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  • [04:17:35] <The_Ball> I've read that I can't put voltage into the BBB GPIOs when the BBB isn't powered up and initialized yet. How do one deal with the common scenario of having a single 5V supply which also feeds sensors into GPIOs?
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  • [06:08:21] <sachin_> Hi All, I have BBB, I have enabled CONFIG_MMC_DEBUG=y to get logs. but some how I dont get complete logs. Is it possible to get the complete log from boot, e.g. save the log to a file.
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  • [06:28:41] <veremit`AFK> logs are saved to /var/log/dmesg by default
  • [06:29:16] <veremit`AFK> if you want extra verbose debugging, you should look up kernel command-line options .. for something like xyzmod.debug=nnn
  • [06:30:13] <veremit`AFK> The_Ball .. you need to carefully switch your power supplies so that the BBB comes up first
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  • [06:46:09] <sachin_> vermit`AFK : root@beaglebone:/var/log# ls README btmp journal lastlog wtmp
  • [06:46:16] <sachin_> I dont see dmesg
  • [06:47:10] <sachin_> Also I want logs from start, If i do dmesg then I do get logs but those are not complete.
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  • [07:55:05] <ketas> i wonder how i'm going to access adc mux pins on bbb pmic
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  • [08:24:45] <MoraMora> Hi all
  • [08:25:03] <MoraMora> any win8 usb driver developper?
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  • [08:45:13] <ynezz> MoraMora: certfified?
  • [08:45:49] <StevePeat> Hello everyone ! I just received my beaglebone black and I was wondering where I could find a tutorial on how to rebuild the angstrom distribution ? (I struggle to isntall openembedded and bitbake and to find non dead links...)
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  • [09:06:33] <StevePeat> no one here ?
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  • [09:30:40] <heeen> for some reason I can't get anything out of J1-5
  • [09:30:53] <heeen> is it configured by default?
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  • [09:54:22] <heeen> man I wish they still hat the ftdi on the beaglebone black
  • [09:54:31] <heeen> I could do without the onboard flash
  • [09:54:51] <heeen> finding the right usb-serial adapter and wiring it up without possibly frying the board
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  • [09:55:12] <heeen> some have +-12V +-10v +-5v, some 0/5v or 0/3.3v levels
  • [09:55:38] <heeen> finally got it to work with a bus pirate
  • [09:55:51] <heeen> where that didn't work on the original beagle board at all
  • [09:56:05] <heeen> it would only work with the delock converter I was just trying
  • [09:56:23] <heeen> which this BB did not like at all
  • [09:57:28] <heeen> also, why ship with a linux that seems to not do usb hotplugging
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  • [09:59:31] <heeen> then there is no /var/log/messages or syslog
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  • [10:00:03] <heeen> as much as I like the beaglebone
  • [10:00:28] <heeen> there is a lot of hurdles even for people with some embedded linux expirience
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  • [10:09:30] <XorA> heeen: rumour has it the new BBBs come with debian
  • [10:09:47] <heeen> yeah I'm gonna go with ubuntu from sd
  • [10:09:59] <XorA> bleugh!
  • [10:10:27] <heeen> its just a well supported and up-to-date debian :)
  • [10:10:43] <XorA> s/well/badly/ :-D
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  • [10:15:44] <Ze_> hi
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  • [10:18:24] <ze_> Just got my BeagleBone Black.
  • [10:18:30] <XorA> \o/
  • [10:18:48] <XorA> you can join the Ive got one and you havnae conga
  • [10:19:28] <ze_> I need to read data from a USB SerialPort, with has a Xbee Explorer connected
  • [10:20:45] <ze_> var serialPort = new SerialPort("/dev/????"); anyhelp?
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  • [10:23:13] <XorA> ze_: you beagle has a usb->serial connector plugged in? Im not familiar with xbee explorer
  • [10:23:24] <XorA> ze_: if so /det/ttyUSB0
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  • [10:25:50] <alonstr6> Hi, need help with the BB xm boot
  • [10:27:36] <alonstr6> anyone?
  • [10:29:22] <grasshopprWhoppr> do you have a question?
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  • [10:32:51] <ze_> I tried ttyUSB0 and tty-usbserial0,
  • [10:33:33] <ze_> in output: debugger listening on port 6440
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  • [10:33:40] <ze_> but nothing else :s
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  • [10:35:54] <Rotti> hi
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  • [10:47:11] <ze_> BeagleBone Black, read USB SerialPort ? how can I ?
