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  • [17:27:01] * Topic is 'http://beagleboard.org/chat has a guide on how to ask questions and links to the logs | never ask to ask, just ask | be patient | pastebin a boot log | http://ahsoftware.de/Beaglebone_Black_Boot_explained.svg | BBB is being sold faster than produced. Order one and wait. There is no other way.'
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  • [19:31:51] <thurgood_> too bad for him, I've done the interfacing with an egalax, and the default kernel driver.. I could have helped, if he'd been a little more patient
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  • [21:26:50] <_vricklund_> Seems I'm experiencing some lag Did anyone get my question?
  • [21:28:07] <_vricklund_> I flashed the latest dian image (http://beagleboard.org/latest-images). Only I cant ssh to 192.168.7.2. No nothing.
  • [21:29:44] <_vricklund_> No differece if I connect using ethernet cable or usb. The usb drivers are installed.
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  • [21:45:36] <_vrick_> Is it the webbased client or is it always this shaky?
  • [21:45:45] <agmlego> Web clients suck.
  • [21:46:04] <_vrick_> Beggars can't be choosers
  • [21:46:06] <_vrick_> :)
  • [21:47:12] <_vrick_> So... what am I missing?
  • [21:47:47] <_vrick_> I must say this has been a frustrating experience so far.
  • [21:48:28] <agmlego> I recommend not using a web-based client; that removes a lot of the frustration.
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  • [21:48:37] <_vrick_> Heh.
  • [21:48:46] <_vrick_> I was talking about flashing debian on my bbb. :)
  • [21:49:37] <agmlego> Especially since a goodly part of asking for help on a quiet IRC channel involves patiently waiting for someone with the time, knowledge, and interest to help you. ;-P
  • [21:49:50] <agmlego> ANd that waiting is hard to do on a web-based client.
  • [21:50:07] <_vrick_> Hmm. Yes. One could do that,
  • [21:51:21] <_vrick_> IRC was great when I went to uni and could spend half my aking time in a channel. I??m in a different situation now unfortunately.
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  • [21:55:23] <agmlego> Then I suggest using the Google Group, or Google itself and the various wikis and manuals. ;-P
  • [21:55:38] <BobCat> av500, are you there?
  • [21:56:15] <BobCat> _av500_, av500, are you there?
  • [21:57:06] <_vrick_> Google was no help unfortunately or I wouldn't be here.
  • [21:57:18] <agmlego> Did you try the mailing list?
  • [21:57:35] <_vrick_> The only "default" IP is 192.168.7.2, and I can??t connect to that address.
  • [21:57:44] <_vrick_> I guesss I have little choive.
  • [21:58:15] <_av500_> BobCat: I am
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  • [21:58:46] <BobCat> I would like to request you stop being rude to newcomers to the channel
  • [21:59:12] <BobCat> <av500> also, questions that start with "has anybody ..." are not very usefull
  • [21:59:12] <BobCat> <av500> its like entering a party and shouting "hey, does anybody know Fred?"
  • [21:59:42] <BobCat> As imple "Just ask the question, please" would suffice
  • [22:00:11] <BobCat> as it is, you chased away someone who would have been a contributor to the community
  • [22:00:25] <_av500_> no
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  • [22:00:33] <BobCat> I know you are tired of bad questions
  • [22:00:41] <BobCat> Suck it up, life is hard
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  • [22:01:04] <BobCat> Don't be rude to noobs
  • [22:01:08] <thurgood> seeing as av500 correctly answers possibly 1/3 of the actual questions that are asked in here, I'm happy that he responds at all
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  • [22:01:18] <_av500_> I chased away somebody who ended up arguing
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  • [22:01:25] <_av500_> instead of asking his question
  • [22:01:29] <BobCat> you started it - that is my point
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  • [22:02:18] <BobCat> If you can't see you started the argument, there's no hope for you. You were TECHNICALLY right, but SOCIALLY wrong.
  • [22:02:44] <BobCat> Do you think every noob automatically knows how to ask for help?
