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  • [16:29:59] * Set by KotH!~attila@lou-outside.kinali.ch on Tue Oct 29 07:13:11 CDT 2013
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  • [16:31:46] <Luca__> I need to build SGX driver for my beaglebone black. All guide I found says to first build the kernel. Why should I build it? is it impossible to use the kernel I already have in my board?
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  • [16:34:00] <woglinde> Luca__ which kernel version?
  • [16:34:08] <woglinde> last working stuff is kernel 3.2
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  • [16:34:29] <woglinde> and for black hm I do not know if there was ever some working stuff
  • [16:34:47] <Luca__> I have in my board the 3.8.13
  • [16:35:09] <woglinde> forget sgx
  • [16:35:24] <Luca__> Why?
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  • [16:35:43] <thurgood> or use android
  • [16:35:43] <woglinde> http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack -> known issues
  • [16:35:58] <mistawright> Am I able to use the emmc and sd card at the same time? could I install archlinux on the emmc and have it use the sd card as storage?
  • [16:35:58] <thurgood> sgx hasn't worked since 3.2
  • [16:36:11] <hitlin37> you can build a sgx driver? i though it was a blob.
  • [16:36:21] <woglinde> hitlin37 maybee he means kernel driver
  • [16:36:33] <thurgood> the bbb generally doesn't work with kernels that old
  • [16:36:33] <woglinde> but its useless without userspace
  • [16:37:45] <Luca__> so this guide: http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/Graphics_SDK_Quick_installation_and_user_guide
  • [16:37:50] <Luca__> is useless...?
  • [16:38:19] <woglinde> yes
  • [16:38:23] <Luca__> wow
  • [16:39:14] <woglinde> bbb is toy device for ti management so no real support from them
  • [16:39:33] <Luca__> This way I can't use opengl in my Qt applications.
  • [16:40:01] <Luca__> Am I right?
  • [16:40:20] <thurgood> sgx is roughly opengl
  • [16:41:54] <Luca__> That's a big problem...
  • [16:42:00] <woglinde> Luca__ right besides sgx only provides egl
  • [16:42:08] <woglinde> better aksing before
  • [16:42:12] <woglinde> asking
  • [16:42:31] <woglinde> and bbb was not really made for graphical stuff
  • [16:43:07] <woglinde> get another board which has better egl support
  • [16:43:22] <woglinde> or wait if the sgx case is solved once
  • [16:43:28] <woglinde> in the far future
  • [16:44:16] <Luca__> woglinde, can you suggest some supported board
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  • [16:45:34] <tbr> Luca__: depends entirely on your use case
  • [16:45:59] <Luca__> Yes, you are right.
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  • [16:46:25] <Luca__> But the BBB price is interesting.
  • [16:47:01] <woglinde> luca yes
  • [16:47:06] <tbr> you can always try with 3.2 kernel...
  • [16:47:14] <woglinde> tbr o.O
  • [16:47:20] <thurgood> ... android :P
  • [16:47:25] <woglinde> there is no 3.2 kernel for bbb
  • [16:47:33] <tbr> I thought there was?
  • [16:47:40] <woglinde> luca beagle xm maybe
  • [16:47:43] <thurgood> they're using some bested up 3.2 kernel on the bbb
  • [16:47:49] <myself> heh, the guys at work have started to think of me as the beaglebone guy
  • [16:47:51] <thurgood> beasted
  • [16:47:51] <myself> oy
  • [16:48:14] <jkridner> myself: :-)
  • [16:48:17] <tbr> woglinde: it's an evil TI-frankenkernel, so it's unmentionable
  • [16:48:23] <woglinde> gm jkridner
  • [16:48:29] <jkridner> hi woglinde
  • [16:48:45] <woglinde> jkridner people want sgx
  • [16:49:20] <myself> I think I've got another one coming to the michigan meetup this month
  • [16:49:23] <jkridner> woglinde: the patch to make the "community" bb-white kernel run on Black is triival and I think might even be applied now on http://github.com/beagleboard.
