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  • [00:00:22] * Set by KotH!~attila@lou-outside.kinali.ch on Fri Apr 18 13:57:19 UTC 2014
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  • [00:19:47] <JFK911> apparently i'm too new at systemd to figure out how to disable lightdm
  • [00:20:07] <rocky|quadcopter> systemctl disable lightdm.service ?
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  • [00:20:23] <JFK911> tried that, didnt seem to take.
  • [00:20:29] <JFK911> systemctl stops it though.
  • [00:20:33] <rocky|quadcopter> huh.
  • [00:20:34] <JFK911> i'll try it again
  • [00:20:46] <rocky|quadcopter> maybe it's a nonstandard name?
  • [00:21:04] <JFK911> i thought it simply reappeared when i rebooted it, but that may have been to try 'systemctl preset multi-user'
  • [00:21:11] <JFK911> let me try some more
  • [00:21:35] <rocky|quadcopter> you might take a look at the symlinks that systemd uses. I forget where it puts them though.
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  • [00:22:43] <JFK911> yeah didnt find it there
  • [00:23:20] <JFK911> 'disable lightdm.service' reported 'failed to issue method call, no such file or directory'
  • [00:23:30] <JFK911> i think i found a reference to lightdm in /etc/systemd
  • [00:23:59] <rocky|quadcopter> run systemctl to see a list of loaded services.
  • [00:24:11] <rocky|quadcopter> if it's not in there, it's probably not using systemctl.
  • [00:24:24] <JFK911> 1it's in there
  • [00:24:33] <JFK911> systemctl can stop it
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  • [00:24:51] <rocky|quadcopter> :V I don't know then. Anyone else have ideas?
  • [00:25:35] <JFK911> there are sysv init scripts for it
  • [00:27:58] <JFK911> what i am at runlevel 5?!
  • [00:28:06] <JFK911> debian is silly
  • [00:28:35] <rocky|quadcopter> sometimes. *arch all the way*
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  • [00:33:12] <JFK911> this thing boots faster but i liked the angstrom build
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  • [00:34:31] <rocky|quadcopter> I like angstrom except for its package manager. It is way too slow. Plus, the packages available are very limited compared to debian.
  • [00:36:35] <JFK911> how do i install packages on the debian thing?
  • [00:36:48] <rocky|quadcopter> apt-get install <package name>
  • [00:37:08] <JFK911> oke easy enough
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  • [00:37:46] <rocky|quadcopter> you can search using apt-cache
  • [00:38:20] <rocky|quadcopter> Are the manpages availble on Debian? That was another major compliant I had about Angstrom.
  • [00:38:41] <JFK911> i got a manpage
  • [00:38:43] <JFK911> ok there's lldpd
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  • [00:41:28] <Dan1> JFK911: in case you dont already know, you will want apt-get update also apt-get upgrade :)
  • [00:41:52] <rocky|quadcopter> ^ yes. update will update your repos, upgrade will install the latest packages.
  • [00:42:21] <JFK911> Dan1: i will want to 'upgrade' an image built last week??
  • [00:42:29] <rocky|quadcopter> maybe?
  • [00:42:45] <JFK911> i'll do it after i clean out packages i'm not interested in
  • [00:43:18] <JFK911> hm dhcp client didnt pick up the hostname or the timeserver
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  • [00:44:07] <Dan1> JFK911: maybe not on a new image, but it will only download stuff that isnt already the newest so its not like its going to do anything bad
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  • [00:44:29] <JFK911> Dan1: im kind of new to having a flash filesystem so im afraid to write to it ;)
  • [00:44:40] <Dan1> but hey its your thing, its up to you. im just tryin to help
  • [00:44:52] <Dan1> dont be
  • [00:45:30] <Dan1> the one in my raspberry pi's been going for years constantly reading/writing to it
  • [00:45:37] <JFK911> im going to try and remove lightdm from rc5.d
  • [00:46:01] <nyt-> rc5.d is not called on boot
  • [00:46:29] <nyt-> oh nm
  • [00:46:30] <nyt-> weird
  • [00:46:36] <nyt-> it does boot into runlevel 5 haha
  • [00:46:57] <nyt-> whats odd is i checked inittab
  • [00:46:59] <nyt-> and its id:2
  • [00:47:00] <nyt-> but
  • [00:47:01] <JFK911> i was expecting to be in 2 for multiuser
  • [00:47:02] <nyt-> system is running at 5
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  • [00:48:38] <nyt-> anyway lightdm is in rc2.d on my bb
  • [00:50:49] <JFK911> 2, 3, 4, 5
  • [00:50:59] <JFK911> i'd like to leave it in 5, and have default runlevel be 2
  • [00:51:35] <JFK911> i prepended a tilde to the names of rc?.d/S04lightdm
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  • [00:56:25] <dsmith-work> Yeah, the first thing I did with my bbb was purging all the X11 stuff.
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  • [00:57:21] <dsmith-work> Seems quite a put peppier than an rpi.
  • [00:57:28] <dsmith-work> s/put/bit/
  • [00:59:06] <JFK911> root@beaglebone:~# free -m total used free shared buffers cached
  • [00:59:09] <JFK911> Mem: 497 90 406 0 9 34
  • [00:59:10] <JFK911> thats super
  • [01:00:09] <prpplague> dsmith-work: yea, but the bbb just doesn't have that awesome 2x13 header like the rpi
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  • [01:01:31] <JFK911> more pins = better
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  • [01:01:52] <prpplague> it's not the number of pins you have, it's how you use them
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  • [01:13:06] <prpplague> Luke-Jr: with no experience, yes, insane
  • [01:14:18] <Luke-Jr> :/
  • [01:15:02] <dsmith-work> Luke-Jr: Don't be discouraged. You can the the same stuff they did.
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  • [01:15:08] <Luke-Jr> I don't suppose soldering simple stuff counts for anything? And knowing how i2c and SPI work in theory
  • [01:15:15] <dsmith-work> s/can /can learn /
  • [01:15:39] <Luke-Jr> well, I'm hoping I can just get a i2c relay module, and wire it to the BBB i2c pinouts..
  • [01:15:58] <Finsch> I would control the gpio via webinterface and hardware button und view the stat at the web interface in "realtme"
  • [01:16:18] <Finsch> if the idea to chosse json the best ?