  • [10:48:44] <Rotti> ze_: if i get your question right, it's not possible. the uart is not on the usb port anymore like the one of bbw... there's a 5 (6?) pin header with the signals, but you'll need an ftdi chip (or similar) or a max3232 (or similar)
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  • [10:49:12] <Rotti> ze_: but there are converters
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  • [10:51:58] <ze_> thanks Rotti
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  • [11:04:05] <jae_> jo
  • [11:04:06] <jae_> hi
  • [11:04:10] <jae_> i have question
  • [11:04:22] <jae_> please help me
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  • [11:07:58] <jjj__> can anyone help me?
  • [11:08:01] <jjj__> please?
  • [11:08:17] <jjj__> i am problem with socket.io
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  • [12:16:34] <StevePeat> Still no one to point me toward a up to date guide on how te rebuild the angstrom distrib please ? :)
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  • [12:18:15] <H-H-H> i saw that on google yesterday
  • [12:19:04] <StevePeat> yeah so do I but I tried something like 3-4 guides and all of them leads to links that don"t exist anymore :(
  • [12:19:52] <H-H-H> ahh well i saw them as i was looking around for help on rebuilding arch for beaglebone
  • [12:20:13] <StevePeat> did you manage to do it ?
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  • [12:21:55] <H-H-H> yeah im running it now :)
  • [12:22:03] <StevePeat> damn !
  • [12:22:27] <StevePeat> did you follow a "how to" guide that you could share ? :)
  • [12:22:38] <H-H-H> http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv7/ti/beaglebone
  • [12:23:03] <H-H-H> that gives you a base arch install
  • [12:24:53] <StevePeat> hum ok ok but how to rebuild it ? (truth is that a potential employer asked me to do that in order to show him my ability to discover new things and I'm struggling really badly)
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  • [12:26:19] <H-H-H> http://dev.ardupilot.com/wiki/building-for-beaglebone-black-on-linux/
  • [12:26:30] <H-H-H> this details how to do it on ubuntu
  • [12:26:53] <H-H-H> however ignore the parts refering to ardupilot itself
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  • [12:27:43] <StevePeat> hum ok thanks I'll give it a try !
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  • [13:17:28] <get3> Morning all, I'm hoping someone can help me. I need to get the P8 header as GPIO from the beagleboard black. Every example I'm finding simply steps over the emmc/HDMI headers except for how to disable them. Can I get this many GPIOs out of the BBB or am I really limited to the scattered 32 default GPIOs ?
  • [13:18:36] <av500> you can get like ~60 GPIOs
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  • [13:20:13] <get3> have a working reference?
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  • [13:25:36] <kaubha> hello.. can anyone comment about environmental temperature range of beaglebone black?
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  • [13:26:39] <johnwalkr> it’s not in the manual?
  • [13:27:03] <kaubha_> no
  • [13:27:24] <johnwalkr> the arm chip is probably the most sensitive..
  • [13:28:25] <av500> kaubha_: its not an industrial part
  • [13:28:34] <av500> there is no guaranteed temp range
  • [13:28:42] <johnwalkr> http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/AM335x_Thermal_Considerations
  • [13:28:44] <av500> if you need industrial, talk to circuitco
  • [13:29:08] <kaubha_> ok.. i need it upto 70 degree
  • [13:29:15] <av500> Celcius?
  • [13:29:20] <kaubha_> yes
  • [13:29:29] <av500> should work
  • [13:29:33] <johnwalkr> that link says 0 to 70C
  • [13:29:57] <johnwalkr> and i can’t imagine any other components on the board have a smaller range
  • [13:30:36] <av500> its not just the components
  • [13:30:43] <av500> PCB, soldering etc..
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  • [13:30:57] <kaubha_> main controller is rated for +85 degree C
  • [13:31:04] <av500> again, if you need it guaranteed, talk to CCO
  • [13:31:49] <kaubha_> but somewhere in google groups they are saying it is 50 degree because of other components
  • [13:32:15] <johnwalkr> read the page fully, unless it’s industrial version they say ambient temp of 70C
  • [13:33:48] <kaubha_> yes.. but that is for controller IC
  • [13:34:02] <kaubha_> any idea about other components on BBB?
  • [13:34:28] <johnwalkr> pmic is to 105C, but i don’t know why i am looking
  • [13:34:42] <johnwalkr> grab the manual and look up all the major parts
  • [13:34:50] <kaubha_> ok
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  • [13:35:21] <kaubha_> temperature ranges are also applicable to capacitors?