  • [16:49:24] * tbr can imagine some TI middle management: LOL who?
  • [16:49:34] <woglinde> hm mali got reversed andreno too nobboy wants to reverse sgx
  • [16:49:56] <tbr> woglinde: rob can't he worked on it :)
  • [16:50:15] <tbr> guess why he did the other stuff
  • [16:50:15] <woglinde> tbr ah yes there was some tries
  • [16:50:51] <jkridner> woglinde: nope... it was on my to-do at one point per prpplague, but guess it slipped my mind.
  • [16:51:08] <woglinde> jkridner uhm what?
  • [16:51:23] <woglinde> reverse engeering the sgx?
  • [16:51:31] * tbr doubts that
  • [16:51:39] <woglinde> tbr *g*
  • [16:51:42] <jkridner> woglinde: just the patch to get the 3.2 "community" version that has SGX and clear patches against mainline to run on Black.
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  • [16:52:00] <jkridner> if you are happy with the SGX support on the BeagleBone "white" 3.2 kernel.
  • [16:52:05] <woglinde> jkridner so a 3.2 driver forward?
  • [16:52:13] <jkridner> anyway, folks have SGX running on 3.13 now.
  • [16:52:19] <woglinde> or 3.8 bbb backport?
  • [16:52:32] <woglinde> which folks?
  • [16:52:44] <jkridner> woglinde: no, just a patch to enable Black support on the http://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/tree/beaglebone-3.2 kernel.
  • [16:53:25] <woglinde> okay
  • [16:53:45] <jkridner> http://www.thing-printer.com/3d-rendering-pvr-sgx-beaglebone/ is 3.12
  • [16:53:46] <woglinde> trying to remember this if the next guy ask about sgx
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  • [16:55:17] <woglinde> hm intressting
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  • [16:55:23] <woglinde> so there is hope
  • [16:55:37] <woglinde> Luca__ so the ti wiki is not useless at all
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  • [16:56:17] <woglinde> hm should I add the link to the elinux wiki
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  • [16:56:20] <woglinde> let me see
  • [16:56:57] <woglinde> hm ah only gerald can edit it
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  • [16:59:16] <jkridner> can you try https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/tree/3.13 and report the status of the SGX to the list?
  • [16:59:49] <jkridner> woglinde: I can edit the page too if you can be explicit how you think it should be added (where, what)
  • [17:00:18] <jkridner> Don't know if you can write to the Talk: page. Hopefully so. That is a good place to make suggestions for content.
  • [17:00:56] <woglinde> hm he did a nice work
  • [17:01:09] <woglinde> but looks like he did the usal git beginner errors
  • [17:01:11] <woglinde> .rc_dri.pvr.swp
  • [17:01:18] <woglinde> checked in
  • [17:01:51] <woglinde> jkridner link to http://wiki.thing-printer.com/index.php?title=SGX_SDK_5_Alpha for trying out
  • [17:02:14] <Luca__> woglinde, I'm investigating your link
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  • [17:02:41] <woglinde> luca thank jkridner for the link
  • [17:03:23] <Luca__> Yes, thanks all
  • [17:03:27] <woglinde> jkridner you mean try the alpha kit with kernel 3.13?
  • [17:04:40] <woglinde> time to go home
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  • [17:05:17] <jkridner> good night woglinde
  • [17:05:39] <woglinde> till later
  • [17:06:04] <Luca__> Night, woglinde
  • [17:08:02] <Luca__> I must go, thaks all
  • [17:08:04] <Luca__> bye
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  • [17:35:56] <mistawright> is there any expectation of when or if there will be a c/c++ compiler for the pru's?