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  • [01:33:51] <johnwalkr> BBB also doesn’t have that great i2c implementation
  • [01:34:29] <johnwalkr> forces you to run it at like 100Hz in some sitiations, really makes your datalogging more space efficiant
  • [01:34:39] <johnwalkr> rpi is great for that too
  • [01:35:01] <prpplague> hehe
  • [01:35:33] <johnwalkr> that was the most stressful week of my life, broke a BBB and couldn’t get a replacement in time
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  • [01:35:42] <JFK911> in time for waht
  • [01:35:48] <johnwalkr> and it was the week an undergrad working under me had his thesis due
  • [01:35:54] <JFK911> oi
  • [01:36:13] <johnwalkr> i stayed up 2 nights in a row making an rpi fit only to find out it wouldn’t datalog over i2c
  • [01:36:37] <johnwalkr> due to a documented hardware bug that was never fixed in a revision (on the SOC, not anything rpi specific)
  • [01:36:44] <JFK911> haaaa
  • [01:37:29] <johnwalkr> i wish i had a picture of the rpi, i had to remove all of the connectors and solder everything including the sd card to it via wires
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  • [01:38:26] <johnwalkr> finally a used BBB came up on amazon and i bought it for about $100
  • [01:39:15] <JFK911> hohoho
  • [01:39:35] <JFK911> feel like i should buy some and hold them in stock
  • [01:44:20] <johnwalkr> yeah i bought a few after that
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  • [02:01:10] <JFK911> ok now theres a half gbyte free on the eMMC and it boots in seconds
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  • [02:38:04] <johnwalkr> yeah most popular in here it seems
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  • [05:37:01] <JFK911> looked like qa failure
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  • [06:15:57] <EterniaLogic> Hello, running first day on beaglebone black and I was about to boot ubuntu on an SD card...
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  • [06:15:58] <EterniaLogic> and now it never boots
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  • [06:16:34] <tbr> EterniaLogic: can you be a bit more specific?
  • [06:16:42] <EterniaLogic> no USR0-USR3 Led action going on, even when I hold down the user button
  • [06:17:13] <EterniaLogic> but PWR led is on
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  • [06:18:01] <tbr> EterniaLogic: how did you prepare the SD card?
  • [06:18:36] <EterniaLogic> Ubuntu SD using image writer on windows
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  • [06:20:55] <EterniaLogic> when I plug it into a windows computer, I get a device called: "AM335x USB", when I plug it into linux, nothing shows up
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  • [06:23:56] <EterniaLogic> is it bricked? I was running a VNC session when it suddenly stopped running.
  • [06:24:09] <EterniaLogic> which will suck, because I've only had it for 1 day...
  • [06:24:36] <Dan1> worst case, just rewrite the sd card again
  • [06:24:49] <Dan1> sounds like you havnt done anything that would physically hurt the BBB
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  • [06:25:26] <foreverska> does angstrom not ship with prudrv.c out of the factory?
  • [06:25:32] <EterniaLogic> no USR0-USR3 Leds showing up
  • [06:25:41] <LetoThe2nd> plus, its generally wiser to start with debian instead of ubuntu, as that image sees considerably more love: http://beagleboard.org/latest-images
  • [06:26:47] <LetoThe2nd> foreverska: thats very possible.
  • [06:27:34] <foreverska> ... thats terrible... The package in debian seems outdated and it doesn't exist in Angstrom
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  • [06:29:10] <LetoThe2nd> foreverska: obviously we have very different definitions of "terrible"
  • [06:29:32] <LetoThe2nd> copying a c file back and forth should not be worth being called "terrible"
  • [06:30:20] <foreverska> Well if the *prudrv.h isn't there then likely the libs aren't either
  • [06:30:32] <tbr> the right thing might be to contact the package maintainer and ask him to update his package
  • [06:32:36] <LetoThe2nd> foreverska: well you asked only for the specific c file firsthand ;)
  • [06:33:25] <LetoThe2nd> foreverska: have you verified that the beagleboard.org provided debian image is also outdated? if yes, then what tbr suggested should be the correct thing to do.
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  • [06:34:25] <foreverska> Well its really odd... the header present in the Debian image is inconsistent with TI's documentation. I assume TI's documentation is right in this instance.
  • [06:34:28] <EterniaLogic> Should I re-order another BBB? (returning through amazon)
  • [06:35:16] <EterniaLogic> all it seems to be doing is turning on and off, no matter what media I use to boot with. no matter what button I press in what order
  • [06:35:29] <EterniaLogic> and no USR lights ever come on
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  • [06:36:52] <LetoThe2nd> sounds strange
  • [06:37:06] <LetoThe2nd> the power supply is fine?
  • [06:37:53] <EterniaLogic> dont have a multimeter on hand, but PWR is coming on
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  • [06:38:25] <LetoThe2nd> hm
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  • [06:39:35] <Dan1> EterniaLogic: how are you powering it? from what source?
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  • [06:40:55] <EterniaLogic> wall usb charger, 700mA
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  • [06:41:15] <Dan1> might not be enough power
  • [06:41:31] <EterniaLogic> it was working fine earlier
  • [06:41:41] <Dan1> do you have any other way of powering it?
  • [06:41:42] <EterniaLogic> then plop, doesnt work
  • [06:42:10] <Dan1> yea, that can happen.
  • [06:42:51] <EterniaLogic> just stops working?
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  • [06:43:34] <Dan1> afaik well 700ma isnt really enough, you might have been just under that before but over it now.
  • [06:43:54] <Dan1> and a lot of problems are caused by not giving it enough power
  • [06:44:18] <Dan1> so its just an obvious thing to try if theres no other reasons that are obvious
  • [06:44:30] <Dan1> which from what you have said, there is nothing more obvious
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  • [06:45:41] <JFK911> what current is necessary
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  • [06:46:34] <Dan1> i think 1A is min 2A recommended depending on what your doing
  • [06:48:19] <Dan1> "The board uses the same power supply as the Beaglebone. 5VDC, 1A, 2.1mm, CENTER POSITIVE. The power supply is not supplied with the board. " http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBone_Black_Accessories#Power_Supplies
  • [06:48:29] <LetoThe2nd> 2A is a bit much, 1A should do fine.
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  • [06:48:36] <LetoThe2nd> the pandaboard needed 2A
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  • [06:49:38] <Dan1> if your buying a psu for it, surely 2a supplys arent much more than a comparable 1a?