  • [13:35:28] <av500> everything
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  • [13:40:10] <isisescul> Hello, I am trying to connect a light sensor to a BBB - does anyone know what are the pins for the sensor ? Also I will run Android on the BBB.
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  • [13:46:02] <jbdatko> isisescul: The pins vary completely on the very specific light sensor you want to use. I recommend you pull the datasheet for the light sensor and then cross reference that with the BeagleBone System Reference Manual.
  • [13:46:15] <jbdatko> the SRM will tell you what pins have the features you want
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  • [13:47:02] <jbdatko> I've never run android, save for my phone, so I can't help you with that one
  • [13:48:25] <StevePeat> I'm sorry to be this noob but what is my distrib or am I in the kernel now ? root@beaglebone:~# uname -a Linux beaglebone 3.8.13 #1 SMP Tue May 13 13:38:21 CEST 2014 armv7l GNU/Linux
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  • [13:50:28] <isisescul> Thank you jbdatko ! I kinda have to run Android - it's a specific application that requires an in-house rom and a light sensor - The one I have got has for connectors and I have no idea how to find it's data sheet .
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  • [13:52:29] <jbdatko> isisescul: So, if you physically have the sensor, you can look on it for some sort of marking and then google that with "light sensor". I've done this for random chips, sometimes it works; depends on the manufacturer
  • [13:53:59] <jbdatko> I don't work too much with light sensors. I would imagine they have typical configurations?
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  • [13:55:25] <jbdatko> StevePeat: If you recently acquired or upgraded your BBB, then you are probably running debian. Although I would have expected something like "3.8.13-bone47"
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  • [13:59:25] <isisescul> jbdatko: here's the sensor http://goo.gl/7ZFKOL not too much on the www - after a few hours of research...
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  • [14:51:28] <aleandros> hi everyone! I have a question about the PWM channels.
  • [14:52:12] <aleandros> The startup page reads that there are 8 channels, yet there are 14 pins marked as EHRPWM
  • [14:52:23] <aleandros> what does that mean_
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  • [16:07:25] <Bibo> Hey - did someone know what the a high and low on an io is in voltage?
  • [16:08:10] <Bibo> I belive its TTL?
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  • [16:08:35] <av500> Bibo: see the AM335X datasheet
  • [16:08:50] <woglinde> hi av500
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  • [16:10:33] <av500> hi woglinde
  • [16:10:37] <av500> back on earth?
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  • [16:13:12] <woglinde> @av500 sometimes
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  • [16:23:38] <heeen> is it normal that the mmc0 usr led is blinking rapidly all the time
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  • [16:24:38] <heeen> av500: is there a difference between the BBB serial and the BB C3 serial in terms of ttl levels
  • [16:25:02] <heeen> BBB works with my bus pirate but not with the delock converter
  • [16:25:21] <heeen> BB C3 works with the DELOCK but not the bus pirate
  • [16:26:50] <av500> yes
  • [16:26:56] <av500> BB C3 is RS232 levels
  • [16:27:02] <av500> +/- 5V
  • [16:27:08] <av500> BBB is TTL
  • [16:27:12] <av500> 0V/3.3V
  • [16:27:15] <heeen> I see
  • [16:27:21] <__butch__> Morning folks (at least here in CA). I asked a question yesterday and didn't get a chance to stick around for the answer. Does anyone know how to change the default port for Cloud9 from 3000 to something else?
  • [16:27:27] <heeen> wish the BBB still had the converter on board
  • [16:27:35] <heeen> these different serial standards are just a mess
  • [16:27:54] <woglinde> heeen no?
  • [16:27:56] <heeen> av500: is there a possibility to damage the port using +-5 levels
  • [16:28:07] <woglinde> heeen yes
  • [16:30:10] <heeen> woglinde: the mess is you need possibly 3 different usb to usart converters, +5v/-5v, 5v/0v, 3.3v/0v, or even +-10v
  • [16:30:22] <heeen> if you have a couple of devices
  • [16:30:36] <heeen> the bb white was no fuss compared to that
  • [16:31:23] <heeen> doesn't rs232 even say +-12V
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  • [16:37:58] <heeen> is the mmc0/USR2 led blinking on angstrom?
