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  • [00:14:34] <dogrocket> anyone know i2s connections? wondering if din goes to din on other device or is it din to dout
  • [00:15:03] <dogrocket> dumb question i know but lrclk goes to lrclk
  • [00:21:01] <mrpackethead> its a bus
  • [00:21:20] <mrpackethead> and i assume you mean i2c?
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  • [03:48:37] <zmatt> i2s is sort of like spi, but for audio
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  • [03:49:46] <zmatt> dogrocket: I've never seen the labels "din" or "dout" being used for I2S to be honest
  • [03:51:10] <zmatt> then again, the chips I've worked with were either ADCs or DACs, not combined, hence usually the pin is just called "DATA" or such since the direction is obvious
  • [03:51:39] <zmatt> on the am335x side every data pin is software-configurable as either input or output
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  • [03:53:23] <zmatt> oh wait, *which* "beagle" ?
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  • [03:54:09] <zmatt> (I assumed beaglebone, but just noticed you didn't mention that anywhere)
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  • [04:03:13] <dogrocket> its beaglebone black, actually im using the pin outs for the audiocape, and the audiocape names them as such
  • [04:03:48] <dogrocket> but yes i2s bidirectional uses din dout
  • [04:04:30] <veremit> you could be sampling and coding audio at same time .. think mic/headphones
  • [04:04:46] <zmatt> veremit: that would use separate data lines
  • [04:05:06] <veremit> hence din/dout :)
  • [04:05:11] <dogrocket> yep.. but essentially you can veremit
  • [04:05:29] <dogrocket> audio cape can do that
  • [04:05:34] <veremit> at high data rate you can do it half-duplex
  • [04:05:42] <veremit> since audio is low bandwidth
  • [04:06:09] <dogrocket> well id like to use them both if i have them. :)
  • [04:06:18] <veremit> sure :)
  • [04:06:45] * veremit wonders what interface is used on the wand codec ...
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  • [04:07:17] <zmatt> dogrocket: I'm looking at the "audio cape" schematic but it seems to have its own codec and just analog i/o... I don't see any "DIN/DOUT" pins
  • [04:08:52] <dogrocket> oh boy
  • [04:09:28] <dogrocket> http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBone_Audio
  • [04:09:38] <veremit> yeah its i2s as well
  • [04:10:08] <veremit> din/dout and 2 clocks
  • [04:10:15] <veremit> no make that 3
  • [04:10:21] <veremit> and i2c control
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  • [04:11:48] <zmatt> hm, what the hell is that third clock
  • [04:11:54] <dogrocket> yep... the clock confused me, dont know if thats for external clock or internal
  • [04:12:35] <veremit> two output and one input on my schems
  • [04:12:45] <veremit> one is frame sync?
  • [04:13:00] <zmatt> bclk is the data clock, wclk the frame sync
  • [04:13:02] <veremit> oh wait .. wrong way
  • [04:13:05] <zmatt> I think
  • [04:13:13] <dogrocket> mclck and blclk, they are multiples of sampling rate i think
  • [04:13:29] <zmatt> oh right
  • [04:13:50] <zmatt> sorry I was confused for a sec because they called the frame sync a clock
  • [04:14:09] <veremit> yeah my mistake .. misinterpreting pin / signal names
  • [04:14:25] <zmatt> but yeah two clocks (system/master/highspeed clock mclk and bit clock bclk) + frame sync ("wclk")
  • [04:14:33] <veremit> codec in front of my says "lrclk/sclk on the i2s, sys_mclk"
  • [04:14:48] <zmatt> sclk = mclk, lrclk = wclk
  • [04:15:12] <zmatt> at least, I think I've seen the highspeed clock also called sclk in places
  • [04:15:20] <dogrocket> im think aud_fsx is another name for lrclk, and i think that means left / right clock, in other words it tells reciever when left channel or right channel is to be sent... but could be wrong
  • [04:15:21] <zmatt> (isn't standardized terminology great)
  • [04:15:30] <zmatt> fsx is framesync yes
  • [04:15:30] <veremit> yea
  • [04:15:39] <dogrocket> they dont name any of this crap the same.. dumb, really dumb
  • [04:15:40] <zmatt> specifically, frame sync transmitted by the McASP
  • [04:15:54] <veremit> I got "txfs" on the wand and TxC and just plain audio_clk lol
  • [04:16:52] <dogrocket> heh... new ones to me
  • [04:17:44] <zmatt> dogrocket: btw, you linked to the rev A cape... I was on the rev B cape page which notes as changes "compatibility with the BeagleBone Black"
  • [04:17:47] <dogrocket> so what i was figuring and i could be way wrong, was hook up my codec the same as the audiocape,
  • [04:18:12] <dogrocket> oh... and you notice they actually rename pin outs too.. lol
  • [04:18:42] <veremit> lol its all fun, isn't it?! :D
  • [04:19:00] <dogrocket> because the platform or machine driver would probably have same pin outs as the ti codec thats built into some kernels..