  • [06:49:56] <EterniaLogic> I will try to add another 500 ma to see if it helps
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  • [06:50:46] <LetoThe2nd> its just essential that you do not overvolt it
  • [06:52:41] <shawnbon206> hello
  • [06:52:59] <shawnbon206> i am thinking about making a case for my bbb, out of billet aluminum
  • [06:53:06] <shawnbon206> with built in heatsinks
  • [06:53:18] <shawnbon206> good idea?
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  • [06:53:50] <Dan1> certainly an interesting idea
  • [06:54:28] <shawnbon206> http://www.raspberry-pi-case.com/pictures/raspberry-pi-case_assembly4.jpg
  • [06:54:31] <shawnbon206> similar to this
  • [06:54:39] <Dan1> ahh yea nice
  • [06:54:54] <shawnbon206> green circles thermal paste
  • [06:54:56] <shawnbon206> :D
  • [06:54:59] <Dan1> yup
  • [06:55:02] <Dan1> did you make that one?
  • [06:55:07] <foreverska> Pretty sure I read these chips don't get that hot but can't hurt
  • [06:55:08] <shawnbon206> no
  • [06:55:18] <nyt-> yeah you wont need heatsinks
  • [06:55:22] <shawnbon206> well, my question is, CAN it hurt?
  • [06:55:31] <Dan1> i cant see how
  • [06:55:33] <shawnbon206> could it actually worsen heat disapation
  • [06:55:41] <shawnbon206> its not that i need it
  • [06:55:44] <EterniaLogic> yeah, 1A iphone charger, nothing
  • [06:55:47] <shawnbon206> its because i need a project for school
  • [06:55:52] <nyt-> nope wont hurt
  • [06:55:57] <nyt-> unless you botch it
  • [06:56:21] <shawnbon206> well i will use a height gauge and granite inspection table to measure the board
  • [06:56:22] <foreverska> you should put it in a fish bowl full of that non conductive fluid
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  • [06:56:32] <shawnbon206> it should be within a few thousandths
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  • [06:57:18] <shawnbon206> i could make a waterproof case
  • [06:57:22] <Dan1> shawnbon206: make me one while your at it? ;)
  • [06:57:29] <shawnbon206> my friend works for a company who makes waterproof connectors
  • [06:57:34] <foreverska> Water proof case + rad
  • [06:57:34] <EterniaLogic> guess I will put the BBB on a 5V 2A PSU tomorrow to see if it boots or not.
  • [06:58:25] <foreverska> Then a alcohol spray like the ricers do on intercoolers
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  • [06:59:39] <Dan1> EterniaLogic: if it dosnt work on a reliable 1a source i think its not the power
  • [06:59:45] <shawnbon206> well i want to keep it simple and functional. will take too much prototyping to make a waterproof one and will surely add bulk
  • [06:59:55] <Dan1> have you tried reburning the sd?
  • [07:01:00] <foreverska> The board by itself will never overheat so... that would be the simplest...
  • [07:01:31] <EterniaLogic> yes, reburned the sd, nada
  • [07:02:07] <foreverska> Earlier I burnt the tar to my SD. Had a good chuckle when I realized it
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  • [07:09:47] <shawnbon206> so after i preordered my rev C i learned some retailers have their own anufacturers for BBBs?
  • [07:10:04] <shawnbon206> is SparkFun a reputable supplier?
  • [07:10:44] <Dan1> there is aparently some knockoff BBB's being made, but all genuine bbb's are made by the same people
  • [07:10:55] <shawnbon206> oh, okay
  • [07:10:56] <Dan1> but yea, sparkfun is reliable
  • [07:11:22] <shawnbon206> ok time to root this router
  • [07:11:38] <nyt-> which
  • [07:11:49] <shawnbon206> vizio xwr100
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  • [07:18:23] <EterniaLogic> aaand running over 1.5 Amps max now and it isnt doing anything
  • [07:18:46] * Dan1 already called that
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  • [07:19:24] <EterniaLogic> woo, get to ship back after having it for 1 day :x
  • [07:19:47] <LetoThe2nd> yeah sounds like br0ken then.
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  • [07:27:38] <ectally> anyone awake tonight? trying to begin to read up about how the Debian Beta image is constructed, doing "own homework" in a sense, lol
  • [07:28:47] <ectally> not sure if the official BeagleBoard.org Debian Beta image differs from the rootfs image mentioned at http://avedo.net/653/flashing-ubuntu-13-04-or-debian-wheezy-to-the-beaglebone-black-emmc/ but the latter seems to be able to allow the board to shut itself down from the OS, and to reboot (ACPI, I wonder?)
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  • [07:32:08] <ectally> I'm trying to build an OS emulator environment, in the same regards - would like to test a Common Lisp implementation to see if it builds successfully on the same LibC toolchain as used on BBB, trying to start from the ground up
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  • [07:35:26] <shawnbon206> yay
  • [07:36:22] <shawnbon206> openwrt building woot
  • [07:36:27] <shawnbon206> aosp building too
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  • [07:43:41] <ectally> Would anyone know if this page represents the build process for the Debian Beta image ? http://www.elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian
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  • [07:44:40] <LetoThe2nd> ectally: http://www.elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack_Rebuilding_Software_Image should be
  • [07:44:47] <ectally> I see that it indicates a build process for a Debian image for BeagleBoard, just not sure if it would or would not be the exact procedure used for the Debian image at the BB.o `latest-images' page
  • [07:44:54] <ectally> LetoThe2nd: thx
  • [07:45:41] <ectally> LetoThe2nd: Schweet! That's what I was looking for, yay
  • [07:46:33] <ectally> LetoThe2nd: will fetch with GitHub, kind of orbital as a student of DeVry U Online but looking forward to studying the BeagleBoard platform more
  • [07:48:13] <LetoThe2nd> ectally: in open source, you don't need to be a student of anything to look into things :)
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  • [07:50:59] <ectally> LetoThe2nd: indeed
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  • [07:59:20] <ectally> Would anyone know if there might be any sort of a call for any architecture documentation about BBB? I'm a fan of SysML -- could make an xref to a nice kindle book about SysML, besides the OMG specs themselves, and there's Modelio as a FOSS platform for SysML and UML modeling -- but I'm not sure if it would be unwelcomed, honestly
  • [08:00:02] <ectally> ...or useful, either. Tonight, I've found the image-builder, uboot, and libsoc repositories, it's a start at least
  • [08:00:34] <LetoThe2nd> "architecture documentation"? "sysml"?
  • [08:01:28] <LetoThe2nd> isn't that just buzzwords for "read the manual"?