  • [16:38:14] <heeen> when the board idles
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  • [17:21:05] <heeen> "USER2 is an activity indicator. It turns on when the kernel is not in the idle loop." <- where can I find this documented
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  • [17:22:43] <heeen> ah got it
  • [17:22:56] <heeen> cat /sys/class/leds/beaglebone\:green\:usr*/trigger
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  • [17:25:09] <nyt-> wordup
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  • [18:48:53] <heeen> did I remember it correctly that there is a difference in how fast you can use the gpios from the pru depending if you're using pinmux or the adress thing
  • [18:49:45] <heeen> gpio device adresses I think it was called?
  • [18:50:01] <heeen> I skipped that part and went for the pinmuxing directly
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  • [19:04:20] <N2TOH> Heen yes there is a guy over on the MIT server in #6002 who is doing work with the PRU. he has it running from memory around 200MHz
  • [19:04:38] <N2TOH> with IO fast enough to generate RF signals directly
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  • [19:21:30] <dsmith-work> N2TOH: Cool
  • [19:23:53] <N2TOH> last we spoke he was reading up on DSP knoweldge before getting sidetracked by a mundane matter
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  • [19:31:01] <ZiNC> Hey.
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  • [19:40:47] <peniwize> Hey all. I've just received a beaglebone black and I'm trying to run the eMMC flash uSD image, but I'm not sure how to do it after reading the wiki instructions.
  • [19:41:07] <peniwize> It appears that all I have to do it insert the uSD card and hold the boot button when I apply power.
  • [19:41:17] <peniwize> What exactly should I expect after that?
  • [19:41:29] <H-H-H> a big bang!
  • [19:41:33] <H-H-H> j/k
  • [19:41:46] <peniwize> I'm currently seeing a login prompt on the HDMI output.
  • [19:41:51] <peniwize> lol
  • [19:41:55] <peniwize> that would be *terrible*
  • [19:42:43] <peniwize> The instructions I read said that all the USR LED's would turn on after 10 min indicating that the Flash has been programmed.
  • [19:42:44] <H-H-H> im sorry i cant help you as i dont own a beaglebone black , just a white one wich only boots from mmc
  • [19:42:46] <peniwize> Isd this correct?
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  • [19:43:05] <peniwize> Ok. Maybe someone else will see my quesiton.
  • [19:43:07] <nyt-> just wait for it
  • [19:43:10] <nyt-> patience
  • [19:43:18] <nyt-> can take 20-30m to flash sometimes
  • [19:43:28] <nyt-> but generally
  • [19:43:31] <nyt-> the flasher images
  • [19:43:32] <peniwize> So, I should see a login prompt? There's no other feedback, correct?
  • [19:43:33] <nyt-> at least the latest debian
  • [19:43:36] <nyt-> start into x windows
  • [19:43:44] <nyt-> so you might want to grab the latest image
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  • [19:44:07] <peniwize> I think I have it. I've downloaded 'BBB-eMMC-flasher-debian-7.5-2014-05-06-2gb.img.xz'.
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  • [19:45:47] <peniwize> Ok, something has changed. Now the LED's are all flashing twice in quick succession with about 1/2 second between flashes. Does that mean it's done or that there's a fialure?
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  • [19:50:39] <nyt-> where dyou find the 5/6 image?
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  • [19:52:22] <peniwize> https://rcn-ee.net/deb/flasher
  • [19:52:50] <peniwize> In the wheezy directory, iirc
  • [19:53:21] <nyt-> ah those aren't official images i dont think
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  • [19:54:12] <nyt-> theyre not fulls ize
  • [19:54:24] <nyt-> the ones from latest images page is like 400+ mb
  • [19:54:26] <peniwize> I'm currently downloading another image from here: http://beagleboard.org/latest-images
  • [19:55:36] <peniwize> I see. So, maybe the image I'm running now is just the wrong one to be using. :-/
  • [19:57:08] <peniwize> What does the flash programming process look like? All of my LED's are currently flashing every 1/2 second or so. Does that mean it's probably programming the flash? Iirc, the wiki said something about the LED's being on sold when the process is complete.
  • [19:57:23] <peniwize> Does that sounds about right?
  • [19:58:17] <dsmith-work> peniwize: I was confused upgrading my BBB to Debian also. Apparently, the system is fully up and running while it's flashing. Made me think I had a non-flashing image.
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  • [19:58:48] <myself> It would be cool if someone made like a youtube video of all that..
  • [19:59:02] <dsmith-work> When it's done, the LEDs don't blink anymore.
  • [19:59:45] <dsmith-work> Supposed to be all 4 on. But I *think* I remember only 3 being on...