  • [04:19:23] <zmatt> of course, which pin you need on the BBB probably also depends on whether you want to run the codec as master or slave
  • [04:19:33] <dogrocket> right...
  • [04:19:46] <veremit> does it matter?
  • [04:19:49] <veremit> master/slave?
  • [04:19:51] <dogrocket> i gotta read on audio cape some more see what it uses
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  • [04:20:04] <dogrocket> yeah.. one or other.. cant be same
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  • [04:20:18] <veremit> well duh
  • [04:20:30] <veremit> surely its more important when you have more than one device :)
  • [04:20:34] <zmatt> veremit: well, it matters in that you need different pins on the McASP ;) and not all audio chips support the same settings for both
  • [04:20:40] <veremit> ahh
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  • [04:22:57] <dogrocket> mines a maxim98089 codec... shoulda stayed with the ti3xxx series
  • [04:23:22] <dogrocket> but maxim has the drivers for the alsa-soc that ti3xxx uses
  • [04:23:41] <zmatt> actually, hold on... fsx might actually mean "frame sync for transmit section" rather than "frame sync transmit"
  • [04:23:45] <veremit> sgma5000 on the wand :P lol
  • [04:24:17] <zmatt> yeah it does, my bad
  • [04:24:28] <zmatt> so those are programmable in/out too
  • [04:24:42] <zmatt> so connections are the same regardless of whether the codec is master or slave
  • [04:24:48] <veremit> d you need a firmware blob for the beagle?
  • [04:24:49] <zmatt> just config
  • [04:25:07] <zmatt> I think the audio cape just used a device tree overlay
  • [04:25:29] <veremit> mm spose that makes sense
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  • [04:25:55] <dogrocket> i thought they used the alsa-soc drivers um am335x_soc or something like that, ties into alsa
  • [04:26:19] <veremit> oh it all ties into alsa :P
  • [04:26:29] <veremit> or its completely useless :D
  • [04:26:38] <dogrocket> but theres hardly any instructions on audio cape anywhere on net,
  • [04:27:00] <dogrocket> well its got the completely useless part down good so far :P
  • [04:27:11] <veremit> lol
  • [04:27:55] <zmatt> hmm, for revB they say "Audio Cape uses the same audio signal from the onboard HDMI interface"
  • [04:28:30] <dogrocket> yep... you have to kill hdmi audio for it to work
  • [04:28:35] <veremit> yeah you gotta watch the hdmi gotcha
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  • [04:29:28] <dogrocket> i think i just realized something, the maxim has a separate clock pin in another location, labeled xtal or mclk!