  • [08:01:45] <LetoThe2nd> we have a BBB SRM, and for the CPU there's the corresponding TRM.
  • [08:01:52] <ectally> LetoThe2nd: Yeah, like toolchain documentation, and maybe some documentation about the essential "modules" comprising a BBB OS installation, focusing namley on the Debian Beta image. LoL, I've read the SRM, should probably look back to my notes on that
  • [08:02:32] <KotH> ectally: hin: 99% of that CS stuff you learn at school is utterly useless in the real world
  • [08:02:48] <ectally> LetoThe2nd: I like the level of detail about the hardware, in the SRM, trying to get a picture about the software side now
  • [08:02:53] <KotH> ectally: unless you build enterprisy software... but that's a something different than real world
  • [08:02:57] <ectally> KotH: LoL I've studies SysML independently
  • [08:03:14] <LetoThe2nd> ectally: the software side is a totally standard linux userland
  • [08:03:42] <LetoThe2nd> no magic there, and no idea what any more buzzwords about it would do good.
  • [08:03:45] <ectally> KotH: IMO, UML resembles Common Lisp's metaclass architecture. I'm sure the latter is not "in vogue," but I'm familiar with it to some extent
  • [08:03:58] <ectally> well, UML and MOF or somesuch, nothing too formal though
  • [08:04:27] <ectally> LetoThe2nd: not trying to just make buzzwords, will avoid further comment
  • [08:04:32] <KotH> ectally: i've been programming for close to 15y now. i have not used anything more than class diagrams ever
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  • [08:05:16] <KotH> ectally: there are places where some form or other of digram is usefull. uml gives you a standard way how to describe your stuff. you should not glorify it beyond that
  • [08:05:40] <LetoThe2nd> KotH: yeah, glorify me instead, as i am your god emperor!
  • [08:06:02] <KotH> ectally: as for the lispy side of things... nice concepts, maybe usefull in some applications, but the world in generall does not use lisp much
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  • [08:07:21] <LetoThe2nd> KotH: thanks!
  • [08:07:27] <KotH> you are welcome :)
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  • [08:13:20] <nyt-> cant wait to dig myself out of code backlog so i can actually make something with my bbb and all the work i put into it
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  • [08:15:46] <nyt-> ive been eating old oranges :(
  • [08:15:49] <nyt-> no good food left in the house
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  • [09:23:08] <BeagleBoneBlack> hi
  • [09:24:25] <BeagleBoneBlack> where can I buy a capacitive touch screen for BBB and a camera cap that can work with both the touch screen and the BBB
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  • [09:41:05] <adnc> hello, I'm desperatly looking for a beaglebone black. does someone know of a seller with stock (prefereable europe/germany) or does someone know when revison c will be available=
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  • [09:41:56] <tbr> adnc: order now and you will receive it in due time
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  • [09:42:18] <adnc> tbr: when is the due time=
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  • [09:42:19] <adnc> ?
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  • [09:43:58] <BeagleBoneBlack> Does PiLFS works for BBB , in this link http://www.intestinate.com/pilfs/guide.html
  • [09:44:45] <LetoThe2nd> BeagleBoneBlack: hopefully not.
  • [09:45:03] <tbr> adnc: usually 2-3 weeks it seems
  • [09:45:07] <Dan1> adnc: about a month, or you can pay twice as much for one as the places that have them in stock
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  • [09:47:29] <BeagleBoneBlack> LetoThe2nd : I wish if there is an easy way to build LFS for BBB, I tried it for 2 weeks, but my biggest problem was on the kernel I didn't know what options should I choose in the configuration part.
  • [09:47:55] <jackmitchell> BeagleBoneBlack: the omap2 defconfig should get you booting I think
  • [09:48:39] <LetoThe2nd> BeagleBoneBlack: the kernel config in use for the BBB is totally no secret at all... you can grab the one in use oin the standard debian images, or the one from the yocto project, or...
  • [09:48:39] <BeagleBoneBlack> jackmitchell : can I use that with buildroot ??
  • [09:49:08] <jackmitchell> BeagleBoneBlack: the defconfig is the kernel config, so you use it with the kernel....
  • [09:50:48] <BeagleBoneBlack> thnx all for explaining that point
  • [09:50:53] <LetoThe2nd> BeagleBoneBlack: you can for example just boot up the debian image and take wahts in /proc/config.gz
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  • [09:51:06] <LetoThe2nd> and boom, now you have a kernel config :)
  • [09:51:23] <BeagleBoneBlack> LetoThe2nd : That is amazing
  • [09:51:46] <LetoThe2nd> BeagleBoneBlack: or even crazier, you can read http://www.elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack_Rebuilding_Software_Image and see how that stuff is actually built
  • [09:51:46] <BeagleBoneBlack> LetoThe2nd : I will do that right now, thnx a lot
  • [09:52:35] <LetoThe2nd> BeagleBoneBlack: or, most funky: ti provides a meta-ti layer to magically build all kinds of funny stuff specifically tuned for the BBB :)
  • [09:52:48] <LetoThe2nd> so no need for half-baked LFS scripts anymore!
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  • [09:53:25] <BeagleBoneBlack> LetoThe2nd : That is amazing
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  • [09:53:58] <BeagleBoneBlack> I will read about meta-ti layer
  • [09:54:21] <LetoThe2nd> BeagleBoneBlack: no, its 2014. we don't need manually copy/pasting build instructions from some lfs book into some terminal anymore. we have automation for that.
  • [09:55:15] <LetoThe2nd> BeagleBoneBlack: for the layer, googleing and reading "yocto getting started" first is kind of... necessary ;)
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  • [09:56:51] <BeagleBoneBlack> LetoThe2nd : Do you advise me to go for Yocto project instead of buildroot ??
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  • [09:57:07] <LetoThe2nd> BeagleBoneBlack: you can interpret it taht way, if you like.
  • [09:57:37] <LetoThe2nd> BeagleBoneBlack: or read it as "buildroot will probalby work, but yocto sees actual care from ti and is a little bit more powerful."
  • [09:58:23] <LetoThe2nd> BeagleBoneBlack: or even read it as "have fun and paly with it, but debian is the currently supported main distribution"
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  • [09:58:48] <BeagleBoneBlack> LetoThe2nd : I will go for it, thnx a lot
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  • [10:27:36] <BBB_> hi
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  • [10:28:26] <BBB_> is there is any way to change the boot image of the angstrom linux to an animated boot ???