  • [20:00:37] <dsmith-work> It says it takes about 40 min, but I think it was more like 15 for me.
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  • [20:01:47] <dsmith-work> What I'd like to do now it reverse that. Take my running eMMC and back it up to an SD. So I don't have to go back an uninstall everything I don't need..
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  • [20:02:13] <peniwize> dsmith-work: Thanks. It's totally unclear from the online instructions so I'm confused in the same way - or at least I was until you replied. :-
  • [20:02:17] <peniwize> :-)
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  • [20:03:13] <peniwize> I tried this last night and it ran for a couple hours with the LED's flashing so I assume something went wrong. Hopefully I'll have better luck this time.
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  • [20:03:54] <dsmith-work> My BBB is currently running a bot (in Guile Scheme) in the #guile channel.
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  • [20:04:32] <__butch__> peniwize: You can't have anything plugged into the board. No HDMI, no USB. Power via 5V barrel connector. Hold down the boot button, plug in the power. Wait until you go past the four LEDs lit and they start blinking. Release the boot button. Wait. Wait longer. Wait even longer. When all four LEDs are lit, it's done.
  • [20:05:18] <__butch__> peniwize: It can really take 40 minutes. It can also take 15 or less. It just depends on the size of the image.
  • [20:05:28] <__butch__> peniwize: Hours is too long. :-)
  • [20:06:02] <__butch__> peniwize: Based on your description, because you had the HDMI cable plugged in, it booted. It was happily soldiering along running the OS like it's supposed to.
  • [20:06:09] <dsmith-work> __butch__: The first time, I waited over night. Then I realised I had the non-flasher image....
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  • [20:08:02] <peniwize> Ahh. OK. If I have stuff plugged in and it causes the flashing process to fail then will it continue to blink and look like it's still programming the flash or will it do something different to indicate that the flashing process has failed?
  • [20:08:04] <__butch__> @dsmith-work: You should be able to copy out of eMCC using dd as long as you know the exact size you want to copy. It's not really such a big deal since you probably haven't filled it completely, and hopefully it's not fragmented and the empty space is still at the end.
  • [20:08:37] <__butch__> @peniwize: The LEDs blink during normal operation pretty much exactly the same way the blink when you're flashing, so there's no real way to tell what it's doing.
  • [20:08:53] <peniwize> Oh! Slick! So all the flashing process is doing it dd'ing an image onto the internal flash?
  • [20:09:12] <peniwize> If so then I could do that manually so I know for sure what's happening.
  • [20:10:26] <JoE6> Will production of BBB Rev B continue, or will Rev C replace it completely?
  • [20:10:42] <__butch__> @peniwize: Yes, if you look at the disk partitions via mount, you'll see that the eMCC is just a disk to the OS.
  • [20:11:18] <__butch__> @peniwize: And at this point I think I'll shut up and get some lunch before I say something wrong and you wipe out a perfectly good BBB. :-)
  • [20:11:46] <__butch__> @JoE6: What I've seen indicates that Rev B is done, no more production, and only Rev C going foward.
  • [20:11:53] <__butch__> ^foward^forward^
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  • [20:12:13] <__butch__> Back in a bit . . .
  • [20:13:59] <peniwize> __butch__: thanks for the help.
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  • [20:16:30] <dsmith-work> And of course, the purpose of copying it to SD is so that I can re-flash it from that if I need to.
  • [20:16:59] <H-H-H> grrrr my kernel is panicking as it cant find the busybox init now :|
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  • [20:20:28] <JoE6> @__butch__ Merci for that observation. If the availability of BBB is going "forward" I will have to swallow the increase of 18%...
  • [20:21:56] <nyt-> lol
  • [20:22:02] <nyt-> because its priced out of affordability now
  • [20:22:02] <nyt-> clearly
  • [20:23:43] <JoE6> Maybe the BBB was way to cheap to begin with....
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  • [20:25:52] <ZiNC> Why would they keep two revisions around?
  • [20:26:12] <ZiNC> Or, you mean two price options?
  • [20:29:03] <JoE6> There is always a price sensitive market. With education each cent counts - and for Blinken LED a 45$ device is as good as a 55$.
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  • [20:33:17] <ZiNC> Sure. I guess they either decided they can't continue at the same price (maybe production's gotten more expensive, too), or just that the market will bear it.
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  • [20:33:54] <ZiNC> To blink LEDs you can make do with a <$10 board too.