  • [04:29:41] <zmatt> that's the ahclk
  • [04:30:15] <dogrocket> that one should go to mclck pinout labeled on cape then
  • [04:30:52] <zmatt> I'm still not sure what you're doing with that cape if you're connecting your own codec
  • [04:31:16] <zmatt> you can't connect two codecs simultaneously to the same pins obviously
  • [04:31:47] <dogrocket> just referencing the pin outs, these are supposed to be pin outs assigned in device tree i guess
  • [04:32:12] <dogrocket> doesnt really matter what codec as long as you use same pinouts i think
  • [04:32:35] <dogrocket> then you load a module specific to codec operation, which maxim made
  • [04:34:02] <dogrocket> the ti codec normally comes compiled into kernel from robert i think, its so audio cape is plug and pray
  • [04:34:02] <zmatt> I'm not sure I can be of more help here... I'm familiar with McASP and I2S, but not really with stuff like the pinouts on the BBB or how all this is made to work under linux
  • [04:34:35] <dogrocket> thanks zmatt
  • [04:35:04] <zmatt> np
  • [04:35:21] <dogrocket> well who should do master clock im wondering. whoevers got the fastest clock i guess
  • [04:36:33] <zmatt> master clock is normally always provided by the cpu
  • [04:37:05] <zmatt> unless you have some special external clock circuit e.g. to synchronize to some external clock source
  • [04:37:42] <zmatt> (and it's not really a case of "fastest", it needs to have a specific frequency)
  • [04:38:37] <dogrocket> AudioCape: The codec interfaces with the Multichannel Audio Serial Port of
  • [04:38:37] <dogrocket> the AM335x via audio serial bus
  • [04:39:01] <dogrocket> i think mcasp only comes out on those pins
  • [04:40:44] <zmatt> well, am335x has two McASPs actually, and can be muxed between various pins
  • [04:40:49] <zmatt> (see SRM)
  • [04:41:49] <dogrocket> ah, i think the second one is harder to work with for some reason
  • [04:41:49] <zmatt> but the pin the audio cape (rev B) is using as mclk is (in mode 0) mcasp0_ahclkx
  • [04:42:11] <dogrocket> thats externel clock i think
  • [04:42:12] <zmatt> which means the BBB generates the master clock
  • [04:42:28] <dogrocket> oh
  • [04:42:50] <dogrocket> heh.. this stuff is like learning greek.
  • [04:43:22] <zmatt> oh crap I made the same mistaken thought... it could actually receive a master clock instead
  • [04:43:36] <dogrocket> The digital audio data transfer is clocked by a bit clock (BCLK) received from the
  • [04:43:36] <dogrocket> AM335x.
  • [04:44:10] <dogrocket> thats not mclk thought
  • [04:44:12] <dogrocket> though
  • [04:44:14] <zmatt> no
  • [04:44:17] <zmatt> mclk is
  • [04:44:25] <zmatt> mclk is much much higher rate
  • [04:46:16] <zmatt> normally something like 256 * sample rate
  • [04:46:52] <veremit> should be the codec master clock .. surely
  • [04:47:04] <zmatt> though the codec they put on the rev B audio cape is apparently quite flexible... it even has an integrated PLL
  • [04:47:08] <veremit> it has to be synced to the sampling clocks though
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  • [04:47:50] <zmatt> normally yes
  • [04:48:26] <zmatt> (this is the first time I've seen a codec with a PLL inside, which pretty much invalidates all the rules)
  • [04:48:44] <veremit> lol oh well :) there's exceptions to Every rule ..
  • [04:49:09] <zmatt> it accepts mclk anywhere from 512 kHz to 50 MHz
  • [04:50:00] <zmatt> in that case you'd want the codec to be master though
  • [04:50:36] <zmatt> (since if bclk has no fixed relationship to mclk, there'd be no other way for McASP to stay synchronized with the codec)
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  • [04:52:10] <dogrocket> ok, will make maxim mclk, and i think it can be varied, but thought its standard was 13mhz
  • [04:52:12] <zmatt> but yeah, that's unusual... normally mclk ensures the synchronization of all components and bclk is some divided clock thereof (and fs/lrclk is bclk divided by 2 * number of bits transferred per channel)
  • [04:54:19] <zmatt> 13 ? that sounds wrong
  • [04:54:20] <dogrocket> maxim: If an external
  • [04:54:21] <dogrocket> audio source is used, choose either the on-board 13MHz
  • [04:54:21] <dogrocket> oscillator or an external clock. To
  • [04:54:33] <zmatt> hmmz
  • [04:55:07] <zmatt> what sample rate and resolution were you planning to use?