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  • [10:30:38] <BBB_> hi
  • [10:31:13] <BBB_> is there is a way to change the boot image of angstrom into an animated image boot
  • [10:31:56] <BBB_> the boot logo
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  • [10:51:10] <KotH> sure
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  • [11:07:27] <BBB_> How to change angstrom boot logo ??
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  • [11:08:37] <KotH> that i dont know
  • [11:11:07] <LetoThe2nd> for u-boot, tkae the source and recompile with whatever image you like
  • [11:11:17] <LetoThe2nd> for the rest, readup on pslplash
  • [11:11:54] <BBB_> LetoThe2nd : does this way allow me to boot with an animated logo ??
  • [11:12:07] <LetoThe2nd> BBB_: depends.
  • [11:12:21] <LetoThe2nd> psplash supports some kind of animation. don't know about u-boot
  • [11:12:52] <LetoThe2nd> but on the other hand, u-boot plus kernel can be optimized that they reach psplash in less than two seconds or such.
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  • [11:14:05] <BBB_> LetoThe2nd : This is complicated for me, where do you suggest to start reading about that ??
  • [11:14:28] <LetoThe2nd> BBB_: google.
  • [11:15:26] <LetoThe2nd> plus, changing some boot logo is to be considered amongst the totally least important things that exist.
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  • [11:15:57] <KotH> LetoThe2nd: unless you are in managment or marketing. then it's the most important thing that exists
  • [11:16:16] <LetoThe2nd> as long as you do not know the build process and how to set up your environment in and out, forget about logos.
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  • [11:16:48] <LetoThe2nd> KotH: people that are competent enough to sell things shouldn't have any problems changing a logo quickly.
  • [11:17:28] <LetoThe2nd> hence, no problems for marketing. if you don't know how to do it, or find out within minutes, you should *not* be in touch with management or marketing.
  • [11:17:48] <LetoThe2nd> BBB_: here, even a link for you: http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/psplash/
  • [11:17:51] <BBB_> LetoThe2nd : Actually, I am trying to build a project using BBB and touch screen for my capstone, I need to make look pretty
  • [11:18:36] <KotH> BBB_: sprinkle glitter over it
  • [11:18:50] <LetoThe2nd> paint it black
  • [11:18:57] <LetoThe2nd> </rollingstones>
  • [11:19:38] <BBB_> LetoThe2nd : Thnx a lot
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  • [11:50:06] <BBB_> LetoThe2nd : Paint it black is a brilliant idea, and I can make my application runs an image for 3 sec, that is great, but how can I paint it black ?????
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  • [11:53:23] <LetoThe2nd> BBB_: buy http://www.amazon.com/Martha-Stewart-32102-2-Ounce-Acrylic/dp/B007C7X862/ref=sr_1_22?ie=UTF8&qid=1398253938&sr=8-22&keywords=wall+paint
  • [11:53:28] <LetoThe2nd> BBB_: apply at will
  • [11:54:16] <LetoThe2nd> KotH: and for you: http://www.amazon.com/Martha-Stewart-32176-2-Ounce-Florentine/dp/B007C7XG7S/ref=pd_sim_ac_3?ie=UTF8&refRID=0M1K2QMJA2M8712AW14N
  • [11:55:32] <KotH> PURRRRFECT!
  • [11:59:07] <BBB_> Thnx both LetoThe2nd and Koth for your help
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  • [12:57:48] <nyt-> morning
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  • [13:33:28] <Lazetastic> Has anyone had problems with the Beaglebone Black not starting up after issuing a 'sudo reboot'(i was using SSH)? I'm running my bone as a server using RCN's debian wheezy(3.8.13-bone32). The bone is powered through USB with 1A. Ethernet and a USB flash drive is connected.
  • [13:34:43] <Lazetastic> Only happens once in a while. Turning the power off and on makes it start.
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  • [13:35:46] <Dan1> Lazetastic: yea mine is doing the same thing, but 99% of the time
  • [13:36:14] <Dan1> have to manually power cycle it to get it back almost every time
  • [13:36:17] <Dan1> no idea why tho
  • [13:36:23] <Lazetastic> :/
  • [13:36:25] <nyt-> its fixed in the later debian dists
  • [13:36:26] <nyt-> upgrade
  • [13:36:41] <nyt-> according to bug tracker
  • [13:36:46] <Dan1> nyt-: you mean ones a week ago?
  • [13:36:52] <Lazetastic> sounds promising..
  • [13:37:00] <nyt-> yes
  • [13:37:05] <Dan1> ahhh nice
  • [13:37:27] <Dan1> ive not updated mine in about a week, brb tryin it
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  • [14:19:21] <sylence> hi! Is it somehow possible to modify uEnv.txt in a way that the board boots from the eMMC when it was running from a SD card before and vice-versa?
  • [14:20:20] <sylence> The idea is to have a small system on the eMMC that automatically downloads a new image for the SD card, flashes it and reboots back into the SD card. All that without human interaction
  • [14:21:07] <sylence> I don't have a cable to access the serial console right now, so I can't test stuff on the uBoot command line :/
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  • [14:31:36] <karthik> can any one please explain me the function of spi modes of beaglebonebalck
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  • [14:41:56] <Dan1> nyt-: nope, mine still refuses to reboot from cli
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  • [16:07:31] <JarrettV> so i heard they are upping the onboard flash... any confirmations?
  • [16:08:34] <MLM> JarrettV: yes they are making a 4gb version. Heard it on Adafruit: Ask an Engineer show
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  • [16:09:19] <JarrettV> thats awesome, 2gb was really pushing it unless you went for a tiny distro
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  • [16:30:34] <rwp> JarrettV, Yes. See this: http://www.elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack#Revision_C_.28Pending.29
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  • [17:43:30] <mastiff> expanding the emmc partitions onto an SD works great, so the 2gb to 4gb isn't all that significant
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  • [17:50:15] <rwp> As I understand it the real reason was that the 2G part was no longer available in quantity and so they had to move to the 4G flash just as a practical matter of manufacturing.
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  • [17:52:41] <jgay> Hi, I was wondering if anybody could tell me if the beaglebone black has any low-level proprietary requirements (like proprietary firmware blobs loaded by the kernel or proprietary microcode installed with/by the bootloader).
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  • [17:54:55] <jgay> I will ask in #beagle
  • [17:55:16] <jgay> Hi, I was wondering if anybody could tell me if the beaglebone black has any low-level proprietary requirements (like proprietary firmware blobs loaded by the kernel or proprietary microcode installed with/by the bootloader).