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  • [18:06:35] <Vaizki> mistawright: make one
  • [18:06:44] <Vaizki> otherwise I don't see it happening very soon
  • [18:08:00] <Vaizki> the pru's "point" is to have realtime execution with completely predictable execution times for pru instructions. now if you put a c-compiler in between you don't really know how many instructions you are generating etc
  • [18:08:38] <Vaizki> I wouldn't mind a c-compiler to test out stuff.. but I'm not seeing anyone who could do it have a lot of interest in making it happen
  • [18:08:57] <mistawright> I guess I just see assembly as a daunting undertaking
  • [18:10:00] <Vaizki> I guess most people do because they've never done it
  • [18:11:08] <Vaizki> that said, I have a tingling feeling that the future is to have Cortex-M3/4 cores alongside A8 etc
  • [18:11:37] <Vaizki> and the PRU may or may not remain in some of TIs SoCs..
  • [18:11:47] <Vaizki> but I do not follow the market really or have any inside info
  • [18:12:00] <mistawright> I got the beaglebone black because the pi just seemed useless and I wanted something to help me brush up on my c++. I have stumbled across a few items that use the pru for pwm so that may suffice for me
  • [18:13:05] <Vaizki> the pi is an educational toy, it was designed and priced to be one and they did it
  • [18:13:06] <mistawright> I just really like the fact that I do not need to use arduino's with it as I have a better alternative to them on board. imo
  • [18:13:20] <Vaizki> cheers to them, it's a great achievement but let's not forget where it came from
  • [18:14:07] <mistawright> yeah wish i had gotten a beaglebone black from work for free instead of the pi. but i have both now. at least my 4 year old can use the pi as a computer
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  • [18:14:59] <Vaizki> and if you do need to put a mcu beside the BBB, you can always look at MSP430 or LPC1114fn28 for example
  • [18:16:54] <mistawright> I just need reliable servo control/esc control. The black doesnt have an rtos for it from what I have researched so it would not be good for a quadcopter project. from what i have ascertained anyway
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  • [18:50:06] <johnwalkr> there is reali time linux and the prus can do lots of cool stuff
  • [18:50:27] <johnwalkr> but for quadcopter you???re going to get way more support using arduinio
  • [18:50:40] <johnwalkr> even if it is somewhat redundant to use with BBB
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  • [19:11:57] <ahsanalishahid> mdp: Hi!
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  • [19:22:00] <LLKCKfan> Is there any natural ways to relieve pain without using herbs or weed? No drugs
  • [19:23:06] <prpplague> LLKCKfan: not a topic here
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  • [19:24:52] <Vaizki> I see what you did there
  • [19:25:07] <Vaizki> however that's the first time in history that I've seen it actually work
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  • [21:14:25] <bonsaikuh> hello i use the linaro toolchain and need linux/delay.h and some other libs for a project. how can i add them?
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  • [21:23:49] <hitlin37> bonsaikuh: there's no irc for custom toolchain. You just create one urself
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  • [21:24:28] <sora_> hello everyon
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  • [22:45:37] <veeresh> Hi... is is possible to emulate the image generated by yocto toolchain using qemu?
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  • [23:24:52] <GorgX0> Hi, I am looking for BBBlack to purchase in Poland but it seems to be out of stock in all shops, do you know if there is any new patch planned ?
  • [23:25:48] <_av500_> there are new boards being made every day
  • [23:25:50] <_av500_> in 2 shifts
  • [23:25:50] <_av500_> order and wait
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  • [23:27:12] <GorgX0> _av500_: but where ? i am looking in polish and german shops and the avaiability is none :(
  • [23:28:03] <thurgood> better to get in a queue probably than to keep looking around
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  • [23:29:22] <_av500_> GorgX0: boards sell faster than being made
  • [23:29:28] <_av500_> thus the stock is always 0
  • [23:29:38] <_av500_> yet, people get bosrds
  • [23:29:42] <_av500_> baords
  • [23:29:47] <_av500_> boards too
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  • [23:30:28] <GorgX0> thats cool but if i am to wait 30days+ then i will choose smthng else
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  • [23:31:21] <_av500_> that's unfortunate, but little we can do
  • [23:31:59] <GorgX0> I know, it just me in hurry :>
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