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  • [04:56:17] <zmatt> like normally I'd expect some non-round number, like 12.288 MHz
  • [04:56:32] <zmatt> (= 256 * 48 kHz)
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  • [04:58:13] <dogrocket> 48000 would be highest
  • [04:58:15] <zmatt> and then e.g. bclk = mclk/4 for 2 channels * 32 bits * 48 kHz
  • [04:58:26] <zmatt> or /8 for 16 bits / channel
  • [04:58:33] <dogrocket> 16 bits
  • [05:01:13] <dogrocket> i must be doing math wrong...
  • [05:01:27] <zmatt> or me, I kinda should have gotten some sleep by now
  • [05:02:17] <dogrocket> heh... well it looks like you might be right, they are using device dtree and may not be related to the alsa am35xx drivers...
  • [05:02:46] <dogrocket> i will get on alsa-soc chat tomorrow, maybe someone will be awake
  • [05:02:48] <zmatt> I wouldn't expect the mcasp driver to be am335x-specific
  • [05:02:56] <dogrocket> thanks for help though
  • [05:02:56] <zmatt> it's on tons of TI SoCs
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  • [05:03:24] <zmatt> np
  • [05:03:53] <dogrocket> alsa-soc uses davinci drivers and other stuff its confusing, but supposedly thats what i should use
  • [05:04:53] <zmatt> yeah I think the linux mcasp driver is called davinci-mcasp for some reason
  • [05:05:56] <dogrocket> CONFIG_SOC_AM33XX=y
  • [05:06:14] <zmatt> sure, but that's not audio related I'd think?
  • [05:06:22] <dogrocket> theres the beagle or evm specific alsa_soc driver yep
  • [05:06:45] <dogrocket> theres an soc driver for video but its called something different
  • [05:07:00] <zmatt> huh... ok well like I said I'm not really familiar with how they did things in linux
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  • [05:07:23] <zmatt> (I'm doing baremetal programming on a TI SoC myself)
  • [05:08:23] <Aston> I need some help with the ADC. When i do the python adc read on the cloud9 IDE it works. But when i write the same code to a py file and execute in terminal, it gives me an error saying it cannot do the ADC setup. Im running a 3.8 kernel and debian(REV C)
  • [05:08:35] <dogrocket> oh.. crap, that was wrong one, here it is
  • [05:08:41] <dogrocket> CONFIG_SND_SOC=y
  • [05:08:41] <dogrocket> CONFIG_SND_AM33XX_SOC=y
  • [05:08:57] <dogrocket> that previous might have been the video one
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  • [05:10:25] <dogrocket> think im tired too.. :P
  • [05:12:14] <zmatt> yeah, gonna get some sleep, and maybe tomorrow have another go at filling in that horrible DDR3 ram configuration spreadsheet from TI to get the ram on our board up&running
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  • [05:15:11] <treeherder> hey, i did a little writeup about expanding my rootfs, anybody care to provide criticism? https://gist.github.com/treeherder/34830497fa90c1b5eaea
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  • [06:41:48] <Guest91216> Hi. I'm looking for a fix for network instability in Beaglebone Black: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/beagleboard/Vp4pxwHm8BU
  • [06:42:12] <Guest91216> I have 2 of them and this issue makes both pretty much unusable
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  • [06:45:36] <Guest91216> Is the root cause of this known by now or is it still a mistery?
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  • [06:59:33] <tbr> Guest91216: are you the original reporter of that issue?
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  • [07:38:19] <treeherder> Guest91216, have you tried implementing a software watchdog
  • [07:38:42] <treeherder> also i've yet to experience this glitch
  • [07:38:54] <treeherder> haven't had my BBB more than a few months
  • [07:39:03] <treeherder> but it's plugged into the internet nonstop
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  • [07:49:50] <Dip> Hello!
  • [07:50:01] <Dip> This is Dip and I need a small help
  • [07:50:46] <Dip> I am having LM35 Temperature sensor and I'd like to get reading from BBB over analog pins
  • [07:50:53] <Dip> Can someone help?