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  • [17:56:11] <jkridner> jgay: no. the bootloader is closed source (open documentation), but no closed blobs are required.
  • [17:56:19] <jkridner> that is, the ROM'd bootloader.
  • [17:56:27] <jkridner> the device boots from mainline u-boot.
  • [17:56:38] <thurgood> that's prior to MLO though, correct?
  • [17:56:48] <jkridner> with no closed source blobs required to boot.
  • [17:57:01] <jkridner> thurgood: yes, the ROM is ahead of MLO/SPL...
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  • [17:57:09] <jkridner> MLO/SPL is now part of the u-boot mainline.
  • [17:57:25] <jkridner> thurgood: no x-loader is required anymore thanks to u-boot SPL.
  • [17:58:15] * thurgood is still on a xM-based board with 3.2 kernel ~.~
  • [17:58:16] <jkridner> jgay: so, there are no low-level proprietary requirements.
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  • [17:58:39] <jgay> jkridner, but what do you mean when you say "the bootloader is closed source"
  • [17:59:16] <thurgood> the firmware that resides on the chip itself to bring it up
  • [17:59:51] <jkridner> thurgood: true, but that ships with the device and is documented.
  • [17:59:57] * jkridner wishes the source for it was open.
  • [18:00:23] <jkridner> thurgood: and, it isn't required after boot and doesn't leave any running microcode around.
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  • [18:01:17] <jgay> jkridner, oh, neat, that is good news
  • [18:02:04] <jgay> jkridner, I'm asking because I am in charge of a certification program that the free software foundation runs and I am interested in seeing if it can be certified
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  • [18:03:54] <jgay> jkridner, it seems like it can meet all of our criteria http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/endorsement/criteria ... do you have a recommendation on who I might contact at the beagleboard.org foundation?
  • [18:04:10] <jkridner> jgay: I'm on the board of the foundation.
  • [18:04:20] <jkridner> the board is me, gerald and clint right now...
  • [18:04:45] <jkridner> still trying to make the by-laws more established/open.
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  • [18:06:01] <jgay> jkridner, cool. I know how that can go ... governance type issues is always hardest when your mission is doing well :-)
  • [18:06:09] <jkridner> jgay: there is an SGX chunk of hardware that we don't have documentation for, but beagleboard.org just avoids shipping any firmware for it as of now.
  • [18:06:32] <jgay> jkridner, that is probably OK with us in terms of certification requirements.
  • [18:06:40] <jkridner> jgay: yeah, I know the FSF must have a lot of sympathy for that, which is why I bring it up. :-)
  • [18:06:42] <jgay> jkridner, do you think you all would be interested in discussing certification further?
  • [18:07:09] <jkridner> I would. I care a lot about free as in freedom.
  • [18:09:27] <jgay> jkridner, great.
  • [18:09:28] <jkridner> jgay: we ship with a wide variety of licenses, some viral and some not.
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  • [18:09:40] <jkridner> do you know much about certifying a Debian system?
  • [18:09:51] <jkridner> we rely on much of the Debian upstream packages.
  • [18:10:07] <jkridner> we used to rebuild Angstrom from scratch, but we don't do that with Debian.
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  • [18:10:33] <jgay> jkridner, yeah, I'm very familiar with Debian
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  • [18:11:02] <prpplague> jgay: probably would like to get the minnowmax certified as well
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  • [18:12:53] <jkridner> jgay: regarding the bounty, how much money are we talking about?
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  • [18:13:15] <jgay> jkridner, it needn't be money
  • [18:13:24] <jgay> jkridner, we offer GNU Bucks
  • [18:13:55] * jkridner hopes that FSF can help people understand why Beagle is so much more open than Pi
  • [18:14:09] <jgay> http://www.gnu.org/help/gnu-bucks.html
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  • [18:17:00] <jgay> jkridner, haha, yes, we understand the difference between what you are doing -- and we respect people and orgs who are willing to be uncompromising in order to help push the envelope for end-users and maker/DIY community so they can end-up with more control
  • [18:17:53] <jkridner> k. let me know next steps. my contact info is on http://beagleboard.org/about
  • [18:20:59] <jgay> jkridner, so, there is a couple of things we'd probably need to work out
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  • [18:21:34] <jgay> jkridner, I imagine with the beaglebone black you'll want to be able to recommend a wider variety of OS, for instance, than what our certification mark allows
  • [18:22:18] <jkridner> jgay: are you saying we wouldn't even be able to RECOMMEND other non-free software, even if we only ship with free software?
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  • [18:22:30] <jkridner> jgay: is there a way to annotate non-free software?
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  • [18:23:10] <jkridner> it isn't that we want to endorse non-free software, but it does add value to users to know about non-free software that will operate.
  • [18:23:16] <jgay> jkridner, so, first let me say that I think these are marketing issues hat we can work out together
  • [18:23:34] <jkridner> jgay: k, more about positioning non-free software?
  • [18:24:07] <jgay> jkridner, right ... and part of this has to do with the bigger purpose of the the RYF certification mark we are trying to put out there
  • [18:24:18] <jgay> jkridner, your market is going to be pretty savvy most likely
  • [18:24:47] <jkridner> jgay: many "makers" are still new to open source.
  • [18:25:10] <jkridner> jgay: but I think FSF and BeagleBoard.org have similar goals in educating them on what open source is and why it is important.
  • [18:25:30] * jkridner hopes FSF guy forgives use of OSS term vs. free software term. ;-)
  • [18:25:52] <jgay> jkridner, no worries, those are different discussions for a different day :-)
  • [18:25:59] <jgay> (language I mean)
  • [18:26:09] <jgay> but, recommending non-free software is tricky
  • [18:26:18] <myself> Well I won't buy it unless it's certified to work with iPhone(tm). Hmmmph.
  • [18:26:23] * myself scuttles back under his bridge
  • [18:26:27] <jgay> you can imagine where in other situations that would make the RYF certification mark kind of meaningless, right?
  • [18:26:34] * jkridner pokes myself
  • [18:27:20] <myself> ow!
  • [18:27:51] <jkridner> I'm probably open to some specific suggestions for editing http://beagleboard.org to not "recommend" non-free software, but would want to keep "inform of" non-free software... as in, put in any disclaimers that would insure user would understand what they are giving up by choosing a non-free option.
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  • [18:28:13] <jgay> jkridner, right, I understand what you are saying
  • [18:28:14] * jkridner wonders if we have the non-free feed in our feed list.
