supposed to sound like that.
  • [21:48:47] <sherring> I can cross compile on eclipse for beagleboard xM, using the toolchain provided from the narcisus tool, run the binary and all
  • [21:49:10] <sherring> so from that, i guess my code is just fine
  • [21:49:45] <agmlego> THen what is the problem, if the code compiles and runs fine?
  • [21:49:55] <thurgood> eclipse's indexer is not the same as the actually compiler from my experience
  • [21:49:56] <sherring> but the eclipse's bug tracker is pointing out some unresolved references
  • [21:50:07] <thurgood> you'll get some spurrious errors
  • [21:50:18] <agmlego> Since when does Eclipse have a bug-tracking system?
  • [21:50:24] <agmlego> DO you mean the debugger?
  • [21:50:47] <sherring> that is it, thurgood, any way i can make them the same?
  • [21:50:50] <thurgood> not bug tracking... the little bug icons it uses to indictate code issues
  • [21:50:57] <sherring> hahahaha
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  • [21:51:26] <agmlego> thurgood: So, debugger/profiler/indexer then, not bug-tracker.
  • [21:51:27] <sherring> bug icon placing on wrong syntax, unresolved references and etc
  • [21:51:32] <agmlego> Got it, page synched.
  • [21:51:50] <thurgood> not that I've found sherring, it's annoying, but eclipse tends to use more recent libs for indexing
  • [21:51:54] <agmlego> I suggest talking with the people involved in narcissus.
  • [21:54:24] <sherring> for example, when using a std header, such as time.h, i cant get predictions and auto-complete, because of some definitions not explictly defined in code, but, somehow defined in the toolchain
  • [21:55:15] <sherring> so, the name for my self conception of bug tracker is indexer?
  • [21:56:40] <thurgood> yes
  • [21:57:24] <sherring> thurgood: thanks! just found somethings on CDT indexer, will look a little bit more on it!
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  • [22:11:43] <nofxx> Is there someone manufacturing BBBs w/o connectors, more barebones?
  • [22:11:51] <nofxx> CHEAPER hehe
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  • [22:21:28] <micr0> what external interrupts should I be looking for if I want to listen for rising edges on the PRU pins
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  • [22:32:20] <m_billybob> http://www.computerworld.com/article/2605093/laid-off-from-job-man-builds-tweeting-toilet.html
  • [22:32:36] <m_billybob> a "questionable" BBB project heh
  • [22:34:29] <ds2> at least everyone will know when he's flushing opportunities away
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