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  • [20:35:22] <JoE6> Is there any word when the Element 14 BBB Clone will be available?
  • [20:36:24] <ZiNC> Why prefer it?
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  • [20:38:38] <dsmith-work> JoE6: Thats what I have.
  • [20:38:57] <dsmith-work> ZiNC: Because you can ge them!
  • [20:39:04] <ZiNC> :)
  • [20:39:07] <dsmith-work> s/ge/get/
  • [20:40:24] <JoE6> My impression is (looking at the non availability) that a second source is badly needed.
  • [20:41:31] <ZiNC> I'm not sure if it's the version you're talking about, but Seeed has a version for $70 seemingly in stock.
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  • [20:42:02] <ZiNC> Special Computing has the original rev C also for $70.
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  • [20:43:05] <ZiNC> + shipping, in the case of SC.
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  • [20:45:18] <dsmith-work> I originally ordered from Element 14 with nothing in stock, and after a few weeks I got an email about their substitute version.
  • [20:45:43] <JoE6> I am Germany based. International shipping cost and custom expenses will drive the price into regions that are not acceptable.
  • [20:46:35] <ZiNC> Seeed should have free international shipping on that.
  • [20:46:52] <JoE6> All german suppliers are out of stock and a fun dog on ebay offers them for 999 Euro.
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  • [20:51:16] <vagrantc> the increase in price on the BeagleBone Black was due to needing to switch to 4GB eMMC, and the Debian image needed almost 2GB for the OS alone.
  • [20:51:34] <vagrantc> i guess the 2GB eMMC were getting hard to come by, as well.
  • [20:51:42] <jkridner> hi vagrantc. Thanks for the support on #beagle!
  • [20:51:51] <vagrantc> happy to
  • [20:52:07] <vagrantc> jkridner: looks like they've accepted my config updates in the Debian kernels
  • [20:52:22] <jkridner> saw that e-mail. guess the USB is still a challenge?
  • [20:52:26] <vagrantc> jkridner: unfortunately, the multiplatform kernels don't really work with USB DMA...
  • [20:52:29] <ZiNC> That can't be the only reason, though, considering the $10 difference.
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  • [20:53:02] <jkridner> ZiNC: it is also paying for a 3rd shift and expedited parts to accelerate production.
  • [20:53:03] <ZiNC> What's taking so much in the Debian image?
  • [20:53:08] <vagrantc> jkridner: but it still is viable for headless use... or a non-interactive kiosk
  • [20:53:14] <jkridner> ZiNC: http://beagleboard.org/blog/2014-04-13-dude-wheres-my-beaglebone-black/
  • [20:53:19] <JoE6> I understand bigger mem = bigger price. Totally. And more money to produce more boards.
  • [20:53:25] <ZiNC> jkridner: I guess improving production is the main reason.
  • [20:53:31] <jkridner> ZiNC: /usr/share/doc is 800MB
  • [20:53:55] <ZiNC> How much would it take barebonized? :)
  • [20:54:06] <JoE6> WHAT? YOU LAZY BONES ONLY WORKED 2 SHIFT making ME wait?!?!?! Irony off....
  • [20:54:20] <jkridner> ZiNC: maybe 60/40, but the 4GB is more expensive.
  • [20:54:48] <ZiNC> I wonder how it'll affect sales long term.
  • [20:55:02] <ZiNC> But I guess this is a concern for the long term rather than now. :)
  • [20:55:17] <veremit> interest in the BBB is high
  • [20:55:27] <jkridner> I'm not a big fan of the price increase, but the demand is strong. Strong enough for clones to come on-board at the same or lower price.
  • [20:55:43] <JoE6> There is a market rule on demand and prices too...
  • [20:55:58] <ZiNC> jkridner: Are you considering also the "competition", or is it just about getting the hardware you had in mind out?
  • [20:56:50] <mrpackethead> JoE6: and also supply
  • [20:57:11] <mrpackethead> on a hot day on the beach, if you have the only ice-cream truck, you can charge what you want.
  • [20:57:13] <ZiNC> I wonder if it would make sense to also produce a Lite version, with some less hardware but generally software compatible, for a lower price.
  • [20:57:22] <peniwize> After peeking into the latest Debian and Ubuntu beagleboard eMMC images I've found that LED's that flash twice every 1/2 second or so means that the flash process failed. I also found the script that flashes the eMMC in '/opt/scripts/tools/eMMC/beaglebone-black-make-microSD-flasher-from-eMMC.sh' and I'm running it manually to see what happens. So far so good.