  • [18:28:22] <jgay> jkridner, there are also other options, too
  • [18:28:27] <myself> I've spent my morning on internal political administrivia, legal wranglings, and personal foibles. I'm in serious "shut up and hack" mode right now, I want to put down the governmental regulations and pick up a soldering iron *so bad*.
  • [18:28:38] <jkridner> doing things like commenting out the non-free feed are certainly welcome.
  • [18:29:05] <jkridner> myself: you have my permission. ;-)
  • [18:30:16] <jgay> jkridner, for example -- and I'm just throwing this out there in a brainstorm fashion -- but you could imagine a situation where you sell the same device under a different label ... like "beaglebone black libre" ... but that only recommends the use of 100% free software
  • [18:30:43] <prpplague> jgay: that isn't going to happen
  • [18:32:17] <jkridner> jgay: prpplague currently works for the contract assembly house that manufactures the official BeagleBone Black.
  • [18:32:53] * jkridner isn't so sure about the blanket statement, but also isn't so sure it is that good of an approach.
  • [18:33:07] <jgay> jkridner, anyhow, my suggestion above was simply that there are multiple paths that could be taken ... finding ways of working with the current materials you have or creating a paralell label, etc
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  • [18:33:22] <jkridner> jgay: what's wrong with simply having a different designation on non-free material?
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  • [18:33:56] <jgay> jkridner, I'm not sure I know what you mean
  • [18:34:27] <jkridner> jgay: what would we need to change on the BeagleBone Black itself?
  • [18:34:53] <jkridner> jgay: I'm don't know specifics on what is incompatible with the current product/project/design/site/etc.
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  • [18:35:09] <jkridner> s/I'm/I/
  • [18:36:47] <jgay> jkridner, like I said earlier, I was just sharing possible roadblocks ahead
  • [18:37:18] <VoltVisionSteve> how about "Recommending" OSS, but stating "compatibility with" non-free?
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  • [18:37:35] <jkridner> jgay: well, the sooner we hit them the sooner we know about and can remove them. :-)
  • [18:37:47] <jgay> jkridner, but, for example, "Android on Beagle" might not work for us
  • [18:38:10] <jgay> or Ubuntu, since, we more or less have a boycott on Ubuntu
  • [18:38:29] <jkridner> jgay: in what way... saying they exist or "recommending" them?
  • [18:39:09] <jgay> jkridner, factual statements about ports existing are probably OK. It's about what is recommended
  • [18:39:55] <jgay> jkridner, ultimately what we want the RYF certification mark to mean to an end-user is a simple way for them to buy some hardware and follow the advice/instructions of the seller on choosing software for it or running the software provided by the seller
  • [18:39:57] <jkridner> k. I think we can "demote" some questionable "promotions" of non-free offerings in most places.
  • [18:40:10] <jkridner> I don't see an issue removing them from the home page, for example.
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  • [18:41:00] <jkridner> If Angstrom and Debian are RFY friendly, I don't see much of an issue with that.
  • [18:41:22] <jkridner> If someone writes a book, we don't have control over that, for example.
  • [18:41:50] <jkridner> but, we do control the beagleboard.org content to a great extent and I don't mind removing Android, WinCE, Ubuntu, etc. from the home page.
  • [18:42:04] <jkridner> I'd still expect them to be acceptable to register on http://beagleboard.org/project
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  • [18:42:43] <ogra_> wow, thats gross
  • [18:42:55] <ogra_> whats the reason for that anti ubuntu attitude ?
  • [18:43:04] <jgay> jkridner, right, I understand the balance you are trying to strike. I think it's great that it supports so many distros
  • [18:43:47] <jkridner> policing if non-free status is fine as long as we can have an acceptable remedy when we "mess up".
  • [18:43:57] <jgay> ogra_, you can read more about it here, https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/ubuntu-spyware.html
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  • [18:44:26] <ogra_> jgay, and how does that make ubuntu "non-free" if you install a system that is identical with a debian install ?
  • [18:44:43] <jkridner> hmmm.... anyone having difficulty getting to http://beagleboard.org?
  • [18:44:45] <ogra_> to my knowledge there arent and wont be any ubuntu desktop images for the BBB
  • [18:44:49] <jkridner> must have been something odd with my DNS.
  • [18:45:04] <jgay> jkridner, works for me
  • [18:45:21] <ogra_> unbelivable
  • [18:45:25] <VoltVisionSteve> jkridner, works for me too.
  • [18:47:02] <jkridner> ogra_: I don't think an FSF endorsement would matter much to Ubuntu.
  • [18:47:14] <ogra_> jgay, you are aware how much ubuntu and canonical have done for arm porting ? that they were the founders of linaro and have been pushing ahrd for standardization on arm ?
  • [18:47:47] <alexanderhiam> ogra_: that doesn't really warrent an exception to the fsf standards...
  • [18:47:58] <alexanderhiam> *warrant
  • [18:48:04] <ogra_> alexanderhiam, what are the fsf standards ?
  • [18:48:23] <ogra_> ubuntu offers free software ... pretty much the same selection on the BBB that debian does
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  • [18:48:41] <ds2> does distros really matter?
  • [18:48:45] <ogra_> there is no way to run an ubuntu desktop on a BBB
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  • [18:48:51] <ds2> they are all just userland stirred differently
  • [18:49:33] <ogra_> so that "spyware" nonsense is moot ... and i dont see how there are any different licenses in ubuntu than there are in debian if you i.e. install an xfce or lxde desktop install
  • [18:50:23] <ogra_> political shit, seriously ... if you care about free/non-free how can you treat an ubuntu install any different on the BBB from a debian one
  • [18:51:19] <jgay> ogra_, I'm with you and what you are saying is what matters -- that you know the subtleties of the situation and can see past the branding and the marketing of the trademark term Ubuntu means you are probably not the part of the public we are worried about reaching
  • [18:51:50] <jgay> just as ds2 says, "does distros really matter". And, in reality, no it doesn't matter.
  • [18:53:00] <jgay> we, the FSF, doesn't endorse/promote Debian, because debian hosts and promotes the use of nonfree and contrib areas ... that being said, it doesn't mean we don't try to find ways to support Debian and to promote the good things they do
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  • [18:54:16] <ogra_> well, you have to promote something as the default for the BBB ...