  • [22:02:50] <_av500_> no
  • [22:02:58] <_av500_> thats why I made the remark
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  • [22:03:08] <BobCat> That is not how you get results
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  • [22:03:46] <BobCat> Did you get him to actually ask the question?
  • [22:04:28] <_vrick_> To get back to MY problem. :)The BBB decided 192.168.7.105 was a good IP-number to chose. Now I'm logged in. :)
  • [22:04:35] <BobCat> <kristina> Hi, sorry for offtopic but is there anyone with an OMAP5 board willing to help me out here?
  • [22:04:36] <BobCat> <BobCat> I don't have an omap5 but ask anyway
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  • [22:04:49] <BobCat> see how it's done?
  • [22:05:04] <BobCat> and guess what -0 she got an answer the next day
  • [22:05:29] <BobCat> and thus I learned OMAP5 has been abandoned
  • [22:06:57] <BobCat> and kristina, who knows her stuff, will be happy to hang out here with the cool kids
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  • [22:07:43] <BobCat> OR, we could have said "beagle is not OMAP gtfo!"
  • [22:08:25] <_av500_> I asked him to reword his question, not to gtfo
  • [22:08:49] <BobCat> no you did not
  • [22:09:17] <BobCat> <av500> also, questions that start with "has anybody ..." are not very usefull
  • [22:09:57] <BobCat> Let me tell you a story, if I may.
  • [22:10:07] <_av500_> sure
  • [22:10:11] <BobCat> I had a problem with my bicycle pedal
  • [22:10:33] <BobCat> it rattled when it when around
  • [22:10:37] <_vrick_> Oh, this is going to be good...
  • [22:10:41] * _vrick_ get s the popcorn
  • [22:11:20] <BobCat> I looked at it and could not find out why, the rubber blocks seemed on tight, and there was no obvious way to tighten them
  • [22:11:33] <BobCat> it's a 1974 Raleigh, btw
  • [22:12:17] <BobCat> so I asked on reddit "Does anyone know how to take this apart and adjust it?"
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  • [22:12:29] <BobCat> I didn't ask what might be wrong.
  • [22:12:36] <ds2> *yawn*
  • [22:12:39] <BobCat> I knew what was wrong.
  • [22:12:48] <kristina> Who are you talking about?
  • [22:12:58] <BobCat> Now, would you criticize such a question here?
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  • [22:13:32] <BobCat> kristina, you asked a question that would normally get you flamed
  • [22:13:52] <_av500_> bulshit
  • [22:13:54] <_av500_> +l
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  • [22:13:55] <_vrick_> Nice to see you're not all zombies but I've got to hit the sack. Thanks all for moral support if nothing else.
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  • [22:14:20] <BobCat> anyway, bike - I got a lot of "what's wrong?", where what I needed was SOMEONE WITH EXPERIENCE
  • [22:14:33] <BobCat> I also got a lot of ignorant guesses
  • [22:15:13] <BobCat> _av500_, if you had seen her question you would have flamed her
  • [22:15:21] <_av500_> oh well
  • [22:15:43] <_av500_> since you know what I would have done, I give up
  • [22:15:52] <BobCat> I know how helpful you are here, but STOP flaming noobs
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  • [22:16:17] <_av500_> well, you have a different definition of flaming
  • [22:16:28] <BobCat> Good, your new policy will be very welcoming to noobs!
  • [22:17:02] <BobCat> a flame is saying something that upsets people needlessly
  • [22:17:58] <kristina> Guys.
  • [22:18:12] <kristina> No need to be so mean.
  • [22:18:15] <kristina> To each other.
  • [22:18:31] <_av500_> I'm nottrying to be mean at all
  • [22:18:33] <BobCat> I'm not being mean, I am being direct.
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  • [22:18:47] <BobCat> I know av500 is not trying to be mean either
  • [22:18:53] <kristina> That's good!
  • [22:19:01] <BobCat> he just is not good at being extra nice
  • [22:19:08] <kristina> I wish people would get on better.
  • [22:19:15] <BobCat> which is required to build community
  • [22:19:20] <hinachan> I wish humanity wasn't so stupid.
  • [22:19:29] <kristina> On so many different levels.