  • [20:57:52] <jkridner> ZiNC: right now, I personally don't make any money on boards, so clones are excellent.
  • [20:58:03] <mrpackethead> yes, the more the better
  • [20:58:18] <jkridner> I'm more concerned about making it as affordable as possible so as many people can get boards as possible....
  • [20:58:52] <jkridner> but, the price can't be so low that it is just a marketing gimmick and when suppliers get bored of it being a loss leader, they lose interest.
  • [20:58:55] <ZiNC> jkridner: Is the goal at all to be profitable? (I mean beyond breaking even.)
  • [20:59:04] * jkridner is planning for BeagleBoard.org to be around for the long haul.
  • [20:59:32] <vagrantc> it's got to be profitable enough the manufacturers don't loose money producing them, at least...
  • [20:59:43] <ZiNC> Sure.
  • [20:59:45] <jkridner> ZiNC: profitable for everyone involved, but still lower-margin than typical.
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  • [20:59:51] <mrpackethead> pity that there are some individuals have behaved so poorly, to make yoru job harder jkridner
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  • [21:00:10] <jkridner> things seem OK from where I sit.
  • [21:00:19] <jkridner> interest is growing constantly.
  • [21:00:28] <ZiNC> Was it ever considered to be out as part of TI's Launchpad?
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  • [21:00:51] <jkridner> sure, we aren't R-Pi, but we do more and I think the people that convert become long-term converts due to all the extra capabilities.
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  • [21:01:36] <jkridner> We aren't everything we want to be to the hard-core Linux heads, but I still feel the large community will help us get there over time---and we'll be around.
  • [21:01:42] <jkridner> ZiNC: no.
  • [21:01:52] <mrpackethead> kickstarter for 100,000 units. :-)
  • [21:02:02] <veremit> BBB >>>> Pi :p
  • [21:02:06] <jkridner> Goal from the beginning has been to leave as little control in TI's hands as possible.
  • [21:02:15] <veremit> even with its quirks
  • [21:02:16] <veremit> :)
  • [21:03:01] <mrpackethead> the way to do that woudl be to be able to dual source the key component
  • [21:03:22] <ZiNC> Has the focus shifted more to becoming a higher level computer of sorts (hardcore Linux you say) than initially?
  • [21:04:19] <idwer> a BBB can handle SDHC without any problems, right?
  • [21:04:42] * jkridner goes back to soldering up some hacks for Maker Faire.
  • [21:05:05] <ZiNC> Farewell. :)
  • [21:05:21] <veremit> mmm solder fumes :)
  • [21:05:23] <jkridner> ZiNC: it has shifted to be more for 'makers' than originally... (originally more for ARM Linux developers)
  • [21:05:28] <ZiNC> veremit: Depends on your needs/goals, though.
  • [21:05:37] <veremit> ofc
  • [21:05:43] <veremit> there's a number of ARM boards out there now
  • [21:05:49] <veremit> even low cost ones
  • [21:05:55] <ZiNC> jkridner: Oh. I the reverse, more hardware/embedded initially.
  • [21:06:08] * jkridner is concerned about losing the roots though and is trying to think about how best to hold on to the hardcore ARM Linux developers.
  • [21:06:31] <jkridner> ZiNC: was originally more desktop-like focus.
  • [21:06:42] <ZiNC> Interesting.
  • [21:07:01] <jkridner> then moved to things like the built-in web-based IDE, etc.
  • [21:07:17] <jkridner> k, now really back to soldering. :-)
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  • [21:07:35] <ZiNC> Alright. Thanks for the inside background. :)
  • [21:07:46] <ZiNC> veremit: Depends on what ARM, though.
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  • [21:08:26] <veremit> ZiNC .. whats your application/
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  • [21:09:23] <ZiNC> I mean in general.
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  • [21:09:40] <ZiNC> What's the cheapest ARM board you encoutered?
  • [21:10:17] <veremit> cheapest arm board is easy .. has to be the Pi.
  • [21:10:26] <veremit> cos that was always their key aim.
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  • [21:11:28] <ZiNC> Oh, you mean with a whole bunch of ready-made connectivity.
  • [21:12:12] <vagrantc> the cubox-i seems to be amoung the most consumer-looking cheap ARM devices, but it's kind of a little black box, though more open thanit's cover would let on.