  • [18:54:24] <jgay> but, at the same time, I run Debian
  • [18:54:56] <jgay> and there is no conflict there ... I'm not trying to promote it ... but, I know it suffices if I just use the main area that I"ll ahve a 100% free system
  • [18:54:57] <ogra_> (assuming you want the recommendation to be any helpful)
  • [18:55:15] <jgay> ogra_, right, and that is the point ... you want to promote a marketable/meaningful name brand, right?
  • [18:55:59] <ogra_> i dont want to promote anything ... i'm just surprised that you make any difference between a debian or an ubuntu package even though its the same content ...
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  • [18:56:30] <jgay> ogra_, that isn't the level where I am drawing a distinction
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  • [18:57:11] <jgay> ogra_, I am drawing a distinction at the level of the principles behind a project and the way a project chooses to identify itself is how I refer to the project
  • [18:57:27] <ogra_> you do ... the install process for both is identical (BBB installs have to use debian-installer) , they will install the same set of packages for the selected tasks etc etc
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  • [18:58:11] <corrosion> Did you all see the new cape http://elinux.org/SMN:SoundsCape
  • [18:58:13] <jgay> ogra_, you have more or less derailed a rather useful discussion so I am going to put it aside for now, ok? :-)
  • [18:58:25] <ogra_> sure
  • [18:58:59] * ogra_ hopes we'll meet in person one day and can discuss this over a beer ... sorry for interrupting
  • [18:59:06] <jgay> the discussion I would like to have is one in which the Free Software Foundation can help endorse the Beaglebone Black and the awesome things it is trying to do and to promote its choice in values
  • [18:59:19] <alexanderhiam> there could arise some issues with cape specific software licensing
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  • [19:00:40] <alexanderhiam> I suppose someone would have to make sure there was no proprietary sw required by a cape before beagleboard.org could endorse it
  • [19:00:44] <jgay> one way we can do this is by awarding the use of a certification mark ... a certification mark is a mark, which can be certified like a trademark or service mark
  • [19:00:58] <jgay> err not certified, I mean, registered like a trademark
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  • [19:02:27] <jgay> jkridner, so, the bottom line is, it seems likely that the Beaglebone Black meets most of our criteria for certification. How factual statements about what distros support the hardware or what books are written about it are organized on the site to meet the marketing criteria is somethign I'm confident we can work out
  • [19:03:29] <ds2> jgay: this is the stuff you are talking about, right: https://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/endorsement/respects-your-freedom?
  • [19:03:49] <jgay> ds2, yes
  • [19:04:49] <jgay> jkridner, I think the next steps are to do certification on the device itself and any software that ships with it. What do you think?
  • [19:13:03] <jkridner> jgay: sounds good!
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  • [19:17:59] <jgay> jkridner, ok, so, how about I send you an email with our mailing address and recapping what the next steps are?
  • [19:18:11] <jkridner> jgay: sounds good
  • [19:18:16] <jgay> jkridner, feel free to message me here or PM me with one or more email addresses you'd like me to email
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  • [19:33:28] <nyt-> hi
  • [19:33:39] <rapter> hello
  • [19:34:09] <rapter> I am new to beagleboard..i dnt know how to start
  • [19:34:20] <rapter> anyone there??
  • [19:34:29] <myself> have you searched google for examples of the sort of thing you want to do?
  • [19:34:45] <rapter> yes doing now
  • [19:35:12] <rapter> i have done some arduino projects till now..is it similar?
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  • [19:44:59] <jkridner> jgay: just start with the one at http://beagleboard.org/about
  • [19:45:16] <jgay> jkridner, ok great, thanks.
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  • [19:48:31] <rocky|quadcopter> nope.
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  • [21:42:26] <ragnar76> hi all
  • [21:42:45] <ragnar76> how do you guys connect to serial when using a cape?
  • [21:44:58] <pdp7> ragnar76: https://www.tindie.com/products/spirilis/beaglebone-black-ftdi-friction-fit/
  • [21:45:04] <pdp7> ragnar76: i found that to be handy
  • [21:45:15] <pdp7> ragnar76: I assume you mean on the BBB
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  • [21:46:03] <pdp7> ragnar76: alternatively, logic supply sells adapter for FTDI cable: http://www.logicsupply.com/phra-6p/
  • [21:48:05] <ragnar76> pdp7: i already have a ftdi and $4 is a lot of money for that adapter
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  • [21:51:14] <pdp7> ragnar76: yeah, ragnar76 its a bit of a bummer... some capes now have slots in them though i'm guessing yours doesn't
  • [21:52:01] <pdp7> ragnar76: when i first got BBB and needed FTDI and LCD cape, I could manage to attach LCD cape over the ftdi cable as long as i don't push down all the way
  • [21:52:17] <pdp7> it was enough for the pins to make contact with the socket
  • [21:52:42] <pdp7> and the cape worked... for the time I need to see the FTDI output, not a permanent solution
  • [21:53:12] <ragnar76> hm
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  • [21:53:33] <ragnar76> maybe i will find something in my box to solder an adapter
  • [21:54:23] * dsmith-work "Grrrr"s at not being able to just use a plain old serial port.
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  • [21:59:38] <ragnar76> dsmith-work: whats wrong?
  • [22:00:13] <ragnar76> pdp7: fond an ic socket which fits and is bendable
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  • [22:04:03] <ragnar76> but i have to cute the original pins a bit
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  • [22:08:33] <dsmith-work> ragnar76: Oh, not much really, just grumbling. I need to get a serial-usb converter instead of just plugging it into a serial port.
  • [22:08:53] <dsmith-work> As in a wires-only cable I can make myself.
  • [22:09:04] <ragnar76> dsmith-work: ah, ok
  • [22:09:25] <dsmith-work> Probably need to use a max-232 or something if I wanted to do that.
  • [22:09:38] <dsmith-work> Yeah, I have real serial ports.
  • [22:10:49] <ragnar76> dsmith-work: you are not alone
  • [22:11:20] <ragnar76> beside my 20 atari computers, my thinkpad (ok, to be honest the ultrabay) has one too
  • [22:13:25] <dsmith-work> I've got this cool rocketport thing. 8 serial. 230K baud.
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  • [22:28:37] <ragnar76> dsmith-work: i've had a look at it. nice and 70 euro (about $100) is not that much
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  • [22:36:33] <ragnar76> yeah \o/
  • [22:36:43] <ragnar76> temp, wind, rain all over i2c
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  • [22:54:21] <dsmith-work> ragnar76: Nice.
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  • [23:18:23] <ragnar76> now the software part using lighthttp/php
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