  • [07:51:07] <Dip> Mine BBB is running with Ubutnu 12.04 LTS
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  • [14:57:28] <dogrocket> anyone know what name is of i2c module for bbb?
  • [15:08:35] <aleandros> Question here: the power led button is not working, and I believe it is because someone (not me, I swear!) connected 24V to a GPIO pin. Would that be enough for trashing the entire board? or that would just damage that pin?
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  • [15:19:50] <Guest91216> tbr, No, I'm not the original reporter
  • [15:20:45] <Guest91216> treeherder, SW watchdog will not help since only hard reset fixes it
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  • [15:26:05] <tbr> Guest91216: then you should tell us more about your setup, how you power the devices, what you have connected, etc
  • [15:27:10] <xenoxaos> aleandros: wow.....i think it may be time to get a new one....and/or contact someone at circuitco to see if it can be repaired
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  • [15:29:27] <Defiant> dogrocket: you found the answer?
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  • [15:36:25] <dogrocket> Defiant: nope im clueless
  • [15:37:57] <Defiant> dogrocket: its probably compiled in, have you updated your ddevicetree?
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  • [16:12:06] <dogrocket> Defiant: im trying to hook up a codec to bbb, i was just wanting to see if codec responded to i2c commands because from what ive read sometime one needs pullup resisters to communicate
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  • [16:13:05] <Defiant> what kind of codec? And i2c always needs pullup resistors
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  • [16:19:23] <dogrocket> its a maxim98089
  • [16:21:38] <dogrocket> its said one can use either the maxim98088 or maxim98090 alsa-soc drivers for the 89 just rename them
  • [16:23:13] <dogrocket> datasheets.maximintegrated.com/en/ds/MAX98089EVKIT_WLP.pdf
  • [16:23:17] <Defiant> uhm that one looks complicated. What is you plan with this?
  • [16:23:50] <dogrocket> yep... want all the sound input and eq and mixing capabilities... it is complicated.. :P
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  • [16:24:44] <dogrocket> its probably one of most compilcated ones out there that actually has alsa-soc drivers im thinking
  • [16:26:51] <dogrocket> wishing there were better docs for setting up alsa-soc drivers.
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  • [16:39:01] <aleandros> Hi people!
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  • [18:49:14] <nate`> aloha
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  • [18:49:47] <nate`> Figure I might as well fire off a quick question, I'm sure other persons have attempted this.
  • [18:50:27] <nate`> Doing a "car" computer. Gonna replace the standard 1 unit size stereo and the cubby below it with a TFT, based on my measurements this should work: http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBone_LCD7 anyone use it before in this sort of application?
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  • [18:51:29] <nate`> Figured if I had to make a mux for 3.5mm inputs to an output for my radios/scanner, why not just tear everything out of that portion of the console :p
  • [18:52:21] <nate`> Also just starting my research on what to get before I go hogwild with random parts like I did with my pi project.
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  • [18:54:03] <nate`> Other thing I haven't been able to find, something for FM reception.
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  • [18:55:14] <Abhishek_> nate`: Do you think that the cheap TEA5767 modules available on eBay by 2-3$ a piece could fit your bill?
  • [18:56:02] <nate`> I could probably get that wired in along with the aidafruit ultimate gps
  • [18:56:47] <nate`> and still figure out a way for wifi along with possibly an accelermeter along with camera and audio recording (can't trust cops ya knwo)
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  • [18:57:14] <nate`> I'm more of a software person than hardware person. I know enough to get things built with hardware but not enough to do "true" designs.
  • [18:58:32] <nate`> Thing about the FM is i'd like my touch screen to do the tuning, don't really have room for more analog controls, my MUX switches are eating up the last bit of space by replacing my ash tray.
  • [18:59:08] <nate`> by the way this is an old vehicle from '88 :p
  • [19:10:21] <nate`> RTL2832 & R820T look stupid promising.
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  • [21:56:00] <pjustice> that lcd's brightness is 350 cd/m^2
  • [21:56:10] <pjustice> you probably want 1000 or more for daylight readability in a vehicle
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