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  • [21:12:25] <ZiNC> I thought of more minimal stuff, just a chip with support circuitry and some easy way to program and hook extra things up.
  • [21:12:34] <__butch__> Repeat question: How does one change Cloud9 to use a port other than 3000?
  • [21:12:50] <veremit> as I Say .. its dependant very much on your definition and application .. it could be a $100 unit or a $30 unit :)
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  • [21:13:08] <vagrantc> __butch__: why do you need to?
  • [21:13:18] <vagrantc> __butch__: as that would inform the question...
  • [21:13:33] <veremit> I don't think anyone has gone sufficiently minimalist to just have a processor, and ram .. thats not a whole lot interesting to many folks.
  • [21:13:58] <H-H-H> awesome for embeded stuff tho
  • [21:14:14] <H-H-H> ide love one so i could hide it in the dash of a car
  • [21:14:14] <ZiNC> The Arduino things are pretty much that. Sans the external RAM. :)
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  • [21:14:57] <veremit> ZiNC .. think you'll find an arduino comes to a very comparable price to the Pi .. but is a totally different animal. Arduino is an awesome platform though. But doesn't have much processing and zilch graphics capability
  • [21:15:23] <ZiNC> When did CuBox-i show up? They seem really keen on not showing their hardware.
  • [21:15:28] <__butch__> @vagrantc: I just want to run something else on port 3000 (Ruby on Rails WEBrick). I know how to change its port, but I'd rather use its default port of 3000.
  • [21:15:51] <ZiNC> veremit: Surely different target uses.
  • [21:16:11] <veremit> what may interest you is something like the Arm Cortex M0-M3 series of processors, but again .. I know no low-cost boards (save perhaps the "embedded Pi") which have an entry-level target
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  • [21:16:17] <H-H-H> beaglebone nd 328 together lol
  • [21:16:55] <ZiNC> veremit: Not looking for anything right now, just wondered. :)
  • [21:17:10] <ZiNC> The cheapest I recall is one of the small Cypress devkit things.
  • [21:17:16] <ZiNC> ARM-wise.
  • [21:17:33] <veremit> fundamentally you still got a pay a few $ for the chip and a pcb. :)
  • [21:17:54] <ZiNC> They have to. You get the assembled thing. :)
  • [21:18:08] <veremit> yea .. but the cost has to go somewhere ;)
  • [21:18:34] <ZiNC> I suspect devkits aren't going for profit in many cases.
  • [21:18:49] <ZiNC> Or demo boards, or whatever you'd call it.
  • [21:19:13] <vagrantc> ZiNC: i think the cubox-i started shipping early this year?
  • [21:19:15] <veremit> depends on the platform .. I've seen kits priced at 00s or 000s of $ .. they are making a margin, I'm sure :)
  • [21:19:46] <veremit> most ARM kits used to be >$200 at one time
  • [21:20:53] <ZiNC> It looks like some of the newer manufacturer-provided boards, targeted at the new hobby market of the last few years, are an entirely different thing.
  • [21:21:06] <ZiNC> Let me look for it...
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  • [21:22:36] <ZiNC> Unless they're going for $50 shipping, this is price friendly: http://www.cypress.com/?rid=92146
  • [21:22:52] <veremit> nanopc-t1 was one I was looking at.
  • [21:22:52] <ZiNC> It's M0.
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  • [21:26:33] <ZiNC> BTW, what boot time do you get on Debian now, compared with Angstrom?
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  • [23:43:40] <H-H-H> oooo compilling a qt4 app on a beaglebone white is painfull lol
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  • [23:44:29] <veremit> not really agood platform for building apps generally I'd say ...
  • [23:46:40] <H-H-H> not when your running arch on it and connecting to the xfce desktop over vnc lol
  • [23:47:22] <veremit> yikes thats pretty hardcore for a single core at <=1Ghz :p
  • [23:49:33] <H-H-H> if this app compiles and runs then i will be the happyest persion alive :)
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  • [23:53:17] <veremit> eventually ;)
  • [23:53:42] <H-H-H> haha yeah
  • [23:54:41] <H-H-H> thing is im in a position to buy a bulk load of ex manafacturer stock of tablets so im playing with rolling my own systems on arm using my beaglebone lol
  • [23:54:54] <myself> how bulk? heh..
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  • [23:55:30] <H-H-H> a few :)
  • [23:56:06] <myself> eeenteresting.
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  • [23:57:00] <H-H-H> im not allowed to say where or how many but its enough to keep me fiddling for a bit