  • [22:19:54] <_av500_> BobCat: let's say, I was direct to that user too
  • [22:20:49] <BobCat> no, direct is "ask the question please"
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  • [22:23:27] <BobCat> And again, per my story, people ask questions in ways they think will get them help
  • [22:23:39] <BobCat> and to weed out useless responses
  • [22:24:21] <BobCat> someone who never took apart that bike pedal had nothing useful to say
  • [22:25:31] <kristina> This channel made me sad yesterday.
  • [22:27:07] <BobCat> because OMP5 is deprecated?
  • [22:27:13] <BobCat> omap
  • [22:28:13] <kristina> Not because of that.
  • [22:29:03] <kristina> Actually, nevermind, it doesn't matter anyway.
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  • [22:37:27] <Vaizki> are there any noobs left for me then?
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  • [23:22:05] <k-man> i want to drive 4x7 segment displays, + a few extra LEDs for status etc, with a PWM so i have good control over the brightness. I've been experimenting with the Adafruit TLC5947 pwm chips but i'm not having much success getting the spi bus to talk properly to the chips (they are a sort of dumbed down SPI)
  • [23:22:12] <k-man> any ideas how I might approach this?
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  • [23:24:20] <agmlego> Bitbang it.
  • [23:24:44] <k-man> yeah that was another thought I had
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  • [23:25:25] <k-man> it feels kind of a shame to bitbang it - but i guess if I can't get the spi going properly, theres not much i can do
  • [23:25:50] <agmlego> So what have you tried already?
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  • [23:27:24] <k-man> opening the /dev/spi device and writing bytes to it. it does _something_ as viewed from my cheap salaea clone, but the clocking looks very odd. I suspect the saleae clone might not be fast enough and is missing transition changes perhaps....
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  • [23:28:01] <k-man> http://monosnap.com/image/6vUkrfnwhfGa7fKRA6t4CJW6kDXLhy that was a scan taken when I was writing one byte only to the spi device
  • [23:28:25] <k-man> i believe the clock should be active on the rising edge
  • [23:28:29] <k-man> looks very odd t ome
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  • [23:28:43] <agmlego> THat clock is wrong.
  • [23:28:51] <k-man> agreed
  • [23:29:14] <agmlego> What bitrate are you using for the bus?
  • [23:29:17] <k-man> it should have 8 rising edges - thats why i suspec the logic analyser is at fault
  • [23:29:35] <k-man> err... whatever linux uses by default
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  • [23:30:00] <k-man> i thought I'd try at first without any ioctl calls as its all new to me
  • [23:30:18] <agmlego> "linux" does not do anything SPI by default. ;-P
  • [23:30:36] <agmlego> YOur distribution, however, might have a default.
  • [23:30:43] <k-man> agmlego, well, i loaded the spidev driver
  • [23:31:12] <k-man> oh ok - it's debian. i don't know what it does by default or how I might find out
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  • [23:32:28] <agmlego> Google "debian beaglebone {white|black} spi default bitrate" maybe?
  • [23:33:38] <k-man> maybe the dts file sets it?
  • [23:34:09] <k-man> spi-max-frequency = <24000000>;
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  • [23:34:30] <k-man> well, there you go, if its 24MHz, that matches exactly with the logic analyzer
  • [23:34:39] <k-man> hmm.. maybe I need to drop the frequency
  • [23:35:15] <agmlego> Yup.
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  • [23:35:21] <agmlego> Nyquist, remember?
  • [23:35:42] <k-man> yep
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  • [23:36:50] <agmlego> Or, you know, get a faster analyser. ;-P
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  • [23:36:55] <k-man> yep
  • [23:37:03] <k-man> i'll see if I can get one tonight
  • [23:37:08] <k-man> get access to one
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  • [23:37:21] <agmlego> Heh.
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  • [23:39:20] <mjgardes> you can't just wander into the corner store and come out with a 100MHz logic analyzer?
  • [23:40:07] <JFK911> you can in my town
  • [23:40:08] <agmlego> Almost.
  • [23:40:23] <JFK911> but not one good for serial analysis
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